Shaun Newman Podcast - #819 - Sam Cooper & Marc Cohodes

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

Sam Cooper is an award-winning Canadian investigative journalist and best-selling author, recognized for his in-depth reporting on money laundering, organized crime, and foreign interference in Canada. He gained prominence for breaking the British Columbia casino money laundering story in 2017 while at the Vancouver Sun and later expanded his work at Global News. His book, Wilful Blindness: How a Network of Narcos, Tycoons and CCP Agents Infiltrated the West, alleges that Canadian officials ignored a sophisticated criminal network tied to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), impacting real estate, casinos, and the fentanyl crisis. Marc Cohodes is a prominent American short-seller and investor, widely recognized for his ability to uncover corporate fraud and financial misconduct. With a career spanning decades, he gained fame as a general partner at Rocker Partners (later Copper River Management) from 1985 to 2009, where he exposed major frauds like Lernout & Hauspie and NovaStar Financial—the latter becoming a Harvard Business School case study. Known for his tenacious and outspoken style, Cohodes has targeted companies across industries, including biotech (e.g., MiMedx) and crypto (e.g., FTX), often predicting collapses before they occur.Cornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastSilver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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recognized for his in-depth reporting on money laundering, organized crime, and foreign interference here in Canada. The second, a prominent American short-seller and investor wildly recognized for his ability to uncover corporate fraud and financial misconduct. I'm talking about Sam Cooper and Mark Cahotis. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Sam Cooper and Mark Cahotas. Boys, thanks for joining me today.

Thanks for having us. We're quite the duo, Sam and I. Well, Sam, you've been on the show before. What I just want to do real fast is, Sam, you've been on before, Mark, you haven't. What I love to do when a person comes on for the first time is just give a little bit of their backstory so people know who they're listening to. Sam, obviously, I would love for, you know, in 30 seconds, if you want to promote, you know, the fact you have a book and people should probably pick that up.

But I'll start with Sam and then we'll go to Mark and then we'll get into a couple of the thoughts I have this morning and see where we get to. So Sam, just a little bit on your background. So people across North America are starting to know that I've been in journalism for 20 years, two years ago after serving at, you know, a broadcaster and starting in Vancouver. Hoover with media. I started my own website, the bureau. News, to unpack, you know, deep geopolitical stories that focus on an area that I'm a leader in the world in journalism. And that's understanding the nexus between illicit finance and foreign hostile state operations that are seeking to undermine

Canada and the United States. And I argue accurately, including in my book, Willful Blindness, that Canada has been substantially saturated by Chinese intelligence that uses organized crime, and by the way, works together with regimes from Russia and Iran to target influencers and politicians. And that's a big problem in Canada right now. And I'll say that people around the world, it's shocking, but it's now essentially this has come out in U.S. government positions and records, that this is the concern. Yeah, and I'm just going to do one last plug for your book, because after you came on the first time, I ordered it, and then I started reading it,

and it was funny because I just had Kelvin Crestion, not knowing who he was, he got suggested by a policeman out of Emmington. And so I had him on, and then, of course, I started reading your book. I'm like, oh, isn't that funny, right? Like, it's like right there. So there's lots of ties in. If people are wanting to dig into some more of this conversation, and I actually start to, like, understand it.

You can support Sam. And of course, then you can get to some of the information. Mark, first time on the show. Appreciate you giving us some time. Please, a little bit of background on yourself. Thanks for having me. I'm here because my hero, Sam Cooper's on too. But not only buy his book, subscribe to him at the Bureau.

You can get it free or you can pay a whopping $100 of Looney a year, which is about a Big Mac and a bag of 10 bits. But subscribe to them, follow them on Twitter. And he's great and he's a hero. About me, I'll be 65 in June. I've had an issue with Canada since 2014. Great place to visit. A handful of people are really nice up there.

The rest of them are corrupt and crooked. Sam and I met in 2014 in Vancouver. I was tracking down the largest mortgage fraud in the history of Canada. Home Capital Group. A lot of my work sort of intersected with Sam, and we've been fast friends for 11 years. And if you go back because the Internet never forgets, there's plenty out there on me in Canada, money laundering, mortgage fraud,

crooked politicians. And sadly, I've been dead right, dead right, on what has gone on, who's crooked, who's been exposed, the massive levels of crime. Sadly, I've been right. And now things are in just a complete death spiral. I don't mean to offend anyone. I call Canada, Arctic, Mexico. I have for a decade. So I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. I just hope to wake people up on how dire things truly are. But most people know me from the investment business. I'm most more famous shorting stocks than owning stocks.

