Shaun Newman Podcast - #759 - Rebekah Koffler

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

Rebekah is a Russian-born U.S. intelligence expert who served as a Russian Doctrine & Strategy specialist in the Defense Intelligence Agency. Working with the DIA and the CIA's National Clandestine Service, she has led "red" teams during war games and advised senior Pentagon officials. She has delivered classified briefings to top U.S. military commanders, NATO ministers, the directors of the CIA and DIA, the White House National Security Council, and senior congressional staff. She has a new book, Putin’s Playbook: Russia’s Secret Plan to Defeat America. Cornerstone Forum ‘25 https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/ Clothing Link: ⁠⁠⁠https://snp-8.creator-spring.com/listing/the-mashup-collection⁠⁠ Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Silver Gold Bull Links: Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone]

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All right. Let's get on to that tale of the tape. She's a Russian-born U.S. intelligence expert who served as a Russian doctrine and strategy specialist in the Defense Intelligence Agency. Now she's written a book, Putin's playbook, Russia's secret plan to defeat America. I'm talking about Rebecca Coughler. So buckle up.

Here we go. All right, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Rebecca Coughler. So, ma'am, thanks for hopping on. Oh, it's my pleasure, Sean. Now, you know, I'm just going to start. I just want to start back at the beginning, I guess. Who is Rebecca?

And tell us a little bit about your story until we get to your book and everything else going on in today's crazy. world. Sure. I'm a former DIA intelligence officer. DIA stands for defense intelligence agency, and it's a military counterpart to CIA, meaning that we actually do the real work. What DIA does is we support with our intelligence analysis, the warfighter and the commander in chief when it comes to making war and peace decisions. If United States goes to war, we're supposed to have war plans on the books, hopefully before the war. Unfortunately, in the past few years, intelligence got so politicized and the Pentagon got so out of control, wanting to get into all these wars without actually understanding the adversary. But long story short, I also was born and raised in Soviet Russia.

raised me with the idea to eventually go to America, the country of freedom and justice and opportunity. And fate would have it that in 1989, I did come to America and made it my adopted homeland. And I wanted to serve after September 11th terrorist attacks. I joined the intelligence community. Unfortunately, I had a big run in with the the proverbial deep state in the US government. And I had to leave. And then I wrote a book, Putin's playbook, where I predicted Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Actually predicted it back in the intelligence community. But the analysis got so politicized during the Obama administration and during Biden administration. So long story short, I'm now independent, I am a freelance writer, consultant, author. My second book is coming out soon. And I do things like this to inform people about the truth because legacy media is no longer.

They basically have become like Soviet Pravda. So in its podcasts like yours, Sean, that deliver the truth to the people. So the people can make their own informed decisions. instead of being spoon-fed with someone else's opinion. Well, we have the CBC up here in Canada, so we know all about being spoon-fed other people's opinions that are not our own.

When you go, I'm going to, you just said an awful lot. I'm going to try and slow us down just a smidge because I'm like, oh, I'm talking to a lady who grew up in Soviet Russia. I am just curious. You know, history major have read books on it, read Soldier Ninson, et cetera, et cetera. etc. There's no way you were around with soldierness and you are not that old. I am curious, you know, growing up in Soviet Russia, like, how long were you there?

And what do you, I don't know, what do you remember? What stories do you tell to us North Americans who have no clue what was going on at that point in time? I can tell you lots of stories. And actually, this is why all these stories are going into my second book that is called American-Balje. the persecution of Donald Trump and the Sovietization of America. So I grew up in Russia and I went to university, Moscow, National Pedagogical University where I learned English. But growing up in the Soviet system is very different than growing up in a free country.

Socialism is actually a poverty producing system. And if I can just tell you a couple of things, like you wanted stories. My teeth were drilled without novocaine, okay, when I was a child, or ever until I lived there. And if you want to talk about torture, that's torture. They had to strap us in, you know, your hands and your feet so you don't kick the dentist. Why is that? It's because when everything is free, sounds awesome, right? Everything is free. What could possibly go wrong?

But when everything is free, nothing is available because there's no incentive for people to produce anything or anything of quality. So whatever is produced, the people who are in control of that particular thing, whether it's a doctor who has novocaine, whether it's, you know, a shock. who has bread and milk and meat or whatever, anything gets funneled first and foremost to the friends and the family. And then the rest of the people are just making do. And to my horror, after 35 years here in America, my adopted homeland has started to look more and more and more like the Soviet Union. in the country that I was born and raised in.

And I felt like the censorship. And there are other stories. You know, Novocaine is just one thing. I mean, we couldn't speak the truth, you know, very, you know, you're always afraid that the KGB is going to like, not like what you say. Everything was your mail. Everything is listened to.

But again, that's what we're having here, right? the Trump campaign. Sounds an awful lot like Canada. That's what it sounds like. Yeah, that's what it sounds to me too. I'm watching a little bit what's going on with you guys. And it's the same thing. And it's just that because people don't understand really.

And until you actually live under socialism, you have no idea what that means. Because it sounds so enticing. I mean free education, free. I don't know, everybody has free health care, free child care, free dental, free everything. Meanwhile, you pay for yeah, I mean that's that's Canada has a version of that right. We're we're not completely there but certainly we have a lot of free free stuff. Exactly, but they the the result is and I I love your Dr. Jordan Peterson but what happened to him is horrifying. All he did was just

said the plain truth that, you know, a man is a man and a woman is a woman and he's not going to like live another person's fantasy by using their pronouns that don't correspond to the gender and they went after him. Those are Soviet KGB tactics, right? So it's horrifying what's going on. Okay. You left Russia in 1989, correct? Correct. So like that's right at the end where everything falls apart, correct? It was kind of like the Soviet Union fell apart in 1991. So it was the beginning of the end, so to speak. Do you, I guess, forgive me, the Soviet Union went for roughly what, like 70-ish years, maybe 60, 70 years?

