Shaun Newman Podcast - #782 - George Kapocsi

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

George, originally from Hungary, has embraced his identity as a proud Albertan after spending decades in Canada. He is the owner of Old World Flooring. Our conversation touched on topics like communism, the People's Party of Canada (PPC), and the notion of the U.S. exerting influence over Canada. George advises, "Don’t take Trump literally, but take him seriously." Cornerstone Forum ‘25 https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/ Contribute to the new SNP Studio E-transfer here: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Silver Gold Bull Links: Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone]

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So, sir, thanks for hopping on. Thanks for having me. We've been arguing now for like 10 minutes about what we're going to talk about on this podcast, folks. And George keeps telling, I don't know if we could talk about that. I'm like, I'm just going to click record. This is, I'm not going to sit here and do this song and dance for an hour and then go, we should have just recorded what we were talking about. And where we started was, you know, one of the things I've noticed about Eastern.

Europeans in particular is you've all come and seen things that governments can do to people. And I think a lot of, you know, in a lot of senses it's happening already in here. And I'll let you talk to that, you know, in Canada. But you come from like this, this world of like you can't say anything and you got to, you know, there's a bug in every wall. And if you go back to far enough into Germany, like they're keeping tabs on everybody. And I've had cops literally tell me from Eminton. Like, listen, they're literally.

data on like if it's not everyone it's a it's a it's a it's a one in you know at this point probably one in three or one and four byron christopher who was on the podcast told me that probably three years ago that it used to be one in five Canadians and they basically going back to these cops were like you know even if you weren't on a list or weren't being surveilled they're like eventually a whole bunch of lines are leading back to you because you keep interviewing these people. So there's a chance that they're just, they've got you on a board. And are they setting a guy to buy the house next to you? No, but they're probably, that's buying Christopher folks, if you didn't catch that reference. Cesis bought a house next door to them and surveilled them there. They're like,

but in today's age, you don't need to do that. They probably have, you know, people listening into all the podcasts. I've already been told that's true. Um, from lots of different people. And it doesn't matter. So like the surveillance state has been here for a long time. And yet when I come back to Eastern Europeans, they're like, well, we shouldn't talk about that. And I'm like, maybe it's because I'm so green, George. Right? I've seen some things now. I've experienced some things.

But I'm like, the day we stop talking about things is the day that I truly think we're poached. Maybe I'm wrong in that. I'd love your thoughts. Well, I think we are poached. To start the obvious. Why? And I'm not talking about every Eastern Europe. European, what my experience is that we are disposable.

So anytime something you say or you do or being involved with the trucker protest or, you know, just show up at the UCPAGM with this shirt. He's got a, for the people listening, a Republic of Alberta sweater on, it looks pretty good. somebody takes a note and or when they need someone to be a four guy or or somebody they can use as okay this is the type of people we need to watch out for they can dig up a bunch of things from you I mean go back on your YouTube channel or or whatever you posted on Facebook and it was just a smart-ass comment and oh see this is and they put the

narrative on it and they build a profile and then when they have some and you're talking they as intelligence communities that work for the government or or just even a business group I mean you try to bring something new to the market

and it's ruffles some feathers and then oh that doesn't really fit my economic interest So let's paint that guy or that goal in a bad picture. And you don't necessarily have to, we use the analogy all the time to put a black back over your head. It's not that. But if nobody, and we live that in COVID.

Like nobody talked to you, you were an acceptable fringe minority. And, you know, you can. very uncomfortable. You can't go to work. Well, if you don't have this, then you can't even frame a house outside in minus 20 because you don't have whatever proof of whatever papers you need. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's not always the worst thing, but I mean, they make your life miserable. But don't you think by us talk. Think about that world that we're talking about that we're talking about that we lived through. And I'm just a small piece of it. If we weren't talking and finding ways to get the voice out to, I think, I think Francis Christian would call it the seismizdad, I think. Samizdad. Thank you. Right. The underground press essentially, right, of people talking. If we didn't have that, would Ottawa have happened the same way? And so like, to me, I'm like, yes, I agree with everybody's saying. The black bag, I use it that way. Kind of like when we get talking about ethics

commissioner in government, it's not actually ethics. It's, as Vesper pointed out to me as wording. It's actually criminal. And so I do black bag because it is extreme. But it is the most, like, it paints a picture of visual. This is what could happen to you if you keep talking about this way. Now, some is that. And I, you know, I'm not an expert per se of, of, of, Eastern Europe or Russia. But this is a true story and if somebody is really interested, they can

dig into it. In the 80s, the sum is that the photocopied things. And for your generation and younger, it sounds crazy. But in Hungary, the

anti-government or more democratic forces wanted to disperse information. How do you do that? Well, everybody heard the stories, the Second World War and on. If you had a typewriter at home, they can find which typewriter that article was typed on,

so they can find you. And dispersing information on a typewriter is slow. So in the 80s, the U.S. Embassy, gave Serox photocopy machine of the 80s to Democratic forces

in Hungary and one day they decided that they collected all those back and the paper you couldn't get because it wasn't a blacklist in Eastern Europe you couldn't trade

a bunch of things so they pulled all those papers and photocopy machines back so they were out of of materials to disperse information and then they went back to the American Embassy like why did you guys do that well things changed so those who supported the democratic forces okay now now things changed so nothing is black and white, nothing is really good guys or bad guys. It's everybody's interest. And the current interest, like, there is millions of stories about the day being absolutely two-faced. Like, I can give you another example, again, from Hungary, because that's where I grew up. You know, the U.S. and Iran

severed ties overnight when the Iranian revolution happened, when the Ayatollah took over, they get rid of the Shah. So we know the story and the 444 days of the

American hostages. Well, what happened in the background is the U.S. needed that oil. But the U.S. needed that oil. But the U.S. sanctioned Iran so the U.S. or the Western countries cannot buy the oil. So what is the

what is the play? We still need the oil. Iran has the oil. We need it, but we are sanctioning it. So what happened is through Hungary, Hungary, which is a landlocked country, Hungary bought the Iranian oil and through impacts is that those are allowed big companies trading with the West and the East or the Socialist bloc. They bought this oil, put it on a tanker, never made it to Hungary because there was no avenue to get it in Hungary, and brought it to the U.S. so the Iranian oil ended up in the US the Hungarians actually made the deal

the worst part for Hungary that those people who made the deal actually sold the oil for less than what they bought it for but some people get really rich on that so when we are talking about sanctions and all that it's it's never black and white. Yeah, it's what they're telling the public.

