Shaun Newman Podcast - #790 - Julius Ruechel

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

Julius Ruechel is an independent writer, analyst, and author known for his work across various topics, including agriculture, science, democracy, and geopolitics. He has gained recognition for his detailed essays and analyses, often published on platforms like Substack and his personal website, juliusruechel.com. Ruechel is also the author of books such as Grass-Fed Cattle and Autopsy of a Pandemic. We discuss the conversation around Canada becoming the 51st state, Trump’s tariffs and the challenge of changing the direction of Canada. Cornerstone Forum ‘25 https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/ Contribute to the new SNP Studio E-transfer here: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Silver Gold Bull Links: Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone]

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I'm talking about Julius Ruchel. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Julius Ruchel. So, sir, thanks for hopping on. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Yeah, well, I tell you, there's a lot of crossovers between my audience and I assume Trish Wood.

and that's where all the calls for having Julius came on. And whenever that starts happening on the text line where this name keeps reappearing, I'm like, obviously I need to go listen to that episode. And then I'm like, I should probably just bring them on on this side. So shout out to Trish Wood for being who she is and continue to have great content because I listened to your guys' chat and I thought it was great. And I wanted to bring you on this side. But for those who don't listen to Trish Wood, among other things,

Let's start with just a little bit your background and your story. Don't feel like you have to rush it by any stretch, but let people on this side know a little bit about who Julius is. Sure. Yeah. I came into this, you know, doing agricultural writing. I had an agricultural website coming from a farming background, doing grass-fed cattle and whatnot. And then during COVID, I started digging into the data and started writing about some of the craziness that was going on as the policies went into ever greater madness. And so that's kind of how I started writing about, you know, politics and history and things that I never imagined I'd be writing about.

So, yeah, that's pretty much how I got here. Well, it's funny, though. I, you know, walking, it isn't that funny, you know, like, it doesn't shock me. You know, I was in the COVID, I was talking mainly athletes, mainly sports, right? And somewhere in the middle of it, I just went like, are we going to get out of? of this already? Like, or this is going to be life. We're never going back. I'm going to walk down the street on a sunny day having to wear a mask. That's what we're going to do. Okay. This makes no sense. And so, you know, obviously this is shifted. And it's, it's why, you know, like, I was

just thinking about it this morning. Uh, you know, I was, I was writing it out. I'm like, I got to, I got to put a full stop on where I thought I was going with certain things because we got to talk about, uh, what's going on today, you know, what's going on right now. And that's, that's this, this you know like for the longest time have americans canadians had their disagreements oh yeah for sure right and and when it comes to fun things like uh you know for me hockey and in the olympics and and you know this four nations cup coming up and different things like that it's it's fun to root against the americans and have a little back and forth but this is something different this feels completely different uh watching canadians boo the national anthem of the americans i'm like

pardon the french folks but are you fucking kidding me like let's let's let's figure this out. Let's get informed on what's actually going on here. And I know I'm speaking to the, you know, the converted. My audience isn't the ones booing or I don't think they are. But we got to figure this out. So Julius, you know, you've written articles on this. What are your thoughts on, on where we're sitting at today between Canada and the United States? And what is your research brought up? You know, I guess one of the things that I've been looking at, with the way our system is structured, is that I don't see an easy way to reform this anymore.

I can see how ideally we would have a separate independent freedom-loving republic here in Canada that provides all the proper protections that we need for our rights. But at the same time that, you know, there's a, having two separate republics side by side is the ideal scenario where if one goes off the rails, the other one kind of provides an example

and an outlet. I mean, we've been doing that for the Americans during the Vietnam War. The Americans did that for us during the Trudeau senior era. So, I mean, in the ideal world, we'd reform ourselves. But, I mean, there's been 157 years of attempts to try to fix this, and we're not getting anywhere. And I mean, just the whole tariff thing now is a perfect example where there are very serious and obvious problems in this country. And not even the easy ones are being addressed. Instead, you know, turn around and start a tariff war.

And so there's a point where it's like, well, you know, shouldn't we actually be starting to think about, you know, what are the terms of Donald Trump's offer here to actually consider the 51st state idea or some version of it? Because this is like we're stuck here in a situation where, you know, we have no way out of this. I mean, when you watch the way that our leaders now are like you addressed at the beginning, that the way that they're stoking hate, like how do you, how do you even fix something where there's, this easy potential for them to just turn people against all the common sense solutions, against their own fellow citizens, against their neighbors. I don't see a way out of this. Well, wouldn't the easiest way out be an election? Like, I don't know, getting rid of the prerogation of government.

In we go, we have an election, and we can get a new person in that isn't wearing fancy socks, probably wearing some sort of socks, but probably not fancy. And that probably won't be, you know, the, the, the culmination. of nine years is the socks he's wearing. Wouldn't that be the quickest way? But right now, you know, like when I look at it, I use a lawsuit on the books to try and get rid of prerogation. But we just had the lawyer on here.

And, you know, like the hope is that things move quickly. The fear is it doesn't move quickly because nothing in Canada moves quickly. And then you had Brian Lilly come out. And, you know, I had somebody on my side say, oh, it could be 2026 before we have an election. And I was like, I don't see how that's possible. And then things move so rapidly. And sometimes you're just staring, you know, you're looking left when you should be looking right. And now they've, they've kind of outlined how we could get to a 2026 election.

And I'm like, like, there's a lot going on here. I don't know. I just feel like the quickest way to get to where we have options is an election. Am I wrong? Am I wrong in that on your train of thought? Well, I mean, I think, you know, you do get rid of the current. madness, but after seeing what's been going on here over the last, you know, throughout the Trudeau years and especially during COVID, one of the issues is that you're only ever one election away from being right back where we started, where the people in power have so much power over the rest of us that we have no way to actually stop when there's a tyrant that comes into power. And so like this, this requires more than just, you know, voting for the next good leader. It's it actually requires something deeper to actually put limits. on power in this country. And so I think that's one of the sticking points is how do you actually

get to the constitutional reforms that are required to stop this, right? And you think the fastest way is become 51st state? I mean, like the 51st to 59th, or whatever. Yeah, at least 10. Yeah. In your mind, that's the quickest way, not reform in our own country? Well, I mean, here's a couple of the other issues. I mean, the way that our system is structured, It is essentially designed to insulate the ruling class from a bottom-up renewal, bottom-up reform. So you basically have to ask everyone that's in power that wants the status quo as it is to give you the changes that you're looking for. And I mean, what Trudeau has done is basically baked in everything. You've got 90 out of 105 senators that are serving until age 75 that are appointed by Trudeau.

and I think he has another 10 to go here, even while he's on his way out the door, that he's going to be appointing. So that ideology is baked right into the system. Julius, slow down for me. I don't know why my numbers skipped over me. How many out of the, how many has Trudeau have on the liberal side of the world?

He's appointed 90 out of 105 and has another 10 to go. 90% in our Canadian Senate. Are Trudeau appointed. I'm just going to hold on this point for one second. I just want to make sure I'm getting that correct. Yep. And there's no way to get rid of them either, right? This isn't the American system where you can vote them out.

They're there until age 75. So just a second. I have to ask a question on this. Because I don't know if I knew that stat. Obviously, I didn't. How is it that 90 came up over the course of the last nine years? How is that possible? How doesn't Stephen Harper have, if that's a case 35 sitting in there, that still have term?

Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know the details on that one. But the other thing to blow your mind a second time, seven of the nine Supreme Court justices are also Trudeau appointed. I knew the seven of the nine. I knew that part. The 90 of the 105, that number seems almost hard to comprehend. Yeah, I had to look it up like four times on the internet when I first saw it. I was just like this, this isn't possible.

So 90 just, I'm going to hold on this point, folks, sorry, for just a couple of minutes here. Since 2015 till 2025, he has appointed 90 Senate members. Yeah. I mean, this is where you see how deeply this belief system that is baked into our system. And it's kind of funny because, you know, there was that interview between Jordan Peterson and Pierre Pueleev, right? And Peterson brought this up. They said, like, how do we pass legislation with this kind of stacking in the Senate? And Pueleev said, well, you need to start pressuring your senator.

It's like Canadians need to get involved. But there's a major problem with that, which is this isn't the American system. How do you pressure someone that is not accountable to you? I mean... And, Julius, we both went through COVID where we talked to our MLAs. We talked to our MPs. I think people on this side of the fence have done their fair share of emailing, calling. What happens when they just turn their phone off, unhook it from the wall, and don't listen to what you're saying.

