Shaun Newman Podcast - #813 - Jeff Rath & Mitch Sylvestre

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

We discuss Alberta leaving Canada. Is a referendum possible? In what timeline could it be done? I’m joined by:Jeff Rath is a seasoned lawyer based in Alberta, Canada, with over two decades of experience. He is the founder of Rath & Company, a law firm established in 1995. Rath specializes in treaty and Indigenous rights, environmental law, and general civil litigation, often challenging government actions. He has led class action lawsuits, such as one against the Alberta government over COVID-19 vaccine policies and business shutdowns. He is currently working to put together a delegation to Washington, D.C., to explore Alberta’s potential U.S. statehood or independence with economic ties to the U.S.Mitch Sylvestre the president of the Bonnyville-Cold Lake-St. Paul United Conservative Party (UCP) Constituency Association. He is the owner of Sylvestre Sporting Goods, a well-established store in Bonnyville since 1989. Sylvestre is actively involved in political advocacy, serving as a key figure in the Take Back Alberta movement, he chairs the Alberta First Pension Plan initiative under the Alberta Prosperity Project, advocating for an independent Alberta pension planCornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastSilver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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Obviously, this past couple weeks, it has been, people have been asked me if I'm burning out. Boys and girls, I'm not burning out. Men and women, I'm not burning out. Men and women, I'm not burning up. I just feel like there are times when you have to go almost all in on a hand. And right now, when it comes to this conversation around Mark Carney, what's coming in the next couple months, the talks around Alberta independence,

like I just feel like we need to get up to speed on this, as fast as humanly possible. And on this end, I've been maybe dragging my feet. I don't know if that's true or not. So I appreciate all the texts wondering if I'm doing. and can I go this hard? Oh, yeah, we were designed to go this hard. But one of the things that has fallen off the map

has been the substack for two weeks in a row. We're not going to make it three weeks. We're going to be back on. Substack, we can review this Sunday. And one of the things that's going to be previewing is you have under 60 days, folks, till the Cornerstone Forum in Calgary, Alberta. And, you know, one of the, I've been talking a lot of different things

about the wind sport, the Cornerstone Forum. them because you know i've been thinking about it and i'm like you know what do i actually trying to say well i think we all realize we're frogs in a boiling pot and either we jump out and leave or we try and fix this thing and i know we've been saying that over and over and over again but i mean like you know covid was one thing and we got an answer to that and god bless those people now you have carney sitting there you have donald trump to the self you have have Elon Musk on X. I think there's some conversations that we need to explore and we need to get in person

and we need to do that. And so I like to think this isn't just another basement meetup of your 10 closest friends. This is bringing in community members, community pillars from all over Alberta, Saskatchewan, BC. We got some people flying in from Toronto. So like, if you haven't bought a ticket, don't continue to wait. Now is the time. get your tickets.

Let's see you there, May 10th in Calgary. All right, that's what I got for you today. I won't jabber on anymore. Somebody had mentioned that, you know, my intros are getting closer to six minutes. Well, this is what happens, folks, when the world starts to go a bit bonkers. Sean starts to ramble.

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Let's get on to that tale of the tape. The first is the president of the Bonneville Cold Lake, St. Paul United Conservative Party Constituency Association. He's also the owner of Sylvester Sporting Goods, and he chairs the Alberta First Pension Plan Initiative under the Alberta Prosperity Project. The second, a seasoned lawyer here from Alberta with over two decades of experience. He's the founder of Rath and company, a law firm established in 1995. I'm talking about Mitch Sylvester and Jeff Ratt. So buckle up. Here we go.

Welcome to the Sean Numa podcast. I'm joined by Jeff Rath and Mitch Sylvester. Gentlemen, thanks for hopping on. Thanks for having us. Now, Mitch, this is your first go-around on the podcast. Jeff, you know, you've been on multiple times. But for the audience, maybe just a quick couple minutes on your background and who you are. Okay, so I live in Bonneville. I've been running a sporting goods store here for 47 years.

Still running it. Doing that, I got involved in politics in the middle of COVID. When, of course, we live in Bonneville, we produced 35% of Alberta's oil and everything that the liberals did hurt us. Then COVID came and they shot us down and we knew that that wasn't right because being in a small town, you're connected to everybody in it. So when your friends are going out of business or losing their jobs for whatever reasons, it impacts everybody. So as a consequence to that, I got involved politically. I started, you know, somebody asked me to come to a meeting and then it went from there. I'm highly, I was very involved with Takeback Alberta with the hiring of Jason Kenney. And now I've evolved.

I'm a CA chair for Barningle Colleges, St. Paul, CA chair of the year for the province a year ago, as well as I'm now. I'm now the head of the Alberta Prosperity Project and the Alberta Pension actually. Just curious on my end, because obviously, as people know, I wasn't really that into politics. Well, I started this in 2019. It took until 2021, and I might even argue after that, to start to pay attention to the political landscape.

Have you always been actively involved in politics, or is this something new? Literally did not know the left from the right three years ago. Literally did not know the left from the right. from the right. As a matter of fact, I had friends that I actually went to school with my entire life that became MLAs, cabinet ministers, and the provincial government. They never came to see me for a donation. They never came to see me to attend a meeting. That's how disconnected I was. And now that I'm connected or that I seem to have a vision, I have an idea of what's going on,

I'm absolutely totally mortified. I just cannot believe what's happening. Jeff, I know people know exactly who you are, but maybe if somebody's just tuning in for the first time. Just, you know, once again, a minute, two minutes on your background and who you are. Sure. I'm a constitutional lawyer. I've spent most of my career suing governments in Canada on behalf of First Nations people and other Canadians whose constitutional rights have been trampled by provincial and federal governments from, you know, one end of the country to the other. So that's, you know, what I've done professionally. Kind of like Mitch, even though my work has always been very political.

My involvement in politics has always been more from the perspective of dealing with, you know, suing governments or suing politicians that have done things that are other unconstitutional or highly questionable. So that's kind of my professional background. And like Mitch, during COVID, I mean, when I found that healthy human beings were not allowed to get on an airplane for no bona fide scientific reason, you know, like when people that were getting vaccinated for, you know, with Trudeau's magical, you know, snake oil elixir,

were just as likely to catch COVID and spread COVID as unvaccinated people. There was no justification whatsoever for turning myself and other fellow Albertans that didn't want to play his silly little COVID games into virtual prisoners of our own province by not letting us get on airplanes and boats and trains and whatever it was. So I literally said to somebody in the middle of COVID, you know, if Trudeau's not going to let me leave Alberta against all of my instincts, I'm going to join the Alberta independence movement, and I'm going to take my province and I'm going to leave Canada because I'm sick and tired of living under foolish rules being made up by foolish people in Ottawa that have no real business governing us because they're, you know, A, intellectually incapable of doing so, be completely culturally out of tune with, you know, the Alberta that I grew up in and just don't even understand basic human rights as they are set out in the Canadian Constitution. So, you know, at that point, I was involved in founding the Alberta Prosperity Project that Mitch now heads up.

And I'm very proud to have them as our CEO, along with Dennis Modry and some other sub others, because we were looking for an alternative, you know, to some of the, you know, Alberta independence parties, you know, that, you know, I wasn't, you know, that comfortable, you know, being aligned with. And what we did is instead of starting a political party, you know, we decided to start APP as an educational organization, kind of like the thinking or the vision of it was something along the lines of the Fraser Institute, you know, open to the grassroots membership of Alberta with, you know, every APP membership literally being, you know, a vote, you know, in the direction of showing the government of Alberta that there are literally tens of thousands of Albertans. who are fed up with the current structure of Alberta within Canadian federalism and so on. So we've been doing that now for, I think, going on almost four or five years, you know, town halls and public meetings. And I've been a lot more public speaking in the last four or five years than I have in my entire career because I'm really not a politician. But all of it in support of educating my fellow Albertans on the benefits of Alberta getting out of Canada. because the structure of Canadian federalism simply doesn't work for Alberta. It never has.

