Shaun Newman Podcast - #748 - Dr. Robert Dickson

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Robert Dickson a.k.a. “Dr. Bob” is a family doctor in Calgary who is the founder of Safe Water Calgary. We discuss the history and the issues with Flouride being in drinking water. Cornerstone Forum ‘25 https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/ Clothing Link: ⁠⁠⁠https://snp-8.creator-spring.com/listing/the-mashup-collection⁠⁠ Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Silver Gold Bull Links: Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone]

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I'm talking about Dr. Robert Dixon, a.k.a. Dr. Bob. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today. I'm joined by Dr. Bob, uh, sir. Thanks for hopping on. My absolute pleasure, Sean. Great to chat with you.

Now, I got throwing your, I don't know, a video or two of you a while back, not that long ago, actually, a couple weeks ago. So shout out to Rhett for hooking this up. Thanks, Ed. But I don't know. Maybe people all know who Dr. Bob is. Maybe they don't. Maybe we could just start with a little bit about yourself and then get into, obviously,

the fluoride and everything else. Well, I'm probably more infamous than famous. Dr. Bob or Robert Dixon, born in Tofield, Alberta, beautiful downtown. I say the people I'm from T.O. And they say, oh, Toronto, and I said, no, Toofield. And so, yeah, I was, well, as my dear past sister, who is a major psychiatrist, used to say the Dixon males have slower neuronal maturation. So I didn't really start into things until I was 25, took a degree in.

And what's called kinesiology now was physical education back in the day. And then that led me into paramedics, a two-year paramedic program at Sate. And then at 33 years old, I went back to medicine and became a medical doctor. And at that age, I didn't want to go into a specialty. I thought maybe emergency might be the way I was headed, but that was another five years. So I went into two years of family medicine residency, became a family doctor at 38 years old.

So I've been a licensed practicing doctor in Calgary since then. retired from my large family practice in Market Mall 11 years ago. I still work one day a week and sit with the same organization and kind of walk-in, emergency care, urgent care kind of setting. And then they have a six-day weekend, which ends today, actually. And then four months off in the winter to go somewhere warmer than Calgary. So that's just kind of a sweet gig right now. I would say a six-day weekend.

Yeah, all right. Now, so as far as my fluoridation activities, I was a pro-fluridationist. Didn't really give it a lot of thought as a busy family doctor. We have so many things come across our desks. And in 1989 was the first plebiscite in Calgary that actually passed water fluoridation. Four previous had defeated it narrowly. This one passed it narrowly in 1989. Took him two years to build the infrastructure, which has to be quite robust to handle

hydrofluoreslicic acid that scrubbed out of the fertilizer industry stacks to create fluorate for us. And so by 1991, we had fluoride in Calgary Water for the first time. Now, you're in Lloyd Minster. Is that correct? Correct. Correct. I don't think you have Florida water there. Well, it shows it on the website that it is in Lloyd. I didn't think we did, but it shows it on the website as being there. I didn't think you did neither because primarily Red Deer was the first one in 1959 to go fluoridated and then Edmonton, Grand Prairie, and Leopardy all around the same time in the later 60, 67, 1967 around in there, became fluoridated. Medicine Hat never has, and Calgary then didn't until 1991. And so the activist continued pounding away at City Council and the powers that be, and they forced another plebiscite in 1998 in Calgary.

And before the plebiscite, they formed an expert committee. Well, I think you know, know and I know that maybe most, hopefully most people know it there, that if one forms an expert committee, it depends on who's choosing the expert committee. So if I chose the expert committee, Florida would be to Mars by now with Elon Musk, but I didn't have any role in that, and that it did any of the anti-floredationists. It was all pro-floredationists that chose the expert panel. So you can imagine what those five people were. Four of them were rabid pro-fluidationists, And the fifth one was a neutral fluoridation naive statistician. And so they poured over the literature, the science that was given to them by the powers of B.

And a few months later, they came out with, oh, yeah, fluoride, safe and effective, except for the one guy. They voted four to one. And the statistician who voted against it was never seen or heard from again. So they passed it. They put that to city council. City council formed a plebiscite and used that as advertising, propaganda. Alberta Health, Alberta Dental Association, Calgary Health, Health, Health Canada,

all those organizations supported it and told people they should vote for the safe and effect the process called water fluoridation. And on we went. If I may, Dr. Bob, just, I just wanna slide this in. You were talking about Alberta. So on the Florida free, or Florida, fluoride-free Canada,

it shows Alberta having 11 communities that have fluoridation, Barhead Camrose, Drumheller, Eminton, Grand Prairie, Hinton, Lethbridge, Lloyd, Minster, Red Deer, St. Albert, and Watasco. Yeah. Okay, some of the, they sort of mid-sized communities then. Yeah. So that makes up a vote.

I think they should say about 42% or 43% is Floridaated in Alberta. Does that sound right? Here, I'll pull up the map. It says 42.4% of Alberta is floridated. And here, maybe I'll do a bit more of Canada, so people where they're listening from can see where they're at. It says BC at 1.2%, which actually kind of surprised me. Saskatchewan at 39.6.

Manitoba at 69% Ontario at 71.1. Quebec at 2.5, New Brunswick, 1.2, Nova Scotia, 46.9. PEI at 24.2. Newfoundland at 1.5. None of it at 28.8, Northwest Territory, 64.9. And the Yukon at 0%. So there's all the updated percentages of different provinces of where you live. Thank you.

And there's quite a range there, as you can see. Yes, absolutely. From zero to some higher numbers. Ontario 71.1, yeah. Yeah, that's the highest for sure. And I'll just update Quebec for you. Quebec is now at 99.6% not Floridaated. That's because of the great work of our colleague, Gilles Parentha, a natural path there,

and one of his organizations called Osecure, which is a conglomeration of about 300 organizations that fight for clean and safe water and against water fluoridation. So Quebec, by the end of this year, we'll probably be at 100% not floridated. Next to Ontario, which is 71%, and then BC at, yeah, 98. I usually quote 98 point whatever percent, not floridated in BC. And guess what? Vancouver's kids' teeth are just as good or better. They're actually better than Toronto's kids' teeth. and Toronto's been fluoridated since 1967.

So can we go back? I don't know how, I assume you know the history of putting fluoride in water. I'm just kind of curious, right? Like it starts, it says on the website, 1945, Grand Rapids, Michigan became the first community in the world to add fluoride to tap water on the premise it would prevent tooth decay. So when you bring up the panel experts, I'm like, yeah, my panel experts, it'll be a lot different. then, well, I just go always back to COVID, right? If I had my way on my COVID expert panel or what the government had, we're a little different. It's a little different story.

It's kind of like Preston Manning's inquiry versus the national citizens inquiry, right? Like they both kind of just feel a little different. So when you look at fluoride in the history of it, can you, like, why did they, like, I get it, the premise is they don't want it tooth to kick. So were we just having a crazy amount of tooth decay back in the 40s, 30s, 20s? I don't know. And that's why all of a sudden they're like, we got to do something. And that's how they get it past the public?

