Shaun Newman Podcast - #783 - Michelle Worton

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Michelle Worton is a Dental Hygiene Practitioner from British Columbia who has served her community for 17 years. Known for her commitment to preventative dental care, she has also been actively invol...ved in community health events and educational initiatives. However, her life took a challenging turn after receiving two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, which she associates with a series of health issues culminating in a rare brain condition related to a symptomatic pineal gland cyst. Cornerstone Forum ‘25 https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/ Contribute to the new SNP Studio E-transfer here: shaunnewmanpodcast@gmail.com Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Silver Gold Bull Links: Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: SNP@silvergoldbull.com Text Grahame: (587) 441-9100

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Starting point is 00:04:20 I'm joined by Michelle Wharton. So, ma'am, thanks for hopping on. Yeah, of course. Thank you, Sean. Appreciate it. Now, I know a little bit about your story, but I'm going to assume the audience doesn't know a whole lot about you. And it's your story to share. So go for us, you know, just walk us through a bit about yourself and then, and then we can get into, well, the present day, I guess.
Starting point is 00:04:44 Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah. My story is extensive. I'll start with that. It's controversial, unfortunately. And I'm not really sure where when someone suffers a health crisis where that becomes controversial. But unfortunately, for me, it is. adverse event vaccine injury. My story is one of which individual that experienced an adverse reaction to the COVID vaccine, Pfizer, in my case. And that was December 16th, 2021. And initially my first, my first dose was November 14th, 2021. My second, December 16th. And previous to that, I was healthcare professional, thriving, vibrant, healthy, no pre-examined.
Starting point is 00:05:35 existing medical conditions, backcountry skier, alpine skiing, skin skiing, 60 pound backpack, mountains, coached soccer, played soccer, coached my kids, and a small business owner and a business that was growing and 2,000 patients that I served in my community. So I built a healthcare practice from the ground up and worked in that profession for 20 years. And my life has changed radically in just a little over three years. And so where I am today, yeah, is primarily homebound. And I haven't practiced clinically since February 16th, 2020, which is really hard to wrap your head around to think that it's been almost two years since I've been able to practice.
Starting point is 00:06:27 And it's one of these experiences that being on the side of being a health care provider and being immersed in informed consent and public safety and bodily autonomy and like all these, all these things. If I didn't live it, I wouldn't believe it. And I'm not alone and I'm not rare. And there's this huge aspect of, of, you know, disagreeableness or disbelief that those that have been injured by the vaccine are rare or that vaccine injuries don't exist or they're not as prevalent as they are well they are and i can speak firsthand what that has done to my life yeah
Starting point is 00:07:20 yeah significantly impactful yeah if i go back um early days before you you you received the first or second shot uh like were you at all skeptical of what was going on or are you just like, no, we need to get this done and move on with life? No. That's a really good question. So my practice, I mean, we were shut down. We were shut down for about five, about five months, of course. And in British Columbia, in March of 2020, that's when I went on sort of being more proactive than reactive. And so I had closed the doors to my practice, just to sort of observe what was happening. And it was within a week that the latter, like the remainder of the practices and where I live in Fort St. John closed. And then, of course,
Starting point is 00:08:17 we were observing what was happening within the province and globally. And in order for us to reopen, of course, we had to implement a significant amount of not so much infection control, but there was a lot, you know, social distancing and masking. And there was a lot of concern. And so we were able to reopen. we roll into 2021 and at that point they're you know discussing in in the latter part of 2020 this vaccine that's going to be rolled out and and so the vaccine was rolled out and and I mean I navigated we reopened like I said about four or five months after we initially closed and and I navigated that pandemic and I took it very seriously and throughout that duration I had not was not exposed to COVID I had not had COVID. To be honest, I never really was ever sick. And I tested, you know, did my due
Starting point is 00:09:09 diligence because, of course, we're serving the public. I work in a, you know, I work in people's mouths. So it's a highly, highly exposed aerosols in airborne and it's a respiratory illness. And by the latter part of 2021, in British Columbia in particular, anyone that was employed employed by a health authority provincially was mandated by the end of October to be vaccinated. And at that time, that didn't include private. But I was still watching transmission rates increase, people still being vaccinated and still getting COVID. And so in my observation, my understanding from a science perspective of what a vaccine is,
Starting point is 00:09:50 this wasn't fitting that definition. So that was concerning for me. And so based on that historically what the definition is of a vaccine and that observation, no, I wasn't supportive of that vaccine for myself. I wasn't compromised. Yes, I worked in healthcare, but I still didn't consider myself compromised. Risk versus benefit. I didn't see the risk versus benefit because it was still,
Starting point is 00:10:19 we're still seeing transmission and we're still seeing people, you know, kind of contracting COVID, irrelevant of being vaccinated. And I served in a few roles within my profession. And part of that was my previous role had me privy to in-camera information. That is a bit challenging for me to discuss at this point in time. But that was me being aware that all regulated health care professionals in British Columbia were going to have to be vaccinated. And that was an order that was coming from Bonnie Henry.
Starting point is 00:10:57 and that was concerning for me because it was no longer that just those that were employed by health authorities would have to be vaccinated. It was all regulated health care professionals in BC. So that meant me. And as that conversation expanded for our respective designation, that was December 31st, 2021 was the anticipated vaccination date. And that was that was. ultimately that the nature of those discussions, the nature of those in-camera meetings, the level of coercion and judgment and condemnation and shame because there was public scrutiny, there was public inquiry within my community of my vaccine status and that of my employees. So there was a significant amount of exploitation.
Starting point is 00:11:55 and even the language within, you know, the behind the scenes discussions that I was privy to was, you know, that in which you're not being responsible if you're not vaccinating. And I take my designation very seriously. And while I'm not able to practice, like I said, I still take public safety very seriously. So it put me in a really compromised position. So it's not a simple answer. You know, there's lots of layers to it. Some of it's science-based. Some of it is it's personal.
Starting point is 00:12:30 And when Bush came to shove, coercion is not informed consent. And that's what I felt. I felt that there was this level of coercion and condemnation that was associated with me having to make a decision that I felt like informed consent wasn't truly understood. and bodily autonomy was no longer mine to make because I wasn't deemed as being responsible
Starting point is 00:13:02 because I was not vaccinated. And I reached out to my primary care provider at the time to ask her about natural immunity and, you know, that my concerns with the vaccine and that I didn't feel like it was in my best interests and I was met with, you know, disregard and that, you know, I should be, shock and awe that I wasn't vaccinated. I should be ashamed of myself for not being vaccinated.
