Shaun Newman Podcast - #727 - Mike Ferris

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

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And I'm looking forward to unveiling some more speakers as we confirm. Okay, let's get on to that tale of the tape. He's the host of Coffee and a Mike podcast. I'm talking about Mike Ferris. So buckle up. here we go welcome to the Sean newman podcast today I'm joined by Mike Ferris so mr. Ferris welcome aboard thank you for having me Sean it's great to great to meet you and love what you're doing and uh you know I'm excited to talk to you so thank you well I was just saying

this morning because I was I was talking the book club and they were they were asking about who was you know on a uh you know like who is this guy and I'm like well I started explaining it and they're like oh yeah I've listened that I'm like yeah yeah like we're doing similar things with similar people on different sides of the border is kind of what I think it is, but maybe I'm wrong. I had Crypto Rich on here a while back, and that was a fascinating interview for a lot of people because, you know, like you see him interview some people, but you never really hear his voice. You know, you get Tom and Alex or some of the others that you've had on, you know, Dave Callum and the list goes on. Lieutenant Colonel Stephen Murray, and I'm, you know,

there's how many episodes you up to? I'm up to 951 now, I think. Okay. So I go, there's no point in me listening this all off to you because there's a lot. But you get the point. But one of the things when I've been listening is like, well, I'd actually don't hear much about you, right? I hear about your guests. And it's like one of those things that are like, I just invite Mike on.

I invited Crypto Richon for the exact same thing. I wanted to hear who they were so that I could get a better feel. And I could draw attention to what you're doing because one of the things is people want to know who the host is, right? It's like, well, what's their backstory? So I guess that all being said, walk me through this, Mike. I want to start right there. I want to start with who the heck are you? And how did you get into this side of things, I guess?

The podcasting in general or where we're at? Because you and I are in the same place, I think, with our mission statement and the people that we're talking to. And I think what we're trying to accomplish. speaks for you but um well let's start let's start let's start earlier than that i would like to know you why you started podcasting in 2018 and actually i might even take it a step further who were you before you ever entered into this realm so i i was always one of those guys i'm 46 and when i was younger, I was a big Howard Stern guy. And I know he's a jerk now. He was always a jerk. I mean, he's always been the same guy. He was so good at getting conversations out of people. And I love that about

him. But back then, I mean, you know, it was early 2000s. He didn't have the technology. And I didn't, I didn't believe in myself to want to pursue it. So you fast forward, I have a friend out here. I live in Phoenix. And he had done TV production for a long time. And he said, you should start a podcast. I didn't even know what a podcast was. I go, okay, yeah, so I had a friend helped me and set it up. And I was, you know, I was like, okay, what's my theme going to be? Like, what am I going to talk about?

Like, what, you know, and I'm like, well, I'll just, I'll just do what interests me. I've always been all those people that likes to kind of bounce around a lot. And so when I started it, it was going to be in person. I wasn't set up to do online or anything. I just thought, oh, I'll go, I love to, I love to run. So that's one of my things I enjoy doing. and so I can go to Flagstaff that's like a mecca for Olympians that are training so you can always find people to talk to up there the chef world in Phoenix I started doing that and then I thought oh I'm just

go to L.A. I love going L.A. anyway and there's always people to connect with there. So I'll go there for a weekend, hang out, do some podcasts and you know and that'll be fun. So I started reaching out to people you know, went to high school and a couple of people at Northeast Ohio where I grew up from that they were pretty successful. in Hollywood. One ended up becoming a writer for the Simpsons and then worked with Mindy Kaling as an executive producer. Another girl became a visual effects producer for Steven Spielberg. And I told you offline, I love boxing. So I thought, oh, maybe I can get Freddie Roach. And that's where it all started. So I was just doing a lot of that, a lot of runners. And then when

COVID hit, that's when things changed because you couldn't do in person anymore. And so, and then you saw the things who were evolving and, you know, it just didn't seem right. And I wanted to do something about that. I wanted not do something, but I wanted to talk to people just to hear, hear those conversations kind of where we're at. And that's when, you know, and then started moving politically. And it's when I met my friend Christina Bob, who was working at One American News. That kind of started getting me down that rabbit hole because I'd have her on regularly and then she, you know, introduced me to Rudy Giuliani and Jim Hawthor with the Gateway Pundit. And then I think from there

Then I went to the medical freedom stuff So it started with Ryan Cole Dr. Ryan Cole And if you're familiar with him Be a great person to talk to And I didn't even know You know, it's so funny shot I didn't even know like

You know, I didn't think anybody would ever listen to me I don't know what your expectations were But I you know I just like oh No one's gonna listen And people after Ryan Cole After Dr. Cole were like Listen to Ryan Cole People like I knew they were like

Listen to him He's amazing. And I'm like, really? You actually listen? Like, and it just kind of blew me away. And then, but from there, he had mentioned doctors that were, you know, like, you dropped names of people that I didn't know because everybody at that time, they won a Robert Malone and Peter McCullough, right?

Those were the two kind of, those are the two, uh, big issues. Yeah. They just come off Rogan. And so I, I, I just started, I, you know, I was like, okay, I write these names down. And it was like collecting cards. That was the joke with the doctors. I'm like, oh, I'm collecting cards, trying to get the whole set here. You know, these scientists or these MDs or whatnot.

So then Molly James, I connected with her on an article that I found on the Gateway Pundit. So I'd read an article from like Zero Hedge or Gateway Pundon or Susan Free Press. And then I would try to find these people and email them. And it was a numbers game. You know, if you ask 10 people, I thought three or four might say yes. And then I started asking people if they'd make a good thing. introductions for me. So I was a high school, I was a telemarketer. That was my first job. So telemarketer, I sold copiers, you know, so I was a bill collector in college too. So the whole

co-calling and, you know, just playing the numbers game was something that I was always pretty good at. So that's helped in this case too, because social media, you know, Twitter is such a huge tool. So kind of a long answer, but I don't think it's a long answer. In my head, I'm thinking like, I find it interesting because, you know, I didn't start the podcast until 2019, but I had the idea in 2018. So you wonder what was cooking around 2018 that got us both in the realm. And, you know, the list of people, you know, you take it before COVID, I'm like, oh, man, that sounds just fascinating. Like, I want to interview all, every the video you just brought up, I'm like, that would be so much fun. Like, that's what I started this for, was fun and entertainment and honestly trying to, uh, I'm

remember I was interviewing tons of hockey players. I just thought, you know, if I could pull out the lessons they've learned from, you know, hard work and dedication and how to respect people and that'd be good for kids to hear, not only myself, but like, you know, you could learn some things from, from athletes because I grew up as an athlete and traveled the world as an athlete and it got me a lot of different places. But, like, even the numbers game, you know, it's an uncomfortable world to be told no. But at the same time, you start playing the numbers game, it's like, listen, if I email 10 of these people, even if one emails me back, that's one more than if I don't do it. And so you just start doing that. And then you, you know, collecting cards, that's great.