Yeah, it's public perception. And, you know, it's like I listened this morning on the way here, listen to your last podcast about the jail. Larry Hancock, folks, by the time this airs, it'll be a couple days ago. But Larry Hancock talking about Lee Harvey Oswald and the assassination of JFK. Yeah, I'm just using this as an example that they had a guy who they collected a over time and oh this suits

this for whatever reason we need a a four guy and we can frame it with the narrative and it was out immediately so that's the world we live in it's true but maybe my optimism George is

what gets me because I'm like I agree with you on lots but like I mean today they're trying to do these things they're trying to Lee Harvey Oswald like take people like that and put them into their narrative over and over again and then the online universe,

this universe, picks at it and picks and picks and picks and sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it wrong, but they just don't let things, oh yeah, that makes sense and move on. There's way too many critical thinkers now trying to pull apart every narrative that happens at times to like way too far, right?

But isn't that this is something different than we've ever had in the world. Nothing's new under the sun. No. But this technology, this ability to have conversations reach around the world in like the snap of a finger is different. Is it not?

Like we're talking in the 80s of papers and photocopiers and in like the physical and how to make things go faster and further than typing it out. Now you're talking about like at times we've had lots of chats about this. there's just so much information. How can you possibly take it all in?

You can't. It's information overload and you don't know what to pay attention to. And, and you know, the crazies. And I'm not saying that I'm on the same level as Matt Erad, but Matt is pointing out a bunch of things like this is connected to this. And it's only Canada. and Canada is, it's a huge country, but as an international player with 40 million people, they are like, you need to look everything in perspective and how much attention we played in the last while about the elections happening in Europe.

Like, does it register to you that I think end of September, September 29 was the election in Austria? This little tiny landlocked country just beside Germany had an election. The Freedom Party won. And who was the chancellor, who was the chancellor, who was, governing. The same old party who was there before, the People's Party, that's a centrist party, and September is the election, and the president of the country just gave the Freedom Party head, kickle, the go ahead to try to form a government. Like, did it register at all? I don't even know what you just said. What's the...

the significance of what you're saying? And maybe I'm just slow this morning, folks, and that's fair. Well, it is the same play that what happened in the Netherlands. The right wing, and I refuse to say far right party, won the election. And they kept putting it off that, okay, this guy cannot form government. So choose the second and third place parties to try to make a coalition. Same thing happened with Austria. Like the president... So what are you trying to point out, though? Like, what is the play?

Like, you're just saying that the right side of center, which is probably more where I sit, is winning all these elections and the play is to not let them gain power. Correct. Like, if you just recent years, Poland had the so-called, called the right-wing party win the election.

And, excuse me, they gave the power to the second party. It's his name. Anyway, it skips my mind. But they end up the second and third party, maybe the fourth, forming a coalition. And in Poland right now, there is a globalist government, supported by Brussels, the EU, and they didn't let the winning party form government. Same thing happened in the Netherlands. Like, Rata was out. He's now the head of NATO because his government failed. There was an election and the right-wing party won the election and it took forever. I don't want to tell tales.

I'm not in the Dutch politics, but it took forever. And the play was that the president of that party, the leader of that party, cannot be the head of the government. Sure. Cannot be prime minister. But he eventually becomes government, right? Yes, but when you have an election, you would expect that sooner that party is forming government, or at least has a government. or at least has a chance. So they are playing all those things.

And both in Poland, both in Austria, there was a long play, just like in Germany. The long play is that paint the populist or right-wing or conservative party in a bad brush and make it totally unacceptable. But don't you think... maybe I'm wrong in this. And maybe I'm wrong on this. But don't you think people are tired of politicians in the media painting anything with a brush anymore?

And they're, I mean, is there a chunk of the society on this planet that are still in that camp? Okay. But there's this ever-growing mass that's heading this way. Isn't that what you see and feel or am I just wrong in that? Well, what is the average Canadian?

know about politics no about well we don't know too much about our politics because you know we we have the narrative and how much

you who is immersed in this tin foil hat thinking how much you know about the German upcoming German election zero I mean maybe one percent you know like I'm I'm

I have my problem sitting in this chair, George, is trying to pay attention to what goes on in Alberta and then sitting on the border and maybe some Saskatchewan and then federal. And to try and keep it all straight at times is just, there's just so much going on. And I find Chris Sims, I always give Chris Sims way too many shutouts,

but I show to Chris Sims, because I find her, she's just been immersed in it for so long, or Tom Korski from Blacklocks. Yeah. They come on, and the wealth of knowledge they have is just like mind blowing

but in fairness it's like the only way I can relate it is my brain if you put me into the NHL right now is the same way I just know the rules and I know everything oh no that's that's I know all the stupid little things that you shouldn't know my wife looks to me she's like why do you know that I don't know

I'm like I just I played the sport I lived the sport I grew up in the sport everything in politics if you find those people which Chris Sims is one Tom Korski's another they can give you a break down and then why does Tom Long go down and trainer keep coming on and others because they live in the world of looking at the world and and there's no way I can be

everything no so it Germany I know nothing and I go what's the significance of the next German election well it is a not scheduled election they had to bring it forward because the the Ample the streetlight coalition so the red orange and green coalition failed. Germany is in free fall. And Germany is, to most North Americans, is the enemy. Like, you think of Germany, you think of the... You think of World War II.