And so, you know, the time, I think the time is now. And now with President Trump having been elected in the United States. And, you know, we have somebody that's, you know, in the Oval Office that's a disruptor. Because I think one of the bars to Alberta independence previously as well was a reluctance on the part of American governments to support, you know, any internal independence movements within Canada because it would have been seen. is not how the game is played, you know, et cetera. But I think we have a real opportunity now with Trump and the White House to have a vote in Alberta, have self-determination in Alberta in the same way that President Trump has promised self-determination in Greenland.

And we have an opportunity, you know, in this calendar year to vote Alberta, the hell out of Canada. And literally the day we vote, and I'll turn it back to the panel, but the day that we vote for independence, Alberta and the citizens of Alberta become the wealthiest civil. citizens in the world, we'll have the, as a country, have the highest GDP per capita of any country in the world because of the wealth of the province of Alberta and the industriousness of our citizens. We won't have to pay any more federal income tax. We won't have to pay any more GST, no more carbon tax, no more excise tax, and the, you know, $49 or $50 billion a year that

we send every year in tax revenue to Canada to be wasted on Justin Trudeau's electric choo-choo trains and other stupid projects won't happen anymore with Alberta's support. And we'll be able to keep all that money in the province for the benefit of the citizens of Alberta. And then the plan is obviously to develop an Alberta constitution. You know, people on the team that I'm working on are talking about constitutionalizing the lowest tax rates in North America with a, you know, a 10% flat income tax rate, a 10% flat corporate tax rate. And move forward is one of the wealthiest, most prosperous, lowest tax regimes in North

America. So that's kind of who I am and where I see it. Yes, we want to hear. Well, one of the things about the APP, from my brief experience with the APP, obviously there's been a bunch of different people within that organization that have come on this show. And one of the first was Dennis Mojory,

maybe not the first, but the one that got me thinking about Alberta First versus Canada first, which was an argument that I never had with myself before, you know, where do I actually sit on things like that? And if I went a little bit before that, That's when they did the actual debate for the UCP leadership. And they had Ezra Levant and Dennis Modri on stage asking the questions. And one of the things I was learning from those two gentlemen was how you ask questions, right?

You want to hear what your leader has to say on some of the most controversial topics known to man. And that was fantastic. And of course, as we all recall, not every UCP candidate showed up to that because they thought it'd be, oh, we can't go talk to this set of Albertans. So you already saw from a group of the leadership what they thought of a certain segment of the population. Now, if I go to just last year, Mitch, one of the things you came and saw a group of us here in Lloydminster, and it was around this idea of a referendum and how we could trigger one. And the thousands upon thousands, hundreds of thousands of votes or signatures apologies that we would need in order to trigger that.

And at the time I thought, I don't know if that can ever work. And as I catch up to everyone, I'm like, I don't know if it's possible, but if it isn't possible, then I think more Albertans are going to leave this country sooner rather than later. So it's almost like it needs to happen. Your guys' thoughts, are you still running off the let's grab 300,000 signatures in a 90-day period or have things changed? Because I know, Jeff, I've heard you talk about a referendum by the end of the year. Okay, so nothing's changed with that. So this is what we need to do. This is the process. The process is we're looking for independence from Ottawa, whether that's within or without Canada. That's the mandate of the of the APP. Actually, the mandate now is within Canada. And that's always a first step towards everything. But the people are going to decide this in a referendum. So our job right now is to educate ourselves and to educate everybody as to what the choices are, and then get the signatures and put it in front of the people. Now, we've got a, we've got a

two-step process going here. We're working on getting Alberta on Canada pension here to Alberta so that we can have our own pension plan, which would be a big step towards an independent Alberta within Canada. Quebec has that. We believe we need to start collecting our own taxes. That will also give us more autonomy and more control. So the biggest problem that we have, as we see it, or as I see it, is that we're under attack from Ottawa. We're basically living in the richest part of probably the richest real estate anywhere in the world, and we're a hundred billion dollars in debt. We produce four half million barrels of oil a day, equivalent to what Norway does. They have $1.7 trillion in the bank, and we're $100 billion in the whole.

So basically that just says that we're a colony, and as a consequence to that, we should make changes, and we have to start thinking I'll go to first. We have to be regional. It's not a secret that the federal government is entirely corrupt, ethics violation after ethics violation, any of which would have brought down any previous government, and we would trust them, to be honest, and they police themselves. So as a consequence to that, there's no consequence to their actions, except at the polls every four years. And by even the looks of that right now, it looks like there's going to be no consequence for that either. There's a possibility that the liberals may stay in, much to my chagrin. However, if they do stay in, Alberta will have a very serious decision to make.

Are we going to stay with this group of people for another four years or forever, or are we going to try and forge a different path for ourselves? And I think that's where we're at. In order for us to get this referendum going, I'll just get the details of that down. In order for referendum for an independent Alberta, we need 600 plus thousand signatures. We have to collect those in 90 days. That's a lot of signatures. So we've decided that we're going to take the step of collecting 300 plus thousand signatures for the Alberta pension plan first.

There are two separate initiatives, but we're finding that the same people will vote for both. So with an Alberta pension, CPP basically owes us $335 billion that we've contributed in a fund that's held there for Alberta. And that's a lot of money. Of course, it's $400 and some billion more than we have because we owe $100 billion. So as a consequence to that, it would be a real good head start for us to get going. Yeah, obviously, even within APP, I think we have some differences in terms of where we're going. I mean, certainly the people that I'm working with and the people that are interested in moving forward with the initiative that I'm working on,

You know, we don't see that there's any purpose in having a referendum on Alberta pensions this year. You know, our view is let's have a referendum and vote to lead Canada, period, as an independent country, and then everything else will follow along with it. So, I mean, that's kind of where I'm at. I mean, I guess APP wouldn't be an independence, an organization interested in educating people at independence if there weren't different views within the organization. Certainly that's a lot of what Mitch has been working on, but there's a lot of people. that I've been talking to that don't want to have this secondary step of dealing with pensions

and dealing with these other things and just want to move forward with a very simple vote that says, you know, will Alberta leave Canada and remain and become an independent country? And I think that there's a huge appetite for that right now because I don't think that anybody believes that Pierre Paliab is the answer to any of our problems. So whether a liberal government gets elected or the liberal light government under Pierre Poliab gets elected, nobody's going to change the structure of Canadian federalism. Pollyev has stated that he has no interest whatsoever in addressing equalization,

notwithstanding the fact that Albertans voted in a referendum to end equalization. Polyev on the tariff issue has just been as factless as all of the other leaders in Ottawa, you know, escalating or saying that he would escalate or tariff harder than the liberals or whatever it is if he were elected prime minister. all in all, Pierre Paulyev has shown his true colors as basically just another form of Eastern liberal that I think the people in Alberta are going to have a real hard time supporting. So, you know, for the people that I'm working with, we're still full steam ahead on Alberta independence. And, you know, an APP is very much an organization responsive to his membership. So I would imagine over the next month or so as we're continuing to gather signatures to organize referendums in the province,

There's going to be some internal discussions amongst the membership of APP, whether we want to have a first have a referendum on pensions or just go straight into a referendum on independence. The other thing that we're working on, of course, is true leadership on behalf of Daniel Smith wouldn't be to force people to get 600,000 signatures to have an independence referendum. I, for the life of me, can't understand why Daniel Smith, given the base that elected her, thinks it's inappropriate for adult citizens of the province of Alberta not being able to vote in a referendum and express their views on whether they want to remain in Canada or not. Because for me, I think if you ask, and this is what I think Daniel's afraid of, and all of the Kenny Cabinet ministers in her cabinet are afraid of, is that if you put the case to the citizens of Alberta, you know, in a 90s. day election campaign if she just called her referendum on the subject, which she can do as premier, and people were told that they wouldn't have to pay federal income tax anymore, that they wouldn't have to pay carbon tax anymore, they wouldn't have to pay excise tax anymore, they wouldn't have to pay GST anymore, and that all of the billions of dollars that we send

over this province would stay in Alberta instead of subsidizing daycare in Quebec at levels unseen in Alberta and social services in Quebec unseen in Alberta. I personally believe, that the overwhelming majority of Albertans would vote in favor of independence this year. And that's, you know, the project, you know, I'm a pretty unambitious guy. That's the unambitious little project that I've set for myself this year is to try to bring all of my friends along with me and to get us to an independence vote later this year. So that's what we're working on. Well, it's, that, all that stuff fits in well with what we do, though.