Like, that's a great way to look at it. I called it building my resume. Because if you get Peter McCullough, oh, and you get Dr. Malone, now that becomes part of your resume. I got McCullough and I got Malone. And then, I mean, there's a whole list of other cards that you could collect to use your words. I just find, I find the trajectory, honestly, I find the trajectory, Mike, really similar, I guess. which is which is interesting to me and yeah it's interesting that you you land on tom and Alex around the similar time that i'm landing on tom you know like it's it's it's it's um different spots different places but similar timelines i guess yeah i you know tom i i discovered on twitter uh didn't truthfully didn't know much about him and um and it was crazy at that you know i don't

think i've told him this uh but he uh he uh he's coming back on this week, so probably I'll tell him. But I did not know, I did not know what his popularity was if that's, I had no idea. That was the thing with me too with all this. I mean, when I was in sales, when I was cold called people copiers years ago, you had to walk in office and never knowing what it was. I didn't do research on companies. I just like, all right, let's just go in, see what's there. You can look at the exterior of a building and not and think, oh, there's nothing in here. But you can walk in and be like, oh, my God, there's all this opportunity. And that's always been my approach with even just reaching out to people.

I'm like, I'll read a little bit, you know, see what they're, you know, and then reach out. And I did not know Tom's popularity. I mean, people, they love to listen to him. And but I connected with him. I found him. I must have been through Jim Cuncelor. And Jim Cuncelor, have you had him on yet? Yeah, I have, yeah.

A while back. Okay, yeah. So I talked to Jim pretty regularly, and I have mine quite a bit. And I found his article on Citizen Free Press when I was a website, his phone number was listed. I called him and we chatted. That was like three years ago, I think. And, and that's where like, you know. You go, is it that easy, folks?

I'm like, it's that easy sometimes. Sometimes you get lucky like that, right? And, you know, people, I mean, people love, they love to talk to Jim or love to hear Jim. And I mean, he's a super interesting guy, you know. But that was what led me down the road with Tom. I think that's how I found Dave You know it's funny Dave comes down here all the time And we've been doing a lot of joint shows together

I call it coffee in a column And he I think that's how I discovered him through Tom like that whole little circle Because those three go on Tommy Kerrigan's podcast Which is always entertaining But But yeah that took me down that lane

Because then there were all these people Like those guys That were bloggers right bloggers and have really popular websites. I was like, wow, there's a whole other lane here that I didn't even know about, like, you know, the interesting people to speak with that people want to listen to. And so I started building that out. And it's funny.

And you probably experienced the same thing. You have this idea in mind and then you start going down these different lanes. And when I went down the political lane, you know, I was down there for a little, for a while, you know, like Christina Rurug Giuliani, Liz Harrington. I never got Alina Habah. That was somebody that I was always really interested in talking to. But and others as well. I mean, Boris Epstein, Maury Bannon, I've had on here a couple of times.

Jim Hoff from the Gateway Pund and Joe Hofft. But now my regular people that I have come on, I mean, we talk about politics, but they're not like political figures, which is kind of funny because that was never the plan. I mean, none of this was ever the plan. So I don't know if you're experiencing the same thing right now with what you're doing. I'm probably a little more involved in politics, you know, with where I sit. But in saying that, I think, I don't know about your journey, but there's, and once again, I don't know. Mike, do you have kids? Are you married?

No, not married, not kids. Not married, not kids. Interesting. I'm straight. You know, people have asked them before. In fact, there was a conversation with Amad Malik, if you know, Ahmad Malik out of the UK. And he just flat out was like, you know, he's like, straight gay.

I'm like, no, it's straight. Why aren't you married? Why aren't you married? I'm like, I don't know, man. It just didn't happen. It didn't happen yet. I mean, it could still happen, but yeah. So I chuckled with that because.

Well, I mean, at least he's, you know, sometimes being direct is the best, the best course you can just move on. It was just funny. He caught me out guard with that. it was funny. Well, I mean, I guess I don't know about your journey. My journey is it's, it's had ebbs and flows, almost seasons if you would. Um, so I, you know, I was, I drugged my feet with COVID for quite some time because I didn't, we were talking about it a lot, but I was talking sports. And one of the things with sports is, even though it was, it was, you know,

life lessons and more philosophical conversations, if you would, one of the things that I'd been hammered in my head as an athlete is you don't talk politics and you don't talk religion. And so I just stayed away from, you know, conversations that actually matter probably, right? We're not talking about real events and real time. And eventually, I just stopped because I had a couple doctors in the studio. And, you know, I was under the kind of the thought process that we were just going to get through it, right? We're going to get vaccination rates to at 1.6. And they'd open things up and we'd carry on with life. Then it was 70.

I was like, okay, 70. And so I was watching it. I was very naive. And so the first thing I think a person goes to when you're, when you start paying attention as well, we got to get this government out. Right. So, you know, I've, when it comes to politics, um, I, I stumble into that well before I stumbled into Tom and Alex and Dave column and and the list goes on and on and on. And I still talk to, you know, I just had the.

premier, which would be, you know, similar to the governor of your state in studio. I don't know what that was. Three weeks ago, maybe something like that. So I still actively am involved in politics. But, you know, I'm, you know, staring at the world. And, you know, the conversations you're having with lieutenant colonel Stephen Murray or Tom and Alex, for that matter, are the ones that are, I think everyone's paying attention to right now because they're trying to see where we're going.

and I don't know if I don't know if anyone can truly understand maybe you got a better insight than me yeah I mean I just I go on base you know the people that I spoke of them was and I saw you had Stephen Coglin on right yes and I had Stephen Coglin yeah

I just had him on last week now what a fascinating guy yes yes I was spinning after that conversation well I mean I said after I was done it, it might have been one of the most important interviews I've done because, well, he got talking about dialectical warfare, got talking about a bunch of things I'd heard before, but I thought he did at times a very cryptic way of doing it and at times a very brilliant way of explaining how you get caught up in the two-party system or the narrative of the news cycle.

or on and on and on. And yeah, he's, like you say, Mike, I just, yeah, I agree. He's very interesting man. Well, and where I was going with that, you know, it, I have used to Michael Jan. Have you Michael Jan on to? I haven't yet. Nope. Okay.

He's a, he'd be a great one to get on. But he uses the term goes to the kids table. And I've actually used that now in terms of what people talk about, oh, abortion, or, you know, these trivial issues that they're, clinging on to, but they, to me, they don't have an understanding of what's really going on. Not to say that I have a full understanding. And then you listen to Steve Coglin and you're like, man, I get it, but then I had, I had no idea what's going on. Like I get, like, how is my takeaway? I'm like, oh, I get it. I understand anything anymore. I have to reset myself to like,

you know, all these are narratives to get us all in the same umbrella. But you draw one side of the umbrella and I'm on the other side of the umbrella, but we're still under the umbrella. And, you know, so I, I don't, I mean, I'm not optimistic of where we're at where I think this is going. You know, it, you know, I hate to use the word black pill because when you say black pill, that means you're like, don't get out of bed in the morning. And I do. I get out of bed. I do this. I run, you know, I mean, I live in society. But yeah, I'm just, I'm not optimistic where we're at. You know, I don't think an election is going to fix this. Well, where do you think we're going then?

