Shaun Newman Podcast - #807 - Dr. David Martin

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

He is an American inventor, entrepreneur, and public speaker with a diverse background in finance, technology, and intellectual property. He holds a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia, where he also served as a Batten Fellow at the Darden Graduate School of Business Administration. He founded M·CAM Inc. in 1998, a company focused on intangible asset finance, patent quality assessment, and innovation funding. His work has positioned him as a global advocate for intellectual property accountability, collaborating with entities like the U.S. Congress, the European Union, and various regulatory agencies across over 160 countries.Cornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastSilver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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and finance, technology, and intellectual property. He holds a PhD from the University of Virginia, where he also served as a batten fellow at the Darden Graduate School of Business Administration. He founded MCAM Incorporated in 1998, a company focused on intangible asset finance, patent quality assessment, and innovation funding. His work has positioned him as a global advocate for intellectual property accountability, collaborating with entities like the U.S. Congress, the European Union, and various regulatory agents across over 160 countries. I'm talking about Dr. David E. Martin. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Numa podcast.

Today I'm joined by Dr. David Martin. So thank you for giving me some time today. Absolutely. Delight to be here. Well, you know, if I had four hours with you, I think I'd start a little different, but I know we're pressed for time here and injection for truth and getting in the event and everything else. So instead of focusing on what has been, I'm kind of curious where your mind goes

with the present day and what you see in the future. Because when I listen to you talk, you know, like one of the things my younger mind, had to wrap itself around and at times still does is how much preparation went into COVID and all the things that had to get into place before they can pull the thing off yeah when you're looking at what's going on right now what do you see is the next big thing people should be paying attention to or watching for or paying i don't know what uh i don't know where's your brain go i guess well you know when a when an animal is about to die uh there is a moment of decision making that has to go into the animal's mind, which is it knows it's going to die. The question is, is it

going to die by laying over and being peaceful, or is it going to thrash and is it going to carry on? What it knows is it's going to be dead. You know, in previous podcasts, I've talked about that wonderful scene in the movie 300 where the rhino gets a spear through its head, it keeps running. You know the rhino is going to die, but you know that it's running and it's a rhino and it's a war rhino, and Xerxes's army was filled with him. And so the question is, is it going to run into the Spartan who threw the spear or is it going to die before it gets there. The reason I love that metaphor is because we know that the current industrial complex around what we call health care is going to die. We know that because when it was set up in the 1930s and 1940s in the United States,

which is the model that ultimately was adopted around the world, we essentially institutionalized socialized medicine. In the United States, we call it Medicare and Medicaid. In the Commonwealth countries, we call it health services. But at the end of the day, these are elaborate labels to put on the front of drug dealers. And the drug dealers are the pharmaceutical companies, which have been banks for the last 50 years. And they, we could argue, have been banks since 1604, when they were first set up by all of the Royal Acts that set up the British East India Company and the Hudson Bay Company and the Virginia Company and everything else. Drug dealing has been a very, very interesting business for a long time. And drug dealing as the proxy for health is going to go

through what I see as a death. It's a war rhino, and there's a spear through its head. In the United States, the spear through its head is the illiquidity of Medicare and Medicaid, which is now starting to show up in public conversations. In the rest of the world, every public health service knows that they were a front for promulgating a campaign of terror against their citizens, and now they're paying for long-term disability. They're paying for all kinds of collateral diseases. And the public knows that they're now going to the very people who were the agents of their destruction. That means that the animal is going to die. Now the question is what's next? Because when you know death is imminent, then the question becomes what is the new, what is the evolving, what is the next? Because we know

that the establishment as it's currently configured is going to end. And this is where I think we need to take a page out of the South African playbook after the end of apartheid. If you go back and look at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which was an amazing innovation that was the post-apartheid South Africa. And you go back and look at what was done right. There's a bunch of stuff that was done wrong, but what was done right was that to avoid the public pandemic of retribution, of violence, of civil war, all of the things that people thought was going to happen, Mandela and DeClirk and the others got together and said, okay, we're going to do the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. And to do that, what we have to do is three things. Number one,

