Shaun Newman Podcast - #743 - Hnidey - Applegate - Rutherford

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

I’m joined by Tanner Hnidey, Tanner Applegate and Ken Rutherford where we discuss the state of the world here in Canada.Tanner Hnidey is an economist, freelance speaker, social critic and author of “Kingdom of Cain”. Tanner Applegate owns Viking Gym here in Lloydminster and is former Co-host of the War on Weakness podcast. Ken Rutherford owns Rutherford Appraisal Group, is a professor at Lakeland College and is a former Co-host of the War on Weakness podcast.  Cornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/ Clothing Link:⁠⁠⁠https://snp-8.creator-spring.com/listing/the-mashup-collection⁠⁠ Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Silver Gold Bull Links: Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone]

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him here in Lloyd Minster. I'm talking about Tanner in a day, Kenner Utherford, and Tanner Applegate. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Holy crap. I haven't even, like, you know, this day started out with like, I'm going to do these things and I'm going to have this guy on, I'm going to do this. And all of a sudden, the room is just full and I'm racing around.

People could see it on the camera. I'm like, this is a busy room right now. I did not set up for this properly. But we got the mics on. What are you going to do? That's where we're going to start. So how's everybody doing today? I'm great. I'm good, too. I'm good too.

So I got Tanner Nadey, I got Tanner Applegate, and I got Ken Rutherford sitting in here. And I wanted, this is where we're going to start, because I wanted to start with Tanner. And then this, Tanner in a day, that is, because then we got just a whole bunch of stuff going on. One of the big things going around in the city of Lloyd is this thought process. I think that you're against, I would say the word progressive seems to trigger a lot of people. So I'm going to say progressive women. Yeah. And I'm just, I guess, curious your thoughts on it.

I got to listen to it the other night in the debate, but I thought, heck, you might as have come on because you'd said, well, if I had a few extra seconds instead of being cut off by 30 seconds, I would have said a few things. So I thought maybe we'd start there. Oh, I appreciate it. Yeah, there is a rumor going around right now.

I wrote on my website. I actually have written twice in my website and my social media pages, articles for Mother's Day. And in those articles, they don't say the exact same thing, but they say similar things. In those articles, I talk about the importance of mothers and how I believe being a mother is the ultimate career.

That's actually a quote from C.S. Lewis. It's not actually my quote. It's Lewis's quote. He says, really, the mother that, you know, working at home with children and so on is the ultimate career. He says, all other careers exist to serve that ultimate career. And I agree with that. You look at how important mothers are.

You know, they're nurses, right? They're the first people we run to when we scrape our knee. Right. They're accountants. They help balance the budgets in the home, right? They're chefs, right? They make these wonderful meals. They're all of these critical things that we need in order to thrive as a society.

And so I wrote those articles with that in mind saying, you know, even Almighty God has created women to be mothers, just as he's created men to be fathers, right? Both are equally true. And I think society flourishes when that's accomplished. Well, now people have taken that to mean that I must hate women who are in the workplace or as the question was phrased on Wednesday what, I might have differing views about whether or not women should go to school.

I thought that was a diabolical question. I thought it was wicked, the insinuation that because I believe mothers are important, are critical in this society. And because I venerate mothers, I somehow think that women shouldn't go to school or shouldn't be learned to read or shouldn't be allowed to go to the workplace. It's such garbage. It's nonsense. It's trash.

And I make no apologies for my beliefs. Yes, I think, the society is so backward that now when you say women are meant to be mothers and also men are meant to be fathers, but we're dealing with the women aspect. It's somehow derogatory, like as if that's derogatory. That is, in my opinion, the highest compliment that can be given to either gender. Wow. You know, it's like, what a, what a blessing to be able to be a mother and to raise children. Who's, like, you know, who's more important than that? And again, same thing. Men are made to be fathers. But when you say men are made to be fathers, it's nowhere near as controversial. No one

seems to have much of an issue with it. When you say women, you know, are meant to be mothers, all of a sudden it's, you must be a chauvinistic pig. That isn't true. It's not true. Ought women to go to school? Absolutely. Yes. Manifestly, yes. You know, you look even at Christianity, right? Of course, it's built on Christ. But who are the first people at the tomb? It's not men. It's women. And in an age in which women's testimony was regarded on the same level as a dog, the entire scripture, Christianity itself, rests on the testimony of two women, right, who went to Jesus' tomb. So it is a complete inversion of what society thinks to be right. So far from being a man who says, you know, women have no place in the work office or women have

to stay at home and do absolutely nothing at all except cook and clean, that's nonsense, right? Not at all. It's rather that the society excels when the family is championed, women, yes, flourish, when their mothers, men flourish when their fathers. No apologies for it. Well, I think I've chatted with Vance Crow about this enough, right? He was a guy who didn't hit fatherhood until later on in life, and he

didn't realize what he was missing. You know, that's from a man's standpoint, right? So then we've had wonderful conversations about, like, what fatherhood actually, you know, like the greatest adventure of life. Doesn't mean it's always easy days. I'm looking at two fathers on the other side of the table, right? Like, there have been some

tough days. There's every day, be a challenge. Yeah. And yet, you know, you search for the happiness of life, right? Yeah.

Where do you find that? Yeah. I don't know. Fatherhood certainly for me has been an eye-opener. Yeah. And I will say, I do think that progressivism

has lied to women. Like it's, you know, progressism, that, that ideology has told women that you can be alone and put all of your value

in your corporate job or office and that will bring you the same satisfaction as you would as if you had a, you know, if you were working with the family. And that I don't believe is correct. Right. I don't think that's true. I think the difference, especially as one continues to age, becomes manifest. I think, again, and that's my platform, right?

Just the family has to be first. The family is foundational to society. And, you know, you see a lot of, you see just a difference when parents grow older and they have their kids by their side, you know, and they've been raised up in a loving family. And that connection can't be, it can't be replaced. It's just, that's just a consequence of the institution of the family. It's So any thoughts from the other side of the table? Yeah, I agree. Like talking in your mic, Tanner. But not in the mic. How's that?

You're bouncing around. You know, you had, it's like you had six coffee. I've had a lot of coffee this morning. Okay, all this calm down then. Um, if anybody doesn't think that there isn't an intentional dismantling of the family, then they're crazy. Like it, like, really, because they've taken away now, like you said, is, um, is, there women that can flourish in a corporate world and in this, you know, boss bitch world that they all talk about nowadays, for sure. But we tend to make outliers the norm and then sell it. I think those outliers have been sold to women to be like, this is what you need to be, which I've talked to lots of women that think that being a mother is the most important thing in the world.

and if that's what they could do, they would. But they can't because they've been, like I said, I'm divorced and had a, you know, went through that whole system of a family breaking up. I mean, I'm a dipshit so I can see that happening. But at the end of the day, too, is I think that a lot of the world's vices contributed to that. You know what I mean?

Like if you're not strong enough to handle what this world throws at you as a man, you tend to leave a family behind, which is not a good idea. And I think women then feed into it as well, thinking that they need to go and be some boss at the workforce, which if you want it like you said with you. If that's what you, if you're geared for that, then you should do that. It's a free country and I think you should. But if your goal is to stay at home and raise a family, which a lot of women think that way, right, I think that that's what you should do. And to find a male or a man that is conducive to that happening. right that is can make enough money to support that that wants to hang like hang in there through

the things that you know everybody goes through that you should get through and you should you should be creating you should be educating your kids as a unit and not letting the system educate it because I believe that that's the intention of the dismantling of the family unit is so that the state can govern your children and not you. I believe that's what it is. Now, a lot of people would be like, they're crazy, but it's hard to argue at this at that point, because that's what is happening.

Crypto-rich guy from England was on, and he talked about, you know, we're the only species where we give our children away to be, and I'm married to a teacher. I think there's lots of wonderful people. I say this over and over and over again. but when you think about it, our baboons and whales and tigers and on and on,

do they give their infants away to be raised by somebody else? No. And the thing is about our society, especially now with the cost, everything. You know, to have a single family income and survive on that, I don't know if it's impossible, guys,

but it's getting dang close. It's damn close, yeah. So like, you know, it's almost a non-starter. It's like women hat. Today it's almost the radical thing to do would be a stay-at-home mom. Yes.