I mean, you're 900 plus episodes. I get told all the time, you know, like, you talk to, I'm talking about myself. What people say is you talk to interesting people all the time, more so than anyone that they know. And I look at you and I go, well, the same can be said about you. You get to talk to all these fantastic minds who are staring at this problem, probably have a greater insight than most Americans. and further out than that, where do you see, like, where are you sitting right now? Like, when you sit here and you're like, huh, well, what would you say? In terms of what, like the election or the economy or?

Let's go the next. Well, I mean, okay, let's go election first. We're what, 20 some days away. You go, well, no, let's start there. Because this has been my biggest fear ever since Trump got shot, ever since I've done a few different roundtables and had different people on, is like the next month is like this window in time where as it gets closer and Trump is still in the lead or it looks to be and et cetera, et cetera,

like the tensions get tightened just ever so slightly or maybe rapidly. So let's go the next 30 days until whoever wins the election. So I think it's a really good question. First of all, I think that the next 30 days, I mean, this is going to continue after 30 days. And even when whoever is inserted into the White House, because that's what I think is installed, this chaos is going to continue. And if people have expectations that it's going to stop after, I don't see it. And it reminds me of 2020. Remember New Year's Eve, people on social media, they're like, oh, goodbye to 2020, bring on 21.

Like the chaos was over. And it was anything but older. And this is going to be the same thing. In fact, I think things are going to accelerate as time goes on. Excuse me. But in terms of the election itself, I expect her to win. And I think for a couple of reasons. One, people might disagree or agree.

But they cheated in 2020. And you don't have to be a rocket science at this point to see that. you know, with the mail and ballots, you know, the ballot harvesting, the Dominion machines. I mean, I had a guy on that was doing an analysis in the state of Georgia in 2020, and he was telling me, like, I could have went into Fulton County where Atlanta is, cast my vote, and then it would appear in a different county with a different selection. I mean, this is, and he didn't get access to everything in 2020 either. So, you know, they were, they were, they did a recount. but it was like a controlled recount.

You know what I mean? Like it was, it was, that was one of those conversations, but I'm like, I'm like, well, okay, so it doesn't sound like this was not, it wouldn't, they didn't do it the way you should have. They should be giving people full access. And they didn't. And the courts, they had all these cases going in. They all got shot down. Supreme Court didn't want to hear it.

And then 22, I mean, they, you know, Arizona where I live, they stalled, they stalled, they stalled. they stalled. The secretary of state certified her own election to become the governor. I mean, when is anybody, how is that normal? She didn't recuse herself during the election. She certified her own election. And it took them, I don't know how many days after her to complete the count. And the same thing.

Lawsuits, lawsuits, all these suits came in. Shot down, shot down, shot down, shot down, shot down. Well, I look at 24, and nothing's changed. I know our Harvey Dillon just got appointed the election integrity attorney for the GOP in Arizona last week. But, I mean, we're a couple weeks away from the election. I don't know how much you can change things at this point. Nothing in the process is different. So I don't expect the outcome to be any different.

I mean, we've got, what is it, 40 million plus new illegals in this country here now. And, I mean, if people don't think that, they've been registered to vote, you're, I mean, you're naive. So you've got that. You know, I don't know, the machines, the Dominion machines, if that was ever straighted out, I mean, it wasn't in Arizona. Nothing has changed in the process here in Arizona, as far as I know. So, you know, I think it'll be really, really close.

That's what they'll do. They'll make it so, so close. And I think she'll be installed. Hmm. I had Martin Armstrong. on a couple weeks ago. And he was talking about, well, he would ask Socrates

on the, on the stinking show. And it showed Trump winning 60, 40. Really? Now, once again, what do you make of that? I don't know. How long ago was that? Two, three weeks, roughly.

It's been in the last, in the last month. Okay. Because I had him on two weeks ago now, I think. It was in September, right at the end of September. Now you're making me second guess myself, because I feel like he said that Kamala was going to win, but maybe I could be wrong.

What he said, though, is no matter what, sorry, no matter what the election, the outcome, the other side won't accept it. And then he felt that unrest will come from that. Yeah, but what, so I guess to you, what does that mean? Actually, before I get to that question, I'm going to look it up right now. I just want to pull it up real quick.

September 16th he was on. So what is that? That's actually almost a month ago. And he asked on and he goes, I don't, he's like, I don't see how this is possible, but it's showing, you know, one of a one of, you know, in American history, a landslide win for Trump, which, you know, isn't like 80 to 20. It's 60, 40 or somewhere in that, that range. But he said he himself didn't believe it.

And the other thing that we talked about was that, you know, no, The other side isn't going to believe it. Like, that's where the United States is at. So there's going to be, you know, chaos that ensues. But I don't understand, you know, in my mind, I have a Hollywood version of what that looks like. You know, enter in Civil War. And I haven't even watched the dang movie. So I can't even actually say what they were putting out there for what they thought the United States is going to break down to.

But, I mean, what do you make? Like, where does your head go sitting where you're at or after the election day and, you know, tensions continue to tighten and people are very frustrated. They don't believe it's going to be a, you know, no matter who wins, they're going to be, you know, believing that the other side stuff the ballot box. Like, where do you get to? I don't see any of that. You know, people disagree with me.

Military people disagree with me. You know, Steve and I talk about Steve Murray and I talk about that. I don't see it. And I look at it like when I'm out and about, when I'm in a store, when I'm somewhere, how many people in a store, for example, I'm going to a store, you and I are sitting there talking like this, right, having coffee. Sure. And how many people would want to listen to what you and I are talking about?

How many people are even aware of what you and I are talking about, right? And I come back to that and I think people don't have the sight in them. Last week, so funny, last week, I'm leaving, I do a lot of yoga. So I'm leaving, I'm leaving a yoga class. I'm talking to a couple of people, a couple of women, and it's, you know, the sun is setting earlier here. You know, moving in the winter, it's 6.30, the sun's dark. And usually I'll wait, you know, for them, so I have to walk out by themselves. And I said, where are you parked?

And they sit in the back. I go, why do you park back there, right? Why don't you park in the front where it's like there's a gas station, there's people, rather than a back alleyway? It's visible. Yeah. Right, right. And I said, do you know, like, there are a cartels. in Arizona.

Like, do you know that? And they're like, well, no. I'm like, okay, don't you, like, if somebody gets you back there, it's dark, you're not going to have time to grab your phone and get away. You know what the response was? Well, this is Scottsdale. I go, Sean, I go, this is the problem. I went off on a tangent to them.