Or what was going on? I like the way you phrase that. That's well thought out gives us a lot of aspects there to tackle. It actually started in the early 1900s when dentists in the United States found kids with really brown teeth in Colorado and in Texas. And then they said, they looked at them closer and they went, well, these kids. kids have no cavities. They got brown mottled teeth, they have no cavities. And so they dug into that and they found that they had high levels of natural calcium fluoride in the water, which the entire Earth has calcium chloride in the crust and in the groundwaters. And it's tightly bound. Floreate is tightly bound to

calcium. But it's still dangerous. It's still toxic. And in higher levels, it will really wreck habit. Those brown teeth are the first signs of actually whole body toxicity. And so these kids are having to be. And so these kids are having toxification not only in their teeth, but in their brains and their pineal gland and in other parts of their bodies, too. If you look at places in China and India that have high calcium fluid in their groundwaters, they have younger people that are essentially crippled with skeletal ferrosis. They're bent over, hunched over, they can't walk very well, they can hardly move. And they're not doing very well. And, of course, the IQ studies that have come out of China for many years, well, that's a foreign place.

they don't do it like we do. Yeah, well, right, they have high calcium fluoride, and they've done the studies, and there's some smart people there, and they found some pretty major decreases in IQ there. So natural calcium fluoride's not safe. So then around World War I before, even before the start of World War II, I should say, in the 1930s, the aluminum industry was having a big problem, because they were producing a lot of aluminum back in the day, and they were pouring out hydrofluoresilic acid, which is the waste product from aluminum processing and fertilizer processing. And around these aluminum plants, plants were dying, animals were dying, workers were getting sick, and so they had to kind of find a way to whitewash fluoride.

So that was kind of the start of it, in my opinion, where government agencies or businesses who got into whitewashing it. World War II was huge. What's that major three-hour movie that just came out a year or two ago about making the Adam bomb? It was silver. Oppenheimer. Yeah, Oppenheimer, right.

And that one mentioned fluoride a few times, and there were fluorine gas more accurately, because they needed huge amounts of fluorine gas to make the atom bomb. And again, if you're making fluorine gas, you're spewing out some of the waste products and some of the excess. And so it came to be a collusion in the 40s of military, medical, and industrial. So those three powers, medical, industrial, and military. So they came up with the atom bomb. That was successful.

They got their fluorine gas. Then after World War II, it was when those studies started that you talked about. And it was Newburgh and Kingston, so one florida did and one knot. And they didn't finish the study. Again, very typical of how poor fluoridationists operate. They cherry picked and used that study. Just that one study didn't even finish it to say that, oh, Florida is safe and effective for kids. Now, we should backtrack just a little bit.

Does the name Edward Bernays ring a bell to you, B-E-R-N-A-Y-S? He was the founder of modern-day propaganda. He actually wrote a book called Propaganda in 1929. And he was hired by the cigarette companies, by the tobacco companies, to whitewash smoking. And, well, you probably went around in the 30s. Probably not. I wasn't either. But there's lots of evidence to note that the cigarette companies used Edward Bernays' campaign propaganda

to have doctors sitting in their office in their white coats with a cigarette and telling a pregnant woman that, yes, you should be smoking during your pregnancy because it relaxes you more and helps you through your pregnancy, and you'll come up with a healthier baby. That was Edward Brunet's. He was so successful as that campaign that the Florida Asian industry hired him after in the 1940s, late 1940s.

And sure enough, by 1950, he had letters, thousands of letters going out to doctors and dentists, mostly in the states, some in Canada, though. And afterwards, he said, he admitted, that that was the easiest program he'd ever had in his entire life was to convince doctors and dentists that Florida was safe and effective for kids. And to this day, that problem,

propaganda is standing safe and effective. So that's kind of in a nutshell, how it came about. Well, those words are about as triggering as it gets safe and effective at this point. So I'm like, all right, yeah, fair enough. So Edward Bernays, Edward Bernays is hired at, you know, as you talk that story through, I'm like, oh, I have heard this man because I'm, I'm sure I've wrote down propaganda before. I'm sure it's sitting somewhere because I've heard this. and yet I'm okay so I'm sitting there all right so you got this world war two going on you got we're trying to build the A bomb etc etc you got these products that they can't get rid of are causing a lot of problems health problems and they're like well how can we take something bad and turn it into something good oh we're putting in people's drinking water they'll make their teeth white I don't know I don't know does it make the teeth white I don't know no it makes them brown so so it's something so

So the problem is- Oride makes the teeth brown? This is going back to your Colorado thing. If you have too much of it. So what hydrofluorosilic acid pumped into our, so that comes straight out of the fertilizer stacks in Florida, China, Mexico. None of us cleaned in any of those countries. It comes into holding tanks because it's scrubbed out of the stacks

because it's not allowed in the air, in the ground, or in any of the rivers, lake, streams, or oceans. Not allowed anywhere by strict law. So they have to put it in these holding tanks, and then they developed this way, to convince people in communities. It was good and safe and effective for water fluoridation.

I'm going to stop you for one second. I want to make sure my brain hurt all that correct. It's not pretty much allowed anywhere in the world. Right? Like if you just did, we got to put it in holding tanks because it can't go in lakes, rivers, streams, ponds, ground, air, oceans. And yet they convinced us monkeys

that putting it in our drinking water was a smart thing. I just want to make sure I heard that correct. Instead of them having to dispose of it in plants like our Swan Hills plant up north that costs a huge amount of money to correctly dispose of toxins. So they'd have to pay a lot of money per time to dispose of that or they sell it to us, put it in our city water and get paid for it and you and I get to dispose of it in our bodies. Isn't that a great end around it? you're making me want to start drinking something different real fast okay carry on with this yeah so um okay where do we go from there so it's not a good concept oh the other thing you're

talking about china you were talking about sorry i didn't mean to interrupt because i know i get people's uh i interrupt where their brain is going you were talking about china and uh them taking all of the the toxins and putting it into these holding tanks and So it is just the hydrofluoreslisic acid mainly that comes out. That's the main byproduct. But it comes along. If you're drilling and you're crushing up rocks for fertilizer, for phosphate fertilizer, or you're smelting aluminum or whatever,

there's other smaller entities that come along, like lead, like arsenic, like mercury, strontium, bromium, cadmium, you know, trace elements, but that's not cleaned out. If you brush your teeth with fluoride, it's going to be sodium fluoride. That's clean, that's pure. that's regulated, that's monitored, none of the stuff that comes into a drinking water is clean or purified or monitored. So that in itself should be just a major alarm dial. And I'm going to segue quickly into something else because if you put it in your water, you can't control dose or dosage, you drink 10 glasses, I drink one, you get 10 times the dose, no control.

Oh, good people, we're lowering the concentration. We're controlling the concentration at 0.7 parts per million. That has nothing to do with dose or dosage. any medical person will tell you that and a lot of late people can too. You drink 10, I drink one, you're getting 10 times the dose. And if you put it in water, if you try to medicate with water, what happens? Well, we drink maybe one at most 5%. Let's even give them 10%. So 90% of water goes back out into our rivers, lakes, and streams unchecked

with the rest of the hydrofluoresic acid that we didn't sequester in our bodies. It goes into nature, into the environment unchecked. The environmentalists should be raging about this. So why aren't they? Because they don't know, because we're not allowed to educate, because we're not allowed by the press to put anything. They don't put anything antifluid ever. For the last five or six years, we haven't had a thing in the press

because they've been told by the powers that be that control the purse strings, you shall not ever report anything anti-fluidation. And so they don't. They can do some pro fluoridation stuff. They can talk about, you know, Calgary's restarting their fluoridation program or whatever. That's fine. But I can't report on the science against it, on the brain damaging kids. They're going to have a real hard time as Donald Trump gets in and RFK Jr's walking around talking about shutting down fluoridation in the water.