I'm a skeptical guy. And I'm very easy to check out and verify. So on that note, Sam and I are a pretty good tag team partner on everything Arctic, Mexican. And while some of the things he says, and I say aren't really believable, again, sadly, they're true. So that's a little bit about me. and my adventures was Sam. Well, maybe I could, I mean, it's helpful to say that, I mean, I started as a young investigative reporter, having wanted to be a lawyer, but not go down that path, that I can only

report on documented facts. Mark reached out to me, as he says, about 10 years ago, basically saying, you're on to like a real rodeo in Vancouver. It's wild up there. And, you know, when we started talking, his quote was sort of like the crosswinds of organized crime and how they've captured your real estate market. You're just starting to dig into it, but it's going to be bigger. And, you know, as again, I have to be all fact-based, but Mark as like one of the best, you know, fraud detectors as a short seller in American history of investors, his sense of what's wrong and where it is, I've just found incredibly prescient. And he does say, things that even bother me as a Canadian, but a lot of them turn out to be, you know, years

down the road so accurate that I don't, I'm constantly amazed. So that's my caveat, if you will, when he says something that's going to offend Canadians, I've been offended too, but I can't, like, I can't question a lot of his wisdom and insight. Well, if I may, Mark, you're not going offend me today. I look at the state of Canada and I think it's high time we got to the bottom of some things and we've been working on it on this side. I'm happy to have you here. I've listened to you to go on multiple different times, multiple interviews I guess. And there's a reason why I reached out to Sam about having you on because to me you offer a lot of insight. So I'm very excited to have you both on. And I want to start with David Abbey. When I listen to you to talk about

to, you know, Mark, you having phone calls with him and saying, listen, this is what you probably should say to Trump and get on the same page, because there is a problem. You know there's a problem. He knows there's a problem. Everybody knows there's a problem. And yet we're going to ban liquor. We're going to, you know, go with this Team Canada approach and on and on and on.

Your thoughts on, David Ebby, B.C. And where we're heading here up north. Sam, feel free. Gentlemen, you two can discuss. I just throw a question. I love when the get. go back and forth? So I started up a little bit yesterday on Twitter because I think there's evidence out

there that Eby is now captured by the CCP. Sam can chime in a little bit. I think Sam's going to break some stuff on E.B. in the days and weeks ahead. So I'm sure not going to steal a thunder. But I view, you know, my relationship with Eby. I mean, Eby and I go back to 2015, 2016, 2016. I don't think I'm being bold or speaking out of school that between Sam and I, we toppled Christy Clark, who at the time was the premier in BC.

If not for Sam's in my work, she could still be in power. So I think Sam and I are directly responsible for coming with information which caused her defeat in the election. I mean, I knew Eby when he was just a simple MP out of point gray, and he's a brilliant man. He is the smartest guy in the room. He is an accomplished lawyer, and he knows where the bodies are buried in terms of money laundering, Chinese corruption. He brought the casino issue, and he's a friend. I don't think he's, I think he wants nothing to do with me anymore. after my outbursts on Twitter,

but he was going to come to my 60th birthday party in California if it wasn't for COVID. And my girlfriend and I were the two Americans invited to his inauguration. So I'm not speaking out of school that Eby and I are tight, and we talk frequently. So when the Trump thing about the tariffs came out, him and I had a call, long call, before he did his press conference.

And I said, this is your chance, right, to lead from the front. This is your chance to become the leader that Canada needs. And he said, what do you think? I said, well, you should embrace what Trump has to say because you have major problems in B.C. You have huge money laundering issues, which you're well aware of. You have huge organized crime issues, which you're well aware of. You have huge border security and drug issues, which you're aware of.

You know, to backtrack, I proposed something called the Cooper Commission probably eight, nine years ago, which would have been, if you cannot verify where your money was derived from and you purchase property in Vancouver, it's subject to seizure. And that would clear up all the money laundering that went on in real estate, including a $36 million house that was bought by a Chinese student, you know, with money from her dad. So I said, to E.B., I said, you're aware of the Cooper Commission. You're aware of all these things.

You go to Trump and say, Mr. President, we have problems here in B.C. And though your tariffs are unfair, I, David E.B., and the citizens of BC, we want to work with you, right? We want to trade with you. We want to work with you. In exchange, we need anti-money laundering and K.Y.C. help to solve this money laundering, fentanylundering, fentanyl, drug, smuggling, crime issue. Because you're dead right with what's going on here. and we

slash I would love nothing more than you to help us at the same time saying we don't want to become the 51st state you can understand that people are deeply patriotic here and we even wrap ourselves in the Canadian flag but the issues you bring up

sir are correct and Eby said you're dead right and I said why in the living name of God, would you side with the feds or in Ottawa because they do nothing for you. Trudeau's never done anything for BC. Nothing. I mean, he told me about funding issues, that the feds don't fund them properly.

There's RCMP issues. BC is like an orphan to the feds. They don't give a fuck. So why do you need to play this game with Trudeau on trade when you know Trump is right? You're aware, Eby, of the duffel bags of money going through the casinos. You're aware of the Cullen Commission. You're aware of Sam's work. He's aware of everything.

