Shaun Newman Podcast - #723 - Lisa Miron

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

Lisa is a practiced litigator, running her own law firm for 11 years. Her legal practice includes large file litigation, work against government entities, and class action cases. She is known as LawyerLisa on Substack where she focuses her writing on legal and societal issues. Today’s discussion is a deep dive into Bill C-293 and the concerns over its implications for governance under the guise of public health. Cornerstone Forum ‘25 https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/ Satellite offices of the WHO https://lawyerlisa.substack.com/p/lets-drill-down-in-the-who-apparatus Text of the bill https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-293/third-reading Status of the bill https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-293 The one click https://oneclickpolitics.global.ssl.fastly.net/promo/602 The state of the research https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/c-change/subtopics/coronavirus-and-climate-change/#:~:text=Many%20of%20the%20root%20causes,or%20people%20and%20share%20germ Clothing Link: ⁠⁠⁠https://snp-8.creator-spring.com/listing/the-mashup-collection⁠⁠ Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Silver Gold Bull Links: Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone]

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it i'm excited as you can tell calgary we're coming from you cornerstone forum 2025 all right let's get on to that tale of the tape she's been a lawyer for for over 24 years and goes by the handle, lawyer Lisa on Substack. I'm talking about Lisa Myron. So buckle up. Here we go. Thanks, Lisa, for hopping on.

Hi, everybody. So I guess this is going to be the redo of our lost podcast. That's right. Well, we've been, one of the things on this side that you deal with when, you know, we release episodes five days a week on this side. And so one of the things that happens is this happens every 20th episode, every 25th episode.

it doesn't matter. Every once in a while, Streamyard goes, I don't like this person being on with you. And we're just going to make it difficult. And I go, isn't that interesting? Isn't that interesting? All right. All right. We'll try a different way. So here we are again. We're going to try and make it work. Lisa, thanks for bearing with us, staying on. And I guess I would just start with what I said in that previously. My audience is fantastic. You're asking how I found you. I gave compliments. I tip my hat to my audience all the time. and they brought up your name and said, I should have you on. But before we get into Bill C-293, how about we talk just briefly about who you are so people can get a feel for you? So I'm a lawyer of 24 years.

I've been in house recently in the auto sector for five years and before that telecom and tax. So I have, you know, reading contracts negotiating with big, big parties. I have that under my belt. And then I had my firm for also 11 years. and I did large file litigation. I've even done some class action work. And I've sued the government several times. And so I even sued them in the first SARS case where I represented the family of

Nelia Lerosa. And someday we should perhaps unpack what kind of experience that gives me in terms of looking at our pandemic. And just the idea that governments sometimes get it wrong, right? and the presumption that we're going into is that we have to be governed by experts and only the anointed few can get it right and the rest of us don't have brains and we don't have the ability to parse research or anything so you know I have a lot of relevant experience under my belt that maybe start digging after the trucker you know the the trucker protest and I haven't stopped

trying to inform my audience. And I'm really glad that you're giving me a bigger audience through your podcast. So that's fabulous. Yeah. Well, you have, you know, like we've been messing around on this side this morning, folks. So normally my brain's picking up on about 17 questions, but I'm going to make sure that we get to Bill C-293. I swear, we've got to hear some things about this because it's been getting thrown at me a ton.

So I want to hear about it. And normally I would pull on about eight different threads, and maybe that's what we should do at a different time. But once again, this will be the last time I bring this up, folks. The issues this morning have been quite significant. So we're going to see if we can't get a little Bill C-293. And the fact that I got somebody on again who enjoys reading junk like this, and I know it's not junk, it's just my eyes glaze over.

I try and read it. I'm like, this has got to be the worst thing ever. So break it down for me, Lisa, and the audience, please. Okay, are you able to give me screen sharing ability? I believe. Guys, did you feel like perhaps an answer yes in your heart or yell it at the screen, even though we can't hear you? Did you feel that public health wasn't really acting in Canadians' interests, that they might have had the name of Public Health Canada, but they weren't acting for Canadians? And so what I wanted to do was prove what I had a hunch.

I had a hunch and that public health Canada was not truly Canada. And so I was able to prove that. And that's our first stepping stone today because you have got to see where we go with this. And I want you, can you tell me if you can see. I can see everything. Yep. Yeah. So I hope it's not too pixelated, but we've got, I went to look up the national focal points from the international health regulations of 2005. Because at the time, the WHO in 2022 was amending the international health regulations. And the WHO was trying to put through a pandemic treaty. And so why is this all important? Well, when we get to look at the bill,

I'm going to show you the bill hands Canada over to the WHO. The bill hands Canada and the governing of Canada over to the WHO. So that's a big, big thing. So the national focal points of the international health regulations, you can look at my substack. I'll drop it with Sean and he can put it in the show notes. And these are NFPs. Think of them as satellite offices of the hoop.

So everybody has to have a satellite office of the WHO. Do you want to know how controlled this is? I said, okay, well, where's Canada's satellite office, right? Of the WHO. The NFP, they don't call them satellite offices, but I do. So I said, okay, here it is. It's the address for the satellite office of the WHO is in Washington, D.C. at 52523rd Street.

And it's at an organization called Pahill. the Pan American Health Organization slash World Health Organization. So how circular is that? Our satellite office is run of the WHO is run out of the WHO in Washington, D.C. So they have a health portfolio. So this is the globalization, Sean. You know, pan American health organization. You regionalize big sections of the earth, like,

EU or Pan-Africa or here Pan-American and then you just drop it into a world government. That's what we're witnessing. That's what your Bill C-293 is. And so what's the health portfolio? Now, you are going to have your brain firing again. It's the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. So, hey, does that, you know, flock have bird flu? the Canadian Institute of Health Research?