Starting point is 00:13:31 And so when you get met with that with other medical professionals and, you know, and these are people that I've had, you know, great working relationships with for two decades where I live, there's a lot of division and a lot of relationships fractured professionally, personally, and that set the tone between the nature of that conversation and public inquiry of my vaccine status. And I never, I never released that how that became public knowledge that I wasn't vaccinated. Still to this day, I'm unaware of how that became public knowledge, but it did. And that why my vaccine status became a topic of conversation. Michelle, I hate to hop in, but I have two, you may have already said this and I may just not have caught it.
Starting point is 00:14:19 When you're talking about having a practice, what was your private? Like, or what was your private? Dental hygiene. I was a dental hygiene practitioner. So I'm still, I'm still licensed. I still hold my license. And so that puts me at a, at a fairly vulnerable. I'm vulnerable and relatively compromised because I do what I say I say with absolute validity.
Starting point is 00:14:49 what I say is science-based because I could potentially be at risk of being reported to my college for whatever anyone decided that they wanted to report me for, which really is challenging because what I say I'm very clear that it's based in science, it's based in literature, and what I'm sharing is my story and my story is true. And what I'm saying is based on... Do I hear you correct that you're worried today that people might share it with the college, that you're speaking out about a vaccine injury that you yourself are going through and you may be removed. That's what like that's the, I'm catching that, correct?
Starting point is 00:15:27 Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And what I've had to go through to be here today, which is very difficult is, you know, I've had to, I've had to navigate my clinic and put people in place to oversee the practice, you know, new management, new practitioners and my clinic is in transition. You know, I will, I will not own my practice in a few
Starting point is 00:15:57 short months because I've had to walk away from a practice and a profession that I loved, that I loved. So that's, there's a lot of feelings that goes along with that because I took, I take my, I take my role very seriously and be, sorry. Don't apologize. I mean, the practice I built, I built on relationships. And I built that between, you know, professional relationships, personal relationships. You don't have a practice with 2,000 patients because you're not a highly credible,
Starting point is 00:16:36 competent practitioner, you know, you're not sought after for mentorship and public speaking. and, you know, advocacy for your profession and, you know, presenting at colleges on practice management, independent dental hygiene practice management because you didn't demonstrate those competencies. And so there's a lot of, there's a lot of concern of me speaking publicly about my vaccine injury. But the fact of the matter is, is my medical records don't lie. and what has happened to me is real and I have the medical documentation to prove it. I've got highly credible physicians specialists out of the United States that have confirmed that my conditions are vaccine induced. And yeah, it's it's been it's been challenging, Sean, in so many ways, so many ways.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Yeah. You know, I think I speak for the audience that, I mean, you are not the first, will probably not be the last story we're here that's not, obviously not the same. Every story we have on has its uniqueness. But one of the things that happens is usually, you know, it's emotional. I mean, you're losing everything you've worked so hard for. And then everybody always apologizes for crying or for getting emotional. It's like, in my world, that's the most ridiculous thing in the world.
Starting point is 00:18:11 It's like if you weren't emotional, I think you were a robot or something, you know. Like I think everybody can completely understand where you're coming from. Now, I want to go back because you said you don't know how your vaccine status got released to the public. Could you walk me through that? Because that seems, I don't know, odd to me. But maybe you can shine a light on that. We're talking about Fort St. John. No offense to Fort St. John.
Starting point is 00:18:42 I can't. I can't honestly. I mean, I, we live in a small community. Yes. You know, it's 25,000 people. And I mean, besides my family members and some maybe close friends that were aware. But then that's concerning because then there's levels of trust that are broken. When that, when you start to like have this, when I started receiving emails,
Starting point is 00:19:12 from members of the public and patients asking my vaccine status and that they wouldn't confirm their hygiene appointments until I confirmed that the hygienists they were seeing were vaccinated. I was, you can't help but feel pressure and concern. And that was, I was absolutely blown away and I was also hurt as well. but also at that time, you know, with my due diligence and ensuring that we were abiding by our regulatory body because as a regulated healthcare professional, we all have our respective regulatory bodies that we hold our licensing through. And until, you know, that mandate was enforced, we were still within our regulatory guidelines. And at that time when those, you know,
Starting point is 00:20:08 individuals were inquiring about my vaccine status and that of my staff, there was no, mandate at that time for regulated for all regulated health care professionals. And the most concerning part for me through all of it is that I vaccinated first was December for November 14th and second was December 16th. And I was like, okay, well then I'll be vaccinated by December 31st. And December 31st rolled around and that vaccine date was moved to March 24th. And by that point, I had already vaccinated. And that came again from the information that I was aware of, of public inquiry and shame,
Starting point is 00:20:57 not being able to service a community of 2,000 patients that I had within my practice, you know, primary income, small children. And it was the hardest decision that I've ever made, which didn't. feel like a choice. And I made that decision to serve and continue to serve. And it's the very decision that had completely pulled the rug out from underneath me that I can no longer practice in that profession. And it's one of those decisions that there has been incredible reconciliation that I've
Starting point is 00:21:33 had to resolve with myself. Moral injury. You know, there's this discussion of moral injury. and of that going against like any ethical beliefs or values and whatnot. And, you know, I did go against that. So there was this aspect of forgiveness with myself because it wasn't even the fact of moving forward with that. And then, you know, all of these heavily influenced aspects and then being injured on top of it was just added. fuel to the fire. And I ended up resigning from that role that I fulfilled because it didn't
Starting point is 00:22:21 further align with my moral compass. And I couldn't be a part of an organization that was in a position to enforce mandates or ask for registrant vaccine statuses. And I just couldn't. I couldn't. And by that point, by, you know, within an hour of my first dose, cardiac-related issues, so high heart rate, irregular blood pressure, tightness in my chest, shortness of breath, generally just very unwell feeling, and that was within an hour of my first dose. And that never really dissipated. And then my second dose within within two days was repeated spike in cardiology, cardiac related symptoms. And then it was neurological.
Starting point is 00:23:17 So blurred vision, tunnel vision, double vision, double vision, hot spots in my legs, signs of neuropathy incontinence. So I was losing control of my bladder. brain fog dizziness, vertigo, joint pain, bone pain, nausea, like it was endless, endless. And little did I know now today that it's my immune system, my neurological system. And unfortunately, with the level of tissue damage that's happened over the last three years, the immunologist that I most recently spoke to is concerned that I may have myocarditis. This is where I wish, I don't know, I get the most uncomfortable on this side, but I want to ask anyway. So don't, apologies for digging.