So instead of saying, you know, if you have an eating problem, a drug problem, a drug problem, a booze problem, a gambling problem. The first place to start is to admit you have a problem. Now, BC has a huge problem. You raise your hands now. Let me chime in. Mark and I both know that David Eby as an opposition politician, you know, a young NDP guy, brilliant young lawyer,

ran against Christy Clark in Point Gray, which is Vancouver epicenter. rioting of Chinese money laundering and interference. He beat Christy Clark and he really rode a wave of what Mark would call right and righteous reporting that stemmed from my work showing that China was starting to own the city. You know, Eby came out with a comment once, whether it was on X or in a news article, something to the effect that, you know, he understood that Vancouver's real estate market was deeply influenced by China. which has endemic corruption and capital flight.

So yes, he 100% knows about the problems that Donald Trump is aware of. I mean, how well does he know it? Another book people should look up is called The Mosaic Effect by Scott McGregor, a former, you're nodding your head, Sean. Well, I was just going to say he's coming on later this week. So I'm like, I'm into this world now of trying to get to the where you guys are. Anyway, let me tee Scott up for your, that'll be a great conversation. One, Scott McGregor is the guy that was working for the Canadian military and intelligence,

working for the RCMP, piecing together how Chinese organized crime, working with Chinese military is corrupting and undermining Canada. And, you know, Scott will tell you, he briefed David E.B., who when he came to power and was Attorney General in 2017, he went to David Eby and said, we're going to blow your mind the amount of money laundering through BC government casinos and real estate is insane. And not only that, it's not money laundering. It's a Chinese strategic play to undermine Canada. So you can ask him more about that. But that just goes to Mark saying that both Mark and I have had private conversations with David E.B. I can point your listeners and viewers.

to public statements Mr. Eby made, where Mr. Eby understood, heck, people can go to the Hogue Commission documents and find that David Eby papered the trail, going to talk to Justin Trudeau's National Security Advisor and saying, I, David Eby, have a concern of all the fentanyl being run into B.C. What should I do about it? I need federal assistance. I need federal assistance in Vancouver's port.

Here was a key one that I've reported for the Bureau. E.B. goes to Ottawa and tells them, what should I do with concerns of any candidates with linkages to organize crime or Chinese interference? How can I, David Eby, as the Premier, have the knowledge to respond to those threats? So I believe he was reflecting whether papering the trail or honestly asking. He had some idea that he faces big vulnerability. And people, again, you can go to the Hogue Commission records, you can read what I wrote about it. So the issues of China, fentanyl, Vancouver's port being infiltrated by organized crime,

David Eby knows this, but something strange happened. I think, you know, Mark and I recognize now. When Eby became premier, he starts to realize the benefits of donations from the Chinese-Canadian community that very unfortunately is gate kept by Chinese Communist Party assets. They're called community leaders. They're actually Chinese, you know, officials through something called the United Front or their gangsters. One of them owns a winery in central British Columbia is a former CCP official that's become a big donor to David Eby. I'll say two more things before ending this answer. Eby has an advisor that is a

you know, a pro-Beijing Chinese-Canadian journalist who's from Shanghai. He's an official David E.B. advisor. And my work attaches him to tight connections to the Chinese consulate, official connections to Beijing's United Front Work Department, apparently media activities that involve this David E.B. advisor in NDP government interference operations, Liberal Party of Canada, MP, support for a guy named Parm Baines, support for Patrick Brown in the Conservative Party leadership race. So the picture I'm painting is someone very close to David Eby, is a United Front agent. And the last point I'll add is that something that seems to have been key in David Eby's turn is there's a guy named Michael McGee, the former chief

of staff of Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson. Now, Gregor Robertson's City Hall in Vancouver was entirely overrun by Chinese interference. I know this from open source. I know this from a Canadian intelligence source. And so Michael McGee being very influential now in David Eby's campaigns, by the way, Gregor Robertson just announced as a candidate for Mark Carney. The picture I'm drawing is that the liberal party and the Chinese Communist Party have become very influential in the direction of David Eby. And that's what I think's going on with Eby. And to sort of put the cherry on top of the Sunday, I'm not being aggressive to say, if not for Sam and I, E.B. would not be in power today. Zero shot. Zero, zero chance. Sam and I made E. B.

in a period where Christy Clark was vulnerable through panda bonds and her dealings with the CCP and E.B. knows of this corruption. E.B. was in on the Cooper Commission. I had dinner with my girlfriend and I had told you a year and change ago he was going to enact the Cooper Commission in 2024. And he wanted me up there when it would be announced.

So something terribly sinister. has happened with Eby. Terribly sinister. And I said on Twitter yesterday that Eby's in on it. And I think through some of the revelations Sam has said today and more, it's clear E.B.'s in

on it. And he he's a smart, smart, smart man. He is the smartest man in the room. But to wrap himself in the Arctic Mexican flag and to pull this bullshit about elbows up and we're not going to drink

Kentucky bourbon. Who gives a fuck. Drink the water from the ocean for all I care. Or we're going to tax American trucks going through BC to go to Alaska. That doesn't solve the problem.

You have an organized crime, money laundering, fentanyl drug problem, not to mention the goings on on East Hastings, right in your backyard. Admit you have the problem rather than being an agent for the CCP.