Yeah. You even think of World War I for pizza. Germany is the economic power of Europe. If Germany is... So Germany is Alberta? Germany is the U.S. in sense of if the US gets the sniffle

Canada gets really sick well the same thing goes for Europe I mean Germany is or was the economic power of Europe built on the cheap Russian or Soviet energy going back to the 60s like you know we are still playing Cold War

and but the German economy was built on German engineers, Russian or Soviet energy and other base materials, and cheap labor from first from Italy, then Spain and then Yugoslavia. So everything had to come together to create this. Bahamas which is right now on its knees because accidentally the North Steam pipeline blew itself up and and right now the Europeans are screaming because the US is selling LNG four times as the price what they used to get the cheap Russian energy.

So you're waiting to see what happens in the German election because that's going to dictate arguably the direction of Europe for the next four years. No, it's more than that. So why the German election for some became interesting because Alan Musk had the audacity to sit down with the AFD Alternative for Deutscheland, alternative for Germany, which is labeled a far-right Nazi, all the labels,

kind of party. Alan Musk came out and said, well, that's the only party who can save Germany. The answer from the globalist Europeans is, oh, Alan Musk tried to influence the German election and from the French is like, oh, you are trying to put the Nazis back in power and the whole crazy things.

But one of the things which came out in that long interview, which was the first time the EFD really had any global exposure of what they trying to do or how they see the world, is labeling the EFD as a Nazi party is, wrong because the AFD is a conservative movement and the Nazis and we talked about that my previous podcast 465 if anybody wants to go back there was a socialist like a globalist socialist movement so national socialist party of germany that's the nazi party so what a socialist party is labeled as right wing

that's the first sentence of first major point of that interview anyway so yeah the German election it's you know they are playing the same thing

like Trump is evil and I don't know Georgia Maloney in Italy is evil that Georgia Maloney won and basically it took a

4% party, like a nothing party, Europe has way more parties in every country than the traditional US Republican and Democrat. There is places where, I don't know, 18 parties running for parliament and seven of them sitting in parliament. So Maloney took nothing a 4% party and with 22, 23% won the majority. But this was the same play. Brussels, the EU,

wanted to label her as also, you know, Mussolini Light and Ursula Foreign Alliance said that even if they win power, we have the purse strings from the EU,

we can hold it over their head basically. Yeah, we kind of correct it or hold the purse strings and then money talks and everything else is Yeah, but this is

So I hear what you're saying I hear the plays, I hear what they're trying to do But when they call her Mussolini light You know what people do Or where my brain goes? What? I never got to hear Mussolini talk. I'd love to go hear

what Mussolini kind of sounds like And then you go listen to her talk And you're like she sounds you wanted to hear Mussolini rephrase that no I won't rephrase it if I could sit and listen to world if I could go sit and listen to stall and talk to just I'd go sit and listen to as I would go sit and listen

to jesus and and and Gandhi and a whole bunch of but like these are these are historical characters that I'm like so you're going to label this person X and I already know sitting in my own country what they labeled the freedom convoy so I go well those labels make zero sense So as soon as they start labeling anyone anything, I'm drawn to go listen. Yes, but it actually has the opposite effect.

But you are one of 25. But if that was completely true, she wouldn't have got majority of government. And I understand there's so many, and it only took 20%. But our own bloody country Trudeau got, he got to sit his government with not much more. And so you go, she wins government by being what they don't want her to be. and I see that happening all over the place. Malay and Buceli, and then you go there,

and then you start to see more and more of this spreading. I mean, like, we can get into Canadian politics, but Pierre Poliav, I just chuckle. He literally ate an apple, took his glasses off, maybe put on it and maybe worked out a bit, I don't know, combed his hair a different way, ate an apple and started saying things similar to way Trump would interact with media, boom, rocket ship.

Like, I mean, rocket ship. Wild. And that's all it is. And so I see all these different right-wing extremist parties and all these labels being thrown at it. But it draws people in because they're like, well, wait a second. We already know that the media isn't playing ball. And they're labeling all these people.

And when they start doing it, you go, well, Sean looks. Well, more people are looking. The stats would say they are. Yes. I mean, the COVID thing. And, you know, it was a big wake-up. call for many, not enough, but a big wake-up call for many because you started as a sport podcaster. And then you really get into this and then you really had some very impressive

guests and thinkers and you opened a bunch of can of worms and and I listened to everything what you do and I learned a lot and, you know, piqued my interest and I, I kept digging elsewhere, just like you. You listen to Joe Rogan, you listen to Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan, like, okay, what happened with him? He was kind of framed recently. And there is so much information, and there is no way everybody can consume and digest every one of those. But they have AI.

So when they want to find something on Sean, not the black bag, but they want to find something on Sean. That I've said. Or your guests have had on. Yeah. Or your guests said on another show. Like I was on the Hungarian radio the other day and the comments were not, some of the comments were not really kind. but you know Joe Blow me coming in

talking about you know just the world somebody can put all those things in an AI computed and there is the the framing ready to go

so if they were not take Sean Dan you know it's I personally feel like it would be a lot harder than they think that's what I personally think Because you live out here in the... Two hours east the edge of the world, yes.

Yes. And you have something to fall back on. And I think this is very important that have your roots, have your own community, have your own support system in place. And it's not because the globalist want to take you down. It's just anything happens. Like, we don't know what tomorrow brings. But if you are just floating out there, then you have nothing to fall back on.

And, you know, it doesn't matter what analogy you relate back to sport. If something fishy happens, something crazy happens, you as a hockey player, you never rise to the occasion. You fall back on your preparedness. Speaking of preparedness, I'm going to do this so I don't forget. Here, sir. Wow. So for the listener, anyone who comes in the studio.

