Shaun Newman Podcast - #732 - Tom Luongo & Alex Krainer #16

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

North Korean soldiers in Russia, BRICS summit, leaked documents, Trump's 2nd term and whether more levers can be pulled by the deep state. Tom is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian, and economist whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. He hosts the Gold Goats ‘n Guns Podcast. Alex is a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author and contributing editor at Zero Hedge.  Cornerstone Forum ‘25 https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/ Clothing Link: ⁠⁠⁠https://snp-8.creator-spring.com/listing/the-mashup-collection ⁠⁠Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Silver Gold Bull Links: Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone]

This is Chris Sims. This is Tom Romago. This is Chuck Prodnick. This is Alex Kraner. This is Daniel Smith. And welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the podcast, folks. Happy Wednesday.

Hope everybody's having a good week. I'm having one heck of a day as I'm recording this. I got Jamie Sinclair sitting beside me as we, that's going to be tomorrow's chat. But he's sitting in studio waiting on Chuck Prodneck to get here. And I don't know. He's giggling at me. So I don't know if he's going to say hello or not. Hello, everybody.

Well, before we get to today's show, let's talk silver gold bowl. Jamie, do you own any silver gold? Just curious. Yeah, I do now. Thanks to you. Thanks to me. Well, there you go. Cool.

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and as you're buying your physical metals your precious metals make sure to reference me it can help you and helps me um Caleb Taves, Renegade Acres. We have, he does the community spotlight here. I'm going to talk a little bit of Tuesday mashup. Not Tuesday mashup, the mashup. We got live election coverage this Monday coming up, October 28th. And man, we have quite the list of people going to be coming on.

We're starting at 6 p.m. You can find us on pretty much all the major ones. It'll be live streaming on X, Facebook, YouTube, Brumble, and it'll be one of the things you can't find on the podcast. It'll probably go five hours, is my guess. So if you're wanting to tune in live, we're going to be there all night, October 28th, that's a Monday. Here's some of the names that are going to be on. John Gormley, Jerry Ritz, Ken Rutherford, Lee Harding, Wayne Peters, Nadine Ness, Quick Dick,

McDick, Lee's Merrill, and hopefully there's going to be more to come. We've got some invites out to several different people. You know, I'm sitting across from Jamie Sinclair. Jamie, you can join us for a couple of minutes on the election night coverage? You call me, I'll answer. There you go. So Jamie Sinclair, there, he's added. And get Henry on.

And maybe Henry Silas. Here's your welcome invite, Henry, to hop on with us. It should be a fun night. We did the British Columbia election live stream, and I went in approaching it way different than I did Alberta. I just wanted to have fun. Let's make election night coverage fun. Because, I mean, regardless, we have no implication on the results.

It's whether or not people go vote. We're just going to talk about that and try and bring on some different commentators from hopefully all sides of the coin and have some interesting conversations. That's what BC was. I'm hoping that is what Saskatchewan will be. So that's October 28th. We hope to see you there. And that is Caleb Taves, Renegade Acres. They do the community spotlight.

The deer and steer butchery, well, hunting season is fully upon us. If you bag an animal and need to get it sliced and diced and put in your freezer, look no. further than the deer and steer. That's Amber, who's going to be dealing with you, the butcheress over at the Deer and Steer West Sattel Lloyd Minster. Give her a call, 780870-8700. You can get hooked up with everything there. Chuck Prodnick just walked into the studio,

which means I got to get running to do the next thing, but before we get to that, Cornerstone Forum, 2025 is heading to Calgary at the Winsport May 10th. Early Bird tickets are on sale right now. They are not going to get any cheaper than what they currently are right now. Keynote speakers include so far. Tom Luongo, Alex Craneer, Chuck Pradnik, will be gracing the stage again.

We got two guest hosts, Chris Sims, Canadian Taxpayers' Federation, and Tom Bodrovics from Palisades Gold Radio. And more to come, more to come, but we're waiting until we get confirmations. But hopefully some other names to announce very shortly. Jamie, you make in the Cornerstone Forum this year? You attending?

What time of year is that? May 10th. Ooh. My campground's fully up and running, but I could possibly get up here. I can make some time for you. It's in Calgary, winsport. Yeah, I'll go.

I'll go. I can get on a plane and fly to Calgary. Oh, man. Wait a second. The blue, if anyone needs any reason to tune in to tomorrow's military roundtable, it looks like Chuck Prodnick has just set the tone. Who knows? Who are we kidding?

We know Jamie Sinclair set the tone. Um, regardless... Again, I had to bring the beer. Hey, last time he was mad at me because I wouldn't... Fragis isn't you plugged in. Are you, and thank God you're not being sober. Thank God. You're just cheers of that.

Hey, Chuck? Okay. Well, it's in our... Harveston. Um, substack, if you haven't subscribed, it's free. And by all means, uh, we, that's where you get the week in review. You can see highlights. I know lots of people say five in a week is a lot to keep up with.

While every Sunday night at 5 p. We released the week in review. It gives you a chance to, oh, that's what was happening. Fair enough. And you can hop into whichever ones you want. Today, we released the first ever guest spot with Matt Eritz article. Interested to hear what you have to say. It is for paid subscribers.

There's a free preview if you want to hop in. But we're trying to add some value to our paid subscribers. So if you want to check that out, by all means, Friday, November 29th, S&P Christmas party is bringing in dueling pianos to the Gold Horse Casino. We have four tables. left folks. Just four, and if you're interested, shoot me a text. All right, I got Chuck and Jamie sitting here. You already know what's going to be on tomorrow, but let's get on to the tail of the tape. The first is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian and economist,

whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. He hosts the Gold, Goats and Guns podcast. The second, a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author, and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. I'm talking about Tom Luongo and Alex Craneer. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Tom Luongo, Alex Craneer. Jens, thanks for answering the call again. Thank you for having us. Of course.

This is the 16th time. So if this is your first time tuning into one of these, there's 15 more of them to go back on. And I almost had deja vu, because I could feel Sean like 10 ago, go, you know, guys, I don't feel like there's anything going on. And then Tom came unglued on me. and was like, nothing going on.

And then he rattled it off. So I was compiling the list of things that have happened since we last chatted. And I was like, I was just saying to dust, you know, he was in the room and then obviously he walked out. I was saying, I'm like, you know, it kind of feels like the eye storm. Then I started prepping for this. I started writing out all the things that have been going on. And I'm like, oh, my God.

Like we, if we were, I don't know, 10 yards away, 10 steps away from World War III, I feel like we're two inches away now or whatever. And that's happened in the last month. I'll let you two decide on my thoughts. But there's been a lot going on in the past month. Go ahead, Alex. Granted, however, I think that there are determined forces working against that current. And I think the last time we spoke, there was that incident.

with the oiler of one of the one of the I think it was Abraham Lincoln or Dwight Ellinghauer carrier strike group which was being deployed to the defense of Israel and and then mysteriously the group's oiler which is the you know the vessel that carries fuel for the for the whole fleet I ran a ground and that was that. You know, the whole curious strike group was ground down. They couldn't deploy it. And I thought, well, you know, there's a possibility that people just simply don't want to take part with this.

They don't want to take orders from Anthony Blinken to go sacrifice themselves to defend. some kind of an agenda that hardly anybody understands definitely has nothing to do with defending the U.S. Constitution, American freedoms, American way of life, you know, homeland, nothing. It's, you know, these men and women would be going to sacrifice themselves for a foreign country, which, you know, regardless of how you feel about that foreign country, you signed up to fight for your own, not for theirs. And so, you know, that was that, a problem. And now, apparently, Israel had very advanced plans to deliver a major strike against Iran.