we have to admit what really happened. So we have to have a public accountability of what really happened. The second thing is we have to have contrition, where there's some indication that there was a moral compass that people knew they were violating when they did it. Because one thing to say you did a thing. It's another thing to say the thing I did was wrong. And then the third thing is some form of reparation, some form of and means by which you make good on the harm that you did in the Commonwealth countries, we call that the remedies under fraudulent inducement. If you induce somebody with fraud, your job is to restore them to their condition prior to the fraud. Now, if you think about what I just said, what we have to do in the case of this pandemic, as we like to brand it, is we have to

first and foremost admit the truth, which is what really happened. The second thing is we have to have contrition. And contrition has to be on the part of every single complicit party. That means, every nurse, every doctor, every health care provider, every public campaign of publicity, whether that's the media, whether it's anybody else, everybody has to get to the point of saying we were wrong. And they have to actually express some degree of contrition. And the reason I'm advocating for a truth and reconciliation style approach is because the alternative is far worse. The alternative is reckless chaos, where retribution is done through more of a vigilante justice regime. and what we can't afford is that.

But it's perfectly plausible to say that if we go through some sort of truth and reconciliation process, then the health care industry can reclaim itself as part of a value, accretive part of society, rather than as the perpetrators of the greatest fraud and ultimately the largest genocide that modernity has seen, which is what they're currently doing. And truth and reconciliation. I don't know if I thought that's where the word, coming out of your mouth were going to be, but here in Canada, when it comes to First Nations, truth and reconciliation, I think for most Canadians, those words have kind of been obscured from...

Of course they have. And no different from what happened with the Aboriginal communities in Australia. You know, what we did was we created genocide, we dislocated people, we put them on reservations, we killed most of them, the ones that we didn't kill, we got addicted to drugs and alcohol and everything else and all kinds of social scourges. And then we said, oh, we're going to just say we're sorry, right and so saying you're sorry is not the point the point is true transparency and that's where the commonwealth has failed when it's tried these kinds of things before i think south africa has as a model of behavior gotten as close to it as anybody has to say let's get to a place where we take some corporate accountability for what went on and we have to realize that in this particular instance

parents had their children injected with a known genetically modifying organism that's a a horrible thing as a parent to deal with. And parents are now going to have to look in their children's faces and say, oh, by the way, when I got you that shot, I didn't know what I was doing was sterilizing you. I didn't know I was depriving you of a future life or a future family or a future anything else. These are painful conversations. But what we have to do is exercise now the readiness to have grace and mercy. And for those of us who have been outspoken in this movement, it's even more particularly problematic because the very people who are the perpetrators are the ones who also directly damaged us. Right. So it becomes a really interesting exercise. Do you have mercy and grace for, you know,

the parent that wrongly advised their child to get a shot? Well, that's different. But do you have the same ability to have tolerance, mercy, and grace for the person who froze your bank account and who, you know, blacklisted you and took you off of podcasts and took you off of YouTube and took you off of social media and cut your means of, you know, earning an income and all these things. Is that mercy and grace also available? And the answer is without transparency, without some sense of contrition, and without some form of reconciliation, the answer is it goes to chaos. And it's, I was going to add even the people who ostracized you from society.

Yeah. Well, and if you're outspoken now, you lost. some set of whether it was family, friends, social status, something out there you lost. And as such, you know, it is incumbent on all of us who are in this particular side of this equation. It's incumbent on us to access something which is a level of humanity that most of us have never been able to access, which is the ability to really sit in that awkward space of going, I'd love to settle a score, but I can't. And I can't say I told you so. I can't do any of the things that my brain wants to do. I have to actually say, can I