We have to, we understand clearly, I understand clearly. However this looks, an independent Alberta is a necessity. Absolutely, however it looks. We're seeing that we have to regionalize. We have to bring everything closer to us so that we have any manner of control over it. We're seeing that the country's too big. You know, people have different needs. People have different views.

People that live in the West are not the same mentality of people that live in Ontario somehow. And we understand we're producers. We're the people that produce the wealth in this country or a lot of the wealth in this country. Along with that comes an attitude. And that attitude is marked really different from what's in the East. What's clear to me, very clear to me, is that we need a new deal no matter how that looks. You know what? We don't understand all the real details of what looks to be hooked up with the Americans. But whatever we do, we have to become a republic or we have to become independent or we have to have a better deal.

So coming out of this, I see Alberta coming out of this much stronger than we are now going in. Just the opportunity cost on the transfer payments would give us an unimaginable amount of all. Like in the three or four hundred billion dollars, just what we've given the rest of Canada. Plus, you know, if you factor in the over-contribution we've had with the pension plan, well, we're just about, you know, at three-quarters of a trillion dollars. We're at $750 billion in money that we give to them. and what we get back is we get our industry attacked, we get our people attacked,

we have all manner of stuff going on, that they have absolutely no regard for who Alberta is, and really, literally, no respect. If you go to the lowest denomery, me and Grock were going back and forth out of this morning, what are people's number one concern, right? What do people worry about? It's probably a simple answer, right?

Bills, the cost of living. and when you go to the degree of an independent country, you know, you can worry about a lot of different things. But what Jeff and you, Mitch, are pointing out, like, overnight, just take gas for instance. It's like 47 cents roughly May, May, April 1st, it's going to go up again. It's going to be closer to 50-some cents. And you go like...

That's just carbon tax. That doesn't include excise tax in GST. I was looking at diesel the other day. I was filling up a co-op, filling up my truck. a buck 60 a liter right so take off federal excise tax um gst and carbon tax and we'd be back down around 80 cents well so what does that do what does that do for the cost of living what does that do for for getting around and you know because you think like we like just the everyday person like it is becoming way more expensive to just live and and it doesn't seem like they're worried

about it I mean they're arguing about this carbon tax like get rid of the carbon tax it hasn't worked but they don't care about that, right? So one of the things by separating it out, those things could go away overnight. And the only thing Carney talks about is getting rid of the carbon tax. You know, the benefit of Alberta independence is like keep in mind, Trudeau's run up almost a $4 trillion debt. So after 35 years of successive governments from Mulroney to Kretzian to Harper to on,

you know, they paid our national mortgage down to the point where we were at about $400 billion in national debt, which Americans thought was. It was cute to have a little debt that small. It was just like a little puppy, right? And our national debt was such that it was actually less than, you know, about equal to our annual revenue. So the national mortgage had literally been paid down to the point where, you know, our entire national debt could have been paid off in, you know,

in a matter of, in five years and people just decided to apply themselves to it without causing any real pain to people in the country. Now we have under Trudeau, and we haven't got the tally yet for his, orgy of spending promises over the last, you know, three months or two months of his unelected prime ministership after he allegedly resigned. I mean, I think he's probably committed the federal government to another trillion in spending, including enhanced unemployment insurance benefits that are getting us closer to universal income. You know, his $40 billion choo train, electric choo train between Toronto and Montreal, you know, all of the, you know,

all of the promises that he made to all of his corrupt friends on the way out the door. You know, so we got to get the hell out of Dodge. Like, Albertans can't afford to continue to pay for idiotic liberal projects and idiotic politicians, including Doug Ford, who think it's a really good idea to threaten to, you know, threaten war with our largest trading partner. I mean, it's just this level of stupidity, you know, is beyond the tolerance of any Albertan, regardless of where they find themselves, you know, within our economy and, you know, you know, and within the province.

And the other thing that we're finding with federal government is there's no audit. There's no audit process there. So, so if we're, if we're conceding that we've got somewhere in a neighborhood of 80 ethics violations, that's stealing. We all understand that. We've got the Chinese government involved in our elections, and they're not dealing with that. Okay. Okay, I just jump in.

Now that Trugo's out of office, our media is now. pretending like their media. I picked up my phone this morning, and there's the Globe and Mail reporting on the fact that Justin Trudeau had a private meeting with a very well-known Chinese drug lord and money-landerer in his first term in office. So they've been sitting on this for years. I've been saying for years that Trudeau is an agent of the Ministry of State Security of China, and lo and behold, here we have the Globe and Mail sitting on evidence that Trudeau was meeting with a Chinese drug loan lord privately in his first term in office. What instructions were passed on to him from his masters in Beijing?

We don't know. But I mean, this is what we find out now that Trudeau's leaving office. You know, you want to talk about corruption? Like, what's the explanation for the prime minister of our country meeting with a Chinese money launderer and drug lord that they're now reporting about on March 7th and March 10th in the Globe and Mail that wasn't reported on previously prior to, you know, prior to even prior to his reelection in 2021? what? You know, it's shocking.

What's the explanation for the components to make fentanyl being legal to import into Canada? And right north of us here in Valley View, they found like 6,700 kilograms of fentanyl making, producing products. And who, all from China come to Alberta as a consequence of that? You know, what did they say? We have a suitcase full of fentanyl going across the border here. And that's all that they've discovered here out of 6,700 pounds. I'm sorry, 6,700 kilograms, seven tons of chemical. And that's in that bus that they had at that Valleyview,

that high-tech lab that was building fentanyl products there. So there's a direct tie there. What the RCMP say? We have 4,000 organized crime families in Canada. In Canada, yeah. in Canada. And imagine. And the original thing said, and 370 in government. These criminal groups in government. So I don't know. They've taken that part. They've edited that part out of that little video that we saw. But the original one said in 370 in government.

So whether that's true or not, it's cause for concern. I think the 4,000 is definitely true. the 370 in government, well, it appears that way, but they would have to be able to prove that. But that's where we are. They're doing things to us that make absolutely no sense. Bill C-293. What's going on with that? The next emergency, they're going to come here. They'll be able to seize your farms and your livestock. We're not making that up. So that's actually going through Parliament because there's a private member's bill right now. So what I'm wondering from my perspective is, why are they passing laws like that? What would be the purpose of that to hurt Albertans, to hurt Alberta producers?

Our agricultural minister said at the AGM, they obviously don't know what they're doing because if they do that, we'll pull the Sovereignty Act on them. Absolutely, they know what they're doing. I disagree with Jeff on one thing. I think they're corrupt. I don't think they're stupid. That's really what I think. I don't think they're stupid.