And then somebody from the bowels of the U.S. defense establishment leaked out the two key documents that gave Iranians. and everybody else, pretty much the lowdown of what's coming. So there went the surprise factor, right? I mean, it wasn't going to be a surprise at all, but at least, you know, the kind of attack, the contents of the attack, you know, if the Iranians know exactly what's coming at them from where and what numbers, then, you know, forget it.

And obviously the attack had to be postponed for the time being at least. So just so I'm, you, because that's one of the things I'd put in there, you know, like is Israel, they're supposed to attack them in the next, well, before the US election. What are we sitting at, boys about 14 days until the US election? Well, you know, so Iranian rocket attack happened on the first of October. That's 21 days ago. immediate aftermath of that attack, the people in the Israeli cabinet were saying, we're going to respond. We have to go big and it has to happen very, very soon. You know, they were quite clear about that. It had to happen very, very soon,

and they had every attention of going big. And then somebody yanked their chain because they wanted to attack Israel's nuclear facilities or their oil production facilities. And then the U.S. administration was saying, no, you can't do that. You're going to get us to the $300 a barrel oil, or you're going to get us into a nuclear war. So that, you know, they had to rethink it. And apparently whatever plan they drafted now had to be shelved because somebody leaked. And I, you know, I listened to a number of U.S. intelligence veterans. like Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern and so forth.

And apparently the only place that this leak could have come from is the United States, you know, the US intelligence community. And it couldn't have been a low level operative who leaked it out. It would have had to be somebody very, very high level, somebody working very closely, very close to Blinken or Jake Sullivan or Lloyd Austin. And so what you see is that even where the official Washington is gung-ho supporting Israel to no end, you know, set the planet on fire, Israel has the right to defend itself, blah, blah, blah, blah.

In the end, people who are called on to carry out the orders are unwilling. And so you have this huge problem that if you're if you're going to be giving orders to people to carry out ludicrous plans, they're going to sabotage them. They're going to be unwilling. And this is this is not the first in history, but we've come to that point. And not only that, you know, like there's another problem. Everybody understands that a Joe Biden stole the election, B, Joe Biden, is not even in charge. Right.

So you're asking the United States military to carry out missions on the orders of who exactly? You know, if you, if there was a commander in chief there at the top of the command and control hierarchy, that people believed in, that people felt a certain loyalty to, In that case, even if they get the orders that they don't necessarily agree with or understand, they say like, all right, because Dwight Eisenhower said so, because Douglas MacArthur said so, I'm going to do it. Because Donald Trump said, so let's go. Let's get it done. But if it came from the bowels of an illegitimate administration from some who, Jake Sullivan or Anthony Blinken, or, you know, Susan Rice or Valerie Jarrett or Barack Obama, they're going to say, hell no, you know, do it yourself, fight your own wars. We're not doing it.

And then, you know, you get these oilers that get stranded, highly classified documents that end up leaked. And so my point is that there's, I think that the ranks of madmen. who are risking World War III are very small. It's a very narrow, it's a very narrow group of fanatics. But they depend on a larger group of competent military staff to carry out the orders. And if the orders don't make sense, or if they're too risky, you know, too much to lose too little to gain. then they're going to be resisting these orders. So even though on the surface appearance of things,

we are going into World War III, and there's very little anybody can do about this, in reality there's a lot that many people can do about this, and they're doing it. So it's not a foregone conclusion. I think at this point, it would have to be a serious of grave miscalculation, misunderstandings and errors that would actually trigger an irreversible escalation

World War III. I'd agree with nearly all of that, Alex. And I just would add some color to that and say that leak was very significant. The fact that both the U.S. put troops on the ground in Israel, which everybody got wrong, and the Russians put troops on the ground in Iran. Very astute point to know that once they're there, those are tripwires. Iran attacks Israel. You're killing Americans.

We're going to war. Israel attacks Iran. You killed Russians. We're going to war. So this is the way military guys de-escalate shit that the diplomats, and I use that, they use my air quotes on that, very diplomats. are trying to gen. And the intelligence guys are trying to gin up.

This is, I mean, dude, I'm telling you, every time I play these things out, I'm like, holy shit, I saw, I've seen this story before. You know, I saw this coming, you know, the, I've talked about the show a thousand times, but the second season of Ghost and the Shell standalone complex, this is literally the plot of the show is a. rogue intelligence agent within the Japanese hierarchy was attempting to get the United States and was trying to get the United States and into a world war into a nuclear exchange over a fake refugee crisis. This wasn't predictive programming. This was 20 years ago. They were just seeing

that they were just that far ahead. And so like I'm that so you're what you just described Alex and I agree with you. Blinken and Newland and a certain small cabal of people have been trying to manipulate the perception around events in order to get certain things to come to pass. And then everybody to make a mistake. And thankfully, what we've seen going and I'll add more color to this by saying, look, why did the US and Russia not get into a shooting war over Syria? Their air forces were both running in right next to each other in the Syrian airspace because nobody in either the Russian military nor the American military wanted to get into a shooting war with each other. So they had their deconfliction hotlines.

The defense departments on both sides were talking to each other and making sure that they all stayed out of each other's way while they carried out separate parallel missions that were, yes, slightly adversarial, but there was nothing they can do about it. And who was it? Somebody else said something recently. I think it was a, it was a somebody said this. I said, look, I think it was a, I think it was a, was even Blinken who said it. Look, we can't, in terms of Ukraine, like going to war against Russia by allowing you to shoot missiles and bomb St. Petersburg would start a conflict with Russia that we can't fight. We're not going to fight. We don't want to fight. And that was the end of Ukraine. I mean, Blinken eventually had to acknowledge this, but

but at the same time was trying to gin up a war between Israel and Iran. And then that failed when the military tapped him. And again, I was just at the Mises Supporter Summit last weekend, a couple weekends ago. And I was speaking to some people who are retired 05s in the U.S. Air Force and some others in the U.S. military. And they're all saying the same thing. And then we were on with Lieutenant Colonel Steve Murray. And we were talking about this, Alex, right? about how the 05s and the 06s

the lieutenant colonels and the full bird colonels are telling the generals we can't fight these wars that you want to fight and then I mentioned that and lieutenant colonel Steve Murray retired 05 said oh and by the way you have no idea how much power we as lieutenant colonels have over actual military

not policy but what we actually implement and what did I say to you guys and like ages ago when we talked about all this. We talked about election fraud, we talked about everything else. Eventually, I said, at some point, the 05s and the 06s, the lieutenant colonels and the full bird colonels will make their presence known and make their attitudes felt and they will force the military and the political class to stand down. Everything above that level is political. All the generals and the Joint Chiefs and all those guys, those are all politicians. They're not military men. The military men,

the guys who actually carry out the orders are at the colonel level and boa those guys as at alice's point fight to the united states they serve at the pleasure of the people and of the people and i still firmly believe that that is and i remember thinking that thinking through i'm like yeah the loyalty the high loyalty is there within the u.s military hierarchy these are highly conscientious people that have to have decided to pledge their life and sacred honor to this and the men underneath them and everything else. And there are still plenty of highly conscientious people. I'm talking about in the big five pillars of personality here.

Those people go to the military. Those people look like Tulsi Gabbard. Okay. And those people don't become generals in Obama's army. They don't. And so that's, I think, ultimately where this, so I'm fully on board with you, Alex. All the tea leaves, if you read between the lines,

lines are all we have brought it to this point that's enough now stop it and sit the fuck down now is that going to be enough i don't know but knowing that that means that these same people have to be telling the iranians and the russians and the chinese hey we have this under control don't do anything dumb they're going to probably take punch you in the mouth again just take but Putin understands this. He's been the one literally telling everybody going to Iran and going, calm down. Calm down.

And I remember talking with Extra White about this ages ago, and he was always said that, you know, he was always looking at Iran from a perception of being, you know, of the, of the, of Persian culture and that. There's a very macho element to all that, that culture. And that, like, you punch me, I have to punch you back, right? It's very, there's a, there's a certain machismo that exists within that area of the cultures and that area of the world. And he was, that's what had him spooked about all of this ages ago.