It's clear gaslighting. But the thing is, he knows Sam and I know. And he knows I'm a very, very, very formidable adversary because I don't stop. And do we have the goods on them? Yeah, we have the goods on them. But it's not too late to come clean and say, the problems here are significant and need to be fixed. And not selling Kentucky bourbon is not the solution to anything.

It's not. And this elbows up bullshit. It's just that. It's bullshit. What are you really going to do? And this gets back into the 51st state territory thing. I think Canada will end up being a territory of the United States one of these days because I think Alberta, in no uncertain terms, wants out

and wants out in a big way because they're treated about as poorly as BC is. But the problem is, E.B., when you say elbows up, if Trump wanted Canada, he could take it in about four hours. He could block the ports, fly and land people in, fly the American flag, and say, you guys are now us. because the currency is shit, the economy is shit, inflation is out of control, and there's no end in sight until people realize the problems. So you brought up, E.B., I'm very, very, very disappointed in my friend, hugely let down.

And, you know, when you watch this podcast, Eby, do better. I mean, just do better. Sean, can I add that, I mean, there's an alternative path, and I think Jim Balsilli of Research in Motion nailed it in a podcast with Jordan Peterson. He says he takes the view, of course, as patriotic Canadians do not appreciate Donald Trump's rhetoric. And yet, Balsilli said, we're at a pivotal point where Canadians can either decide, yeah, we go with the plans of Justin Trudeau and Mark Carney, who engineered those plans that Iran plans, they're tax what we're good at, resources, don't protect our IP or encourage us to value add to our resources, but subsidize,

you know, the green energy plays that communist China and whoever, you know, is, you know, Michael Bloomberg or everyone else that meets in Davos is already an investor in the plans that Mark Carney wants Canadian taxpayers to subsidize. That will kill Canada. And as Balsilli says, whether we like it or not, turn us into Puerto Rico without a passport to add another kind of. That comes from Balsilli, which sounds a little bit reminiscent to what Mark says about Arctic Mexico. My point is Balsilli's got the economic and trade piece down. He doesn't nail what I nail that Canada's Asia-Pacific trade strategy run through B.C., essentially, started by Pierre Trudeau, is the key for.

factor in undermining Canada and everything flows down from like 20 or 30 families that kind of run Canada and parcel it off for themselves while screwing Alberta. And I know I won't ramble on because Mark has more to say about 20 or 30 families and how Canadians have been tricked into believing that we have, you know, a top flight democracy when really we've got sort of like a, you know, a shell game going on where it's being parceled off and, you know, the, the rewards are not flowing to the citizens as they should. If I may, I do want to, I do want to say any Canadian that's offended by how the U.S. is acting. It's like, well, it's time, you know, wake up. Stop being but hurt. Because at the end of the day, I sit here and I go, it was only a few years

ago where we had probably the most patriotic movement I've ever seen our country have. And they the Canadian flag a hate symbol. And then, you know, you fast forward. And that same symbol now, we wrap ourselves in and we're doing all these things and we're against the United States is like, but listen to, like, is, you know, to the Canadian, not to you to. It's like, but why? Like, just look at the, look at what's going on and start to be like, what the heck is going

on? Why are we letting these morons guide us, 20 families, whatever the number is. It's like, we can see it playing out in front of us. Just wake up and say, no. more. It's like, just no more of this. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's ridiculous. And then they put Carney in place and you're like, it can't, is this literally happening? Folks, it's literally freaking happening in front of us. Mark. A couple, couple things, you know, first of all, I'm not a Trumper. I'm not a political guy. I'm not a Trumper. I don't talk vaccine. I'm not religious.

I'm not a Trumper. But his, he does have a. big bang way of doing things. He tries to shock and awe you and knock you on your ass and then back off to try to get you to think. He knows the solutions, not terror. He knows exactly where the problem is with the money laundering and the crime and the drugs and the weak border. I mean, you talk about a weak border. Every criminal in Canada who's brought up their last name ends in a vowel. They're either Chinese, they're either East Indian. It's sing. They're not. Sing for the moment. Sing for the year. Right. They're not, their name's not Oli Evan Rood, who was born in Moose Jaw and, you know, has been there for 135 years.

Those, you know, the normal, and again, I'm not a racist. They called Sam and I erase this for a dozen years, so I might as well get into it. The immigrants of China have, the immigrants of Canada have destroyed the country. Now, a lot of them have helped, and a lot of them have been productive, and a lot of them have made great lives for themselves. But it's the 5% of the bad apples that screw it for everybody. It's the guy who the DOJ busts for selling 600 kilos of cocaine a week. Half a ton of Coke a week. The DOJ and FBI busted this Canadian low life, right? And he actually had numerous mortgages with a friend of mine's bank where she runs compliance.

And she complained about this guy to Fintrack for three years, and Fintrack did nothing. So it's the loose borders of Canada. it's the money laundering. It's the financial crime. It's the fentanyl. And it's the politicians being greased by these criminals. And I said, you know, a year ago, Canada's run by 20 to 30 families on Twitter. And I said, the rest of you are serfs.