Right? And to find out how to do that because now you're living, well, very differently than two people working as hard as they can go and on and on and on. I mean, I'm married to a wonderful woman who's career driven. I get this. Yeah. Right? Like two, though, is if you have, the cost of living is high. But I do notice that it's like, oh, you know, we got to have two incomes because, you know, the cost of living is so high. And then I see you driving a hundred. $150,000 fucking vehicle living in a $1.2 million house. You see a woman with a goddamn bag that's worth $1,500 fucking dollars that she calls a purse. You're wearing a pair of shoes that are worth $500. You're wearing a goddamn pair

of jeans that are worth $300 and a t-shirt that's worth $400 and you're saying, well, the cost of living is too high. Maybe the cost of you trying to fucking be cool is too high. I think is what it is. It's like if you really want to raise it, like if I had it to do all over again. Get on a go find yourself a chunk of land somewhere, build yourself a house that keeps the

fucking rain off, keeps you warm, and have like, go Rutherford to do the Rutherford thing and have 26 fucking kids and then raise them properly so that they can go out into the world and combat some of this fucking nonsense. That's probably the smart thing to do. But Instagram will strongly disagree that that's what you should do because they're like, well, no, you can't you got to have this, you got to have that, you got to have this, otherwise you don't fit in. It's like, well, if you need stuff to fit in, you're a loser. Really?

Like, I used to try to fit in, and I was still a loser. Now at least maybe I am, but fucking budget's a little better. But like, you can go to PV Mart and spend fucking $40 and have a wardrobe and you're good to go. And it actually, is that your coat from PV? All my clothes are from PVMark, bro. It's a good looking one. That's a good looking good looking.

But I mean, are you trying to look cool or are you trying to be cool? Like, are you trying to look? Most guys spend more money trying to look like a man than they are trying to be a man. So, and women, the same thing. So I don't know. That's my take on it. Is that the cost of living thing? I get it.

It is. Groceries are ridiculous. But if people really, really wanted to save money, they could. But they choose not to because they have to have two incomes at over $100,000 each. We have to have. They want the life style. We need the new, the new Yukon Nally and the fucking Netflix and the. And the government wants your tax.

And they want your tax. You get more tax if you tax the both, both in the household. Quick thought is an interesting statistic that I haven't seen the metric, but, you know, a lot of things we can see by measuring ratios and then track it as a trend. Two things that went in opposite directions in Canada in the last 100 years are house sizes have gotten bigger and bigger. well, family size has gotten smaller and smaller. Yeah. Right. If we didn't have immigration, I want to say our, our, the,

a couple books I read to maintain your population, you need 2.1 or 2.2 live births per couple to stay flat. A lot of the developed world in Canada, I think are we down to like 1.6 or something like that, 10 or year the economy is about 1.6. And that's when, that's when society is like disintegration. You're a mass decline. Like if we didn't have immigration. Yeah.

If a community has a thousand houses to house a thousand houses to house a thousand. people. Yeah. Well, next year you only need 900 people to be in those thousand houses. Yeah. You can see what happens to real estate markets. You can see what happens to the arenas and the schools and the right. All the rest.

Now, something else that you were mentioning. Oh, so in my view, all of these problems are solved, which is, I'm not saying I figured everything out, but all these food costs, family problems, you know, uh, to Nallis. I'm just trying to get as simple as possible. Home schooling. So our kids homeschooling. So our kids homeschool now. We grow a garden.

Yeah. We have animals all over the yard, chickens crapping on the deck every single day, right? No. And so I will go weeks without going in the grocery store, right? Your talk of school, you know, my wife said teacher as well. And thank God for good teachers that take care of the children and raise them. But I have seen a statement that says, if you send your children to Caesar for eight hours a day from the age of 5 to 18 till 4 or 5 o'clock at night, when they return as Romans, don't be shocked.

Right? You know, it's an interesting thought. And I was in that. I mean, I went through the public school. And I had a lot of good experiences, playing sports being one of them. You know, and people will say, well, Ken, what about your kids? Won't they, won't they be improperly socialized and won't they be different than the rest? Yes, that's the purpose.

I want them different. Right. And also, there's cool things that were just changed in Saskatchew education in the last couple of years is my daughter home school. And she graduated with all the people at the comp on the, you know, my boys jump on the basketball team with their local basketball team. So they get the sports. They play on the hockey teams. They do this.

But for the day, you know, there's my, my kids all there. You know, they're out feeding the pigs this morning together, right? And then one one's holding Benny while the other one's downstairs learning math. Like our family unit is first. Right? And so, yeah. And to yours, though, do you mind if I just zero it on you for a moment? Is what I heard you say, I have a.

read your website, but you're involved in politics right now. And there's a question as I'm understanding that comes up that says, you must hate women that have a life outside of the home. And that's why we should not trust you. Right. But I heard you quote a C.S. Lewis quote, which is what? The quote was, well, again, this isn't verbatim, but it's homemaking is the ultimate career. He says all other careers serve to exist that ultimate career. Okay. So what I don't hear is you think everyone should choose that career. And if you don't choose that career, you are a bad person. We should not allow women to be principals or business owners or. No, that's right. Right. And so it sounds like you were cornered with something.

Somebody read your website. Yeah. Turn it into something that was very controversial. Simplified it down to one statement that's like he hates women. Yeah. And you don't strike me as a person that hates women. No, it's true. It's not.

I hope not my wife and I were just married. Yeah. So Tanner, you hit it on the head. Freedom. Yeah. If you want to own a business, own a business. Yeah. If one of my daughter wants to become a lawyer and have a corporate job, have a corporate job.

You want to stay at home and have children and have children. You want to do them both. Freedom. Do what makes you tick. And when you talk to. women that come home from a day, like you can, there's days I come home from a day of work like, say 12, 15 hour days, I'm like that. If it's manual labor, if it's in an office that I want to jump off a cliff. But if you're actually working hard for like 10, 12, 15 hours

a day as a man, you come home and you're tired as hell, but you're happy, right? I've seen a lot of women that'll come home from a 10 hour a day. They're not happy. You know what I mean? Like, and there's a lot of men that aren't either. But what I'm saying by this, is women need to stop. They got to ask themselves what they want. Because if you offer, it's like, how would you like to just be the CEO of a family and not have to go work for some other person

with a bunch of other people and go do that? And ask yourself that honestly. Because a lot of women I've asked that, they're like, oh, fuck, I'd rather just raise a family and be with somebody that can support that and go with it. It's like, okay. You might not be able to do that. At least you're not bullshit in yourself saying that, oh, no, I need to, you know, rise to the top of this.

It's like, you might. And there's women, I would guarantee that there's a percentage of women out that are driven for that. I guarantee it. There's men that are the same, right? There's, like, it's an interesting, you know, I interviewed a young guy, Maxim Benjamin Smith, about three days, three weeks ago, two weeks ago, maybe. Sounds like it'd be on the back of a milk jug. Well, he's a young guy that got out from Denver. And in the middle of COVID, you know, they started doing all the virtual learning.

He ends up in homeschooling. And then his father's good friends with Doug Casey, the international man. And so they created this, I don't know, this course. I don't even know if I should call it that, called the preparation. And essentially, instead of going to school or going into the military service or finding a dead end job or just the first job that comes along and trying to make a career of it, they said, we want you to go experience things. We want you to meet people. We want you to learn skills.

So he's worked all over the place. He got his EMT course. He got his woodland fire course as well. He then studies Spanish chess, you know, reads a book a week roughly and is working on a farm. Essentially. That's roughly what his version of the preparation is. Because, you know, like how many of us at 18 just went and found the first job? Somebody needs work.

Great. There's great companies in town. They get you in, and if you got your head on your shoulders, in like three years, you're running something, and, you know, that's the only thing you know. And away you go. And I think of a guy like Quick Dick McDick, actually, because he was running a trucking company, if memory serves me correct. Sorry, Quick. I think it was up in, like, Peace River Country, somewhere up there. And he eventually just quits.