Starting point is 00:24:10 You get your first shot. You have issues. And, you know, from your lead up to it, going against what you thought was right, which is, you know, I, yeah, that's difficult. then you have issues an hour after you're like i assume you're just like pardon the french voice but fuck yeah and then my next question is did you try to not get the second shot or or were you just like at that point they have a gun to your head like if you want to keep this job because i've heard so many different stories of people having exactly what you just said and like in order to get the second shot we'll just put you in the hospital to have the second shot so in case anything
Starting point is 00:24:54 happens and you're like in case anything happens it's already happening what are you talking about um but i guess between the two shots walk walk me through those days if you don't mind because i just i think no no yeah it's it's it's well part of me was hoping it was just like nerves you know like that like feeling of like you know i wasn't the only one in there you know i walked into that health unit and it was like a buffet of it was casual it was do you want moderna or fizer it was so casual and there were other people from other companies that were there that were mandated and you know you could see the look of despair on some people's faces that were like i'm not here because i want to be i'm here because i have to be and i was like i understand you know and i mean i was optimistic because i didn't want it to be
Starting point is 00:25:51 permanent. And I didn't know, quite frankly. And I was hoping irrelevant of what happened that those symptoms would have subsided and it would have been more of just like nervousness of that decision. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. But what happened after? Again, you have to also realize that this is, I'm getting correspondence, mandatory vaccines are coming. I'm getting the paperwork behind it saying irresponsibility to not choose this sitting alongside your peers you're just like oh my goodness and then December 31st December 31st meetings are increasing public is emailing me and it's just like stacking and December 31st is coming and it is just one of those yeah it's it's hard to wrap your head around when you feel handcuffed.
Starting point is 00:26:53 You feel handcuffed. I hate to interject, but one of the things I would add on this, I don't think it's hard to understand at all. One of the things, you know, I don't think about that much these days, or I try not to, is the amount they ratcheted it up. And I talk about it, well, not lots anymore. I used to. I had a probably 30-day stretch.
Starting point is 00:27:19 where I had a deadline. And every day I'd be like, I'm going to get it. And then I get, you know, I've talked lots about the book club and what they've, they've meant to me,
Starting point is 00:27:29 even today, is how many times they talk me off a ledge. And I'm the guy talking to the Peter McCulles of the world. And Adam Conrad just came to mind. He was the fishing guide folks back in Saskatchewan, who had the first one and had heart attacks and was in and out of, you know, like I'm hearing these stories.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Yeah. And I was still like, maybe I should still go get it because the pressure you're talking about was insane. And I was the most conflict that I've ever felt in my entire life ever, like ever. Like it was the hardest decision. I have never made a decision in my life that I did not want to do ever. And up until that point, I was 42 years old, ever. There's not one single thing. I've made mistakes.
Starting point is 00:28:16 trust me i've made my share but not once was it ever that i made a decision and it i felt that i was coerced this was the first decision i've ever made in my entire life that i was like i am so angry and frustrated and sad and disappointed and scared and all of these things and for the outcome to be what it was was yeah i mean it was just like hey i'm going to to go, no, I'm not. Yes, I'm going to go, no, I'm not. I get the correspondence. Holy shit. I have to go now. Oh, my goodness. You know, I'm talking with my spouse about it. He's like, I don't really want you to, Michelle. I'm like, I don't want to. But as soon as those, as soon as that correspondence started coming and Bonnie Henry made it very clear of our disregard
Starting point is 00:29:08 for public safety. And British Columbia is quite egregious in a variety of ways from government overreach to regulatory body overreach. There's so much that is very unique to British Columbia, unfortunately. And it hasn't stopped, Sean. Like when I say it hasn't stopped, like I had no idea how bad it was. And so it was about roughly a week after my second dose and, you know, all of those symptoms and then some. And I reached out to the primary care provider that I had.
Starting point is 00:29:45 at the time who I had tried to discuss about not about getting up um an exemption and I said you know I'm having these issues and well let's bring you in we'll see you and so I went in for an appointment it was like the first or second week of January 2022 and I didn't see that provider I saw someone else and I went in and you know explain my symptoms and what happened and the doctor you know asked me if I was in menopause of all my symptoms that was his observation was I had blurred vision, tunnel vision, brain fog, dizziness, vertigo, hot spots in my legs, neuropathy, incontinence, all this stuff. And it was, it was menopause. And I was like, you've got to be joking me. And because of the neurological and sudden onset, they started
Starting point is 00:30:33 ordering brain imaging and blood work. But I also realized that I was going to be not well supported. And so a friend of mine connected me with a practitioner in Alberta and he's outside Calgary and he's been with me this whole time and he's been fairly ostracized from his peer group in in Alberta. But he was actually the physician that signed my vaccine injury claim. So I do have a claimant with the with the vaccine injury support program in Canada, which that's it's doomed to fail. That program is nefarious at best. Like it's just unbelievable. And I like, can explain that shortly. And so that's where the investigation started.
Starting point is 00:31:15 And it was blood work and MRIs, brain MRIs. And I ended up hospitalized within three weeks of my second dose for kidney stones. Never had any issues with my kidneys in my life. My blood work showed issues with my renal system by the time that I went in with the doctor. So, you know, it was heart-related issues, neurological kidneys. They identified cysts on my liver. Then they did the brain MRI. They found a lesion on my preidolode.
Starting point is 00:31:47 They checked me for MS. I followed an MS neurologist for about a year, had repeated MRIs. She confirmed that it wasn't MS around. Well, she confirmed it wasn't MS January, 2023. So it took well over a year to determine that. But in that time frame between my first MRI in February of 2022, and I had a follow-up MRI in July of 2022. I had repeated liver ultrasounds because now I have masses that are forming in my liver
Starting point is 00:32:18 that are increasing in size and amount. And according to physicians here, everything was fine. I was fine. And by this point now, I really don't understand what's happening. I know I don't feel well. I'm canceling days at work. I'm canceling weeks. I don't feel well.