Oh, what are we going to fund? Who's going to get the funding money? And what kind of conclusions are they going to come up to? Maybe. I don't know. Health Canada. Health Canada for 19 years. And, you know, if you're hearing this for the first time, when I researched it, I was like,

what? Health Canada is the satellite office of the who. So justice must be seen to be done, right? And so how deep do these tentacles go and which way do they run? And since they weren't telling us, you know, I've also a master's in conflicts of interest. How do I trust that Health Canada run out of Pahoe in Washington, D.C., is really Health Canada. I mean, what is that word, Canada there for? It's totally redundant.

Patent's Medicine Prices Review Board. Oh, are we approving that medical remdesmavir or, Are we going to buy vaccines? How many? What price? You think of the conflict of interest of the WHO funded by, you know, Gavi, Sappy, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation running the patented medicines price review board. Boom.

Boom. What is that? That's a complete conflict of interest. Okay? There. That's what I was looking for. You know, when I have a hunch, I'm going to hunt it down until I find it. this is what I found. The Public Health Agency of Canada is a satellite office of the WHO.

Now that's my terminology. Prove me wrong. You didn't tell us that Pahill was running these five organizations. Sean, I'm going to let you drop it there and sort of what's your reaction when you find out looking back at the pandemic that public health is a satellite office of the WHO, Health Canada, who's telling our doctors how to, you know, treat everything is a satellite office of the hood, right? You know, it's funny. It doesn't shock me as much as you'd think. Certainly, I was telling you before we started, I feel like I got a master's or a doctorate

in the pandemic, interviewed a lot of different people. The one thing you're doing, though, is you're showing the evidence, right, of where it is, where it sits, and how things tie together. So I should point this out to people just listening. You should probably head over to X or Facebook or Rumble and watch because at least then you can see what Lisa is doing here. I don't know if any of this shocks me. Probably what's better about it, Lisa,

is that you're showing where they tie together. So when you talk about satellites, right, you can just see that their health portfolios include these five. And you're like, you're right. Why do they have Canadian? on there. Why do they have Canada? What does it even matter when it's being ran or being heavily influenced out of the United States as our satellite office sits there? Right. And so here we are looking at Bill C-293 and who brought it forth. Like it's gone through all of its first,

second and third reading in the House. And it's at the first reading in the Senate. And we have generated a one-click. Some people in Canada. and I, that is sending a minimum 120 letters a day. And you know what? You're going to kick this up because you're going to tell your audience to send letters to the Senate saying, no, do not let this bill. Nothing in Canada will ever be the same if we let this bill go through. Nothing. So, oh, yeah.

And look at this vaguen, this vaguen, Nathaniel Erk-Sign Smith. I wrote his, all the MPs about the pandemic. in international health regulations in 2022, in October in 2022. He wrote back his office, maybe drafted it, not him. I'm not sure who drafted it and told me to go watch his podcasts on conspiracy theories. Tell me, right, that I had a concern about the WHO pandemic treaty in international health regulation amendments, and he says it's a conspiracy theory. but he's taking those same things found in those documents.

And by that time, June 17th, 2020, I wrote him in October. His bill had already had the first reading in the House of Commons. So he was gaslighting me about, you know, globalism running our country. And whether or not there were serious concerns there. And he was telling me it's all a conspiracy theory. while moving this bill forward. So let's drop that there too. Now, why do I say we're handing over governance of Canada wholeheartedly to the who?

First, I showed you, you know, the satellite offices, who are they? Well, there's two points of power in here. Two points of power. one is that it's the Minister of Health that writes the pandemic plan. Okay, that's from Health Canada. So what satellite office of the WHO gets to write the plan? Who do they appoint as top dictator in Canada? This is the last thing.

They make an amendment to the Department of Health Act. I know this is going to glaze over, but this is important. Make a little bit. Okay. So here they get to the minister of, that's the Minister of Health of Health Canada, right, run out of Washington, D.C. appoints a national pandemic prevention and preparedness coordinator, oh, from among the officials of public health Canada. So Health Canada, satellite office of the food, picks a top dictator from public health Canada, satellite office of the food. Okay.

And what do they give this coordinator? Like, what don't they? They give powers not defined, duties not to find, functions not to find. So anything, they get to do anything that the minister considers appropriate, aka, here, give Canada over. But like, don't just stop there. Let's go to what powers are involved and what the grant of power can concern. So the grant of power, this has found three places in this bill.

It's not even that big of a bill. But they managed to hand three places this one health approach. And the talking points of a one health approach is that, oh, everything is going to be dealt with in a, you know, the same way all around the world. No. One health is multidisciplinary, so any discipline, multi-sector, any sector, collaborative approach. that focuses on human, animal, plant, and ecosystem health. So like everything in God's green earth, it focuses on that, and welfare interface. And that's basically, Sean, that's your relationship with government or your relationship

with stakeholders or your relationship with NGOs. So the grant of power is everything that Canada could possibly ever concern because It's your government, stakeholders. It's every relationship with how you're governed. And it has to concern, you know, plan. It has to focus on plant, animal, you know, so everything. And they say that the plan must do that. And they say that in two places in the bill.

So it's big. Could we, could you scroll back up to that just for one second, the one health? I just want to read it one. one more time. Yeah. So that I get this right. Whereas a one health approach, a multisectoral and multidisciplinary collaborative approach that focuses on the human animal plant, ecosystem health, and

welfare interface is central to preventing the risk of future pandemics. If there is one thing Lisa I learned out of the last pandemic was that a one size for everyone does not even remotely fit. And that's what the vaccine became, became, hey, there's one way to get out of this. And oh, by the way, it doesn't work at all. It might hurt you and a bunch of other things. But you better take it because if we don't do that, that's the only way we're getting out. It was insanity.

And now they're taking, as I read that, this one approach to the next whatever, and they're going to build in everything into the one way they're going to think. Correct? Well, yeah, but it's also totalitarianism. So totalitarianism is that the totality of anything that you interact with in your whole life is governed by government. So totalitarianism is, you know, we are going to govern you down to your mice nuts, right? Like anything, you know, what you're thinking, right? Yeah. He's nuts. I like that. Oh, man. All right. Yes. Right. So right. It's everything. It's plant. It's, uh, we're going to govern you.