human in a moment where you met me within humanity. And that's a tough, that's a tough order. Yeah, that's, it's basically Jesus. Well, you know, I think that's why we have social metaphors, right? We have those metaphors because the answer is, that's what we're going to be asked to do. And so are we ready to just face up to it? And I've said many, many times, have we modeled a humanity that we want to aspire to? And the answer is, this is what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is being human is actually not falling for the lowest of our angels, but going for the highest of our angels. Can we do that? And a lot of us have scores to settle because that's the way we've been programmed. You know, you're a hockey player. You know what it's like when you know that in the first period

somebody was kind of playing on the edge and, you know, you have an opportunity to do a check that might be a little bit off, but, you know, it's the third period and you need to do what you need to do, right? We're programmed as a society to have some sense of justice. where we need to settle the score. And the question in this particular instance is, can we rise above that, which is a tough thing to do. Well, but it's interesting because I'm like, you know, I actually don't wish anyone ill harm.

I think even on the highest level, Justin Trudeau, I just want them out of power. Can we just get them out of power and start to, you know, do things differently? But it's interesting to me, you know, even being at this event, because there's certain people, you know, you're like, oh, you've got to treat them a certain way. Okay, fair enough.

But they haven't even, they don't even realize there's a problem yet. Like, they have no idea. Yeah, and I'm not sure how much I can accept that that's actually the case. I think that by now, there is a willfulness. You know, there's a very interesting legal standard in the United States called the willful practice of ignorance. This comes from a very interesting ruling where somebody couldn't find a thing because they hid it in a place that was allegedly inaccessible.

think in that particular case, it was files that were hidden in a salt mine or some ridiculous thing like that. And so allegedly, people couldn't have known what was there. Well, they knew enough to hide it there. And so somebody did know that you could hide something in a salt mine. And the court was opining on whether or not, because it was in a remote location, inaccessible, whether that was something that was exonerating people from information that they should have been able to access and the court used the term willful practice of ignorance. In this day and age, if you still are injecting any population with MRNA, which is an experimental gene therapy, you are willfully ignorant.

This is not because the information is not out there. If you thought that these things were safe and effective, you are willfully ignorant because by 2018, all the ingredients that went into these shots were known to be toxic agents. I don't care what you think you think was the justifying morality. the fact of the matter is you are willfully ignorant. You are not reading the science. And I'm not talking about obscure science. I'm talking about obscure documents like the Lancet and the British Journal of Medicine and the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. I'm talking about those really remote, obscure, very difficult to find documents. The fact of the matter is, if you still

are doing it, you are willfully ignorant. This is not something that is an oops accidental. I should have not, you know, listen to this guy. I should have done my own research. No, you are willfully not looking. And you can't willfully not see the death and destruction and disability that's coming from these shots. You can't not see it. And so anybody who pretends to be hiding behind this diaphanous veil of, oh, well, there are different schools. No, there aren't. There are dead bodies that are coming from the injection. There are people who on camera passed out, fell down, died. There are athletes that died suddenly on fields. There are numerous, numerous. There's so much story that it's just you can't escape it.

Yeah. Well, that's interesting, right? My brain always goes. They're just, you know, everybody always goes bread and circuses, right? They're watching, you know, when we were talking about the Four Nations Cup earlier. Yeah. Who doesn't want to go watch it? I want to watch the United States play Canada in the finals.

Well, I'd love to see Canada beat the United States. There I said it. I'm an American and I said it. But it, but it's interesting because I'm like, that's literally two hours. And okay, it was over the course of 10 days or two weeks or whatever. works out to. I'm like, there was a whole six months or two year, a goal year time frame before that, that wasn't even a conversation. Yeah. To just say, oh, bread and circuses get thrown every time to keep people off the track. What you're pointing out is like, the evidence is just, it's,

it's a mountain at this point. Well, and now we actually have a whole term, PVS, post-vaccine syndrome. Like, that's as ludicrous saying that statement is as ludicrous as saying vaccination when you should have said gene therapy, right? Because this never was a vaccination. It never was a public health measure. It was never about disrupting infection or transmission. In the best of days, what they said was it decreased, allegedly decreased the severity of hospitalization. But if you go to the Imperial College of London right now and look at their how many lives were saved because of the vaccine, right? This is the BS story that comes from, oh, that's right, the same idiots that brought us the death rates of how many people were going to be dying in the streets when the alleged pandemic got started.