Probably hate me now. I go, this is the problem. It's people like you because you're just blissfully unaware. Blissfully unaware. lae yad la la la la everything's going to be fine i can't get hurt armed nothing like i don't need to pay attention where's my ex vacation where am i having drinks at this week you know like i just i don't see the i don't see the fight in people here's another example and where i grew up a town called strongsville and uh think a suburb outside of cleveland 40 50 000 people nice nice community nice you know

a good place to grow up still a good place to grow up still a good place to live. They passed into schools, sixth grade up through 12th grade, the school can randomly drug test kids for extracurricular activities, being sports, probably broader extracurricular, and then driving to school. They can randomly drug test you. I'm like, I'm not a parent, but that just sounds a little, you know, that's a little intrusive to me. And so I put it out on Facebook, and a couple people responded. like, you know, well, we're looking into this and we're just trying to, you know, figure it all out. And then one girl goes, who lives out here who grew up where I grew up and said, oh, we've been

doing it our school, you know, for a number of years now. It's fine. And I'm just like, yeah. So the school can come to a sixth grader and randomly drug test them. Like, you don't have a problem with that. Like, I mean, am I, am I wrong here? Like, so it's like these types of things. But yet these same people, they have drinks all the time. Browns football, they're very mad, upset about the Browns losing, right? Like those are the things they get you in a bad mood. Not the fact that the state has come in and they can randomly drunk test your kid. So I look at all that.

I'm just like, people just don't get it. They just don't get it. And I thought, you know, and I thought maybe people woke up from COVID, you know. But I think people would comply again. I think the same percentages would. Maybe a little bit more. I don't think they'd fall for COVID. But, you know, you had that port strike that just got, you know, got short-term resolved.

People were scrambling to buy toilet paper again. And you're just like, man, our society just, we don't get it. And we've been pacified so much, you know, people just, they're just weak. I mean, don't take away their Netflix. Don't take away their phones. You know, I mean, you could have the Second Amendment all day long, but didn't really help in COVID. You know, people just surrendered. They complied.

It's funny. You say they surrendered and complied. And I think you don't know what surrender and comply looks like because here in Canada, it was surrender and comply. But maybe I'm, you know, like it's different levels of that. Because we looked at parts of the states and went, we all want to be there. because of what went on here in Canada. Like here in Canada, it was surrender and comply. It was wild, wild times to go back and think about.

And it's interesting to hear Americans talk about surrendering comply. To my eyes, that's, I mean, was there places that revolted sooner and better and didn't go into the, certainly. But I don't know, maybe, you know, you're the guy sitting in it. Yeah, I mean, I can't compare it to Canada. I mean, I've always felt with my experience with Canadians, because a lot of them will come down here and buy property in Phoenix. And this is a hot spot for them. So I would, you know, randomly, you know, be out and talking to people. And I worked in banking in my previous life.

So, you know, you come across Canadian investors that people have been living here for the winter. And I feel like the reoccurring theme I'd always I'd always hear is how trusting they were the government in terms of, oh, our health care system. It's, you know, it's socialized medicine. You go in, you don't have to pay for anything. And I didn't hear too many negatives about it. It's one thing that always stuck out to me. But yet they'd come here for like specific types of procedures or surgeries, right? They'd fly into the United States board if they had the means to do it.

So I always feel like the Canadians to me were just, they're very trusting of their government, kind of like Australia or New Zealand. Everything's fine until it's not fine anymore. And maybe here it's, and again, I'm correct me here because I'm saying, I don't live in Canada, but here people are, some are less trustworthy. I think, you know, our history is all built around the Constitution and the Second Amendment. First Amendment as well, it's why they're trying to take down the First Amendment because if you take down the First Amendment, it's a lot easier. You know, the second, it's kind of the Second Amendment is not as meaningful if you take out the First Amendment. it. But, you know, this country was built on guns and being able to defend yourself.

So maybe that's where the differentiator is. Well, we talk lots about how, I mean, Americans fought for their independence. So that's in your collective history. We were granted our, I don't even know, what am I calling it, folks, fictional freedom? Like, you know, it's like we're still beholden to the monarchy for Pete's sake, were this country that, you know, listen, if you would ask me five years ago, maybe even less, if I trust the government to have my absolute best interest at heart, I probably would have said yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Absolutely. I would have too, Sean. Look, I would have too. And here we said.

Attention to this stuff, did you? I mean, I didn't pay attention to stuff like I do today. What got you paying attention? It was COVID. What part of COVID all of a sudden had you locked in going, wait a second, that doesn't make any sense. It was true thing. Well, three things. One, in the beginning, I actually, I didn't know, you know, I was like, God, they shut Vegas down. I mean, that's serious. Like, you could have a heart attack on a blackjack table, and they wouldn't even shut that

down. So they're, like, close in the casinos and stuff. Like, you could die really right next to your spot. And they'll hold your spot for you. I don't think they'd close out the table, let alone. Yeah. So when they shut the casinos down, I was like, Jesus, maybe this is real. And so initially I was like, okay, maybe I need to take this more seriously.

People were calling me trying to, you know, not intimidate, but like, you need to take this more seriously. I'm like, maybe I'm wrong. I'm like, this just doesn't sound right. And it was a couple things. A friend of mine in healthcare explained something to me about the classification of deaths, which later came out. And so I saw that. And then when I saw Governor Britsker, Illinois, his wife snuck down to their second home in Florida.

Like right the beginning of April and a March, something like that, and it was on the news. And then I asked him about it. He's like, well, there was a time when politics and personal life didn't mix. And I'd like to go back to that. And that was all he said. And I'm like, bitch, nonviolently took over the country. Like they literally just hoodwinked the whole United States. And then I read an article where they were saying, and I never kept the article, and I wish I would have, but I can't find it now.

But they were talking about how basically if the country surrenders to a two-week lockdown and then another 30-day lockdown, it will never be the same. It will never go back to what life was like before. And when I read that, I was like, oh, this is it. This is it. Because it was right after that, April, we're going to shut down for the month of April. And that's what I knew. I'm like, oh, this is a. They nonviolet took over the country and life will never be what it was before COVID.

So, yeah. And, and, yeah. You know, you guys are, oh, man, you're trillions upon trillions debt. You know, when I asked, what do you see coming in the, you know, in the near future? And you asked, well, what do you mean? Okay. I'll flip. I'll change gears on you then because, you know, you're talking about.

while I don't see Civil War because, honestly, people don't get what the heck's going on. And they're just too lazy. People are lazy. People are fat. I mean, it is what it is. Look at, I, you know, I say this kind of tongue and cheek, but it's true. I used to wait, I'm only 5 foot 5. I used to weigh 280 pounds.

I sit around today, I don't know, 150. You used to weigh 285 pounds at 5 foot 5? 280, just under 280. Yeah, just under 280. Okay, you were a big boy. I was huge. Yeah, it was huge. I was a 42-inch waist and those were tight on me.

Yeah. And I never, you know, I went up. How long ago was this? How long ago? That was in 2009, 2009 and 2010. So what snap for you that you change? Because obviously, you're buck 50 now. Is that what you said, buck 60?

Yeah. No, no. Like around 150, 151. Okay. So you're a buck 50, you run all the time you've mentioned. So what happens back in 2009 that you're like, I've got to change something? Well, I couldn't button my top button on my shirt. They had an executive at the bank I was working at the time, and he drove up to our location.

