Shaun Newman Podcast - #820 - Keith Wilson

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

Keith Wilson is a prominent lawyer based in St. Albert, Alberta, known for his extensive experience in cases involving land, environmental issues, oil and gas, water, compensation, and constitutional law. He operates through Wilson Law Office and has been practicing law for over 25 years. He is recognized for his advocacy in landowner rights and has been involved in high-profile cases, such as representing Freedom Convoy organizers in 2022, where he worked with the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms to ensure legal support for the protesters. We discuss whether Alberta should become an independent country, what the steps would be and whether there is a case to stay in Canada. Cornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastSilver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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Let's get on to that tale of the tape. He's a prominent lawyer based in St. Albert, Alberta, known for his extensive experience in cases involving land, environmental issues, oil and gas, water compensation, and constitutional law. He's been a practicing lawyer for over 25 years. I'm talking about Keith Wilson. So buckle up. Here we go.

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Keith Wilson. Sir, it's about bloody time. It's been a while into making. Sean, I'm thrilled to be on your program. Yeah, well, I tease. Folks, I tease. But it's great to see you on this side. As we're just talking, been trying to get Keith on here. You know, I don't know. It's probably been a couple of years. And it just never seems to align on schedules and everything else.

So to finally get you on is, well, I'm looking forward to it. Now, it being your first time on the podcast, I've got to stop saying this. I just don't know how better to say it. I'm a comic book fan. I like the way Marvel did it. You know, a little bit of origin story. So it being your first time on the podcast, I assume everybody knows who you are. But in case there's somebody, you know, we got an audience down in the States and all across Canada. Maybe there's somebody who's never stumbled into Keith Wilson before. Just tell us a little bit about your backstory, who you are. And we'll let everybody get up to speed on who they're listening to today. Sure. Well, I'm a litigator.

I'm a lawyer. I've been litigating and lawyering for 30 years now. I'm a Kings Council, which is an honorary designation if you've achieved stuff as a lawyer. And, but I've spent most of my career. I'm originally from Ontario. I spent six years of my life in the lower mainland, but I've spent almost all of my life in Alberta. And not only that, I worked interestingly in my early 20s. I worked for almost nine years in a government office called the Farmers Advocate of Alberta. It was an office created by Peter Lahi when he took out the Socrates to focus on the discontent in rural Alberta over a number of issues, including the impact. of the oil and gas industry. And the Farmers Advocate Office was an ombudsman type position and dealt, you know, so many calls a day from farmers all over across from Lloydminster to two hills, to Medicine Hat, to Pinscher Creek and everywhere in between. So it really exposed me to the culture of Albertans and the cultural diversity between even Lloyd Minster and Wainwright, for example.

So there's that. I dealt with a lot of property rights, environmental, animal health, regulatory issues. Then I went into private practice dealing a lot with fights against government, fights against oil companies, representing landowners, ranchers, and others. And had some interesting, very fundamental learning experiences that would give me tools for some historic events that I would, turned out I would become involved in. example, I was involved in the trace out of the Mad Cow in 2020 or sorry, whatever year that was, I'm forgetting a long time ago, but the BSE crisis. So I was heavily involved in that

and deep into the government emergency operations centers and all the mechanics of it. Some years later, I represented the farmer for the Zutonic Transmission H1N1. So I was dealing with government officials and emergency response centers and crisis in that. And then I'd done lots of other stuff and sat and watched the government mandates on COVID in despair about what was happening and what was happening with these government policies and overreach were doing to my kids, to my friends, my neighbors, their businesses, our social structures, and became very concerned. My wife, who's a retired RN university-trained nurse, she was looking at the medical science during the COVID policies and said it doesn't make sense.

There's just some of this is just flat out wrong. Something's going on here. It's all politicized and propagandized. So I decide she told me for the first time ever because I always take on too much work that I had to get out on the front lines. It's 2019. We've all been locked up or we're about to be locked up. 2020 we're locked up. So this would have been in the fall at 2021 that she told me I had to get involved.

and I said the two smartest things husbands ever said, I said yes, dear. And off I went. Justice Center Constitutional Freedom's contacted me. I agreed to take the Peckford Charter Travel Mandate Challenge, representing 6 million unvaccinated Canadians, the client being the last living signature to our charter and water constitution, and went into battle with the federal government, cross-examined 16 of their leading experts.