So the same people who were now thrice decredited and had to pull papers because they were full of BS in their publications. Those people are the ones that told the world that there are 18 to 20 million lives that were saved because of the vaccination. Well, tiny little problem if you read the assumptions in that model, which, by the way, nobody bothers to read. They read the headline, 18 to 20 million people saved because of vaccination. They never bothered a the actual language in the paper, which says all of these conclusions are based on a mathematical model that assumes that vaccination stops infection. Newsflash, none of the manufacturers even made that claim. So the Imperial College data, based on assumption that not

even one of the manufacturers even alleged is now the reason why we're saying, well, they saved lives. No, they did not. They cost lives. What we know is that every animal trial that involved the lipid nanoparticle, every animal trial that involves pseudo-eurdean led to 100% fatality. And we went ahead and put those things into the shots. I'm sorry, which part of safe and effective did I misread? You know, this is not, that's why I said it's willful ignorance. And all of the ingredient list was established to be toxic in publications in scientific journals by 2018. So there's no chance that this was an accident. There's no chance it was best available information because they didn't include any of the adverse events which are including death and death

and death and cancer and death and heart disease and death. I don't know which part of death we're not getting. those were all out there and known prior to the first day of vaccines are going to be how we get out of a pandemic. You get to sit and listen to us Canadians, yeah, we're on today at lunch. Yeah. When you see what's happening with our political system and the fact that we're probably days away from Carney being our next prime minister, I just assume. Yeah. What do you think? Well, so interesting enough, I have a fairly universal view of the current Occidental political scene, and I don't care whether it's Canada.

of the United States or Europe. Because at the end of the day, this is all theater. And it's all theater. Because the fact of the matter is the public needs to start understanding. And I've tried to point this out for a long time. I wrote my novel Cuda 12. And in the book, I talked about the fact that 12 shareholders were the ones that controlled the global economy.

And people sat back going, no, that couldn't be just 12 people. I said, yeah, actually, there can be. I've said about the President Trump election. And specifically, Vice President J.D. Vance. you know take peter teal the CEO of palenteer and the largest beneficiary of government contracts around the COVID pandemic because he was into the data tracking and to the public surveillance and all of the cool stuff go back and look at bob mercer the guy who was the checkwriter also for the trump campaign who happened to be cambridge analytica during the last round of this nonsense right when they

got into the manipulation of information and public tracking of people and all that kind of stuff Bob Mercer and Peter Thiel are two of the largest checkwriters for the Trump Vance ticket, and Peter Thiel is the self-made checkwriter who put J.D. Vance on the map. Now, why is it we're not talking about them? We're not talking about them, and we're not talking about the economic benefit that Pallantir received. We're not talking about that because, oh, we're not supposed to actually pull the curtain back and go, oh, what's behind the wizard curtain? Who's really pulling the levers? And the fact of the matter is, I don't care where you are on the planet, right? right now. The answer is if you think you're living in a democracy, by excluding public votes,

which we know is happening here in Canada, where you have this bizarre system, not unlike a lot of the other Commonwealth countries, where the people who are in leadership aren't really people in leadership, you didn't really elect them. You have this little shell game that you call parties and commissions and coalitions and all kinds of other nonsense. But at the end of the day, what you have is the most compromised person who's most manipulable, who will be advanced as the person in charge. And the fact of the matter is, that is in fact what we have all across Occidental politics. The fact is that we don't have a true democracy. If we did, we would have informed consent when it comes to the public sector. And we don't. We don't know the disclosures of financial interest.

We don't know who's the real hand behind the throne. We don't know those things. And because of that, you can't have an informed electorate and have, free and fair elections. I don't think there has been one in the United States since 1904. And that's a long way back. But if you look at the photographs of the inauguration of Roosevelt, and I said 1904, right? This is a long time ago. Yeah. Who was standing on the dais? Well, the executives of life insurance companies, the executives of the long-dated asset holders who were all wanting to, oh, that's right, set up the Federal Reserve System. You have Woodrow Wilson coming in his president who mysteriously suddenly becomes an advocate for a fractional reserve banking system that he did not have any knowledge of before.