Starting point is 00:32:37 My vision. is not amazing. And so, of course, I'm looking at public safety and not working on those days. And I yet still don't understand. And they say everything's okay. So I got my eyes checked, my vision. And this is September 2020. And I'd never had a change in my vision in close to two decades. Given what I do for a living, my sight and my tactile sense in my hands is pretty important. Today I have substantial vision impairments and I have lost feeling in my hands and feet because of the neuropathy. And this is because of my immune system attacking my nervous system. And so I had my eyes checked and at that point I had no changes in my vision, my prescription,
Starting point is 00:33:22 but I had visual field deficits. So I had vision loss starting in both my eyes. Brand new to me. you mentioned well you mentioned uh you have kids how many kids do you have two two yeah how is man i don't know i don't even know where to go with all this folks this is like this is just depressing to hear like i'm i'm glad i get to bring you on sorry michel i like i'm glad i get to let people hear your story i'm just like this is and it's not even it's not even it's not done that's the thing I had brain surgery I had brain surgery Sean November 20th
Starting point is 00:34:09 20th 203 brain surgery to remove a break to remove a brain cyst that they found they found it on the July 22 MRI it wasn't written down I found they did another emergency MRI because the MS neurologist noted it but it wasn't written down by the radiologist I never found out until January 2023 so within 14 months from my vaccine date, I had kidney stones, liver cysts, brain cysts, brain lesion, breast cysts, breast calcifications. And as we fast forward now to present day, I now have more breast cysts, calcifications, lesions that they say are cysts in my liver, now on my gallbladder. And what it's taken me to finally see,
Starting point is 00:35:04 a specialist in British Columbia. When word is on the street that my onset is vaccine injury, nobody wants to see me. That immunologist, that it took the stars aligning and a lot of prayer to finally have someone let me get my foot in the door via phone. And the only reason that happened was because I omitted that my onset was vaccine injury.
Starting point is 00:35:31 So we had to try to keep it away from my record. so that someone would see me. And they looked at my imaging of my abdominal imaging. And their comment is those aren't cysts, Michelle, in your liver. They're calcifications. We don't know what they are. We've not seen that presentation before. You need to see a gastroenterologist.
Starting point is 00:35:55 You need to see an abdominal specialist. You need to see a cardiologist for your heart. You need to see a respiratory therapist because your lungs are damaged. You need to see a rheumatologist because I have multiple immune conditions now and a neurooptimologist because my vision is damaged. And you keep in mind, so I'll be 46 on the 31st of this month. I was 42 and healthy. Yeah. And we gear up because I have zero care in Canada.
Starting point is 00:36:26 No one will listen to me. No one will believe me. It's anything but the vaccine. anything. They're easy to push on anti-anxiety meds that I'm that I'm anxious or I'm nervous or that it's stress, you know, and women unfortunately are incredibly marginalized, especially women my age, you know, it's menopause, it's premenopausal. There's so many excuses. And I mean, you can't look at my pre-existing medical condition and look at me now and not understand that like the very essence of my body's changed.
Starting point is 00:37:02 You got thousands of people listening right now to believe you. I believe you. I'm like, you don't have, you know, like. Yeah. And I'm not the only one, Sean. Like there are thousands and thousands and thousands of people globally that this is the common theme. And here's the thing. I'm friends with Briandresson.
Starting point is 00:37:24 So she's a co-founder of React 19 in the U.S. And I'm not sure if you're familiar with React 19, but it's an advocacy group. It's a vaccine, COVID vaccine advocacy group. in the U.S. And they represent 36, I believe 36,000 people in the United States. And Brianne was part of the AstraZeneca clinical trial. And so she signed up. She signed up for science, you know, she wanted to, she believed in it. She believed in the vaccine. And she was injured. And as part of the clinical trial, her information and her response, which is very similar to me, so she has neuropathy, she has, she has diagnosed from the NIH vaccine-induced neuropathy.
Starting point is 00:38:07 She's got various other conditions that it's not mine to speak to, but neuropathy is because she said it publicly. And her data from the clinical trial with AstraZeneca was omitted. It wasn't included. And when she was at the NIH, the NIH had vaccine injured from all four vaccines, all people, all there injured at the NIH. Now they're trying to do clinical trials on those that were injured to figure out how to help them. And they completely disregarded all of those individuals that were vaccine injured. And that's how React 19 started was those that were vaccine injured from all four vaccines were at the NIH getting care by the NIH. And all of that information was omitted.
Starting point is 00:38:53 So if we want to talk about informed consent, if you decide that you're removing people from clinical trials that had adverse reaction, And this is across the board. Every single vaccine, neurological conditions, cardiac conditions, immunological conditions, thrombosis, and all of these individuals experience very, very, very similar onset time-wise and conditions. And that was omitted from the clinical trials. So no, we weren't given true informed consent. I mean, I just reviewed Pfizer's 2024 product insert. Their product insert, if you look at Section 8.5 under adverse reactions, they identify it as post-marketing adverse reactions. So they're not saying that this was known before they released the vaccine. They're saying that it's post-marketing.
Starting point is 00:39:44 And in that product insert now, if you review it, it clearly identifies many of the conditions that I have, many of the conditions I have. Yeah. So still today from my the team that I have in the US because I don't have a team in Canada today I visited two highly credible specialists in Utah and this is after brain surgery. I can touch on that which I laugh about and honestly like I'm I'm I'm at like four out of five five pain level every single minute of every single day. It never stops, ever. I have electric shocks in my hands and feed every single minute of every single day. That migrates to my knees.
Starting point is 00:40:45 I'm on oxygen and have been since the middle of October because my pulmonary function is damaged now because of my tissues from my immune system. The nerves, my vision is from the vision therapist I work with in Alberta. And again, any of the care that I have received has been private care in Alberta. The specialist there discusses the brain inflammation that I'm experiencing from my immune system is like I'm having repeated concussions over and over.
Starting point is 00:41:14 And if you're familiar with post concussion syndrome and having a concussion, you were telling that you played hockey. You're pretty aware of what that looks like. So you imagine me having repeated concussions for three years. Things aren't going so well for me, you know. And yet every day I will absolutely not give up. because I have two small kids and a spouse that loves me. And like a life that was like incredible before this, incredible, you know?
Starting point is 00:41:46 And this team in the States, like they discussed, they have a treatment plan. They have implemented it with other vaccine injured in the U.S. If we don't treat my immune system, my conditions are going to get worse. unfortunately the treatment is it's expensive it's available in Canada but it's biologics so biologics are like blood-based products so I'm missing aspects of my immune system now so I can't fight disease my body's attacking itself and that includes I'm entirely immunodeficient I have certain immune cells that are no longer presence I have small fiber neuropathy I have mass cell disease and masked cells are part of your immune system and they respond to allergic reactions.