I mean, it's going to be pretty hard not to notice that. Yes, exactly. And that's a good point. And now we at Safewater, Calgary, Florida Free Canada, which I chair, as well with the Florida Action Network in the States that I'm a member, active member of. We're trying not to go with the politics of it. And we're trying to let that kind of run its course. But like you say, it is out there big time.

I just take the politics out of it. One of the biggest names is going to get a platform in the United States of America. He's got it all. Right. And he's already talking about it. So they could act like we're not going to talk about this issue. But this issue is going to get talked about. He's going to get talked about a lot.

You know that Kennedy was appointed so far as head of HHS, human and health services in the States, the biggest health organization going. Yes. So heads are going to roll. Believe me. Well, I mean, it's just you think you can not talk about things. Okay, sure, have fun with that world.

That world's dying real fast. Well, the old guard is going down. But, Sean, they are talking about it. They're talking about it in a big way. They're yelling and screaming and kicking and saying that, yeah, well, those studies are faulty. and the judge didn't know what he's doing in California when he made that ruling. We should probably talk about that.

Sure, sure. Let's bring up California. Yeah, please do. It was actually federal court in California. And there's Judge Edward Chen, and we just won a seven-year, seven-year lawsuit. And Judge Chen just came up with his pronouncement, with his writings on the trial, his findings on September 24th of this year, so just a month and a half ago or whatever. And so we won that after seven. years against the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency in the States. And that's a precedent

center. That's the biggest case they've ever lost. They hardly ever lose. So we won that, and they said, Judge Chen said that, yes, it is a neurotoxin, and that EPA has to do something about it. No, he didn't have the power to stop fluoridation for over 200 million Americans. And neither does RFK, as much as I love the guy. He doesn't have the power to do that. But it, it's a lot of And he's been a bit more nuanced lately, and he said, well, on January 20th, I'm going to start the process of ending water fluoridation, and that he will do. He'll send out to all the water organizations, all the water work systems, all their communities, municipalities, to California that has mandated many years ago to fluoridate every city above 5,000 people.

And there's several other states that have mandatory water fluoridation laws too. So he'll send out to all those people, all those organizations, that there's good evidence now that Florida is neurotoxic, brain damaging for our fetuses, babies, and kids, and that we just shouldn't be doing this anymore. So we won that core case, and that is a really big feather in our caps. That's a big stick for us to wield. But also this year, we've won several other things, too. So going chronological order, the last thing was the Cochrane Collaboration. Are you familiar with the Cochrane Collaboration? It's the gold standard of medical evaluation. So everybody medical and dental would know about that.

The public knows a lot less about it. But they've been evaluating for decades, all new medical technologies, treatments, public health, that sort of thing. And it's pretty much an unbiased collection around the world of top experts, scientists, doctors, researchers and so in 2015 they came out with an evaluation of pro-fluidation and they said well folks there's nothing here there's like 19 studies that are worth they're possibly partly worthwhile they're not even good studies but they're sort of worthwhile and only three of them been done since 1975 so they said well

toothpaste if you want to do it do it topically and then the Cochran just came out with another review last month in October and it's basically said There's no efficacy. There's no effectiveness of water fluoridation. At the very most, 4%. And 4%'s teeny tiny. The pro fluoridation has said for decades now, 25% decreasing cavities. Well, okay, there's 25% right there.

Half, yeah. 25%. 25% sounds pretty good, doesn't it? We're reasonably good. We're reducing something by 25%. But that equates if it comes to the numbers to half to one cavity a lifetime. So we kind of gave them that number.

There's lots of studies to refute that, but we kind of gave them that as they're jumping off point. But now these new studies, like the Cochrane Collaboration report, shows zero to four percent. So just this tiny little zero to four percent, which is virtually nothing. Yeah. Yeah. And the Lotus study out of England, which was earlier this year, 2024, 6.4 million participants. And that showed zero to three percent. And they said, yeah, probably closer to zero, but we can't.

crunch it down that much, but zero to three percent. Well, give them three percent. That's nothing. I mean, are you going to spend millions of dollars and handle this volatile product that if it's spilled in your office, that it would eat through your concrete there, through your desk, through your microphone, and you'd have to get people in hazmat suits in there

to clean it up? You're going to put that in their public water and toxify kids' brains. Toxify your or my pineal glands. Do you know about the pineal gland in the back of the brain? I certainly know a little bit about it. Yeah. Deceited soul, you know, our connection with higher powers, with intuitive things, it calcifies.

When you say it calcifies, what do you mean? It just deposits calcification. It would be like maybe rust in a radiator or something like that. It just calcifies it. It deposits calcium around it. And then eventually it doesn't work very well. And if you have too much, it doesn't work at all. So we'll kind of, you know, we'll kind of be zombie-like and...

I hate to go to tinfoil hat here, but I mean, at the same time, I'm like, okay, I've listened to too many people. I've had too many people on this side. I've read too many bloody books and where you realize what happens after World War II and the people that come over and are coming over during World War II and et cetera, et cetera. And now you're talking about kel's fine, the penile gland and I'm going, okay. That is, there's no way they didn't know that was going to happen. Oh, they're doing that for decades. Right. Okay. So, so, so you're pulling up a book. What book do you got? The case against fluoride. The best book ever written about fluoridation. And it's by my good friend, Dr. James Beck over here.

Okay. Another dear friend, he's from Calgary. He's one of my mentors at the University of Calgary Medical School, PhD and MD out of the States. I may as well tell you this segue too. And anyway, Paul Conant, whose PhD, had a Florida Action Network and Dr. Meckling, who's now passed out of England.

And anyway, excellent, excellent book written in 2010. That was a big part of our, or a part of us getting Calgary Council to stop fluoridation in 2011. And where was we going to go with that? Well, I guess I just want to finish,

my thought on you, Dr. Bob. I'm like, okay. So one of the things that when I get into this discussion, and even, I'll just, I'll just put it on a younger Sean, right? I go, I've been drinking town water, city water for forever.

I'm fine. What's the big deal? Just think how smart you'd be if you hadn't done that, though. Sean, people like you and me will never know. It's the people that, if you put it on the bell curve, of IQ,

So there's a certain number of people at the bottom end of that bell curve that are mentally challenged, that we have to take care of in society, that we have to assist, that we pay money for, whatever. And at the other end of that bell curve, there's a small percentage of people that are brilliant, our geniuses, kind of leader society or wayshores, whatever. There are people that we need more up really. So if you take even a three IQ point loss, societally, population-wise, you're going to shift that bell curve,

and you're going to shift it to a point that there's 50% more of the mentally challenged folks and 50% less of the geniuses we really need. I mean, that can really crater a society. It can have a major effect. You and I might not miss three or five IQ points. I'm sure I've done away with more than that in my wayward youth. but the kids do.

And this affects fetuses because it crosses the placental barrier. It affects minds and the IQ because it crosses the blood-brain barrier, which is supposed to protect us and fetuses and the placental barrier as well. It's supposed to protect us from all these toxins and these things that damage us. How long have you been working on this? Only, what times it now? 25 years. 25 years.