Right. And I said, well, we'll see whether or not the Russians who are really good at serving revenge cold. Well, I mean, when you talk, when you talk about Putin, I just think of Muhammad Ali on the ropes. You just sitting there and you think you're, you think you're. You think you're drilling them and he's just taking it pretty soon. You're so tired. He just walks up, Bo, boom,

done. And I mean, Tom, you bring up some very, very, very good points. You know, you guys make me hope,

you know, like we're two weeks away from the election. You're making me hopeful. You know, I'm walking in here going like everything looks like it's heading for this and you two are, oh man, it's possible that maybe you're going to let me have a, a happy, a happy, well, as we record this, a happy Tuesday, happy Wednesday for the people who listen.

Well, let's not, let's not jinx it, yeah. Let's, you know, remember without jinxing it. Well, I mean, but, but in fairness, Alex, you know, when you guys were in studio talking to me, you know, he said, it's conversations like this that help, you know, do you get everything right all the time? No, but you're pointing out to people. What do you mean? No. What are you talking about? Oh, Lord, it's hard to be humble. There are people... In every way.

Like, come on. I can't wait to look in the mirror. Come on, dude. Let's sing along. I get better looking each other. All right, all right. All I was saying, you guys continue to point out how, you know, it's easy to fall down the hole of like it's hopeless, despair.

But watch, you, you, we like to point out, you know, my list, Iran tested the nuclear weapons. Ukraine wants nuclear. Israel's plans a strike and the U.S. leaked it. But now you're actually looking at from the opposite. It's like, well, actually, they leaked it. That right there should tell you something. And these conversations are helping point out, I think, hopefully to the population.

Like, look, there's other people in the government that aren't complete and utter ninkum poops that are all for war and taking us all there and killing a whole bunch of the population. There's a bunch of good people trying to fight the good fight. Yeah, and I would say that probably it's a majority. And I want to go back to something Tom was talking about a moment ago, how come Russia and the United States didn't come to a shooting war over Syria? There's more to that story, and it's good. So here's what happened. The U.S. troops were sent there under the pretense that they're going

there to fight ISIS, right? They're going there to eliminate terrorists, which wasn't true. So, you know, what you call 05s and 06s, they were being lied to. They were being mobilized there. Oh, yeah. No, that's the premises. And they resented it because what they've done was good intelligence work. They knew where ISIS was. They got all the information. And then there was this period of time where they kept sending to the Pentagon the information about, well, we have to strike here, we have to strike here, we have to strike here, this commander is here, this commander is there, this, you know, cluster is here and there and their weapons and their fuel and everything. And so they were, they were, they would have been able to blow them

out of the, out of, into into pieces, right? But the Pentagon kept no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, stand down, stand down. And so they were like, what the hell? You know, why are we here? What are we doing? And then when the Russians intervened, what they did is they handed their intelligence to the Russians. Here is your list of target. And then the Russians blew them up, like literally sending missiles through the windows of these people's bedrooms.

And so, you know, this is how this happened. And then, you know, there was a, there was a, there was a moment where literally a convoy of Russian soldiers and a convoy of American soldiers were driving on the same highway. And they came across each other. And they all stopped. They shook hands. Yeah. They exchanged gifts. They, you know, like they met each other as friendly warriors as, you know, backers for the for the.

for the same cause. And it was a very friendly occasion. And so this is, you know, when you go with 05s, 06s and below, this is the reality. And this is the reality which, you know, people higher up like Blinken and Sullivan and Victoria Nulan and so, and they're massively vexed and frustrated with this because they can't get unquestioning loyalty

to do whatever they, you know, whatever, whatever Blinken orders them to do, they just simply won't because. I mean, I remember that Blinken is not in the chain of command. He is the secretary of state and he's not the president, even though he's been acting like, you know. Yeah, it's a really, really important point about that, Alex. When I remember watching, it was at in 2015, when Putin moved into Syria, I would not consider myself at that point in time, even one tent is as having an understanding of what's going on or anything else. was literally in like heavy duty learning mode, right?

And it's just writing about it and thinking about it. And what I said was, like the Russians, like I never believe the ISIS story. I'm like, we can relicense place some space, but we can't fight ISIS in the desert. What are you fucking kidding me? I mean, just that basic, just asking that simple question and let's say, well, this is, there's clearly an operation at work here. And then I said, I remember telling my, my newsmax, my editor at newsmax at the time, and I wrote about this in my newsletter.

I said, look, Putin's going to walk in there. This is the most significant moment in, you know, geopolitical history of the 21st century. He's going to walk in there. And in the six to eight weeks, he's going to blow up in the entire lie about ISIS and Syria and everything else. And which is exactly what he did, which you just did. I thought about it just from the simply from the perspective of the Russian military will come in and just do what needs to be done. They're not stupid. No, add in that the Americans were giving them the intelligence to do this, not a layer that I had ever considered.

but it's an excellent ones. I just wanted to like... Yeah, that happened. That happened. Now that you mentioned, it makes perfect sense. Yeah. And so, you know, and also these people that you call 05s and 06s, you know, when you listen to them,

people like Lieutenant Colonel Steve Murray and Douglas McGregor, people like that, you see that these people are intelligent, that they're competent, that they're not. They know where their loyalties lie and their heart is in the right place. So you know, when you give them order, they better make sense. Or they're going to say like, sorry, can you tell me why I should do this? I have my men here. Should I go and sacrifice them without really understanding what the hell you want me to accomplish?

We're not British. If I use Tom, Tom, you've taught me a lot with, Sorry, I couldn't help. We're not British. We're not going to sacrifice a bunch of colonials at Gallipoli or the poor war. We're not British about this. We're Americans. We don't sacrifice our men for no goddamn reason.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I say that? If I look at the board game, Tom. Sure. And you go, well, Israel was going to attack Iran, right? That was going to be the big play. And it's, yeah. That's the, that's the Macaddy.

For people not watching, he pulled out the Dune Bard game. It's like it's right here. It's behind me. I should really move up so there's visible. Well, I just look at this and I go, okay, is the next 14 days as we lead up to the election a very dangerous point in our history? Yes? Yeah, it's very important. Okay.

Okay. So you point out the one Israel was going to do this, but now it's been leaked, which means now they can prepare, blah, blah. And I go, yeah, but it's very dangerous. yeah but if I add in all the other conversations I'm like it's like but they don't have just one lever they're going to try and pull you know I bring back on a lieutenant colonel stepan murray and what did he talk about all and all these guys talking about the southern border of the u.s and that being a lever they can pull too right with all these different um you know military aged guys being in the United States and different things like that so it's like okay this lever

isn't working maybe another lever work in the next two weeks do you see one of those levers being pulled or are we or are we going to in fact get to a u.s election donald trump or kamala harris whoever you know wins it you know steals it i don't know um are we going to get to to november 5th without something wild happening no we're they're going to pull all the levers from here they pulled a lot of the big ones israel iran ukraine hitting hitting uh incursion into Russian territory. Like, we've seen a lot of them, right? We still have the financial markets.

We still have, um, they've trial ballooned like monkey pox. It didn't work. We saw this coming when they tried the COVID lockdowns again after Omicron, right? I think I think I think I think that's when I declared peak Davos, right? After Omicron failed. They've tried monkeypox. They tried this. They tried this.

They tried that what they're going to do. I think what they're in the mode of, I think, the mode now is going to be. They're going to try one or two other things to set up the moment. And then when Trump wins, that's when they're going to go for a full, like the full crate. They're going to go full shit for a crazy town with rent a mobs and the rest of it for in the hope that they can create some kind of national dissolution or something along those lines. Everyone's going to try this.