We are going to govern the crop out of you. That's what want to help is. Right. There's no topic that they don't get to govern you on because you try to think of something and I'll say, oh, that's plant. Oh, that's ecosystem health. Oh, that's, you know, that's, that's got to be in a sector. That's got to be in a discipline. That's got to be like it's totalitarianism. So what we've done is, so we've made Canada run by an unaccountable person that gets appointed by the WHO. Right. And it's a top down dictatorship. So that's not democracy. And then we've handed over the type of government we have as totalitarianism. And that's not democracy. So, you know, I even started reading the bill. So if you have senators out there that don't know how to read the bill, just get them to the Sean Newman podcast. Well, I'm going to

share this with a couple senators for sure. Yeah. So we've already altered what Canada is right there. And then the purpose is to prevent the risk of, well, risk isn't defined anywhere. There's no definition section. It doesn't have to be a material risk. It could be a future risk. Like there's no threshold at which, you know, oh, you've got a whole bunch of six people and, you know, people are dying in the streets. No, it's just for future pandemics. How much in the future?

Not defined. And you're going to see this climate agenda in here. Right. So they get, you know, on the basis of whatever, they don't define pandemic. They don't define risk. They don't define future. And so this, anything is relevant. They get to govern the whole thing.

And it's not us. It's not a democracy. We're not voting for this person. We can't make them accountable to us. And then we're going to see they take, you know, they get to change. They do expropriation. They get to do stockpiling our economy. And, yeah.

Okay. And so what are the mitigation strategies that the Minister of Health from, you know, the Health Canada intends to implement in order to prevent the risk of? Again, prevent the risk of. We don't know. Prepare for these that could lead to pandemics. Again, so again, tenuous could lead. Just has to be something that could, you know, some. They get to grab all this power and there's no even threshold at which we.

We were as a Canadian saying, yeah, okay, you can get all this power in this condition, but only in this condition. No, it's anything, anything that they get to do. And then they have to do it, a timeline. So they get to identify the key drivers of pandemic risk. That's important, right? Only their talking points. And so I thought, okay, for shits and giggles, I'm going to find out. I'm going to throw it in Google, and I'm going to find it, what is a key driver of a pandemic?

And, yeah, what was the key driver of the pandemic? The first, there was, you know, all the same kind of data, but it was climate change are key drivers of pandemics. And this is important because, you know, this is how they get to govern so, because carbon is everything, right? We're in a carbon life cycle. well, you know, even dying produces carbon, right? Everything. So here they say that we know that climate change alters how we relate to other species on Earth and that matters to our health and our risk for infections.

And this is their whole science. This is the big brains at Harvard. You know, we want to spend hundreds and hundreds of thousands to send your kids off. Here's what the big brains came up with. as the planet heats up, animals big and small on land and sea are headed to the poles to get out of the heat. So, Sean, you know, whenever I read this, I tell everybody when I'm lost, my GPS isn't working and I don't know which direction I'm going in. The kids and I, we just look outside and we're like, where are the animals beaten to? That's got to be north, right?

And that means animals are coming into contact with other animals. they normally wouldn't, and that creates an opportunity for pathogens to get into new hosts. So just on that, you know, very tenuous statement where they haven't established anything, they're just saying, you know, we get these root. And this is important because you're going to see this language reflected in the bill. Okay. The root causes of climate change increase the risk of pandemics. Deforestation, because you're going to see in this bill, the requirement for reforestation.

Deforestation, which occurs for agricultural purposes. So when you see deforestation or reforestation, a.k.a., that's our agriculture. That's our food. And it's the largest cause of habitat lost worldwide. So all those organizations, you know, going on habitat, they're going after our food. Loss of habitat forces animals to migrate and potential contact other animals and share germs, large livestock farms,

can also serve as a source of spillover, yada, yeah. So this is not a gratuitous stop on this bill. This matters because you're going to see that exact language. So when they identify the key drivers, they're going to get to say why they govern their life, your life. They're going to get to say why they get to enter Canadian's lives and run it. And wow, here's a big one. you know, here's a big one for you senators out there and you big brains in parliament.

Describe how Canadian activities. What's an activity? That's domestic and abroad. So, you know, ubiquitous jurisdiction. What kind of Canadian thinks they get to govern you in Costa Rica or you in Poland or you? No, domestic laws apply there, right? Unless, oh, unless this is about instituting a globe. If every OECD country and all the countries around the world have the same bill and they each appoint a top dictator, then all we're getting is Canada as a, you know, a regional governed by the feudal lord at the top.

Okay, yeah. So global jurisdiction. That's a jurisdiction. And then we're not even at sea, right? Like here we are C. ensure sustained collaboration, so all the time collaboration, between the Minister of Health, the Dark Lord of the WHO for Canada, and provincial governments and indigenous communities in a development plan in order to align approaches. They got to, you know, all the time, sustained collaboration, all the time working to make sure they all have the same approach. So the dictator's got to have his little, you know, top down, address any jurisdictional challenge, including with respect to the collection and sharing of data. So already it's, you know, hey, they're going to grab our data, collect it, and bring it back to the who.

Right? Or bring it back to the world government that they're putting through. But they also have to address jurisdictional challenges. And this is a cue that this is anti-constitutional. Because the British North American Act and the Constitution gave certain powers to the provinces and other powers to the federal government. And this bill usurps that provincial federal dynamic. Any premier of any province of any province can challenge this bill. And I hope they do.

I hope they march over to court and just say like, stop it. But what other jurisdictions? The territorial jurisdiction, right? We're talking about, you know, hey, we think as Canadians we get to govern the world. And you're going to see this ubiquitous omnibus jurisdiction everywhere. But what other jurisdictions? The jurisdiction of the court to rein in the civil or the executive and legislative branches. That's not there.