That's S-E-R-F-S, you know, back from the feudalism days. Right? And no one wants to hear it. Right? And everyone responds by, well, you're an American, you guys have problems there. No fucking, no disagreement. Right? No disagreement.

But I'm a self-made guy, right? I live in Montana. I live in California. You know, I can rise above the garbage. But the serfs, right, the median income in BC is $80,000 a year. median income of BC. Median house price, a million one. That math doesn't work.

And the math really doesn't work because money launderers and criminals don't pay taxes. The family making $85,000 does. So the hard workers are supporting the criminal element in Arctic Mexico. So the vicious cycle is, horrifically bad. It's not Bill Morneau, who's married to a McCain who's going to feel it. He has properties outside the country. He can always flee. Justin Trudeau is going to flee.

He's not going to end up living at Lake Muscaca. He'll end up living in the Caribbean or New Zealand or someplace in exile. So people just need to wake up that the guys in power are gaslighting you, making you believe this is a patriotic thing, that this is an attack on the maples. It's not. It's an attack on your sanity. It's an attack on your intelligence. And it's going to be an attack on your way.

way of life. Because if Carney gets in, and I'm not saying PP has it all figured out, if Carney gets in, he's going to seal the deal in six to 18 months with foreign bad operators. No doubt

about it. No doubt in my mind about this. And again, don't take my word for it. Just check me out. Check out everything I've talked about for the past dozen years. Check out what's Sam has said for the past dozen years, we've been spot on this thing.

And look at what I mean. To Mark's point, look at who Carney is picking to run. Gregor Robertson in Vancouver, who I'm saying with confidence, together with Christy Clark, opened the doors at scale to Chinese money laundering, called the people that looked into it racist. David Eby was on the right side of the equation. Back then, he's on the wrong side now. there's discussion that Carney wants Christy Clark to run, but they're, you know, they don't know if that will alienate their left NDP base too much because she's such a, such a lightning rod for, um, if I may, Sam, you, you raise a really interesting point because here in Alberta, Amrjit Sohi, the mayor of Emmington has stepped away from being a mayor to run for the liberal party. And what on the conservative

side we see is they have this like level of like and and I assume the liberals is the same way okay and that is that you know if you're going to run for the conservative party they're going to they're going to do this deep dive into who you are and if you got bad social media post well you can't you can't you can't do that right and so they they knock off all these amazing candidates and when we watch the liberal party right now you got carne at the top and you watch all the people who are stepping up to run and you're like well that's that's a corrupt politician and that's another criminal and and i'm like this is it's literally i've been i've been trying to figure this out my brain right because i see carney i'm like oh my god this is literally happening right in front of me and i

go to you two brilliant fellows who've been on this for a long time like it literally looks like the mafia the mob whatever we're going to call it is about to take over our country or it's already been taken over for a long time you know i was i was saying to you sam before we we got going i'm like You know, when I do the TD Bank thing, October 2024, which isn't that long ago, they got fine for $3.1 billion for money laundering. And then if you just do a little deeper die, and show to Ken for me and him talking through this, you got Frank McKenna, former Premier of New Brunswick. He's the deputy of chair of TD Bank.

He's also a director of Brookfield Asset Management. Well, who else was a director of Brookfield Asset Manager? Mark Carney. And you start to do all these ties and you keep building this web. and I'm assuming I'm speaking to the choir, the choir here with Sam and Mark, but I'm like, I guess the question is, is are we literally, this election here coming, April 28th,

is it like, everybody's like, oh, Pierre this, Pierre that, and I'm like, I understand it. Is you getting everything right? I don't know. But it looks to me like maybe a little bit of sanity, maybe a little bit, versus like literally handing the country over to the mob, to the mafia, to the corruptest of the corrupt.

Before Mark chimes in, I like the work you did there with Frank McKenna, so I know Mark will have some room to roam on your comparison to the mob. But look, Canada China Business Council, Scott Bryson, who will not be an unfamiliar name, Sean, to your political watchers, former key Liberal Party minister. You know, I would say questions around him. a chair, I believe, of the Canada-China Business Council, one of the top donors to the Carney campaign. And look, the Canada-China Business Council is essentially one of these key families in Canada. They're called the Demerese of Montreal. The organization is called Power Corporation. They had- Throw Power Corp in there. He's part of it. Well, let me just, I mean, finish on this. Look, the Power Corporation,

My work has shown, among others, have direct ties to Chinese offshore banking tycoons that are involved in Chinese intelligence operations of the type that the current State Department of Marco Rubio is very concerned within Panama. So the Power Corporation has direct business and family relationships with Jean Crechein. They're the backers of choice. I mean, they are the power behind the throne of liberal. Prime Ministers. Everyone in CIS on the China desk knows this. And Scott Bryson, being, you know, at the top of Canada China Business Council and back in Carney, that tells you exactly about the power behind Carney and the direction that a Carney government will go in. And I'll toss this in very carefully. You know, I and some others noticed that a very interesting RCMP suspect in the China Police Station story, who's in involved in so much more that I won't disclose today,

a key backer of the Liberal Party and a number of important people in the party, you know, was named, apparently to the board of this Canada-China Business Council, which blows my mind. And I'm sure it's not lost on people in the CIA and FBI and Homeland Security that know a lot more about these vulnerabilities with Justin Trudeau and his circle than I do. Mark, mob Canada

Of course It's mobbed up In this 20 to 30 family thing Which I brought up again About a year plus ago And everyone else is the surf This election is do or die I mean this is

This is This is the final tug at the slipping rope If Carney gets in With his people Both legit and illegit The country is finished Just finished and the currency is going to be finished.