And I couldn't button it up to get the tie on. And so that was like a really low moment. But I had an ups and downs. You know, I had ups and downs in terms of like doing better and then, you know, would go backwards for a bit and, you know, start drinking sodas again and whatnot. So it wasn't, it wasn't really, I mean, last year, I was, I was actually back up to 200. I was down to 160, 170, and then I was 200 in middle of last year. And my conversation with Amad Malik, which he'd be a good guy to have on his show, UK Freedom Doctor.

And he had said to me, he's like, you know, would you eat today? And he started grilling me. First he was going about if I was straight if I was gay, you know, in a funny way. But that it was like, would you eat today? I'm like, man, I'm in the hot seat. Like, and I was telling, listen to all the things I had eaten. And he said, you can't be an anti-vax person and eat like shit, pardon my language. Eat bad food.

Sorry. Is it okay to swear on here? It certainly is. Oh, okay. So I eat terrible food. And, you know, he was right. I mean, I can't eat Doritos and then be like an anti-vaxer because that food is just terrible for you. So I started down that path of just moving my increasing my meat consumption, eating big salads.

And then the beginning of this year, I went carnivore. And I went off carnivore for a little bit. And now I'm back on. I've been on carnivore for like three months or something. So yeah. So I, but I look at things totally differently now, like in terms of way I eat and stuff. Like things I thought were okay back then, I just don't have anymore. You know, a treat for me is like to have some cheese,

average on cheese or something, pretty good. But I don't drink soda, you know, I was a big sugar, cookies, brownies, pumpkin bread, right? This is pumpkin bread season. I just stay away from all that now. I don't drink alcohol anymore. Yeah. How long you've been, how long you've been off alcohol? It'd be a year and a half.

But it wasn't one of those things where I was like, you know, I could take. I could take it or leave it. When I was younger, I drank a lot, but I could take it or leave it. It was the cookies and the brownies and those types of things that would really like, you know, I was eating a lot of that. But so getting back to it, it's like, you know, I, and not to, you know, anybody could do it. But we've just become so lazy and we don't hold ourselves accountable for anything. And people still have a lot to lose.

And they're not going to risk anything if they feel like they have a lot to lose. So I don't see a civil war coming in November or December. I'm not saying it might not happen at some point, but I just, I don't see it. Even if 40 million people, well, it won't be all 40 million, obviously, but even if a healthy chunk of the people that are now illegal immigrants unleash on the United States? I mean, it could happen, right? I mean, you know, people talk about that. But I also think, I mean, the government, are they ever going to stop providing aid to them?

I mean, these people, you know, they want to change the fabric of this country and they have. And that's what it's really all about, right? I mean, planning these people all over the place, you know, they're very tribal. They'll have kids. And you literally, I mean, this country is not every year, every decade. It just gets worse and worse. That's where I think this is all going. Just slow burn like Jim talks about.

every year it just gets worse and worse and worse. All right. Then look a little further out. 2030 seems to be if, well, I tell you what, 2030 is the one all the globalists talk about, right? I've got to be this by 2030. All the goals set to 2030. But Martin Armstrong talks about 2032,

and he's talked about that date for a long time. And, you know, end of, well, cyclical nature, but the end of ages or end of an age in that time frame. When you extrapolate a little further out and you go, every year it's going to get a little worse and a little worse, if you could hop into 2030 and give a hypothesis of where you think this is going, Mike, where would you, where would the United States be? You know, if you and I would have spoke a year ago,

I would have said by this time next year, and I'd said this, it's going to be very hard to travel this country. I feel like they're going to find a way to lock things down. and they're going to, you know, if we have an election. You know, I was on that, I was on that, that board, that, that, I was on that carousel. Now you look at, if you look at 2030, I think if we fast forward, like, just like if we went back six years ago, I mean, night and day difference, right? I mean, night and day difference in your everyday life.

So, I don't know. I mean, do I see like a Matt Mac scenario in 2030? No, I don't. how bad will it be by then? I never thought the system would last this long, but they just keep finding a way to keep it going. So, I mean, I agree with, you know, people say we're at the end of the empire,

but that empire, it's a big system. It can go for a long time. I mean, it could be another 20 years before we have a pullout. Could be another 200 years. Could. It could be tomorrow, too. Right? I mean, there could be some type of black swan event,

like, you know, maybe another pandemic or, you know, if we have runaway inflation, that could, that could really escalate things. I mean, that's something to keep an eye on. Because right now, it seems like they can't get this inflation under control. I mean, it's not, it's not rising as quickly, but things aren't cheaper. You know, they're not back to the pre-2020 levels, pre-Jote, you know, Trump era. So, I mean, that could play a part in it.

But, you know, one thing about these people, too, on the financial side of it, I mean, they're very creative. They're very creative how they can keep this thing afloat. Because there's no way it should have ever lasted this long. What do you think? Well, I just go, I just play out several scenarios. And I go to it, I never thought they'd shoot Trump. I honestly didn't think that. So I guess I'm, I was maybe, well, I still am.

I'm the eternal optimist. Like we can still turn things around. That good people can hear these conversations and good things can come out of it. And I'm not saying that the planet needs saving, just that like something maybe better can come out of what we're currently in. So I never thought they'd shoot Trump. But Luongo, Craneer, and others had talked about it so much. And when it happened, I was almost like in this surreal moment in time, I got, I can't, I can't believe that just happened. and I was, I'm good friends with some military people here in Canada,

kind of like yourself with guys in the States. And I was sitting in Boise, Idaho, at a hotel. And it was on the news. Like it was literally, you know, you get up for breakfast at the hotel, and you go down for continental breakfast, and you're sitting there, and it's playing on the news. And everybody's just talking. And I, you know, like being where I sit,

I probably had like 50 texts that morning saying, holy crap, right? It was the morning after, I guess. And I was looking around the room. Because I, you know, like when you go around like, people just don't get it, there was one older gentleman. I'm going to say, you know, late 50s, early 60s, and we blocked eyes, nodded, and went back to watching. And I'm like, that's only two people in the entire out of 50 people eating continental breakfast in a hotel in the United States, in a red state, I believe. right Idaho would be a very what did I get told they love her they love their guns there I'm like okay in and now in fairness people are probably traveling through because it's a hotel in Boise but

regardless I'm looking around and nobody's unnerved by the fact your president just got shot in the head and I or former president I guess and I'm looking around and I'm like this is probably more unnerving than him actually getting shot in that right is like I thought there'd be more chaos more nerves more whatever so when you when you talk about that I'm like I actually completely agree but I I can't you know everybody thought COVID was going a certain way and then the truckers in Ottawa went to Ottawa here in Canada and completely flipped the table and something has evolved from that so I look you know I stare at Martin Armstrong and he talks about 2032 so much that he has me convinced something will be drastically changed by there how does it happen does it happen

by a second pandemic, possibly. I mean, they have different things they're talking about. We all make fun of monkeypox or M-pox or Marburg, I think is how I pronounce the other one. And there's other ones floating around like that. I mean, obviously, the financial spot of either of our countries is not exactly great. But as you've pointed out, man, they just find a way to keep kicking it down the lane. and you think it's going to be next year or the next day. I mean, just go watch the big short

and just watch Christian Bale's character lose his mind as he's like, I don't know why this isn't, you know, working or, or, you know, how it can keep or Steve Carell. And so I agree with you. But I also think a guy's got to kind of prepare like it could happen tomorrow because I don't know what's going to set this off. It feels like there could be 15 different.

different things that set it off, maybe more. And they're all at play right now. And it's just whether or not that's going to actually trigger things to, you know, spiral things real fast or unravel things real fast. That's probably what I would say. I guess that is wrong thing. Yeah, I mean, you know, when the Trump, when the first assassination attempt, I agree with you. It was like, man, where are we?