I was just reading Martin Armstrong this morning. and Martin was talking about it was like, look, they really do want to declare martial law and validate the election between now and then. And so will they gin up some kind of domestic, you know, thing? And that's the other reason why they need the war. They need the war so that they can declare martial law so they can suspend the election. That's the flowchart. That's why Iran holding their water and not indulging their machismo, why Putin holding his water,

not indulging the Russian, you know, fatalists. that are behind him, why that's so important, right? Because they understand that you've got to get through the election because that's the order of operations that they're clearly playing for. And the people who are fomenting this are, of course, as always, the British, and to a lesser extent, the Germans and everybody else, trying to get the United States to do something that would be fatal to the United States because then they win both ways, right?

They run the table on us if Iran strike. strikes Israel between now and the election. So then will there be a false flag against Israel? Like, does anybody believe that Iran tried to blow up Benjamin Netanyahu's house? No. Netanyahu blew up his house in order to try and create sympathy vote in order to try and create some kind of outrage. I was just going to look at that.

I went, dude, stop bombing your own freaking house for the insurance money and then calling it an Iranian attack. Like the ham-fisted bullshit about how Iran wanted to, to, to, assassinate Trump? What planet are these people operating at this point? It's so pathetic. But it doesn't mean they're not going to continue trying. That's what I'll keep saying. What did you think then about, well, I don't know.

You brought up Trump and you brought up him talking about Iran and him, you know, basically got to have increased security. And then he was saying, you know, basically giving approval for Israel to go bomb their nuclear plants and different things like that. Trump says a lot of things. Because Trump likes to negotiate and he likes to negotiate with up here to get this, when he should get that. That's his, that's his,

so like I don't think for a moment that Donald Trump isn't a royalist and, you know, pro-Israel. But what he is actually more than all of those things is he understands that none of this is in America's best interest. an American first. And when you put it all together, you have to think about Trump in terms of

his order of priorities and preferences. And I think he's made his order of priorities and preferences very clear. And because we're all anxious and worried and with good reason to be anxious and worried that we then start conflating these other things and looking for patterns and looking for data that confirms the outlier as opposed to the base argument. I think that's it. I mean, and what I have to do every once in a while, guys, I just like, I, I, I, because I'm, I'm susceptible to this as well. I'm not, I'm not throwing shade on it and, and anybody at this point. What I'm trying to do is I remind myself when I see it reflected back

at me, I take a step back and go, you know what? How about we reorder proper? How about we sit down, think about order priorities, probabilities and all that stuff? And then, you know, Take a deep breath, go out, pet my dog, then try and do analysis again. I literally have to do this like three times a day. You bring up an interesting point because we were, you know, on a very smaller extent, we were talking about a couple weeks ago about Alberta and how when I was growing up, I was Canada first, Alberta second.

They were growing up Saskatchewan second, right? Province second, always country first. And what we see at a leaders is almost like world first and not your country first. And we're seeing play out in real time in so many countries where billions upon billions of dollars are leaving the countries while people are, you know, like, I mean, just take the hurricane aftermath and the money going elsewhere, but to the people who are being suffered or Hawaii or go on and on and on. And you see that playing played out, not just in the U.S. but a ton of countries. And when you bring up Trump as U.S. first and, you know, pro other places second, I think it's really an interesting point. And the fact that, you know, what do people probably hate about Putin? Well, he's definitely Russia first.

And, you know, China, same thing, Korea, the same. It doesn't mean you have to love what they're doing in their countries. Just that they operate from that mentality. And in the five eyes, specifically, we seem to have, I guess actually I should say Europe would be the same way, right? If you're part of the EU, all of a sudden you're supposed to give over all your thought process to the EU instead of what to do best for your country first? Well, I think that's the consequence of the agenda, which, you know, is pushed by, you know,

I think the usual suspects at Davos to progressively disintegrate the sovereignty of individual nations. And not everybody agrees with that. I mean, I think most people don't agree with And the only people who do agree with it is probably, you know, the banking oligarchies and their, and they're, you know, their supporters. Because they want to own the world. They want to control everything. They don't want to deal with pesky, Putin's and Victor Orbanes and people like that. They want their obedient technocratic puppets like Justin Durdow, Olaf Schultz, people of this type. And so, you know, they hate people like Putin, like Xi. They hate people like Donald Trump, Victor Orban.

Everybody who, everybody put, who puts their country. sovereignty and independence first. And so it's not, it's not, you know, it always goes back to that, to that hypothesis, that it's a conflict between two systems of governance. And this system that we're all up against is exactly the globalist, imperialist, colonialist system that's controlled by the by the bank. banking oligarchies. North Korea has shown up in Russia on the front lines, or at least that's what the

videos have shown. What do you two make of North Korea now being with Russian troops? It's a very low credibility allegation. I haven't exerted myself over that one. I think it's another desperate attempt by Vladimir Zelensky to save his own hide and to get the global international community all excited and motivated to go and intervene in Ukraine. But I don't think anybody believes it. I mean, really, I mean, it's in the mainstream media and some people are getting all excited about it,

but it's virtually zero probability that is true. That's interesting, because, Because in, I don't know, not only is it mainstream, I don't know what the heck we call Alex Jones and others of that type, but like it's all over their channels, right? That North Korea has blown up roads and everything to South Korea. They're sending their troops to Russia. China's preparing for war on and on and on and on. The fear intensifies, you know, it increases, increases. What I'm finding interesting about this chat is you're taking all that fear and you're just kind of, It's not that it isn't sitting there and one doesn't have to be conscious of the fact things have escalated,

but you're both almost calm, which is very intriguing to me. Okay, so why would they even come out with this? Because one of the implications is that Russia is finished, that they have over-exhausted their military in Ukraine. and that they are so desperate that they need to resort to help from North Korea. So if you should break that bond, then you can actually fit. You know, so it's once again that, you know, like Russia running out of missiles, Russia, Russian drafting criminals and the conscripts and, you know, all of these siops. And I wouldn't exclude the possibility that there actually are North Koreans.

on the ground in Ukraine, but they're not fighting against Ukrainians. If they're there, they're there maybe to learn how to use certain weapons that North Korea may be buying from Russia. Or maybe for their officers to gain some first-person experience and insight into a conflict that they might have in the very near future with South Korea. It's possible. And so, you know, you can run all the maneuvers, all the military exercises you want, but there's no substitute for the real thing.

So it's, you know, given that now Russia and South North Korea have this virtually a military pact, the mutual defense pact between themselves, I think, it's entirely possible that some North Korean officers went to Ukraine to observe, to study, to master the weaponry and things like that. But that North Korean troops are there, you know, hurrah running across the fields and fighting directly with the Ukrainian Armed Force of Ukraine. There's zero percent chance that that's true. That's that, I mean, that so far out of possibility that it's not even worth wasting. I mean, Alex Jones, whatever, you know, he's, he has his ex to grind.

His, you know, I, I'm glad we're to, I guess, I think it's important to talk about to take it away then, because I get it sent to me all the time, right? All these things and I'm like, looking at it. I'm like, I don't even know what to make of that, right? Like I, right? That's why I bring it up because you guys could talk to it and now people can go, oh, okay. You know, like let's carry on with life. You know, one of the things that I'm assuming both of you will be paying close attention to is it started today. And it goes for the next couple. And that's the BRICS summit of 2024 here in Russia.