And you'll become a U.S. state or territory whether you like it or not. And the thing is, right now, in my view, Alberta holds the key. Because I think that's, what's her name, Danielle Smith? She's a legit operator. I happen to actually like her a lot because she's a badass bitch who speaks out. and she is not afraid to speak truth to power. And she, you know, she'd get a hold of me, and she could pull what I said with Eby,

because the feds do nothing for Alberta. All they do is steal their resources. All the money goes one way. The feds do nothing to help Alberta. And I said on Twitter that if I was the king, I would trade Georgia, Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi to Canada for Alberta. Alberta holds the cards.

And if Alberta says we've had enough, right, we've had enough with this organized crime, all this bullshit, all what's going on in the country, we want to be part of a United States territory. Not the 51st state, but a territory. I think there's a lot to that, and a lot of people would like it. And there's a lot of good that would come from it. Now, is the United States the end-all-be-all-no?

Far from it. But at least you can move from place to place. At least you can keep your money, albeit you pay taxes, albeit you can make a legitimate living. And instead of being in Edmonton in the debt of winter, where Celsius and Fahrenheit crossed at, I think, 35 below, you guys could... Minus 42. Fine, minus 42.

I missed school that day when they taught me the metric system. You could at least live part-time in Arizona or Florida. So to me, she holds the keys because Toronto, which is the financial capital of the Banana Republic, right? They're all in the tank, as are the lawyers, as is the RCMP, as is OSP, as is OSFI, as is the media. you know, Sam in the United States would have won five Pulitzer Prizes for his work. But in the media, which is government subsidized, he's unemployable. He can't work for any media company in Antarctic, Mexico, which is why he does what he does. And again, subscribe to him, ladies and gentlemen, and pay for it.

Just don't do the free because 100 loonies a year, again, you can buy yourself a happy, meal at McDonald's in a bag of 10 bits, you know, support the man because good content should not be free. But, you know, again, this shit is hitting the fan as we record this, right?

E.B., who I had faith in is completely in the bag. Carney has three passports, never been elected to anything, and how anyone can take him serious, is a minor miracle. And it's time for the serfs to rally and speak up.

And because this is zero hour right here. Yeah. So let me, I mean, people are going to listen to this real talk conversation and then say, you know, Mark is encouraging Succession, Alberta. Sam Cooper is not a patriot. And, you know, look, Mark's message isn't much different. from what Jim Balsili is saying, that is Canada is at a fork in the road, and you don't have to like Donald Trump, but what he's trying to extract, in my view, is partly related to the very real possibility of a war with China. Maybe he's muddying the waters with some trade dominance. I'm sure he is, but he's also making Canadians confront this harsh reality that they've essentially been lied to for 30 years by a lot of.

Laurentian elite. So we're talking about 20 to 30 families and the governments that, you know, they support who have not been distributing the benefits of this wonderful, highly potential superpower, potential country should be a superpower if common sense people like myself and if Mark was born Canadian were making policy. Sean, yourself as well, we would be a superpower by now, but we're all tied up in knots and the only ones benefiting are these what where did elbows up come from it sounds like sunny ways to me it sounds like gerald butts cook that up i'm a canadian patriot and i'm getting i i just like we need to look like i'm in if i may gentlemen i'm a canadian patriot live in alberta and the only way to fix all uh fix canada in my mind is by alberta putting a referendum for him on leaving yeah and and and and i don't don't mean that to be like, I don't like the rest of Canada. I love this country.

When you talk to the highest levels of lawyers, they can all see. We're literally tied in knots. And to get them untied would be moving a literal mountain to get to anywhere. Mark. The ironic thing is the most Canadian, the most patriotic Canadian is me. There's no financial benefit for me on this. I have no positions in Canada, none. I don't stand to benefit by any of this.

I'm actually trying to help you clowns and everyone else out with a clear path. Now, what happens one day when Carney gets elected, if he gets elected, hopefully not? What if Russia and China tried to invade Canada from the Arctic, from the north? Right? They can easily do it. They can easily do it. Then what's Canada going to do? crawl to the United States

and beg them for help, then the fights over when that happens. And that's the true risk because Canada doesn't really have an army, they don't really have a Navy, they don't really have anything, they have huge resources that are in Alberta and are locked in

where, you know, it's kind of like you may not like the way I say it. You may not like Sam's message. You may not like it. But the problem is, it's the fucking truth. And if you don't like wake up, you know, if you're trotting around at 480 pounds smoking three packs of sigs a day and think you're not going to have a stroke or heart

attack, well, let me tell you, one day you are. Now, it may not be tomorrow, but it could be a week or a month from tomorrow. This is all going to happen, right, with or without the three of us talking about this. But what pods like this or Sam's work or. or listening to me or following me on Twitter, which is at Alderlinghs, we're just trying to get y'all to think. Think for yourselves. Act responsibly.