This is bizarre a world. And like the story washed away so fast, right? It was just like they pushed it, you know, it was a goal life. It was almost like it wasn't a big deal. So he survived. I don't know what, you know, like. But that also goes back to, you know, I heard after 2020 there's going to be civil unrest, right? You know, and then we can get into the whole January 6th thing.

But, you know, I don't know. I mean, that was not, that was not a insurrection. And I talked to people that were there that day. I mean, you know, Christina was working at One American News. They made her go downstairs and leave all our equipment behind. and so many bizarre things about, you know, which you and I both have read about, but also like people that I've spoken with, you know, different aspects of it. But, you know, people say, oh, Trump gets indicted. That's it. That's going to set it off. Well, that happened. Several states.

Federal level. Nothing. Nothing. They tried to kill once, right? The bullets of the ear. and then you had the guy that wasn't far from him down in his golf course and blanking out in Florida. But in Marlago, not far from Marlago. Again, no uprising, no nothing, right? So these things aren't happening. Is this another still election going to just set people off? I don't see it.

I mean, I'm just looking, you know, at prior events. Now, Western North Carolina and that hurricane damage, that could have set some things off. That, something like that. In fact, I was even thinking, I'm like, God, could this be a trigger? Because, you know, you prevent people from visiting their loved ones. That's a, that's a whole different ballgame there. Well, here.

Versus stealing an election. The big thing that's come out in Canada, here just this past week. We had a big forest fire in Jasper. I'm not sure if you're familiar with Jasper or that neck of the woods in the mountains, but it's a big tourist destination, right? Beloved by Albertans, it's just like this iconic place to take your family in the mountains, et cetera, et cetera, and a big forest fire goes through.

And, you know, lots of tinfoil hat or conspiracy theorists come out with all these different theories on, you know, the government did this and this and this. and this happened and they weren't allowing this in and on and on and on. Well, everything that was pretty much said is now pretty much verifiably true in our government. So they stopped doing prescribed burns because they were worried about how it would look with the population that they were burning forest down, even though it helps stop giant forest fires. They stopped logging. And I've had different people come on from the logging industry to talk about why that, you know,

it may look poor, but it actually prevents. a forest fire from doing exactly what it was. Then the latest has been they had roughly 50 firefighters show up with trucks and everything to help prevent it and they wouldn't allow them in. And this is now on record

and it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse and our own government is doing it. And you go, so is that nefarious? They wanted Jaspers and other places to burn down so they could push the climate agenda and that or is it where we're at as a nation

and we're so ineptly stupid with all of our red tape and rules and oh, you can't go in the fire unless you sign the waiver and you have insurance and we can't have that. We can't pay instead of just going and putting the stupid fire route. Right. It's this, it reminds me, I read Atlas shrugged through the summer on the road trip we did through the States. And DEI for us is exactly what they're battling in that book. You know, and Anne Rand wrote that, you know, in the 50s. and DEI we're just we're just seeing it like New Zealand had the this past week had the 100 million dollar shipping vessel run into the reef and burned in sink in 15 minutes at a lesbian captain and I'm not

saying lesbians can't be great naval captains but we all know that's a DEI hire we all know that she was put there because of how it would look and then boom ship it's a reef and you lose a hundred million dollar vessel off the coast of New Zealand. You're like, this is happening everywhere. So is it nefarious? Is it nefarious plus stupidity? Or is it this idea, you know, like I, I don't know, because I stare at this. And I agree so much with what you're saying. Because are we going to all of a sudden have hot war like, you know, it's going to, it's going to go kinetic like that? Every military guy I said figures at some point it goes kinetic. But me and you sit here in interval of all these people. and you go, but how does it ever just get there

until probably one day just goes, and I don't know what that looks like. I probably don't want to know what that looks like. No, for sure. I mean, when people use that term civil war, you know, it's, I've had opportunities. I never got on a recording, but you talk to people that I've been in countries

where the government's collapsed, like they've been there before, during, and after, and it's absolutely terrifying. Hopefully, I hope they can get on a recording one of these days, even just for myself to go back and listen to it. But, you know, the whole idea of kinetic, They don't need to do that, right? I mean, that's the thing with the government here in the United States.

They're like the mob. They have big tech. So they want to target you and I. First of all, we're small enough. They could just, you know, Rubble could cancel us. YouTube could step on the back of our neck. And that's it. We're done.

You know, so they can debank us. They could turn off our credit cards. You know, those types of things. are going to be more impactful without them ever having to fire a shot. So how do you take down, you know, institutions like that? That's where I don't get the whole guns and, excuse me, guns to the street type of thing. It's like, okay, all right, I got my AR. I'm in the center of the street.

Now what am I going to do? What am I going to do? Where am I going to shoot at? An empty building, right? You're going up against a machine that includes big tech. You cannot defeat that. not in conventional way so that's why I just don't see a type of civil unrest

not in the short term so where are you where are you putting your focus then like where does Mike you know if you don't foresee that coming but you do foresee like well economically the states is in tough you know for a myriad of reasons, as is Canada, folks. And you look at the political atmosphere and you just looking at all the different things

and you could go down the black pill route and never get out of bed, but you've already pointed out, I'm not there. Where do you put your- How long, sorry, I interrupted, but how long can you lay there for? Right? Like, you know, laying in bed and just ponder all day? They just stare at the ceiling. I don't know.

I mean, you've got to get out of bed, right? And see what's going on. I agree. I guess I've never been blackpilled enough to, to, I think there are, I just, I think we've been really conditioned to look at things in such short-term ways. I think when I started interviewing doctors and lawyers, professors, et cetera, I was thinking in terms of like months, we'll be out of this months. And they'd all stare at me like I was, you know, probably stupid.

back then, I was pretty naive. That's not stupid, though. I'm cutting you off again. That's not stupid. I mean, I was at that place, too, you know, where I thought that. I'm like, oh, there's a better road ahead. There's a better road ahead. And I'm not saying at some point there might not be a better road ahead.

But you just have to look at where we're at, right? I mean, I did a conversation with Rudy haven't seen in Dave Collum the other day. And, you know, they were talking about, you know, Rudy was saying, well, I'm hopeful. And I've come to really hate that word now. I hate that word hopeful because to me, it's fine if you feel that way, but like, okay, that's not a strategy, though. Let's look at where we really are, right? I mean, objectively, where are we at?