So that's a problem. So they are anticipating their problems. and then they're saying, well, why those, how we're going to work out those problems. And I know that indigenous community is not defined. At like no place is indigenous defined. So who's indigenous? It's who they want it to be. It could be the power broker.

So Sean, do you have any like reactions in the first, you know, minutes of this bill? Well, I guess I just, I just think it's, when they, you know, if another climate or a world emergency was declared, which, you know, from our previous chat, understanding that, you know, is it every five years one gets announced? Is it every year one gets announced? I guess I should really do some research into how often they, they declare a worldwide emergency or a pandemic. And you go, what they're trying to get to, is where when one gets declared, they have control over everything, which I think for a lot of us, the last time they did have control over way too much,

and they got so much wrong, like an insane amount wrong. They crushed dissenting voices. They crushed alternative methods of dealing with it. And so you go, this is a bill that somehow is getting through that would give them everything they had and more. Well, yeah, but the threshold isn't when they declare a pandemic. It's to prevent the future risk of pandemic. So it's just right now all the time, right? This power is interesting.

Right? It's not about when they declare a pandemic. It's that it's to prevent the future risk. And it doesn't have to be a big risk. Anything they say could possibly cause a future pandemic. And it doesn't even have to be, you know, a big contribution. They haven't established any threshold. So it's all the time.

That's an interesting. I guess I didn't pick up on that, Lisa. So what you're saying is if Canadians traveling to, I don't know, we like to take our holidays in Mexico, let's say, if they deem that as dangerous, then they could just shut that down because it's to mitigate risk of a future pandemic. Driving your cars, eating meat, that causes climate change. That somehow causes animals to move north. and so that causes some due to meet a new animal and share a germ. And so that could happen. And so therefore,

everything gets to be governed because the plan starts exactly. Everyone's like thinking about the first rodeo. So, you know, my job when I'm acting for a client is I want to narrow the provision as much as possible. And as I read it, think of all the scenarios that it could have an adverse call. consequence against my client. So when I read this, there's no threshold where a pandemic has to be declared, right? They just have to have a future risk. So there's, they don't, and they, since they get

to own the science on what is a risk, uh, and bring in the communications on it, they decide when this goes live. So when this goes live, virtually 100% hands over governance to Canada ab initio from the start, because everything is a future risk. risk. Anything is a future risk. And it concerns such a broad grant of power. Canadian activities not defined. And over a subject matter that I've already told you is totalitarianism. So you have to, you know, what I got good at over the years is reading my opponents and understanding where their arguments go. And so, you know, this is, this is problematic. Here's the training programs with other levels of government, indigenous communities, and

relevant agencies. Well, so if we, if a level of government got missed, we've got now all agencies. And where I want you to think is that that includes your army and your civil authority. That includes your police, your pandemic, your paramedics, and your firefighters. That includes agencies that you're not thinking about. And the reason why I was queued into that is the New Zealand plan that came out of similar legislation enabled under section 70 or 71 that the police assist the chief medical officer of health with quarantining people.

Is that your daughter, your wife, places? You know, is that your town things? I don't know, your belongings, right? Animals is that your flock, your herd? is that your pat right and vessels so that your trains planes automobiles and so and they could use force if necessary and the and the pandemic plan that came out of new zealand and at no point did anyone say like what plan are you thinking of can you append it is there similar plans but the new zealand plan resulted in that police, civil authority, could use forces necessary to assist the chief

medical officer of health or their employees once people are in quarantining, once they're in quarantine, presumably they're in quarantine because they're sick, with the administration of a preventative substance. So that's forced vaccination while in civil authority, right? and, you know, what does that do to Nuremberg principles? And that was chilly, okay? Because we have Blair made an announcement. You could probably link this, you know, in your Twitter or wherever you show this.

Blair and Trudeau made an announcement that the Army, for the first time in Canadian history, we've changed the National Defense Act, that the Army can assist with civil authority. And then Blair also bemoaned the fact that the instant immigrants that we have aren't being fast-tracked into the army fast enough. That the checks take up to two years, right? So then you have a situation where non-Canadians may be in charge of pandemic procedures in civil authority. This is chilling. Yeah. Well, the fact that you go, what did they learn through the last one?

Well, the thing that ended it was civil disobedience and the military wouldn't come in. And heck, lots of cops basically stood down. And they need a way to ensure the next time that civil disobedience happens, that they have ways of getting rid of that. And, you know, having a military that that mouse may sound. tin-foil. I don't think it sounds tinfoil hat to anyone who listens here. But you know, like, you go, we had Andrew McGilvery on and he talked about the military. And, you know, that's terrifying, right? It's allowing the enemies. And it doesn't have to be that they're coming to arrest you tomorrow.

It's that they have no remorse in helping shut down what they don't understand or different cultures or everything else. and the fact they're fast-tracking that should terrify everyone. But the fact that they're going about trying to ensure the next time this happens that civil disobedience won't work should just unnerve everyone. Because if it wasn't for the truckers, I don't know where we sit today. We probably sit in a very similar situation to where we were in 2022. So there's a few reactions that I have on that discussion. The first is immigration.

If it takes two years to check the person, whether the person is actually safe enough to be in the military because of going back to their country, then our immigration system isn't actually checking people on entry. So that's the one clue that I read out of that article. Like if it takes two years for the Army to find out if you're safe enough to be in the Army, then question whether or not you're safe enough to be in Canada. That's the first thing.

I was like, well, it takes you two years. that out, go back to those guys. You didn't have that information. You didn't, you didn't decide to bet that person. They're just, they're just in, right? They're just in our country. So that's a, you know, that's, you know, you want an immigration policy. But you don't have immigration policies if it's open border, right? If it's a globalist country, if we're just a region of the world that's being governed by globalists, we, you know, there's no, there's no need, right? It's all open borders. You're just moving around. So, you know, there's that reaction. But really, at no point in Canadian history has the Canadian army ever been used against Canadians.

