Shaun Newman Podcast - #812 - Tom Luongo & Alex Krainer

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

We discuss the new Prime Minister of Canada, Trump aligning with China and Russia, democracy vs autocracy and consensus politics vs power politics.Tom Luongo is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian, and economist whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. He hosts the Gold Goats ‘n Guns Podcast.Alex Krainer is a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. Cornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastSilver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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I'm talking about Tom Luongo, Alex Craneer. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. I'm joined today by Tom Luongo, Alex Traynor, which, boys, it has been a stint. This is the 18th time. But I was thinking, like, Tom came on. I'm like, man, I feel like I haven't seen you. Kind of want to reach through the screen, give you a virtual hug.

The last time you two were on November 27th, 2024, that's, that is a long time for us. So either I've been avoiding you, you guys have been avoiding me. I don't know what the heck's been going on. Lost in translation. Well, all right. If we're all being honest, I've been avoiding you. Yeah, boy. It's Canadians.

Like, you know, at this point, I'm like, you know, I hate you all. Well, we are booing your national anthem, it seems, Tom, every game, even here in Eminton. I thought, Eminton will never boo it. They started booing it. We're removing all the liquor off of every shelf, pretty much in every province that's American made. So there's that.

Yeah, it's been really interesting. I was kind of curious your guys' thoughts. We can go wherever you want today, but I just want to start on the fact we have a new prime minister. Let's start with, let's start with this U.S. Canadian war that, you know, we've turned everything into the South Park movie. You know, we've gone to the war with Canada. And it's because it's indicative of a lot of things.

It's indicative of the extent to which the world has Trump derangement syndrome and actually how much the world actually hates America, which I think is a very efficient and effective sciop of, Alex will be shocked here, British origin and certainly European origin as well. And it's a cultural thing. It's a cultural thing. And we see it here in the United States. The same people that have, that hate Trump here in the United States are the same people that hate Americans in Canada and hate Americans over in Europe. And it's the same, it's the same cohort of people. And it's, and it's about, and I think it's a class warfare thing. I really do. I fundamentally believe that, you know, we don't know our place in the, global order of things, which is that we're just supposed to be, you know, we're just about to bore, know-nothing Americans who have no right to stand up for themselves. And we're in a

moment in time where we're watching, the best way to describe this, or one of the best best ways to describe this is as the kind of narcissistic family system problem, right? I'm going to, this is important. It's a psychological thing. When you're, when you've, we have a group of, we have our parents, metaphorically speaking, are European. Right. And we're always kind of looking for approval from, we've always been kind of looking for approval from them. And moreover, we have Canada, which was set up after the revolution or during the revolution to be the anti-United States. Because remember, the Canadians were asked to join the American Revolution. And y'all didn't. You all chose to stay with the crown and then chose to fight with the crown in the war of 1812, which apparently is a big deal that you guys talk about. about how you kicked our asses in the war of 1812. I know that's cope, by the way, on the part of Canadians. I don't know how much we talk about it.

I mean, like, honestly. I haven't, I don't know, but I know that having spoken to some people about this, that this is taught quite explicitly at the, in Canadian schools. That there's a version of, Canada's version of history is very, you know, of that period. So let's just, let's just get, let's just get through the, the, the certainly. Certainly, Tom. When it comes to Canadian hockey, we parade around how many times we beat you. And every once in a while, 18, 12 slips in there because we kick their asses back to the White House.

That is certainly in there, certainly. And look, as far as as hockey is concerned, no argument. Like, it's not even an argument. I would prefer Western Canadian defensemen over just about everybody other than maybe finished third line centermen. I'd take your goalies right now. I'd take your goalies. Well, eventually we're going to get good at something. So, but this is a, what we're watching right now is literally us being treated as children of narcissistic parents who are like, dude, how dare you stand up for yourself?

How dare you say, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're Americans and we don't want to fight your war for you anymore. And we don't want to fund your social welfare states. And how can you, what do you mean you don't want to take care of us in our old age and our dot age? Like, what are you out of your minds? What's wrong with you? And it's literally everywhere. And if you look carefully, you will see what I'm seeing, which is that we have a fifth generation information war being waged. Absolutely.

And it's accelerated since the Zelensky meeting in the White House. Planes falling out of the sky. The American ships running into each other. Elon Musk is now the new Hitler. Have you noticed this? At every turn, Elon Musk is now the new Hitler. And I have this on authority from people watching the German meeting. at like a hawk going oh yeah absolutely every third headline is about how evil Elon Musk is like now

this guy is throwing rockets up in the air and catching them and then all of a sudden two of them blow up in a row there's a massive DDoS attack against Twitter yesterday yeah they're they're now activating blue anons to blow up cyber trucks all over the united states this shit's coming it's already here we are now are now in a full-blown fifth generation information color revolution scenario in the United States over our declaring independence. And the way they're keeping everybody in the bubble is to say, see, Trump doesn't know what he's doing. Trump is engendering a global recession. Trump is going to kill the stock market. Trump is going to do this. Trump is going to do that. Trump is going to do all these things. The reality is that all these things are fake. The market

are fake. Everything's fake. And they're going to focus on the stock market. Has anybody noticed the rally in the U.S. bond market? Has anybody noticed the collapse between U.S. and European bond spreads? Has any, all the shit that I've been talking about for three years in the financial markets have all come their head in the last two weeks since Trump cut off USAID and it started imposing tariffs. Everything is collapsing. And that's, and everything is collapsing. And that's and everything is happening. So what's going to happen next is they're pushing on all of this. So the dollar is getting killed.

But capital is being repatriated back to Europe. That's why the euro is at a dollar nine. Same thing with the British pound. The British, the UK, US guilt spread, the 10 year spread is pushed up to your 50 basis points. Got news for you. The last time it was 60 basis points. The prime minister lost their job and a queen was killed. September 22.

black rock blackmailing the bank of england over the pension crisis all that stuff that was at six that was a positive 60 basis points between the u.s and uh and uh and ukay bond spread it's all in the financial markets guys the real war is financial and the kinetic war and the fact that we refuse to go to war for them to go and get their collateral that they think they have the right to they have every right the world to get is anathema. And we have to be brought to heel. And so if we can't be brought to heel, then we have to be destroyed. That's what's going on.

And Canada's caught in the middle of it. And y'all are falling for the sciop. If you really wanted independence, you would demand that American whiskey be put back on the shelves. But you're not. Why? Because latently, y'all always hated Americans anyway. Same way that Europeans look down their nose at us.