And you look at all the institutions in America, you're just not voting your way out of this, right? The Department of Education, our health care system, Department of Justice, Department of Defense, the FBI, the CIA. And I'm not saying there's not good people in those agencies. But at the top level, they're so rotted to the core. You can't salvage it. The whole thing has to come down and be rebuilt.

Now, what would a rebuild look like? That's what the architects are. The good guys might not be overseeing the reconstruction. But no one's going to allow that. I'm probably going down without a fight. And, you know, so that's why I just, I don't think we're there yet. And we will get there. I mean, it is collapsing.

Every year, it gets worse, worse, worse. But, you know, when will the kind of the bottom or the floor? What will that occur? And that's, you know, what we were talking about earlier. I don't know. When you look at Donald Trump surrounding himself with RFK Jr. and Elon Musk and Tulsi Gabbard and J.D. Vance. And I don't know, the list goes, it seems like it goes on and on and on.

Are you at all, and I'm going to use the word so I can annoy you, hopeful, that they could walk in and actually do something. Are you just like, there's no way? No, I mean, look, I mean, Trump could possibly buy some time. But this whole idea of like, people think he's a savior and like he's going to make all these problems go away. I mean, the problems are much better than that. I've been very critical of him, to be honest, to this go-around. I don't, I don't, there's things that he's doing that I just don't like.

What are some things he's doing? Yeah, what are some things he's doing? I don't like the whole choice thing. I don't like the fact that Melania last week, you know, promoting her book, makes it a point to say it's, you know, women's body of women's choice. Because all the Republicans ever do is compromise and pander. And they're just, and they become this worthless. I don't even know what the Republican Party is anymore.

They're just worthless. worthless. So that's the one thing. Do you, do you, I might be just shifting gears, apologies, folks from my brain today. Do you think it's high time for a politician or, you know, whatever, a new type of politician maybe, where they just stop pandering? I mean, just like, this is what I think. Man, I'm just going to, you know, like, call me whatever you want to call me,

but they just stop doing that exactly what you're talking about. Well, I think he did that in 15 and 16, right? And that's why people resonated with him so much. And he was like that breath and fresh air because he was like, you know, I don't need your money. I, you know, I'm an independent. And I mean, he was never true conservative. But man, this go around, I mean, just some of the stuff that his campaign has been doing, it's just as like, I don't even know what the Republican Party is anymore.

You know, I mean, I people, people reached out to me. They were like, you know, the RNC convention. I was very hopeful after that. I'm like, really? Why? That was so frigging boring. And the messaging is just like, I mean, they had a porn star up there as a spokesperson.

Like, where are we at here? Like, where? Slutwalk, the founder of Slutwalk. And, you know, since we're on that topic, you know, even with J.D. Vance. And people, they accuse me of whining about this, but I can't get an answer. how does the guy meet Peter Thiel in law school?

Then goes on and writes a book published by Rupert Murdoch's publishing company that gets made into a movie directed by Ron Howard. He's set up on a venture, it was a venture capital group. I get funded by Peter Thiel. He's only been a politician for two years. Doesn't it, don't you find that? And he's changed his name three or four times. It's weird.

How do you meet Peter Tee? I mean, that's like, you know, the ball bounces our way in life. Sometimes it doesn't. For this guy, I mean, it's a Grand Slam Plus every swing. He goes from being a broke law school student to meet Peter Thiel to setting up a venture capital group, becoming a multi-millionaire and writing a top-selling or best-selling book that gets made into a movie directed by Ron Howard. I mean, isn't that, that's weird.

Well, you just go, there's more. to it than that, right? I mean, um, the Democrats or in our case, the liberals, don't have the only playbook out there, right? Like there, there is a playbook or a series of levers that can be pulled maybe. And they both pull them or they both do it. I mean, so when you point out J.D. events. It's like, I don't know. It doesn't shock me. At this point, I'm just like, you know, like the guy who's about to be our next prime minister, okay? I mean, unless you go down, you go down kind of what you were talking about with I just, I just, you know, I don't see these things, this carousel of events playing out that people, how about I'm kind of off that?

I look at Canada and I go, well, our prime minister right now, Justin Trudeau is probably the laughing stock of the entire world. Even the west. who put you know like that have got them as their their their their they're they're ace in the hole is going oh man just just stop talking you're killing us here you're making this look like fools the next guy in is pierre poliov and like i don't mind pier poliof but at least i can sit there and go i don't know he's a pulse like if the entire country is for something he's going to be for if the entire country he's against something, he's probably going to be against it.

And in the meantime, he's a great speaker, but I've come to learn that it doesn't matter how good of a speaker you are as a politician. Those are probably the most dangerous because they can talk their way out of problems over and over again and put everybody back to ease. Oh, yeah, we'll put everybody back to ease. We'll put everybody back to ease.

And yet we stare at where we're at in this world and we're like, I don't need that anymore. I just need to be, but once again, maybe I'm the oddity. Like I just need plain English. English walk in. Tell it like it is. Okay, fair enough. That sucks. Move on with life and let's, let's carry on. But politicians, you know, the best speaking ones, which we're about to have in Canada, still supports Ukraine and the, you know, in the Russia-Ukraine war. And you go, well, that'd be a death sentence to not not support it. It's like, but, but do you not follow what the hell is going on?

Or are you just going to, we're just going to walk into World War III? That's what we're going to do. You're never going to have a, you're going to get to a point where you're the leader of this country and you just go, no, we can't do these things? Like, do I think that happens overnight? Probably not. It's probably compromised 10 ways to Sunday. And, you know, like when it was the trucker convoy and everybody in their dog was supporting it in Canada, he wasn't the first guy out the door. He waited and waited. One million marks for children, which was about parental rights. He told all of his, his people not to comment on it. You're like, this is going to be our new leader of the free, free Canada. Canada? Is he going to be better than Justin Trudeau? Oh, for sure. Is Trump going to be better than Biden if he gets in? For sure. But like what you're talking about, is it just putting the brakes on what's happening for a few extra years? You're probably closer to the mark than most. Well, and even, you know, Trump makes these promises like they all do. Oh, tax cuts. Okay. But they're not going to stop spending. They're never going to stop spending. And the deficits are so beyond, it doesn't

even matter anymore. It's monopoly money. You know, he's talking about drill baby drill. We're going to drill oil. Okay. You can't do that in a week. It's not a light switch. You can just flick it. And all of a sudden the oil is just going to flow out like the end of Mad Max Fury Road, right, when they turn the water on. It's a great movie. But that's the other thing too. I love like 80s, 90s. You know, I love movies. But yeah, I mean, so the whole idea of like, okay, we're going to tear up the hell out of China. I mean, I don't agree with that. But again, I mean, to build manufacturing and bring that back here, it just takes time.

It takes years to do that. Well, I mean, to switch over to nuclear, even modular nuclear, right, like the small ones, two years at least. and that's not all the paperwork and everything else. So like, this is one of the things that I've learned in roughly the same amount of episodes is like, oh, this is a decades-long battle. This might be the next 100-year battle. And a bullet might not even be shot, as you pointed out so eloquently earlier on in this chat.