Can I get a Sean Newman instead of Charlie? Well, I'm going to have to bug a silver gold bull about that. Thank you. I mean, I'm not trying to be unappreciative. No, no, no. Any guests that comes in the studio gets a one-ounce silver coin. That complements a silver gold bull. I don't know.

Thank you. Coming out of communism, were you ever silver, gold, did that factor into anything back in the old country? We, in general, we always try to have something because, you know, we remember the stories from our parents, grandparents. And I think that's relating back to your own. original question about Eastern Europeans or between Europeans, not only Eastern Europeans and North Americans. The different thinking, you and your parents and grandparents never lived war, never lived hard times. And, you know, hard times create. Strong man, yes.

So you are blessed living in, in. one of the best or probably the best places in time and in in in history and physical location like north america yes north of canada did this in the first world or did that in the second world war and lost 45,000 people well 45,000 people lost and you know every life lost in a war is is a waste, but in Europe there is cities where hundreds of thousand people died. So that's a different perspective. And you have a different volume and, oh, we had the Jasper fires and out of 1,100 units of houses and buildings, 300 be lost.

well you go back to Europe Europe was pretty much flattened in 1945 like there was barely building standing in any city so that gives you a totally different perspective yeah I mean one of the things that you know my kids if nothing to act like nothing will ever happen again I mean that's a silly statement but like one of the things when you talk about COVID, if you made certain choices as your kids get older, or my kids get older, or others, you're going to have a story for them that not everybody has. And you've lived it, and you're going to warn them about certain things and certain signs and everything else. One of the reasons why Eastern Europeans coming on the podcast is you've lived something. None of us, I mean, I think we got a very small teaspoon of what can go on. in some of these countries. And that's why I enjoy having your perspective on.

I don't always agree with you, but that's, but I wonder if that isn't perspective. Yeah, give me those eyes, but like, I'm like, I could just be the guy who's naive. And sometimes that serves me well, and other times that puts me in Ottawa and surrounded in different spots where I'm just like very uncomfortable,

maybe is the right way to put it. But at the same time, I'm like, if we don't talk about certain things, if we don't go into certain subjects, If we don't talk about what's happening in government and on and on and some of the freedoms that we do have sitting in this beautiful country, then we will for sure lose them all. Like, absolutely. Yes, the encroachment. And I mean, Alberta is a prime example.

The federal government in a faraway land is keep stepping into things what they shouldn't have. And all I'm seeing being, you know, you know, between two continents. I left Europe 30 years ago, but I kind of follow it. But Brussels is Arrotava. Like they know best what serves the good of the common good. But when you live in Alberta, it's like oil is the livelihood of this neighborhood, right? And if there is no oil and no cattle because we all have to eat crickets, well, what happens to Lloyd?

What happens to your brothers, to your nephew, what happens to your coach who taught you how to skate and all? What happens to all those people? because somebody, and with the best intention, made a decision that, okay, this is not the road we want to go down any further because we are a much more evolved species and we need to do better. Well, okay, does it really, really work for the average Joe? Not necessarily. and they live in their own bubble in Ottawa, in Washington's, in Brussels, and, you know, in Moscow. And I mean, we Canadians should have a way better understanding and appreciation of Russia and what they feel and experience because we are their mirror image in certain sense.

I mean, we are just the other side of that. Arctic and and the US is making a play of okay well we need Granland we want to cannot have become the 51st state and many many people think that oh that's just you know that hideous orange men talking silly things and it's it's obnoxious but it's not there there is a play in that and that is many many reasons why why it's getting interesting and you know shan always talks about sorry about talking about you third person you know julie ponessie and how long this this fight is for and we talked about this yesterday the fight is eternal we just like our parents and

grandparents and generations before try to do the best for for our family, our tribes, or our country or or whatever association we have. Like, you know, we are tribal people. Like you are an Edmonton oil friend. When they play the Calgary Fames, it's the same Bartons who are rooting for both teams. But you would... I have some disdain for the Calgary Flames, yes. Yeah, I have disdain for both of them because... No, you know, I'm still sore from COVID.

I can't forgive what happened. And I'm not judging people like you who still goes back to... the Rogers Arena. It just, I try not to. If it'd be like, well, actually I don't, I don't know for you, but on my end, it's pretty much like I don't watch hockey anymore, right? Like I'm an oiler fan till the day I die. I mean, like, it's in my blood, I guess, you could say.

But, like, haven't been to an oiler game this year. Like, I don't know. I've watched a handful, maybe. At times, I'm like, I don't even realize who they got on their team. I'm in a different world. You know, like, I talk politics, world politics, talk to, I don't know, like, I mean the Lee Harvey Oswald thing. The reason I wanted you listen for it came in, I was just like, I just, it's fascinating to me. I'm like, at times I'm like, am I going to turn into that guy?

You know, like 30 years later, you've spent 30 years trying to understand the Canadian, you know, political landscape, if you would. am I going to sound like Chris Sims? Like that's the Lee Harvey Oswald thing. He's like, I always thought Lee Harvey Oswald was, you know, if I'm being truthful, you know, because I hadn't really, you know, how much, this is the information thing.

It's like, how much time can you spend looking in everything? So I just assumed, you know, he was probably M.K. Ultra, Charles Manson, go down the chaos book theory, whatever. And then you got Larry Hancock comes on. and when I put it into today's terminology, I'm like, oh, yeah, he's just like, he's probably one of the guys I've interviewed. I probably would have interviewed him at some point.

Probably would I interviewed Larry Heng, Lee Harvey Oswald, sorry, because he was on radio and he was talking differently than everybody. He liked communism. He liked Cuba in a time where... He thought he never made it. Correct. He went to Soviet Russia and he came back. And he didn't like it. And he didn't like it.

So that's actually a good segue. to our friendly socialist, communist out there. Don't say it here. Go to North Korea, please, or go to Cuba, just like Lee, Harvey, Oswald, went to the Soviet Union.