Right? Yeah, that's an insane thought. The only time... And that's a national defense change. That's not tinfoil hat if it's in our statute. Would you... But Lisa, maybe the only time it's been used against the Canadian population is when you go back to probably World War II, when they put Germans in interming camps, they put Japanese in intermin camps.

That's, you know, that sticks out to me. you might go further back, maybe the First Nations, putting down different uprisings and different things like that. That's a time in Canadian history where the Canadian powers that be, although, you know, like, how far back do you go and was the British and everything else, but certainly World War II. But where we're sitting now, to even think the Canadian military would be used against the Canadian population, is, well, I don't know, insert word here.

It's okay. So you got to read all of this together, but when you add that to this bill, we've talked about totalitarianism. We've talked about, you know, this. I think now we're getting to a point where this is a perpetual emergency act because the scenarios you gave are emergency act, you know, war measure act type scenarios where they're like, oh, well, you know, we get to use military against, we get to use military for civil authority in those scenarios. well, you would in a war measures act situation and see that more readily. So, you know, and of course we've got you, we've got the UN who just has the PAC for the future, which is a world governing measure, really.

And that gets in through here as well. I'm going to just drop down to that because it just shows that we're, being governed with a black box. And this says that it set out in consultation with the relevant ministers a summary of key cooperative measures. So cooperative measure is not something that you have to see. Could be a phone call. Could be an email.

Could be Mark Mandichino asking, you know, Marco Mendocino asking how many tanks. Could be, you know, by text. It could be anything. Cooperative measures are agree. on disease outbreak between the government of Canada, other foreign governments. You know, this could be a cooperative measure with anybody. Key international organizations, Gabby, SAPE, W-EF, World Bank, like IMF, this. You could have, and you don't know the content of that.

And no senator or MP said, well, hey, I'd actually like to see the provisions I'm agreeing to. Right? So including the World's Health Organization. So then you have a satellite office of the WHO, having a cooperative measure with the WHO. And those measures are not disclosed, but they form part of Canadian law now. The United Nations Environmental Program, the World Organization for Animal Health and Food and Agriculture. That's the Don't Eat Meat People of the United Nations. So you can have anything also for.

form part of this. Every level of this bill is gross. And then remember we said the One Health features a lot of times. So it's provide training pro, yeah, ensure that standards and guidelines are aligned with the approach in 3A. When you drop down to 3A, you find out that's One Health. So everything, it has to be in long. with everything under the sun.

It has to be totalitarianism. And then they get to describe the state of research that could lead to pandemics, right? So we saw something that is just animals running north. They get to just, not you, Sean, not me, they get to describe it. And here, we get to establish and provide for interlinking surveillance,

surveillance systems were already surveilled quite a lot, and now they all have to link together. Right. So that's likely your vaccine passport type system, but that can be your smart city system. And because it's infectious disease of concern outside Canada, it could be your international vaccine passport. it, you know, in the surveillance system, it doesn't, anything. Local public health, this is how they go down into your local public health. And, you know, I don't know if you follow over there, but Toronto, our local public health, DeVilla, I wouldn't be surprised because she's just retired from Toronto if she gets put up as the total dictator.

But I wouldn't be surprised if she's the one they're going to nod in. she wanted to decriminalize all drugs in Toronto with no lower age limit. So, you know, your kids could do math in the schoolyard with a safe pipe and a safe source of math. And the teachers couldn't get it out of there. And there was going to be no limit on what they could carry so anybody could traffic in hard drugs. And so, you know, when everybody goes public health, you know, we've got to listen to public health. public health thought Matt was safe for your kids. Public health thought Coke was something or, you know,

crack pipes were something that, you know, your kids could have in Toronto. So, you know, wow, support public health. Okay. Here's the protection of vulnerable and marginalized populations. Where can that go? That meant shutting down the entire economy, right? It could go anywhere. And they're even queuing that the rainbow is marginalized more by Corona,

marginalized more by climate change. They get hurt more and who hurts the rainbow, people with faith communities. So it can go in a lot of directions that don't really accord with where we are, right? And they get to decide who's vulnerable, how they protect them, and who's marginalized. They get to do all that. So they'll do what they want to govern us and it's problematic. They get to set the working conditions of essential workers across all sectors. So they net you to think it's going to be about nurses and doctors, but it's all sectors, right?

And they get to define what is an essential worker. That's up to them. So basically, and they get to decide, you know, is your working condition that you have to work from home in a 15 minutes? city? What's your working condition? Where can this go? At no point did anybody say, can you limit yourself here? Can we have a precise grant of power? Now, we want to give you a totalitarian grant of power over an ominous jurisdiction that is the entire world over just Canadian activities for any that is initiated to prevent a future pandemic where the risk doesn't even have to be material. At no point did anyone go, well, that's pretty big. We're not. We're

hand and gain it over. So this is, hey, unions, do you get to negotiate your essential conditions anymore or is that just set by the SAR? So when unions or anybody on the left ceases to be useful to this whole pyramid, you know, they're just going to have everything set up. Your interlinking surveillance is going to be your digital ID. It could be your CBDC because we got to survey what you spend it on. So here's something that really, you know, we talked about totalitarianism. Now we're talking about communism. The availability and management of relevant stockpiles, comma, including testing equipment. So there's your nudging to your MP who isn't a deep thinker that this is about getting necessary PPE. But really, it's the management of relevant

and stockpile. Stap piles not defined. It's anything under the WHO1 health concept. Anything's a stockpile. What's relevant? They decide. Oh, is climate involved? Maybe gasoline and diesel's a stockpile.

And they get to manage it. But the availability, Sean, are you available to do a podcast at 1130? No. You're not available. It does not mean make available this stuff. It could be your food. It could be agricultural equipment.