Listen, they just put in Mark Carney. And if you believe the Sheila Gunnreed, they disqualified the 250,000 voters the night before, that means they've already put their thumb on the scale, and now you have Mark Carney as your next prime minister. Now, we don't know because nobody knows. All the signs are pointing to an election here in April, they tell me, I'm like, I'll believe it when I see it. And if that happens, we're going to find out. Are they going to put their finger on the scale and get Mark Carney in for four more years? and if that happens

because I keep going back to why would they put Mark Carney in right now makes zero sense it made a correction it made zero sense at the time now it's starting to look like you add up all the bills that are sitting there that could just absolutely destroy

Canada even further and that's just not the tip of the iceberg Mitch but that's just one part of it Mark Carney came to Calgary well you were on we were on your podcast last week and Marty up north was on it Marty was saying that he, you know, managed to get into Carney speech in Calgary, and that Carney flat out told, you know, Alberta liberals that the reason to elect a liberal government

is that a liberal government will be much better at redistributing wealth than a conservative government. So, I mean, Carney's literally coming into Alberta telling us what he's going to do. Hey, Alberta, vote for a liberal government because I'm going to be much better at taking your money away and giving it to other people. You know, you like the fact that we legalize marijuana. We're going to take your big money out of hardworking families' hands, whether it's under the guise of carbon tax and through your home heating fuel or your gasoline or trucks to go to work. And we're going to put it in the hands of 17-year-olds that don't have to work, don't have to go to school, don't have to have to have a plan to go to work or go to school so that they can

sit at home in mummy and daddy's basement and smoke legalized marijuana and play video games or take their $2,000 a month, you know, universal income checks and go out and buy paddle boards and mountain bikes and all of those nice toys that are available for them at Canadian Tire, all at the expense of people that actually get up every morning, try to put fuel in their trucks to feed their families and go to work. That's Canada under Mark Carney. Well, don't forget, too, Jeff. He mentioned emergency powers or running on emergency acts.

Let's not everybody forget that Teresa Tam has already declared a climate emergency. So the minute COVID was over, Teresa Tam has already declared a national public health climate emergency. It's already on the books. And don't forget that Teresa Tam has said that the biggest causes of climate change are abelism, capitalism, and heteronormativity. So, you know, if you're a hardworking person, you know, that operates in a capitalist environment that's interested in having children and having a family, we are the problem.

You are the enemy. We are the enemy and we need to be eradicated. Now, this gets back to our original conversation. I don't think it's a point of departure between Mitch and I, you know, the debate. you know, it's kind of like margar and butter. Are they corrupt? Are they stupid? I think I firmly agree that they can both be corrupt and stupid. And I'm, you know, I think I've moved a little bit.

It is, you know, off of stupid. And as a lawyer, you shouldn't be, you know, saying that people are corrupt, you know, without hard proof because, you know, obviously, you know, as responsible professionals, we need to be, you know, we need to be careful about those kinds of things. But, you know, but I think demonstrably, you know, some of them could be corrupt and stupid. Doug Ford right now, I still just having the stupid column, you know, where he's threatening to cut off electricity to the United States and blustering and turning red and jumping up and down and pounding the table about how he's going to fight to the death and, you know, all that kind of stuff.

That's just stupid. Come on. We can agree on that, right, Mitch? Stupid? Oh, yeah. We agree on it. Okay. And the problem with finding out if they're corrupt, you can't get an investigation to anything they're doing. Absolutely, no way. So what is that telling us about what's going on in our country? And during COVID, I mean, I sent a letter of investigation off to the RCMP asking that Pfizer be investigated for fraud with regard to not, I didn't accuse them a fraud. I asked that they be investigated for fraud with regard to one very specific document, which was the Pfizer table 14 and their EUA, where they said notionally that only one child per million was going to die from COVID. But Pfizer was going to put 34 children per million into ICU with myocarditis. And all the doctors I talked to said, hey, you can't put 34 kids on a ventilator with respiratory in respiratory failure and not expect to lose at least five or six of them. Because then when we get to the column where it says how many deaths that Pfizer thought would be caused by the vaccine, remarkably they put zero in that column. And that's what I would say needed to be investigated as being fraudulent. Because if there's any number in that column greater than zero, so one or above, what that would mean is that the vaccine.

vaccines in children were as likely to kill them as COVID or more likely to kill them than COVID, at which point they couldn't approve the vaccines in kids, right? So, you know, I sent that letter off to Brenda Lucky of the RCMP prior to the childhood vaccine rollouts. And of course, not even a response from the RCMP. Nobody contacted me. Nobody asked me where I got a copy of Table 14. Nobody was the least bit interested in the fact that our politicians in Canada, were calling a drug that, you know, or a product safe and effective where the evidence from the drug manufacturer clearly demonstrated that it was going to kill more kids than COVID, right? And a parent said, hey, we have this great shot for you.

It doesn't keep your kids from getting COVID. It doesn't keep them from spreading COVID. And it'll kill more of your children than COVID. How many parents do you think would be living with the anxiety that they have now, having stuck those shots into their arms of their kids? and their kids are now dealing with, you know, the fallout of, quote, unquote, mild myocarditis, you know, which means that they can't play, they can't do sports, they can't do all of the things that they did previously when they are healthy children with healthy hearts. But now, you know, thanks to Trudeau, Tam, Hinshaw, Kenny, you know, Verna, you, all of those people, you know, we have children running around with, you know, with heart damage because they couldn't read Pfizer's own data or refused to read Pfizer's own data. Now, again, corrupt or stupid.

I don't know. I'm open. Well, it can be both. I mean, I'm no lawyer, so I can simply say we have corrupt people working in our government. That is a simple thing I could say because it's so evident. And you go, where's the proof? It's like, well, like Mitch said, the only way we find out anything is if we do Freedom of Information Acts. And even if they got caught red-handed, then it's an ethics violation that comes with nothing.

So, like, immediately, it's, we already know that that's there. But is there stupid people in there? Garin Freak and Teed. They're bought into this ideology of, you know, once upon a time it was COVID. Now it could be the climate or it could be a whole bunch of different things. You know, I was thinking about this. If I bring it back to Alberta independence, right, referendum, this idea of whether or not Alberta could truly find a way out. Because, you know, we're not the first, when I listen to both you, it's not like Jeff has been beating this drum for the last 20 years.

and Mitch, certainly me and you are almost in the same boat. So when I look at it, you know, I've been having this real argument with myself because I've had the internal argument about Alberta separating from Canada and what does that mean. And so I started talking with a buddy of mine and we got back to Aristotle. Aristotle and his work rhetoric identified three key elements of persuasion, often referred to as rhetorical appeals. And they are ethos. This is about establishing the speaker's credibility or character. pathos, the appeal to the audience of motions, and Legos, or Logos, the appeal of logic and reason.

And when I hear the money side, I'm like, well, there's the logic and reason. When I hear your guys a story on why you're doing it, that's establishing your credibility or character. And the thing I think a lot of us, I don't know, maybe miss is, and Ben Trudeau had said, this won't be one on facts, it'll be one on emotion. And he came from running in the Quebec referendum and being part of that movement back in the 90s. And when I hear that, I'm like, part of what Alberta is wrestling with, not us anymore, but part of what Alberta is wrestling with is this idea of Alberta first or Alberta on its own. Like, we're never going to be part of Canada again?

Like, what does that actually mean? And you think of like how many people got pushed over in COVID to be like all for one, you know, and this crazy idea where we just lost, it didn't matter how much logic you gave them. Here's all the reasons. Look at all the reasons not to do all this. they wouldn't listen to you. And that part comes back to pathos, I think, the emotion of what's actually going on.

But just, you know, as far as it goes, I mean, I think that, you know, the emotion of what's going on, people need to, you know, and I think it's an educational endeavor. And I mean, that's why APP calls itself an educational society, right? You know, the more and more,

I think people learn about how badly Alberta is being continually, you know, you know, continually short-changed by Ottawa on a going-forward basis, you know, addresses that. You know, every time, you know, we're dealing with politicians in Ottawa that are so out of touch with what's going on in Alberta and just they're so resentful of us. They're so, you know, arrogant in terms of the way that they approach us or deal with us. They treat us like we're a bunch of stupid children when really it's the other way around.

You know, and I think that more and more of the people internalize that. They're going to understand that, you know, whatever attraction they had to the, you know, the ideal of Canada, you know, is, you know, is misplaced. And that, you know, finding a new love for the Commonwealth of Alberta, you know, is really, really the way forward. And then I also like to remind people that Canada doesn't recognize the relinquishment of Canadian citizenship. And under the new Alberta Constitution, I'd be hard for us to believe that anybody would require the Constitution. of the Commonwealth of Alberta would require anybody to renounce their Canadian citizenship to stay in Alberta or be Alberta. So, you know, for those people that still have an attachment to Canada, I don't anymore.