No, 70 years. 70 years. It was established. The Bolshevik Revolution was in 1917, and it collapsed in 1991. So if my math serves me right. I know. We were trained. Sean, the one thing that was excellent about the Soviet education system, they taught you math.

Okay. So 90 minus 17. would be 73 and then you plus 1, 74. We were taught to do incredible things in our brain. And I'm horrified now that my own children can't like, because they created this other myth here about this education system. Not only they started brainwashing you like they did in the Soviet Union, but they somehow propagated this myth that math is very difficult

and especially girls are not good at math. And I'm like, oh, my God, that's horrible. And once you tell people that math is hard, they're not even going to try. And you go to the store now. And if you give somebody cash, a young person actually doesn't know what to do because they can't even, like, do math in their brain. So anyway, I digress.

Let's go back to my... I'm laughing at myself. Normally, I'm pretty good at mental math, but the audience is getting me on an early morning, I guess. I'm like, I can't, for some reason, I can't put it together. regardless all i meant with the whole purpose was 70 plus years of soviet rule you left two years before it ended that to me is very interesting so why 89 and not 85 or or not 91 or 93 what like was there signs everywhere that things were not going to be good or were you like it was just the

time and and we finally got out that that's that's when an opportunity presented myself like Like I said, my mother always raised me with the idea. I don't, I have no idea how she came up with it, right? That I need to go to America. I was supposed to learn English, like, since I was a child. She hired tutors for me. The Russian education system starts you off in a foreign language in third grade. Then I went to a university to continue studying English and French as my second language.

Usually they give you two foreign languages. And in my fourth, I think, year of the university, I went on an exchange program to England. And I wanted to defect at that moment. But I was afraid that my family, that first I would never see my family again. And I had a sister, you know, also. and second that my family would be persecuted, my mom and dad and my sister. So I came back. But that gave me a taste of what capitalism actually is compared to Russia.

They had everything in England, like everything in terms of food and things look great. Like in contrast to what we were told, you know, by the Soviet authorities. Oh, capitalism is like, a deteriorating form of government, lay oppressed people, this and that. So I came back, finished my university, and then I was working, being a tour guide and an interpreter and translator for Americans, and that's when I'm American tourists. And that's when I met my first Americans, and there's something that they saw in me and said, Rebecca, what are you doing here?

You're a free spirit. You've got to come to America. And I said, well, that's impossible. Because everything was impossible. In Russia, the first thing that you hear when you want to do something, no, that's not possible. And for an American, like if you say it's impossible, it's like the other way around. It's like, oh, watch me.

I'm going to do that. And they said, really? Of course it's possible. And so they gave me an invitation. There was like a process. There was an invitation. But at that time, also Gorbachev came, was in power. And Gorbachev kind of loosened the border.

And I went through the process. They invited me. You know, I came here. And then eventually after I spent some time here, I went through an actual immigration, the legal. immigration process and I visited Russia I think once or a few a couple of times but then eventually I also brought my sister and my dad here my mom unfortunately died before I was able to get her out courtesy of the free wonderful socialist

health care system the Russian doctors basically would you say that The Russia today is similar to the Russia you left, or is it completely different? It's not completely different, but there are definitely similarities. What happened in 1991, overnight basically people who were communists, members of the Communist Party, and they had everything, those people, and the rest of us didn't have anything. They were treated in different hospitals with Novakain and painkillers. They shopped at different stores. You know, everything was different for them.

But those same people overnight, they were communist and then they became capitalists. How did that happen? It's because they were in a position to get those vouchers. There was a privatization process. Russia was becoming capital. It's like incredible. So Americans and the Westernists believe that somehow it's possible to democratize Russia and turn it into a capitalist country.

Well, it's the same, you know, gangsters who got hold of all the factories, the shops, all of the industries, right? Because they were controlling it in the first place as government officials. And all they did is they just privatized. And so the same people now, if you look at Putin in his circle, he surrounded himself with people whom he trusts, and those are former KGB operatives. But those are the same people, you know, when they leave government, they get hold of an industry like the gas prom, you know, the oil and gas, the military industrial complex. So that part is the same. What is different is that Putin allowed, or rather it began, I think, with Gorbachev.

He instituted something called Glassnist, which is sort of like a free speech, but it's not really free speech. And Perestroika, the reconstruction. So the Russian people think, basically they led the Russian people to believe. that they can say anything but it's not really like because the minute you you say something that goes way counter to the party line they they go after you so they create it's a more sophisticated oppression right now and then the other thing it's different that is positive actually is Russian people are able to travel and because they're closer, like they're part of Europe.

And the prices for them a lot cheaper, a lot cheaper. Like, just like for Europeans in general, right? The same stuff that cost us here, you know, from children's goods to like basically to travel. It's like cost us a norm in the leg. I actually don't know if it's the same thing for you guys in Canada. But because everything is they in Europe and the companies actually calibrate their pricing structure, They charge us and I'm in the leg so they can give, you know, cheaper stuff over in Europe and in Russia. So that part is better and people eat better.

There's more of a middle class right now. And Putin actually improved the standard of living tremendously, which is one thing that the Westerners don't understand. And that is why the Russians, the majority of the Russians love Putin. Believe it or not. So that part is different, but at the macro level, it's not really different. You mentioned you predicted the invasion of Ukraine while working for the department. Thank you. You're going to say the three-letter word and I can figure it out.

Three-letter acronym, I should say. What was it back then that was starting to add up where you're like, this is going to happen? So we were receiving a lot of intelligence, but also open source information that Russia was preparing for war. What we call open source is kind of like an unclassified intelligence stream. like, for example, Russian military journals, the Russian military doctrine, Russian national security strategy, foreign policy concepts, all of these, what the Russians call strategic planning documents, they have an unclassified portion that the Russians released to the rest of the world, and it has classified portion. And the interesting thing about Putin is that the man is very consistent. He usually does what he says he was going to do. And he started saying those things pretty much as soon as he became president in early 2000.