When you see all those countries meeting, you know, it looks like they're going to add a whole bunch of new members. What do you think is going to come out of the BRICS summit this year that's going to impact probably not only the U.S. but the rest of the world? Well, let's start with, let's start with what we know they're going to do, which is they've already announced Bricks Pay, which is their payment layer. We have, we're going to, that I think is the big thing that they were, they're going to agree on that having that payment layer. They haven't quite decided yet what they're going to do with their unit of account. We've all speculated on. We've all heard stories about the unit and what it's going to be. And, you know, a 60% waiting in the various.

currencies within the block and a 40% waiting towards gold. What I find very interesting is something that Vinslaanchi pointed out to me on Twitter the other day when he took a screenshot of the app, which is that one of the currencies you can pay in is X-A-U, which is gold. And so now whether or not anybody's actually going to pay in gold or not is a different story, but the fact that the matter is that someone may request that something is paid in gold, so we'll see how that goes from there. I think what they're going to continue to discuss is how

they're going to handle that trade settlement layer or that unit of account aspect of how to deal of all the trade differentials. And that, you know, at this point, all they really need is to have an inter-currency, an inter-country payment layer. And then they have to deal with the build-up of foreign reserves in everybody else's capital account, you know, as they run, so some runs trade surpluses and some run trade deficits. And if they don't want to buy each other's bonds, and, you know, I'm not here to tell you. whether or not you should buy, you know, Russian OFCs or you should buy Chinese, you know, dimson bonds or anything else. Like, they have the option of, of, of denominating those,

those, those, those trade imbalances and gold. And that's been the biggest impediment, right, to the breaking of the quote unquote dollar reserve system. Just that simple. So, and, you know, I've seen a commentator like Anasahaji talk about that in terms of Saudi Arabia, you're not killing the peg of the reality to the dollar and all the rest of the stuff. It's very, it's an important part of the story. Like, how does that occur, right? How does that happen? So they have a, they have to be very careful how they do this.

And they, of course, are going to have to be not only careful about it, but understand that they don't have a choice. They know they have a choice because as they push this thing forward, because this is the direct, attack or not attack, but direct antipode to the existing system, that's going to invite further attack. Right. And one of the things I've been thinking about a lot recently, we wrote about last month in the newsletter and whatnot, is that, you know, why is OPEC still a thing, right? OPEC's a cartel. It's a price-fixing cartel. Price-fixing cartels are, are usually very short-lived, unless they're being supported by either an external, someone pointing a gun to keep the cartel in place, i.e. through laws and regulations, or through external

pressure, which is exactly the same thing, right? So OPEC still exists because the Western world wants to break the cartel to get control of the oil to then use it as collateralization to collateralize their shitty currencies and all the rest of it. Well, the bricks is yet another price-fixing cartel. right it's a defensive response where everybody comes together to defend themselves against an external threat if you don't want to see the bricks form and get more powerful then then the west needs to get over themselves cut a deal which is what we Alex and I have been saying this for how long cut a deal and Putin's been saying this literally stop attacking us let's cut a deal let's trade

some oil let's trade some tungsten let's do the thing let's trade some grain let's you know move some chips, let's do the thing. And if you stop doing that, we won't feel the need to have to defend ourselves from your attack. And that's what the bricks is. And ultimately, they're going to have to come to terms with the fact that as much as they want to go slowly to build something of lasting value, they also have to realize that as they form this thing, they're going to be coming under more and more and more intense

pressure. Therefore, you know, At some point, they're going to have to just pull the plug. They're going to have to just like flip the switch and go, the unit's been turned on. And Embridge and all the, and all the infrastructure has been turned on. And I don't know that, you know, and I, you know, I listen to, you know, I listen to a lot of people talk about this. And in particular, like Brent Johnson's been talking about this on Twitter saying, notice how they keep using up secret. They keep using wiggle language, right?

They keep using, you know, weasel language about intending to and not, you know, considering and blah, blah, blah, blah. and not we're doing this, we're doing this, we're doing that. That says to Brent, you know, I'm not, I'm not putting words in Brent's mouth, but that says to Brent that they're not serious about this, that the dollar is still stronger in the, in its market share and its place in the world, than the hype of surrounding the bricks. I can see it another way, which is that they're moving slowly. He's probably, he's probably right.

I'm probably right, partially. And there's going to be this give and taking this back and forth. D dollarization, as Alex and I've talked about in multiple streams, is a process, not a state function. It's not a stepwise thing that you just go to. We have turned this thing on and now the dollar is over. Doesn't work like that. There's too many dependent relationships.

There's too many things that have to be unwound and people shift their focus. They have to rewrite prospectuses on their funds. And it's a massive amount of work that would have to be done for that to happen. So, you know, ignore the hype. respect the process, I guess is what I would say. And watch what they say during this summit to about where they are in the process.

Yeah, kind of a slow burn then, Tom is what you're saying. Like, right? Yeah. I mean, nothing changes overnight because ultimately only when, you know, the very powerful people to get together at Breton Woods or here or there or the G7, do they go, nope, we're in a new regime now and you're just going to take it. But they can't do that really until they've put the infrastructure in place. And then they can flip the switch. So they couldn't have the G7, the Plaza Accord in 1985 until after Volker rang out

all the inflation from the breakdown of Bretton Woods and the London Gold Pool in the establishment of the Dollar Reserve standard in 1983, 84, the adoption of LIBOR as the dead index rate for all dollars around the world in 1984. Then we had, then miraculously, we have the Plaza Accord, you know, doing currency. price fixing in late 1985, right? That's the way these things work. You know, Faisal was asking on Twitter, you know, when we talk about different timelines,

you know, and for me, the next two weeks is, I don't know, something obviously to really pay attention to. I've been watching not only you guys, but others about the lead up to the U.S. election. Fislein wants to know in the first 100 days, right? You get Trump, you get Kamala Harris. what does that look like? What are they doing in the first hundred days? I would guess Trump would be talking to the Iranians.

I think Trump would be talking to Putin. I think he would be talking to Xi Jinping. And I think that they would, you know, have to radically de-escalate the march of Polly. You know, depending on who Trump is going to manage to get into his cabinet and what they're intending to do and what they're planning to do, domestically, there might be a purge, a pretty radical purge of the swamp. And I think that partly the dams have to blame themselves for it because they've really, you know, they've really run roughshod over the system of checks and balances. they've gone outside of the bounds of the law to pursue their agendas. And they set precedents that are going to come back to bite them. And I think that Trump, vindictive as he is,

is going to take full advantage of this. And I kind of expect that people around him are inclined in the same way. And I think that a lot of them have a massive act to grind against the dams. And I think that, well, you know, they're all kind of saying, oh, you know, if Trump comes to power, we're all going to end up in jail. He's going to come after us. He's going to be arresting his political opponents. I have to say that for once I do believe them. But it's not because Trump is going to come against his political opponents just, you know, to make himself into a, you know, cartoonish.

dictator and who eliminates all his opposition so he could rule forever unimpeded. I think that they have broken the law in so many ways that it's going to be

payback time. I always go back to the 2012 HSBC case because that was massive. That was absolutely massive. HSBC got busted, laundering money for Mexican drug cartels and international terrorist organizations. And this was on Obama's watch.

And so Obama and Eric Holder let HSBC off the hook. That is, you know, they negotiated a settlement. HSBC got a slap on the wrist and a small parking ticket. The whole shabang was directed out of London. This was letters going from Chancellor of the Excheca, George Osborne, to Eric Holder. This is high treason, you know. HSBC should have been stripped of their license to do business in the United States. and something like 30 people in the C-suite and the board of directors should have ended up with prison sentences.

Nothing happened. Obama administration avoided the U.S. law to suit a foreign bank. That's high treason and had the detriment of the American economy and of the American people. And so I think that what's... What is very likely the case is that, you know, we talked about who the hell is in charge. And it seems to me from ever, from, you know, you can't see this. But from everything that we could observe over these last four years, it does appear that Obama is in charge. And Obama with, you know, people like Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice,

and who knows who else, you know, probably Blinken and Jake Sullivan and Hillary Clinton. They are the people in charge. So everything that is going on now is on them. And that in itself is a gross violation of the U.S. Constitution. So they are in so much trouble if they lose these elections that it's going to be ridiculous. Is Trump going to be able to go after them?