And now he's got this life where he is Quick Dick McDick, and he goes around on a comedy tour and is, you know, brought on to talk about on radio shows and, and, and, you know, brought on. on radio shows and comment on the government and everything. And he talked about, you know, he was in the other world. He was about as successful as you could get. Manager, running thing, probably making a big wage on and on and on. But he was depressed. He was just miserable. And in our society, you know, lots of people just don't stop to,

I guess men or women, they don't take a stop to be like, what do I actually want to do? And I know lots of people are sold this dream. Let's be a YouTuber. Let's be a podcast. Let's do all these different things. that's that's not always the case sometimes it could be manual labor just you know there's something about it you just enjoy the process you enjoy being out there with people doesn't

mean you shouldn't be a business owner too maybe you should but like how many of us don't ask that question we get from you know school right into the next step and then you're just making money and now you that becomes the chase you chase the dollars for the rest of your life until you retire and you go retire on some beach with a dackery and that's that's what you've been sold yeah but somewhere along the lines you know you you you wake up, you know, is this all there is to life? Yeah. I had that day. I mean, I had that day. Yeah. Solomon had it too, the Clesiastes.

Yeah, man. That whole book is so good. That whole book, you know, the premise of it is that life is like a puff of smoke. It's here for a minute, then it vanishes mysteriously. You know, you can't quite grasp it. And there's something, there's something just mystical about it. But in one of the chapters, actually in a bunch of the chapters, but in one in particular, the teacher, who Solomon's acting as though he's a teacher. Right. Talks about how he's like, I made all this money. He's like, what of it. So what? He says, I'm going to give it to my day. beat kids who then are going to waste it.

You know, he's like, I did all this. I was a great, you know, I literally, like Solomon literally had trillions of dollars, right? He says, I had trillions of dollars. I had the nicest palaces. I ate the greatest food. And he was like, what of it? You know, at the end of all that, he's like, who gives a rip? Like, it's, you know, it's a very, like, you're kind of like, huh, after Proverbs is

this happy, go, not happy go lucky, but there's a lot of, there's so much wisdom packed in every chapter of Proverbs. There are, it's a point. And it's you and Lainton Gray who said you got to read Ecclesiasis. Yeah, that's right. And it's the first book I picked up in a long time out of the Bible, and it's short. Yeah, it's short. But I couldn't, I read it in all one sentence.

Yeah. Because I was like, this is something. Because we got to talk about battle tested, right? You know, you start out in life, I think it's what we're kind of taught. You know, you start out, oh, it makes some money, that feels pretty good. Yeah. And then you start seeing the world and you start going through something, but what do I actually want on and on? Here's Solomon at the end of it.

He's had everything. Yeah. And he's really pointing to, you know, like what actually. matters from a guy who's had everything. Yeah, literally everything. Yeah, he shows the futility of putting, yeah, your entire world, your entire value in a dollar, or a bunch of dollars, or nice food, or a nice palace, or a king. You know what I mean?

It was funny, too, when they actually pay to go work. Like, you get people that don't work, like, you know, maybe they're a CEO of, when they sit in an office all day, making millions of dollars, and they'll, like, We used to see it at the old gym. Some of the wealthiest guys in town would come flip tires and pick up rocks at the old gym because they needed to get some work in. You know, I mean. Well, you see this room.

You go, Tanner walks in and you go, wow, you've really done some things with the room. I have no windows. I think I'm moving my body as much as I ever have. Can't drop any weight because I'm like, all I do is sit and talk. Do I have a deal for you, Sean? Liking strength. has a new deal on today. Seriously, though, we should do something.

Go get beat up by Tanner every single day. You don't get beat up, no, you get, I massage your back, tell you you, you matter. I'm like, Sean, all your, I'm like, here, let's talk about your childhood trauma, Sean. Plum and spice. Actually, no, wait. I got a team that is actually does all this stuff now and they're actually way

better at it than I am. Still no massages, though. There's a massage chair. I don't know. I sit in this room and I think of how many people are the same. They paid it

because they haven't moved their body all day. They need to go lift something heavy. Or, or, you know, like I used to get a lot of my aggression out

in hockey, specifically senior hockey. Because I got to hit some people and they got to whack me and it really annoyed me and, you know, every once in a while you get in a scrap

and you just got heated. Yeah. Where do you get that in life now? Well, you know? Well, that's how I made a business. Like,

that's where I make my money. is off of that concept, which honestly, like, if you think about it, if I go out, like, if I go to the farm and work for, you know, 12 hours or something like that, the last thing I'd ever want to do is go work out. Yeah. That is the last thing. Because you've literally done it all day. You've done that.

I mean, even if it's like a lot of people train because they're want to look a certain way. Sure. But a lot of them, they're trying to look a certain way because of an ideal that's been planted in their head by the system, right? Like, by this thing, your phone. that's why most people are like I guarantee if I asked everybody that come in there what do you want to look like?

They have a picture of some guy or some girl on the phone that they could show me. And it's like, okay, but what if I told you what'd you get there? It's like, you know, not that I've ever been there, but if you get to that point. You're a pretty big guy. Yeah, but you know what I mean? But it's still never.

I'm okay. As somebody that would have never dreamt of being in the physical condition I meant today when I was say 16, 17, 18, 19, 19 years old. Yeah, it's pretty cool to look back on. But at the same time, too, as it's like you speak of the biblical terms. It's like, okay, so you get here, you're like, so this isn't what, like, it's not what you think. Yeah.

It's the actual getting into these situations. And that's why I do, like, I did a bit of an audit a while back on like, okay, I don't want to do shit that is ridiculous, right? Like, if it just means nothing. Like, I couldn't go and be an accountant or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Why? Why?

But there is something about going and having an hour a day. and expelling that energy and getting some making your body move that'll fix your head. You know what I mean? And that's what I've learned over the last couple years

because I used to think it was about lifting as much weight as possible and just getting, you know, going after it. But I've watched a lot of people from my office now and I can kind of have a look around and be like, you know what?

Half these people are getting more just by going out and doing it than they are by chasing some false ideal of who the hell they think they should be. You know what I mean? So that's, I mean, that's my take on that. There's just all these little things that are pretty easy to do that, you know, there's, it's kind of like they say, well, there's no, what did they used to say?

There's no atheist in a foxhole. Yeah, no atheists in a foxhole. It's kind of this is you don't see too many victims walk out of a gym. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think you both bring up good points where, like, even, I don't think it should be lost on us that Old Testament's greatest. kings and the New Testament for that matter were all manual laborers. Joseph was a shepherd. Moses was

a shepherd. David was a shepherd. Gideon before he went bad was he was treading grain. You know, like he like all of that. They're all these, well the ultimate example is Christ. Guys a carpenter. He actually probably worked with stone, you know that we think it's wood. Actually Nazareth was known for its stone and so he actually probably worked with rock which and probably built Coliseum or whatever or you know stuff like that regardless, you know, call him a carpenter or whatever. at that it shouldn't be lost on us that those trades those men with manual labor you know backgrounds grew up

to be or replaced in positions where they were used mightily in the political realm I think that's because you know we have this idea today that well you have to be trained in the position and you have to be in a suit and tie every day and those are the ones who are successful and the tradesmen are these humble guys who just put their head down which is true they are but that as far as the gospel is concerned

those men are great you know great because they just go to work Well, that was interesting about last night, the debate, sorry, the other night in Lloyd. Because, like, municipal politics is lovely. Because you get people who just want to run, and they have the reasons for running, and you get all walks of life, right? Because you don't need to rise up the UCP rank and give away your career to become a career politician or what have you, right? I'm talking UCP here in Alberta, folks.

I don't think I need to explain that, but maybe I did. I look at Lloyd, it's like you put aside your word. week for a couple weeks for some a couple months you run out you go you know there's one debate there's there's you know i bring up kurt price uh because he goes and does his thing and then you come on here and i you know it's 20 minutes with me and that's pretty much it and then you see how many people turn out and probably if we're you get 30% we're we're happy in line you know that's almost like a party list system works better i think it does you know i'm bringing on a couple people hopefully here in the future that um are pushing for municipal parties in

in the cities, right? In Eminton and Calgary. And I go, I just, I think it's going to be bad long term. But in fairness, I want to hear more about it. That's my initial gut reaction. Hey? Who's pushing for that? I think parts within the conservative movement are.