I really don't. They can retain their Canadian citizenship. And for those people that really don't want to live in Alberta with the rest of us Albertans anymore, there's lots of Canada left for them to move back into. The good news for them is that when they leave Alberta, their real estate prices in Alberta are going to be through the roof will likely be denominated in US dollars. So when they sell their home or the property in Alberta, they'll be paid out at a higher value in

US dollars. And because the Canadian dollar will be trading on par with the Polish lot, they can go to Toronto and buy a 10,000 square foot house on the bridle path for what they sold what they sold a two-bedroom house for in Calgary. Well, I agree with you, it's going to be a really, really good world for those people that want to come back and live in Canada. While I agree with you, we have seen through history lots of these arguments you want to be just one on listen if we do this

immediately you take over the u.s dollar and we adopt it and this is what our money and everything and you can and first a lot of people i got a lot of friends that are just like that just on that alone let alone the first amendment second amendment a bunch of other things is just like this is a slam dunk we need to get the head out of here as fast we can there's a whole bunch of people on alberta you're going to have to win the hearts and minds of and what happened to you immediately off the video, right? Jason Ketty calling you a traitor. For you, I'm not worried about

Jeff Raff won Iota. I'm like, you've been in the courtroom and then, of course, you've been on a certain side of COVID where if you're on that side, you've been called every name under the sun, and it's just another bad. Oh, no, hey, and let's not forget, you know, 30 years, you know, my 33 years, you know, standing up for the rights of indigenous people in Canada.

Whether we like it or not, we still have a lot of racists in this country that would literally phone death threats into my office, over controversial things that I would say, you know, on the first nations file, right? So, you know, like one time I did a radio show where somebody, oh, everybody just needs to be equal and we need to wipe out, you know, these first nations rights once and for all and blah, blah, blah. I said, well, that's a really interesting idea. I said, if we want to do away with, make everybody equal by doing away with the transgenerational

transfer of wealth in Canada. So I said, you know, I can support that. I said, but let's just forget that when, you know, like everybody had better do a really good job educating their kids because when you die all your property you'll go back to the state so that everybody could be equal i said it sounds a lot like socialism communism to me but hey if that's what you're advocating let's talk about what real equality looks like in the context of the transgenerational transfer of wealth well i thought i was being witty i thought i was being clever and i was kind of having fun while i was on this talk show and my office was inundated with death threats from the maritimes

you know suggesting that i was going to take all their property away and all this other stuff right I mean, you know, I mean, you deal with it. I mean, Jason Kenny, let's face it. You know, correct. Okay, here, here's a fun question. Jason Kennedy, corrupt or stupid. See, I won't say he's corrupt. And I'm not going to say anything else, right?

I'm not going to say Jason Kenney's corrupt. But, you know, there he is. Like, rather than addressing the issues on the merits, you know, like you say, ethos, like what do you do when you can answer somebody's argument? You try to tear down their character. So Jason Kennedy's trying to, oh, I'm a coup. Well, I'm a coup with an honors degree in law from the, or honors degree in political science from the University of Alberta.

and I'm a Cooke with an honors degree in law from the London School of Economics. So, Jason, I'll stand my two honors degrees against your, you know, two years of divinity school that you dropped out of, you know, any day of the week. If you wanted to debate me publicly, Jason, I'm happy to debate you. I guess because you stuck your little head out of your gopher hole to look around and smell the air in the spring. It's because you're maybe thinking about running for election as a conservative candidate in the next election. you want to publicly debate me, Jason, on this topic. I'm happy to debate you without ever attacking, but they won't.

Without ever attacking, personally, Jason. But this is what we're up against. So this is why I bring it up. Because if I watch the Sask United thing, right, had friends in there that started the Saske United Party in Saskatchewan, okay? And as they got closer to the election, was there anyone that was thinking,

wow, they're going to pull off this sweeping victory? No, I would say it was different than BC. BC had a different movement there. As I watched it, you saw the SaaS party go almost lame duck, like, oh, looks like the NDP are going to win. And that triggered all of Saskatchewan to go out and vote Saskatchewan party, right? The party that has held them down for COVID and you're like, the Saskatchewan folks are just like Albertan. And you're watching that. You're like, what just happened there?

So when I watch this, I go, they call you a traitor. And all I was pointing out, Jeff, and you've done it again to showcase why it doesn't, bother you but most people aren't jeff rat they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're be like they got to wrestle with this they got to wrestle with the fact that man is canada done are we going to be the ones to be Canada done and I think because of COVID they can get over that quicker than most because there's this whole group of us I mean for me to even wrestle with it and finally go yeah like I can't see another way to get around where Canada is doing to all of us and the fact that we are like powerless to stop it in the traditional sense

And even this way seems like 600,000 signatures. I'm like, holy crap. But if it's not now, then I don't know if it can happen. But again, just to jump in on that, I mean, Daniel Smith needs to be reminded that the base of the APPTBA and the Alberta Pension Project are her base. Right. So, you know, I think she's in a pretty precarious position when she would rather listen to the 11 or 12 remaining Kenny Cabinet ministers within her cabinet, as opposed to listening to the 55,000 members of APP, TBA, and the Alberta Pension Project, that are, in fact, her base that put her into the leadership.

And I think Danielle also isn't cognizant of how much work and effort went into on all of our part. My Mitch, Chris Scott, you know, other people that are more in touch with the base than our premier is to help her get that 93% support of the last AGM because a lot of us were good or ill, you know, thought she was the best leader that we could have at this point in time. And, you know, we, you know, rallied support to her just so that, you know, the Jeremy Nixon's, you know, the, you know, all the backstabbing Kennyites that are still out there, you know, to try to depose her and take back over the party so that they can be even more corrupt than they normally are, you know, are waiting in, you know, waiting in the wings to depose her

and take over, you know, take the party back over. So, you know, there was a lot of that that went on at the AGM that I don't think Daniel is, Daniel Smith is, you know, is fully cognizant of or internalized. I also think, so it was 91.5% that got her, that was the vote. And I would also say the growing sentiment at the AGM from the people I talked with was that they're like, who are we going to replace her with? We have nobody to replace it. And that, that, that was the, there was a ton of sentiment there. There was a lot that were like, Daniel is doing an amazing job. But there was a mushy middle that was even contemplating it.

They're like, who are we going to, we're going to have? Like, are we nuts? Yeah. Because when we fired Jason Keeney was a very clear thing. We had absolutely no doubt in my mind Jason Kinney had to go. That's not the case with Danielle now. So we'll give her that. But the whole thing is that she had 91.5% at the eGM.

However, today, after thrown the bill of rights away, basically giving us less rights than more rights, she probably lost 20 to 25% of the undecided people right there on the spot. The other thing I'd like to run back to is to the emotional part of this. We're going to have to come down to the family level, and that's going to be the emotional part of this. We have to start understanding as full-grown adults, like Jeff refers to us as, that we are going to have to start thinking about taking care of our own families. Because looking forward, if this continues at the rate it's going, it's going at warp speed right now. It's almost hard to keep up with the amount of things that they're doing.

We no longer have any faith in government. We have no longer have any faith in the financial system. We have no faith in the press. Our medical system is under question. everything that we that I grew up with that I thought was a solid is absolutely not that way. So unfortunately, for every busy Albertan, you're going to have to make this a priority. Right now the next six months a year, you're going to have to stop doing a lot of things and focus on this very big thing or all those things that you're doing every day are no longer

going to become something that you could do anymore. If Carney gets in, I think that happens. If Pierre Poliyev gets in, although I agree with both of you on the direction of Canada, I think for the average middle-day or middle-of-the-road, Albertan, even conservative members, see, Poliab is a drawback to normal times and things are going to get better. If Carney gets in, I agree with the sentiment, Mitch. I'm like, I think a lot of Albertans are going to be like, what the heck just happened? I think they're already in the mindset.