I don't know, but I think that they will do a lot to make sure that that happens. And I see now that even, you know, even the media is kind of moving from their unquestioning support for, you know, Obama, Biden, Blinken, DNC, and they're starting to question them. And I just wonder to what extent that's going to change because I feel that it is changing. What I'll say to that is that, you know, they are pot committed to trying to keep themselves from going to jail, right? This is, again, a talking point that we've had for, you know, for months now saying, like, they don't have any other option because they've already crossed the particular, they've already crossed the Rubicon like multiple times. Yes. And because of that, what else are you going to do?

You have to keep doubling down on the thing that, on, where you are, you don't have any other option because otherwise, you know, that way known oblivion lies as opposed to potential oblivion. And that's that's the calculus. It's not particularly difficult. Um, so Tom's trying to make a serious point. Nobody's watching. They can't see what Alex is back. He's back. Alex's back. And you know, he's smiling. He's doing the thing. Well, that's the thing. They're pot committed Tom. And to your point, it's like, okay. So we look at, you know, it comes off Faisal's questions. We're just looking at timelines.

The next 14 days, heck, I've been waiting for something to happen in the, in the month that has been, you know? Right. Like, I've been sitting here and I'm almost like, I'm like, am I in the middle of the hurricane? Like the eye of the storm and nothing's, and we're just about to step into crazy town? Or has deals been cut on the backside? Because you know, in the first 100 days you go, Trump's going to get in.

He's going to talk to Putin. He's going to talk to all he's going. He's already talking to him. There's no way he isn't texting. I'm going, uh, just, just wait a. 14 more days just hold on i'm going to get in we got people good people look at the team around them now you don't have to love them all but everybody's talking about it's like this is really interesting to watch look at all the people garnering support for trump and he's talking to all these

people so i look at the first hundred days i go well he's just going to make it publicly announced that he's talking to people he's talking to them all right now of course he is of course no you're you're absolutely right sean that's that's a really good point um his that that's so i mean i like i like The first hundred days are going to be, it doesn't really, to me it doesn't really matter. It's because it's what happens during the transition. We got to get through that first, right? We have to get through what are they going to do to try and stop Trump from actually getting into the White House and then, you know, implementing what he wants to implement. What's clear and obvious is that he's put a team around him to clean out the agencies and the executive branch to put in his loyalist.

Now, Obama purged everyone. And then during Trump's first term, Trump didn't get rid of anyone because he didn't understand how the government actually works, which is that executive orders aren't law. They are directives to the cabinet secretary to do X, Y, and Z, which the cabinet secretary has the discretion to take under advisement and to implement or not implement. When you have an entire power structure underneath you that is aligned with your quote-unquote vision, then these things get executed. When you have a guy at the top that no one is listening to, nothing gets implemented.

And then the guy at the top has to take, and then you just run a media campaign against him from the right, by the way, saying, well, nothing's going to change. Trump didn't get anything done. You're wrong about what happened the last time. and you're not serious as commentators if you do not understand the way the system actually works and you're not willing to engage it in the way that it actually works, which is what we've been trying to do. And I'm not saying that I'm an expert in how everything works. What I'm saying is I leave my mind open to the idea that things work differently than the way we think they work because we have an agenda to produce a particular outcome and to move people into a particular space.

That may be the case, that that doesn't mean it actually comports with reality. And, oh, by the way, people that you're trying to persuade can see that. And they can see it at every level. And they can see that you're not serious because you're just running a script. No different than Victoria Newland, no different than Bill Gates, no different than Bill Gates, It's no different than Klaus Schwab or anybody else. They're running a script, folks, and I don't care who it is. Anybody on the right saying Trump isn't going to matter because he didn't get anything done the first time works for the other guy, the other team.

And if they don't work for the other team actually by getting freaking checks, they work for the other team because they're too on there because they're too unsophisticated to understand the, the operations that are being run against them in the first place. What you're saying, what you're saying is, I think. think, you know, the military right now can't get done. If we go back to the first part where Alex was talking about the military, the leader at the top, the guys that aren't the actual military are trying to do something that everybody underneath doesn't want. Right. And so they're not allowing it to have.

They're leaking things. They're doing a whole bunch of stuff to try and stop it. It's all your stories. On the flip side, when Trump got in, he had the same problem from a political standpoint. And what I think a lot of people are pointing out is this time around, he understands. understands that. It doesn't mean he's going to come in and completely change the direction of the United States, but he's going to be able to do a lot more because he understands a lot of the problems that he learned on the first go around. Right. And the point being is that we're now more receptive

to that potential change at a functional level because we are now literally staring at the end of the country. We're under that all of these systems are under existential threat. And that's when our minds are focused on the potential for what are we going to put on the, what are we going to put in place on the other side of this? Because systems don't change until they're under existential threat. When everybody's fat and happy, when everybody's fed, when everybody's bank accounts and their and their stock portfolios look good and therefore and their houses are going up in value and all the rest of it, no one is going to really, yeah, things kind of suck, but. Yeah, things kind of suck, but. And then when everything starts to really suck, that's when

everything. That's when real change can occur. Neil Howe has made this point many, many, many times in talking about how forth turnings work themselves out. And so with that in mind, you know, you can't use at inflection points like this, the past becomes prologue of a different story is the point. And using past to undergird and a stale argument when, when you've reached the peak in the cycle and you're on the other side of it now doesn't work, because now the story is changing around you. The story is, I don't know, how you pick it. You know, we've been on this vector.

We've reached peak that vector. Now we're moving on a different vector and we're going in a different direction. And you're still making the argument that we're going on the original vector. And, you know, it's kind of like political malfusianism. It's, it's a, it's a high concept point, but it's very important to see that this is why the inertia about the inertia about things is our perceptions of a lot of things and we can apply this basic framework to a whole lot of things i've been doing this like everywhere anywhere i can get my hands on in the last like six weeks silver as a monetary asset the government being

able to do weather modification blah blah blah blah there's all the same shit and trump not going to be able to change anything is nonsense when you can look and the guys running political ads in swing states with unity, not MAGA, not the Republican Party, unity, and a picture of him at the center of R. F.K., Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk, Vivek, J.D. Vance. Like, you don't think that's a changing of the freaking political guard folks. These are some of the most successful people in the world, but politically and, you know, entrepreneurially and everything else. And the people who want to sit back and just, you know, you know, throw spitballs at the, in the corner because they're too black-pilled to get to see what's happening.

Like, dude, dude's got a freaking Jamie Diamond on the side now, which I also predicted would occur. Same thing. Like, it's everywhere. And so many people are behind the curve on this. And that's part of the reason why I love Alex, because Alex, like me, is ahead of this curve. I mean, I'm dead serious.

Like, we're ahead of this curve because we see, we can see, we can see the way these systems are changing when they are put under existential, threat and we have to start theorizing about how people are going to react to that. And that's just, that's it. It's just it. So, you know, Tom was talking about the hierarchy, the executive orders and all these things, how, you know, how an organization functions. I think that therein lies the big problem for the DNC today also because I think that what we've seen over the last, what?

two, three weeks is that Kamala Harris has begun to crater and that Donald Trump has become to take off like a rocket. And so now, you know, in this in this DNC hierarchy, you probably have a lot of these cunning plans to do something to sabotage the elections, to make false flag, to assassinate people to, I don't know what else they might have on their cards. But you know, the people who would be called on to execute some of these crazy ideas would have to believe that they have a fair chance of finagling Kamala over the finish line. And then they would be in the clear, right? Nobody would pursue them. But failing that, they would be, you know, like their lives would be over. Okay. They would be in so much trouble. It would be worse

than death. And so I think that people are now starting to get scared because I don't think they have a fair chance of pinnagling Kamala Harris over the finish line. And so you might now be asked to do something that's immoral, illegal, unconstitutional, un-American. And if it doesn't work, you're dead. So you might be thinking, the hell with this, I'm not doing. it and let the higher-ups eat their losses. Yep. And maybe even come out as a whistleblower saying like, hey, you know, like, I've always been against this.