The admissions and the evidence that we got out of that was just spectacular. And, of course, no legacy media covered it at all. In the midst of that, the Freedom Convoy started in January 2022. I watched it with interest and awe and fascination and hope, like millions of others. And I got a call on the convoy arrived in Ottawa on the Saturday. I got a phone call on the Tuesday from a team of lawyers that had been assembled and I'd been told that they'd been contacted by Tamara Leach and others in Ottawa and that they needed legal help on the ground and I was asked if I would go to Ottawa.

The next day, fly in and lead a team of five lawyers on the ground. I did. I was there until the end of that until the beatings and arrests started and the protest was over and I'd been involved in helping. some of the key people like Tamar and Chris Barber and Danny Bulford, Tom Razzo and others ever since. I've sued on behalf of them for their bank account freezes. And in addition to all of those things, I've studied carefully over the years the whole idea of Alberta leaving Canada and becoming its own independent country.

Before we get into Alberta leaving its own, you know, all that jazz. I'm curious. This is well before COVID. You said you were on and I forgive me. I don't know what you were on, but you said BSE traceout, I think is the word you used. I remember having on a lady who had an elk farm around Lloyd and she talked about, talked to me in the middle of COVID. I was doing these archive interviews so somebody can go back and find him. It was Glenda Elko. And she was talking about how the tracing of COVID.

resembled BSE. She's like, literally, they did this to animals, you know, years ago, we had a herd of elk. They traced it out, and then they'd have to wipe out the entire herd because of one animal having this. And then, you know, and at the time, I thought, oh, that's a wild thought. You being on it from a lawyer's standpoint or whatever position you are, what do you remember about BSE trace out and what that looked like? Do you think it resembled COVID or, or I'm just, I guess I'm just kind of curious. That was a big scare, I guess, in the farming, cattlemen world and what you recall from it. Yeah, well, it was terrible because what they were doing is they reopened a closed meatpacking plant in Saskatoon because the number of animals that they were calling was just remarkable.

And so they would, the CFIA inspectors and the trace out people and all the different government, officials that were in their emergency operations center. They were using a really peculiar, overreactive traceout method, which I had to convince them was wrong. Unfortunately, I did, and we changed course and we solved the problem very quickly. So they were using this approach that if there's any possibility of any contact or crossover, even theoretical, they would go, So if you had a herd, a 600 had, you know, big cowcalf operation near Lloyd, and I'm using an arbitrary, Wainwright, you know, Bonneville, whatever. I'm not using a real case. And you happen to have bought, you know, 20 head replacement heifers at the auction market where these animals that were known to be herd zero may have been at at one time.

they would come with a convoy of cattle haulers and take your entire herd and go slaughter it, right, and render it, not make any use of meat or anything. And so I took the approach. I still remember when they made their announcement after they adopted the report that I was involved in doing, we worked through the night on it because the international investigators were coming the next day to decide whether they're going to start to reopen some of the borders. and if we could show that we'd properly traced and tracked and contained, then we could get the borders, some of the borders open. So anyway, we used a deductive logic approach of identifying every positive animal from the herd and tracking them down. So if we could physically lay hands on or evidence of it, so we used the brands. I was legal counsel for livestock identification services, the brand inspection service at the time. And we activated an emergency response center in their head office in Calgary.

So what we did was, I still remember I got a call. It was near Grimshaw. And they were down to one animal they couldn't find. And they were scouring and on horseback and everything else. They found this dead animal rotting in a slew. But the brand side was underwater. And they said, we're pretty sure it's it. It needs the description, but we can't see the brand.

They said, do we got to go take it out? I said, you're going in, man. Sorry, sorry for the maggots, but you're going in. So, yeah, we accounted for every animal, which meant they didn't have to do this explosive, overreacting drift net approach. So I do see the similarities to the overreaction of COVID. You know, as many medical experts and epidemiologists and public health experts have said, this is the first time we quarantined to healthy.