Well, then we have COVID. We have everything that happened during that time. So when a politician says, oh, you just get involved, it's like, no, we need better for media, which we are seeing, right? Like I think of some of the things that have happened through COVID, like the rise of different people like Trishwood, actually, where, and Trishwood was. on different things before that. But certainly things like that, we're seeing that. That's a big change from the beginning of COVID to where we are now. That's a huge change.

But 905, that's a, I don't know, that's hard to put back in the box once you hear that stat. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the whole system is designed, is, and I mean, look at the fact that how in the United States, if you are found innocent in a court of law, that's the end of it, right? You're done. You're free. Whereas in Canada, you get to. reappeal and reappeal and reappeal, or like the government does.

So you're never completely done, right? So the whole system is designed so that if the government wants to push something through, it can do this. I mean, we see this even with this prerogation. I mean, the simple scenario is that, you know, Trudeau was planning to resign and he did just before Trump comes into office. But I mean, he's been needing to leave for an awful long time. But the perfect scenario for the liberals to have a complete free hand and how to deal with what's going on here now with the tariff wars, turn it to their advantage is to hold that off so that he was proroging his parliament just before the the tariff war was start you know everybody's going well how can we deal with this with the

without a parliament well this is the ideal scenario if you want to make big changes to the country and not have parliamentary oversight this is a dream come true for the for the liberal party right so it's like there's one tool after another where anytime you try to reform something Walk me through that sentence, Julius. When you say this is a dream come through for the liberals, walk me through what you mean with that. Which means that all the things that they're imposing right now are not being debated in parliament. So our elected MPs for all of our districts, like any conservative district, has absolutely no voice in this. It's Trudeau's inner circle making decisions through the privy council and whatever else, however that's all structured, that are deciding for the.

rest of Canada how we're dealing with this tariff for. And when they make a decision, there is no debate about whether this is right or wrong and to provide transparency and accountability on the floor of the house. So when they say we're going to hit them back, dollar for dollar, 25% tariffs, fine. We're going to do that. What you're pointing out is normally there'd be debate on such a thing in our parliament, but by it being prorogued, by the fact that nobody's there, they don't have to worry about the other side. They can just move ahead. And we're going to, we're going to deal with this, folks.

And team can the first approach to boot. That's what you're talking about. Exactly. Yeah, it's, I mean, we're making the most fundamental decisions in our country where and we don't even have a parliament to provide an ounce of transparency

to any of it. Like this is, I mean, this is the way the Canadian system is built, like by design way back in 1867. is to essentially have a quasi-dictatorship in power. And I mean, the idea of that was that they were terribly suspicious of this American experiment going on south of the border where the people actually have a voice and a way to put or hold government to the limits that are in the Constitution, whereas our system is just not intended to be that way.

I mean, another quick example is back in 1982 when Trudeau Sr. brought the Constitution home to Canada, the Quebec, the province of Quebec did not sign on to this new constitution. They said, no, we're not okay with these terms. And the Supreme Court judge ruled on this and said that they are nevertheless accountable to this constitution that they never ratified. So I mean, the bulldozer just goes right over top. This is, I mean, this is where I, why I'm so incredibly.

frustrated in any idea of trying to reform this system. I'd love to reform it. I just don't see a way in, a way to tackle it. Well, you're talking about when I, I don't know, and once again, you can, you can poke holes in the way my brain works, but what I think I'm hearing from you is like, there is a way to reform, folks. It's going to take probably more than a decade. It's going to take, it's going to take an insane amount of people, all getting in government,

then all doing the right thing and not being influenced by any of the lobbyists, any of the big money, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then the culmination of whatever that is doing the right things. And how many years down the road is that a lot? Like that isn't next year. That's that's what. And one of the things I heard, you know, I was, I heard Trish talk about it briefly on, when she had you on. because my ears caught it too.

When Peterson interviewed Pollyev, you know, he asked, what are you going to do in the first? I can't remember how he said it. Was it 100 days, folks? Was it 90 days? Doesn't matter. He was just like, what are you going to do right at the start? He said, well, I got to get rid of the carbon tax.

But then he didn't say anything else. He didn't talk about it. I'm like, that's the next prime minister of Canada. Shouldn't he be coming in? But once again, our government isn't the same as the United States. So maybe he could do more, maybe he could do less. I don't know. But it's interesting the fact that we're sitting here going like, I don't know, actually,

I'll put it to you this way, Julius, or I'll ask this question. Were you always a big follower of Canadian politics? Like, has this been in your blood since you were five years old? No, not at all. I mean, you know, even during the Harper years, I was just like, well, it seems to be running. I don't even follow the news that closely. I'm not really that interested. And I did do a fair bit of reading.

Like I've been, as far as, you know, history, the founding fathers, our own, like, I loved reading about Canadian history, the railroads and the gold rush and all this kind of stuff. But as far as following the current politics, not so much. I was definitely, like, you know, more libertarian leaning, a big fan of Ron Paul's. But, you know, not, not, like, I mean, this is the thing is that we see on television every single day what happens in the United States. It's this wonderful, you know, theater that's going on. but we don't actually know very much about our own stuff. It kind of seems a little bit boring. And so we don't actually, you know,

understand how our system works and why it's so incredibly different. It's that COVID experience more than anything that, like when you start digging into like, how do I stop something that's completely off the rails and finding out they just have no tools by design? The Americans are ignoring some of their tools, but they have them in the Constitution if they just, you know, dust it off once in a while.

But ours literally requires a complete overhaul right back to the roots of our country in order to bring those limits into law. Did you ever think, I'm assuming something. So maybe I should ask this first. You've been Canada all your life? It's not like you just showed up two days ago? No, no, my parents immigrated here, but I've grown up here all my life. Okay, but I'm the same way. Not my parents, but you've got to go further back in the Newman.

history, but I've been born and raised here all my life. Did you ever think you'd be having a conversation or be on the trajectory of maybe joining the States is a good thing? Yeah, I mean, this was, I never, ever thought that I would ever be in that position. I mean, I actually went to university in Alaska, like from my geology education and had an offer there to stay in and work in the United States. I could have become an American. I had no interest. I mean, this is home and this is where I wanted to be. And really, it was only when Trump started talking about the annexation thing. When I first heard it, I kind of laughing to myself, said, yeah, well, at least that would give us the constitution that we need. And then when I was thinking about it longer, I was like, wait a minute.

Like, this is a plausible way out because every, like, how many, I don't have a lifetime left to wait for the reforms to come. And I don't think Canada has a lifetime left neither at the rate that it's unraveling. It's like, well, you know, let's think this through a little more seriously. So, okay. Then then here, here's my thought, well, not my thought. I don't know, my misgivings about the 51st state. Now, like, I always think we want to change everything to be to have the biggest war machine,

the CIA, the deep state. of the Bidens, the Obamas, on and on and on. We want to get a part of that. And now the pushback is, well, you don't think we have the deep state here? I'm like, no, for sure we do. I just think of we have 40 million. And I go like, you enter into a country where it's 10 times the population. The problem is going to be 10 times harder to solve.

Am I, but maybe I'm completely wrong in my thinking. And the fact that we're even having this conversation, I've sat and deliberated this for a long time of like, do I want to enter into this further? But like I'm watching what's happening. And the fact that Trudeau doesn't want to fix this problem. Like he doesn't. This is actually lending well into what he wants to do. And I guess, Julius, I'm curious.

Like am I, you know, I'm sure you've went, oh man, now we're going to have the CIA, the FBI, right? All these things. But when I take a step back from that, I don't. also go we're part of the five eyes and from my readings on you know project paperclip chaos all these different uh thing all these different books that take a real extent or a large lens of overview of the united states it's like well when they get into hot water with their country they send them to other places and have our agencies monitor them because now it's not them right so I'm like, I don't know, my brain hurts a little bit when I start to try and unravel not being Canada first, always have been.

But it's funny, as time goes on, I'm becoming more Alberta first, because if Alberta's destroyed, what has Canada actually got going on? You know, it's kind of why it's Quebec first. And maybe we need to really start to put some things in place here that have been almost ingrained in us since we're knee high. And that's where we're at with this conversation. Your thoughts. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I think there's two layers to it. And don't let me forget to talk about the CIA reform. But I think the very first step in this is to say, like,

I'm watching my local community slowly getting crushed. I mean, you know, I'm not that far from Colonna. You drive through Colonna, and it's just like there's that huge homeless camp, like right down the center of the downtown court. Like, it is just a monstrosity. You know, this is our neighbors that are ending up there, you know, like this is just completely falling apart. You have the young kids starting to think about trying to leave Canada all of, you know, I'm seeing all sorts of businesses collapsing. Like this is just, you know, then there's the drugs and the crime coming in.