Starting point is 00:42:33 So essentially I had a very severe allergic adverse response to the vaccine and my body started attacking itself. I have strogens, which is an immune disorder that attacks your tear ducts and your salivary glands. So I need a biopsy on my salivary glands. And so there's issues with my eyes, hence the issues and my mouth. And then the lesions on my lib or kidneys, breasts, chest pain, lung damage, concerns of either myocarditis or pericarditis, and I'm 45 years old. And if we step back to 2023, realizing that I had no previous conditions, I had imaging of timelines and everything's chronological, I had no presentation of brain cyst at this. imaging, it was on this imaging, it wasn't written down. You know, I get discharged from the
Starting point is 00:43:32 MS neurologist and I said, well, what about this brain cyst? What the heck do I do? Why wasn't I told six months ago that I had a brain cyst? And she said it wasn't written down. I was like, well, that's helpful. You know, in the meantime, I'm getting progressively worse. And so me being who I am in my science background, I start researching pineal gland cysts, and that's what I had. And so I come across this neurosurgeon, this like really credible neurosurgeon in South Carolina. And he had written a few research papers and he had done at this point in time 200 of these excisions. So removing this cyst, this brain cyst. And the pineal glands in the very center of your brain. And it regulates your sleep cycle and melatonin. Within that gland, it also regulates
Starting point is 00:44:17 your entire endocrine system. So keeping it pretty basic. It's like your thyroid, parathyroid, male hormones for male hormones. And so no one can help me in Canada. And so I call the university hospital where he works. And I was like, does he work? Does he take international patients? And she said, yes. And I said, well, I want to book an appointment.
Starting point is 00:44:43 And so they put me on a beta blocker in Canada because they were trying to regulate my heart rate. And when I talk about a radic heart rate, like I'm talking like 80 beats per minute to like 198 beats per minute from sitting to standing. 60 to 160. Blood pressure dropping, blood pressure spiking. By the spring of 2023, I literally couldn't walk for four to six weeks. I had no blood pressure, no proper blood pressure flow. I visited a couple naturopathic doctors, had live blood analysis performed. It showed blood clotting. I visited a heart clinic in Alberta. They showed blood clotting. they did microvascular testing so testing my small blood vessels and that showed up as small vessel
Starting point is 00:45:25 disease and my macrobascular system so not my arteries and veins but every small vessels and 90% of the blood flow and oxygen to your brain are small vessels they aged my vascular system at 69 years old and i was 25 or i'm sorry i was 45 44 so i had aged cardiovascular wise 20. 25 years in 15 months because of blood clotting. Yeah. So I started anti-coagulation blood therapy with a naturopath in Port St. John, really just trying to do anything to stay here. I mean, there were moments like I contemplated my life insurance. I wanted to call my children.
Starting point is 00:46:17 you know, like no one could leave me alone. Like people had to stay with me. I was in and out of the emergency room countless times, you know, treated from migraines constantly smirked at by the doctors. It's not that bad. It can't be that, you know, and minimized and marginalized and marginalized. And around that time is when cranial pain and pressure started, like immense cranial pain and pressure.
Starting point is 00:46:45 Pressure behind my eyes. temporal pain, insomnia, debilitating insomnia, like not sleeping, gate disturbance. I couldn't get my, it was almost like sea legs. If you've ever had that before, I just couldn't catch my footing. And I'm not working, obviously, by this point. My last day was, again, early February, 2023. And word finding difficulties, cognitive deficiencies, short-term memories going and now I'm starting to lose peripheral sight in my right eye and I have no idea the impact of this brain cyst so I took my imaging from Canada I took my MRIs and I went down and I saw that specialist in the US and he took one look at my imaging and one look at me and he's like 100%
Starting point is 00:47:33 you need that brain cyst out there's compression in your brain and I'd been exhausting myself asking questions. And so I continue to have these masses forming, all of these cysts forming in different areas. And I get completely disregarded here saying everything is fine. It's just cyst. It's not a big deal. And part of the discussion with the team in the U.S. is that it isn't necessarily the size of the cyst. And so this is something that it's important to note because a lot of the doctors in Canada and the United States do consider pineal gland cyst incidental findings. And they, can form for various reasons. Why they become symptomatic, that's really individual. Hormonal, and you think about the pineal gland itself, it regulates hormones, you know,
Starting point is 00:48:23 there's environmental exposure, there's toxins, and in my case, my shift in my health was vaccine related. And so what they're looking at with the research at MUSC, so I offered myself to science, you know, the tissue when it was removed, the biopsy, they, they, kept it for their research and what they're doing is they're looking at the presentation of the cells that are inside that cyst and why a cyst becomes symptomatic. And so when they did the biopsy of that cyst, they found mast cells. And again, that circles back to my discussion about mast cells being a part of your immune system. And massed cells are meant to release chemicals and they release them in response to an allergic reaction. So if you get stung by a bee, if you eat
Starting point is 00:49:11 penis mass cells are in your digestive tract, they're in your skin, they're meant to do that in those areas. It shouldn't do that in your brain. And my biopsy, and those of the biopsies that this surgeon has done have shown primarily this higher volume of mass cells in these cysts. And we'll see as their research unfolds. They're continuing to get funding because they're trying to investigate and I do believe they have a greater, a greater what they can, what they can uncover through their research, I believe is going to help us significantly more just pineal gland research. I do believe that. But understanding what was in that brain cyst helped me to ask more questions here in Canada. And that was like, what is this mass cell? What the heck is this thing?
Starting point is 00:50:05 And I started asking after I received the biopsy results. And I asked for an immunology referral in Canada. This was like after surgery, this is February 24 after I come home from my three-month follow-up from brain surgery. And they never sent the referral for me. I asked for specific testing. I asked for specific blood work. And it was sort of, you know, I asked like, is this stay in your own swim lane? like and I was met with yes like you know only certain doctors can order those tests and I said
Starting point is 00:50:39 we'll send me to the right doctor and that wasn't done um and so when I did end up back in the United States again in Utah seeing the immunologist and the neurologist um one of the very conditions that I asked to be investigated in Canada was the very condition that I was diagnosed with in the US and then some so indeed those mass cells do play a significant larger role in allergic responses. And again, from my case, and I'm not the only one. Like, if you look at the common theme of many people that are vaccine injured, pots, mass cell activation disease, small fiber neuropathy, and either chronic fatigue or brain inflammation. So there's an overlap of these like syndromes that you're seeing that a lot of people are exhibiting. And
Starting point is 00:51:33 me having to sit in front of a neurosurgeon and have him tell me that I needed brain surgery. It was one of those moments that I was just like stoic in shock because now he's explaining how this procedure is done. So the petanineal vents on the very center of your brain. You know, they drilled out a section of my brain. They do a keyhole procedure. They do it. They did a spinal tap. They drained, you know, did a spinal tap so that the two hemispheres relax.