And by those things, I mean, he started saying, we need to read. we integrate the parts of the former Soviet Union as a strategic security perimeter. What is strategic security perimeter? It is just like the U.S., and I assume you guys have something called the Monroe Doctrine, which says that the U.S. is not going to allow a hostile power, a traditional adversary, to get as close, you know, within miles of, let's say, Mexico or Canada. So the Russians have a strategic security perimeter on which they relied for centuries on their security in countries like Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, and others are part of that.

And the military commanders dating back to Tsar's Times had the strategy, called that trading enemy's blood for distance, meaning that, and all wars, by the way, with the exception of one, the Mongol Tartay Oak that last for 100 years, beginning with 1238, all other wars came from the West, right? So the strategic security perimeter. Hold that thought. My apologies. I need to hold that thought for just one second. You said all wars except for one Magul War that lasted 100 years. All the wars started from the West coming to the East? For Russia.

For Russia. That's why the Russians are so distrustful of the West and especially of NATO. And NATO, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Baltic states, formerly Russian, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania were absorbed by NATO. And what that did is, and so it was like Poland and Eastern Germany, those were not part of the Soviet Union, but they were in their sphere of influence, right? The Eastern Blime. So what that did was Russia's strategic security perimeter reduced from 1,000 miles approximately to 100 miles. Okay. And that was an unacceptable level of proximity for any military commander.

Like if the Russians did that, you know. Yeah, if they did it to the United States. Hopefully we would fight tooth and nail as well, right? That's why Putin keeps talking about the like the nuclear weapons. Well, if that happened on our side, I would hope that we would also signal to the adversary that we will sure as hell use nuclear weapons if you keep getting closer. So, but he wasn't listened to, right? So we because there's a group of people who are in charge, you know, in the United States, you can call them the deep state, the neocons, whatever, they believe in that part I haven't figured out.

Maybe you can help me figure that out, whether they genuinely believe that they want to democratize these countries and they believe it's possible. because I know Ukraine is not a democracy and it probably will never become one, right? So I don't know whether they truly believe it or whether they just want to really use countries like Ukraine to enrich themselves, right? Because we provided $200 billion worth of military hardware to Ukraine only for the country to be decimated. it's ceasing to exist right now. So while our military-industrial complex is enriching itself, the Raytheons, the Northrop Grumman, Lockharton, their stock is up, right? So anyway, so that's how the collision happened in US.

And that's what I saw. Putin was preparing for war, not because he was going to invade the United States or Canada or any NATO or country. But because he foresaw that NATO and the U.S. are not going to stop. They're going to keep coming and keep coming getting close and closer into his backyard. And eventually he's going to have to act. And he kept saying, Ukraine is a red line. Ukraine is a red line. Ukraine is a red line.

We gave him this, right? Everybody said, you know, shut up. And then February 2020, boom. invaded. And now he's saying the same thing, by the way, you know, nuclear weapon, you know, stop arming Ukraine. Stop arming Ukraine. Stop arming Ukraine. What do we do? Biden authorized Zelensky to use U.S. attackers to strike. And everybody says, don't listen to Putin. This is nuclear saber rattling. And I'm saying, aren't you people? Like, don't you understand? Like, can you look back and see what happened every single thing he said? He actually did.

And that's what I saw back in the intelligence community. And I actually briefed Obama's White House National Security Council not just once, but multiple times at a highly, highly classified level, way above top secret. I briefed UCOM, which is the European Command, that is in charge of prosecuting wars in the European area of responsibility. I briefed Northcom and NORAD, and that is the combatant command that protect you guys, the Canadian, and us, the United States for missile strikes, including nuclear, from the adversaries and strategic command, and scores and scores. But nobody wanted, like Obama said, we're not going to go to war with Russia. Why are you telling us about war with Russia? And I said, well, you might not plan to, but they think there will be a war. Inevitably, you might want to listen.

But no, they didn't want to listen. And they gone. And eventually, I was booted out. Yeah, I was going to say, you're saying things. I'm like, okay, but wait, folks, you had a run in with the deep state. Correct. What is the run in with the deep state? What did you do?

Oh, well, well, what? that's what I did. I actually described everything in my book. I kept because, as I said, when I was growing up in Russia, my mom drilled into me that the United States is a country, you know, where you can speak truth to power. It's a country of justice and freedom. And so, and I assume as an intelligence officer, you do speak truth to power. But unfortunately, you know, at least in the U.S. government, it's a myth. There's no such thing as freedom of speech. If you say something that goes counter to the narrative that those people who are in charge

want to deliver, then you're dismissed in various horrible ways. And one of those things like, you know, during Afghanistan, we had people who were you know, speaking truth to power or during Syria, right? But Obama did not want to hear that the problems in Syria of Afghanistan. So certain people were dismissed. But my case is not the only case. I mean, remember what they did was General Flynn, who is my former boss. I was in his chain of command.

They went after him, you know, almost jailed him. He was bankrupted. There were plenty of people, you know. So eventually they staged like an operation against me to get the justification. It's a playbook, right? There's a playbook. They yank you security clearance to make you unemployable in your field. But the way they do it, they make a justification.

They accuse you of certain things. And because the national security law is structured in a way that you're guilty until you're proven innocent, they don't have to prove anything the government already. And I didn't understand that. I spent, you know, tens of thousands of dollars on attorneys thinking that this is BS, what they're trying to say. But no, it didn't work again because there's no, there's a dual justice system. And we just saw that with Hunter Biden, right?

So, but it's even worse for people who are working in the national security in the intelligence field. I'm starting as it like, you're not the first person I've had on now that is like, you know, you work for three letter agencies. I'm pretty skeptical. Three letter agencies. I'm like, this is. Yeah, like, I mean, we're sitting where we're sitting because of three-letter agencies, among other things, right? And then I listen to you and I'm like, and they found a way to get rid of you. So you go like, Obama's saying, we're not going to war with Russia, okay?