It could be anything they wanted to be. And no one said, this is a broad grant of power. Like, whenever I negotiate every clause, I go, like, strike this line, strike this line, strike this line. Let me rewrite. Like, I don't know what we're keeping in this bill. But it would be like, strike this line, strike this line. Surge capacity. This is your and human resources regarded for testing.

Now they're training in October out of, I think, Tampa to make training police, paramedics, firefighters for testing and for, you know, issues with pandemics, mass vaccination campaigns and such things. So what's the surge capacity? They're already working behind the scenes on this. And this is a biggie. here's your world censorship provision. Who gets to talk about the communication of risk to the public? They're anointed ones. Everybody else is silent.

This is the owning. This is your censorship provision. This is the owning of the communication. Right. That's what that is. You got to read like these demons. Okay. And this is, you know, sudden and on expected increases in patient volume.

Now we're getting into the Ministry of Industry. When I said there's communism, you know, it's a communist country that manages stockpiles. Well, they get to train the Ministry of Industry and it's the manufacturing capacity in Canada. Okay. Why do they get to own the manufacturing capacity? It's any product. Any product, not to find. But it must be a one health approach.

So any product. relevant to pandemic preparedness. Now, here's the nudging, comma, including. They want you to think it's about vaccines, testing equipment, and PPE. However, they just granted themselves the Ministry of Industry through this pandemic. They get our economy. They get our manufacturing capacity. Right?

This is wrong. This is wrong. Right? No one said, oh, you know what? what? If you want to talk about vaccines and PPE, maybe. But this is, you know, where we're going. And this affects every podcaster, everybody around the world in Canada. Okay. The communications capacity. Oh, they get that. And infrastructure. Oh, the entire communications capacity and infrastructure gets handed over for electronic platforms and tools, including,

electronic applications that enable contract tracing. So the including is the nudging to the MP or senator, you know, that it's going to be about like, oh, you know, I went on a trip and I met somebody and there's, you know, so I just got to put in. I'm going to a restaurant. I got to talk about that restaurant. But it's the, we just gave the entire communications capacity and infrastructure over.

All electronic platforms. So that's the internet. Is that telegram, X? That's everything. I'd love this to, you know, have Elon Musk watch this, right? And anything that could lead to a pandemic. Well, that, you know, anything could. And here's your agriculture and food provision.

So the Minister of Agriculture, Agri-Food, the Ministry of Industry, provincial governments, provide measures. Okay, here's your nudging. reduce the risk of antimicrobial resistance. Well, everybody wants that. You want your antibiotics to work? Well, give me precise measures, right? Are you just going to get rid of animals?

How are you going to reduce that risk? Well, there's a few other nudging that that's what they're going to do. Get rid of animals. Regulate commercial activities that can contribute to pandemic risk, including industrial animal agriculture. So yeah, yeah, you eating meat. Sorry, Sean. That can contribute to cause a risk.

They get that too. So our farmers need to lean in. Our dairy farmers need to lean in. And then just in case you didn't think it was about bugs, promote commercial activities that can help reduce pandemic risk, including the production of alternative protein. So, you know, in London we have a huge cricket. facility and I've never ever gone to the grocery store and heard anyone saying I'm out of

crickets where's your cricket aisle like there this is it's like build it and they will come because they have this legislation um phase out commercial activities that disproportionately contribute to pandemic risk and including activities that involve high risk species so all they have to do is say, well, a cow farts, that's a high-risk species, or your chicken, you know, your chicken has bird flu, that's a high-risk species. So did you think they were coming for your food? Well, it's, you know, as you read, it's just they have everything in there. It's like they've, they've taken every part they got absolutely wrong and decided they're going to control it. or everything that spoke out or did things differently over the last couple years and they're going to control it.

That's what this looks like to me. It's a coup. It's really handing. Canada will never look the same again if this passes. So it will never learn. Is there anything else you want people to understand about the bill or can we talk about that part? Okay. So let's do here.

A summary of land use in Canada, changes in land use. So they get to expropriate land. Okay. And remember I took you to that deforestation in relation to disturbed a habitat. So do you live in a rural community? Well, you might have disturbed a habitat. Do you have a cottage? You might have disturbed a habitat.

And because that could contribute to pandemic risk, including deforestation, including encroachment of wildlife habits and urbanization. Is that a town that can't exist anymore? You've got to go into the big cities. Okay, so who thinks in Canada that the WHO globalists get to expropriate us, like even our private properties at risk, in order to prevent a pandemic? You know, the risk of commercial wildlife trade at home and abroad, you know, including measures to regulate and phase out live animal markets.

So that's, you know, they make you think it's about a live animal market in Wuhan. Don't you think China should be regulating that? No, we've got omnipotent jurisdiction here. But animal markets are how animal, you know, that's how you get your chicks or that's how you get your calves to fatten up. That's how agriculture actually works. They're saying they're phasing it out. like this is global health equity

that's going around the world spending a ton of money in vaccinating people that don't want to be vaccinated it's really oh we have to halt and reverse global deforestation that's going around the world and taking farmers off the land

around the world right that's what Canada's doing in this bill so we're doing evil well not to mention Lisa, I had with Jasper Forest Fire, they talked about, I brought on some different men in the forestry industry that, you know, do different types of things with cutting down deadfall and trees with disease and on and on and on. And it helps, you know, prevent forest fires. So if all of a sudden you just say all cutting down any tree is bad, you're going to have more forest fires

in the future. That's, and worse, because the, the fuel is going to be sitting there and there's going to be nothing to, to, to, to stop it. And so you, you get into all these things. If we're not going to touch anything ever again, we're, you know, what this looks to me like, you know, and maybe, maybe, I don't know, you'll, I'll say tongue and cheek, but you'll go, no, that's what it reads, most likely, is that they would like us all to be in the big cities. No, that's clear. Not disturbing anything. Not disturbing hamilton. surveillance on us all to make sure if there's any time that anyone gets sick, we can stomp it out before it ever goes any further.