Starting point is 00:52:07 They removed a gland and a cyst that was larger than the gland itself, encompassed the entire gland that was compressing my brain and creating complete dysregulation of hormones in my body. And we had to prepare for that. We had to prepare my children. We had to crowd fund, you know. It was $108,000 American, Sean, $148,000 Canadian. not available to get any funding from Canada.
Starting point is 00:52:41 We applied for out-of-country funding, couldn't get it. My community, a friend of mine, Shonra, established to go-fund me. I entered into an agreement to sell my company. I liquidated assets. All my savings gone. Before I even left for surgery, I was $80,000 in debt because of medical bills privately, and we live in Canada. To date, I'm at about $300.
Starting point is 00:53:07 $50,000 in medical bills, not to mention loss of wages. And I'm not done yet. I still have no long-term treatment plan yet. And we prepared for the surgery. We went down. I had it. Obviously, I came home and living, which again, if I say if that's what I survived, and that was the only thing. I was hopeful. But I never knew what was going on from like the immune-related aspirated aspect. And but what I can tell you is that specific set of symptoms I talked about like the word finding and short term memory, vision loss, you name it, gate disturbances, insomnia, within like two days of that surgery being done, like gone immediately, immediately. And I had probably, you know, I mean recovery was challenging. It was difficult. And around the
Starting point is 00:54:08 six to eight week mark. I could say that I could see like this window of a veil had been lifted and I had an opportunity to get life back again and I was so optimistic. And we went back down to the States for my three month follow up and everything was great. I was on point. I was recovering well. I have permanent vision loss because it was left for too long. And around the spring of May or June of last year, is where my immune system kicked into overdrive. And I started becoming hospitalized again. And that's where my lung related issues and lung tissue damage and most recently now, more chest pain.
Starting point is 00:54:54 And again, from visiting the team in the U.S., it's my immune system. Yeah. And I've just never had the proper treatment or the proper care or anyone to listen. because I came home with all of the information from the United States. Comprehensive testing, blood work, blood work shows I'm immunodeficient, shows that I have certain, I shows the neuropathy, I have the pots confirmation, I have all the tilt table testing, I did all the neuromuscular testing with the neurologist in the States. I brought everything home. I did a spirometry test, so that's to check pulmonary function.
Starting point is 00:55:35 And I gave it to the doctors here and they say it's not policy to work with the, with international doctors or the doctors in the U.S. So they won't use any of their diagnostic testing to help me access care. And if we wrap back up into like the biologic, so this is IVIG, so it's intervenous immunoglobulin. And immunoglobulin is a specific immune cell that we're supposed to have in our body. And if we have the correct amount of it, that's what isolates foreign. pathogens and it isolates it and then it calls in your immune system and your immune system attacks it. Well, I don't have that and so my immune system is attacking itself.
Starting point is 00:56:16 And so the treatment recommendations for me are IVIG, but that's a really it's a really robust application process and it's expensive. And so that's where we are right now is trying to find the right specialists in British Columbia to apply for that treatment for me. but because of how progressive everything is now, I don't know what my new baseline is going to be. I don't know. I don't know if the vision damage is irreversible. I don't know if the tissue damage is irreversible.
Starting point is 00:56:47 If the neuropathy is irreversible, like those people that had early interventions at the NIH, it's not been reversible. It's been managed. Their pain level has been, you know, brought down to a, two instead of a four. You know, some days I'm at a seven or eight. Most days I'm 50 to 100 milligrams of gravel just because I'm so nauseous because there's
Starting point is 00:57:12 so many like gastral intestinal related issues. And there's a lot of literature. I'm not sure if you ever follow or listen to Dr. Sabine Hasen. She's a gastroenterologist. And she talks a lot about the microbiome of the stomach and of the gut. and her discussion is that she's done a lot of research on post-COVID injections and the she she had done stool testing on individuals before they received their first injection then she did stool testing after their first and then after their second and she's seen a radical reduction in the specific
Starting point is 00:57:50 bacteria that the immune system needs to I mean our immune system is in our gut you know it's and and so her literature is showing this radical reduction in this type of bacteria that we need this healthy bacteria. And I mean, my digestive system, well, obviously, I mean, if we look at the very nature that I need to see a gastroenterologist. And before we went on live, I'd explained that I'd had a contrast eye MRI in the fall or in the spring, sorry, when I was in the emergency room. And I had an allergic reaction and that's part of the mass cell response.
Starting point is 00:58:26 And so I had to have another contrast die last week because I had to have. I've been putting it off because I've been so unwell. And I was supposed to get a contrast I MRI and a contrast I CT scan of my abdomen. They need to take a closer look at my gallbladder and my liver. And I've been putting it off because I've been too unwell. My lungs have been compromised. And, you know, I was in the emergency room again on Christmas Eve. And I, unfortunately, they did all the protocols that they were supposed to to avoid an allergic reaction on 3rd.
Starting point is 00:59:00 Thursday passed. And I ended up back in the emergency room on Friday because unfortunately I still had a severe allergic reaction. Thankfully, not anaphylaxis. We got into the hospital before, but the doctor explained it as an entirely systemic like mass cell response again because my immune system is so compromised. And I'll tell you, to date, I've had four different primary care providers in Fort St. John. The one I have now is trying. She's trying. And I can see that many of them are conflicted and how how physicians in Canada can't
Starting point is 00:59:45 practice medicine is beyond me. You know, that's, I'd had, I'd interviewed with somebody else before and I said that I don't blame them in the conversation that that into podcaster had said is I do, you know, and we were trying to get out of country funding for the brain surgery. And I almost had a specialist here sign the out of country funding for me. And my partner and I were there with him and his comment was, I can't Michelle, because if I sign it, I will lose credibility with my colleagues. And to hear that from doctors who are supposed to be here to help us. is like what are you sacrificing, you know?
Starting point is 01:00:35 Like for me, if we come back to like public safety, I wouldn't be putting the best interest of the public in mind if I wasn't speaking publicly right now because that's my responsibility, right? Like if being responsible and doing the right thing, was vaccinating because that was supposed to protect the public. And I did that and here I am today. You know, and I can't serve in the role that I served before.