So there was a parallel. When you look back at that or when you're walking in and I forgive me, it sounds like it's almost the 11th hour. You know, you walk in and and are brought a part of trying to track down and find a way to give them a good case for opening borders back up. Why do you think they went to like just like theoretical contact where people just panicked that like all of a sudden this plague was coming to Canada and it was going to like I just, I was too young to remember BSE. I remember my, I want to say my dad and some of the neighbors being really concerned about it, more so from them showing up with cattle haulers and taking away your entire herd than them actually having BSE, right? Yeah. Why?

And I don't know if you have an answer to this. Just curiosity's sake, when you walked in, what was the big worry about like getting like theoretical contact? What a wild thought process. Well, I mean, you get the group think in there. These are, a lot of them are bureaucrats and there's a reason, there's, there's some very good people in government, but there's some not, you know, top drawer people. And there's a reason they decide to work for the government and not work in the private sector. I'm sorry, it's just true. And they also like grandiose schemes, you know, like why have, why, you know, if you got to fill out a form, they want it five pages instead of half a page.

You know, it's just the culture. It's the way the beast works. Lots of people wanting credit. Well, if we've got to search all the way into Saskatchewan now in Manitoba, and you're the Saskatchewan head for the CFIA, well, suddenly you're more important now. So, yeah, let's go into Saskatchewan because I want to be more important, too. There's all those kinds of petty interpersonal dynamics at play with bureaucracies.

Now, if I fast forward to you, right at the end, you said, you know, I've been here for a long time. And basically, you know, I have my thoughts on Alberta and independence becoming their own. Now I think I'll put words in your mouth, whether it's a country or, you know, there's been 51st state, et cetera. I guess like, do you think they should, do you think Alberta should be independent? Well, I use the most important test that anyone can ever use to answer that question, which is my wife and I have four kids. and they're now all young adults. And I look at the struggles of the cost of living.

I look at the limitations of opportunity that are a direct result of deliberate policies of the federal government. I look at how much wealth is generated through the hard work and the entrepreneurial spirit of Albertans, whether it's in the resource sector, whether it's in the agricultural sector, whether it's in the tech sector, doesn't matter where it is. And we're sending all this surplus money, not surplus money, but part of that wealth that we're generating through our work and our smarts, and we're giving it away, and then we look at how it's being used. Look at the continual mismanagement that's coming out of Ottawa

and how it continues to drive up the cost of living. It's just remarkable if you travel to other places in the world, and you start, you need that to see how incredibly, stupid our costs are getting just for a bottle of water. And so I asked myself, under what future scenario, will my kids have a better opportunity for a happy and prosperous life? The answer's crystal clear. It's not staying in Canada. Canada provides so little to us and we provide so much to them and much of what Canada provides is neon neck don't like us extremist ideology policies keep our resources in the ground always making it harder for us to continue to do what

we do so that's my view i i just it's obvious to me um you know is it controversial for me to say that sure because we'd like to have pride in our country i men saw that in manifest in the most vivid ways during the Freedom Convoy. But I have to be realistic. And they're just a different culture in Eastern Canada. They see us differently. They always have. I'm a student of Western Canadian history and Canadian history.

They've always seen us as a colony. We've always seen us as a supplier of things. You know, go back to the Canadian wheatboard. There are no Canadian wheatboard in Ontario. You need the government's permission as the sole buyer. You know, like there's all these things. There was the crow. tariff on shipping things.

There's always these policies that they have to keep us in control, to keep us not achieving our potential, and to sending huge amounts of wealth and money to central Canada and most importantly, most significantly, Quebec. You know, I'm a, you know, I changed my tune from hockey to COVID politics, faith, separation, I don't know, just tack on all these different themes that have slowly started to bubble up since 2021. So, you know, when it comes to, you know, previous movements in Alberta or Western Canada, let's say, I'm pretty new to it. I do recall Waxit. I remember going to the meeting because I was

frustrated that Justin and Trudeau got elected for the second time. And so we're sitting here now knowing April 28th, we're getting an election. And, you know, in one breath you go, well, Pierre Poliab gets in you can sit and argue with what he might do for alberta or might not do for albert i just look at the general population and i go this conversation will mean zero zero like i to me i think it just dies and maybe you'll think differently but if but if carney gets in then like everywhere i go it was just literally today i was sitting with a group of uh uh business owners and one of the guys just started joking and this is wherever i go they just seem to joke about I don't know, dollar for dollar, I can become American's fifth for a state.