Yeah. Over 25 years, I assume you've had a lot of time to contemplate this. And a lot of time I've tried not to. Well, I just look at it and I go, okay. So, so do people, do people just write it off like the health experts, the environmentalists, right? Like all, do they just write it off? Oh, it's, you know, like it's inner water and nobody's dropping dead right beside me.

And so they just don't see it. It's kind of like this, the slow, gradual thing. It's kind of, I don't know, this COVID thing in a different shape and form. We are monitoring. We are monitoring all those studies. We are monitoring but never do anything about them. It's just as a, for instance, we're done a Leffbridge presented for Leffbridge City Council about 10 years ago. And they brought in some pretty heavy hitters.

They brought medical officers of health from all over Alberta to testify against Dr. Beck and myself. We were the only two anti-fluidationists presented to City Council during that entire day. They brought in the chief dental office chief dental officer from Health Canada, and he was a real flaky guy that flew around the world, promoting asbestos, selling Canadian asbestos to other companies when we knew how much harm it was doing. Anyway, he comes into Left Bridge, and he's interviewed by Sidney Press, and he went,

you guys have been fluoridated since 1967, and I don't see a single person walking around here with horns, so it must be okay. This is the chief dental officer of Canada. Sorry. So I guess we could mention that. Well, I just, I, sorry, I guess I was waiting, like, to me, so they fly around and they go, nobody's got horns. Yeah. But you're like, but hey, moron, that's what we're not talking about. We're not talking about horns.

We're talking about the slow deterioration and you have to pay attention in order to see it. Bioaccumulation, which is a slow process, Sean, for sure. Yeah. Okay. Well, if we're talking about politicians and city councils, we also presented in front of red deer a few years back, and the mayor was avidly pro-fluoride, and he was on his way out maybe in a few months or a year, and he wanted to have water fluoridation as his legacy. He'd just helped the poor kids, and he'd got water fluoridation solidified there.

And so he set up this process, a day-long process again presenting in front of counsel, Dr. Rebecca and I for the first two hours in the morning, and then the Medical Officer of Health in in Mebenton for two hours after us, and then a lunch break, and then we did the same thing in the afternoon. Now, a fair process would flip those around because if you present after somebody,

you can counteract or correct some of the mistakes that they might have made. So this Medical Officer of Health, very bright guy from Edmonton, he presented after us, and at that time, the Harvard Metanalysis had just come out showing studies from all around the world, so that would be China and Mexico, Mexico and few in Canada in the United States, but it's showing brain damage.

And if you look at these plot points on a graph, there's a standard deviation. And I don't think there's any point in explaining standard deviation here. But you've got the midpoint there, you're either causing harms or you're causing good things, and most of the things were towards the harm side. And so there was 0.4 standard deviations towards harm. And that equated to, if you break that down and crunch the numbers, that's seven I points in fluoridated cities. So that's not just in North America, that's also in China, but you know, they do some pretty good work there too. Profluridationists to deny that, but they do.

So in this last presentation part in the morning, he mentioned that, well, those pro fluoridationists who mentioned that study to you in the morning and said seven IQ points, that's not right. It's point four. It's right here. It's 0.4 standard deviations. It's 4.4 IQ points. So that's negligible. I mean, we shouldn't even be talking about that. And And then we went for lunch break. And so I went and printed off the study form with that graph showing the point four standard deviation. And I said to him, well, you understand this, don't you?

Like you're a doctor, you're a scientist, you're a researcher. You understand that this point four deviation is not IQ, but the IQ drop that comes out of that is seven IQ points. And he went, oh yeah, you're right, yeah, you're right. And I said, so you're going to correct that in the afternoon, right? And he says, yes, I'll try to do that. And that's what we left it out. We just trusted that he'd do that because, you know, he made an honest mistake and I don't think it was honest.

But anyway, he's going to try to correct that. So we give our presentation for two hours. He gives his presentation for two hours. Nothing about his major mistake in the morning, which would have won the day for us. I mean, that's major. Seven IQ points is huge. Economically, academically, whichever way you want to look at it, that's huge. And also now we're finding tripling of ADHD.

which we didn't know back then. But anyway, so we lost. We lost resoundly. The vote was something like 8 to 4, 7 to 4, something like that. We lost. And Florida is still in Red Deer's Water. And so I've been called out by the CPSA, the Physicians Association of Alberta that monitors us.

So the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta. And so I've been taken to tribunal with them for six years. Now it would be six years in January. They've been trying to take my license away for my advocacy, my leadership, and anti-fluidation, and water safety. And so part of the things I've been called out is maybe being a bit of a loose cannon and maybe not being as tactful as they could be. And so I had actually called that medical officer of health a liar.

And I probably could have framed that a little better. I could have stated the facts like I just did to you and been a little more. Tackful. Thank you. Tackful. Tackful would be the word. But anyway, it wasn't. And so that's one of the many pages of charges they brought up in me.

So we're in the process of sort of that out now. We have major five-day tribunal and the court set up for the last week of January. I'm heading to Mexico in eight days, and so I'm going to have to fly back from Mexico to meet with my lawyers at Bennett Jones, downtown here, and prepare for that court case, and then have the five days in court the end of January. So we're in the process now, the process now, maybe trying to renegotiate that with all the big wins we've had here lately. So we'll see where that plays out. Been fairly stressful the last six years, I must say. And another thing that it didn't mention that we got for ammunition this year is the NTP.

Have you heard of the National Toxicology Program report out of the U.S.? Yes. So most of your people would know because that's a big one. The NTP is kind of a conglomeration of the alphabet organizations in the states like the CDC and the EPA and the FDA. But it's mainly housed in HHS, Human and Health Services. And so they were tasked with a whole. group of doctors and scientists and researchers to look at the whole fluoridation issue in 2016. It took them four years. They poured through thousands of studies. They went through all the animal

studies as well as the human studies throughout all the bad ones, but they went through thousands of studies literally. They came out with a draft report in 2020. And that's when our first major court sitting was in the seven-year court case I was talking about in federal court in the U.S. as well. And but it was only a draft report and no one had seen it. because the because HHS and NASA, one of their sub-bodies, which was staffed with pro-fluidationists, forced the NTP to go back and redo the report. He said, oh, this is too strong.

They did give the highest level of brain toxification to fluoridation in that report that they could. And so they made him go back and redo it. And then a year later, NASA made him go back and redo it again. That's unprecedented. To have a major organization that spent four years, credible organization having to go back and redo the report and it was always pressure to quash it to slow it down to water it down so to speak pardon the pun and to make this

report less forceful and so finally in 2022 the judge had been waiting for that ntp full report like for the report to be released to the public and it wasn't so we forced them to go to court and we actually got the report released to the judge and to both sides the plaintiffs and to the EPA and so we had the draft report, but it still wasn't released to the public. So it wasn't until 2023 that the judge actually had another sitting, two weeks of court, and that report came out and many other reports and lots of FOIA Freedom of Information Act entities that came out that showed incredible collusion and real nasty things happening behind the scenes with the EPA, the CDC, the FDA, and the states and the HHS.