Starting point is 01:01:11 I wouldn't be doing my due diligence and being responsible if I wasn't explaining. And this isn't happened to everybody, but it's happened to many. And it's important to understand that it is real and it does exist and adverse reactions are present. And there was information that was omitted from the clinical trials. and there are people that can give their testimonies. And this is globally, you know, like this isn't just, this isn't isolated. We're censored. You know, we can't publicly talk about it.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Censorship in Canada is extraordinary. I mean, the United States is gaining traction, tremendous traction with the new shift in government and whether people agree with it or not, like, or who's, you know, stepping in for their new, like, health directives. But they are questioning, you know, vaccine. safety. And I'm not an anti-vaxxer. That's not what this is about. And I really, I really dislike that term because I feel like it's more about just being vaccine aware and being informed and having knowledge. And, you know, I'd had this, I'd made this comment before of that people can be, people can be
Starting point is 01:02:21 allergic to penicillin and you can say you're allergic to penicillin, you had allergic reaction. You can say you had an allergic reaction to peanut butter and no one's going to give you peanut butter again you can't have peanut butter in school but the second someone says they had an allergic reaction or an adverse reaction to a vaccine you're an anti-vaxxer i'm not i vaccinated you know i was fully i'm fully childhood vaccinated my children were vaccinated have we re-evaluated absolutely you know my children are not um have be vaccinated i did not feel like that risk outweighed the the benefit for my children um my daughter did not get the hpb vaccine and again Again, that's risk versus benefit.
Starting point is 01:03:01 And I wish that there was full disclosure with Pfizer's product insert when they rolled out those vaccines. And it was not disclosed. That information was not disclosed. So no, that was not an informed decision. And I'm here as a product of that omission. And many of us are. Yeah. I don't know if I got anything to ask.
Starting point is 01:03:33 be honest. I appreciate you sharing it with us. I mean, it's, it's just, it's heartbreaking, you know, like as a fellow Canadian. I, I, you know, like the state of Canada, you know, at times I walk up my front door and I think it isn't so bad, you know, and then I hear your story and I go, oh, it's pretty bad, right? And, you know, the fact we could be in 2025 and still have people not willing to sign off on getting you what you need is if nothing else shocking i i don't i don't know any other word to associate it with uh michel and by the sounds of it you've you've been all over the map trying to find solutions to these problems and everywhere you go the doors get closed if you even mention that it stems from a vaccine or if that's even put a thought into a doctor's head um from
Starting point is 01:04:35 from the Canadian standpoint, which is... In Canada, yes, you're right. Which is pretty wild to stay as well, because you think here, you know, how many years later are we? We're... Five years. Some people are coming up to five years injured when we get to the fall of 2020. Of 2020. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:55 And it is Canada because like I have like my neurologist in the States, the letter that he wrote because I came home and gave all. all the reports to my doctor here. And again, I reached out to him and I'm like, they won't apply for IVIG for me. And he's like, what is happening? And like, I mean, this gentleman is like highly credible. And he wrote a letter to my family doctor here. And like, there is no dismissing that what has happened to me is vaccine related.
Starting point is 01:05:27 And they're not afraid to say it. They're not in the United States, not all the doctors. But they are in Canada. and since September of 2024, I've had seven or eight, because there's a couple waiting at the medical clinic for me, seven or eight rejection letters from specialists in British Columbia, that they just, they see me and they say it's not in your scope.
Starting point is 01:05:51 What can, forgive me, just a simple podcaster on this side, but like I hear the story and I go, I mean, obviously having you on the show is helping, but I'm like to the audience that listens to this or even myself, is there anything we can do to help? You know, like I think your story is just, it's heartbreaking and it's not the first I've heard that is, I don't know, similar to this. I mean, but I'm like, I don't know, is there anything we can do to help? I think that, I mean, somehow help me get care. You know, I've, I've, I, I, I, I think that it's, I think it's important to know you having a platform like this for me to share my story is important.
Starting point is 01:06:41 Because what I'm seeing in Canada and what I'm witnessing in Canada is there are far too many vaccine injured that are choosing the maid program, Sean. And it's terrifying. And so what I need people to understand is it's not hopeless that there are physicians out there. There are answers. There are actual diagnostic tools. like you aren't you aren't full of shit like that's the hard part is that this term functional neurological disorder is being thrown out by so many neurologists and so many internal medicineists and what that essentially means is it's all in your head and when you when you aren't like thank goodness i have the research background that i have in the 20 years of health
Starting point is 01:07:24 care but what about the people that don't and i think that me having an opportunity to share my story gives a reality of what many are facing. And there are a lot of people that are walking through this alone. Like I have had so many relationships fractured in every capacity. Thankfully, my core is tight. The support that I've received from the vaccine injured is extraordinary, primarily that of which is React 19 because I connected with Brian. Brian is in Utah. And that is where I able to connect with her and so I reached out to her and I mean I put in the I put it in the sweat equity I have like three or four binders full of research you name it like I mean I researched everything to figure of what was going on and I ended up finding the right specialists to help me now it's a
Starting point is 01:08:18 matter of not paying $10,000 a month for IVIG because that's how much it costs so I can't physically pay for that and what we've exhausted it's a matter of getting it approved if that's not the case, I am approved for stem cell therapy in Panama. Is that the answer? Hard to say, you know, but it's something that I might have to consider, but how do I come up with that too, right? But most of it is for, I really just want people to know that they're not alone and that there are answers and there are doctors that can help. Well, and I'd be remiss, you know, if I didn't mention it again on, on air, I don't know what happens with the actual interview. but certainly what Scott Marsland and Pierre Corrie are talking about.
Starting point is 01:09:05 You were mentioning that, yes. Well, the reason I bring it up is it's like where they're getting their product is at a BC. And that shocked me. I was like, what? And so for the audience, it's going through some, the interview I did with Scott Marsland is going through some, I don't know, pre-approval. I don't know. They're worried about going to jail for what they're sharing, right? And so... Like most doctors that are trying to help. And so the audience will recall Scott Marzlin coming on here twice, I believe, last year. So his name shouldn't shock anyone. What they're doing now is something different. It's cheap. It's accessible on and on and on and on. It's kind of in the same realm of ivermectin, I guess, right? Like, ivermectin is a cheap drug,
Starting point is 01:09:59 but here in Canada at times that doesn't matter because they're like, nope, you can't have that. So, you know, what are people to resort to? Taking the animal version of it. And the times we live in here in Canada are so just strange, right? Like I just, I don't even, you know, so I have an interview with something that comes from BC that possibly could help a lot of people. But the fear is that by talking about it, just by talking about it, that that could cause implications and um you know if i pointed out one other thing the last time i had scott on is uh pretty
Starting point is 01:10:40 much roughly the time that my uh website got uh commandeered by chinese gambling website and i've never been able to get that back people can begin to to piece one and one together or two and two together and so um there are good people out there working on this problem like night and day and um my My hope is that somebody listening knows of somebody and we can, you know, that's what this network is done. It is. It's tried to piece together different solutions and try and find some actionable items. I mean, when I listen to you and the stuff you've been doing, I'm like, this woman has been through the gauntlet and then some. What I started most recently, Sean, is so much of my efforts, we're so hyper-focused on, like, finding care.