We're not going. What are you talking about? Yet they systematically removed you because you were warning about going to war with Russia, essentially. I mean, there's probably more to it, Rebecca, but that's the way it listens or I hear it. And I'm like, well, so then they're very. strategic in that let's remove all the people we're going to make any sense of this so that we can go to war with Russia like maybe i'm making it way too simple no no no you you're exactly you just nailed that shot here and there was actually in the run-up to um when president

or candidate trump was actually running his campaign so during that period the ia was purging Russia analysts, honest Russian analysts like myself. So two reasons why, like you made it simple, but I'm going to add detail and nuance it and explain for your listeners. Once you accept the analytic line, and like I said, I briefed scores and scores of very senior people, like four stars, heads of combatant commands, super, super, high classified level to the point where, let's say, NORAD, right, the North American Airspace Defense Command that I said protects you guys as well. It's co-located with Northcom. The Northcom commander is a four-star general. His deputy typically is a Canadian, and he would be like an equivalent of, let's say, a three-star. The three-star had no clearance to be on that briefing, okay? It was the

four star, the head of command, myself, and one of my senior people would call it top cover. Like, because the analyst actually knows the stuff, but because of the seniority in the military, it has to be everything like kind of, you understand, right? Yes. That's the level. So a lot of people knew, but once you accept something as a viable analytic line, if Obama said, okay, we got you, this is what's happening. Then they would have to act.

And acting would mean beefing up the force posture in Europe and forcing Europeans to pay for their own security. And they didn't want to do that or, you know, they didn't think that they could do that. So then instead of saying, no, we hear you, we don't, you know, but we don't want to do anything about it. they just dismissed the person to shut them up. And that's what was happening.

That's why they dismissed, like, General Flynn, like, for a little bit of a different, not the Russia reason, but General Flynn wanted to completely restructure the DIA because it was a mess. And so, but the other reason I believe they purged me and they purged some other people is because they were getting ready to set up Trump with the Russia colloquy. collusion hoax. And remember that whole thing that Russia and Trump and Putin and Trump and go toots and all this nonsense. And I knew it was it was complete nonsense. But right at that point before that became public, that whole collusion thing, I was supposed to go to the DNI, the

director of national intelligence office because they want to rotate at their senior level at some point they rotate us to like to work at different agencies and I was supposed to be number two for cyber in the entire intelligence community the detail that I want the poster that I want in a highly highly competitive process and then one day I was told no you're not going to you know going to do that you're not allowed I said why and they wouldn't tell me and then I challenged it and I challenged that I challenged that I'm I'm like again because that's how my parents raised me you speak truth to power you get to the bottom of things and they just wouldn't tell me why it's only later I understood that is because cyber is the area right where

all of those things, intelligence supposedly would have resided, right, that Obama said that the Trump and Russia were colluding, that the Russians hacked, the DNC, and the Irish, that would be the repository of that intelligence. But because I am, I read Russian native and speak and everything, that's my native language. English is my second language. I would have seen that intelligence or I wouldn't have seen it and I would have told me no there's no such thing this is bullshit people and they knew that the type of person because of who I am they couldn't have gotten away with it and so and Obama he commissioned the what we call the ICA the intelligence community assessment that they pushed out into the unclassified realm they made it unclassified

which are unprecedented where they wrote out the whole Russia collusion. That was on January 6 or 7, 2017. And when I read that, I knew this is complete bullshit. And then it made sense to me. This is why they booted me out is because they knew. And as a top, as a second in command for cyber, I would have like, you know, I would have told everybody. You can't say, you know, this bullshit.

And they didn't want that to happen. And that's what they did to Trump. They ran after him with all these impeachments, with the collusion, the way that Putin goes after his opponents. You know, Putin poisons people. But the deep state, you know, in my assessment, those two assassinations that were not there by chance. So anyway, I digress. Ask me more questions. I'm enjoying this.

I'm like, well, I guess I fast forward. to, you know, where we sit right now, I don't know, 47, 46, you get the point, days until Trump is inaugurated. And, you know, of the people I've been talking to, they just, they talk about how dangerous of the time this is, right? Before that, it was the election and you had the assassination temps. And, and then he got elected, okay, but now you got to get to, you got to push it over the next hill, so to speak. And so lots of people have been talking about, like, the next 40 plus days about how dangerous they truly are. You're, you know, you look at Putin and I don't know, maybe I'm wrong on this.

And I love your thoughts. Is like, to me, he's been showing great restraint on the U.S. and others, NATO, trying to provoke war. And I don't know, like in the next 40 days, does the deep state or Biden or whoever finally push him over the, the, the, I don't know, the proverbial limit, I guess. And do we go into something that we haven't seen in a very long time? What are your thoughts on that?

That is my biggest concern, Sean, is that we are inching towards nuclear war. And that is because Biden has just done a 180 by authorizing Zelensky to, on his policy, right? by authorizing Zelensky to use U.S. attack them's long-range missiles to strike deep into Russia. Up until a couple weeks ago, Biden's policy was not to provide those weapons, right? Biden himself a few months ago told his donors, right, that the nuclear threat from Putin is real if we provide those things. and the reason we can't do that is because I don't want to start a World War III. Those were Biden's words to his DNC donors during a fundraising event in New York City. And then he completely flipped, right?

Well, for Putin, it's again the red line. Interestingly, as you mentioned, Putin has been measured. Completely agree with that. When that story was leaked before Biden actually confirmed. that that was the case. The Russians did not overreact. Dmitri Piskov, Putin's press secretary, said, well, let's wait whether it's actually true because the U.S. media can no longer be trusted because, for example, there was a story, the Russians were saying it, there was a story in the New York Times or Washington Post that Trump and Putin spoke and they said that never happened.

