Shaun Newman Podcast - #717 - Chris Carbert

Episode Date: September 26, 2024

Chris is a father and business owner who has spent 950+ days in remand and earlier this month was sentenced to 6.5 years in jail for his part in the Coutts blockade. We discuss his fundraiser to get transcripts of the court hearings, what's in the envelope and being away from his family. Clothing Link:⁠⁠⁠https://snp-8.creator-spring.com/listing/the-mashup-collection⁠⁠ Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone]

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Here we go. You got the mic. Good sir. I'm joined by Chris Carbert. Chris, you got Alberta and others listening to you. Honestly, I had Tony on here once the same way. You just decide where you want to start. I guess it's the first time you've been on this side.

So if you want to tell your story, I'll sit here and listen, and then that's what we'll put out. If there's other things you want to make sure we get to, please just you start. I mean, I guess my story, I mean, we all know it. I was down in Coutes for 16 days. And then, of course, the arrest happened, and ever since then, Tony and I have been in jail.

actually the two of us are together right now which is kind of nice just waiting for our shipment off to the penitentiary so yeah i'm just yeah my story is pretty similar to tony's i guess um just had enough of of covid mandates and i i didn't care if people took the vaccine or if you wanted to take it i just cared about having a choice to take a vaccine and it was coming, getting to a point where we weren't going to have a choice. So I packed up my trailer and me and some friends and our kids went down there and we didn't even know we were going to stay down there where there was zero intention. It was just supposed to be a night at the most, but it ended up being 16 days until we were arrested. That's about it.

You make it sound so almost simple, Chris, you know? Like where I sit, I would say there was a whole bunch of us that thought the same things as you. And yet I haven't been stuck, you know, in remand for 900 plus days. I haven't been sentenced to six and a half years and on and on and on it goes. If you want to mind, you know, I guess, you know, one of the things that I admire about you and Tony is how. I don't know. It seems like you guys are at peace with the situation, you know. It's almost, you know, we see the shocking six and a half years.

We see all the things and lots of people upset trying to, I don't know, get the appropriate people's attention type thing. And when I hear you or Tony talk, I guess I just hear, you know, you come to terms maybe with where you're sitting. Well, I mean, there's not a whole lot of. can do but to be honest with you um I think things happen for a reason and and I think this situation has happened because there needed to be some light to to our system and what's going on and um the corruption that's happening inside of our governments and

everything else that's coming to light with this um so do I want to be here no um I'd rather be at home with my kids, but I'm hoping that this makes it that they, so that they have a better future. I didn't like the direction Canada was going in, so. But, you know, of course, I'm appealing the sentence, so I'm hoping, I mean, my appeals already in. We had it ready to go from the day that the sentence happened because we were appealing not only the sentence, but the conviction and everything, the envelope, the infamous envelope

that everybody knows about that we're trying to get back opened up. We're also going to, we're hopefully going to have a package put together here soon for the public to kind of see if they want you to look at the transcripts of what the lawyers were saying in courts with that envelope. they weren't allowed to tell us what was in the envelope, but you can tell just from what they're saying what had happened out in Coots. You know, they're saying things like the Crown should be criminally investigated

and criminally charged and crime fraud and so and so forth. So we just want to bring a light to things, right? We're probably going to attach my original bail hearing to that as well where the Crown had conceded to my original lawyer that they had no evidence and and then some of the RCMP notes started to change when I when I changed the lawyers and then we also have a recording of one of the officers that did my interview talking to a person in the Lafbridge courthouse saying how he wasn't too sure how the crown had the power that he does and that us guys shouldn't have been in jail. So I look forward,

I haven't actually heard it myself, but that's what I know. It's generally, that's what's on the tape, I believe. I would imagine it would be a lot more with there being 17 minutes, but those two things are definitely on there. So I look forward to that coming out. You know, when you bring up the envelope, I guess for people listening, is there ways that they can help with that? Or is there anything they can do? Because, you know, I've heard about this infamous envelope. And then, you know, after the infamous envelope got talked about,

it just disappeared from all talk, all ways of life, it seemed. So when you bring it back up, is there ways people can help with that? Well, there's not a whole lot that the public can do. We had just done a fundraiser to get the transcripts, which are crazy expensive, but we reached that goal. So really, there's not a whole lot anybody can do because nobody but the lawyers know what's in that envelope. They're not allowed to tell us what's in the envelope.