Like this is a major problem. And we don't have the tools to fight back on all of us. So this is where it's like, well, you know, who is my loyalty for? My loyalty is towards my community first and foremost. The flag is just a flag. And if the flag is actually the thing that is wrecking my community, then I'm going to choose my community over that flag. So, I mean, if you look at South Dakota, it's the perfect example during COVID, where the local government was able to put a stop to the kind of mandated tyranny that was coming from the top.

And they managed to pull through it as an exception to the entire, exception to the world, kind of like Sweden and South Dakota. We're standing when nobody else was standing up. Right. So that kind of system doesn't actually function in Canada. Like you don't have that degree of latitude that the states have to actually walk their own path. Like the federal government in the United States has a huge amount of power on the foreign policy. But they actually have way less power to impose stuff on a local level. Like this is where, you know, one of the big differences between the province and the state is that the,

This like the government in the United States was designed from the bottom up where that there was supposed to be a thin layer of government at the very top And most of the decision making is happening at the state level whereas in Canada it's the reverse where Canada was planned and built from the federal government down and I mean if you look at what happened during the Louis real rebellion There was a huge battle even to get a seat in parliament when they first when they first set up Manitoga as a new province right so So that constitution works for local government, for you to be able to manage your system much, much better than what we can end up on a local level in Canada. But I mean, this is where if you actually lean into the 51st state and say, okay, well, let's do this. To me, this is the perfect opportunity to say, okay, we've got a lot of leverage.

There's a lot you guys want from us. bring in some reforms to rein back what is going on with CIA and Deep State and all this. You can watch what Trump and Elon are doing right now to try to root out the corruption. But if you don't actually make constitutional changes to dismantle some of this stuff, it'll be back within one or two administrations, whether it's under Republican or Democrat. So this is an opportunity to actually rein in the beast that's right on our doorstep. One of the things that I've been looking at is the Senate reform in the United States, the original Senate was not actually voted for by the people in each state.

It was appointed by the state legislature, and they could recall them, they could tell them how to vote. And so what that did is that when the federal government decided to create a law that started ebbing or gobbling away into the authority that was granted to the states, all they had to do is tell their senator, don't let this be, the federal government. this piece of legislation passed, and if you don't vote against it, we'll fire you. Well, it made sure that the states basically had the federal government on a leash, and it wasn't until 1913 under Woodrow Wilson that they got rid of that

and made senators electable by the people themselves. So what happened is that the states lost their leash, and that's when this massive rollout into all these massive institutions happened. Woodrow Wilson specifically and intentionally did that in order to allow him to build out his dream of this masterful government. So in order to fix that, you need to simply bring that, take the 17th Amendment out of the constitution and you're back to a state-run government with the federal government being on the leash of the states, not the other way around.

I can't believe I'm having a conversation about 51st state. I literally argued about this when it first came out, Julius, I'm like, it's a terrible idea. I want smaller, like everything you just said about. community. I'm like, I want more autonomy. I want, I want Alberta to have as much power as they can physically have, but be accountable to us. And I can hear female yelling at me. Yeah, that'll happen under the 51st state, you moron. And I'm like, yeah, maybe, right? Like, maybe. What's, what's interesting is that I think it was Peter Zeehan, one of the big geopolitical

analyst. He actually wrote that was even 10 years ago that if Alberta joined the United States, it would not just be one of the richest. It would be the richest state in the union. Yeah, but we could be our own country and be the richest country, right? Like, I mean, and then you wouldn't have the. And this is like this is where, you know, international law, like this whole rules based order, we, we think we have all this, this, this freedom. It is completely, like it falls apart once you understand how the United States has their Monroe Doctrine. It goes back to 1823 where they said no other foreign power has, gets a toehold on this continent. And we will do anything and everything it takes to make sure that our national interests, like the American national interests are put first.

I mean, this is where they started the Mexican-American War. This is, you know, this comes down to Cuba getting embargoed. So if we think that we can just operate outside of their realm, it doesn't work that way. I mean, look at this whole issue with the pipelines going to the BC coast. Well, we need to diversify. Do you remember that documentary that came out in 2019 called Over a Barrel from Vivian. Over a Barrel. Yeah.

And she documented how it's all of these environmental organizations that are funded from the United States that are blocking any kind of pipeline development. But at the time, I remember thinking, well, it's the U.S. oil companies that are now becoming net exporters, and they don't need our oil, so they're shutting down the Canadian oil from getting on the markets. But now I don't think that's actually the case. I think when you see how all of these organizations are extensions of deep state, how do you stop Canada from having, you know, selling oil to a direct geopolitical rival. China, well, the easiest way, if you don't want to be a bully in park, a great big giant carrier group off of the BC coast, is to fund these environmental groups. And so you just basically tie the whole thing up in so many knots that it strangles itself. And the only place we ship our oil is the United States. Yeah, exactly. And I think that this is, we are, thanks to the 1970s oil crisis, we are viewed as their backup energy reserve.

so that if there's ever a major crisis in the rest of the world, there's no risk of North America ever running out of oil at the pumps. So as long as they have our oil underneath their umbrella, we are basically, their security guarantee that no matter what happens, there's still enough oil to keep the planes running in a war, there's still, the economy doesn't grind to a halt. So whereas as soon as we start selling large amounts of our oil to a foreign competitor, we start, they don't have that same smooth ability to just turn off the taps.

Our oil still makes it to China, even if it goes through an American pipeline, right? Like there's 450,000 kilometers of pipeline to the United States. Our oil, after it's refined, can still be shipped to China. But as it is, if they ever need to, they can turn it off without having a gigantic diplomatic war with us, without risking a bunch of Chinese state-owned companies establishing a base in Canada, which is what's been happening already, right? This landlocked, well, I'm just going back to this landlocked thing. I'm like, in today's day and age, okay, so we ship our oil, the same thing continues to happen.

But you cut out sending all the money to the American government. Here's the thing, is that if you are a landlocked Alberta, you've now lost your voice in parliament in Ottawa. We have no voice in parliament. I know, hear me out though. I agree with you. But now you have nothing in Ottawa to stop when Ottawa decides to start pulling all these stunts with environmental regulations and BC, you know, tanker bands. And like there's a million ways that they have been, you know, throttling Alberta oil from getting to the coast. It's been a nightmare. But Alberta has at least had a venue for, you know, Danielle Smith to at least go to Ottawa and have a discussion with us.

She's a member of, she's one of the premiers. The moment that you're a separate country, you don't even have any kind of seat in that decision-making process. So now all you need to do is have a hostile Biden administration come in down the road and decide they want to shut off the pipelines to Alberta and you're done. Whereas again through the way that the constitution is structured in the United States, if you're a full state, there's a lot less that a president can do, like because it's no longer. foreign policy. Now it's actually state authority that he's trampling on when he starts making those kinds of decisions. So you have a lot better ability to defend yourself as Alberta if you

have a voice in Congress and full state rights. I would say as in theory, a president of a small country, a very wealthy country, I might add, because that's exactly what Alberta would be. We don't have a voice out in Ottawa. We have we have the, the, appearance of a voice. We don't. I mean, it's, I mean, anybody to the West already knows that.

I mean, what Daniel Smith has been doing in, is been going, or basically, going rogue, and I put Rogan, you know, she has to,

because, like, what's happening here in Canada is insane. And so, although, we, we have the appearance of a voice, we actually don't have a voice.

It's kind of this song and dance that Canada plays. When they need us, they put us on Team Canada. When they don't, they forget us in, in all the spin. Like, I mean,

I just go back to when Trudeau, what year was that? Where he, he forgot to even mention Alberta in his, his speech, you know? And so, like,

in one breath, I understand what you're saying. And another, I'm like, I, I just look at it and I go, we have no voice. We have the appearance of a voice.

Although you get a whole bunch of things, but, you know, and you're worried about, you know, the United States having a government come in and then shut it down. Yeah, there's, but there's the, the problem, I don't know, I guess a guy should really do more research. And maybe this is the opening of the talk of going down this 51st state or independence or a bunch of different things.

And I come back to Martin Armstrong and every time he's been on the show, he talks about 2032 and Canada breaking up. And I'm like, how does it get there? and I'm like, it's funny. I just had them on, folks. And I'm like, I'm not saying Alberta leaves. I'm not saying Canada breaks up. But the fact that Julius is on and we're having this discussion, I'm like, huh, it's funny because we're sitting here watching our government.

And so you start to dig more into the government. The more you dig into the government, the more frustrated you become because it's like, let's just, let's just haul these people out and have an election. Like, I don't understand why we're all sitting here going, there's nothing to do, except, you know, then we start booing national anthems. I'm like, oh, man, this is a big problem. And Canadians don't get it. And heck, maybe I don't get it.