Same way that American liberals from the Northeast hate. Tom, I'm married to an American. I got a ton of time for Americans, but I know you're not talking about me. No, I know. I'm talking about, like mostly I'm talking about the general population. Yes. The fact that. Ontario liberals, Edmontonian liberals, yada, yada, yeah.

Like the upper middle, the, the ones that see themselves as superior. And they've been encouraged to see themselves as superior to Americans. Why? Because we swear. Because we drink beer and we like NASCAR. Fuck you. NASCAR was always better than four. 01.

Now, I'm going with this from here on now, but you note it, you know, what's going on here. And you'll see it. You'll see it in the anglophilia of America, of the American Northeast. I used to be one of these people. Well, it's funny. There's, there's a growing sentiment in Alberta, specifically Alberta, about, uh, if this continues to go the way Canada's going, you know, Mark Carney's now in. Like, I, I, I can't see a bigger connection between the.

world globalist, elitist mindset than putting that guy in. I was just saying to you that, you know, like this, this stat shocks me. I want to pull it back up so I don't butcher it. This was Sheila Gunn-Reed with Rebel News. She had said that the Liberal Party disqualified 250,000 of the 400,000 registered liberals on the eve of the leadership election. And then I had another guy who was just on say that Carney pulled higher than Putin in his election, right?

like you're just like it's so blatantly obviously here in Canada yet what we're doing is we're focusing on the United States we're pulling your you know we're being told to pull all of things American meanwhile we're getting 100% tariffs on Knoa and a few different things from China and that doesn't even make it doesn't make the headlines and you might argue the dollars aren't equal because obviously the United States is our largest trading partner but it's interesting to just watch it play out on this side. And the story plays on, I guess. So the one last thing, I don't let Alex come in here and let him, let him, you know, talking

me off the ledge here. But the thing with China announcing reciprocal tariffs, that's China's statement that they're citing with Trump against Europe. Alex, what do you think about those? Can you say that again? What did China do? China put reciprocal terror. China went on.

along with the United States and put reciprocal tariffs on Canada. Oh, right. Well, look, I was watching a, no, rewind for a second. So everything is said, Tom, is about what I was going to say except you said more things. I, you know, like I was going to, I was going to say that I find it very, very strange that practically from the day Donald Trump was inaugurated, the dollar euro, sharply reversed, but like sharply reversed went from below 103 dollars to the euro to 109 plus 1093 something today. In FX markets, this kind of move between two major currencies is very, very highly unusual.

The S&P 500 in the past few days, the NASDAQ, it feels like the United States is under attack. Twitter's under attack, allegedly from originated from Ukraine hackers. This is very clearly, well, I can't say very clearly, but this is very likely an economic attack against the United States because exactly as you say, this is the playbook of the empire, you know,

as as they did when they attacked Chile and Kissinger said, first, you have to make the economy screen. So when the economy goes to shit, then everybody turns around and blames Trump for it. And then they do their dirty work and try to sideline him, sabotage him, make him relent, make him ask for ceasefire. And China, yes, it is very clear that something's going on there. Because I watched Trump's press conference about two days ago or three days ago, whatever it was. And some reporter asked them something about China. And he said, yeah, we have a very good relationship. I have a very good relationship with Xi Jinping.

And he said, you don't hear me talk about the China virus anymore, do you? And then he said, yeah, I had, I talked to Xi Jinping. And then almost, almost as a side note, he said, we talk a lot. He said that. We talk a lot. So there's no doubt in my mind. that something's going on that we're not being told and that there's a new and a real fault line is forming now between United States, China and Russia on the one side and then the old

colonial oligarchic Europe on the other side. And the old oligarchic colonialist Europe has its satellites, you know, Canada, one of them, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Wobbly, Is it still, you think? Japan. And it seems to me that it's one of those situations where you can't be transactional. You can only be strategic in the sense that you have to choose your side. So you can't like favor the empire, the globalist, the Davos crowd and London, a little bit to, you know, profit off of this and that situation and then oppose them a little bit on other issues because then you're like trying to sit between two chairs and you're going to fall on your ass down. You have to choose where you're sitting. And so judging by, you know, obviously Trump cannot come out and say in public, hey, guess what? We're siding with Russia and China because, you know, people would go crazy.

But, you know, you get these very subtle jabs against the Brits, against the Europeans, the behavior when, when, you know, Macron comes to visit, Starmor comes to visit, André Duda comes to visit, Zelensky comes to visit. You can see that they've chosen their side, that they're talking a lot with China, they're talking a lot with the Russians. And you can see that the other side are losing their shit. And so now, and I think this is a sign of weakness and impotence, they're attacking with everything they've got. They're attacking their economy. They're like Elon Musk is a Hitler, orange man bad. They're attacking X.

They're having these, you know, whoever this is, you know, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, or whoever the hell it is, they're attacking Tesla dealerships. But guess what? You know, these are acts of war. Yes, they are. The American nuclear doctrine says that they might employ nuclear weapons in case of attack against the United States, and then when they list all kinds of attacks that they consider as legitimate provocations to merit a nuclear response,

it includes cyber attacks. And Twitter is not just some private website, social media platform. Twitter is a strategic asset of the United States. People need to understand that. Elon Musk is a frontman, as all these oligarchs are, of state actors. So Twitter, attack on Twitter,

I'm 100% sure is going to be taken with utmost seriousness. And there's gonna be very, very serious warnings going out to the Brits. Because if the attacks are coming from Ukraine and it's not the CIA doing it or maybe rogue CIA elements, but we can imagine,

There's probably MI6 behind it, the Mossad's probably behind it. It's not the Russians. It's not the Chinese. So that's an act of war. So how do you respond to an act of war? You probably respond to a different kind of asymmetric warfare, which we don't know what it's going to be, but it's going to be something. And then last thing I wanted to say, the way for the United States to defend themselves from economic attack. And this might be where we talk a lot, a comment comes in,

is that the United States is going to go maybe sooner than we know to a dual currency system. They're going to do like the Chinese, where they're going to have an external dollar and an internal dollar. And so the external dollar is going to be used for foreign trade. The internal dollar is going to be for domestic transactions. And that way, the United States is going to be able to insulate itself from external shocks and from attacks. As Chinese have been able to insulate themselves, and guess what, they haven't had a financial crisis in 40 years. Whereas we in the West, we get financial crisis every couple of years. That's right.