And they were quashing that report. they were keeping it down. So it wasn't until August of this year that we finally got it released to the public. The judge had it, but he wanted the final port report, the cleaned-up final report released to the public. And that was done in late August of this year. So just a couple, three months ago. So the judge finally had that, and then that enabled him to finish writing his judgment, which came out, as I mentioned, on September 24th, a month later. So yeah, we have all those big things. We have other studies that are shown exactly the same thing with lack of efficacy like the Cochrane collaboration report like the Lotus study there's three or four

other studies that show the same there's just a plethora of wins that we've had this year that really stack the science in our favor against what the other side what's the what the pro fluoridations have do does it come back just to money then like when when you look when you look at it it's just big industry you mentioned earlier that military medical and industrial all teamed back up way back when. And you think of those three in particular and I hear money, money, big money. And so you go, this is big money to them. So they don't want to lose their, I don't know, cash cow almost, right? Like they're getting paid for waste. You know, they're going to go from making a ton of money to now having to dispose of it, which is going to cost them big money.

Exactly. And like you know, Sean runs the world. I mean, money power. So if you just peel one more layer back from that. Yes, the fertilizer industry in Florida, they can't produce enough fluoride, Florida age 71% of the United States and some of Canada too, so they get it from China. But they make about a quarter billion dollars a year, give or take, on that fluoride product. Instead of paying for it to be disposed, getting money by selling it to us, that's about a quarter billion dollars a year worth to them. Well, that's not very, it sounds like a lot, but it's not that much in the whole realm of things. But you peel that layer back further. and that is that goes to Pfizer Johnson & Johnson Colgate those sort of

organizations that make fluoride products and so what do you mean by that Colgate makes I think makes sense me why would Pfizer be making all the bigs make fluoride products it's a real lucrative industry they make the gels the foams the rinses the sealants all those things that the dentists use and that some people use some of it's off the shelf a lot of it's still prescription but the dentists use that. Like a dentist can make a six-figure salary by fluoridating your my teeth and they don't even have to see you. Just the hygienistice it and off you go. So that those products are worth about 20 some billion dollars a year. Let's say 25 billion for a rough number.

And so that's the main concern of those bigs, a big pharma, the big industry, that they would lose, they wouldn't directly lose that. If water fluoridation goes down, what happens to their sale of products that emblazoned fluoride all over them like toothpaste and gels and foams. People go, oh, well, if it's toxic in our water, isn't it toxic to put in my mouth? So the cells of that would drop markedly. I don't know if it would disappear. I don't think so, but the cells would drop maybe, I don't know, half. So it would be a huge hit to those big pharmaceutical industries.

So that's your follow the money trail. In toothpaste, what does fluoride do? I'm not a dentist, but what it does is kind of replaces the calcium hydroxide with floral appetite. And it strengthens the tooth. It makes it stronger. Now, if you look at that or if you just listen to that, it sounds okay. And it also decreases some of the bacteria in the mouth that cause cavities. But it's a fairly infrequent thing. Water fluoridation has very low concentration, and so it just switches through your mouth, and most people don't drink much water during the day.

So that has very little effect on the topical part of the tooth. But the activity is mostly topical, so it makes the tooth stronger. Now, do you necessarily want your pipe stronger, or do you want it a bit more pliable? Do you want to hit that sweet spot where it's not too soft, not too strong, and bends and flexes and doesn't break easily? You make things too strong, they're more brittle, and they're easier to break. Does that make sense? Okay. So that's what happens to teeth, too.

If you put too much fluoride on, it makes them, you get fluorosis, those first signs of white streaks and then yellow and then brown modeling that I spoke about earlier. And we should touch on that one a bit more too. But you get too much fluoride in the system. It hardens the teeth. And pretty after a long time of chewing and biting and doing things with your teeth, maybe you shouldn't, your teeth will break. And if you look at, here's a fact that it should just wipe fluoride right off the map. Kentucky and Louisiana, the two most fluoridated states in the U.S., 98-99 percent fluoridated.

They have the highest edentulous rate, which means loss of teeth. So the highest fluoridated states have the highest loss of teeth. They get brittle, they break, they have to have them pulled, they get their implants and their dentures and such. The lowest fluoridated state in the U.S., Hawaii has, guess what? The lowest edinthalus rate, the lowest loss of teeth. Shouldn't that right there, Sadia that Florida is not working for our adults and seniors? It should, but then I've been through the last several years, and I mean, like, the most obvious answer doesn't seem to be the one that gets followed. So, like...

Would that mean the lack of common sense? Common sense is not that common? Correct. Yeah. Well, and I mean, just, you know, you're talking about big money. And so like, you know, somehow I'm sitting here just thinking about myself. I'm criticizing nobody else folks but myself, right? Because I've never really, I remember getting asked about this question like two years ago, maybe less. And I was like, oh my God, I don't have enough bandwidth to deal with it. You know, everything is everything. You know, like, you know, who do you trust anymore? Who do you listen to? Well, I mean, right. It's like absolutely everything's trying to kill us by the sounds of it, right? Or we're trying to. to dumb us down or trying to this and that. And when you get talking to people, you're like, does nobody do their job? Does nobody like to stare at it and go like, okay, so we're doing this here and that's what's happening.

We're not doing it over there and that's what's happening. Why wouldn't common sense went up? And the obvious answer is, well, big money, industrialization, ever, all these different tiers are making sure it doesn't. And we've been ingrained in the system for so long. And so to the credit of doctors, ditched check off safe. effective. By the way, those are the ones that are paying my huge legal bills that Bennett Jones downtown because it's the Canadian Medical Protective Association

paying for my case there for the last six years. So that's been nice to not have to forge out all the checks for that. Yeah, so it's just ingrained in our system, safe and effective. If you repeat it often enough, long enough, people believe it. And if the bigs if the controllers of our medical systems, the Health Canada, Pfac, the Alberta Medical Association, the College of Citizens and Surgeons, Calgary Health Region, if they were repeat safe and effective often enough, doctors like me in 1998 voted for it and believe it. But if you look at the information, you're not going to believe it. Unless you just look at the proflournation information, which is not a good way to study science. You have to look at both

sides. And if you look at both sides, we've got a lot more science than they do. curious like okay so you you know you're talking drinking water coming from the tap like when it comes to bottled water anything like that like is does this issue follow suit or not it's only in tap water yeah a bit of both um so bottled water is usually unless it's in the states they have they've added florae to some of the bottled water in the states but bottle water is taken out of our reservoirs and our wells for pennies by the nests lays and the bigs. And then they reverse osmosis, clean it, usually remineralize it a bit, and then sell it for hundreds of times what they pay for it. I mean, it's a big scam.

I can remember driving through Utah with a friend a couple of years ago, and we stopped to get gas, and he was pumping in the gas at a fairly cheap price at that time. And I went into, buy a bottle of water, and then I came out and looked at it. There was one liter of water there, and I figured out it was about twice the price of gasoline. The bottle of water was higher price than gasoline. Well, that's a great scam. I mean, that's been huge for the, like Coca-Cola and Pepsi and Nestle's and those folks that make the bottle of water.

They made a huge amount of money on that. So most bottled water in Canada does not have fluoride. But all the processed foods and packaged foods and things that are shaved off chicken bones and teas concentrate fluoride. There's so many things out there that have fluoride in them. They spray a lot of the vegetables to keep them from ripening as they transport them with sulfonal fluoride. It just goes on and on.