So let's wait. But then there were actually strikes. You know, Zelensky took Biden on his offer. And he struck, the Ukrainians did a weapons facility in the Briansk region with their attackers. And the very same day, Putin has made changes to Russia's nuclear doctrine lowering the threshold in the scenarios under which Russia can use nuclear weapons. And I'm going to tell you specifically the language. Putin said that now, if Russia gets struck, even conventionally, with kinetic weapons, but it is assisted by a non-nuclear power, right? If Russia gets struck by a non-nuclear power kinetically, but with not nuclear weapons, but with the support of the nuclear power, we reserve the right to respond with nuclear

weapons. And here's why this is. As I said, Putin cannot afford letting Ukraine fall into NATO. It's an existential fight for him, right? But he also believes that we are very headstrong and we continue to like push and push and push. And it's possible that we would Putin think that because they watched what we are doing what we have done in the past quarter of a century right Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya. And it all started with Kosovo, right, Yugoslavia fell apart. And we removed Saddam Hussein. We removed Mama Gaddafi. He saw all of that happening. And then coupled with the rhetoric that comes out of the, the White House and the entire Washington, you know, Putin is a warmonger. He could.

not remain in power. That convinced the Kremlin, including Putin, that we want regime change in Russia, which I confirm the deep state. That's what the deep state wants, because foolishly they think that there will be some other magically a nicer person than Putin. Anyways, so Putin believes that eventually it is possible that we will decide to deploy forces, U.S. forces and NATO forces, battlefield in Ukraine because that's what happened in all these other conflicts, right? And if that happens, he absolutely has to use nukes because the Russian milk, that's the centerpiece of Russian war fighting strategy because in terms of conventional weaponry, NATO holds advantage in terms of nuclear, Russia holds advantage and to defeat

to win, they have to use nukes and also to de-escalate conflict. There's a whole concept escalate to de-escalate. And by the way, I described all of this in my book at the unclassified level. I should pause you then right here. How do people find your book, Rebecca? I apologize for not bringing it up sooner. But if people are listening, oh, man, this is something. I got to get this book.

I assume Amazon, but please let people know where they can go to get your book. Really anywhere on Amazon is one way. You just go on Amazon and you can Google Rebecca Koffla, Putin's playbook, Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America, but make sure that it's my name because some people, what happens on Amazon, they're like scammers. They would make a graphic that looks like my book, but they put their name on and whatever. But anyway, any store, Barnes and Nobles. And so I described why Putin, you know, thought the way that he thought in every piece of U.S., I'm sorry, of Russian warfighting strategy, but I also revealed my whole story. Each chapter starts with my own personal story, because I wanted to put this on the record that the deep state booted me out. and I described the tactics that they used,

those are KGB, Soviet-style tactics. This is what KGB does, and people can read it. And I wanted to clear my name to make sure that people understand how these operatives, they have KGB-style operatic. That's how they work. And I have colleagues who also were in the same situation not necessarily from DIA, but from other parts of the intelligence community. And I mean, we've heard story.

There was a Space Force commander who was booted out because he didn't want to, like, have the vaccine or he didn't want all that, you know, woke stuff. It happens all the time. But so I people love my book. Like if you read the comments, it really enlightens them. people many people said thank you now it all makes sense well i think uh you're you're probably convincing a whole lot of listeners i don't know what everybody else is thinking but i've been certainly enjoying this um you know if we we we talk a lot of doom and gloom here and i'm like

okay so we're inching towards nuclear war and the morons in the deep state are like well let's just bring it on yep i go but on the flip side i go like donald trump is 40 some days away from taking office and like Putin knows that like I mean you know it's if you're going to show restraint all this way are you not going to find a way that I mean the American side of it would never I don't believe would ever do this I'm watching this and I'm going he's been showing restraint for how many years now and he's now within finish line is right there because isn't Donald Trump day one gonna call him and say hey, could we just sign a peace deal and we'll back off a little bit and we'll do some things

to make sure that NATO is not on your doorstep? Like, isn't that what's going to, or am I wrong on that thought process? So I think you're correct thinking that there's a peace deal in the works. And in fact, my assessment is that right now they're already working through back channels because this is a standard, you know, kind of like back channel, communication is very, very important. It is my assessment that you know that Tucker Carlson is now in Moscow. Yeah, I've seen that. Yes, my assess, and I know a lot of people hate Tucker Carlson, but it is my assessment that Tucker is part of those back channel of communications. Why are back channels important? It is very important so that we don't get into nuclear war because there's going to be no winners or losers in nuclear war. And those people who are pushing, you know, and pushing, they're completely like, I don't really know.

I think they're either incompetent or there's another line of thinking that like maybe the reason why Biden, you know, is pushing Ukraine to get into nuclear war is because he wants to declare a national emergency to prevent Trump from becoming president. there's another school of thought but anyway getting into nuclear war is it would be absolutely catastrophic so yes there is a peace deal potentially in the works and it's not going to be an easy negotiation even though president trump and i have high respect for him he is a very talented negotiator very skillful business person but so is Putin, but Russia has an excellent position right now to negotiate. And until Biden messed up everything by providing these attack, by allowing the Ukraine to strike, we were in a decent position as well. The reason why Putin is in good position is this. He can continue fighting this war. For

years. Because from the combat potential standpoint, what is combat potential? It's a combination of weaponry, armed forces, the capacity of the military industrial complex to scale up production of military hardware and its defense economics. From that standpoint, Russia vis-à-vis Ukraine, Russia just holds massive, massive advantage. Ukraine is outmanned down gun. Russia has also has many, many, like three times more people, and Putin has mobilized additional thousands of Russian troops, and he authorized the increase of the Russian armed forces above the maximum allowable level by the Constitution, right? And he transitioned his military industrial complex on a wartime footing, actually seven years, prior to the invasion, again, because he foresaw all of that.