Hey, get married, get kids, but didn't like it. So whatever utopia you believe. Nobody from that world is listening. I have a hard time believing I got a communist sitting here. If you're listening to you're a communist, you fire me a text.

Because I'm like, really, they must be an open-minded communist by now if they're still listening to me. Yeah, probably. But I mean, that's the other problem. We live in this silos and we don't talk to each other. Well, that's why you got to, you get to, well, that's why I try and listen to as much as I can different different. And I know Sean Ryan is not exactly different or Joe Rogan at times, but there's health

the group, I mean, like, at times the world is pretty freaking bleak and dark, and there's just some stupid ideas. Do I need to go figure out more about a stupid idea, or I got to listen to the people that are trying to deconstruct a stupid idea, right? Eventually, Mark, like Zuckerberg was just on Rogan, talking about how he's basically going to mimic Twitter or X, and whether or not he believes it in everything X is doing, he's a money guy. He's a guy, and who cares. That guy has, what did he say, 3 billion users a day on Facebook? Think about that. And he's going to adopt, this is the hope I see. He's going to adopt more of an X look at things. He's telling the government no. I agree. For now. When you say forever, or like this is going to go on

forever, I agree 100%. But for now, things from an information standpoint are going to look to be more open. I'm sure I'm going to catch some flack for this. But like I just see the, the governments are all changing. You're seeing the rise of a new type of media that maybe when the printing press came around, this is exactly how it started out. It could have been. Yeah, I mean,

begging to our conversation about the dispersing information. So I'm sure there is a play and, you know, the Canadian whatever bill, the online information act, act, it is the play of controlling the

free press and and probably there is forces trying to you know puck handle people like john newman like okay we we give you this and this is trading information you may have somebody from the canadian government alberta government who gives you a little bit of tidbits here and there okay but they are Is that the story out there? No, but I'm just saying that it's, it's, you know, if you ever look into how states getting big secrets, like the big spy things, like they never tell you that, hey, go to whatever location the Americans have the nuclear weapons and just steal a nuclear bomb. they first tell you that hey go to this office and bring the phone book with you and okay nice job they don't need the phone book because it's it's public thing or it was public thing i mean every telephone company but then they give you another one and then you know slowly slowly they get you closer to the where they and there is millions of people you know east

Germany was a huge revelation after the Berlin Wall fell that there was families where the wife was reporting on the husband and the husband was reporting the wife's sister so

everybody traded for a loaf of bread or you know a daughter's hockey team traded something information and if it ended up in the right places then they can compile and you know make a case sure I just I see the hope of where we're at and does it last

forever certainly not I mean but the tides have shifted like I mean there's just no like nobody I got I got guys who came on here and they just couldn't see a way that Trump was getting elected Trump's getting elected then they make some deals in the back around after he got shot in the head I don't know, maybe. Right? But he's, I mean, we're not to January 20th yet, but we're a week away where we sit. He's a week away from being the next president of the United States.

Every sign I see says he's going to be. Do you think that it's going to be earth-shattering and January 21st, they're going to be a totally different world? Will the Ukrainian war end, as he promised, you know. Day one. Yeah. Well, I don't know. You've got to give me in the inside of Putin's head. and whether or not they're going to give everything Putin wants.

I assume if he said you could have everything Putin wanted, yeah, it probably would. Wouldn't it? They can't. And, you know, what? But that isn't the end. You just ask, can he walk in day one and end the Ukrainian war? Give Putin everything he wants and it ends. No.

Now is the United States going to do that? Probably not. No. Donald Trump going to do that? Probably not. which means we're probably not ending the war day one. No. And the best thing that happens day one is probably the negotiations actually start

because now he is the acting president of the United States. That's probably the best thing that happens that day. He's walking again a fine line because eight years ago, the Russian collusion was built on some facts that he won the election in 2016 and he immediately started to send people over to talk to this and that conflict and that came back that he was not a president yet he was a US citizen and he was a US citizen and he was meddling in in world politics and funny thing is that he by the is no longer the president.

He probably is on life support. Yeah, but it's funny to watch that, you know, Georgia Maloney, Mr. Trudeau and other

head of states, the Alberta government's representative, including Daniela, is in Mara Lago and basically one after the other

is going visiting him and some has a better reception the others you know the black sheep of Europe Orban was there a number of times and you know they are

Trump being elected he is not the president yet but he is acting like a president and the world is treating him like a president, but there is certain things he cannot do because the other side watching also him and the Russian collusion file is getting built as we speak again.

And what me as a news consumer, I'm just playing attention to. Trump is an interesting person and the reaction to him is interesting. And the reaction to him is interesting because they try to ridicule him with the 51st state, with Greenland, that they want to take him literally, and they don't want to take him seriously. And I think it's both a mistake. What he says, he's very calculated, I think. He is very measured in his own way.

But when he brings things up, they are just points what he need to express. And ending the war in day one, is it really day one? Or is it the point is ending the war? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, you can make fun of the guy that, oh, he, this is February 22nd and the vote is still going on. Well, it's signaling a different direction where right now we're going to fund, we're never going to give up on Ukraine. We're going to give them billions upon billions of dollars. It's never going to end. We're never leaving Ukraine until we defeat the Russians.

And what Trump's signaling is a complete opposite. We're going to end the war. We're going to, we're going to stop. funding this. We're going to get to the bargaining table and we're going to sit down with Putin and we're going to end the war. And it's not necessarily the U.S. I mean, U.S. is the biggest player, but funny thing is that the U.S. is putting Europe in the corner, which serves its purpose. if the US wants to focus on East Asia and the Far East, like the Taiwan Straits and protecting Taiwan or whatever, then they cannot play this game in Ukraine. And the other thing is hopefully, hopefully,

what will change is we... make a better effort to try to understand the other guy. Like, I listen to your guests and nobody is talking about, okay, how do the Russians really feel? Well, there was one lady who was, what's her name? Rebecca Coughler. Yeah, I mean, that was really, really great because even though she was born in the U.S., in the USSR, in the Soviet Union, she understands that culture, but she worked for the U.S. State Department. And she was the first one who talked about the Russian perspective.