And so I think that this is under consideration under the Trump administration and the attacks that they are. sustaining at the moment all over the place, they're going to have to respond. And 100% they're going to be coordinating those responses with the Chinese and with the Russians. Alex, on all those points, thank you for bringing that up, because that is, I think, the key to the understanding here is the two-tiered monetary system, which I, you know, you and I've been talking about this. I've been talking about it for almost two years now. And now let's go back and let's put some, some pieces together, right? breadcrumbs. Let's go back three and a half years to me talking about Sofa versus Libor and all of the stuff. And the Fed specifically putting very specific programs in place that if the foreign, the foreign markets need dollars, they have to go to the Fed to get them.

Okay. They can't go to the shadow banking system to get them in the United States. They can't go to the American banks because the American banks stopped taking. making European debt, for example, is repo collateral, which is what started this over crisis of 2019, which is what eventually gave us COVID. All of this is part of the financial warfare layout. So again, in very broad strokes, what I've been thinking is that we're going to have a domestic dollar. The Fed is going to be the arbiter of the, and it could be the transmission system for international dollars. And, you know, and also a source of domestic credit. We're pricing of domestic credit, but the domestic credit markets can operate on their own.

We don't need the Federal Reserve to regulate the domestic credit markets. We need the Federal Reserve to be there as a backstop in case the domestic credit market sees up. That's it. Lender of last resort, go back to the original conception of the Federal Reserve. Right? So with all of that in mind, I think that that's all, I think all of that infrastructure has already been set up.

And that goes back to what I was saying originally. How did we avoid the worst of the Biden Hunter? We did it through the financial markets. How did Trump survive? How did Trump even get like inaugurated unless there were loyalist factions within the U.S. military and or intelligence services backing his play? Okay. Like there's an entire unseen war that's happening. And all we have is the reflection of that war that we see in the headlines.

But there's a war over here and we're looking in the reflection of it in a mirror, right? We're not, we can't see the actual war itself because all we can see is the downstream effects of it. And that's the hardest part for people to wrap their brains around. But, you know, I just kept asking the question over and over again. Well, if I'm correct about this idea, then it would show up, the reflection of that idea would show up in these events occurring. Joe Manchin and Kierston Sinema standing up against build back better and the infrastructure bills, blah, blah, blah. It would show up in these things.

It would mean a response from Jenny Ellen to support Christina Lagarde's yield curve control between U.S. and, you know, European debt. It would show up in all of these various areas. And when the United States finally said, that's it, we're done. We have now decided we can go on offense, not defense, once Trump is an offense. inaugurated. That's what we've done. Cut off USAID, cut off the national end up democracy, you know, start to put on the tariffs, do the thing. And now the United States is going on offense. And what's been the response of Europe?

We actually consider the United States an enemy of Europe financial times. Chrissia Freeland sat there and said, we should or we should organize a nuclear alliance with France and Britain against the United States. Yes. Okay. Like that's been their response. Their response has been nothing short of histrionic overreaction. It is now, and this is the kind, and what they were hoping for is that the political pressure would come, would swell from underneath that those that are still your files and anglophiles would put enough political pressure on Trump to get him to stop. So what you're seeing right now is nothing but a classic divide and rule play to undermine Trump's authority. How are you doing that?

you create the you created a fiasco with the epstein files and then you activate every fucking retard on twitter along with british operatives saying this is clearly trump is clearly uh compromised and pam bondi works for the fucking msad blah blah and all this bullshit and like like and you're watching the libertarians all screech horribly about the epstein files like why are you caring about that the guy's talking about peace in Ukraine. And you guys are focusing on that. Trump comes out and says, okay, I've got to negotiate with Putin. I'm feeling a little bit of this pressure, right?

So what does he say? In response to the Russians making a major offensive against Ukraine in order to take back Kursk and push towards the Denepe River in order to take the territory that they want to claim in negotiations, which is exactly what the Russian should be doing from a strategic standpoint. What does Trump say? I will sanction the Russians. Why he's doing that in order to allay the fears that he is some kind of Russian stooge.

I literally had a guy in Gainesville at a party tell me that Trump is a traitor for not going after Crimea. And this guy is not a shit lib. But I looked at him and I just turned and I said, Ed, for fuck's sake, this is not a game of diplomacy. We don't we should not give a crap whether Russia has a one. warm water port unless of course you're playing the British in this game of diplomacy unless of course you're playing France in this game of diplomacy I'm playing the United States I give a fuck about

Crimea as a matter of fact in this game of diplomacy I would be siding with the Russians to take Britain and France off the board because that's how I win exactly exactly that's we can't quite do that yet we has to keep playing this game now here's here's one for you folks Did you see that Larry Johnson and Judge Knapp and Mario Nauphel went to the to Russia, to Moscow? You see this? Okay. FYI, I was just telling Sean before you came on. Originally Glenn Greenwald was supposed to go with them, right?

And Glenn had the back out. Larry Johnson called me up and asked me if I wanted to sub in for Glenn Greenwald and said, would I be open to that? Now, the Russians denied, you know, didn't go with me. Didn't approve me, but I was on the list to go onto that meeting to meet with Lavrov and Zacharova and do the week in Moscow. That's, to give you an idea, the Russian foreign ministry, which we know, has been holding multiple meetings a year with American journalists and American commentators in order to, you know,

be able to have good conversations and clear the air. What is Trump trying to do? He's trying to do diplomacy. And what are we not allowed to do in 2025? We're not allowed to have diplomacy. We're not allowed to discuss weighty matters like, I don't know, nuclear fucking war with the Russians because that's anti-American. So this is the mindset.

And that mindset has been fostered. in classic fifth generation informational warfare means to create this divide. And it's been done on purpose to radicalize as many people as possible in Canada, Australia, Europe, Germany, specifically the UK, because America refuses to be a good ally. They're trying to shame us. I'm like, this happened the other day, like Frank Walter Steinmeier, the president of Germany was out there complaining about this stuff. And I literally tweeted out.

I'm like, I'm sorry. But in 2025, I do not get to be shamed by a fucking German about war in Europe. Sorry. Not happening. Yeah, I'm just a mouth-breathing American. Fuck you. And that's the way we have to treat these people. That's the way we have to combat this.

They're not allowed to speak in public about these things anymore. They need to be shouted down. They need to be just, they need to be marginalized to the point. No, really? You're arguing for nuclear war with the Russians. Okay. That's your position. Well, no, not really.