It's a foregone conclusion. Pierre's getting in. They're not paying attention. Most people in their right mind, actually maybe in their right mind they would be doing what us three do, but most people are off to the hockey game or whatever. I don't even know anymore. I sit and I do these conversations and I'm like,

if Carney gets in, there's going to be a whole bunch of people wake up the next morning going, what just happened in Canada? And we've been screaming as loud as we can for how long now. and I look at it and I go if Pierre gets in I think it's a slow burn to where Jeff wants to get

if if Carney gets in I think it goes I keep saying supersonic and then you tack on Trump and Elon Musk in there and I just go like you think it's picking up speed right now these conversations are going to bring in every Albertan because it's going to be on the forefront of what Carney does

that guy scares the living shit out of me pardon the French folks but I mean like When Donald Trump, you think Donald Trump's bad? It's like Carney is hand selected. He's closerly, he is the web. It's like they don't want to wake you up. They don't want to wake you up because if they do that a whole bunch of Americans

or a whole bunch of Canadians, I should say, and Albertans would stand up and be like, no more. And they don't normally do that. And then they land in Carney. And I'm like, this should be the moment everybody's paying attention. Like, why now? Why now? Just to jump in on that.

People need to be really, really concerned about this and need to wake up. You know, when you talk about the World Economic Forum, Carney is the World Economic Forum. And, you know, when you talk about, you know, Klaus Schwab-Brags about penetrating governments at the highest level, the most insidious thing is the degree to which they've penetrated our governments at the lowest level. And that's the one they don't talk about. All of our municipal bureaucracies, the entire provincial bureaucracy, the federal bureaucracy, You have all these World Economic Forum warriors within these bureaucracies implementing world economic forum policies without any legislative mandate, without having been elected. I mean, just look at all this 15-minute city garbage in the province of Alberta, right?

Like a good friend of mine was speaking to a Red Deer City counselor and said, what's all this crap about Red Deer being on the list of World Economic Forum 15-minute cities? Who the hell on council? City council voted for that. Oh, and the counselor says, let me look into it. And then he comes back and he tells my friend in Red Beard, who some of you may know, but I'm going to keep his name out of it because I promise to stop saying that we're friends. So anyway, you guys can guess who that is.

But anyway, comes back to my friend, Gary Davidson, and says to Gary that, oh, well, we never voted for it. I'm just told that the city manager and other people within the city of administration thought this was a good idea. And we've been given this extra money in order to be a 15-minute city and do 15-minute city planning. And it was all free money. So why we didn't think we needed to go to council over it? And I mean, this has been going on at every level in the government of Alberta, in the municipalities, et cetera, et cetera, where all these bureaucrats are literally, you know, world economic forum warriors undermining the rights of the citizens of Alberta.

like all this foolish upzoning in Calgary. You know, yeah, okay, it was Trudeau bribed the city of Calgary to do that. And Trudeau supported that. But where do you think this idea comes from? It comes from the World Economic Forum. You know, you can't have people living in their, you know, in their comfortable, you know, enclaves. We have to take the box of, you know, of the world, you know, put the third world into a shoebox and shake it out equally, you know, over all of Alberta and all of Alberta municipalities.

so that, you know, that, you know, the disadvantage can see what it's like to live in a nice neighborhood. And, you know, forget about what that does for crime and what it does for the safety of the people that live there, that are paying taxes through the ceiling, you know, that are worried about, you know, the safety of the families. I mean, let's forget about all of that. You know, let's just take a shoebox and shake the North East Calgary over all of Calgary and spread them out equally so that everybody can experience, you know, what that's like. You know, I mean, this is the World Economic Forum in action. and people don't like it. But then, you know, 90% of Calgarians show up at City Hall

to express their displeasure. And what happens? You know, the World Economic Forum controlled city counselors. Oh, no, no, no. We're going to get this free money from people that support the World Economic Forum to do this. And we like free money, right? We can't provide you enough water.

We can't provide you enough electricity. You can't provide you enough homes and housing. But sure, we can sure rank in free money from, you know, from World Economic Forum affiliated politicians in Ottawa. these these are this is um like so you you mentioned this and i i think for a lot of oberton's these are the reason this is just another and a whole host of reasons to try and separate ourselves from the the greater of canada what's going on here why do you think i'm getting death threats and why do you think people are you know are threatening to burn you know to you know to burn me to the

ground right and are they're trying right because it's because the bureaucracy and the entrenched the people that are entrenched within the status quo they get really really really nice salaries from the status quo, hate the idea that one of the first things that will happen in an independent Alberta is some form of Department of Government Efficiency that's going to go through the books from end to end and clean house with all of these bureaucrats. I mean, we can't afford to pay our doctors. Like, they're threatening our doctors now with a 30% cut in pay, but they won't cut 30% of the AHS bureaucracy, right? So we've got people that are on the front line of health care. We're driving our doctors out of this.

province on the theory that we can you know that we can replace every every physician you know with you know with an AI bot that'll you know that diagnose your problems and then send you off to the correct unionized triage nurse at an emergency room or not you know et cetera et cetera and the doctors are going to become superfluous but i mean you know how many albertans are looking forward to losing their their family doctors so they can talk to a computer right i mean this is you know this is all world economic forum driven part of what you're talking about the attacks on you some of some of it is going to be like motivated by the bureaucracy right well he's attacking our way of life for sure but also jeff you have to and i'm sure i don't need to remind you this but like

when you look on a on a larger scale and forgive me if i if i take a little bit of time here to just walk through the way my brain thinks if you think 2020 in the u.s was stolen right okay that shows what they're willing to do in the u.s then you go they tried killing trump they tried jailing Trump. They tried a whole bunch of things. Okay. He still gets in. So they were pushing for Kamala. Kamala doesn't get in. Trump gets in. Now you're seeing all this stuff happen in Canada. Carney gets in Canada. Why are they doing that? Because they lost their queen. And now the largest land mass with the United States is sitting there. And they've just put in their rook. Whatever, sorry for the chess people, you know, maybe I'm picking the wrong pieces. It doesn't matter.

And so you're talking about a way to mess with what they're doing. So you're going to get a whole bunch from the surface level, which is the bureaucracy. But then you've got to realize you're messing with the people playing this large game, sitting probably in Davos and other places that are trying to push on the United States. And right now they're trying to turn the United States into the evil empire. Now, we can go into a whole bunch of different things on the United States' evil empire. But from a Canada perspective, over my entire life, we've been best friends. And now we've changed that like almost overnight.

Can I jump in here, Sean? Here's the thing. We're the richest country in the world. There's not another country in the world that matches us for resources, clean water. We're completely self-sufficient if we want to be. Not only that, there's only 40 million people here. We have so much room that this is the crown jewel of any country in the world no matter how you slice it. We have everything here. We have minerals. We have agriculture. We have lumber. We have oil. We have the third largest oil reserves in the world. We have natural gas. We have wealth. That's unbelievable. So we have to stop being naive enough to think that this belongs to us and it's never going to be contested because that's what's happening now. They're coming for all of that.

I don't think, you know, I don't think, you know, connecting the dots. I mean, why else was Trudeau having a private meeting with a, you know, with a, you know, with a, you know, with a. the Chinese money, you know, drug kingpin and money launderer. I don't think one becomes a Chinese drug kingpin and money launderer and not in front of a firing squad unless you have the tacit or express support of the Ministry of State Security of, you know, of the Communist Party of China, right? So, you know, this is what we've got going on. And to my way of thinking, there's no doubt about, you know, the fact that other nations want our resources and want to completely undermine the governance of our country,

which they've been doing a remarkably good job at, undermining Canadian sovereign. You know, undermining our sovereignty. Well, no, it's not the Americans that are telling Canada to underfund its NATO commitment by almost 100%. I mean, you know, these are, you know, the Chinese influenced minions in and around, you know, in and around Trudeau. You know, it wasn't the Americans that suggested that Trudeau invite the communist Chinese Red Army, who we've yet to enter into a peace deal with following the Korean War, where they were killing Canadian soldiers in winter conditions, to train Red Army soldiers at our Special Forces Winter Warfare Training Base at Petalwa, Ontario.