Yeah, I mean, it's, I can distinctly remember how after the convoy, people were being arrested for flying the flag. And here and now, they're waving that same flag in our face is going, and get on board, you need to be team Canada. Well, it's interesting. Pierre Pollyev's latest, well, I think it's his latest. I, you know, forgive me, folks. The one I just saw, he's standing in front of all these.

Canadian flags. Like, where is that all the time? Why doesn't that happen every single time he makes an address? Why is it now okay to stand in front of the Canadian flag? Because it was only a couple years ago, if you flew the Canadian flag, you were seen as a dissident, right? Like, they really, and, you know, it was another co-host on the mashup, too, he pointed out, you know, like, how far do you got to drive in our country right now to see a Canadian flag to actually see one flying proudly. No, I'm sure there's a ton of listeners who fly him proudly. But it's not actually an interesting question. You act like where is a Canadian flag? We used to have one at one of the gas stations, Lloyd of was this giant Canadian flag.

It's not there anymore. Yeah. I actually, you know, like I'm surprised it isn't a giant pride flag at this point. Yeah. Well, you know, during that interview between Pualeev and Jordan Peterson, there's one point where fairly early on. I remember writing about it. I think it was around the 23 minute mark. People want to look it up. But he says to Peterson, you know, the Canadian system of government, the parliamentary system is the best system of government in the history of the world. Not the best government, but the best system of government. I thought like this, no, like, we don't have anything to stop this kind of tyranny in that system. Like, you should be talking reforms here. Like, putting a different dictator on top of this system doesn't make anybody happy.

And I mean, in reality, even if we get the dream government that's doing everything that we wanted to do, it means that somebody that is being trampled by that system has no voice to stop it. So all of a sudden, they're in the same position that we are. And that's not okay either way. I think this, you know, brings us back to this Alberta situation. After Quebec wanted to leave, they actually made what is called the Clarity Act, right, so that there's a clear, a clear, quote unquote, set of rules as to how to leave. But when you start digging into how that Clarity Act is structured, it's not so simple, right? Again, everything is designed so that nothing happens unless the guy isn't at the top wanted to happen.

One of the issues is that you have your referendum. That does not mean you leave. That means you start negotiations with the rest of Canada. You have to get all the other provinces and the federal system to all sign off on you leaving. And trust me, just be, when Quebec didn't want to ratify the US, or the Canadian constitution in 1982, all of a sudden it didn't matter that Quebec hadn't ratified it. It applies. But it's going to be exactly the opposite, where if one of the provinces is not happy with Alberta leaving,

I can guarantee you that there'll be a judge there to make sure that you're not leaving. Then you've got all the federal lands, all the parks, everything like that is federal land. It's not Alberta. And the same thing with all of the native reservations. That's all federal lands. So what you're actually trying to remove from the country is a checkerboard. It's not Alberta, right? So now you are having to negotiate with the federal government on how to get this thing out.

And I mean, this is the same deal that deal that was happening with the with the the the referendums in in quebec where the whole thing then turns into glue and they stretch it out stretch it out so that people start to get frustrated and walk away from it right so that that basically kills it i mean i don't know if you like are you do you remember when they did the the meech lake accords and the the charlottown accords in the late 80s and early 90s this was intended to be a big uh con i would have been knee high Okay, so this was a big effort to make, you know, small changes to the Constitution. Like this isn't even a big overhaul, but they actually opened up the Constitution to make some changes.

And it just turned into this glorious gong show where everybody was writing special interest things into this constitution. And it basically just, you know, dragged on and frustrated everybody. And in the end, I mean, there was terrible things that were being added. And in the end, it died. But that process shows you what you have to go through, whether you are changing the Constitution in Canada or trying to negotiate an exit for any province that's leaving, because you're ending up having to ask for permission from the very people that don't want you to go or that want to squeeze you in some way. It's an absolute clown show. So my question then, because I thought of, you know, like, I just had Dr. Derry Cooper on. Now, this is a little bit of a, I'm just turning ever so slightly to something that I just, I've been trying to understand.

So, Dr. Gary Cooper, Dr. Gary Cooper, Dr. Gary Davidson, apologies, is the one who was on the task force with studying the data of COVID-19 here in Alberta, right? And in my interview with them, I point out, like, you know, and I think a lot of people did, it's like, it's in the first 20 pages. He talks about how Alberta Health Services didn't give him the data. He's not giving it. And I told him in the middle of it, you know, because he's like, well, we can't just burn it down because there's lots of people in the system, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I don't want to burn it down. I can think of all the chaos that comes with that. But at some point, when they've made it so adamantly clear, they don't give a crap what you think or want or anything.

They're not coming along. I think about that on what you're talking about with what we're. a larger scale on the federal side. I'm like, okay, at some point, major reforms need to happen. And the only way that I think major reforms can happen is it's got to get really, really, really, really, really tack on how many reallys you want bad. Yeah. Right.

Think of how really bad it was for the trucker convoy to go to Ottawa. And then think of the ultimate price that Tamara Leach, Chris Barber, Pat King, I mean, I'm missing a whole lot of names here in all. Alberta, the Coots 4, Marco Van Hogan boss in that group, the ultimate price they had to pay. And what did it actually do? Well, I mean, it got rid of the mandates. It got rid of a whole bunch of things. But what did it actually like long term? And then go, what we're talking about, Julius, is like the ultimate burning it down. Like this is like we're done. And I go, we're still got people booing in NHL ranks about terrorists. about tariffs.

I only go, we ain't close to that yet. Yeah. I mean, this is the thing is that, you know, you look at other countries that have finally fit, that are essentially semi-failed states, they've been there for generations. Like there isn't a, because even if,

even if things completely fall apart, there isn't a clear mechanism how you get out from underneath this. And there's always going to be a strong number of people. I mean, look at Zimbabwe, that completely destroyed itself, hyperinflation, the whole nine yards. But, you know,

the government's, state in power because they built a coalition of supporters around themselves that were benefiting from their kleptocratic rule. And so they can maintain that system indefinitely. There is no, oh my gosh, everything has fallen apart. Now the good people of the country can come together and fix this. Our system doesn't, like this is not like the United States where there is all these mechanisms that allow a Thomas Massey, a Ron Paul, even Donald Trump to rise through that system against

hence the best efforts of the establishment that can challenge this stuff. I mean, look at how during COVID, all of these hearings where Iran Paul is grilling Fauci and forcing some of the stuff to light, we just don't have those mechanisms here in Canada. And this is where it's like, I want that constitution. I don't care whether it's got a Canadian or a US flag, but I want those mechanisms to be able to protect my community. And I don't, I think, this is where it's like, like, you know, like, you it's like you said it takes decades and i mean this isn't like we're the first people to come up with this there's been so many different efforts over the over the 157 years to try to bring these

reforms in and nobody has succeeded like it's just a brick wall isn't the inquiry our form of of going to the nth degree to try and find answers yeah except the inquiries are always run by the government and then the government finds itself not guilty like it's like every single time right it's just like there's never how is that sorry uh forgive me now now i'm gonna lean on you for a bit because i'm like i've been leaning on the entire interview haven't i folks when it comes to the states and them grilling fochre and everything how is their version different than our version i think the fact that this is you know forced to happen on a regular basis in in congress whereas i mean we see this over and over again here in canada where like there's

there's calls for an inquiry and then if the the cabinet or the the the the The parliament votes against it, that's the end of it. And as long as Jagmeet and the Green Party and the block are willing to go along with it, there is no hard questions asked. Like there's just such a different system that doesn't provide those voices to actually start asking those questions. And I think part of it too is that, you know, in the United States, you vote for your congressmen separately from your senator and your and your president. So you can vote for the president you want and still vote for an independent guy or somebody that's completely off the wall. And the president can't prevent you from voting for that person. Whereas in Canada, I mean, we saw that with when Leslyn Lewis and a couple of the others met with that politician from Germany, Christine Anderson.

And then Pueleev forced them to all apologize. Otherwise, they were basically at risk of being kicked out of the party. So the party is always going to be in line with the party leader because otherwise as an independent, you're not going to get elected in this country. So you don't have those rogue voices like a Rand Paul that can go against the entire establishment not only on the other side of the aisle, but even on his own side of the aisle to ask questions and not risk his career for doing so. So when you look at, well, this has been interesting, folks, hasn't it? When you look at what's going on right now, you know, you go back like this didn't start on Tuesday, right? Like this has been, this has been foreshadowed for quite some time. I think you go back to November when when Trump initially started, you know, just talking about the border, started just floating this idea. Then he started, you know, trolling Trudeau and, you know, and everybody applaud.