That is. That's your position. We're saying no to that and we're the unreasonable ones. It's insane. But guess what? It's worked. All the American whiskey's coming off the shelves in Canada. I'll still buy a bottle of 40 Creek Barrel.

select by the way. CC Classic 12. I like certain Canadian whiskeys I like and I'll still buy them. I'll even happily buy them with the Canadian dollar at $1.46 and 10% tariff on it. I don't give a shit. It's still cheaper than the crap that the Scots are playing out at this. Did you know there's a lawyer from Alberta leading a delegation?

Yes. I saw that guy. He's, he's got on the podcast lawyer Jeff Rath. Yeah. And he's coming back on actually the day after this one airs. And, yeah, there's a whole bunch of Albertans specifically. I'm sure they're Canadians too.

I should put that out there. They're Canadians that are watching this all play out. We're like, we're just getting played. Like, I mean, we've been staring at all the other nations getting played. And right now we're getting played, right? Like, and it's just wild to watch. I'm really curious. There's been this question.

And I don't know if either of you can answer it. So I'm going to throw it out there. It's a very, you know, we have a new prime minister in Canada, right? He's going to be sworn in, Mark Kearney. He's tied to every, I mentioned this off the hop. He's tied to, you know, like, just he's the, I don't know. What was the name they called him the other day, folks? I think Brett Olin from Bull Valley Credit Union said, or was it Grant Abraham?

One of the two said in England, he was called the Dark Lord when he worked for the bank of England. That's who our next prime minister is going to be. And I'm just like, maybe I'm overblowing this a little bit. But I'm like, when you got the Dark Lord, about to be the prime minister of Canada. I don't feel like I'm overblowing it. I'm just kind of curious, though, living in this country,

I wonder what other people think. Like, do you guys even care who the next prime minister of Canada is? Are you like, this is a big deal? This is a small deal. Like Canadians wake the hell up. Like, or is this, you know, Pierre Pollyev's going to be in in a couple of months. Don't worry about it. Well, what I'll say is this.

And I'll let Alex pop in. But being American, I think my relationship here's, I think is important. I do care because Mark Carney does represent the worst or the worst factions within the global oligarchy. And this is a stopgap move in order to push to get push through as much bad shit as possible. What we're finding out from Doge, right, is that the Biden administration was shoveling as much money out the door to newly minted NGOs, using my scare quotes, as possible in order to do the thing in order to try and get. as much money out there to fund all of this fifth generation warfare stuff as possible. Well, it makes perfect sense then that they would put Carney in charge of Canada at this point. I think there's two things going on here.

One, I think the British Crown is trying to reassert control over Canada because I think Carney works for the British Crown first where Freeland maps to Ukraine and to directly to Davos, even though they both have deep ties to both, right? I think there's something else going. I think something is going on there. And that may be. Sorry to interrupt. And if I may, Freeland's son's godfather is Mark Carney. And Mark Carney and Christia Freeland are from Northern Alberta. It just, it doesn't make any sense on this side. The entire thing just just hurts my brain. And on top of it, everyone, everyone's wrestling with why now? Why would they run him right now? Yeah, it's a good question. It has to be that there's, there's, I don't know. It's a good question. It is a very good question because we know that the Canadian banks, for example, the ones that shut down the debanking stuff during the trucker's crisis.

That's what brought the Canadian Senate out of irrelevancy for, you know, a brief shining moment. For a brief shining moment. So I, yeah, it's a good question, Sean. Alex, I don't know if you, I don't know if you have a different insight on it. I love to hear it. Well, I have my son harassing me here to the, to my left, which is right on your screen. but it's okay I think it's great that Karni is going to be

the Prime Minister of Canada because you know the farther this goes the the harder it is for them to do their dirty deeds in how do you call it behind the scenes it's all coming into the light and so you know Karni

the the dark lord of finance yeah I also heard that the dark lord of finance is becoming the prime minister of Canada how curious is that, isn't it? I mean, it's going to be very difficult, you know, in the same way that right now is becoming extremely difficult for anybody to pretend that Britain is being led around

the leash by the evil United States into all these imperial misadventures just out of sheer loyalty and as a friend and an ally, it's becoming obvious to everybody that Britain is the, you know, the instigator of the conflict. And now we're getting to that Lord Acton, 150-year-old quote, which he said, the issue that has swept down the century, down the centuries, and which will have to be fought sooner or later, is people, versus. the banks. And now we're having bankers everywhere. You know, Mario Monti, Mario Draghi, Friedrich Merritt's. Okay, he's not a banker, but he's a, you know, BlackRock. Emmanuel Macron, Mark Carney. It's kind of becoming very obvious. And now his whole, okay, so I've followed Mark Carney for many years now. for many years now.

And at first I thought, wow, really smart, really sophisticated. I listened to many of his interviews, speeches, articles he published here and there. But then, you know, as you pay attention, you realize that they're just going on a script. And the man is actually very unimpressive. In fact, I even think that he's somehow like a dullard

who's very good at reading the script. You know, like he's like one of those acts, you know, like he can read the notes, but he couldn't improvise to save his life. Right, he's a music, he's a classical musician, not a jazz musician. Yeah, exactly. And you know, in global politics today,

there's a lot of moving parts. The old playbooks don't work quite so well. And I think it's all going to go down in flames. And then it's going to be much, much clearer to everyone what the actual fault lines are. And I just want to say this, when the dark lord becomes the prime minister of Canada, that may seem like a bad thing. But folks, we are winning. And remember how people were so worried and so scared about the global pandemic treaty. Remember?

Oh, my God. They're going to sign the global pandemic treaty. We're finished. We're dead. They're going to do this and they're going to do that and blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, what happened to that house of Congress? So I think that everything is falling, everything is imploding on them. And all these moves where they can no longer even be bothered to conceal their hand are showing that they're very weak, that they're panicked, and they're losing.

And it's not just that they're losing because Donald Trump became president of the United States. They're losing because they've already been losing badly up until that point, which is partly why American people elected Donald Trump in the first place. But remember the war in Ukraine, they lost it. Not only did they lose it, they're losing it so badly now that there's nothing they can do about it. And I mean, all of this big talk about it, you know the Europeans uniting and this and that and will bring the Americans back on. Three years ago they had Ukraine intact. They had the, with the exception of Turkey, the biggest

army in Europe. They gave them everything, all the most sophisticated weapon, you know, short of nuclear devices, they gave them all of the NATO's most advanced weaponry. They had their arsenals brimming full. And they imposed nuclear sanctions against Russia. By far the largest packet of sanction ever imposed against any country ever in history. And it all failed. And now they are in, they're defeated, they're just merely, making a big show of we can turn this around. The only way they could turn this around is somehow they managed to get rid of Xi, Putin, and Trump. And I'm sure they're going to try.