And he sanctioned proved his economy. And so their factories are now pumping out missiles like hotcakes. They work 24-7 and 3 shifts. On the other hand, Ukraine is being destroyed. Completely 50% of critical infrastructure is destroyed. So he can go on. We, however, have depleted to dangerous levels, we meaning the United States and NATO is in a very similar position, our own weapons arsenals. You know, some of these weapon systems like javelins, stingers, 155 millimeter shells, it's going to take from anywhere from 5 to 18 years, depending on a missile system, to reproduce.

and our military industrial complex is not on the wartime footing. It can't possibly scale up. And Putin knows that. And so when General Kellogg, whom Trump appointed as the envoy, General Kellogg's position is we're going to tell Ukraine that we're going to stop providing them weapons if they don't sit down to negotiate. And we're going to tell Putin that we're going to. continue to arm Ukraine if he doesn't sit down. Well, guess what? Putin knows how many weaponry we have,

okay? And we have China breathing down our throat. Why is Putin now creating this huge coalition with North Korea, with Iran? And by the way, 10,000 troops of North Koreans are fighting. Why? It's not because Putin needs North Koreans, like the Western media says, oh, Putin now is running out of people. That is complete BS. He's doing it to give combat experience to North Koreans because he is foreseeing World War III. He doesn't rule that out, okay? He's always thinking worst case scenario. And when that happens, because if we got forbidden deployed forces, then all these other countries, North Korea, around China, they're going to be fighting on Russia's side. So Chinese need combat experience. So all of these things. So it's not going to, uh, rat,

wrapping all back up to the peace plan. Unfortunately, Ukraine is going to have to seed territory at least 20%. It's going to have to. We're going to have to give legal guarantees to the Russians that Ukraine will never become part of NATO and like some other things. I know for a fact that people surrounding Trump do not want to give those concessions because we will look they will you know have egg on their faces right because look at look at it this way after almost three years a million dead between russians

and ukrainians we have provided 200 billion dollars to ukraine this has been a gravy train for the military-industrial conflicts. And now we're going to give 20%. So Ukraine is now in the worst position than it was in the beginning of the conflict. So the Pentagon is going to have a huge egg on its face. And I know they don't want to do that. So I think they're going to try to prevent Trump from striking that type of deal. That is my assessment.

I'm just Joe Blow civilian here. who cares about the area got on the face I don't want nuclear war I know but the deep state cares but the deep state cares because like I'm sitting here going I guess I'm just doing simple math I always try and boil things down

to simplicity and then I'll allow Rebecca to just like blow it up again okay I love it how you do it by the way I love it how you can dance and and like make a very short a concise and very descriptive and perfectly

accurate statement level. Well, we'll see. We'll see if my analysis is right again. I see Putin. You just said he prepared seven years before he invaded. Okay. He took seven years, folks, to invade, knowing that it was going to reach a boiling point, and then he was going to have to strike first, and he goes. And now it's not like he's lost two men. He has lost a crazy amount of people, right? But you go, but he can do this for how long? A long time. Plus, all of his industry set up the same, you know, in wartime measures. And you go, he is 40 days away from having probably exactly, not what he, I don't know if he wanted it from the start. I'd leave that to you.

But certainly under the circumstances of possibly nuclear war, he could possibly just be like, listen, Ukraine, this is coming us, NATO no longer there. And if I'm Trump, I'm going, yeah, that makes sense. Okay, done. And I understand the deep state doesn't want that. But I feel like you're, you know, as we inch closer to nuclear war, I also think, man, we are so close to having peace between Ukraine and Russia. Maybe I'm wrong on that. I just like, this guy has been like very, very strategic in how he's approached this. Seven years before it happens, like that's, that is something.

That's seeing like this is going to boil over. And they're going to come for us. They're going to try and do this. The rhetoric's changing. He's watching the wordsmith of how the United States operates. And he invades and on and on. And then they blow up north and they just keep doing things to try and pull them in. Nope, nope.

And 40 days out, I'm like, the only way this goes to nuclear is if the deep state of the world pushes 18 million buttons all at the same time. And I'm at the point. I don't know about you, Rebecca. I'm at the point right now. I'm like, the only thing that's going to push us over the edge is a false flag. event that's the only thing because everything up to this point I can get that after Trump's in maybe they don't want there's some things in the deal that they're like mm we can't do 20% maybe it's got to be 14% and I understand we're

talking about territory I understand we're talking about towns and people's lives and everything but when it comes to a deal that's what Trump does in the next 40 days Trump's not at the helm and so I go I don't see Trump I don't see Putin forgive me pushing the button because he's so close to peace he's so close to the guy he wants to talk to. So it's got to be the other side that does something that absolutely galvanizes the world into this has to be done. So here's what the war gaming revealed. And back in the intelligence community, I actually led red teams in a simulated conflict, Russia-U.S. conflict. A red team typically is the adversaries, military force, Russia, China, whoever, and then the blue

force is us, the United States, Canadians, NATO. So the war gaming has revealed that if we are going to get into direct kinetic war with Russia and it goes nuclear. And at that point, if we actually do, then it has to go nuclear for the reasons that I already explained in the beginning. It always happens through every war game. we conducted so many of them accidentally due to miscalculation or misinterpretation of each other's intentions. I did not mean to say that in these next 45 days, and I don't think I did,

I just need to clarify, that Putin is the one who's going to push the button, right? But it all depends on what we do. Okay. If we deploy forces or if the Russians, if they get the confirmation that we are about to deploy forces, that is on the table, nukes. But usually it's escalation ladder, even before he pops a nuke. There are other non-nuclear ways. There's catastrophic, destructive cyber attacks, you know, taking power grid down, the space warfare, all of it is described in my book. But an example of a miscalculation-driven nuclear exchange is the following. If you remember that a day or so after Zelensky authorized his forces to strike.

deep inside Russia with the US attack comes. The Russians fired a new class hypersonic weapon at Dnipro. That is a very, very unique weapon system. The Oreschnik? The Oreschnik, exactly. Correct. Correct. Now, I've written several pieces that people can go out and checked one on the Fox News and one today in the UK Telegraph. They can Google my name, Rebecca Koffler, Russia Orrashnik. So Putin fired that and he said, now everything is clear. We sent the message.