Starting point is 01:11:32 healthcare that I reached out to Brian and I was discussing not having like that we didn't have a similar organization in Canada. And so React 19 actually to date where their vaccine support program in the US has not kicked in React 19 has provided Americans with over a million dollars worth of medical. And we have nothing and we have nothing like that in Canada? I'm working on it. You're working on it. I'm working on it. So Can rise 19. is the organization that I have started and I'm working right now to get it established as a nonprofit. The mission statement and the language surrounding it, of course,
Starting point is 01:12:15 could be difficult because in Canada, anything affiliated. They're going to call you a bunch of explicitives for doing that. Correct. Then let's put it out to the audience this way. I assume you would appreciate some help on helping get that through and starting a nonprofit, I assume? Yes. Yes, well, because what we're wanting is we're starting with support groups.
Starting point is 01:12:36 So right now, emails are launched, socials are launched, websites in the working, like in the process. Once we can get established as a nonprofit, then we'll be looking at a crowd funding aspect and looking at funding. Because our long-term goal would be to create a care fund similar to that of React 19. because I don't want people like myself that are injured and that are suffering to have to go bankrupt to live in Canada. Or to take maid. 100%. Yes. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:13:11 That's exactly right. Like, we won't help you, but we'll offer you made. We'll offer you a way out. It's like, you can't make this stuff up. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't.
Starting point is 01:13:21 And I mean, there's two other women that have class actions. Well, one's a way. class action in Alberta and one is a lawsuit against Moderna in Ontario. And the one in Ontario has been offered the made program multiple times. She's in a wheelchair. The woman that's in Alberta is Bell's palsy. And so for me, that's not a...
Starting point is 01:13:44 Sorry, do you know the names of the ladies offhand? Yeah, of course, yeah. Carrie Sagamoto, I believe is in... And Kayla Pollack is in Ontario. And so the only thing that I could see in amongst having the experience I've had and going through what I'm going through. And even despite the pain that I'm in is trying to figure out how to use this for good. I have to do something. And so that's where Can Rise 19 is coming from.
Starting point is 01:14:15 And so it's myself and another injured. She's only 27. She's in Ontario. And so she's helping me. She's been facilitating support groups for React 19, even though she's. She's Canadian because we just don't have this type of organization in Canada. And so her and I are now taking intake via email. So Michelle.worton at Canrise 19.
Starting point is 01:14:38 People can email me or info at canrise19.com. And we'll put them on the list so that they can get enrolled for support groups. And that's what we'll start. And like I said, long term, we're hoping that we'll be able to establish a care fund. And the support groups are, there's discretion and it's confidential and you're going to be expected to sign a confidentiality form because I'm part of one right now through React 19 and it's sensitive and it's teams meetings for eight weeks and some people like some people don't turn their cameras on and some people don't talk
Starting point is 01:15:15 and some people just cry and some people just have found us for the first time and I've felt the loan for four years. And if what we're seeing in Canada, like I'm not kidding, Sean, the conversations that I've had with people so far. And I just started up Canterized socials, like, I think maybe the last week, maybe the first week of November. I've had conversations with people in British Columbia that they're giving themselves two months.
Starting point is 01:15:39 And if not, they're applying for the made program. How do you have that conversation? And my conversation with them is, please don't give up, email me. Yeah. We're coming for you. Like, if all you know is that there's someone like me who's hurting like you, don't choose to die. Like, is that the Canada that we like, that's not Canada. Come on. Like, we're so far from the Canada. Like, I don't want to believe that it's we're, we're, I don't want to believe we can't reconcile that, right? Like, I mean, but for, but I've had those conversations. Sean, where they're given themselves two months. And I'm like, okay, try this website. See if you can,
Starting point is 01:16:27 and I'll be very clear. Canterize 19 is not here to provide medical advice. We're here to provide resources, support, literature, avenues to explore. You do your own research. You contact who you would want to contact. I'm not here for that. I'm not your physician. I'm not your doctor. But there are, there are physicians in the united states we we are hoping that we can come up with a physician list in canada that will help because then patients aren't going to have to be paying you know international currency and whatnot but if what they know as of right now is that there are you know and react 19 does have a have a physician list that if you email their website um you can fill out a form and they can have a one-on-one conversation with you and connect you with you
Starting point is 01:17:19 physicians in the U.S. and because of the censorship in Canada and the physicians not being able to publicly discuss even the reality of vaccine injured, people are choosing the maid. So we are in early stages, like I said, myself and Julie Woods is the other co-founder, and I'm very grateful because it's not a task that can be taken on individually. Her and I are both significantly disabled. I'm disabled. you know, I spend the majority of my days at home. I cannot get sick. My children are in sports.
Starting point is 01:17:56 I have no immune system. I am usually done by one o'clock in the afternoon. You know, I'm going to hop off here and I'm going to go hook myself off to my oxygen tank for an hour and a half. I'm going to have a nap and take some gravel, you know. And this was a woman that used to put in 60-hour work weeks and manage a business and public speak and mentor other practitioners and coach your kids and soft. and climb mountains. But instead, this is my new reality. And people need to know that you're just, you're not alone. You're not alone. Thank you for coming on and doing this. If people need to,
Starting point is 01:18:40 or want to help or get a hold of you or vice versa, you know, not vice versa, any of those things. The other thing they can do is they can text me My numbers down the show notes And I can direct you to the right spot If there's you know in the future Michelle if there's anything we can do on this side You just reach out and let me know please I would Love to give you a voice again
Starting point is 01:19:06 As you continue down this path Either way Thanks for hopping on and doing this I don't know if I can offer much more than that. No, honestly, like giving and allowing a platform to, to share my story and to, to reach, reach a larger audience simply for the fact that they know that there are, there, there, there may be solutions and they're not alone and that the reality of what many of us
Starting point is 01:19:36 face is more, more real than most realize. Um, I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. again. Yeah, of course.

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