And now we're sitting here. and you go from your eyes do you actually like you know I had a guest on shout it to George said don't take everything Trump says literally but you have to take it seriously I'm starting to begin to think that Trump is serious you know well not begin to think obviously it's serious but like does he just want us to close off the borders or do you think there's more to this you know like you said at the very beginning in November he basically said you guys got have a drug problem, you guys have a border problem, fix this, or there's tariffs. And they didn't do it, right?

And I mean, this is, this is the, the magic of Trump is that he sticks his finger in every single festering wound and gets everybody to look at it. You know, I don't know whether that's instinctual or whether that's deliberate. I don't know. But boy, oh boy, did he ever poke one there, right? Like, this is an absolute clown show as to what is going on in this country with drugs and money laundering and you name it. I mean, like there's that one guy, I think, his name is Stefan Punwazi or something like that. Yes. Like he did that thread about money laundering.

I mean, there's money laundering for Hezbollah in this country. Like, what? You know, like this is nuts. So, like,

what he essentially exposed is that there's a massive problem. And of course, our team Canada approach was to go, well, let's not deal with this. Let's go and be mouthy and talk. I mean, you got sitting MPs talking about,

you know, refighting 1812. Like that's kind of the, the attitude there's that one guy from from vancouver literally posted that i mean he's a government elected member like those words have a lot different weight than if somebody else in the private sphere says this so in a sense what we did is failed the test to show the americans that we are willing and capable of solving our problems and so from there that starts to escalate i don't actually think that it's about you know trade imbalances at this point it's about like canada needs to

seriously fix itself and in a hurry or the United States is just going to keep ramping up for whatever excuse it takes to do it until we break because they can't allow this this you know Venezuela with snow to start happening on their northern border I mean it is it is colossal all the problems that are in this country not just on the drug end of it but I mean look at 11 MPs were found to be infiltrated with foreign interference and the government not only doesn't release their names but by proroguing parliament we're probably never know their names before the next election like this is like we are literally shielding all of these infiltrations with the with the foreign governments and

i mean china is all through this system it's like whether it's through investments or with you know the the the drug thing even that like there's one report i quoted in my last piece where the the chinese state uh the government is actually involved with the drug trafficking into North America with the fentanyl. Not only do they produce the, not only does China produce the source ingredients for making the fentanyl, but they're aware of it and are facilitating it to happen, which suggests that they are, there's a certain degree of intentionally trying to destabilize North America with this stuff, and our Canadian government is disguising it. I mean, that big drug bust in Falkland, it's like an hour from where we live.

live here. The biggest super lab bust in Canadian history, 95 million fatal doses of fentanyl were seized. There's pictures of, you know, guns and a whole nine yards, and they arrested one person. Like, this is not a country that is taking this seriously. I mean, it even raises questions to what degree there was an intentional, you know, having a blind eye to this stuff. well there's there's definitely i mean at the highest levels you know this always comes back when i get into these discussions of like well not every politician bad there's good people in there it's like well yeah there's good people on everything folks oh yeah but i mean at some point somebody's on the take somebody's somebody's got influence over somebody i mean like you know and words

really matter you know i think of i think of made you know and then i was listening to uh an american talk about it and they just use the right word it you generally It's just a different form of it, right? And somehow socially, we're all like, yeah, this is great. You get old, you just pull your own plug. You're young and you got problems, you just pull your plug. And there's a financial aspect to do that we're going to save the country money. It's like, are you insane?

Are we insane? I think we've gone insane. Yeah, I mean, and it's shifted from like, let's, let's be humane to people that are suffering severely. And I mean, I'm sure there's a case for that, but this went way beyond that within about three seconds of that initial case being made like this is nuts i don't know what to do i i just don't you know i'm i'm like sitting here yeah well i mean i'm like sorry julia let's go no i was just going to say like i mean when you look at the way that uh like if trump poked at the the the drugs and the border issues from day one maybe that i mean one possibility is that the

government can't fix those things because the government is like portions of the government Well, that's that's Sam Cooper. That's Sam Cooper, who's written a book on it. Okay. Right? And hopefully, folks, he's coming on this week. But in fairness, I throw that name out as in I'm trying to get him on. And that's right.

It's complicit. Like, they're complicit in what's going on. So then you go, like, how bad is this going to get? You know, like, I think of all the things, you know, I just had Natasha Gonic on. Well, if you haven't listened to that episode, you really should, her and Tim Casper. on freedom of information. It's like they hide behind these things because they don't think anybody will do the digging.

And then when the digging comes out and you see the complicity of what's going on in our organizations, you're like, I don't even know what to do with this. I, you know, what can we do?

And the only way that I think my brain goes to major change happening from a governmental structure. And I don't want to see this idea, but I look at history and I go violence. And I, you know, I'm like, I don't want that at all.

No. But maybe Julius has a, is there a peaceful way that things just all of a sudden happen and then all of a sudden overnight, nothing's went on and we're just a better place? Yeah. I mean, I hear what I always say with, you know, anybody that suggests violence, it's like, listen, if you're a small group of people, violence is never going to work. And the moment that you get to the point where you've got 50% of the country behind you, you don't need violence because you have the masses to make the numbers to make the changes

through peaceful means. So violence is just not There's not the way out, you know So when you say it that way And I know you got a butt there Yeah Could Trump be doing exactly that? He's doing things that are economical

And there will be people This is a form of violence Because you're going to have people Just think As life becomes tougher What's going to happen? More drugs are going to be used For sure. Abuse is going to go up You're going to have suicides go up

You're going to have a whole bunch of stuff go on that it is not good. But from a military might standpoint, he's not rolling in the cavalry and knocking down the walls and just taking it. He's going to have part of Canada begging for the United States to stop.

Well, I mean, this is the thing is that for them to roll through with the military, you now have an unhappy population and possibly an endless rolling guerrilla wars of unhappy people doing terrible things after you've conquered them. The conquest ideally is that

the people themselves view it as liberation. So I don't discount the possibility that there is a deliberate destabilization going on from their end as well. Like this is where the realities when you're dealing with the superpower is not, oh, you know, this is wrong based on the United Nations. Who's going to enforce it? Might makes right in this world. And this is how it goes. If they've decided that they need to have control over us, they will find a way to do it.

You know, I mean, this is where it's not a simple, is do we join as a 51st state because there are other alternatives. We've already seen that with Kevin O'Leary going and schmoozing with Trump. And what he came back with was we get to stay independent, but we create this free trade union, with all sorts of stipulations and rules and blah, blah, blah. Well, what that really is is that the United States get their national security interests met, but we don't get any of the benefits of statehood. We get to keep our flag, and we get to keep our parliamentary system that keeps us quiet.

but at the end of the day we don't actually have anything to improve our communities. So I think those are realistically the two options that are on the table because Canada, as it sits right now, has to make some massive changes. And with US approval and basically probably US clandestine involvement in the terms, or else the pressure just continues. Like this is no longer a situation, like we've essentially run out of sand in our hourglass to fix this on our own, we either do this on their terms or we do it on their terms. Pick one of the two options.

Yeah, well, I mean, we... That's kind of where I think we're out, you know. The hopeful side of me goes, we could fix this tomorrow. Yeah, we could. Our leaders won't. Yeah. Which means they don't want to. Yeah.

Right? I mean, and then you go, well, why don't they want to? There could be a bunch of arguments for that, right? Just, you know, like, you can go down a bunch of threats. So then you come back to what you're saying. And I go, if, Julius, if you had the vote today, you would join the United States. I would. It would break my heart and I would do it because that's the only path that I see out of it.

So I go, so then I go, okay. If Julius, a Canadian citizen born here, everything, living in this country, doesn't want to leave this country, still here, even though COVID did everything it did to them. he's like, I still want to be Canadian, but there's no way past this. And I've gotten that. I'm like, you represent, is it 1% of the population? Is it half a percent? I don't care what it is. You're there.

That's a chunk. It's actually bigger than that. I mean, there was some pole that came through. I mean, take poles with a grain of salt. But apparently in, I think it was the 18 to, I don't know, 24 or 36, like in that younger age bracket, in British Columbia, it's over 43%. Yeah, but because I think the young. did the poll. Well, that's the question, right? But I mean, I think that, you know, because if I walk around, if I walk around, sorry, if I walk around Lloydminster today and I ask the question,

and maybe I should. Maybe heck, folks, I'm just going to start walk around and start asking the question, do my own little poll of just, and just see, I think it's, I think you're in a minority still right now, but that doesn't shock me. You've done all the research. And the fact that I'm sitting here and I wrestle with it means, okay, and I'm a guy staring at this problem every day, and talking to people, and I'm still wrestling with it, it's like, okay, yeah, there's a chunk of Canadian population already there. But what I'm trying to point out is, even if it's small, it's still a large number. And every day that goes on now, that number is going to grow, not shrink. Would you agree with that? Very much so. I mean, look at how many young people are

starting to look for ways out of this country because they don't see a way to ever own a home. Well, then, and then I think of how many people do you know that, fled Canada. A lot. Essentially September slash October 2021.