Let me tell you a real quick about this missile. It's never been used before in a war. And it had two purposes why Putin fired or authorized the firing of that weapon, particularly at this time. The Orrashnik is an ICBM disguised as an IRBM. ICBM is an intercontinental ballistic missile. IRBM is intermediate range ballistic missile. The difference is in ranges.

ICBMs are designed to wage nuclear war. We have the United States and Russia contests. to point ICBMs at each other today on high alert. Okay? So the Orishnik, the way that it is designed, it's based on an ICBM called RS-26 Rubesh, which is an ICBM, the guts of that missile system, which means the census, the electronics, the data acquisition,

capabilities to make sure that make sure that the missile flies at the right trajectory to the designated target. That is all that of an ICBM. We have huge, huge problems, not only with the interception of the system, but even with the detection and characterization. Why is that? It's because our intelligence systems, the missile warning systems that consist of satellites, hosted payloads on the GPS, radars, and various other things, they're looking for what's called signatures, right?

A signature of a missile, the shape, the size, the plume, the emissions, right? It's like fingerprints. like we have, you know, a person has unique fingerprints, so does the missile. So our system has a really hard time to discriminate what kind of weapon system it is and whether it's nuclear or conventional, because Ariesnik can be both. It's both. It can carry a nuclear payload or a conventional payload. And this is exactly why the Russians pre-notified the United States through nuclear.

arms control channels about what is coming because talking about the restraint that Putin has had that you keep mentioning because they don't want to fight a nuclear war. They don't. That's why they notified it. But he's sending a signal. Today, I notify you if you do something stupid and we're actually at war. If you deploy forces, there will be no such notification. And another reason why we can't possibly intercept this system, it flies at hypersonic speeds, 11 Mac, which is 11 times faster than the speed of sound, right. So the system is basically it maneuvers the warhead. So there's another, like, I'm getting too technical. I'm sorry. No, you're, forgive me. You're, you're, you're This is fascinating.

Oh, okay. It's just, it's my thing. I'm a weapons person. Love it. You know, there's this song by Leonard Cohen. He likes the beauty of our weapons. I actually just briefed in summer the U.S. Even now, since I'm independent, even I'm not in the intelligence community,

the Space Forces and the Noreg, the Northcom, they invited me to brief them. because again, there are no competent people. It's crazy to think that the level of competence is so low. Anyway, so Arashnik is also a Merv, which means multiple independently targeted vehicle. The Merv, it carries, it can carry like up to six warheads. And when the warheads are released, not only they fly at like super speed, hypersonic speed, they also maneuver horizontally and vertically to evade detection and interception. That's why it's very difficult and almost impossible to intercept with existing missile defenses.

And at this point, the United States does not have. have a comparable capability. We're behind on hypersonics, behind Russia and behind China. And so is like England has no, I put it in my telegraph piece. What capable, their ballistic missile defense capability are very limited.

You guys are protected by us, but if we don't have it, you guys don't have it either, right? And that's why Putin sent that message saying, so basically, if I'm getting what you're throwing down, is we kept pushing, oh, Russia can't do anything. Russia there's Russia that.

And then he sends off something that would have, I assume, because it sounds like it shocked you. It shocked the intelligence community that they had the capability of something that's deceptive. It's very deceptive in what it could be. And then on top of that, it isn't just one. It's upwards of, I think you said, six. Six on one.

Oh, boy. Six warheads. Out of one. On one. one move, right? So it's basically a missile that is technically an IBM, it can do an ICBM job. It can fight a nuclear war. And its range is such that it can reach the U.S. West Coast and it can reach entire Europe, entire Europe in about from 12 to 20 minutes, depending on which target. 12 to 20 minutes.

12 to 20 minutes, which does not give any time for decision making. And that is on purpose, Sean, because Putin wants to give NATO a taste of its own medicine, because he kept saying, you said that he's been very strategic preparing for the seven years, you know, basically summarizing what I said. But he also kept saying, red line, red line, red line, don't go there. He wasn't just preparing. He was trying to telegraph. because the distance is such that there's no decision time for him.

That was his whole point to make, like, he can't have NATO on his doorstep. Yeah. Because there's a thing. Yeah. You, you, I want to go back because you'd said something along the lines of, you know, like I want to make sure that I'm clear that I don't think Putin's nuclear war in the next 40-some days. And I was, I agree with you. I'm actually quite terrified of the fact that it will be probably, I say us, it won't be Canada, I don't think it'll be Canada.

It'll be something along the lines of NATO and that leans back to probably America and UK in particular that if they really, really don't want Donald Trump in, they really want to go to war with Russia. when you keep saying he keeps saying red line here's the red line stop stepping on the red line he's already proven there there are red lines he invaded ukraine he's already expended a lot of uh human lives in order to prove that point you've pointed out i think very clearly he does what he says and he and he's telling it very succinctly like listen stop this oh wait and we have this capability that you didn't know about i don't know like uh are you hopeful in the next 40-some days, are you like, this is going to take years to unravel even with Trump in? Where do you sit today, Rebecca?