And we should have the same thing for the Middle East conflicts. We don't understand their culture. We don't respect them. I mean, every culture has their pride. And it's, we understand the samurai is about Japan and it was an honor thing. And well, the Arab culture or the Middle Eastern culture is much more, my understanding. I'm not an expert on that subject either. Israeli-Arab conflict is not really about land.

It's about pride. It's the power play. Like, you know, the goofy saying is, if you are in a jungle where a 450 pond gorilla can sleep, wherever he wants, right? because if you are the biggest dog or the biggest animal, then you can throw your weight around. But what does it do to the others?

So Russia is, Russia, my understanding, I'm not Russian, I don't live in Putin's head, but Russia is always trying to, get closer to the West and you know before even the US was a superpower they always had in the Tsar era French tutors for the nobility and they always wanted to be San Peterborough St. Petersburg is resembling very much like Paris and Merseilles, Versailles, sorry they try to mimic.

They wanted to be accepted by the West. But we are always belittling them and looking down on them. And the Russian history is the history of the West is invading Russia, for one reason, the other. From the Swedes, the Napoleon with the French, the Germans. And it's always the same. route. It's the north European plains, which is

Ukraine right now. Poland, Ukraine, it's like a funnel through north of Europe. And if I slap you in a hockey game in the face, game one, then game two, I give you an elbow. You're going to

be prepared and you even though it's a friendly competition. We can't get our neighbors after COVID to talk or to forgive each other. We're talking about centuries long, millions of people dying, and we expect it to just be kumbaya. Yeah, yeah. It's yours, if you are Russia, if you are the Russian bear, it's like, okay, time one, time two, time three, it's not a coincidence.

anymore. Yeah. So, and the same thing goes for the Middle East. If we don't understand their thinking, we never going to be able to influence or help them or trying to create peace because we don't understand their thinking. So in your brain, do you just draw back? Like if you're in the United States with all their hundreds of military bases all over, the world. Would the play to be just to like draw back and let them figure it out? Because I mean,

how many of us are going to walk into somebody else's backyard and go, this is how you guys are going to act? Like we're the moral authority there. Yeah, well, that's why the world is changing. Like, you know, the rule-based world order. That's the mantra everybody's keep repeating from Brussels to Washington to Ottawa is the rule based. Well, whose rule is it? Oh, it's our rule. Well, for fifth, so 80% of the world's population don't want to play by that rule anymore. Because, I mean, the BRICS countries are forming something to be independent of the the West and for them the West is the woke crazes. Can we take a little bit back on the voceness and just try to be friends and but can we be

friends? I mean you know the colonial time is over apparently. Well France pulled out of Africa decades ago I think in the 60s. Well, the GDP of France, 20% of the GDP of France is still coming from North Africa. Like, the French are not the colonial powers, but without the colonial former colonies, the French government would be in a bigger doo-doo than they are. I mean, France had an election, And it didn't go according to the globalists. And it's about money bills. And the whole thing fell apart.

And, you know, you should get someone who can explain how France is still living off the Africans. And that's why the Wagner group from Russia, it's not because there is 200 Russian patched soldiers are roaming somewhere in Mali that's not the big play the big play is what is behind it because from countries they're going to kick the French forces out it's not a huge force

but they are just there to keep their finger on the scale so yeah everything is interconnected and it's always couple of levels deeper than where do you see the world heading then like I mean

like you know you come to the cornerstone forum part of what i always say about it is is like you know if i'd been doing it in 2019 i think covid would have been a topic i think it would have been or certainly the first first days of 2020 it would have been you know like the forum would have just you know whether they would have let us to get get together we would have talked about on an online forum then right like and so i look you know i want to as best i can stare into the future gaze into the horizon and be like, oh, these are some of the things we've got to pay attention to. When you look and you talk about all these different plays

that are happening simultaneously, what do you see? What's your big worry or maybe your big hope for the future? The world is keep changing, just like climate. Like it's changing. But how much, how much, how much, influence we have over that is questionable. But it's a great play.

Somebody made this hoax up of climate change. And there is a ton of people who are benefiting of this idea. Well, I don't know if you saw it, but LA is burning and that's climate change. Is it? It's not that there is no water in the reservoirs. Yeah, in the reservoirs. but they are painted in multicolored. So, you know, that's again, the information overload.

What do you want to hear? Is whatever fits your ideology, you can get that information. You listen. You know, you already said it. And if I go back early on in an early conversation with Tom, and then certainly others. And I'm probably, I can't rattle them off, but there's probably a list of people.

They always go back to community. They always go back to like, you know, you need a strong community. Well, what makes a strong community? Healthy families, you know, you got to talk to your neighbors, you got to look out for one another's, you've got to build skills, you got to work together to bring in things

that you're going to need and it can make a thriving community on and on and on. And so like at times, the world is complete and utter noise because it's like, how much can I really impact a forest fire and what they're doing in California? I can't. I literally can't.

I can make sure that we don't do the same thing in this area. But, okay, forest fires in California. Where did the equipment go? Well, it went to Ukraine. Oh, was it a smart play? No, but I mean, we need to help the Ukrainians. And it's a good thing. okay but why is a war in Ukraine

and then you keep peeling back the layers and you end up with it's probably not bad intentions from the politicians or whoever is shaping the world they thought it's a good idea like the law of unintended consequences yes and you know

I mean you can make million examples up of oh we have climate activists gluing themselves to the road somewhere because they really believe it and give them the benefit of the doubt that they really do believe it.

But they don't do it in Saudi Arabia. They don't do it in Russia. Well, there was one, somebody tried an oil tower in the North Sea, a Russian oil tower, and they ended up eight months in jail or somewhere in detention. And that was the end of the story. They never tried it again. But they keep... So you're saying, is there a lot of Lee Harvey Oswald's?