A lot. And then how many have fled since then? A lot. A lot. I'm like a lot. So it's like, how many people are stuck here

against their will and would welcome just change out the flag? We already watch everything American anyways. And if our government ran something similar to it, We'd probably be, you're going to get rid of Trudeau and all the lackeys out in Ottawa?

Yeah, we'd take the, I am, man. And I mean, this is the other thing that, you know, full statehood is actually, other presidents that have had national security interests in Canada have simply subverted our democracy or funded environmental protesters or whatever. Like, they get what they need and then allow us to do the rest on our own terms. What Trump is essentially doing is saying, listen, like, I could do that too. And the Kevin O'Leary option is essentially a version of that. Like they get their needs met. But he's saying, you know what, he's got enough confidence in Canadians

to say we're culturally close enough. You guys can have the same thing that South Dakota and Texas and everybody else has and just be part of this fortress that he's building of. I mean, this is a major shift in the direction of the way the world is about to work, which is that America builds this tariff-based fortress, around itself. He's already talked about that, about how making tariffs permanent and getting rid of the income tax. This is how America used to run in the late 1800s, right? So all of a sudden, you pay zero income tax, you have a voice in Congress, you've got unrestricted access to the entire U.S. market. That's the deal that he's laying on the table for us. And I mean, full statehood means

that your province as it sits today will have more rights as a U.S. state than it's has as a province. It has lower federal taxes than under Canadian, under the Canadian Constitution. You've got First Amendment, Second Amendment, like, you have all the tools to be able to defend yourself against tyranny. You've got the voices, like, to be able to, in Parliament or in Congress, to get your own community's voice heard, independent of who you vote for for president. Like, it's, in a sense, this is the, this is the decentralized union. except that there are major problems like you said with the military, but this is the opportunity to actually bring in those reforms to try to rein that in,

to try to, you know, Canada could very easily go, listen, we want some of the reforms that Ron Paul's been talking about. We're not trying to turn this place into Canada, but that would make sure that we have the, like preserve the autonomy that we have as provinces. Even Quebec might go along with it then, just because they then would have the freedom to really run their show as they see fit, but they're allowing national borders and, you know,

those sorts of things that are within the federal purview in the American system. That's taken care of, but everything else is up to them. I mean, look at California can destroy itself until as much as they want and nobody intervenes. And South Dakota can enrich its health and nobody

intervenes. I'm almost flabbergasted at this is where we're at in 2025. Yeah, so am I. I like I'm I'm serious folks you know like talking to the audience as much as I'm talking to Julius it seems you know I thought when we were get at Christmas time when I took my like a couple of weeks away from the podcast kind of recharge the the engine so to speak I thought you know we have the you know Pierre Poliav's going to be in we're going to have an election late April early May do I love everything about here, nope, and could I have done more on this side to change people's minds about it? Maybe, I don't know.

I don't even know. But certainly, I've pointed out to the PPC crowd. You know, you got 840,000 roughly Canadians who voted for them last time. If you really think this is the best option, get off your butts and start moving, right? Like, they're going to, this is a game. They have the deck stacked against you or the board stacked against you. They're going to do things, right? And to me, that's the way I saw this playing out.

And since then, things have changed so quickly. I'm like, was I blind? Like, did I not? Like, was I missing things? And here I sit with Julius on going, I'm listening to you. And I'm running out of, you know, I used to feel like I had this. This is a terrible example. But like an assault rifle of, you know, like, no, don't like that.

Bang, bang, bang. But I'm actually, I'm almost even tiring out of arguing why Canada. as it sits today is a good thing. Like I just, from a governmental standpoint, the people are fantastic. I've been across this country. The people are wonderful. Everybody always, well, the people, well, no, we need.

It's like, no, no, no, the people are amazing. But I know a lot, I'm married to an American for Pete's sake. There's a lot of people down there are pretty amazing too, right? The people across this planet are amazing. It's these government structures that get put in. And when you dig and dig and dig and dig and dig and dig and dig, you get to like this is this is a hard problem to unravel like you know and now i'm curious like i'm really curious you know how many people actually would be like you know what i'm good to go let's

let's just switch over to the states today and life is going to become way better real fast yeah yeah i mean there was that one statistic that just came through that the the canadian average income is now as low as the poorest state in the United States. That's how far we've slid. You know what I mean? This is where you can trace this all the way back to Confederation itself, that the entire purpose of Canada was to block the north-south development that is natural geographically on this continent. I mean, Albertans want to be able to take their oil and their corn and their wheat south because that's where the big markets were. And right from day one, our system was designed to prevent that.

Like, I mean, they literally prevented people from building railroads to connect to the United States lines. They gave that, I think it was a 20-year monopoly to the Canadian Pacific Railroad, which they, of course, used to squeeze every ounce of profit out of every farmer trying to ship wheat that now was forced to go through the ports in Montreal and to the big markets in Toronto. Like, Alberta was literally the captive colonial backwater for the east, right? So like everything since then is these nation building efforts that are artificially in trying to prevent the north-south development that it would be normally happening on this continent if we didn't have a government sitting here, right? Well, I think it's just sorry. I just I'm my brain is going somewhere else and that's not a good thing of a host.

You know, I'm supposed to be listening folks. But Julius has got me thinking about things. And it's like, what's the most important question? what flag you fly or like how your community and your family and everything functions like the underlying things that that actually impact your life because like i love the canadian flag i i love what uh canada i think in my mind had stood for um up until honestly until this current leader i could be wrong on that i was probably missing some things on there i'm sure i'll get some some text saying you miss this and you miss that you miss that

but like you know there was a time where I traveled the world and being Canadian was honestly you were you were pretty much ushered in anywhere you went you're in a bar and they found out you're a Canadian they were buying your drinks that's how we were perceived on the world stage right now we're not that like uh we're we're everywhere i turned to on social media on on talking to people on the podcast you know outside of of even north america we're an embarrassment like our leader is you know we're and and they're wondering why the people aren't ousting this guy and we're pointing out well we want to host them but like they're doing everything possible now it's also um i learned this through having um children never make a decision

under duress and i think where i sit right now is is is in that camp right we we need to get out of And then when we have clear heads, then we can make a clear decision. Because the problem with making a decision right now is, if you want out of this, you're almost willing to do whatever to get out of it, right? No, that's right. Well, I mean, this is where I feel like, you know, being able to have the conversation about actually asking for terms of the 51st state as opposed to allowing this to unravel. I mean, if we get a bond crisis, this country is finished.

Like if we get a massive flood of investors screaming and yelling and leaving by the droves, we can go from functional country to a complete train wreck in a matter of weeks to months. And at that point, you have no leverage to negotiate any kind of terms on the way in. Like, you're going to be taking their terms. I mean, if they offer Puerto Rico at that state, we'll be happy to take it. You know, like to become a territory without a voice in government is still better than, you know, going bankrupt. Whereas at the moment, we have an awful lot of leverage to actually make sure that we're not just steamrolled over this. That Trump's offer of full statehood actually happens and maybe even some reforms on the way in.

I'm going to go back to my duress thing because it's going to bug me that I didn't fully flush out my idea. Yeah, go ahead. Because I'm like, I said it. And then I'm like, I actually didn't tell the story. When we had kids, we got three kids, Julius. And after the second one, I went in, like, I mean week one. and I went, I want you to snip. Give me the snip.

I'm done having kids. And it was a doctor from South Africa. And she talked me off the ledge and said, come do it in six months. Six months, we'll do it. And I was like, no, I was angry. I'm like, I want it right now. She's like, nope, you're going to come back in six months.

And so I went back in six months. I've forgotten why we had the appointment. She said, are you ready? And I'm like, oh, no, I don't want that. And then we ended up having our third. And I tell that story because there's a wonderful woman who's no longer in Lloyd Minst. who talked me off the ledge.

And where we sit right now, today, at least where I sit, and I assume where, you know, you're coming from is like, we're in for a rocky couple of months. And we're staring down the barrel of possibly a whole bunch of things, if they were to happen, this could be more than a couple of months. This could be another year. And you go like, this can't go, like, how can't we get out from this? It's just driving me nuts.

And I mean, even if you get out with it with Pueleyev, I mean, he is he has not said anything about pulling out of WHO. Like the, he's fully on. And you watch what and you watch what Trump's done. He's pulled out of W.H.O. He's walked in day one. Said there's climate. The climate stuff. El Codore.