Say, what the hell is our way out? Alberta's way out is getting the hell out Arctic, Mexico. We all know Quebec wants out. We all know the prairies are upset about all the tariffs. They'll go to the highest bidder. and then you're left with the financial capital, the Banana Republic, Toronto, and CCP, you know, West, Vancouver.

That's all you guys got. Well, if I may, one of the things that, you know, you talk about Alberta leaving, it's, it's, it's, the political realm of how to do that is, is complicated. And I hear a lot of Albertans who are upset with what, what's going on. for specifically the last 10 years of the liberal government are waiting on the election,

which we now have finally a date. And for the longest time, nobody could tell us when the election was coming, right? And we had all these different dates. April 28th is coming. And one of the things when I'm listening to this conversation, and I'm understanding how corrupt we are across the board, right? When it comes to where you're talking premiers, you're talking MPs, you're talking the head of the country, the prime ministers, bears.

You're, okay, it's run so thick. Banking, banking regulators. Right. Crime regulators, media. Don't stop it just a few. Right. So you go, okay. So Mark Carney gets the liberal leadership nod to become the prime minister of Canada.

And the night before, they knock off 250,000 registered liberals so that only 150, get to vote. Okay. And that doesn't even seem to like stir the notion of anything in Canada. I'm like, is nobody, we're not going to talk about 250,000. They knocked over, what is that? Like 60% of the voters, boop gone. And, and okay, so now we're going to an election. You guys keep pointing out how corrupt everything is.

I'm like, Sam, I don't, I don't know if Mark could, I'll ask Sam first. Like, when you look at this election coming up, we're all going, it's this or not. Well, they know that too. They know that too. Let me. So is there any chance this is actually going to be a legitimate? election knowing how Canada works where the votes need to come from the fact that out west we know we're going to vote blue but it doesn't matter because if it goes a certain way out in the east

we're hooped anyways like i don't know sam your thoughts yeah let me i'll point straight to a document that i reported on i as you know broke the chinese interference story i had more documents that the globe and mail who got into the game because for certain reasons you know uh but look a document said that the conservative leadership race of 2022 was interfered with by key proxies who bought Conservative Party leadership memberships. As a matter of fact, to be clear, it didn't say the Conservative Party. It said a Canadian political party in 2022, but that could only be the conservative party. I'm just being transparent here. And so it said this key proxy was buying memberships for this party so that it could influence the party to become less, quote, anti-China.

And so this fits in very exactly to the work that I have done pointing to David Eby's key pro-Beijing columnist advisor, who was key in the support of Patrick Brown for the conservative leadership race and how surrounding David Eby's key advisor is a Chinese winery owner. and all these people that are listed as Beijing's United Front Work Department leaders in Vancouver, which is a key note of interference. So what I'm saying is there's already a precedent that the conservative leadership race was infiltrated by key Chinese proxies at the highest level. I'm saying should be in Vancouver, should be connected to a well-known BC Premier.

You asked with whatever 300,000 memberships for the liberal, party. Okay, one, we know due to my work that Canada's election threat monitor says that Christia Freeland was attacked on WeChat in the very same way that Kenny Chu was in the 2021 election. We know through open source that Chinese media very clearly was supportive of Mark Carney. We know the guy won by something like 86% of the votes in a completely opaque, black box liberal party leadership. We know also that, you know, a lot of Canadians exposed the absurdity of that leadership contest by like filing sort of membership saying, I'm Xi Jinping from, you know, Hawaii. I want to just to show that the process was garbage, right? So yeah, probably a lot of fake

memberships were thrown out. But within that black box were memberships, you know, secured by Chinese operatives, I would say 99.999% to 100% chance that lots of Chinese operatives voted for Mark Carney. I wait to be proven wrong, but I think the plausibility of that is extremely high. So look, Mark Carney, the leader, sketchy contest. Now we've got Gregor Robertson, potentially Christy Clark, candidates that I'm certain were already part of the interference findings of in 2019 and 2021 are running for the liberals, including Parm Baines in Richmond, who beat Kenny Chu. No one can tell me that Parm Baines isn't subject of the NSAe Cup report. So I think I've said, will we have a real contest? No, we've got a contest that China already has deeply interfered

with. Calistani separatists will be interfering in a number of parties. Hindu nationalists will be interfering. Iranian organized crime will be interfering. But what's the antidote? As many Canadians as ever vote in an election, go out and vote, and then we will have a free and fair election. By saying that, I'm saying there will be the most interference we've ever seen. But Canadians that aren't influenced, if you all go out and vote, they can't, you know, they can't skew the contest, I believe. Mark? Canadian election interference is over my pay grade.