Oh, no, hold on a minute. If you go back and you look, you see, he was elected by the people who wanted it. My point is, there is no part of this story that doesn't have an unseen hand effect, where the public, as much as people want to give a pat on the back and say, oh, I think we've woken up and I think we're really switching on. I've said at best we're coming off of Propofal in the recovery room at best We're still not authorized to drive heavy equipment yet We're still not behind the week Okay, well then let me let me I don't know if you can answer this question David 2021 we were talking at lunch

I knew if I know not even the pinky the tip of my pinky of knowledge right now of what you're rattling off I mean I didn't even realize I had a pinky back then Yeah Fair enough yeah So when I listen to you, I'm like, okay, I've been trying to get to the bottom of a lot of different things. And so, you know, like that's led me to a lot of different realms. You've been all over the country. World.

Apologies. I've listening to speak. I'm like, this guy is either the biggest, take your choice of word, or knows exactly what's going on. Yeah. I think a lot of us lean towards you know exactly what's going on. Yeah. The question, I guess, is like, how do you get the mass of people to even begin to understand that there's something going on to then change and try and do something that has maybe never been done in humanity? You're talking about 120 years ago, like, you know, and then you go, if we're kidding ourselves if we think it started 120 years ago.

Oh, right. There would have been hands, tapping hands and shoulders going way back to probably Egypt. I say, you know, 1604 is the modern of the pandemic. because 1604 is when we established the British East India Company and the Virginia Company and the Hudson Bay Company and the Dutch trading companies and all that kind of stuff. So that's when this particular current regime was put in place. And that's the one we're living in right now. But you're exactly right.

We can go back and we can pick regime after regime. We can go back to the 1400s and we can deal with the amazing insights that we got out of, you know, the Duke of Sforza, who was famously during the papal states and the Italian establishment of kind of the banking system, we can talk about how he innovated and engineered counterfeit currencies that is a means of warfare. We can go back before that to the Changas Khan era, and we can talk about the Kubla Khan. But here's the point. Here's the point. The question is, are we prepared for the cognitive dissonance that is fundamentally the problem, which is we as a human species have adopted at least for the last thousand and a half, probably two thousand years? Certainly Roman Empire.

We've adopted this notion that to be outspoken as a critic of the establishment means you're a heretic. I've said this epigenetically as a fact. If you are alive today, you are alive because of the lives of cowards. That's a true statement. Because if you're an accidentally derived person, somewhere along the line, the heretics, the thought leaders, the Renaissance people were murdered because they spoke out. against critics. So is it a wonder that we now have a world filled with complacent, acquiescent people? No, it's not a wonder. It was engineered that way. When you have public executions in town squares during the Middle Ages, and you have people burned at the stake, beheaded, whatever it was,

right? The people who are our ancestors were the cowards that didn't speak out. So is it any wonder that we have a world full of cowards who don't speak out? No, because that's what we were bred to be. So let's get really, really, really nasty, detailed, like, let's get precise. We are the offspring of the people that survived not speaking out. So genetically or epigenetically, we have a memory that says, raise your hand and you get your head chopped off. Now, that doesn't mean that we cannot switch on the wild type gene that gets back to humanity. But what it does mean is if we make the mistake of going to the very public sector,

which has been our slave owners and masters. And we go, hey, why don't you reform? That is ludicrous, because the system that was designed in 1944 at Bretton Woods, the most recent giant social engineering exercise. And you know the names, White and Morgenthau. You know these names. Oh, that's right. You don't.