No, surveillance means known online and known in the real world. We're like ramping up cameras in real time everywhere. We've loaded it. So it's known online and known in the real world. So interlinking surveillance is a control matrix. this bill, if it goes through, it's immediate. They get to do a plan a minimum every three years. They could set down a plan every two weeks if they wanted.

So let's talk about that. Where does this sit today? Like, you know what you say? If this gets through, it's okay. Well, give me the key dates. And then give me the key things that people, while they're listening and are driving or walking the dog or whatever and they're cursing under their breath and going, Holy crap. Give us the key dates and then give us the solutions or what they should do.

Thank you. Yeah. This is an all hands on deck the way I like to, you know, if someone, remember that your mask protects me and my mask protects you. Remember that nonsense stuff, right? Okay. My letter to the Senate protects you, Sean. Your letter to the Senate protects me. All Canadians have to write the Senate. our letters to the Senate protect each other from totalitarianism, from expropriation, from being treated like cattle, from a coup in Canada. Your letter protects me, my letter protects you. We need to write every senator we need and say no, because it's past the house and they've had the first reading of the Senate and they've set it down. But our initiatives in Canada so far have paused, put a huge pause on the Senate. I can share Pamela Wall and saying that they're getting at least 120 letters a day.

Do you want me to share that video? Sure, yeah, sure. Okay, here we go. There's a piece of legislation coming from the House of Private Members Bill, actually, that has land in the Senate, Bill C-293, measures to regulate. commercial practices to try and minimize pandemic risks. This is how it's being proposed. We're getting a ton of mail in here about this.

What do you know and what do you think about this? There's something I don't understand about this bill. What's the strategic intent here? I mean, what's the spirit behind this bill? What are we trying to accomplish here? Are we trying to pick winners and losers? Is that what we're trying to achieve? Is it about real risks or is it about perceptual risks?

Is it about perhaps enticing canes to eat differently? Honestly, Senator, when I read the bill and I read the bill two days ago, I'm very, very confused. I have no idea what this bill is trying to accomplish, to be honest. We're getting so many, you know, comments from the public saying, What are we trying to do here? Control, you know, the pandemic responses when it comes to animals as well, you know, vaccines. There's a lot of activity around on that too.

And that would then, you know, you could make a case to people. They shouldn't be eating as much meat. They should be using other product. Like there's lots of questions that people have about this. So there's something going off in your brain as well. I think the fact that it went through the House points to the fact that the House itself is currently a mess. I mean, there's no paying attention. I don't see this any other way, to be honest, Senator.

I'm quite concerned. I mean, we have a dysfunctional parliament. So if parliament falls and there's an election coming up, I don't think Keynes are going to lose. No matter what the outcome of the election is, I do think that perhaps we need to do a control, I'll delete on the House. Okay, two more. So speaking to Senator Pamela Wallen is Sylvan Charleboe. He is the food professor.

And for Lisa, won't know this part. He's coming on the podcast next week. So he's going to be talking about 293 as well. He was the one that was talking there. She was asking him questions. And the audience will recall the food professor from, I don't know, is that six months ago?

He was on the podcast a while back. Regardless. Thank you. Thank you, Lisa, for showing. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know, Sylvan, Chalabois? Thank you.

You said it way more gracefully than I did. Yeah, yeah. We need, you know, you want to know what we can do. This is a hill because there's nobody whose life won't be drastically, horrifically changed and tell me if we can go back afterwards, right? Because the other thing you've got to consider is because it's being done in the coordination with the who is they're going to announce. you know, they're fake.

P-H-E-I-C, which is pronounced fake, you know, pandemic of international concerns. You know, I don't know exactly what the H stands for. But maybe they wanted it to be pronounced as fake so they could laugh at us, imagine. Probably. Yeah, imagine. So you could have a scenario where it's launched before we could get an election. So I don't want people to say and be complacent, you know, let's just wait and find out what happens in the election. I don't want any complacency here.

When I saw nobody was dealing with this bill, I thought, gee, I'm going to have to get out there and start talking about it. And I believe in people power. I believe politics isn't, you know, casting a vote. Politics is the conversations we have with our neighbors, with our communities, you know, with Sean Newman and Lisa Murrell. Like, it's us. We're politics and we're moving the dial. Like if you have Pamela Wall and saying, you know,

but you know, she had a narrative in there. Oh, it's just about giving, you know, vaccines to cows. She had a narrative in there. She had a, you know, a response. And she didn't capture. You know, what's really happening that I've broken down for you was not captured at all. Despite getting 120 letters a day,

she didn't scratch the surface on the bill. Didn't scratch it. So Shalda Blas talking about the food. And I hope he spends a fair amount of time with your podcast today and anybody that you think it would be useful in the political movement to spend some time with the podcast. We're talking about communism, controlling stockpiles, controlling manufacturing capacity.

We're talking about an omnibus or omnipotent jurisdiction going around the world, having the powers around the world. We're talking about handing it over. the governance on a totalitarian approach to two people that are embedded in the HOOS since the 2005 international health regulations. So there's no scenario that I think that this can be okay. Like Pamela, you know, might have suggested it's just about vaccines for a few little animals. I have a real problem. So we got to write the Senate. And I have a one click, but I also think people's own voices and they have to say, I want a response and I want you to respond to my

concerns. You can write the House and say, I actually want the dissolution of Parliament to include recalling this piece of legislation to the House to kill it. I want the dissolution, you know, you can say to the Conservative Party, this eliminates Canada. Boom. Just like it eliminates it. It grants the governing of Canada over to the public health, you know, on any level of risk. And so, you know, if our voices are loud enough, we can get that done. We can ask MPs to cross the floor if you're an NDP. Everybody has a conscience.