But neither one of those three is naive to this. So they're taking countermeasures. Yeah, no, I agree, Alex. I think the point is very, very well taken that they are losing. And we've been saying this for a long time now, you and I. Matter of fact, I think probably the entire time we've been coming on Sean's podcast. And kind of at every turn, they try this. It doesn't work.

They try that. It doesn't work. I use the term re-regard actions. You know, from the moment I declared Pete Davos, I think in an article back in 2020, when they tried to roll out Omicron variant on us. And it failed. And I went, whoa. you have now, you have now reached peak

Davos, folks. They have reached the peak of their ability to generate narratives and nudge us towards their more perfect technocratic future. And now it's just going to be a series of rearguard actions after this because the culture has turned against them. The zeitgeist turned against them. I hate to use that term, it's become

very overused, but it's true. And and the reason why it began to turn was because the United States banking system and its real military decided enough is enough. And we have to just come to grips with that understanding that I hate to say that, you know, we have to be, you know, we owe a debt to the banksters of the United States, but what happened? And they did it for their own reasons. They did it for themselves. They didn't do it to save humanity. Or maybe in their own way, they, maybe some of them

understood the, the real ramifications of what happens if, you know, we lose, which is that you lose the ability to do private formation of capital in the world. I was having an argument this morning on our favorite mailing list, Alex, I don't know if you're still on that mailing list, but in response to Larry Johnson, arguing a bit this morning with, with someone who shall remain nameless. And, you know, Larry Persis is interesting, his initial thoughts about what he, what he saw over in Moscow this week. And the response from this particular individual was it's all a Potemican village and it's all Russia's this and the 24% interest rates and all the, and like, none of that matters. I said this morning, I said, none of that matters because you're looking at a moment

when, one, the Bank of Russia has always been a fifth column within Russia because everybody there is, everybody who stabs it was IMF trained. They're all Western trained. Like, they're all discolumnists. When, you know, and at this point, Putin doesn't even care because when a, when a central bank gets out of the zone of economically viable interest rates, I've made this point in the past when it came to Turkey, for example, I've also made this point in the past when I came to Vietnam and others. And I brought it up this morning. I said, when they get outside of the zone, there's a zone where central bank policy has the most effect because it's the man for their money as opposed to the existing stock of money. There's plenty of money out there because anybody can

issue credit. The central bank can issue credit. Companies can issue credit. Pauble, you know, there's, there's the savings of the economy and everything else. When you have the interest rates of 21 percent, that's un-economic. No one's going to borrow it that rate. And if they they're going to borrow $200 in the microfinance market. You know, they're going to put it on the credit cards, which is that we have a microfinance industry here in the United States. It's called credit cards. So when that happens, what happens?

Do you have this interest rate up here? Well, other lenders can come in, private lenders can come in and offer business loans at much lower rates. Corporate debt can, can, the corporations can offer, you know, money, debt, to lend into the economy, And that's exactly what's happening in Russia. After I heard that argument this morning, I immediately went over to Grock and I took five minutes and I said, Hey, Grock, talk to me about the rise of private banking and private lending in Russia.

Find out dig deep, go into Russian sources. Like, don't use the financial times. Go in and within five minutes, it pulls up all sorts of cool information about how private lending in Russia has risen fourfold in the last three years. Now, is it fourfold off of a small base? Sure. Does it matter? No. What matters is that competition for credit still matters, that the central bank is not the only source of credit. If this was the case, Turkey would have imploded when Erdogan took interest rates to 30%. Vietnam would have imploded as a country in 2011 when the state bank of Vietnam went to 16 percent blah blah blah it doesn't you know the russian economy would have imploded when it had to go first

to 15 percent during the ruble crisis of or whatever it was during the ruble crisis of 2015 and now today at 21 this is not to say that it's not difficult and that the and that this isn't a problem it is but it's a manageable problem and the in this i this stupid idea that if we just attack your currency with a country that has, where a country with leadership that has political power, political power is stronger than financial power, especially in markets where the currency is marginal in the first place. So that's what you have to realize. And there's an asymmetric,

um, um, an asymmetric effect of central bank. policy on the actual economy. And this is actually very good news, folks, because it keeps proving over and over and over again that the central bank model of controlling credit is going to end. And what have we been talking about for seven years, Alex, you and I, the end of the central banking era of human history, which started with the formation of the first, the first central bank in the Netherlands and then affected by the Bank of England in 1694. That's where we are. And you're watching them go

through paroxysms of apoplexy. They just don't understand what they, they know how to react to that and only, the only react to it the way they always do. Punish the unbelievers, period. It's a cult, folks. And all you have to do is deprogram yourself to get out of the cult. And modern economists are all part, most respectable economists, are in the cult. That's the way it works. Well, you know, when you say respectable, that's how they become respectable, because, you know, you would today, if you didn't know any better, you would think that one of the most respectable economists out there are, uh, is, is Paul Krugman, unless you knew something about the subject

matter and actually read Paul Krugman and then you would realize that he's a complete idiot. Yes. But there's a reason why he's being, you know, held up as an authority, whereas there are many economists that are very, very well worth reading and listening to who are being completely marginalized, because this is exactly the point of the whole game. And I, you know, like another big issue is, you know, because we're ultimately, we're going to be talking about the systems of governance. And one of the big issues is this, I don't know how else to call it, but like a sentimental attachment to the concept of democracy that we have in the West.

Because that's how we've been raised. That's what we've been listening to all our lives. We've been told democracy good, dictator is bad. And, you know, that's almost hardwired now. And so I mentioned in one of two podcasts over the past few days, I mentioned, well, we have to rethink that because it's not necessarily true. And, you know, people push back and they say, no, you're wrong about that. That's not right. And I tell them, okay, well, I'll mention a few things because I want to step away from what they're telling us to believe and what they're telling us how things ought to be.

And I want to look at how things are. And if you tell me that this system is great, I want to see what does this system deliver? So if democracy is so great, so how come liberal democracies are always at war? How come they're always in crises? How come the standards of living are tanking? How come the life expectancy is starting to turn south? And so on and so on and so on. How come if people democratically decide about the fate of their society, how come they're getting all this nonsense like, you know, LGBT and pandemics and forced vaccinations and the passes and surveillance and censorship and, you know, getting arrested and all this.