Because what's happening with the other side is the NDP style candidates are getting funding from unions and different things and they're trying to counteract that. So I think it's a solution to what they're seeing. long term, if they don't look further out, you could have all conservative party members in all cities, in all of Alberta lead to one top-down approach. And I think that's insane. There's party whips for a reason. Yeah.

And when you look at the votes, they'll vote one way or another with their team, right? Well, so I go back to the debate, and one of the things that was interesting, we were just talking about Russell Moncrief, right? His background in the blue collar world, you know, it's just interesting because you have to earn that. That's, you know, it's like learning a martial art. You just don't sign in, take a two-minute course, and have it. You either put in the ears and solving problems and dealing with problems and all of a

sudden you have it. You know, you can't inherit that wisdom. You have to earn it. And that's a lot of the traits. And seeing him talk last night, you know, shout out to Michelle Benning who said to me, said, you know, next door. We said, like, he did really well in the debate, which Russell Moncrief. I thought he spoke well.

I thought he did better in the live debate where they actually brought up some different questions. I thought he did really well, but he has, you know, decades of experience with working with his hands and working through problems and solving problems. And, you know, that's rare. It's rare in a politician to have all those years and then to go into politics and actually be successful.

Love or hate Danielle Smith, right? I think there's a lot of love for her in the Alberta world. Well, 91.5% was her leadership review. Well, you know, she's owned a restaurant. That would be her blue collar, if you will, and I'll put it in parentheses, experience, right? Other than that, she's been in politics all over life. And what do you lose with that? Well, you lose some of the problem-solving skills of being, you gain other skills,

but you also lose skills of like, you know, being out in the real world and having to deal with us, yeah, who's all the time. Well, on critical thinking. Like, if you just anointed something. Yeah. then you're not, you've never had to critic, like we have that problem right now, I would say, for the last nine years or whatever it's been.

It's just you don't have critical thinking when you've had a silver spoon in your mouth. You're talking, Trudeau. Yeah. I mean, like, that's number one example of it. Is, you know, I don't know if this is the right thing or not, but you should probably have to have quite a bit of business experience and not business experience of, like, just pure corruption

and fucking, you know, all these. these trust fund maneuvers. But like start a business. Like Trump love them or hate him. He's pretty good at the economics of that country. Start a business, the successful business. Probably should serve. I'm a big fan of serving in the military,

probably if you're going to send kids into a meat grinder. Again, like we do it, you know, the states do it all the time. Let's just send all of a bunch of 18 to 20 years old kids. Let's tell them that they're, like I said, it's funny. I was thinking about this the other day is like we glorify the military, right? Which I do because of those that's pretty cool. I have a nephew that's in the military now.

And, uh, but at the same time is they're just political pawns and they just sell them this like, you're going to go die for your country and that's what we need you to do and you're a hero now. It's like, really? You know, like that's. I'll think of Mike Rood when he came on the podcast and he got sent to, oh man, was it Somalia? It was, I don't know if it's Somalia. somewhere over, anyways, it was in a lesser-known country with pretty much zero government.

And that's where, uh, Mephlequin, right, where they tested it on Canadian soldiers. Yeah. And then they started going crazy. And then they end up killing a kid and on and on and on. And they're still dealing with the ramifications. It's like 30 years ago. And they still don't have the, like, lawsuit wrapped up. You're like, so you glorify the military.

And then what do we do to them? We test things on them. Okay. Then when they get back and they're all beat up, we offer them made. You're like, are we serious right now? So like it's a really, I'm talking Canada here specifically. Like, it's a really messed up system because I have Chuck and Jamie on all the time. Willie McDonald as well.

And among a whole other cast of characters. And like, these guys have been through the proverbial shit. They have seen active duty. They have been shot at. They have watched friends die on and on and on. And then they've also been guinea pig tested for all these different drugs that, you know, we got exposed to in, in 2020, 2021, I guess. No, 2020, whatever. COVID. And you go like, for something we glorify, there's a lot that goes on in there that is pretty nefarious.

And once again, your point to like you're going to be a politician, maybe we should have some like you should have done a few of these things. Well, you should have to check off some things. But again, it was like you said with that is be. that's one thing I've learned is be very, very, very, very, very cautious of what they glorify. And they being the media or the, you know, who, the day is always such a hard thing to. But you're being sold something at all, at all points through your phone, through the media, through these people. If they glorify it, run like hell the other direction. Because nefarious is not a strong enough term to what they, like,

Everything that the farther you get with this, everything you see, you're seeing for a reason nowadays. I have a question just wrote to the group, right? I don't know the proper way to say it or to how to, I've just been thinking a lot about it, right? You see all the things going on with the media and, you know, like, you know, you watch conservative entities not be that conservative, right? Because maybe Tanner can just give me in two minutes or less.

what a conservative actually is, but there's like fiscal conservatism, there's a whole bunch of other things that go into there. But if you're a conservative party, a true conservative party, what should you be? That's a good question. I don't know if two minutes is enough. You look at the word conservative. I think we tend to think that conservative just means keeping everything exactly the same, you know, just make sure nothing ever changes.

And I think that's wrong. I think the true definition of a conservative, as abstract as it might be, is the conservative is actually, constantly changing. He's constantly renewing. Chesterton uses the example of a fence. He says, suppose you have a white picket fence. It's nice, you know, and he says you live in the country, beautiful white picket fence on the edge of your property. And he goes, if you adopted the idea of conservatism being, keeping everything the same, you'd never touch that fence, right? You would just, leave it as it is. Well, it wouldn't stay white very long. It gets filthy, right? If, and it gets

chipped and all that jazz, if you actually want to keep the fence white and nice and looking good, you have to constantly be renewing it. You know, you have to paint it again. You have to replace those pieces that have been chipped or worn down, what might have you. And so far from being this ideology where we do nothing, touch nothing, just keep everything exactly the same, I think it's an ideology of constant repetitive renewal to keep things, you know, in pristine condition. And what separates conservatives from liberals is I think conservatives have a standard. that they are working towards.

You know, we have a law, we believe in a law, that allows us to determine whether or not we are moving in the right direction. Right, a progressive, a liberal has none of that. They just go wherever they want. You know, one day they go one way, the next day they go the other way, they go some other way.

Still calling the fence something that isn't even a fence. That's exactly right. You know, granted, the true standard there is Satan. But anyway, you know what I mean? But, yeah, it's different, right? Whereas they do whatever is right in their own eyes. Whereas conservatism, true conservatism says here is a standard. We are going to move towards that standard.

And it's just this process of constant renewal. So yeah, you can have physical conservatism and no, you know, in that sense. You can have social conservatism. The longer I live on this world, the more convicted I am, that physical conservatism without social conservatism is useless. You know, it's important to cut taxes. What do I care of taxes are reduced by a percent when children are being mutilated? You know what I mean?

Like, it's important to cut taxes. It's important to be physically responsible, to be economic. I'm an economist, right? It'd be blasphemy if I said it wasn't important. But when you have all of these social issues and these value issues, right? When we are, well, we were talking about this before, when you have, you know, men in the shadows, people who are sacrificing babies literally on molten statues, right? That's an issue. That's, that.

If you try and approach the physical issue alone and not those issues, it's all for not. Right. It's all for not. So I don't know if that answers the question, but it's a few thoughts. No, no, no. It definitely starts to answer where I'm going to position the next one. Because I'm like, okay, so, you know, as a conservative, you know, you get the fiscal responsibility. Yeah. But then there's a social one too that's just like, you know, do we believe men can be girls? And then if they, if we believe that, can they then compete in sports and go into their change rooms?

And, you know, when they get jailed, go into their prison. and on and on and on and on this goes. And so I think, you know, it's getting to the point where that's become pushed back immensely on, right? Like, I mean, Daniel Smith just stood on stage and was cheered very voraciously. Yeah. When she said, you know, we're going to keep female sport, female sport, right? And on and on and on. It's interesting because I watch, you know, the UCP and I watch the Sassie.

and I watch the SaaS party, and I watch, you know, like the conservatives federally say certain things, pay lip service to certain things. Yeah. But I'm waiting to see the rubber hit the road, you know, of like some certain things that are physically conservative, right?

Like where you draw in some certain things, where you reduce government, where we're going to watch Pierre Pollyev and see, does he actually get rid of the CBC? Does he cut the carbon tax? Does he do these things? And I wonder, you know, like, you know, is being loud about these things?