Like, fluoride is ubiquitous. So it's in a lot of things already in our society. And then if we put hydrofluoroslistic acid on top of that, it really waxed the system. It really puts you over the top. So hydrofluoroselic acid or fluoride in our city waters or our town waters is the biggest contributor to our fluoride load. But all these other things help along. They take us over the top. So we don't need fluoride now.

We've got it in the toothpaste. It's topical. It does not one single thing for body function. Fluoride is not necessary. I'm trying to talk Elon into taking it all the Mars now. If we took all the fluoride to Mars, we'd have a much healthier planet and population. We do not need fluoride. It's not a vitamin.

It's not a mineral. It's not, it's a medicine. And the pro-fluidation is often that don't admit. it's in medicine. You know, I guess the first thing I would tell people to do is go to fluoridefree canada.ca.a. That seems to be a wealth of information. But like, assuming, you know, they go to anyone on, listen to this goes takes a looks

and realizes, holy crap, my community has it, didn't realize that. Or my community's on the chopping block or maybe up next to get it. Like regina. What would you say to people? Like, what can they do, you know, on and on? because if people are concerned about, I know people are concerned about this, this is why it keeps getting sent to me,

what would you tell people? Like, where can they go? What can they do? What avenues? I mean, you talk about all the big wins, Bob, but like, what would you, where would you go? What would you tell? Yeah, that's the challenge, isn't it, Sean?

Where does the rubber hit the road? So I've used Regina as an example. I presented in front of Regina Council about three years ago, I'm thinking, on this issue, because they were thinking, going to re-fluidating and they were going to have to rebuild their infrastructure. And we were kind of holding our own there, but one of the old counselors, he was just

pound and beaten the drum on water fluoridation. And he had all the talking points from the American fluoridation society and all the pro-flouridationists. And he was really hard to deal with. And he finally trapped me on, when I said the point about the bigs that were profiting from this. I went Pfizer Johnson, Johnson, and he goes, Pfizer. Pfizer's the one that saved my life. They gave me three vaccinations. They saved my life from COVID. If you're putting down Pfizer, that's the end of the story right there. And we lost that.

We lost that vote in Regina. So they've gone ahead and have voted to restart fluoridation, but they've delayed it because of infrastructure and some other problems till 20, now I think it's 2027. And so they just had an election there two or three days ago in Regina. Yeah. election and I worked quite closely with the three groups there and I think that they did quite a good job there. It looks like they got five counselors out of the 10 who are open-minded and willing to look at or re-look at water fluoridation. And so they're in a better position to stop it than we are here in Calgary.

We lost the vote in 2021, the plebiscite and Calgary Council restarted it in 2022 with $10 million. of our taxpayers' money to Waterworks. Waterworks said they'd have it done in 2023. They came back in 2023 last summer and said, oh, you know, supply chain and infrastructure and all this and all these problems. We need an extra $18 million. So that didn't even go to City Council for the $18 million. They just signed it to them out of the slush fund, out of the rainy day fund. Didn't even vote on it. Give Waterworks an extra $18 million and said, oh, thank you. We'll have this done by 2024. And then, of course, earlier this year they went, oh, you know, supply chain infrastructure, blah, blah, we're not going to have this

done until Q1, so the first quarter of 2025. So that's what we stand in Calgary. So we're only like two or three months away from restarting water floor nation that we ended in 2011 without a vote of the public, without a plebiscite. Regina has that extra two or three years to work with, and they could definitely put the brakes on it with the new information that's coming up. What are they're talking, I'm just curious. What are their talking points that they get, like, that sells this as being a great idea? Sean, it's helping the poor kids, don't you know? We're saving the poor kids with this quarter of a cavity a lifetime.

Jeez. That's the talking point. That's it. That's it. They've now tried to extrapolate that, particularly some of the people that are more politicians and don't know the science. They're trying to say, well, it's good for adults. good for seniors too. Well from what I just told you, did it sound like it was good for seniors?

It does nothing for adults or seniors. It's not needed as I said for a single body function. So you might as well, but if I mean if I follow money, you know, when when we talk about, you know, getting internet out to rural communities, right? Billions of dollars to get it there. Or you could go smarter and get Starlink now. I mean, if you're just doing dollars and cents, you go, why wouldn't you just do Starlink? Makes sense. I'm sure there can be issues down that road too, but you just look at dollars and cents.

And to help the poor kids, I don't know, just give them some toothpaste. Wouldn't that be smart? Wouldn't that be cost of medicine? Education, dental care. The very poor in Alberta do have covered dental care, but a lot of them don't know how to access it neither. And the main thing, Sean, is you can't out-prescribe diet.

Let me read you the quote from this, beautiful poster we sent out, this mailout we sent out to 410,000 Calgary homes before the plebiscite in 2021. So there's me on the end there. I get some backwards here. It comes up backwards on my screen. There's me on this end. Yeah. And there we go.

And there is Jennifer Fountain. That's Rhett's lovely wife who lives now in your neck of the woods. And this is Richard Donaldson, a economist and financial planner from California. Calgary that put the case out for it being totally uneconomical to mass Medicaid via the water. And Jennifer Alexander, who unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago and was very mentally distressed by pro-fluidation and pro-COVID vaccines. And this is Dr. Craig Young at the end. He is the most knowledgeable person on most knowledgeable dentist on water fluoridation in Canada.

Now that Dr. Hardy-Ly-Lymbach is retired as the head of prevented dentistry at the University of Toronto and was totally pro-fluor, anti-fluid. So Craig, the day after we delivered this flyer with science on the back and lots of organizations that support it to 410,000 Calgary homes the day after Dr. Craig Young, the dentist, was taken out. The Alberta College of Dentistry phoned him and said, you will dissociate from Safewater Calgary right now or you lose your license and you lose your livelihood as a dentist. So if you look on our website on Safewater Calgary, Safewater Calgary.com is my website.

Floridaation Free Canada is our national website that I chair. But if you look at our website, we have this brochure and there's a blank white space where Craig is. There's no dentist there. There's just a blank white space there because we had to take Craig off our SafeWorder Calgary.com website. So that's how they play. That's how they roll.

Completely nasty. No, you shall never speak your mind. You shall never have free speech. You shall never have the ability to educate the public. You know, the thing that's going to win me over to your side faster than anything is when they come down on people that quick. I mean, it's like, oh, you got plenty of the hide, right? Exactly. I mean.

And that's the same with the College of Physicians and Surgeons for the last six years. I mean, that case has been going bouncing back through the courts and through the tribunals at the college and they could have ended it. They did end it in February of 2019. They charged me in January of 2019, ended it in February of 2019, saying that this case does not have merit, and so they dismissed it. And then it was appealed in March of 2019, and it's been raging ever since. So that's six years. It'd be six years in January. And yeah, they try to take people down rather than dispute the science. So where does that leave us?

I don't know. Honestly, I'm like, I probably have some listeners that like, it's taken Sean a long time to get to fluoridation. And it probably has. At times, I'm like, I don't know if I can handle much more of this, right? It's just another thing where you're like,

why can't we just have a little bit of common sense? It just shocks me, actually, you know? Because in one instance, you're saying fluoride isn't all bad. But the way it's being put through certainly is. Topically, fluoride's okay. Yeah, you're talking toothpaste, correct? Yeah.