And all that. Sounds like Canada. Carry on permanent wars because that's not what people vote for ever you know nobody wants that but we're getting it and the things that we do want we can't have them because we want you know safe streets and good education and and you know good health how come we're not getting that and so i said i you know i look at i look at how russia was before putin and after put And I look at how Libya was before Gaddafi and after Gaddafi. And I look at China under Xi.

And then I look at my lived experience because I was born in a one-party communist system in former Yugoslavia under the strongman Yossibros Tito. And the first 17 years, 18 years of my life, I lived under this one-party communist dictatorship. And then now I've lived for 28 years in Monaco, which is not a democracy either. And my lived experience, hands down, life is better under these non-democratic systems. And this shocks people, but I'm just telling them as I see things, you know, this is what I see. And you're telling me, why do you think the dictators are bad? because you've been brainwashed all your life with stories about dictators doing bad things. Well, you know, you can look at Vladimir Putin and then people say,

oh, well, he's a former KGB guy and he killed people and so forth. Hey, yeah, he was former KGB guy and so what? He killed people. No, you don't have any evidence of that. Nobody in Russia thinks that he killed anybody. And then look at how Russia transformed. since he's been in power. It went from a complete rust bucket to a respectable power. Standards of living for the people in Russia has improved. And then Russian own trust in Vladimir

Putin and approval rating of his job is higher than for any politicians in the West, other than Mark Carney, of course. Other than the Dark Lord, yes. Yeah. And, you know, this happened to be the people who, actually live under his leadership and who get to feel the effect of his leadership on their skin. So if they approve of it, what's our business having an opinion on that? You know, it's their business. And so I, you know, I say, look at all these cases.

And I know that what comes through the media is Putin bad. And you can't find any story that's even remotely balanced in that sense. It's always put in that. So when you're so attached to democracies, is it because you know that? Or is it because this has been spoon fed to you all your life? Anyway, I'm not arguing in, I'm not arguing in favor of dictatorship. Right. I'm arguing in favor of reexamination.

what we think we know. Because a lot of what we think we know, turns out it wasn't quite exactly true. You know, vaccines are safe and effective and so forth. We need to... The reason why I bring this up, among other things, is because there seems to be developments in the United States where Trump is starting to... kind of take authoritative authoritarian powers and there's even i don't know if you guys came across this i came across the second hand so somebody told me i didn't read it directly but apparently um

apparently uh teal what's his first name teal uh peter teal peter teal peter teal was explicitly stating that what the United States needs is a king and order crap a very hot how very hoppy of him i'm going to invoke hans herman hoppy and you're you're actually argue um Alex you've been arguing um the the hoppy in position of democracy of the god that failed um the book that hop wrote back in uh 2000 4 2005 um and he just went through it he's like look democracies don't work for these these these reasons and that the monarchy it you know he used the property rights argument that you know, the king is a superior form of governance because at least the king has a property right in his people. And people who have property rights generally want to defend their property.

And whereas with a democracy, you have nothing but tragedy of the commons at every level. And I've always, I've never disagreed with Hop on this point. It's in order to get the argument, to get the reframing of the argument started. I don't know what the best form of government is. I don't care what the best form of government is. What I care is about systems that are in place that reinforce culture and reinforce what people actually and reinforce the things that people actually want and they're reflective of their wants and needs, not the wants and needs of external players. And what we have through these quote unquote democratic institutions, when you push them in any way, manner, shape, or form are massively anti-democratic.

When the people choose wrong, we get a strong man that comes in and says, no, you voted wrong, do it again. Or we're going to game the system in such a way that you wind up with Christia Freeland versus her godfather, Mark Carney or whatever. You end up with the same situation. You wind up with a non-choice. What I was going to add in from a, you know, a socialist country perspective. You know what? I think you're hitting on, Alex, you know, is like, uh, is like these. these core arguments that we've had built into us.

And lots of people, you know, in the middle of COVID, I know for myself and a whole bunch of other Canadians and probably people all across the world. You had to come to terms with, is it that bad? Like it, is it that bad? Is it that bad? And, you know, you think you get through COVID and then you'll never have those moments again where you have to reexamine things. And one of them is Canada first versus Alberta first versus, you know, whatever first you

want to put there. And like, when I look at Canada, you're talking about. democracy right supposedly the best form of government under the sun supposedly or so i've been told we got a eugenics program called made that it is now uh 5% 4.7% of all deaths in canada is made how many i'm sorry 4.7% of all deaths are made dear god that's like one in 20 correct yeah that's correct that's the now if i may carry on we also have free drugs we had that that that that that that thing play out and BC you know people will be like oh you can't force people in treatment and all these different arguments and I'm like listen giving them free

drugs isn't the way and of course that's been blown wide open you've got all these things go on and we're seeing democracy in action with Trudeau now it's gonna be Mark Carney and I'm like the problem I have with democracy on my end and this has been why I'm leaning closer and closer to Alberta First Alberta Independence Alberta, whatever, is you look at it and you go, I don't know how to fix our system. Our system is so rigged. And the longer I stare at it, the more rigged it becomes. I mean, I just told you this, like every Canadian should hear, whether you hate liberals

or not. If you're a liberal, 250,000 people got disqualified the eve before the election of Mark Carney. It's just like mind boggling that that is even a stat. And we're in democracy, the free nation. We locked up people. we took people's bank accounts away on and on it goes and this has just been in the last decade you mean it is just what we're living here in can't go outside and you can go it's a free nation i love this place and everything but if you stare at this problem for longer than two minutes you start

to go the system we're working on ain't working well sean it's that when you look at it and you have no idea how to fix it is by design it's made that way so that you you can you can only think as far as the next person. So, you know, like, next election cycle, I'm going to vote for these people. And then the next election cycle, I'm going to vote for those people. And then they always tell you, well, you have to work through the institutions to solve your problem. But the institutions are designed as a maze that you can never get out of. And you can only choose between the candidates that they serve up to you. And they control the both of them. The thing about dictatorships, let's call them autocracies rather,

maybe it sounds a little bit less bad, is that, A, it's a myth that dictators don't care about the public support because even dictators are very, very sensitive to public support because they can be toppled and then, you know, they end up like Mussolini, like Chowcesterscu, like many, many, many of them. You know, once the anger boils over,

it's not like we're going to, vote you out and then you're going to go to retire, you're going to retire from political life and you're going to spend more time with your family. Now we're going to hang you by the neck until you're dead. That's what happens. And we're going to kill your whole family. So they are very, very sensitive to the will of the public and whether the people are satisfied with the rule or not. Second thing is that people in autocracies, people know exactly where the buck stops. There's no, you know, these institutions and lawfare and all of this stuff where nobody understand what the hell is going on. Somehow they all end up screwed, but they don't know exactly

how. It's just that the result is always obvious. What's not obvious is how exactly it happens or let alone how exactly to fix it. And that's by design. This is what they call liberal democracies. And this is also why the people who are the most vocal defenders of democracy are exactly these people that gather in Davos and George Soros and Alex Soros and so forth and all these bankers. They are always like bleeding hard defenders of democracy. As though I believe that George Soros is very concerned that I should have power and not him. Give me a break. Two things, Alex. One, beautiful freaking ram.