Speaking the truth, talking loud, is that the best way, or is there think tanks and different things to kind of position out to the common public through media or social media maybe, ideas and things like that? Is that maybe the better way to spend your time and energy? Does that make sense?

I don't know if I'm positioning that. I think you can even, you might comment on this. I think you can actually more think about it, reduce the definition of a conservative, especially in this age, to revolutionary, or a rebel, right? Like, you know, we were talking about this earlier. I think you're a rebel in this age if you have a family and raise kids, right?

I think you're a rebel if you have a little place where you have a garden, you farm animals, you know, and you homeschool your children, that's a rebel, right? You're not, people think I'm so rebellious because I'm voting with how the Harvard elites vote. You know, I'm so rebellious because I believe everything Hollywood tells me. And I think those millionaires, those billionaires and the Hamptons and, Hollywood Hills and so on are all, you know, I worship Taylor Swift. I think that's rebellious. No, no, it's the complete opposite. You know, I think you're a rebel if you pursue these ideals of physical constraint, cutting spanding. You're a rebel if you say that men can not be women, cannot be

women and women cannot be men. You know, you're a rebel if you say that the family should be championed and so on. But anyways, back to your point. I don't know if you want to comment on that. Well, yeah, I have a comment on that because of the fact that, I mean, all I hear when you explain that is rationality versus emotionality. Well, I mean, really, when you say conservatism, they're typically more, and I don't even like those words of conservatively stuff, because it's just, it's gotten so. But it's a brand. Yeah, it's a brand. Exactly.

That's what it is. We've been forced to choose Coke or Pepsi. They're hockey franchises. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where it's Calgary Flames. Yeah, exactly. You identify one with whoever your parents supported when you were five. Yeah.

You put that badge on and Calgary Flames are always going to be the best. No matter who's on them. They can even have Matt Kachukuk on there. you'll hope for it. Yeah, can you explain to me, right? So it's a little bit of society in general right now.

It's a little bit where I think you're taking the conversation, Sean, is I mocked these people, but I used to be one of these people. I wanted simple. I just wanted to, you know, coach some hockey,

raise some kids, have a few beers on a Friday night, and then show up three days before an election and talk like I know everything and encourage people to vote like me, right? But then when you say, start, COVID was my time of going like, you better think a little bit deeper here, you know, just going off a cliff and your family was, you impact our family in a major way.

And it's like, okay, now I got to start thinking. And because it's my responsibility for my family, like we were, yeah, we don't need to go it on the COVID trail, but forced me to think. You start looking at these and going, wait a minute, what is a conservative? You know, they're just telling me what I want to hear, but what is a conservative? You know, Pierre Pollyov is going to fix everything. Is he what exactly he's going to fix? What policy is going to fix?

And what are his stance on these other values that you hold dear? Well, he hasn't spoken on that, but I like that he's going to ax the tax. Right? You remember those three words? That rhymes. I like the guys are going to ax the tax. Right. It's like, well, let's just go a little deeper than that. Right.

Where's Lesson Lewis? Right? You know, somebody who's a PhD in law ran for leadership with the conservative party, spoke out during COVID. I haven't seen anything from her until two days ago on social media. I don't see your, somehow the camera's, don't pander her on any of the cuts. She spoke freely.

She spoke against the party whip. And what's her reward in terms of this two-party system? I don't even know. Is she backbench? Does she hold any tent or do you know? Do you follow? Pretty quiet. She's gone.

Yeah. Right? Ph.D. in law is warning us about, what is she spreading on a lot about the global pandemic treaty and digital ID? All the important things. Gone. Yeah.

So Pierre Pollyev is going to save you because you can access the tax. But Leslin Lewis is with a PhD in laws that warning. is buried. I don't buy it. He's not coming to save you. The SaaS party's not coming to save you. The UCP aren't going to save you. Save yourself.

Yeah. Right? You know, when we go back to who, who should we have as politicians, all be business people? I don't know. I kind of,

when you're talking municipal politics, I like that Tanner who hasn't got favors or buddies or cousins and contracts and lobbyists. I like municipal politics much better. We've got a blue color fellow running, and we've got a lot of people. There's a interesting, program that started out of Stanford University.

And it's called, the company's called IDO. And they use design thinking, it's called. And so it comes out of their engineering department. But they try to solve complex problems in a very quick and efficient manner. And when you go and research them, they don't have all business people.

They'll have an artist and an engineer and a doctor and a biologist and a mechanic and a welder and a, right? And if you take people from all walks of society and say, solve the problem, Right. I would like to have somebody from the military, somebody from the blue color, somebody from the white color, somebody from education, somebody who's a musician. That kind of is a cross section of society to debate how should we govern over society. I would like that better than, for example, politics is heavily dominated by lawyers, right? Do I want more lawyers or less lawyers? I want less. Right. So I don't know. So I said like a fresher look at this from a more wide ranging group of people. And the same. talk of conservatism,

the three of us can talk about it, but go randomly sample population, say define conservatism, and tell me the parties that align with that. And people are going to go and say, you know what, the oilers play tonight, and I'll take combo number five ways.

It's easier to brand to. So it's a question of how do we engage people in a more intellectual discussion? You don't have to be conservatives. You know, if you want to vote in. You're hitting on exactly what I'm trying. I'm trying to figure this, like, okay.

if you asked me about anything in the NHL five years ago, for sure, 10 years ago, I could have rattled off every trade. I was in on all the things. I just paid for a babysitter to go watch a municipal election. That's where Sean is today. Okay? I'm getting old, Sean. I'm in a really weird world, you know, where I'm like, oh, my God, am I actually paying

for a babysitter so I can go listen to some people that I'm like, you know, I'm probably never vote for them? but the process is interesting, you know? And I'm like, okay. So then the next question is, how do you engage more people to be like, I don't want Pepsi or Coke, or I don't want combo one.

I want to actually engage in some of these things. And I think I learned, well, I don't know. I throw it to you guys, because Tanner was in Red Deer. 6,000 people, largest in Canadian history. Correct? I'm right in that? Yeah, okay.

So that in itself says that's bigger than anything, John. And what was this? UCPA GM. Okay. To vote whether Daniel, I think 6,000 people showed up to vote whether Daniel Smith is going to be their leader or not. That's why people showed up. I would be

shocked if that number went from 6,000 to 8,000 next year. I would put my money on. It's going to go down. Even if it's 5,000, I think it's going to go down. So I go, okay, but let's talk about Canadian history for a second. We're talking, Johnny McDonald didn't get more people than that. Pierre Elliott Trudeau, the stories

I've heard, never had 6,000 people show up? Isn't that wild? I'm like, that's wild. Then you go down in the States. I've been to one Trump rally. Couldn't get in the building because there was so many people there. It was insane. I thought it would be a big drunk fest, drinking everything.

No, it was actually quite like people were engaged. It was a cross-section of the population. I'm like, how are they doing that? How are they doing that? So then I take a step back and I look at Alberta, because we just had the largest gathering in the history of Canada. How does that make sense? More than Pierre Pollyev's going to get to take out Justin Trudeau.

Think about that. And the only thing I could put my finger on, I could be wrong about this, is the fact there's things like this happening more and more and more in Alberta, where people aren't going, well, I mean, they voted. Daniel Smith, I agree wholeheartedly. People showed up, they voted 91.5% say, we want you as our leader. I don't think you get a clearer message than that. But what's happening is you're getting more conversations like this starting to dig past

the surface level, which means more the population is getting exposed to it. And we need more of this, not less of it. And I wonder if that can spur on some things that COVID did to Ken without having to do the COVID thing. Right? It's the entertainment value is what I'm talking about. People love to hate on David Parker, the 1905 committee, or I don't know, late in gray, Tanner and a day, Sean Newman, any of us for coming on and saying things that go against the, we're just going to follow no matter what.

Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Question for you. Something I've been wrestling with is, Sean, you bring up a good point. I agree with you 100%. The Saskatchewan political scene is a little bit boring, right? Saskatchewites are a little bit more, you know, if you show up to a small town wedding

in small town Saskatchew with a jacked up diesel with subwoofers out the back and LED lights on the bottom, you're going to get mocked, right? It's kind of like, just dress it down. bit, right? It's okay to just go to the dealership, get yourself a good little, you know, F-250 diesel and quietly drive it to the wedding and quietly drive it home. Alberta has more of this almost like a Texas style to it. It's more and it might be good or bad, more of a, you know, six thousand west are coming to regi or to a red deer to yell and scream and demand what we like. And now I wonder two two choices. And you tell me

which which one you folks. Do we have to turn Paul? into WWE to get people interested. You know, I look at Trump, Biden, Harris. It's like, it's more entertainment. I feel like I'm more watching a TV show than I am watching intellectual debate. And, you know, and so Alberta, I'm interested in Alberta because of the David Parker's

and the 1905s and the NDPs and it's all this like, it's very interesting. But should or should politics be boring, stay out of my life? I will show up to vote, but I will think about your policies. And I don't want WWE. You know, does it have to be WD for today's world? that's into smartphone, Instagram, you know, algorithms, unless you give me something really exciting

that I can show up on Friday and watch the fireworks. If it's not fireworks, I'm not watching the title match. I'm not interested. You know, I don't know. Like, and has it always been that way? There's always, it has to be entertainment to get the average person. Yeah.

You know, like, what do you guys think? I think by nature, when you speak truth, it does turn into WWE. Yeah. Like, suppose that Tanner goes to the legislature and stands up in the legislature and just says very simply, very plainly, with no even real emotion,

men can't be women. Well, the next day the papers and the legislature, the legislature would erupt, and the next day the papers will be filled with Applegate says, you know, men can't be women, and there'd be opinion pieces and, you know, newscast that talk about the sexism and the wickedness of Applegate for, you know,

saying such a thing, how could he in this modern age? And so I think if we had politicians who were more apt to speak what was true, and say it plainly, I think you would, even though you wouldn't intend for it to become like WWF, but I think by nature it does. Like we literally crucified the truth.

Right, like that's what man did. Right, here comes a man from Nazareth who speaks truth, who is truth, and what do we do? We killed them. You know, so when you speak truth that that, it will erupt. You know, it's one thing to say, and I think it's one thing to say acts of tax.

Nobody likes that carbon tax. Nobody. So that's, you know, and it's important that tax goes away, it's true. it's another thing entirely, for example, if Pauli were to say, which he doesn't, but if you were to say abortion is wrong. I mean, Trudeau's trying to hammer him on that right now, right? You won't even touch it.

And no one wants to touch it, because they know that if they did speak that, it would be like the gates of hell opened up kind of thing. So I think Ken's right in both senses. I don't think our aim should not be to turn politics into an entertainment thing of, you know, like a grandstanding entertainment episode. But at the same time,

if we stand for what's right and speak truth by nature, the media and so on, it becomes sensational. Yeah. And especially in this age when it's so rare in all around the world to hear almost anyone in politics speak what they think, what they really think, to be true and to actually speak the truth. Well, that was interesting about the UCP AGM. I talked to a lot of MLAs, and they all said off the record. Yeah, yeah. You're going to give me your thoughts off the record because they're worried about party backlash, or maybe not even party. I don't even want to cede that to a thought.

More of like world backlash, giving the NDP things, and on and on. I'm like, what a strange thing. You have to guard yourself so closely. You know, that, you know, like, I mean, you think of the Jennifer Johnson thing. Yeah. You know, like, what did she get harassed for? For going, it doesn't matter how good our test scores are. Yeah.

If we allow this idea that is wrong into our schools, our test scores can be great. But we're going to start mutilating kids and on and on and on. That's what you're saying. I told her. I said it was probably a poor example, the poop and the cookie idea, right? It was probably a poor example. If you could go back and change your wording on it,

you probably would. But overall, the idea is sound. It makes complete sense to me. If you go listen to the audio, you're like, and that's a woman who was forced to sit as an independent for how long until just recently. You know, now she is back in the party.

Yeah. You know, but it's interesting that as a politician, you have to guard yourself so closely. And you wonder, as people, is that just the force of media forcing that on them because they can't honestly be worried

about the NDP, can they? Like people can't be that, I don't know, maybe I'm not making myself but the emotional people are void of context typically. Like they've, there's a war on context going on when it comes to what we deem to be the left.

Like I said before, I hate, I used to call it left or right. I mean, they're all just pawns of some marketing. But if you're emotional context usually goes out the window, right? I think we've all, we're all men here and have probably all dealt with a significant other that typically context becomes irrelevant once she gets emotional.

Am I not right? So at the end of the day, is that's what you see with this, is you can take, they are the kings of taking things out of context, right? Like when you talk about saying that women should, you know, champion women for being good mothers. Yeah. You're not saying that every woman should be a good. mother that they shouldn't do this.

But what you're saying is like we're here to reproduce and build more people and populate the earth with good people. A mother's a very, very important, critical part of that. But yet we can spin that context

because of emotion. Rationality does not allow you to spin context because context then becomes a tool of rationality. You know what I? So if I'm a rational thinker, I need to understand context. otherwise I'm not making a good decision. But if I just want to think emotionally, then I remove the context because then I can stay

emotional. You know what I mean? Like if I want to stay like again, I go to hockey rinks every day for the last or every winter for the last 15 years and do I want to get into a fight with somebody in the crowd every single time? Yes, I do. And if I wanted to think emotionally, I would allow that to happen. because I'll be like, I'm going to go and smash this guy because he's yelling at the

refs, blah, blah, blah. But then you think rationally and you're like, okay, but let's look at the context of this. If I go and knock this guy's face in, I'm probably going to have a little bit of problems moving forward with the law and with, you know, trying to maybe go to various... Be allowed back in a sporting... Exactly. So then rational thinking takes over and you look at the context of the situation and then you don't go and smack this guy up at the fucking hockey game.

some people are void of that now because of the push towards emotion. Like I say, like your phone and everything about it is just trying to elicit an emotional response. It's got emotional, it's got emotion because marketing is emotion. There's somebody that owns a gym that markets emotion. That is if you want somebody, and I shouldn't say this out loud, but I don't give a fuck,

but if you want somebody to buy something for you, create a motion, right? Remove rationality. Because if money becomes an issue, I need to remove rationality and bring in emotion because it'll trump spending. You know what I mean? Like emotional bias, right? So all you have to do is remove irrationality inside emotion, then people will do crazy shit.

Right? So you're explaining to me why 6,000 people showed up to Red Deer. They were worried about 1905 committee, David Parker. Those two in particular came up a lot. and what did David Parker do? He enlisted an emotion out of people. And at one point for David, he got, I think it was a huge part in getting Jason Kenney out,

which we would all agree with. And this time around, he said things, and what did it do? It created an emotional response, and people showed up to ensure that Danielle got kept in place. 1905 committee, Nadine Wellwood, I don't know how many times I got asked about that interview, why I did it.

I'm like, well, that's what I do. I literally talk to people. You know, she has a different view than you. that's good. You can hear things and agree and disagree, but people showed up and were pissed that 1905 committee had people going around handing out a pamphlet saying a bunch of, for the most part, twos would say correct things. These are all right. They didn't care. Emotionally, 6,000 people, and I don't know how many, you know, regularly it gets 1,500 in last year. They had 3,000. It doubled in size pretty much because people were emotionally triggered to show up and

ensure that their vote mattered, their vote counted. I think you're hitting the nail on the head when it comes to politics. Well, you hit the nail out of it comes to life. Life. Walk, wake up in the morning. Sorry, Ken, I'll just, like, I want to say this, but wake up in the morning. You need to be two people. I fail at this most days.

I think most people do, but there is a way to do this. It's like, where do I, I have two weapons I can use to get through this day. I've got rationality and I've got emotion, right? So if I take rationality to a family situation, right, then I'm probably at times taking the wrong knife to the wrong fight if you want to say it, right? Because sometimes with your kids, when they're young, or with your wife, you need to live in an emotional world for a bit. I really suck at this and everybody around me will fucking can confirm. But at the same time, there is there is this need to use that at certain times, right?

So like when it comes to more feelings based, the thing. Things that can only be solved by, you know, de-escalating feelings, sometimes you've got to be emotional to bring it down. You have to be able to sympathize. But then there's other things like when you balance your checkbook. What is it? 20-24? Nobody has a fucking checkbook anymore. But if you, you know what I mean?