I mean, that was the Trudeau Liberals. I mean, I just see, you know, Carney, the Trudeau Liberals, the World Economic Forum, all the rest of it, if not being completely controlled by China, certainly being communist China adjacent in many, many ways, because of all the billions of billions of people, all the World Economic Forum billionaires, you know, take out of China on an annual basis, right? So, you know, that's, you know, that's kind of how I look at, you know, kind of how I look

at, you know, the whole, you know, belt and road initiative and, you know, the Chinese drive for global hegemony, you know, where, you know, if they see a problem, you know, that they can buy a solution to, they just buy a solution to. Look at the Bidens. I mean, they were owned lock stock and barrel by China. And we got the policies that we, you know, that we got out of the Biden administration. You know, and you can't, you know, like, especially with that information coming out from the global mail, sure, that's just one data point. But what other explanation could there be?

I mean, Trudeau won't talk about it publicly. Why was Trudeau meeting with, you know, a Chinese drug lord and money laundering? Yeah, there's more data points than that. That's one, but there's so many more on Trudeau, the Liberal Party, the history of the prime ministers and the governments of Canada. I mean, you just start doing a little bit of digging in a whole. bunch of more, well, just more stuff just keeps piling up to the point. Now, if I bring it back to this, this conversation when we said, oh, you know, like referendum, Jeff is shooting for the

stars hoping to hit the moon with with this year. Is that possible? I go, is that humanly possible to have a referendum? If I've learned anything about politics, nothing seems to move fast until it does. And I think of, I think of like the convoy, for instance, was, was nowhere in all sudden it was everywhere and I go if Carney gets in this thing can go supersonic overnight is that how it's possible to have a referendum this year or do you guys have other thoughts on how you can get a referendum in 2025 well this I'll just go first jump in on that I mean I practice I've been a litigator for 33 years right so you know I've always found that files move forward the quickest when you set aggressive and ambitious target dates for hearings and whatever I mean you know

If we have to, you know, if we say our goal is that we're going to have a referendum in November of, you know, 2025, and that's what we're working towards, hey, you know, if we have to delay it for three months or four months because we need to have a UCP leadership convention or whatever the, you know, whatever the reason is to, you know, to delay things, you know, for, you know, for good cause. I mean, you know, could well be that, you know, given that, you know, half of, we might, we might even have a provincial election. I mean, half of, you know, like 11, you know, or 12 members of Daniel Smith's cabinet have just been found by a justice of the court of King's bench to have plausibly engaged in malfeasance in public office. So, you know, is there going to be an election or are those people going to go sit on the backbenchers? Are we going to get a new cabinet? You know, there's all kinds of unknowns, you know, that we have to deal with. But if we set an ambitious target date and move forward towards that, right, even if it's, you know, even if it's only halfway between, you know, in 2025, I like that a lot better than the people, who are saying, oh, well, you know, let's set a date two years out from now.

Let's work with a two-year date, right? You know, then at that point, why not a three-year date? Why not a five-year date? I mean, let's, you know, aggressive targets. And then we all know in between there and here, so many things are going to change and people's focus will change. I'm not against the quick date. I like speed, Jeff.

I just go, what are the actual items that can get done so that it actually happens? Because I also believe in winning. Sure, and a big part of that right now is having this conversation, right? And quite frankly, I think, you know, because of the attention that we're getting, you know, with this issue and the delegation going to Washington and, you know, other things that are going on, you know, there's a lot of heat on this issue right now. So people around Alberta are having conversations about it. You know, families are talking about it. There's all, you know, all kinds of people are having this conversation now that weren't having this conversation two weeks ago. And people are going, well, why wouldn't we leave?

There's a lot of people going, why wouldn't we leave? It just makes sense. From, you know, servers and restaurants to people working in kitchens, to people, you know, working in automotive shops to, you know, every walk of life in Alberta, plumbers, pipefitters, welders, electricians, carpenters, trades people, people that actually work with their hands who resent having to pay a dollar 60, a liter for gasoline, when fully half of that is federal taxes. and, you know, just to go to work so that they can earn more money or earn money to pay even more

federal taxes, right? You know, I don't think it's, I don't think, you know, these people, these people are having that conversation. They're going, hell yeah. Like, again, like, you know, get back to the, get back to, you know, Kenny and his little hate tweet. I mean, one of the remarkable things about all of the, you know, those hate tweets, and again, I'm not a politician.

I'm not running for public office. But, I mean, I currently, from the looks of the response to those hate tweets, I have more political support personally right now in Alberta than Jason Kenney does. And he's a former Premier. And they don't support me because I'm Jeff Rath and I'm a good guy. They support me because I represent an idea that a lot of Albertans are talking about. And that is once and for all getting ourselves free of this mess that we're in in Canada and living a free and independent life with most of our money staying in our pockets

and staying in our family savings account and being able to take care of our families through hard work. I agree. Mitch, you wanted to hop in. Yeah, no, I think that's the goal. I think the goal that right now, everything is going to change. The leverage that we're going to have is to bring a referendum in. Quebec's been using that as leverage forever. We need to change a lot of things in Alberta soon. And it's funny, you were mentioning transfer of wealth from generational transfer of wealth. Isn't the estate tax somewhere around 60% now? So they're already effectively blocking that as well. So we have to start thinking. thinking this is a this is really a money conversation. Like this is really a money conversation more than anything. Like at all levels, this is a money conversation. The federal government is doing their best to take everything away from us and use it for themselves with no accounting.

We have to bring it back so we can control it. We can talk to our MLAs. We have very little audience with MPs, at least I do. So at any rate, what I'm thinking is the only way that this can work is if we bring it back to Alberta and we take care of our own affairs. it as soon as we can. And I agree with all of that. So we just, now the onus is on us, like Jeff says, we bought ourselves a bunch of work. We have to paint a picture on how that's going to look so that we win the referendum too. Getting the referendum is one thing, winning it is a very necessary part of that equation. But here for me, we'll get the signatures if we need to,

and we're going to be working, you know, we're going to be working with people to, you know, to put systems in place that will allow us to get those signatures. But again, I think everybody that's watching this podcast, they need to be writing Daniel Smith and writing their MLAs and reaching out, you know, through their contacts with, you know, with the provincial government and demanding that the government call the referendum and, you know, and, you know, at the end of this calendar year. Because, you know, as far as it goes, what is wrong with adult, you know, Albertans telling their government what their views are on the most important topic, you know, in this province right now, which is should we remain in Canada,

and continue to be embarrassing association that we have, you know, with people that are threatening war with the United States, threatening to cut off power into the United States, that don't even know where their goddamn oil comes from. You know, oh, let's cut off the oil to, you know, from Alberta. That'll teach Trump a lesson. Okay, Doug, there's something called Enbridge Line 9 that brings all the, you know, and we thought we taught them that a month ago, when GBO, you know, GBO woke up to the fact that he could lose his own heating oil if they cut off Alberta oil. So he now wants an energy east pipeline. Right? But I mean, this is, you know, Albertans are done being governed by stupid people who don't even know where their goddamn oil comes from. You know, let's just, excuse my language, but I mean, it's, you know, it's just infuriating to me that these are the people that govern us. And I think most of the Albertans, when they wake up to this, they go, oh, yeah, we really are being governed by a bunch of dummies. What should we do about that? That's not good for my family. Like, they're going to hurt us. You know, let alone all the parents in Alberta that are wrestling with the extreme angst of children that now have disableness. from having been vaccinated under a cloud of lies, propaganda, and misinformation

perpetrated by our federal government using our tax dollars. Right? Like, you know, and I don't know whether we should be talking about this, but I went to that Calfield day the other week. And, you know, where, you know, all they're talking about vaccine misinformation. So all of these people that are being paid by the federal government to push vaccine propaganda in Alberta, Cullfield's putting up slides of people drinking aged urine on the basis a fake medical advice and he's literally comparing people who drink fake urine with people that read