other than Eby barely, barely, barely won not many months ago, and that was probably tinkered with in Vancouver. Gregor Robertson is, you know, he belongs behind bars, if nothing else for treason, as does Christy Clark, as does Mike Dijon. You know, the question is it's up for everyone who listens to this to figure out you know, how you want your future to be. And, you know, maybe if Carney gets elected, it will hasten Alberta's departure from Canada

into a territory for the United States or maybe China or Russia will invade Canada from the northern border. I don't know. I mean, it's more than obvious to me. I'm not going to kiss and tell. hell, but Sam and I have been approached by, I'd say, people of the highest order in the world about what goes on. So people who matter take us very, very seriously, very seriously. So we're working very hard behind the scenes to bring some sense to this insanity, you know, away from.

doing podcasts and things like that. But, you know, people who matter know our message, they know who we are. They know we're right. It's just a matter of how it's all going to play out. But, you know, you doing this, these podcasts, Sean, are very important. And I think the key message is everyone listening here as an adult.

you all had some level of schooling, you truly need to think for yourself and drop all this patriotism stuff. It's fine to be a patriot. Fake patriotism, that is. Huh? Fake patriotism. Yeah.

Fake patriotism. Whatever it is, this elbows up bullshit or Canada Juan or Team Canada, whatever it is. No one knows what Team Canada is. Is Team Canada, the Hamas demonstrations in Toronto? Is that team Canada? Is it the selling 600 kilos of Coke a week

and saying you're in the trucking business being some illegal immigrant from Eastern India? Is that Canadian patriotism? Canadian patriotism smuggling fentanyl and fentanyl derived things in from China in the ports of Vancouver? Is that Canadian patriotism or EB getting influenced by the CCP? the sad thing, and I sort of want to close with this and let people think, yeah, you can make a lot of money and resources in Canada

and some private businesses you can make a lot of money. But generally, Canada, you can't really make a lot, a lot of money. It's not, the economy has been proven out, it's not that vibrant, which makes paying off the media, the RCMP, the OSCE, OSFI, politicians. It makes it easy because people can be bought cheaply there, which is like a huge problem. So roll it back, folks, roll it back 20 or 30 years

when the country was great, realized what the hell has happened, and you guys can decide your own fate. Sam and I are here to help. I'm not getting paid for anything. Right, I've made my money in my life, right? I'm not doing this. No one pays me to speak out. I don't stand the benefit.

I don't own property in Canada. I never intend to own property in Canada. I've been sued there. I've been investigated there. I've been detained in airports there. Every bad thing that can happen to me in Canada has happened. And I'm still here to try to help you all out. Can I ask you, Mark?

Like, I think your motivation is you've traveled up to Canada. You're taken with the beauty of the country and you like Canadians. To me, that's your motivation. Taken with the beauty of the country, taken with Canadians. I have some really good friends there, you being one of them. And it's sickening to me to watch innocent, God-fearing people get taken advantage of by the worst of the worst in the hardened criminals and get so duped. just get so, just so duped with what goes on.

You're so trusting and innocent. I call them the kitten and rainbow crowd. You're all kittens and you enjoy looking at rainbows that you just need a hard reset in the way you think. I mean, the people in Vancouver get more upset when the team loses the Stanley Cup than when they do when their city gets infiltrated with the Chinese. Right?

They tip over cars. riot. I mean, that was the most emotion I've ever seen the people in that town display was when they lost the Stanley Cup and they rioted. They don't riot over China taking over the country.

Why do you think they go elbows up, gentlemen? Why do you think Carney's skating with the Emmington Oilers? The fucking guy misses an open net. He misses an open net. He did. But you're hitting the nail on the head mark, which is red and cert. Yes. And the one thing that, you know, if you say what is Canada, I would say for most Canadians,

what immediately pops to mind is Team Canada playing at the Olympics or the Four Nations Cup or whatever. It's a very national, it's, it is an international sport, but it should be. And I think every Canadian thinks it is. So Carney's going around, bringing in Mike Myers, right? And you go, Mike Myers hasn't lived here for forever. Mike Myers has made his money in the United States. my Mike Mark he hasn't made shit in Canada same thing with that goofy I can't argue that thing with that goofy

right face fucker O'Leary he hasn't made anything in Canada I mean he was the scamster with Stockke and the learning company he's made whatever he's made in the United States no Canadian same thing with the Lulu Lemon guy no one's made any

legitimate money in Canada other than the 20 to 30 families who run the country. That's the joke. You know, that's the joke in plain sight. The people who control the company, right, their families,

you know, McCain, you know, all these guys mentioned Power Corp. All these guys. It's all legacy Canadian money. See, now the RCMPs at the door. Gentlemen, I appreciate you doing this.

hope it won't be the last time. I love throwing things out there, two guys who are staring at Canada. And I don't know. God bless you, you two are on the front lines fighting it. I'm just trying to do my part from wherever the hell I am. But you guys are fighting the fight. Appreciate you boys hopping on and giving me some time this morning. Thanks for having me.

It's fun. Do it again.