The climate stuff, Paris, of course, boop. And it's what everybody, you know, as I've gone down all these rabbit holes, it's what we've talked about. Why can't they just say it? Well, and these are the, these are the, like, you've heard of Plato's. noble lie, right? This is this idea that you have this fiction that justifies the current, or the state of affairs, right? And the climate thing, I mean, I just did a whole book on it, right? The climate thing is not only does it completely fall apart at the moment you start peeling at the layers, but it is at the very core of this whole globalist belief system that they

are trying to, you know, there's this socialism on a global scale that they are trying to jam down our throats. I mean, there's that one article that was written in 2021 where this guy, I went through Mark Carney's book, creating a better or fair world for us all. And it's basically like he describes it as a technocratic dictatorship brought in on the back of climate hysteria. Like if you don't dismantle the core of this because it is rotten and it is a lie, then you actually can't dismantle this global trend towards this global technocratic system. And it's not going to end up as in one world government where there's one government. It is exactly what is happening in the European Union, where you have a bunch of technocrats making the decisions,

but you get to keep your local flag and pretend like you have your own country. That's the reality of what this world economic forum dream is. And I mean, that's where I get very uncomfortable, the fact that the conservatives have been part of this. And this isn't just Pierre. Like I'm not, I don't want to single him. Harper, this goes all the way back to Mulroney. Like, there's been, I mean, Harper talked about that he's proud of the fact that there's been continuity of government no matter who's coming in. There is, you know, fundamentally, they are, there is a belief system that they share as to what has to happen.

And I don't even necessarily know that it's, you know, nefarious. It's just that if you buy into the post-World War II liberal rules-based order, right, this was specifically anti-nationalists. They don't want to go back to the ethno-nationalism that the Nazis had in Germany. Well, how do you do that? Well, we create this wonderful, big, happy family of the United Nations, where there's all these extra rules to make sure nobody goes into tyranny. Well, it sounds wonderful on paper. But the reality of this is that once you create that system,

everybody in their dog figures out how to hack it and game it for their own special purposes. and it turns into this colossal corrupt system all the way down, and there's no way to get rid of it. Once you sign away your sovereignty, you don't get it back. You're just now at the mercy of all of these special interests that are whispering the way in these distant halls of power that we have no control over. This has to be dismantled.

Have you given any thought to, okay, let's say, I don't know. I literally just put it as we're talking, this is once again very unprofessional but now you got my brain so I'm like you know what screw it I want to do my own poll right now as we're talking right now it's it's a 43% would leave and another additional uh now it's early on in the voting folks I might add but an additional 44% says yes 25% says they need more info right so that's 69% now once again this is skewed to the Sean Newman podcast audience on Twitter which we both can agree that's that's that's that's skewed to one side but i find that fascinating right that that's

fascinating to me have you given any thought on you know because i i'm like okay donald trump here in six months throws out a poll on twitter and says hey canadians would you want to leave what actually does that look like have you like have you like have you gone any further other than yeah i'd leave tomorrow have you given it any thought on how on earth that would even look? You know, this is where, I mean, if you go through our constitution in a world where you don't have the superpower standing there going, okay, we want this too, you're pretty much screwed, right?

Like, there's no way that the political forces that be. We have arguably the biggest military sitting just south of us. I can think of a lot of ways this goes where it just happens. That's right. And I mean, that's the thing is that there's so much leverage that they can apply that all of a sudden we've got this 800 pound gorilla that says change is coming because the people are unhappy and it's going to happen whether Ottawa is going to try to block it or not, that changes the equation an awful lot. Like there's all of a sudden, you know, a very different wind than when

it's just a bunch of us going, listen, we need more rights for our local communities. It doesn't happen. Like even the small changes don't happen, let alone any kind of big one. So, you know, this is where it's like this is the one shot to make the big change. changes because you have the circumstances are right, both, you know, the U.S. under Trump is making this change to this fortress America. So if you don't sign on, you're going to be left as this little quarantine state on the northern border that they make sure they get their national security interests met, but they're not going to let, you know, China have a foothold anymore, and we just kind of rot away on the outside, or we come in on their terms like it or not, you know,

might makes right. It's not, it's not fair, but that's kind of the way that they could operate. At the same time, the crisis that we're in right now makes it possible to actually address the fact that our system isn't just a matter of having the wrong person in power. It's that the system itself needs a complete change. And either you put proper constitutional reform on the table here and right quick, or there's this other option coming from Trump

that says, well, either fix it or lose it, right? So the pressure is, suddenly here to be able to make big changes that otherwise are not possible, you know? And I think that that's the other thing, too, is that at the rate that it's unraveling, it's forcing, it's forcing a conversation that otherwise, I mean, you and I would not be having, I wouldn't be even considering it if I felt like, well, I mean, I was perfect, you know, you know, like, I mean, 25% tariffs are happening today. Yeah.

Right. I, I, I, I woke up, I woke up this morning, Julius. And I'm probably, I'm probably regurgitating the same thought over and over again. But I'm like, we're walking into a world that I did not see coming. And I don't know how many Canadians did. Like honestly, I watched what Trump said. And I just, you know, it sounds so naive. And I'm trying not to be naive anymore.

But, you know, he talked about this. I watched him talk about it. I followed along. I said, oh, that's interesting. I wonder if this is actually going to happen. Right. And I went, no, Trudeau's going to get out. We're going to have cooler heads prevail.

blah blah blah you had daniel smith break away from canada first went down there and i'm like i think she's doing i think a lot of people thought and continue to think she's doing a world of good for canada and trying to be like our leader we're we're a headless nation right now except like this continues to unravel as you point out because this isn't slowing down it's speeding up now we're talking about um you know essentially serb payments again for you know like That's what the NEP are signaling towards. Like we got to find a way. I'm like, so we're going to print more money.

That's our answer to this. Like I'm almost dumbfounded this is sitting here. Yeah, I mean, basically the raid that happened on the public purse during COVID is about to happen again. And then the inflation that's coming from that is going to be right on the heels of it again. So I mean, whatever amount of inflation that's already eaten into us is going to happen a second time or worse. And they are leveraging this to keep themselves in power. I mean, Doug Ford just used this to call an election in Ontario a year and a half early because nobody that wants to jump ship in the middle of a crisis. Like everybody in power is

leveraging this for a million different self-serving purposes. But I mean, as you said, like this is not going away afterwards. This is not as simple as this is just, you know, Trump picking on Canada. He's also signaled that they are looking at Greenland and I'm even you know, hinted at the idea at the time that they might even consider taking Greenland militarily, right? And then he's talked, the other thing that makes me think that this, like the tariff war doesn't go away, if he says that he wants to get rid of the IRS, right? Like, if he says zero federal income tax, we're going to fund the government with tariffs. That means they need to keep the tariffs up. And that is, I think, part of their overall strategy to start bringing

manufacturing home. The only way that you can create a permanent hard barrier without regulation, regulations to stop having American companies compete with, you know, Chinese companies that have much lower labor standards, much lower environmental standards, is to create a firewall in a fortress America is, you know, literally protected by tariffs to give manufacturing a home advantage. So the only way that you do that is to keep that wall up permanently. And I think this is, I mean, he's, he's tried with executive orders to try to bring, what do call manufacturing back to America to try to revive the actual American manufacturing,

the small business, everybody that has basically been gutted and hollowed out and everybody's turning into an Amazon delivery driver, right? The manufacturing base has left and he needs to bring this back. And this is his preferred direction because all these trade agreements, in the end, people find all sorts of loopholes and it's just a, like it never quite achieves the purpose that they're intended. The hard wall of tariffs does that. So if we're on the outside of that and this is permanent, life doesn't improve just because we finally do get around to fixing the things

that Trump initially put on the table that are wrong in Canada. This becomes permanent, you know. Well, I just, you know, I'm thinking about like, you know, once again, I can't believe this is on the podcast. This is a boat of shocking to me, you know, for Julius, you know, for listeners who've here a long time um you know probably isn't as shocking as is as what i i think it is but like certainly uh for me sitting here listening i'm like you know once upon a time it was talking about covid i was like and i've gone from talking to don cherry about hockey to covid and doctors i'm like this is strange

and i got a lot of flack for that and then you know i when when daniel smith was running for the ucp i literally just toned in on that election and interviewed all the people that were running for it and And I was like, this is shocking. And then I found faith along the way. And we started interviewing Christians and on and on. And I was like, this is shocking. To me, this is another one of those shocking turns of this journey we've been on where I'm like, I just, I can't believe I'm here. But I'll give you, I'll get.