Everybody says, well, it's already cooked. No, you know what? I think people cross the floor when they understand what is at stake for humanity. because just like we stood up, the trucker's movement, it was emulated around the world. Canada defeating this can help people all around the world, right? Defeating this is defeating the domestication of that legislation. Our premiers can go to court and axe this bill right away. Our premiers can say this is, you know, the jurisdiction issue under the BNA and the Constitution.

you know, we have to ask this bill. And I mean, the court could say go back and redraft it. It's like, what are you going to do, right? Like take out the one, got to take out the Canadian activities and the omnipotent jurisdiction and everything, you know, this bill has to die. And so my letter protects you Canadians, your letter protects me. You phone your MPs. You say, call this bill back to the house.

call it back to the house before you dissolve it or if you're dissolving make sure you're dissolving the Senate too right? Like you don't want a scenario where parliament's dissolved and the Senate keeps going

and might pass this. Yeah. I appreciate you coming on and sharing I mean it's it's been very encompassing.

Is that the word I'm searching for? Like when you walk through the bill, there's not like this, this like chunk of like, oh yeah, and this is just they're just kind of like nice odd words and whatever enough. It's like every line you pointed out, you're like, oh, man. And, you know, the fact when you go back to the interview we just listened to that she's like, oh yeah, there's tons of letters coming in. I'm like, well, to me, when you talk to any MP, MLA, when it was in the middle of COVID, they said, oh, yeah, there was tons of people calling, but it was both sides. It was both sides. It's like, no, you stop

listening to one side. They were trying to warn you of something. And when you hear that, it's like, they're trying to warn you of something. But it's just about if we ever go through COVID again. And it's like, no, I think Lisa's done a pretty good job of pointing out that this is going to hand over everything if this goes through. And once again, you have a one-click stop. That's interesting. So I'll put that link. Lisa is going to send that to me so it can be in the show notes, folks. have you mentioned dates once again i'm always i want to know like is there right three days time like i think if you're listening in this and you're you're like holy crap emails just click on the link and send something but for a date to pay attention to um so people can understand where this is

coming we can talk about it more it can be in the forefront of everybody's thoughts so every time it goes up for the second reading so far they've stand it they keep standing it down So keep the pedal to the medal Canadians. Keep the pressure. Call your senators, write your senators, share this. Your letter protects me, my letter protects you. It was up either for the 17th or 19th, they stood it down. It was up for the 24th.

They stood it down, right? Is that why you see the appointment at Charles Adler and different people like that, that I don't know Charles's thoughts on this. I want to make that very clear. but the fact that they were handpicked by Trudeau, that could vote, when you say it got standed down, what does that mean? That means that they didn't do the second reading. So, you know, it has to have your three readings.

Right. So, but if it gets standing down three times in a row, is it just gone? Or they can just keep standing down, is it boating it down? No, it isn't. It's just that it doesn't get heard. Like they didn't have enough time or they're going to move on to a different matter. or they don't have the appetite for it. So it's like there's a gun to our head with this bill.

And it's all hands on deck. And we use all our political personal power. I really think, you know, we got to break into the farmers. We've got to break into restaurateurs, right? We've got to get the fancy chefs out there, right? The real she she chefs that, you know, they have the tuna tartar or the beef tartar. And, you know, no. tell me your bug tartar recipe.

Tell me your bug tartar recipe. I have this idea where, you know, you as an individual citizen can get a whole bunch of lanyards. And I have QR codes and you can put the QR code in your lanyard. Just print it up at your home computer. And stand outside and talk to people. Do you know about Bill C-293? And, you know, here's a QR code to write your Senate.

I have a vision of all of Canada saying, I love my country. Yeah, I love my Canadians. And I want to save it. I'm sorry, I'm emotional. I really am. People. People always get, sorry, people always get upset, always apologize for getting emotional. I'm, I don't know.

I say wear it on your sleeve and you are, Lisa. So don't, don't apologize for being a human. being and caring about the darkness we're heading into if this gets signed into legislation. That's right. That's right. Okay. I'm so glad that I am emotionally upset because I love Canadians and Canada and I want to safeguard it. And I want you all to help me and if you get upset, that's good too. I want to thank you for joining me today. And what we're going to do is we're going to put a link in the show notes. And I've already got it in my brain here in, I don't know, the time frame to have you back because there's a, there's a couple other things I want to talk

to you about. But I think for the importance of 293, I'm going to leave that B for the time being because I think what you're pointing out to all of us is how important this one is for the future of Canada and that everybody needs to pay attention to this. And so what we're going to do is we're going to put a link in the show notes. Lisa is going to send it over to me. And we'll get that out there for people to see in here. And if there's anything else, Lisa, before I let you go, fire away. Yeah, don't forget to pressure your premiers because your premiers themselves, your MLAs, they have a role. They can go to the Constitution before, you know, our rights are lost.

So, you know, an individual needs to have to show how they're, you know, that they lost their rights to get the remedy before the court. and but a premier can just say no this this is a constitutional violation of my citizens rights as a premier so you know someone like scott mo if he wins i hope he wins and um daniel smith they can immediately go to court so the idea that your mLAs can't can't help um that's that's that's false because some of the responses we got um you know people share me their responses some of the responses we got where well, that's a federal bill, that's not us. Well, it is us. It is us. So that's it. And I really am happy that you got my voice out to more people. Thanks, John. Yes, Lisa, thanks for hopping on and keep up the great work. And if there's ever a time that you need to enlist the SMP audience again,

I'm sure they'll let me know because they're obviously following what you do. But now that we have each other's numbers, I look forward to, you know, hearing and hopefully some positive news in the future. Either way, appreciate you hopping on this morning in short notice. And then dealing through serious technical issues to share some about 293. About good news, people are responding at scale with this, right? As soon as you learn about it, people are turning and starting to do action towards it. So there is good news. It's great news.

Cool. Well, that is good news. Thanks again, Lisa. and keep up the good work. Okay, thanks, John.