If you- It's going to be in terms of e-transfer. Yeah. But you know what I mean? If you're dealing with your money, if you're dealing with your business and stuff like this, you have to take a rational approach and you have to eradicate the emotion. from it or you will just like again is if i have to sit down i fight this every day fucking there's an election on today i show up at the office today at six in the morning and i'm

want to i need to get some shit done but emotionally i'm like what the fuck's the polls at the states this where you know what i mean like i want that emotional dopamine hit fuck what's going on in the world right and then you just got to turn your phone off and get after it and be rational for a little bit like rationality states this is what i should do and if you look at politicians, they get crucified for a lack story to to use such a important

word on something not so important. They get crucified for trying to be rational. Because the media is very emotional. The media has been designed to be emotional because we want to be entertained. And the way they get ad money is by bringing people in.

And you're not entertained by rationality. If we're entertained by rationality, we'd sit and watch a fucking accountant, balance, you know, ledgers and be like, oh my God, this is so fucking cool. Like, look at how you did all that math. It's like, that is the most rational thing you can ever do. Numbers are completely rational. There's no emotion to numbers.

We would, but we don't watch that. What we want to watch is, like you said, the political game is an emotional game. It's a marketed game. It's a brand. And we want to be involved with that, like, tension that comes between fucking Trump or Harris or Polly or Trudeau. Like, uh, we just want it. The oilers in the flames, right?

We want that emotion. And it just consumes us to the point where we then stop to lose, we start to lose context. We just completely lose context of it. And that's how these fucking tyrannical pricks can get into power is because we get emotional. If you wake up every day and just realize that you need to, that there is a difference between the two, which I think that's the problem with a lot of the left is they don't,

there is no rational. Let me push back on you. Oh God bless. What I hear, what I hear from you is that there's, And these labels, I think we can agree the labels are nothing anymore, but there's left and there's right. And we like to say, well, this is Trudeau over here, the left, and over here is the polyevs.

And because we wear the conservative badge that our moms or dads or families gave to us, go Pierre, he's going to save us, he's going to axe the tax. But I wonder if we're not 95% of our population isn't emotional, as opposed to peer polyovs and conservatives and SaaS parties and UCPs are, we're rational and they're all irrational. is crazy. Okay, well, as soon as I throw this to people, so peer polyov, acts of tax, rational, we all agree the tax is bad. And everybody wants to go on one election ago, the conservative party of Canada supported the carbon tax and peer polyev was in that government, quietly supporting

it. They were, they were told you don't speak against it because the party whip says, conservative party of Canada supports the, the carbon tax. Watch what happens when you say that to somebody. Like, no, no, uh, uh, polyevil acts of tax. It's like, yeah, but, But Pollyev was there supporting the carbon tax one election ago. Okay, let's throw another one. Trump is for freedom and Trump is against all the world organizations and he's going to save the U.S. He fathered Operation Warpspeed.

How do you wrestle with that? No, no, he's bringing freedom, right? My point is this, is that I think we're all 95% of our population or more. We're all contaminated with the same virus. It's the phones. It's the thinking things an inch deep. nobody's coming to save you. They're all just giving you the,

some people go to the theater, some people go into the theater one, some people go into theater two. I want to watch a romance novel, I want to watch an action. It's all just entertainment. It's show. They're just going to,

the amount of money these parties spent on polling to figure out which way the wind is blowing each Monday. And if the wind blows in opposite direction, conservative party of Canada, go carbon tax. Polls say,

oh, people are against, we're against the carbon tax. This makes no. sense. I think we have to come down to what is conservative and you need to think about what is a conservative and you need to put a blueprint up to each person and say factually you don't match. I don't care what bad you have on you. I don't care what color jacket you're wearing. I don't care what team you're on. I will think for myself and I call BS. I think we're being fooled. But push back of me. I don't buy I don't buy this. I think you spoke I think I agree. Like that's not,

I don't think that's in the opposite direction of what I was. Oh, no, it's just, what it's comes to government what I would suggest. Yeah. You said earlier is let's instead of hiring like, why do you need to call it Trump, Trudeau, Harris? Why, why do we have to call it that when we don't say, you know, McDavid's playing Crosby? Mm-hmm. You know, like have a team of vote for a team of people that intermingle with their

strengths on. Which team is that? Social issues. You should have emotional people dealing with like that are, right, not you know, emotional but they're versed in emotion you should you know have a team of people no and i don't know what you call it because it's never going to happen because we'll never buy that because we want a brand we buy a brand not a majority of people want easy they want easy right in saskatchewan we just came out of the scatchewan election we were to a place where the ndp is calling for the conservative

party so people believed in a conservative party in scatuan ndp's calling them for them to lower taxes. They want smaller government to lower taxes, right? That's the NDP saying? Yeah. Yeah, they want to, I think they're, uh, what were they, we talked about Tuesday the day. And Tuesday was even like, I don't know about that. Let's fact, holy smokes. They are. Right. So I don't know. I'm just like, I don't know if I could fix everybody. I can't fix anyone. All I can do is just think of my own, try to detach, you know, because of these politicians, a career politician, what is their skill? We say, you should have some skills to go into government. Well, what is a career politician's skill? Saying something without saying anything

so they don't get in trouble with their party and the whip doesn't kick them out because then they get the bad dripped off them and then they've lost their power and they lose the following election. They're word smiths. I think you said that once. They're good at words and they're good at spinning minds and reading polls and dumbing the sound. Hasn't that been? It might be every, it might be all the as old as time. Might be. Nothing new under the sun. I don't think that's, you go read the Bible. Like, I mean, once again, I just feel like all the answers are just sitting there. This isn't something new. No. That politicians got to 1900 and all of a sudden became something different.

Like that, the world of politics has been the same thing for as long as you can remember. It's been, it's been, how do you navigate the population to get what you want? Look at predating the Bible. Look at the philosophers. They're, their words. They're literally wordsmiths. right that's they come out and say words and we're like holy shit those words seem to really resonate with me right we don't know who the hell they were like they or who they were as people right we but we have their their words right like you read marcus aurelia stuff right now but is he was he pre-christian or pre when was he around last year did a pre-dated christ let me yeah yeah

but again if you read that i have that book yeah yeah i've met Yeah, a lot of good stuff in there. Yeah. Is it fucking rocket science? No. But he didn't, he didn't use a lot of words to say nothing. Right. Right?

To me, this modern day politics is, and maybe like you see, maybe the Marcus-Rilis wasn't Kamala Harris. Right. But that's just politics. Right, like you talk about something. And at the end, it sounded really nice. And then you're like, what the hell did they actually say? No.

I'm actually more confused than when I got in here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, nothing at all. You know, people, you know, on the words thing, you know, with the Cornerstone Forum, May 10th, you know, I'll do my plug. My own show, you know, May 10th, get your tickets. They're the cheapest they'll be, folks, until we get a little closer than they're going up.

But, like, one of the things I get a little bit of pushback with with some of the speakers that come in, it's like, oh, I need half an hour to say what I need to say. And I'm like, no, this show you don't. Like, if you can't get it in 13 and a half minutes, you're not getting anything. Because the ideas I'm after are simple. They're actually really simple ideas, you know. Changing the world is, you know, or great, grand-dose ideas of how to, electrify society.

You don't need to put on an eight-hour workshop. You can, and there are time in place for that. At times, you know, there's a reason why you have a business card, and it has a little slogan, and what are you about? Oh, you're about, I don't know, electric buses. Okay. You know, maybe a bad idea where we live. Maybe just throwing that out there, you know.

But the thing with politicians is at times, they can get up on stage and almost drone on so much. You forget why you're there. At the end of it, you're like, why did I come here again? Where am I? Joe Rogan for the last two weeks. Like having all the politicians, like I watched that Trump while half of it.