So right now it's, it's a 47% yes. 22 says I need more info. And Dan Beheels, who's a guest to the podcast, he was a whistleblower in Emmington. He commented, it's complicated. I'd rather see Canada remodeled federally, but like many people who want provincial separation point out, there's not a lawful, lawful path to do that. That's exactly what we're talking about. And then, of course, shut out to my mom. She comments, no.

And I'm like, that's the, right? That is the, you have the, no, we're never leaving Canada. Canada's a part of me. But once I got digging into this, and I think it's in your article, actually. But this was pointed out to me, people who fought in World War II for Canada, didn't fight under the Maple Leaf. It was the red enzyme. And that, you know, it shouldn't shock us,

but we just don't talk about that. It's the Maple Leaf. Right? And you go, and people who fought in World War II were pissed about the Maple Leaf. They didn't like that. They'd fought for their country and their country's flag

was something different to what it is today. And then you fast forward to us. And I go, I've never been more proud of the Canadian Maple Leaf when it was a convoy. And what did the media and everything? oh, it's a terrorist symbol, pretty much. And now that we're in this point, now we've got to rally behind the flag.

And Pierre Polly, I was going to talk in front of the flag. I'm like, is nobody else seeing what I'm seeing? I mean, obviously a lot of people are. It's just that's that right there in a poll. I love you, mom, is like, it's funny, right? Like one's like, it's saying exactly what you're saying. Like, I don't want to leave Canada. But the problem is the mountain isn't a mountain.

It might be Helms deep. And there's no keyhole. to blow it up other than we just get out from under this. Well, I think the flag is actually the perfect symbol of what Canada has become or what it actually stands for. It came in in 1965. At the beginning of this liberal area that was then, you know, Pierre Elliott Trudeau came in and decided to literally by law impose multiculturalism.

Like it was all the symbolism. Like if you look at the red end sign, it harks back to the British and the French roots in Canada. There's both both symbols are on that flag. So that continuity was deliberately broken as part of this massive social engineering endeavor. And I mean, there's been, you know, the whole country was founded on a social engineering endeavor to prevent us from becoming Americans. Like, this isn't the first time. But it's like it's, that symbol is literally how, like, starting in 1965, is this new vision for Canada that comes from the top dogs in our parliament that, dreamt up a new direction for us. It's not a bottom up, you know, desire for this massive change.

It's that it's imposed on us because they think it's good for us. I mean, it blew my mind when I, when I found that out. I grew up at long after that flag came in. I thought this had, you know, going all the way back to our earliest routes with, you know, the great railway project, everything else must have all happened underneath that flag and under the same answer. And it didn't know, it didn't. It didn't, you know. It's like, Well, are we just putty? And I don't want to live in a system that can be molded at will by those that are in charge of this. I want that stop.

Well, I think what we're talking about, you know, is one of the, like, we're living in a time where big things are really going to happen. And maybe that's, no, I, no, like, I think changing the flag would have been a big moment, right? That's signaling a different direction of where we're heading. Right now, you know, Donald Trump's got four years. And in the next four years, well, I mean, if it keeps the pace of what's going on today, I don't know what the next four years are. I keep asking the question of how on earth we get to world war. Because I thought Donald Trump would come in and everything would subside on a world stage of war.

But like, everything signals war is coming. I mean, the globalist mind frame is fighting back. I mean, this isn't, if you think of this as a battle of ideas, this is an existential battle for this post-World War II liberal globalist era that is now, coming to a head. Yeah, like it's it's rotted out and it's defending itself by cloaking itself with ever more layers of tyranny. And, you know, Trump is this alternate view. It may not be the view that we want, but it's the only other view out there that with any leverage to stop this, this thing that is growing underneath us. Which, yeah. I appreciate, I appreciate it coming on. I did not, you know, like, I knew what I was getting myself into this morning somewhat, right?

But I'm like, I think this is, you know, I could be wrong for the listener. Maybe I go back to, I act like I wasn't doing things that were really poking the beehive. But I'm like, I'm sure this one's going to poke the beehive a bit. I'm sure what we're talking about, people have been talking about over the water cooler a little bit. But like, you know, like today as tariffs come in, maybe it isn't as big a deal as I make it out to be. Maybe it's fine. Maybe nothing will change. Yeah.

I mean, I think that the tariffs are actually, they're talking about a 20% increase in the carbon tax in April. Nobody made a big fuss about that. One of the truckers pointed that out on Twitter here the other day, right? But, you know, I think that there's something much bigger fundamentally underneath all of this. But I mean, one of the questions that, you know, of the people that push back, on this idea of the 51st state. Is they know, would you be talking like this if it was still Biden in charge?

You know, or if Kamala Harris had been elected. Elected. Right? And I mean, that, it's terrifying what they were building. I mean, this is literally the globalist voice in America, imposing that system. And yet I'd be like, yes, still, because we already have that globalist system here

and the US Constitution offers you options out of it because that you've got, you know, the fact that you've got all of these voices in Parliament and these restrictions on what they can do to individual states. Like, that's massive. I mean, look at how many people during COVID fled to the United States. It was, even under Biden, was the refuge for Canadians trying to get out from under Canadian tyranny. You just had to head to South Dakota.

Or once Florida changed, you head it to Florida. And then, you know, Texas eventually joined in as well. Like, there was, there was a way out. Whereas here, there just isn't. And I think that's like that, that, that, that, That question I think was an important one from somebody, for the trolls to ask me because it's like, okay, like, is this just because you're thinking Donald Trump is rolling back the globalism? No, it's actually about the tools that are available through their constitution. There is a reason why they pledge their allegiance to their constitution, not to the country, not to the leader, not to a monarch. It's that body of rules that provides limits and tools to keep, like to try to hold the government to the limits of that of that system. it's spiraling towards basically becoming more like Canada, which is top down, but it's not there yet.

And the fact that you've got, you know, the Thomas Massies and the Rand falls in the system shows you that there is still a hope to, you know, reverse this move towards ever greater imperialism. I don't see that in the Canadian system. Well, I mean, I think we're all pointing it out, like the ability to get there. It's riddled with so many landmines and other barriers.

It's not impossible, but it's close. And it's going to take time and effort and pain and on and on and on. And I just go back to my thought on duress because I got to go sit and stew on that one for a bit. Because right now I'm like, we're walking into difficult times again. Big time. And when you're in duress, it's not usually the best time to make humanity altering decisions, you know? So appreciate you coming on and doing this, Julius. And sparking something in, you know, I kind of saw it coming, but, you know, it's different when you're sitting there across from someone talking about it.

Certainly, I think it's something that we need to be chatting more about. not the 51st state thing is certainly part of the discussion but everything going on with the tariffs everything Trump and others are pointing out about Canada specifically and the things that are going on in our country I think we've been doing a fair job

of talking about lots of different things but we're going to continue to have to because we have no hope of things changing if we don't it's something that has to be talked about and discussed and pointed out and everything else Yeah, I mean, the one last point I put out is to say, listen, like the fact that we're talking about 51st state, like, I'm flexible on how this ends.

Give me a constitution that protects my family and I'm happy. I don't, I'm not welded to any one of the different options. But by saying, listen, this offer that Trump made is a pretty good one. So that makes an awful lot of pressure on Ottawa to come up with a better option. It puts a floor under the debate. It gives us an actual negotiating position to say, listen, you guys got to give us something as good or better than what Trump is offering. And there are better options than that if you actually are willing to make those changes. But the status quo is unacceptable.

So it's like the first time that Canadians have any leverage to try to force this conversation beyond just dying on the vine by being stretched out forever and manipulated and then running circles around us using the system. because we have no other options other than to ask them for permission to change this. This is different. I mean, that's why it's sort of a thought exercise that I'm willing to play with because, hey, what do we got to lose? Fix this or lose it,

you know? Yeah. Well, thought exercise is a very good reminder to people. This is a thought exercise. Very much, Sean has real no control over this as much as Julius does. Exactly.

Appreciate you. I've been swept along in a river in this one. Right. Appreciate you coming on and doing this. Very nice meeting you. And while I look forward to to falling along with your your substack and everything else. Actually, that's probably how you should add. And how do people find Julius? How do they find you? So I'm on substack, as you said. I can't remember the exact address. Julius for us, Rochelle, substack. But if you just Google my name and substack, you'll find me. And I've got the links as well on Twitter. I'm on Twitter as well. That's where I'm most active on

social media. I also post links to new articles on Facebook and whatnot, but on Twitter, I actually mouth off a bit. Right on. Julius, thanks for hopping on and doing this and like I say, look forward to seeing what you write next. Thanks so much for having me on. This was a great conversation. I really enjoyed it.