Well, he also talks about mass deportation. It's never going to happen. It's never going to happen. What are you going to do? You're going to round people up and put them on a slight. And you're going to have one plane going to Venezuela, one plane going to Afghanistan. Or are you going to put like third, third and third? Oh, here's your stop in Guatemala.

Get off. Next stop, Venezuela. I mean, it's just, you can be hopeful all you want, but let's just be realistic. That's never going to happen. You're not going to get an argument out of me. And the whole, and he wants to do legal immigration. Well, you know what? We got enough here right now.

Let's focus on, you know, the victims in North Carolina, Georgia, South Carolina, the hurricane victims. We have a homeless population. We have a drug problem here. Our kids are a mess. We don't need legal immigration right now. That's, yeah. But, you know, no one's listening to me, but you right now. So what do I know, Sean?

That's my license. I don't know anything. Well, I mean, he's talking about legal immigration. He's like, oh, we're going to give legal immigration. Okay. What, how is that going to help? It's not going to help me. It's not going to help individuals that are struggling.

I know, I know. Not trying to bring you down. No, you're not, but you're not bringing me down. I find it very, I actually find, honestly, none of what you says really shocks me. It's, you know, like, you asked if I was into politics. And one of the things about politics that really has, I don't know, been an eye opener, right? Is you've watched the right people get into politics. And then you've waited for some of these big monumental things that probably aren't that big and monumental to happen.

And although they might happen kind of sort of, they're kind of political answers, you know? Like, how come we don't have a country in the world that's just outlawed the MRI technology? The COVID jet, just done. How come, you know, like we don't have a jurisdiction or a country or something, you know, like start to just like open up the, you know, North America, the United States is, you know, Canada is just as bad as the United States for obesity and, and like what's going on and how many people are on different drugs and the pharmaceutical companies and on and on and on. And yet like, you know, when you talk about people having their head in the sand, these are the big

things that are going on and people are just kind of like, that's not that bad. Or they don't notice it. Or they just write it off as other things. I don't know. It's, I keep waiting for a politician walking and do that. That was probably the biggest surprise I had because I just assumed that would happen, especially after COVID, especially after the truckers went. I just thought those things would happen really fast.

And that has been anything but. Yeah. Yeah. That was one of the most inspiring things, man, when the Canadian truckers did that. You know, I wish it would have happened in America first, obviously, you know, living here. But when I saw that they did that, I say, wow, you know, finally the people. And it shows the impact that the people could have that they just woke up and had a set of balls on them, you know. But also, I mean, it's, you know, as you were, as you were some of these things you were describing,

I put an idea on my head of like, you know, 2020, I was on the campaign. I thought the military would come in. never read the Q or any of that stuff, but like I thought military would come in and, you know, they clean out all the bad people and Trump would stay in office and, you know, that didn't happen. And then it was, you know, the Durham report, the infamous Durham report, right? Came out, nothing resulted in nothing. Then they did the audit here in Arizona with the cyber ninjas. Summer 21, nothing came of it. The Attorney General, the Attorney General Mark Bernovich didn't do anything with it.

You know, trying to impeach Biden. Never tried. Fauci, right? When Republicans took over the house, Fauci was going to be capital more than anybody. Yeah, what's going on with him? Nothing. Nothing. Enjoying his pension and probably large speaking engagements.

So it's like all these things. It's like, what else do I have to go on? right now, right? I mean, it's just, you know, these institutions to me, they're just so far gone. You know, a couple of minutes left here before I let you out. I was thinking before we started. I had Stephen Murray on, and he scared the crap out of me. I was like, he listed off about four dates about possible, you know, like terrorist attacks and everything. I was like, holy crap, right? It was the first time I'd ever had them on. I'd listen to you guys talk.

But for some reason, listening to somebody talk and being across from in the chair is just two different things. Probably you would agree, I hope. And I don't know. Where I was thinking this morning is it almost seems quiet right now. Like there's this lull. Even though the elections right around the corner, even though you got Iran who let off a bomb, possibly nuclear in the middle of somewhere, and it showed up on seismic. And then the attacks going back and forth between Israel and it seems.

It seems like every country in the Middle East right now. And you got all this filibusering story. And then right now it just seems almost quiet. Almost like you're in the eye of the storm and you don't realize it. But I don't know. Are am I wrong? Does it seem quiet to you on your end? Maybe it's louder than ever.

Yeah, I wouldn't say it's quiet. This is very weird to me out there. But then I think to myself, I'm like, well, you and I pay attention to this stuff more closely than most people. So it's more amplified to us that it just seems. And especially, I think for me, it's like you've been talking about the election all year, where you think it's going to go and, you know, outcomes and who is going to be the nominees. And we're getting to a point where we're here, right? And we're going to, we're going to know the results very, very soon.

I mean, I've had stretches where it felt very uneasy to me. And like, would the pager blow up, you know, when Israel did that? That was very uneasy to me. Because Steve and I talked about this, since he pointed this out, that crossed the new red line of warfare. and and then the fact that people were celebrating that right they were celebrating these pagers blowing up and i mean it wounded almost 3 000 people i wasn't celebrating that like i'm never gonna i'm never going to i'm never going to call on people to like kill other people like that just is crazy to me and yet so it's just that was like i i mean that was that was just very very uneasy

and then you saw iran's response um and you know it's seems to be, there's still like kind of saber rattling, I think, but nothing, you know, substantial. So, yeah, I mean, it's kind of a wall right now, but then you're just waiting for what's next, right? Like, you know, does it shift over to Russia, Ukraine, or does it go back to the Middle East on that front? You know, what, what's going to happen? I mean, I said all these things I think are going to happen, but I don't know. I mean, the election, I think it's going to be a crazy period. and people are going to get just you know they're going to get torched and turned and people are getting very nervous and scared

and it's going to be rough it's going to be rough and you're not going to have the results that night not based on 2020 and 2022 it's not going to be a clean oh we'll know that night they're going to start pushing the winner that night similar in 2020 remember brett bear called Arizona for Trump and they weren't even done counting but yeah So well, I appreciate you hopping on. I know I got I know we got time commitments today. So, um, I'm going to make sure I get you out of here relatively on time.

Uh, and, uh, appreciate you hopping on, Mike. I mean, keep up like, honestly, if you haven't tuned into coffee to Mike and some of the conversation, you know, like, I just think on this side, some of the guests people like, you know, if they flip over to your channel, they're going to see a similar guest list. Um, but I always say probably with a little bit more of an American, uh, tinge to it, which is for obvious reasons, right? And I don't know, just keep up doing what you're doing. And I appreciate you hopping on today and, you know, coming and having a chat and let's not make it the last. No, for sure. I'd be happy to come back anytime. And then I think it'll be great

when we flip the script and you can come on my show. We'll chat it up and, you know, see, we see where the world's at. So thank you for having me. And, you know, yeah, we have similar guests, but different approaches and, you know, different perspectives. And I think it's great. So congrats on everything you're doing. And, you know, I, like I said, I can't wait to talk to you on my show. That way, I'll be the captain of the ship. Sounds good, Mike. Thanks again for doing this. And we'll chat soon. Thanks, Sean.