But my lawyer right now, Ms. Bayak, is pretty, you know. presently trying to get it open and back up. What do you think, like, when you sit there and you think of a day where possibly that envelope gets opened up, what do you think that day looks like? Well, I think that everybody's going to see that the Crown was giving the RCMP wrong advice. I believe they were tampering with evidence. think it's going to bring a lot of light to some of the things that are happening in our system.

I recognize where I am, but there's a lot of good people that made mistakes inside of jails. And some of the stories that I've heard that these Crown prosecutors are doing is pretty wild, actually. So hopefully we can bring light to that kind of stuff because this is Canada, right? This isn't some third-row country where, you know, it's normal, but we need to get this tough stop here in Canada. So I'm just hoping that thing gets opened up. It's more for everybody else, right? I've gone through all this.

My sentence is going to be over, you know, in the next year or so I should be out. So I just don't want this to happen to the next person now. Well, I hesitate on questions asked because I, like to just give you the mic it's it's you know it's your open forum to talk directly to people out here but i i hear you talk about you know oh it's just just another year you know and i'll be out it's like when did your mindset change because i mean one of the difference uh and i mean obviously tony has family i don't mean to point at that direction but um myself being a father knowing you're a father, at what point did you come to terms with where you're at and not seeing your kids?

I assume that had to be beyond difficult. You know, you never get used to it. The hardest part really was waiting for the trial to happen because you just, you don't know what's happening in your life. You don't know where it's going. You don't know anything. You can't plan any. but now it's over and things are definitely a lot easier you know you can plan like

I should have my business back open by next fall and you know I'll be with my kids all the time again and so whereas before it just really there was no light so I guess really I've really just come to terms of it recently you know once the trial was over with it was it was it became easy I mean, I knew that I wasn't getting out any time soon. I went through a couple bail hearings where we thought there was no way that I'd be staying in and somehow I ended up staying in. So yeah, I just recently, I guess, is the only way I can describe it is just now, really, in the last couple of weeks.

So, yeah, I mean, all I can do is look forward now too, right? So, yeah, I'm just going to keep going forward, I guess, I could say. What's one of the things, you know, you look forward, I mean, like, obviously your kids, but, you know, when you're sitting there, what's one of the, I don't know, the everyday life things you look forward to just being able to do once you're outside, Chris? I look forward to heading to our seasonal camp spot every weekend again you know heading up to Waterton doing some hiking or up doing some river fishing or just the stuff that we enjoy doing we're an outdoorsy family so if it's if it's outdoors you can

guarantee we'll be there so that's what I look forward to the most right is just being able to hang out and grow up with my kids, have them grow up with me. Is the way I should put it. That's the part I'm missing, obviously, the most is I mean, I'm a full-time single dad, so it's been a little harder than I think than it would be on some other fathers that maybe didn't have their kids on a full-time basis. But, yeah, I just look forward to being with them. every day again and that's all.

Yeah, well, like I say, sitting here as a father and hearing you talk, I think I said something similar to Tony when I was talking to him. It's a surreal experience for me to sit here and talk to you. Obviously, me sitting on the outside. But, you know, as far as the podcast

goes, I never thought I'd be sitting in this chair talking to somebody where I believe, you know, I've never met you before, Chris. But at the same time, knowing where you went, knowing why you stood up, and what you've lost because of that, you know, I'm just like, I almost just don't have the words, you know, and I hope the best for you too, and I look forward to when you both are out and we can actually shake hands. I think a lot of Albertans and Canadians think the same thing is at some point, they look forward to seeing

you boys out because, you know, I don't know what drove, you. to Coots, but I know it drove me to Ottawa, and I assume it's something similar. You know, if you rewind the clock back to whatever year you want, 2019, certainly before the pandemic ever got announced, was Chris at all interested in anything to do with the government where you, where you, I don't know, what was life like before all of this? Well, I mean, life was good before the pandemic. you know obviously just like everybody else we all went through stresses and everything like that um i you know i wore my mask when i had to and i followed the rules and all that but it started to

because that point where it was things weren't making sense anymore um you know the the vaccine goes from one hundred one hundred percent safe and effective and and that number kept dropping and dropping and dropping and then you know in New Brunswich they made it so that the grocery stores could mandate that you had to have a vaccine passport to get groceries when you start seeing things like that you know things aren't normal like it's you know we're forcing people to take an experimental shot um that's everything that's take all of our human rights away. So I had to go to Coutts.