When you say topically? Or gels and foams and wrenses. Sure, sure, sure, yes, yes. We can debate those, but those are choice. Those are freedoms, Sean. Putting fluoride in the water as a medicine is not a freedom. It's taken away the rights, and particularly the rights of the poorest and the most disadvantaged, because it's those people that can't afford to buy bottled water or to buy a,

$10,000 reverse osmosis whole house system or to buy a $500 or $800 or $800 to sit on the counter and take the fluoride out for two or three months before you have to replace the fluoride filter. It's the poor and the disadvantage there are affected the most. It's babies, children, the disadvantage, the poor, and people of color that are affected the most by water fluoridation. And if you don't believe the people of color thing, just go to Lulac. Lulac is the League of United Latin American Citizens. in the United States, huge organization.

Go to their website and look at what they have to say about water fluoridation. It affects people at color more and they want to get rid of it. When you say people of color more, wouldn't that be affecting the, well, the poor, right? Like, aren't they?

Aren't they, aren't they? I mean, like, they're higher probability to be in that group of people. The poor, yeah. They're the most disadvantaged, usually. I mean, that's, that's changing. changing over time. But certainly when you say the poor, the downtrodden, they fall into that category a lot. I mean, there's every ethnicity in that category.

But when you're pointing to the United States of America that had slavery and everything else, that's why it comes up. Correct? I don't know. Maybe I'm right. No, that's exactly right. So we're purporting. What is that?

Sorry. In Canada, what it, I'm curious. First Nations, like, is, do they just, you know, like, are they like government get out of here? Or are they fluorinated as well? Most of them are not fluoridated, but most of them don't have safe drinking waters. They don't drink the water. And that is a crime against humanity. It's a crime against our native brethren.

They should be the first ones to be put on the list. Instead of putting fluorid in the water and spend millions and millions of dollars a year to do that. Put safe water. Get safe water. for our indigenous folks. I mean, that's the least we could do to them or for them. I mean, everybody, having safe water is an international right. And most of our indigenous people do not have safe water.

That's a crime. Don't put fluoride in it, it's just another toxin. Oh, and one point I'll bring up that I was going to segue to earlier, is that putting fluoride in is, I mean, is it just so wasteful. and so harmful so like why would you ever bother doing it to the poorest i mean it just doesn't work for them so why not do programs spend that money for things like child smile that's the scottish child smile program which they piloted in 2001 and then ran out around most of their country because they started with three-year-old kids in scotland and said we're going to teach you about

teeth and about gums and about mouth and mouth health and then they would take that back home and take it to their parents and their parents would start feeding them better food and they get more nutrients some more vitamins and take care of their teeth better, brush their teeth more, and drink more water. And they didn't fluoridate in Scotland, and that child smell program was just hugely successful. Well, I find this interesting. So unflorinated, unfluorid, I can't even say the word, unfluidated countries, there we go. So here's the countries that don't have any fluoride in their water. Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, Japan, Italy, Iceland.

Here's the country, and now I assume there's more. I'm assuming that's not the only ones. Here's the big ones that do. Australia at 80%, Canada at 38%, New Zealand at 61%, United States at 64%, and England at 11%. Now Ireland's 100%, and it says Spain at 11%. Here's what sticks out to me about those stats

on the countries that are fluoridating. That's the five-eyas countries. And you start digging into those, like I don't like doing the Tim Hale hat thing, but it just keeps presenting it still. Australia, 80%. United States, 64%. What is it doing? It's hurting your population. Why are you, why are no other countries doing that?

That doesn't make sense. Well, just to crunch those numbers down a little easier for the folks, it's 95% of the world is not floridated. So we in Calgary have been accused of being the, the, what do you call it, the laggards, I guess. the people that aren't in the know. We're not coming up at modern times. Well, 95% of the is not fluoridated. As I mentioned, over 99% of Quebec, 98% of BC, 97% of Europe,

which is what you were, the numbers, the countries you were talking about there. That's 97% of Europe is not fluoridated. Not folks. And their teeth are not falling out in the streets. Yeah, we can all make fun of the English's teeth all we want. That's probably the only one. They're trying to push fluoridation across all of England right now, but these studies are going to show up, especially the Lotus study I mentioned earlier out of England earlier this year.

6.4 million people, no effect for fluoridation. So let's go somewhere else, folks. Let's do something that actually works. And if you look at the floridated countries, two-thirds of the United States are fluoridated, and that's more than all the other 24 countries that are fluoridated in the world combined. So it's United States. So if RFK takes down in the United States, it's going to have a big ripple effect through the rest of the world. Yeah, 100%.

If you don't mind, can we go back? Okay, I want to go back to Edward Bernays. You mentioned he wrote a book on propaganda. Cigarette companies first hired them. Who, and then you mentioned he went to fluoride. Who was it? Like who? I don't know if there's a who.

I don't know if you know the names or if it was industry or what. Who were the people that hired him? Was that the, the aluminum factories that said, we need you to change the thought process on this? Or was it something different than that? Was it the dentist? We, like, who is selling, who is hiring him to sell this idea?

It was a conglomeration, as I mentioned before. Dr. Hodge was one of the main ones, and Dr. Dean, Trimley Dean. And you can see some old on our websites, like on Safewater, Calgary and Florida Free Canada and Florida Action Network. You can find some old videos of these people. people and and of some of the people that fought against them too, but many of the people that

promoted it. And there'd be these two second grainy videos of them on the chalkboard, you know, fluoride and you know 10% 25% less cavities and I've seen that. I had a I had a DVD of it given to me. I was watching it before this interview. I was like, this is fascinating, right? Like I would have written so much stuff five years ago. Now I'm like, oh man, this starting to make a little bit more sense. So apologies. Dr. Hodge, Dr. Dean, carry on. Yeah. So it was just that conglomeration of industry and military and then convincing doctors and dentists in the medical field. And they just ran with it. And anybody like Dr. Hill, for instance, Doug Hill was a dock in Calgary in the late 1950s, early 60s. And he fought vociferously against water fluoration because

there's already lots of information coming out on increased cancers, on fluorosis, on other damages to the thyroid. And so he fought really long and hard. And they just took him down. Like eventually he just retired in the early 60s and went, you know, I've had it. They've whacked me too much. But he was quite successful in the years that he was running and putting out his good information against water fluoridation.

So it's been going on for a lot of years. Like I mentioned, there was four plebocytes in the 60s and 70s in Calgary, actually went $100 off a dentist. And he said, no, Calgary's been fluoridated in the 60s and 70s. I went, no, it started in 1991. And he said, well, my father was a dentist back in that time. And he told me we had water fluoridation. And so I bet him $100 and we both delve through the information.

And I proved to him. Where did you find it, Dr. Bob? Where did you go to find out when your city started getting fluoridation? That's going through the various archives. and that one was primary to the City of Calgary Archives, because they document the four plebiscites that we want, well, I shouldn't say we won, I wasn't around them, but the anti-floredationist won in the 60s and 70s,

and then the first one that the pro-floredationist won by like 52 to 48% in 1989 to create the first water fluoridation in Calgary, 1991. And then that next one that I outlined to you that they had the expert panel in 1998, so that makes what, six, so it's four to two for the anti-fluidation, anti-floredationists because they won the 1998 one, and then they won the 2021 Plobyset as well. So it's four to three. We're still winning, but the three recent ones.