by the way, two things. One about Sean's point about Trump becoming a quote unquote authoritarian. What we're going to find out over the course of the next four years is what it looks like in the United States when we have a president who actually reads the Constitution and looks at the plenary powers that he actually has and then exercises those. And what you're going to find is that all the whining and like weird crap and how we're going to wind out, we're going to find out whether a whether a traffic court judge in, you know, Rhode Island is going to be able to stop the president from cutting off aid to,

cutting off, you know, USAID. I get news for you. He has that power. It's written right there in article, you know, in the Constitution. He has, what we've had is a series of presidents who have said,

you know what? No, in the name of, you know, going along to get along, we, we're not going. to do that. I'm not going to exercise my authority. Why? It's a good question. One, because most of them are globalists that are handpicked by the people who actually run the show. But there's another one. And what do they use? Again, go back to my original rant on this, to begin with the start

the show. Civility is a tactic, folks. It's a debate tactic to get you to stop stating your position. You don't have to, in any way, matter, shape, or form allow the other person to say, well, you can't talk like that. What's the biggest complaint people have about me? He's blunt and he's rude. Right? Tom's language is awful. He's a dick. Yada, yada, yada.

Fair. Guess what? It's a tactic, folks. It's, you know, it's true. Guess what? I do it on purpose. Why? To cut through the blunt.

bullshit because civility and false civility is a tactic to keep to de to defang you to make you respectable I'm not respectable I'm angry with a big chip on my shoulder because a bunch of fucking pedophiles are running around trying to turn the world into all those terrible dystopias that I read as a child and said I don't want to live like that So, you know, I'm sorry. Sun Su, never fight on ground prepared by your opponent. Civility is ground prepared by your opponent. The European Union, the British, they always, are the northeastern wasps, all of them,

every goddamn one of them, wrap themselves in the moral high ground and flower language like democracy and all these euphemisms for we're just going to gas you and kill you if you don't do what we want you to do how about fuck you no that's the world we have to get it we're going to get back to that's the world that Donald Trump is telling you that's the world that Vladimir Putin Putin's biggest mistake was trying to be civil with a bunch of uncivilized Europeans and now it's putting my nope putting my boots on the ground pushing in what are you going to do about it. But it's unacceptable. Yeah, exactly. Sorry. It doesn't work that way. The end, we are at the end of consensus politics and we are back to power politics because

consensus politics was always a lie. It was always a lie. It was always the iron fist inside the velvet glove to make you think that you had a say in the matter when they were literally beaten the shit out of you and. stealing all your money. I think we started a revolution in this country on a 3% tax on tea. Today they take 60% of our friggin' time. And they say we're not taxed enough. How about no?

How about go fuck yourself and we'll call it even. Like this is the attitude we all have to have. And I think like at some point, we literally just have to say that's enough. I mean, you know, I, and this comes from a deeply held philosophical perspective. No, my life is mine, not yours. You don't own it. And I don't have to listen to you anymore because all you do is tell me how I'm supposed to act as a slave. Again, no.

How about no? How about go fuck yourself? So yes, Sean, Alberta first. Yes, Tom, the great, you know, the people's, not the People's Republic, the, the Sunshine Republic of Florida, if necessary. We are under, this is why they are attacking us right now and trying to create a civil war between the falsely civilized and the truly civilized. The ones who say, you know what? I got weapons. I have kept them sheath because I wanted, because in the interest of people,

peace in the interest of trying to find, trying to find common ground with you people. There is no common ground with you people. Your common ground is submit or die. Like, I'm dealing with a bunch of Sith Lords. Peace is a lie. Star Wars was correct. Always. So, like, seriously, that's where we are, and we have to just admit that and move on. Now I'm unsheathing my sword and you don't like it. And you're going to watch Trump use the presidency in a way that we have not seen. And Well, already, we already have. Yes, we have. And we're going to see even more of it.

And it's going to be glorious. I'm going to sit back and I'm going to go, you know, I'm not going to clutch my libertarian Fifis over here. I'm just not going to get all said about it. I can't care. Because at the end of the day, what I hold philosophically about how I want to live my life is one thing. And how we have to deal with the fucking world that we live in is something completely

different. And the world we live in today is using my internal. philosophical conceit of wanting to treat people decently and live it and live my own life and take responsibility for all of my actions yeah i'd like to do that but i can't in this world because that's literally been weaponized against me so i'm at the point of going no and i can tell you every time i talk to somebody who's a tradesman or this or that or a lower middle class you know person just trying to get by do the thing and they find out what i do then they hear what comes out of my mouth and they go, huh, stop.

I don't need to hear anything else. All I need to know is one thing. What? When can we start shooting them? That's the attitude in America right now. And everybody better get their fucking heads around it. Because hell hath no fury about Americans scorned. Because we're the ones who fucked off from Europe.

There are no Western values. There is no Judeo-Christian tradition. We're Americans. We're the Europeans who fucking left. and we're Americans now. We're not European. And you can't shame us with the fact that we left. We left because you people suck.

Now, you don't like this rant. That's nice. You don't have to do business with us anymore. We don't need anything from you and we don't owe you anything anymore. Now, you can stand up for yourselves and we'll be happy to help you stand up for yourselves and throw off the same yoke that we're trying to throw off. Or you can send all our whiskey back across the border. Your choice doesn't matter.

It's all good because it's over. And that is what we all need to do. And at the same time, nobody, none of these people get a chance to speak anymore. And when they do start to speak and they, well, actually, you know what? Fuck you're, you, you, you, you wanted to put everybody who didn't get vaccinated into a camp. You wanted to cut my child's, you want to cut my child's dick off because, you know, he had a thought this week. How about no? and that's where we all need to be.