I had to show my kids that we need to stand up for things that aren't right. And that's just who I've been all my life, is a right or wrong kind of a guy? So you ever think... Did you ever think in walking, not walking, but driving down to Coutts and being there for your time, that there was any possibility, were you naive? Or were your eyes wide open of what the possibilities of what you were doing could entail? Well, of course, look, I mean, the police came in and talked to us on multiple occasions and said that we could be arrested and, you know, our vehicles could be towed away and all that kind of stuff.

I understood that. And, you know, you're being arrested for mischief and your vehicle towed away. well, I can pay a fine and I can get my truck out of jail, but had I ever thought this would happen? Absolutely not. And especially the accusations that come with it, obviously, right? That's one of the hardest things, because I have the utmost respect for police. You know, I have friends who are married to police officers and friends that are police officers. and then when that came out, it hurt me a lot.

And, you know, their other accusations being a white supremacist, as most people know now, Tony's Asian. And my children are part native, so we're definitely not white supremacists. So, you know, that kind of stuff was hard to hear. Actually, that was probably the hardest part was the white supremacist stuff. It really bothered me because of my children. But the truth is coming out. I think people are starting to see the truth now, too.

Things about this whole case haven't been normal. My lawyer says she's never experienced anything like it. Yeah, I mean, she's even been going on podcasts and talking about it, which it makes me happy because, you know, she's out there, you know, telling the truth as well, so that's great. Yeah, I just, this whole experience has been different, and I hope that it just makes things better for Canadians in the future. Well, one of the things I can say, it's pretty cool probably isn't the right word to use,

but I'll use it regardless to have you on this side and share part of your story, right? A lawyer talking for you is one thing. Actually hearing your voice, Chris, is something else for me and probably for a lot of the listeners sitting here. you know when you talk about the accusations and that being the toughest thing about it you know and then getting acquitted of uh conspiracy to commit work commit murder and different things like that like when you when you're when you're sitting there watching this all play out as hard as it is are you like what the hell is happening right now like this has we weren't none of this is true like i guess you went up and hit slam into what i call the governmental

machine, right? You literally, it picked you out, kind of like the Terminator would do, and says, that's one of them. And we're going to take him down and we're going to say everything we can to discredit these people and make sure that everyone gets, you know, catches the message, so to speak. Am I right in thinking some of those thoughts? Absolutely. Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. just yeah this whole thing is I don't want this to happen like I keep saying over and over to people again

and what it happened to me it was I said to my mom I said they needed to find a way to stop the protests and they they did that they found a way

and they don't care what they do they don't care about the collateral damage They don't care about, you know, my kids or my mom or anybody else in my family or Lysap family or Tony's family or Jerry's family. They just, all they cared about was stopping their protest and then, you know, having their narrative go forward. But the truth is going to be, it is coming out. I believe people, like I said, people see it and we're going to, I'm going to do everything. I can to make sure that it comes out. What would be your final thought for anyone in Alberta, Canada, whoever's listening?

My final thoughts. Well, I would like people like Danielle Smith to do the right thing. There needs to be a public inquiry. People need to look into this. It needs to be investigated because I know, well, I know for sure that there are things that have happened and are still happening that shouldn't be happening and this shouldn't happen in Canada and I hope that this isn't there you have it folks um yeah I don't I don't I don't I don't know to say um I guess I would just like to finish with uh sitting where I sit

I think I owe more than just a tip of the cap to these men um is there possible well no i'm almost tongue tied i am tongue tied i don't know what to say um when he's just like nope that's that's all i get today one day i hope you know for a brighter future where i get to sit across from tony and and chris and um and sit and actually have a full-on conversation and share maybe a hand shake and a cup of coffee or whatever they choose when they're when they're out I just want to say thanks again for Chris for hopping on because I like I say I have some thoughts but I'm kind of the same dang thing folks has happened to me that happened the first time when I had Tony on and that is it's a surreal experience sitting on this side and I did not start out this podcast to be talking to somebody like Chris and I don't mean that in the sense of who he is more of where he sits and yet if you've been following along with this podcast it took us out to Ottawa and back again and now We sit and we've been having some of the most surreal conversations under the sun. And this one is, you know, although brief, you know, it sits up there with a few others where I don't even know if I can get my thoughts out at the end of here without being emotional.

So thank you for tuning in today listening to Chris Carbert talk to us. And I hope that in the future we can get them back on again to. finish his thoughts and maybe Tony as well. So thanks for tuning in today folks and we'll catch up to you on the next one.