I agree. Is there a lot of people that believe the world is ending? Yes. Climate change, whatever you want to stick it to, on and on and on. But somewhere in these groups, these clubs of 300, these, these... Club of Rome. Right, right, and on and on. You know, we both like I I feel like I know there there is a group of people that are operating on an nefarious plan now they're they're going like this may take 200 years and I never would have thought that three years ago but to me the Lee Harvey Oswald story is perfect is the perfect example they had something they wanted and so they used the tools they have which is extensive.

It's almost unlimited. The intelligence, trading, the money, et cetera. It's just, it's unbelievable. Yeah. And they took a relatively smart, by all accounts, Larry Hancock, quite intelligent man, who believed enough to go to Soviet Russia and do things there and then come back.

And they used him to play out what they needed done so they could move to the next play or the next spot. And, you know, everybody is like the international borders cannot change. That's a play, except when it can. Like, you know, the whole narratives about the Ukraine-Russia war is that everybody have to respect that international borders end, and, and, end. Okay, how about Kosovo? like the US, without the UN Security Council approval, went into Yugoslavia, bombed the living hell out of the country.

I talked to my neighbor and he was telling me stories of when the Canadians were in the Balkan and they did the hard knock. You know what the hard knock is. And really, why is our defense? force defense meaning that somebody is attacking us then we have to what is our defense forces are doing eight time zones away what are they defending but anyway long story short so they create this new country Kosovo and it's the typical British playbook and it doesn't matter if we are talking about Yugoslavia or Syria or Canada this made up countries with

unnatural borders, not based on ethnicity, not based on language, not based on, and, you know, in the Middle East, that's a tribal culture. So you can draw a square box and say, okay, this is Syria from now on. That is no such a thing as Syrian people. but now everybody is oh we have to you know Assad the dictator is gone so we have to play nice with the new regime well that guy was an al-Qaeda and ISIS leader

yesterday but now everybody is playing homage and it creates some really goofy things like the French and the German foreign minister goes to visit in Syria and Alina Berbock, a really smart lady, who ridiculed Germany and the world stage,

I don't know how many times, like, oh, Putin needs to change his view, he have to take a 360-point turn. Well, when you take a 360-degree turn, you are backward. But anyway, this lady goes to, explain that how the European Union will support the new Syrian regime. And Al Jolani means the Golan Heights, that's his fighter name.

So the new president of Syria shakes hand with the French foreign minister and just put his hand on his heart and knobs. And that's the treatment for the German foreign minister. And then when he has later talking to the press, he never says that the Germans or the German Forest Ministry, he says just the female, the woman said. Like absolute disrespect, why would you put your country, your club in that situation,

you know that they won't shake hand with her. So why is she even there? So anyway. I can't answer that question. I just, to me, like there's just different levels of it. I guess is what I think about, right? Like you got different governments

that are trying to get certain things. And then you got, you know, the people that are, above that, which is probably the big money, the banks, the oligarchs, all these old things trying to play out their own plays and their own influences and trying to figure out how a system works so they can influence it the way they wanted to go. And then, you know, there's, well, I don't know, I guess, is it factions? Like, I just, to me, it's very complicated. This is like, it's like trying to learn about Canadian politics in a week. It's like, well, have fun with that. If you're not in the world, it's going to take some time.

Here I sit how many years later and I'm still like, we could have a sitting prime minister where probably, well, who knows, we could have a sitting prime minister of Canada who's not an MP who actually can't, and you're like, how does that make any sense? Well, actually, we would be better off because we, no, no, I'm not talking about a person in particular. I'm talking about we end up, oh, we need to have in the federal liberal government, we need have a representative from the West. Okay, that's the rule or kind of unwritten rule.

So who did we elect from the West who was a liberal? Well, does that person bear the knowledge to be, I don't know, heavy industry minister or foreign minister? Like our system is, and we won't change. But I mean, if you take Melanie Jolie and put her on the other side of the table of Loverov, I don't know if you listen to the Lov interview with it. Yes. You can like or dislike the guy.

You can agree or disagree with him. But did he come through as a competent, knowledgeable, well-prepared person? Correct. We don't have one of the do we have, I mean I'm being a little hyperbolic, but how many people do we have that you could say that that statement there in the Canadian government right now? Sorry, I'm not. I would love to have Leslyn Lewis on the podcast.

She comes to mind, right? Like she seems like she's pretty competent. Yeah, but where is Leslyn Lewis? I mean, have you heard about her in the last 18 months? Um, here and there. Yeah. Here and there. Here and there.

I mean, shouldn't she have more? Or, yeah, anyway. You know, the Canadian politics is interesting because, you know, at one point when Harper resigned, there was a guy who was running to be the head of the Conservative Party, Maxime Bernier. Yes. And apparently...

He was very popular. and he lost. And you can go back and listen to that interview on here. And I'm sure he talks about a lot. But you can go back and listen to that. And it sounds like there was some nefarious plays in there. Okay. But my 100,000 feet view is 50% of the MPs,

or about 50% of the MPs supported him to run for the leadership. Sure. and there is today no one among the same group no one who would even touch him with a 10 foot pole but can't you understand that I can but then we are back to the first sentence

of our conversations of why people don't want to talk about things like it's always ruffles somebody's feathers Like he He stepped into the Do Doe of talking about the daily cartel Sure

I just mean But why would 50 people not go to the wall for them It's like well Just because 50 people say they support you Doesn't mean they're going to go to the wall for you We know that about friends We know that about family We know that about acquaintances

The government's no different It's probably way worse I support you And then 10 seconds seconds later, they're probably talking in the back room about something else. Bernier said, what about what? Okay, no, I'm backing away, right? Because now my job's on the line or whatever.

To me, that makes perfect sense. And so, like, when you're making a bold play or a leadership, you're going to go after leadership, I mean, you're going to find out what type of leader you are. You're going to find out how you exude what exudes off. You know, you know, like, I met Bernier in person. I've had him on the podcast. Like him on the podcast? Everything.