I was like he's not saying anything. Like I said, obviously, I prefer his shit sandwich versus the other one if I was an American. But I've always said, you're going to eat a shit sandwich. It's just which one do you want to taste different, I guess. But again, even he's like,

they're like, he's Mr. conservative. He ain't saying shit. It's just a bunch of, words for three hours and everybody's like yeah you're the man because you went on joel rogan do you remember you and me talking long time ago years ago tanner tanner today thank you for running for politics because we need some non-politicians to be doing this all and i'm not saying just from one side of this left right everywhere everybody should be engaged everybody should be trying

for putting your name for it i mean i've done it before it's a lot of work isn't it it's a lot of work and then you have people trying to run your name through the mind and all the rest but tanner you said something to me years ago, and I disagree with you, and now I have 100% of agreeance, is if everybody focuses on their own home, right, makes themselves strong, by default, the community is strong, and by default, that community will demand strong leaders. If we are in a weak place looking for somebody to fix our problems, it won't happen. And I wonder if waiting for the Trumps or the Pollyabs or the Harris's or the, you just name to say, oh, I'm putting my name pick with them because they're going to ask the tax

and then my life will be better. It won't be. And they might just support the tax four years from now and they're going to do a dance for you. And they have no intention. They're politicians who want to win the Stanley Cup. They don't, peer polyevil never know your name unless you volunteer for him and donate to his party in this night.

He'll never know your name. He's not going to come visit you. He doesn't really care about you. And neither does Trudeau and neither does Trump. Just take care of your family. Get strong individually. You know, support your local politics. I say get down to the community level.

If you, if you just wake up and do the right thing, it's hard for them to control you. Really. Like the reason why politics has become the WWE is because we've become so dependent on it. Like we think like the carbon tax, right? Do you pay more? Sure. Right. At the end of the day, though, is it's like, somebody else is just going to have a different tax.

Like you said, Pollyov might ax the tax. But then he's just going to have his own thing. But if you are a fucking loser and you need to live off the government, it don't matter what government comes in, you're still living off of them. Like, you're still dependent on them. So it really doesn't matter who's in there.

What matters, like if you can just not fall into the traps that we all do. And like I said, I'm not speaking as some, you know, great proprietor of these concepts. It's just a very, easy thing to see is if you take care of yourself like i said i own a gym if you take care of yourself

you're probably not going to die as easy i don't think that's fucking groundbreaking if you're good with money the government's systems don't really affect you a whole lot you know what i mean like if you can get cheap food there's cheap food out there then you don't you're not part of this inflation and all this stuff but if you're if you're dependent on all those vices that they provide you with then you care about Pollyev and Trudeau. You're talking about my idea behind the cornerstone. I mean, I hate to bring it back to that again. But like, if you are trusting of the government,

you walked into COVID and you got out of COVID what you got out of COVID. And some people unplugged in time and some didn't and some are still hooked in. And, you know, I was at, we're at Costco over the weekend. And there was a guy, like, I was. If you almost shocked a guy wearing a mask, and you're like, really? And I looked around and I'm like, huh, okay. You know, like, I mean, whatever. But I go back to the Cornerstone and I go, I wish, if I could go back and do anything

different with the podcast, I go back to before COVID and I just start staring at it because I've talked to enough people that saw it coming for what it was months in advance and just navigated it. It doesn't mean it wasn't hard on them. It certainly was. I don't think anyone just skated through there and had no issues. because we're all reliant on society at some level, right? At some level, you just are.

Whether it's even just as simple as your family, your extended family, right? Laws, police, fireman, sure. Right. And so you look at the future and I go, are we ever getting COVID 2.0? I don't know. We can have our argument on that. But I can tell you that, you know, like inflation is there. And if you're not paying attention to it,

then slowly but surely all of a sudden your paycheck just doesn't get as far. Why is that? And if you start paying attention to it, maybe you can start doing things a little differently, so your family isn't nearly as hurt. And I look at, so, you know, go back to the cornerstone, one of the ideas is looking into the next year, maybe a couple of years and go, what's coming?

Because I think as soon as you get past a year, maybe two, you have all these grand ideas, 2035, we're going to have no, what's the new one? We're going to have no, we're going to have all zero emission vehicles sold. That's Gibo. And I go, that won't happen. In the next couple of years, Pierre is going to put his foot down on that. I think he is, and boot that out the door.

I think now. Could it happen? I don't know, but there's, you know, there's 10 years plus to deal with that. In the near future, what are we actually dealing with? And one of the ones that I always point back to was, and people are probably tired of me talking about this, was mortgages, interest rates, you know, and if you'd been paying attention to it, you've already navigated that. But if you weren't, then you got caught flat-footed, now you're paying a little extra. Is it the end of the world?

No, you're just paying a little extra. You could sell your home tomorrow and get out from it and do other things. You have all these options. but if you feel like you have no options, then you look at the future, and you can't see ways around it. And Kenny's got to go pee. He's like, I'm sneaking out of here.

Just knock it when you do back in, Ken. Don't even close the door. You're all good. I don't know. Sorry, I just, I'm getting caught. I'm going in a long train of thought here. But the cornerstone is to try and put the ideas in place in front of the community,

this community that listens to this, and is around you of like, oh, I hadn't thought of that. And then trying to position some ideas or some solutions or some community to help so that, you know, the next year or two or three, you've got things in line, you know, Ken's, you know, garden and animals and homeschooling. For some, that's exactly it. Others can function quite well with having their kids in public school and have different things that, you know, does everybody got to do the exact same life?

No. People are going to make what works for them. but we need to start seeing what's coming because they're about as bad a passer in a game of hockey. They're telling you exactly where they're passing the puck. All you got to do is just step in front of it, pick it up and go the other way in life, I think. I don't know.

Tanner, both Tanner's are staring at me. Maybe I'm like, maybe I'm talking in cryptic. I don't know. Your wisdom is wisdom from the proverbs. You want to know what's coming in the future? Look at the past. Ecclesiastes says the same. So the reason I think people are able to telegraph,

or at least were able to, you know, quote unquote, prophesy what was going to happen with COVID is because they had seen and studied how governments operated in years prior. And so, you know, not much of a surprise. Yeah. So will it happen again, you know, if allowed to? Absolutely. Absolutely. No question about it.

Because it's just the way governments operate. They love the power. And like, you know, it's not just, it's we look at the, we often look at the faces that we see, Trudeau and Pollyup, you know, and that's, and, you know, that's issues in itself, but look at the ones behind you can't see in the shadows. That's malevolent, really malevolent, yeah, the ones that tell those guys what to do. You know, you look at just how, how, just how sinister everything is in that realm, right?

It's like, who's the first politician, you know, even from the Bible? Who do you think? Like, I'd say Kane, right? Kane kills his brother, so that's a political actor. And then God says, where's your brother? And Kane's like, not my problem, you know? It's like, it's typical, right? He commits some great evil, like happens with government, and then he says,

Not my fault. Don't know. You know, it's the same thing with, that's the way politics works. You have politicians who pass some policy. And then the, the consequences of that policy are horrific. And all of a sudden government says, either, one, it's not my fault. Or two, if we didn't pass that policy, it would have been so much worse. You know, and so you go back.

And what does Kane do? Well, he builds a city and starts his own little government and puts up walls and all those things. And so, yeah, I think I'm excited for the day when there are no more politics. Yeah, very excited for that day. Just by nature, it's just it's a fallen, it's a fallen enterprise. Yeah, it's a fallen enterprise. Any final thoughts, fellas? I know there's some things that people have to get to.

So I've enjoyed the conversation, but if there's some final thoughts, fire away. We have final thought for Tanner. He's the one, or Tanner today with your. for another podcast or other discussion, do we focus on rationality to explain things logically or do you have to learn how to sell WWE in order to be a proponent of change? That's something I'm wrestling with.

That's a good question. And I have to also remember to not give up hope. I hope and pray for you, Tanner. Appreciate it. And for all of our municipal politicians that our city moves in a positive direction. And yeah, thanks, Sean, for having this fun. I just hope the city can build a road once.

That'd be good to see. If you get in there, just instead of painting rainbows on everything, just build a road properly once the first time. That'd be sweet. Tired to having construction on the same road. Fucking 10 years in a row. Because they keep doing it wrong. Thanks, Jans.

Oh, Tadder, do you have last words? No, I think that that sounds up nicely. That did. Sorry, Sean, it's your podcast. Shut up, Ken. This is my room. Closing thought, Sean. Thanks, Sean.

Thanks, guys.