How many people vote in that? Well, okay, good question. Yeah, I like that. Because, okay, so people that generally vote for something like that are the more educated, people that have been maybe propagandized by Alberta Health Services, by medical associations, by dental associations, by their own dentists, whatever. It was a three-page vote that we had in Calgary, and the water fluoration question was buried right at the bottom of the first page.

So a lot of people missed it to start with, because it was just all this blah, blah, blah, blah, vote, vote, vote. And then there's this little water fluoridation thing, and then you'd flip over to the next page to the mayor and the counselors and whatever. And so a lot of people missed it, unfortunately. So 62, we lost big. I thought it was going to be close, but we lost 62 to 38%. Now, if you crunch the numbers down, oh, and by the way, that 62 or whatever percent has been used by all of the counselors since then to say, well, I'm actually against water fluoridation, but my constituents voted for it, 62 to 38 percent, so I'm voting for it.

But if you crunch the numbers down, and again, this is democracy. You know, we have a problem, I think, with democracy here. But in a democratic society, if 62 percent of the voters that voted for it vote for fluoridation, that equates, to about 14% of all Calgarians. So 14% of all Cargarians are saying the other 86% will be fluoridated with something that comes out of the waste acts of a chemistry or fertilizer industry and is not purified

and it causes incredible harms, which we're realizing more and more and more over time. So that 14% is toxifying the other 86%. And you should not be voting. voting that's why we were against plebiscites you should not be voting for I shouldn't be voting for whether you should be medicated Sean and you shouldn't be voted in voting for whether I should be medicated or your neighbors or your friends or the rest of your town or the rest of the country or city or whatever

just not and not to mention they would have nothing but access to probably funding not to mention media not to mention on and on and on and you pointed out early on this that Nobody's really giving you the time a day to come and share your thoughts. I'm sure there has been some lovely people before me. I don't mean to say that I'm something special. I'm not. Just that, you know, in our world, if you speak certain things,

certain mainstream outlets aren't going to touch you with a 10-foot pole, maybe even then some. So you've got the deck stacked against you is what you have. Totally, totally. It's more than David versus Goliath, and they're definitely the Goliath. But the thing is, we've whacked Goliath with pretty big stone right in the middle of the head here this last year. And so Goliath is staggering around quite a bit right now and just might go. Well, any final thoughts before I let you out of here?

I've appreciated you hopping on, and I appreciate Rhett hooking us up to do this. But before I let you out of here, I don't want to skip over anything if you, want to make sure a different piece of information gets passed along to the audience. Well, kudos first to Rhett and Jen. I just really like those folks. They're great people. Very bright. I think you should twist Rett's arm and get them into politics.

Yeah, the ethics. So I'm being pursued mainly by the head aesthetics person, ethics person. Not ascetics. That's a different thing. Ethics person at the University of Calgary. I mean, it could be both, I guess. Anyway, the head ethics person at the University of Calgary Medical School. And it's so unethical to mass Medicaid, especially when you're not controlling dose and dosage,

as we talked about before. And then you're not monitoring, you're not getting informed consent, and you're not following up. So highly unethical. So that should be another thing that stops it. It doesn't make good economic sense. You know, there's just so many things. But the main main thing is that we're toxifying the brains of our fetus. is babies, toddlers, children, kids.

And that is just so wrong. It's now proven anywhere between one is the very lowest that I've seen and up to 15 points if you're in a floridated community or the pregnant woman is drinking fluoridated water, you can lose up to 15 IQ points. Well, that's huge. Lead was taken out of our system by showing it was 1% effect on a total population level. 1%. And that's where the term, get the lead.

out is it comes from get the lead out well it took us seven decades to do that you know it's so sad so if you take if you take sorry if you take the fluoride out poof it's gone tomorrow that's the will you see noticeable i mean i don't know not notice i don't i call it noticeable effects but like the body's a pretty incredible thing yeah if you remove the toxic what happens anything the next thing i was segue into and shan exactly you read my mind um so as I mentioned to the National Citizen Inquiry that I testified in front of a month ago, the question was, are children safe in Canada? Well, children aren't safe if 38 or 40% of our citizens are being fluoridated.

Our kids are being floated. Our pregnant women are being floated. They're not safe. And, you know, it's going to take decades to get the glyphosate out of our systems and out of our lands. But to get fluoride out, you can either say no if you don't have it, or if you do have it like in your town, You go to your city counselors. You develop groups that talk to me and to Florida Action Network in New York and will help you get it out.

And you have the counselors say, this is not a good thing. Look at all this science. Let's turn it off the taps. So they go and turn off the taps. And in a day or two, it's out of the system. No one's drinking it anymore. And then your body can take care of the slow detoxification. Or you can go to a naturopath and get some toxification supplements and whatever.

do IV detoxification whatever you want to do. But in a day or two, it's out of the system. It doesn't leach the lead out of your pipes anymore. It doesn't leach the lead out of sodders. It doesn't rust and make your pipes more caustic. It's gone. It's gone out of your water system. It's gone out of your human system, except for what's already in there.

And again, we can slowly either detoxify that or just sequestered away in a safer place. When you talk about it being kelsified, I forget how you put it, around the penile gland, if you remove chloride from your body, right, and you slowly detoxify, will that naturally go away, or is that something that buildup, you have to do something about differently? Yeah, you probably have to use a little bit of rust removers as our analogy went. So, yeah, there's lots of information on the internet now. If you'll look for detoxification of the pineal, you can do it medically, you can do it at home,

You can do it kind of more mentally or spiritually. So there's several ways to detoxify it slowly. But the thing is you're not keeping toxifying it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Continuing fluoridation. So my message would be, for the kids at least, let's get rid of it. For the women that it detoxifies their thirides, get rid of it. For the people that makes your bones thicker, get rid of it.

You know, it doesn't do anything. It doesn't do any good. It's not needed. And let's put it where it belongs in the Museum of Failed Medical Practices. Well, it's fun. You know, I appreciate you hopping on. Somewhere my father is driving around, and he's been laughing this entire time because he's going, Dr. Bob, every time I say it, all he's thinking of is the Muppets. And I should have brought it up right at the start, but I'm like, here we are at the end.

If you don't get that reference, obviously you didn't tune into the Muppets for forever. I can explain that quickly for you, Sean. That's how we went into medicine at a later age. As I mentioned, they didn't go until I was 33. I used to love the Muppet Show as one of my favorite because their humor was so good. And there was Dr. Bob, who was Ralph, the dog that played the piano, but he also stood in as Dr. Bob, the and Veterans Hospital. And he had to do pokey things like he talked to Nurse Jane there when they had a patient on the table.

And he'd say, Nurse Jane, why is this patient here? And Nurse Jane would say, well, I think the patient's homesick. And Dr. Bob would say, you can't be homesick, he's hearsick. And so I went, well, if Dr. Bob can be a doctor, so can I. So there it is. That's the reason why I went into medicine. Well, shout out to my sister-in-law, Becky. She's a vet here in town, and my dad's called her Dr. Bob since she became part of her family.

And so anyways, I just chuckle about the whole Dr. Bob thing. Somewhere dad is driving, and he's having a good chuckle today. Dr. Bob, thanks for, thanks for hopping on the podcast. Thank you, Sean. There's a wonderful interview. You're very good at what you do. Thank you, sir.