I just didn't know any better until just now. And so I think that there's a good chance that at this stage, there's a lot of rats on that ship who are thinking about jumping. And I think that, yeah. And I think that we might see that. And do we believe for one second, sorry Tom, do we believe for one second the people in the political class are all of sudden going to all go to jail? I haven't seen that out of any country. And believe me, Canada is just a shining example of criminality in politics.

It's just so evident. It just keeps happening and happening and happening. And, you know, one of the things I've learned from my own country, we have an ethics commissioner, von Finkelstein can't make that name up. and literally they get exposure. That's what they get for a criminality, right? They don't use the criminality. We've talked a lot about it. They get exposure.

They exposed. Oh, yeah, they made a bunch of money. Exposure. So when I look at all this on the United States and Donald Trump coming in, I'm like, yeah, one or two might eat it. But like, do we really think Obama's going to jail? Do we really think any of that's going to, like, they're going to find ways to work around this.

The entire system's built for them to do that. It is, Sean, you're correct. And I think that, you know, at the end of the day, there's going to be the vestiges of the power that these people still wield and the, you know, the menela envelopes that they have folders that they have on various people. And it's all, a lot of it's going to cancel itself out. Think of it like just popped into my head. Think of it like the entire derivatives industry.

Well, I've got dirt on you. You've got dirt on me. And like we have all this dirt. We have quadrillions of dollars worth of dirt. And it norms out to, you know, $50 million worth. the value at risk or whatever the hell you want to put it out. So it's not really that big a deal. No, what it means is that that's all going to cancel each other out.

We're all going to go, okay, fine. You get to go to Martha's Vineyard and don't go to jail. You get to do this. We get this sacrificial land. You give us Susan Rice. We'll give you this guy, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then that's the way it's going to go down. We know that.

But more importantly, if that is, I don't care about, I mean, I'm well past the the point of these people getting justice. I think they should all be, you know, I think they should all be, you know, fed to, they should all be hung by their toenails over the Washington reflecting pool and fed the dogs. Like, I, you know, they're all mass murderers. I don't have a problem with that. I believe in libertarian justice, an eye for two eyes and a little bit of scaring. I don't have a problem with it. Their mass murderers killed them all. That's fine. I'm not in charge of that process. I'm not going to be in charge of that process. No one will let me be in charge of that process

and probably with good reason. Okay. So, understanding that, right, then what we care about, is the actual practical knock-on effects. Will Elon Musk come in and create the Department of Government Efficiency, Doge? Will he get rid of a whole lot of, you know, useless jobs within the federal government? My personal opinion should start overseas and work his way backwards in order to impact domestic GDP as little as possible. That would be my suggestion. And I say that as a libertarian and a doctrinaire Austrian and all of this stuff. That's how you do it.

That's the kind of practical shit you do in order to turn the tie. That's how you do so. That's how you lead people to go, oh, these people are serious. They have really good ideas about how to fix the world. You know, that could have been done. But we're not going to do that. We're just going to call the Fed an arsonist and that's set in its own fire and then, you know, firefighter at the same time and pat ourselves on the background.

how clever we are. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Clearly, it doesn't work that way. All right. So I, like, I'm at that point with all of this. I gave that shit up for Lent ages ago. I, that's why I do the things I do the way I do them. And, you know, it's very, very, it's very, upsetting to watch this play itself out. Because the brightest minds and the most power, most passionate people are the ones like taking themselves off the game board. And they should be, you know, why isn't why are those people surrounding Donald Trump and not others it's a good question maybe you should and maybe that that's the question we should be asking ourselves because ultimately do we believe that this the this thing can reform itself or not that's up to you

and you know you believe that it can it can be it can be reformed well then you're going to go out and you're going to like not bitch about it and say, well, I can't be, you know, yeah, but I can't do anything about it. No, you're going to go out and you're very small way every day. You're going to go out there and you're going to do something that's going to effectively create a way to reform the system while describing the mechanisms by which we reform the system, as opposed to just stating over and over again, the system's corrupt. Like, those two things don't compute. Like, you give that message and you wind up with people who don't know what to do. And I'm, you know, and so clearly like I'm, you know, I'm kind of distracted here and off a little off topic, but it's important to understand that if we

want these things to happen, they can happen. Or they won't because, you know, the system is too sclerotic. But that's an academic observation. That's not a, what are we going to try to get done observation. Elon Musk just shot a rocket and, you know, in the lower Earth orbit and caught it. Our definition of what is and is not possible just changed. Donald Trump just did an afternoon like trolling the entire world by serving a fake shift at McDonald's.

How awesome was that? Like the world can change. Well, these people can be shown can be shown the door. The quote that comes to mind and I'll let Alex hop in is The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for Good Ben to do nothing. That's what you're talking about. And never, never give into evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it.

What do we give my misis? Both of those things together still allow you to operate within the current zeitgeist and the current framework. Because there are a lot of people out there who do not understand any of this, but they want to. And they want practical solutions. And they want to know what should they do with their money? How should they send their kids to college? Should they do this? Should they do that?

And, you know, talking about what's going to happen 50 years from now, it doesn't matter. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Well, I just wanted, you know, I don't want to sound unduly optimistic here, but the world has changed over the last several years. You know, Donald Trump won his election in 2016. And 2016, the war versus 2024. I mean, so much shit has gone down that, you know, there's no way that it didn't, make a major change in the way people perceive the media, the politicians, Donald Trump,

the DNC, you know, Biden and all these people. And, you know, we had four years of Russia Gate, which, you know, I think now even people realize it was a false flag. It was a it was a PSYOP. We had the pandemic, which only just started during, you know, the final Donald Trump's last year in office, right? And people didn't, you know, for many people, it took a long time to realize. Some haven't realized it yet still, but it took people a long time to realize that that too was a fake event, right? And now we had this insane march towards World War III, which, you know, like we have, for the first

time ever we have a realistic probability of total annihilation of humanity, of the face of the earth. You know, people are waking up to these things. And now one of the things, you know, the way we look at things is the way we grew up. And we always grew up in this paradigm of post-World War II, Pax Americana, peace period, prosperity, everything. Everything's kind of okay, you know, don't rock the boat, don't question things, just, you know, get a good job and build your career and political life is like, yeah, who cares, you know, there's left, there's the right, you know, this dichotomy, right, between left and right. And I think for the first time, this is all coming upended and we saw, you know, which is a spectacular thing, really. a very prominent leader from the left side of the spectrum, switch side and join Donald Trump, RFK Jr., right?

That's huge. And so the whole left-right dichotomy is kind of being slowly retired as an irrelevant thing. And history has had many, many, many examples of the so-called, night of the long knives when there's a wholesale purge of a certain establishment lineup. So who knows, you know, maybe this is coming. Obviously, you know, it won't be long knives. It will be, it will be lawfare. But lawfare is extremely deadly to people. And I think that Trump is going to resort to lawfare. We'll see how effective he will be.

And we'll see whether Hillary and Barack and Eric Holder and Susan Rice and people like that are actually going to find themselves behind bars. But I wouldn't dismiss it all together. And I think it would have a very, very strong impact on people's morale to see this. It would be a gift to the American people to see this. So, you know, let's see what happens. But, you know, world changes. And we are in the middle of very, very radical changes at this time. And the last eight years, you know, the world is a completely different place.

Yeah, well, I mean, even this is the 16th time, Alex, we've sat down and done this. And if we go back, essentially 16 months, right? It's been roughly once a month. just think of how far I even think our first couple of conversations went where Tom was like, world's done, we're done, World War III's coming.