When I met him in person, he didn't exude this warmth of, like, charisma. He didn't. And people can hate or love that. I don't really care. And it could have been an off day. Like, all these things play in. When I met Preston Manning, older man, but he was, I mean, the official opposition, he was something.

I was like, well, that was pretty cool. Like, now, that's just two instances of two different politicians. and they're just snapshots. It doesn't mean anything. It's just like you're talking about why 50 people didn't go to the wall for them. I have no idea anything about the inner workings of that party. Hardly now, let alone back then, to know, like, maybe he said a bunch of wild things. And we all know how people feel about wild things.

You know, I'm on the hopeful side that the wild things are getting more support these days. But back then, you said one wild thing, which wouldn't have been that wild. mainstream media would have lambasted you. And as soon as mainstream media is talking about anything, we already know how our politicians are. Okay. And they're starting to build some backbone, mainly because people like Elon Musk

and now Facebook being open to it, I mean, that's only going to think about that. That's only going to open up. Well, maybe I'm a little bit interested in what you have to say over here. Yes, but then we are back to the principles or the princess, like Justin, Trudeau is

inheriting this position. Preston Manning grew up in politics. Of course he will come across as really knowledgeable, polished, and But that's not what I said. It wasn't the knowledgeable

and polished. Polished, I guess, maybe. It was his demeanor. It was how he interacted with people. Because that's his trade. That's what he learned from. That's Maxine, Bernier's trade.

Is it? Is it not? He's the leader of the PPC and doesn't say, he has not won an election, single one as a PPC member. Okay, but where is Bernie coming from? He, his claim of fame, my understanding, and I could be totally wet, that he was from Quebec, his father was in politics. So yes. Oh, so his father was in politics?

Yeah. So maybe he has a little bit of background. in politics. Yes, but he never really got, you know, the Preston Manning, the Justin Trudeau's, who were in, and the support group behind Preston Manning, the support group behind Justin Trudeau is way bigger than this guy who acts like a loose cannon on a ship. Well, now he does. Yes.

Because that's his brand. His brand is a PBC. He has to be a loose cannon. If he's not a loose cannon, what is he? When he was in the conservative... I could be wrong about this. I just... What's interesting about Daniel Smith,

we were talking about this the other day, is she loses and has found a way to go from, like, the worst type of loss, right? Crossing the floor. You can just imagine, you know, like... Only thing I could think of is, in the sports analogy, is LeBron James going to Miami

and then coming back to Cleveland, although that's, you know, I don't know if that's exactly the similar. But certainly, conservatives hated Daniel Smith, and she worked her way back. But as soon as you have a loss, people are a fickle bunch, right? So he loses. Now, should he have won, is their political chicanery going on there? Guaranteed, this is politics. If I've learned anything about politics, it is not, you score three goals and another team gets two and you win.

And it's like, well, can we find a way to get an extra goal up on the scoreboard? Can we bring these people? Like, they think in different ways because from what I can see, people truly believe if I'm elected, I know. And therefore, we need to do whatever I need to do to get elected. Or if the party gets elected, the same thought. If I believe blue, we will do whatever we can to make sure orange isn't it. Yeah. So, Maxine Bernier loses.

As soon as he does that, he has an uphill battle, especially. when he leaves a conservative party because conservative is like intertwined in our in our culture right now as like the right of center it's the right party and so they just they just shrapnel and he goes off because you you said that we we have this conversation over the years you and me and you don't and you said this to every guess that i i i like what you say most of the time but i don't agree with you in everything. Well, on the other side is is not that divided because those individuals don't represent a different

fraction. Like, you know, the United Conservative Party of Alberta. Why is it called United? Because they had to bring two very different factions together. And within those very different different factions, there is other factions. So it's called united because we had to somehow manage to bring all those people together. And it shows that we're bringing people together. Don't kid yourself on the pick of the wording.

Right, we're reunited, right? We're coming together. It's all raw, raw. Yeah. Except there is some people outside of that. You know, the new wildrose. What is the newest one? the Waelthro's loyalty coalition. Sure, something like that. And they are carrying some of the old flags, like Alberta have to be a separate thing and on.

But it's a bunch of compromises inside that United Conservative Party. And I think every other party is working similar way. It's not a one-off. So your question is, where is the world going? I have no idea where it will go because there is so many plays. Like we rumbled off from the last 200 years of history, a bunch of things. It doesn't really matter. It matters, but it doesn't because it's, like you said, back to community, back to the basics, back to the family.

And if I learned anything from my family histories, there can be this or that kind of government. If you have the basics, you can survive, you can even thrive. And if you don't have any of the principles, the basics in... It doesn't matter if it's the best or worst government. You're not going to have a fun time. Yeah. Right?

You got to get your priority straight. and do the simple things. Yeah. George, appreciate you coming in and doing this, and I look forward to our conversations, you know, as, I don't know, I don't know, I've enjoyed this. But when me and George sit down, we always go back and forth.

And that last night's conversation around the dinner table was interesting as well. So either way, thanks for coming down here. And I'm twisting his arm, folks, because if you didn't know this about George, he's an excellent, excellent Tyler. So he is, what's your business, George? You probably don't want the promotion, but I'll give it to you regardless.

Well, as a former advertiser of the Sean Newman podcast and the mashup, Friday mashup, Old World Flooring, we are doing tile installation in Calgary, showers, back splashes, renovations. Yeah, I'm from Calgary and that's what we do. And he's got, I can speak to seeing his work first hand because I was like, holy crap, I didn't realize you could do this with the tile. And one of the things I'm trying to convince him, you know, as we build this studio out in the middle of nowhere, is to do a bit of work out there.

And I think I'm winning that debate, but we'll see here as time goes on. Either way, George, I appreciate you coming in and doing this. Thank you.