That's the mindset we need to be in. And once we're there, there's nothing they can do to us. And it all falls apart. So, all right, that's enough. I can do this for another 20 minutes, but I think we get the point. Mr. Wong, you got to be bottling up this stuff

and bring it to Calgary in May. Dude, I have an infinite well of this anger. Are you kidding? What Alex is alluding to, and we haven't talked about, but you both are coming to Calgary, May 10th of this year. That's what I was alluding to. Yeah. That's going to be, well, and there's a whole cast of characters, right?

Martin Armstrong in attendance, which should be interesting, you know. I spoke to Marty the other day for the first time we were on the podcast with Danny. And afterwards, I was chatting with Martin in an email. And he said, I said, looking forward to see you in Calgary. And I'm going to have them a podcast later in a week. And we're going to build a relationship. He said, that's if, you know, of course, they don't close the border between us in Canada. it would have been three now and then.

He's not wrong. I know. He's not. He's not at all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a joke.

I, you know, I already turned down two opportunities to go visit three opportunities to go visit in the UK. Because I thought, I can't take the risk of being detained and having my devices taken away from me. And I know too many people, I'm talking about between one and two dozen people that I know who got detained. A friend of mine who used to live in Monaco, she got detained for three days. She got detained at Heathrow and she was in detention for three days. And then after the three days laps, they threw her out of the country. She got a job for a British firm. She used to be a Barclays banker.

One of those people who got paid like a thousand pounds a day. And she got a job with, I don't know, what company in London. And, you know, before her papers came through, the immigration papers, work permit, residence, whatever you're supposed to get there. They already sent her on a business trip somewhere to Europe. Right. And then when she was flying back in at Heathrow, they say, who paid for your trip?

She's like, my company that I work for. And then they were like, sorry, your papers are not in order. And after three days of free detention, she got thrown out, lost her job. That's the free world. That's the liberal democracy that we're talking about. See, the United States came into existence exactly. as a reaction to this kind of abuse. And we're right back there.

We're right back in that. I was going to say, Alex, I have been offered by many people to come to Europe. And I've all, you know, from friends and contacts and whatnot. And I've, and every one of them, I've said, that's nice, but I'm not, I can't. I think the risk of being detained. And when we, honestly, Dexter White warned me about going to Canada two years ago the first time for the first cornerstone. He was like, dude, don't say anything while you're there. The frigging manis will come after you.

I mean, he was worried about it then. So. It's, yeah. Well, it's wild to me because I played hockey in Finland. And I remember being terrified of the border. I was just like, I want to get close to that border. And today, I think I'm more interested in going to Russia than I am the UK. I hear the stories and I'm like, I'm probably getting detained if I go to the UK.

I'm just going to assume maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. I could be wrong. But I look at it and I hear the stories. I see everything happening there. And I'm like, that's a, that's pretty unnerving. And what a wild thing to say. He's five years ago, for sure.

I would have said, UK safe, Russia bad. Right. And then I brought two guys to talk about the complete opposite in 2023. What a wild thing to do. town of Lloydminster. Anyways, May 10th, Calgary, folks, if you're interested to hear some people talk a little differently, that's going to be a time. And you can down on the show notes, if you're on the podcast, you can get tickets there.

If you're on Twitter, just go to the top of, it's the pinned post on my handle. So Tom, Alex, as always, appreciate you guys hopping on and doing this. We won't wait two plus months to do it again. We'll have you on soon enough. Appreciate you guys giving me some time today. Always a pleasure, Sean. Always warm greetings to everybody in Canada. I always love to visit and I look forward to it in May.

And despite the mouthful of inductives that I've hurled at the entire world today, I am also looking forward to deepening relationship with my Northern Canadian or Western Canadian brethren. I speak fully from the position of it's the United States burden at this point and to expiate our sins of thinking that we would be an empire to help free the Western world from this. That's where this is coming from. If you don't want to be freed, that's fine. That's your choice. But the people I spoke to in Alberta and the two times have been there, all I hear is exactly that. That's what they want.

But that's the thing. You know, everything we're talking about is not to do with people. It's to do with the governing structures. And the people everywhere, everywhere are about the same. You know, you always have a little bit of cultural idiosyncrasies. You know, Italians are like this, and the French are like that, and the Russians are like this, and the Germans are like that. What's the idiosyncrasy of the Brits?

They have bad teeth, and they're really, really, really nice. That's their idiosyncrasies. So, you know, I want to make sure that, you know, whoever's listening to this understands that you know because it's always the british the british the british it's not you know it's it's it's it's the oligarchy it's a label but it's the oligarchy right same thing in canada and uh yeah anyway so you know what the just the last final point of this to make this abundantly clear is that and what we're trying to elucidate here is that we have people who have been gassolid into believing something that's not true about each of these groups

of people that the we were like them yeah we we we I used to be one of them and I'm like at this I we've all been there folks and you know the process of waking up to the reality of of the divide and rule play is to realize that you know it's not it's not Trump that's the problem or Victor Orban or even Mark Carney it's it's at the end of the day it's you believing in the systems that they've created to make you think that there are divisions between us. when there really aren't. Like at the end of the day, we all want the same thing. You don't want to get up in the morning, teach our kids, you know, go go coach our kids'

tea ball team and go have a barbecue and, you know, and bitch about politics. Like, that's what we want to do, you know, and when I get together with people all over the world and they play frigging video games and we don't give the shit whether you're an American versus a Canadian versus, you know, anything else. All we care about is whether you can heal and whether you can tank and whether you can, you know, down the boss, you know what I mean? Like, can we work together for a common shared goal and have to have. a good time while doing it in the case of a video game that's the that's the goal at the end of

the day it's all well everybody should remember the christmas truce of two 1914 that's the that's the story of humanity that's the one that i would make it into national holiday in all of the western world there you go well it is kind of a national holiday most of the western world because it's christmas no it's already there okay i'll have to rethink that well we can we can we can add that into how we can add that in to layer that into how we sit down when we sit down for christmas dinner with our family and friends yeah hey let's call a truce and what do they always tell you not confront your your evil maga uncle what they say go in there and confront him get in his face about trump they've been doing this shit for in seven years now it's insane

yeah yeah because they have to destroy everything good and beautiful in the world because themselves, they're ugly and evil on the inside. And go look at them. Go look at their faces. Go look at how their bodies become on the outside of what they are on the inside. Remember, Star Wars was always right. Palpatine event, true face, eventually showed itself. Gentlemen, we got to finish on Star Wars. I mean, that's a perfect ending. Who are the Jedi's? Who are the Jedi's? unfortunately that's that's a longer discussion we'll continue on next time thanks gentlemen

take care all the best