You're muted, you're muted, Tom. Sorry, I was going to say it's longer than 16 months because the first cornerstone was over 16 months ago. No, the first. It was in June of 2022. It's been over two years, Sean. We've tried to keep a monthly case. Maybe you're right.

Maybe you're right. We did not. Certainly not early on. We didn't keep a monthly cadence, but we've tried to keep a monthly cadence since then, which is great. Don't get me wrong. I'm just for the sake of it.

Well, regardless, you go over the time frame of where we started. I remember when Tom was a little more doom and gloom, and I would say Alex was the voice of like hope. And over time of those 16 chats, so this will be the 16th, if people go and listen to it, you can see it start to change at all, you know, I start to understand what the heck you guys are talking about because for the first four,

I was just like, what the heck am I in? And, and then it starts to change where you're starting to see this, this group of people within the United States, but probably around the world, start to show some restraint, start to actually expose some things. You know, you talk about RFK. Tulsi Gabbard's another one that went from the Democratic Party over to Trump, right? Like, you're seeing all these things happen. And, you know, like, let's not like, I just had Stephen Murray and you guys have been on with Stephen Murray as well and a show to Mike Ferris because he'd been on the show too. And you can see things other levers that they can pull specifically against the United States, which is very concerning. But when you look at the big picture, you know, I go back to the Stephen Coglin interview I did, you know, don't see what you see what you know.

Forget how he said that. Know what you see, see what you know. and what he was talking about was they keep showing you this idea but go with your front door and actually see it and look at what's happening on the u.s election stage you're seeing democrats switch over large big personalities to Donald trump that's a huge thing and over the 16 chats we've had it's been evident to me right like you know i come in here i got my list of things i'm like oh man this could be a heavy chat. And in the first 10 minutes, I'm like, this is not going to be a heavy chat.

Hmm, interesting. You know, I guess it's been too long. There's, don't get me wrong. There's things that are concerning and there's things you have to pay attention to. I go back to the board game analogy all the time. Okay, they're one move didn't work. Don't think for a second. They're not going to try something new.

And we'll be back on talking about that. But there are active forces at this point working to undermine that. The game is starting to be played. We talk in Canada all the time. Politics is a contact sport. I didn't understand what that meant two years ago, but I'm seeing it actively play out right now in Canada, which is really cool.

And that is a collection of people starting to become involved. Yeah. No, it's absolutely correct. And Sean, and I'll be honest with you. For me, the turning point was watching the histrionics in the financial markets. And where I started like really, am I right about this?

Am I, am I right that like Wall Street and the Fed are are leading what amounts to a coup against these, an internal coup or an opposition to these people? Am I right about this? Can I believe that? Can I trust that? I don't know. Well, we'll see. Let's keep playing it out.

But then when Trump survived, Trump lived, quarter of an inch to the left or two inches to the left or whatever. and this is a different world. And any optimism that you think I might be expressing right now, forget it, dude. You're like, hey, Tom, why did you come on the podcast? Why? What the fuck's the point?

All right. O my liver, as I like to put it. So, yeah, no, I think Trump lived, and that changed everything. Because they took their shot and they failed. And then they didn't have a good, they thought they had backup plans and plans within plans and plots within plots and all this stuff and blah, blah, blah, blah. But the truth of the matter is is that can't do it now.

Now you've got to work with the guy. Now you've got to back up. And good. Is it mean we're going to wind up in puppies and rainbows and, you know, and Kappasand and all the rest of that. No. We're going to wind up with a, you know, we're going to wind up with a, you know, we're going to wind up with a system that's 25, 30% better than the old one, if we're lucky. And we should be happy about that because the opposite is, you know, unthinkable.

And when the unthinkable was put in front of a lot of people, everybody said no. And then they tried the shock and awe, well, we'll just kill Trump. And that didn't work. And then Trump chose J.D. Vance. and threw all in with, you know, effectively the PayPal Mafia, J.B. Vevac, Elon Musk, those guys. And are those guys good guys? I don't think so. But as my good friend Pete Canones says, you know, hey, I'd rather people who are indifferent to my being on this planet than hostile to it, I'll take that as a win. And if you're not willing to,

And if you're not willing to engage at that level, then you're not serious. It's just simple. So, you know, there's a infinite gulf between theory and practice. And, you know, we live in engineering. We live in practice. One of the things that we're going to start talking about is the difference between physics and engineering, right? The physics of the theoretics and the engineering of how the world actually works, how you actually build something. that is real and that's going to go through the massive massive range of of uh of responses to

stimuli that make up the nine billion people on this fucking planet and you better engage with that at a certain at a practical level or you're going to be irrelevant really quickly and that's what i know that's what alex and i try to do i know that's what you're doing so why i will always come on the podcast as well I was with the cornerstone doesn't matter to me right there are certain people that you have my loyalty because at that level you get that we are trying to affect practical solutions to these problems while explaining the and demystifying the pieces of the events as they unfold and as they unfold we can say well these are the things that are happening but this is the world I want I still want to get and blah blah blah blah

and we move on you know otherwise you know people that aren't interested just not so Alex, any final thoughts before I let you guys out of here? Final thoughts? Well, I hope not, you know. I'm planning to be around a while. Fair point. You know, the next, I don't think it's necessarily just the next 10 days or however many are left until the elections. I think it's the next few months until January 20th or whenever it is that Donald Trump enters the White House.

It's going to be ugly. It's going to be complicated. But I think that maybe things are going to work out okay. Maybe there's good grounds for optimism. and on that basis, I would say that we should not only remain optimistic. I would say that we have a sacred duty to cultivate optimism, because without it, you let your arms down. You're opting for learned helplessness. You're just letting yourself be led to the slaughter. And so in order for things to work the way we want them to, because we want to leave a better world behind for future generations, we have to cultivate optimism. And, you know, I deliberately use the word cultivate because, you know, this is something that you get out of it, what you put into it.

And there's, if you think things through, you can always see the silver lining in situations. And if you stay with that, you can contribute positively to positive outcomes. So not just between now and January, but I think between now and eternity, we have to give it our best because we can. we're given this opportunity. Maybe we are here for that reason, and I'm pretty convinced that we have help from other realms to do what we need to do. That would be my final thought for this particular.

This one, yes. Final thought, period. Well, one of the things that is the highlight of my weeks, you know, I get to sit with you two, and then you both know Chuck Prodnick because he's been on stage with you, right? He's literally coming in this studio later today and we have,

we're doing a talk on the rhythm of life. When Lieutenant Colonel Stephen Murray came on, he scared the shit out of me. I was just like, he talked about some things going down and I'll be the first to admit I got Alex Jonesed. You know, when he says,

I was just like, oh my God. I was worried about all these different people who, uh, are listeners of the show. I'm like, how do you take the information that we're talking about and not give it to them? And then I talked to Chuck Pradnik about it. And he goes, on the military, we talk about rhythm of life.

You take data points, you take different things, but you can't get too high or too low. So I was like, well, we should have you come in and talk about that. And so they're coming in, they're the episode right after you, him and Jamie Sinclair, two military guys coming to talk exactly about that.

But having you guys on, yes, the final thought, no, I, I hope, you know, my hope for the future is we get to do this for 500 times, right, for the next, however many years we got. Because this is, this is the highlights of a lot of people, you know, across not only Canada, but in the United States, they enjoy these conversations as much as we do. Well, I'm glad to hear that. And, you know, I do my, we all do our very best to put forth the best information,

the best perspective we have at that moment in time. and try to entertain a little bit along the way. Like, entertainment is kind of a part of the process here. Because if it's education, it's that Mel Gibson thing. It's like, you know, the three E's education, entertainment, elevation. Think about it. Mel's not wrong about that. Thanks for hopping on, Jents.

We'll do it again soon. Absolutely. Awesome. Thank you. Sean. Good to see you again, both of you. and onwards and upwards and upwards.