So I'm hopeful that Trump will at least start. Right. Well, first, I'm hopeful that that Trump will actually become president on January 20th, because I am super, super concerned, Sean, about the deep state not wanting him so much. And the people whom he is appointing, you know, you're talking, you know, Cash Patel, Pete Hetzek, they want to dismantle the deep state, justifiably so. I want the deep state dismantled, right? And so, but these people, their whole livelihood, the whole power and control is now at risk. That's why they're fighting, like they're now smearing Pete Hackset, right, whom people, whom Trump nominated to be the Secretary of Defense,

look at what's happening right now. They're trying to Cavanaugh. You know, Cavanaugh is the Judge Kavanaugh, right? That was accused of like rape and all kinds of nonsense. That's, again, that's the playbook. I am concerned that, you know, that Trump and his team are actually going to be able to take the reins in January 20th. But God willing, if he does,

I think he's going to start the negotiations and probably right now through back channel. There are conversations going on. Is it going to be done in like a day like Trump says? No, it's not because Putin is like also very, very astute. And that's another thing like the, what the Pentagon and the U.S. national security circles, what they do is like they always underestimate that. adversary because they're just too arrogant. All of these nonsense like Putin is delusional.

He's crazy. Remember how there were stories about how he was supposed to die, like he was on his deathbed. All of this nonsense, instead of actually trying to get into the guy's brain and understand how he works and how he's thinking, all they do is like dismiss. So it's going to be tough. It's going to be a very tough negotiation because neither one.

Trump is very strong too, and so is Putin, so it's going to be, you know, tough. But I think it's going to be accomplished if the deep state allows Trump to account and the people who surround Trump. Because I know for a fact, like the people who surround him, they don't agree with him. Like, yes, JD-Vand on that particular issue on Russia, Ukraine, right? There's a melding of the minds and a lot of other issues. But with the exception of J.D. V.D. Vance, Vak Ram's Swami and Ellen Musk. The other people are of the same mindset as the neocons that Ukraine must be in NATO.

And if it's not, Putin will invade a NATO country, which is an EDI. assessment because Putin is not suicidal because the minute like if he invades a NATO country there's an Article 5 collective defense and then he's at war with NATO which he absolutely does not want. So I'm optimistic but very very cautiously and I'm being realistic as well that it's not going to be fast. You're pointing out quite well I think and I think others have as well. that the deep state is cornered great now, right? You're talking about all these different people, Trump's appointing, and they're speaking directly to the deep state.

This is his second term now. He doesn't have to get elected, and people are pointing to that, and saying, like, he's going to go in and make some headspin. Now, if I've learned anything from this side when it comes to politics, don't expect Trump to be this Lord and Savior. That's not what's going to happen. But can he go in and do some things? Well, I think yes.

I think you'd be lying yourself if you didn't think that. And so you go, they got the deep state. It's like a cornered, wounded animal right now because it's being exposed. And it goes, so it's highly unpredictable. I think that's what everybody's talking about. It's like, can anything happen? Yeah. Will it happen?

Well, I don't know. They're just going to go down, not swinging. I mean, they tried to assassinate him for Pete's sake. Exactly. They tried to throw them in jail. Like, they've blown up Nord Stream. They've now allowed these, these, these, missiles to be fired into Russia, right? And every time you think, man, we're, we're so close,

you know, something else happens. And one of the things I, I truly believe, if Trump gets in on January 20th or when he gets in, I'm going to say when he gets in, I'll see that to the universe. When he gets in, I just think there will be a collective breath taken by all of North Americans. Because right now, if you're paying attention to this, you're like, you know, 40 days isn't that far, or is a pretty short time. On the flip side, it's way too much time. It's like, can we just get there? Like, I mean, we're so far away and so much can happen.

Yes, yes. And I think Trump knows that. And that's why he is working so far. I'm so impressed with all these appointments and the type of people that he's appointing, that they're real fighters. And the type of people he's not appointing. I am very thankful he's not appointing Nikki Haley. He's not appointing Mike Pompeo, but he knows that those people are the neocons.

They're going to, they want to continue the foreign wars. A little closer to home, one of the ones that really, I was like, oh, man, that's nice, is Jay Batatari. I know that has nothing to do with war. But him appointing him is a signal to me where we're heading when Trump gets in. because I mean like if you you know went against anything over the last four years in COVID, uh, Jay Batatariah comes up on a list of people you were following and listening to and very

well respected. And I think, man, what an appointment to him getting along, getting the work alongside RFK Jr. And you just, you know, Tulsi Gabbard and all these different names coming out. You're like,

listen, you can try and criticize this is all you want. But all these names are people that we've been talking about over the last four years and I've been getting absolutely slammer. slandered and hammered and everything else and they're all starting to get appointed and you're like, this is pretty cool. Like, you know, the hopeful side

of you has to be like, we could see better days ahead. And there's a lot of work to be done. I mean, honestly. Any final thoughts, Rebecca? For Jay, I think it's poetic justice for him. I call it poetic justice that he's being appointed.

I love it. Rebecca, this has been fantastic. I appreciate you giving me some time this morning. If people want to get your book, Amazon Putin's playbook, obviously with your next one coming out, do you have a release date for your second book? I don't know if you said that. I think it's going to be sometime in summer 2025. I'm a little bit behind submitting my manuscript because, you know, of this war, you know, all of a sudden, like my workload jumped up, you know. You mean there's something going on in the world,

Right, right. And this is real world scenario, right? I was not planning to be, you know, briefing Space Force at this time and the Northcom and NORAD. I was planning on writing my second book and updating my first book, but I have to attend to the real world scenario here in the actual risk and threat of something that could be unthinkable if the deep state design. to make it happen. But yes, please people follow me on any social media. I'm on X, truth, social, getter, YouTube, Rumble, you name it. My handle is Rebecca, R-E-B-E-K-A-H. That's a different spelling. 0-1-332, and 0-1-3-2 is the code for the intelligence officer in the U.S. G-S. system. That's why it's Rebecca 0132.

Well, I appreciate you coming on. And we'd love to have you back on when your next book is released or in the lead-up to it being released. I think you've probably convinced a few people, or maybe a lot of people, I don't know, to go grab your latest one, Putin's playbook. Thanks again, Rebecca, for doing this. And, well, hopefully we'll chat soon. Of course. And thanks for having me, Sean.