You don't know their names because you were told that the World Bank just happened and the World Trade Organization just happened. And the UN just happened. And all these things just happened. No, they didn't. In July of 1944, at Bretton Woods, a group of people got together, less than 100 people in the final meeting, and really architected by only three people, they said, we're going to just take over the world. And you know what happened? They did. Three people took over the world and established the institutions that we now sit there and pretend are, oh my gosh, these immutable things in public circles. And the fact of the matter is, No, they just got together and said, we can do it. And the reason I'm saying that is because there's no reason why the wild type gene in humanity can't do the same thing. Three or four of us could get together and say, let's declare people.

My question then is, you've been all over the planet. Yep. While I agree with the statement, you come from cowards because they would have spoken out in there, yada, yada, where you're sitting right now, maybe not this point. But I look at where I live. Yeah. I was telling you about coming from the farm and that farm being there since 1911 and those people leaving Britain and striking out

and that is a special type of person. There's no question. And when I think about it, a lot of what you said is very true. But I come from a bloodline and I think a lot of people do out west here where they are not far removed from telling the government where to stick it. Yes.

Because they had no choice because, I mean, they're going to freeze to death. They're going to do all these different things. Like the frontier was just here. My answer is to David Martin. The first of the David Martins to show up in the new world back then. 1727, on the ship, Mali, got off the port, Philadelphia, walked up to south-eastern Pennsylvania, built the family farm that we currently still have Martins living in to this day.

That David Martin left Europe because his father was tortured in a prison at Truckenwald Castle in Germany, tortured for 17 years for being a heretic. That David Martin and his brother came over to America. and built what is now the homestead, which is still near Weaverland, Pennsylvania. Now, to your point, he left, against unspeakable odds, his wife died on the ship crossing. Like, the stories of that whole journey are absolutely amazing. But we have to tell the truth in this, that what we have are people who were capable of saying, I am done with the established order, and I'm going to go out on my own.

But what we don't have, and we don't have this across most of civilization, is we don't have the people who stayed and transformed from within. What we have is people who left. The problem we have now is we don't have places to leave. To go. Okay. So when we had the westward expansion, when we had back then, I mean, when 1727, when my ancestor showed up, guess what? Southeastern Pennsylvania was the edge of the known world, right? So he went as far west as you can go. Then it was probably 70 miles from Philadelphia. But, you know, if you look at the land grant, the land grant that he got from William Penn's son was the place that he had and points west. Well, how far west is southeastern Pennsylvania? If you draw a line, it goes all the way through the middle of the heartland and comes out somewhere near the Oregon, California border. Here's my point. My point is we don't have a place to go, which means now we have a challenge that we didn't have in the 18th century. The challenge we have now is what happens if we have to stay. And this is a very interesting social experiment. That's why I get so passionate about it, because this has not been done in the modern narrative of human history. How do we do the transformation

from within? And that's the reason why I'm so passionate about what I'm doing, because I think that the heretic that I'm born from, right, that was, you know, people beheaded and people executed, and people drowned in the Lehmont River, and people tortured in the Trucunvald Castle. That's the lineage that runs in my veins. And so it's only appropriate that I would be exactly where I am right now, which is to say, okay, let's lead the heresy now. Let's actually go ahead and transform the entire narrative, challenge every one of the establishments and take them on from within. And that's exactly what we're doing. That's an interesting question. That's where we're going to leave it. I know everyone's going to be like, what are you doing, John? But I'm like, we got an event to go to. I'm glad

you gave me some time because I wasn't going to do this, folks. I was a poor judgment on my part. I was like, I'm going to leave the speakers alone. And you're the one who said, oh, let's go do it. So I appreciate you doing this. And at some point, I'm going to find a way to have you back on. Listen, we'll make it soon. And this conversation is the one we need to be having.

We need to be having the conversation about where do we switch on that gene that says being a heretic is something that we can aspire to. Where do we find that gene within us? Where is it in your narrative of 1911? Where is it in my narrative 1727, 1729? Where is it in our narratives where we can go, and that wasn't that far back? And we have the ability to switch these things on. And what we have to know is that if we do it together,

if we do it in a collective sense, we will actually prevail. Sir, thanks for doing this. I appreciate it. Absolute honor. Thank you very much for having me.