Gary Davidson's recent COVID report where, you know, Lancet has demonstrated that fully 50% of children that were vaccinated with the COVID shots have now medically measurable levels of myocoridic, so that's half of the kids that got the COVID shot now have measurable, medically measurable levels of heart disease, right? They're, you know, they're arguing with, you know, misinformation, a JAMA cardiology study that shows if you follow Dina Hinshaw's advice and mix the Pfizer vaccine with the Moderna vaccine, and it wasn't her advice, it was really true to a TAM's advice. They're pushing that nationally, got stuffed out through the committee of CMOHs, and then Hinshaw shared that advice in Alberta. If you followed their advice and mixed the Pfizer vaccine

with the Moderna vaccine, you had a 3,600% increased risk of myocarditis, right? So as parents are waking up to this and realizing that these people have literally poisoned their kids' hearts, right? There's going to be a lot of people that are going, like, I can't stay in a country that would do this to my children, let alone all the pregnant women that weren't told that the COVID vaccine was really, was really an abortion, the COVID vaccine was really an abortion drug, right? But anyway, I'll stop on that. That's, I don't even keep beating that drum. But that, that's a very key part of this whole thing. So let's just understand, like try and be in the room when they're deciding on policy on all this kind of stuff and they're going to advance all this stuff

and they're going to rein this hell on our people and they're consciously doing it and they understand they're doing it they understand they're hurting us they're stealing from us they're hurting us they're lying to us consciously so my through my whole journey here on this last three years and I was just as guilty as anyone anywhere in the province because I never paid attention until three years ago so I understand I get it. And I'm sorry for that. And I'm also sorry to all the people that took the vaccine for the right reasons because half of my, half the people I love did that. So this is not a win for us to talk about this because a lot of the people that are the very closest to us are people

that have been hurt by this. And the beauty of living in a small town or one of this in this case, the sad part of all of this is that we see the harms that this causes and then we get involved politically because we know this is wrong. But if we have a group of people in power that are not accountable at any level, that are stealing from us, lying from us, and literally physically hurting us, at some point we have to understand that we have to leave that situation. We're being abused. We're more than being abused. So it's time to stand up. It's time to join with people like us, join the APP. Let's hear the conversations. Let's try and take these people and hold them to account. Let's not judge them until we have the thing, but let's have the inquiries.

And you know what the problem is? We're pushing the inquiry through our CA board to try and get an SGM on this, on getting COVID information out. And the problem is everybody's afraid of what it's going to say. And why would we be afraid of that? And the other thing that we're finding because of what's going on is where the hell are we going to get a judge? And we're going to judge that's going to do this and be honest about it and do the right thing. And if we're at that point in our country, we have no faith in a judiciary either, then I think it's time for us to reevaluate, sit down and figure out that we absolutely need a new path. That having been said, I mean, you know, as somebody who is in the courts, you know, on these issues, right, I have to say

that Justice Beesby came, you know, came out with a really, really, really fair even handed decision on these issues. And what's remarkable to me is, and I'll say it again, Justice Beesby in that decision found that it was plausible, that, you know, that Kenny's cabinet had engaged in a plausible misfeasance in public office. Those are the words that were used in that decision. And, of course, you know, one of the things I'm looking forward to in, you know, an independent Alberta is having a new constitution and having checks and balances

is more akin to what we have in the American Constitution, because the Westminster parliamentary system doesn't work because the only check or balance on governments and executives is the so-called honorableness and ethics of our honorable cabinet ministers and our right honorable premier. And unfortunately, none of these people have internalized what it meant to be honorable in the context of the 19th century when, you know, if you were a member of Parliament in Britain,

and you've done anything to even slightly embarrass her majesty, the queen, it was expected that you, as a proper Victorian gentleman, would immediately resign from public office and go back to your country house in shame, right? But we don't have that anymore. We don't have that internalized, you know, societal pressure on, you know, on people to behave that way. So we can now have cabinet ministers

found to have plausibly engaged in a misfeasance in public office, and far from removing themselves from cabinet and cabinet decisions, they, along with our attorney general, who is also plausibly engaged in a misfeasance in public office as a member of the COVID cabinet, elect to spend our tax dollars to appeal a decision, finding them to have engaged in a plausible misfeasance in public office. Right?

So, you know, delay, delay, let's keep, you know, let's keep money out of the hands of Alberta businesses. Let's not settle a case that everybody knows should be settled because the Alberta government clearly illegally shut down every business in this province at the behest of the World Economic Forum's acolytes of Justin Trudeau and Teresa Tam that hate capitalism and abelism, right? So this is what we're dealing with. And, you know, people in this province need to wake up to the fact that, you know, it's our fault that this is going on. We need to be raising holy hell with the the Premier and raising holy hell, you know, with our MLAs that we're allowing cabinet ministers

to continue sitting in cabinet after having been found by a judge to a plausibly engaged in a misfeasance in public office. Right? And but again, you know, that's why, again, I'm looking forward to an independent Alberta because if I have anything to say about what our Constitution is going to look like, there's going to be a hell of a lot more accountability for our elected politicians and a relatively easy recall mechanism and certainly no ability on any leader of any political party to tell citizens of a rural CA who their MLA should or shouldn't be once they've, you know, once they've elected, you know,

their, you know, the candidate that they want to see is their MLA. I mean, you know, overriding the will of that constituency and putting Jeremy Nixon into, you know, into office and into cabinet was, you know, was one of the most questionable things that I've seen anybody do in a long time. And unfortunately, that was Danielle. Jason Nixon. Or Jason Nixon. Sorry, yeah.

We've got to get them mixed up with his brother. Sorry, Jason Nixon. Any final thoughts, gentlemen, before I let you out here? No, I just think what I'd like to share, the most important part of this, go get, you have to get involved. There's no, there's no way around it. The only way we win this is with a whole bunch of people pulling in the same direction. So I would ask you to listen, check the facts out, have conversations with your friends, include people, we are going to be so much better off once we clean this mess up that we will

believe I really understand that from what I'm seeing we will not believe how much better off we are and how much how badly we've been treated here for the last seven or eight or ten years yeah and what I what I'd like to do is I'd like to throw out a challenge to my fellow Albertans to use your imaginations you know sit down close your eyes for a second imagine what our province is gonna be like without sending, you know, $60 billion a year to Quebec, Ontario and the rest of Canada to be wasted by governments in, you know, in Ottawa that don't understand us. Imagine how much better off your families are going to be with a 10% flat tax rate

or, you know, not paying any federal income tax anymore, not paying carbon tax anymore. Imagine how much more, how much easier it's going to be to take care of your kids, get them enrolled in hockey, drive them to hockey when your, you know, when your fuel prices are, of what they are now because we've got, you know, we've got all of these people, you know, in Ottawa's hands out of our pockets when we eliminate GST excise tax and carbon tax, right? Just imagine how wonderful our province is going to be with all of this, it's not newfound wealth, it's our wealth, with all of our wealth staying in Alberta and having a prosperous, hardworking Alberta where people are encouraged to work in the private sector rather than

working in government, by cutting the size of government in half and putting all of those talented people to work in the private sector, you know, rather than soaking up dollars in our health care system so that we can't afford to pay our doctors, right? Imagine how much better our province is going to be. Imagine how much better your lives are going to be, you know, with all of, you know, with all of that happening in this new sense of hope and freedom in this province. I think, you know, Alberta can be a wonderful place to live. It certainly was a wonderful place when I was growing up and going to college. It can be that way again. But, you know, but But we have to literally, it's time to stand up and understand that Canada is not the answer for Alberta.

It never has been. And we need to imagine a new future where Albertans are wealthy and prosperous and are free to work hard and take care of our families, you know, without continually being kicked in the teeth on an arbitrary basis, you know, by some politician in Ottawa who thinks that they can change the weather through punitive taxation. So anyway, just with, you know, with those final thoughts. So thank you. Gentlemen, thanks for hopping on today. Thank you. Thank you very much.