And yet the push to get it there, to get a movement to actually do something that's almost impossible when I look at the referendums, unless Daniel Smith herself called it, you know, to get a citizen-led referendum on separation is not impossible, folks. It's definitely not impossible, but it is a steep climb. In order to get the steep climb, you've got to have the wind in the sails or catch the 100-year wave, whatever you want to call it. And if Carney gets in, I feel like the conditions would be absolutely perfect. But maybe I'm wrong. Your thoughts, you've been staring at this a lot longer than I have. Carney is makes Trudeau and Gabon look like a trip to Disneyland. Like he is obsessed with getting rid of fossil.

fuels and Alberta leading the way and keeping our resources in the ground. This guy's crazy. He is dangerous. If he gets into power, the level of control, I think he's going to want to exercise over all aspects of our lives. I mean, is he going to give us, you know, when you talk about something, when you listen to somethings he muses about, you know, are we going to be given a travel allocation, that we can only emit so much fossil fuels in a year related to travel. Are we not going to be allowed to sit around the campfire at the lake with all the generations that will gather around a campfire and tell stories and pass on wisdom? Because, you know, you're burning a piece of firewood and it's emitting carbon.

So this guy's scary. I think he will go ahead with things that he's talked about. And I think that there's a real possibility that will push so many Albertans to say, no, we're done with this. We're not going to let this type of harm be imposed upon us and our kids. It's wild. I don't know about you, Keith, where you were sitting, what was it January? I want to say it was January, folks, forgive my memory of like, it just seemed like, Like, you know, we were in an argument on whether Pierre Poliop was going to walk in day one and axe attacks and, you know, defund the CBC and on and on and on and on and people were upset about different things that, you know, he was and wasn't going to do.

And, you know, his ties to other things and, you know, Ukraine and Russia. And I can go on and on and on and on and locks in Kearney. And everybody stopped for a second and looked at that one. Is this really going on? This is really happening. And then, you know, like I keep saying it because, you know, the more I say it, I, I, I feel like it just hopefully is people are starting to like, yeah, that's wild, right? Like the liberal vote for their leadership had 400,000 people registered, 250,000 number. And then we'll rationalize it open. We'll say, oh, there was a bunch of people making fun and they were doing different things.

I'm like, 250,000? Do we think 250,000 Canadians registered for that under false names and everything just to poke fun of it? It's like you can't get 80,000, you can't get 50,000 Canadians to do half the stuff. But now we're going to say it was 200, like we're going to jump on that? I'm like, I don't know. That seems, and that's been just kind of slid under the radar. You got like a higher vote rating across the board than freaking Putin. It's like, come on, folks. Let's just see this for what it is.

You know, I don't know, once again, I guess in my life, I'm green to the political realm. and I'm trying to pick it up as fast as I can. It feels like some days are information by fire hose. But I look at this election coming up, and I'm trying not to be too pessimistic. I'm trying to be like, well, 28th, we're going to get her answer. I hope Canadians are going to go vote. Like, I really hope they're going to go vote.

I really hope that the East isn't bought off or whatever by Kearney and the things that have gone on. But the power structure in this country is kind of messed up. Like, the longer I stare at, I'm like, I can't believe this is how we function for as long as we have. Keith, am I looking at this wrong way? Or are you like, no, you're just getting to where a whole bunch of Albertans have been for a while? It's the latter.

And, you know, it's crazy. I mean, there's two things that come to mind. One is the voting pattern in Eastern Canada, and by that I mean Central Canada and Eastern Canada. But most importantly, the voting pattern in Ontario and Quebec. And even at the peak of the polls for Polyeb over the last five or six months, if you take what the breakthrough landside supposed to be for Polyeb, and then you look at the liberals and then the NDP, if you added the liberal and NDP vote together, it was still more than the conservative, you know, assuming the polls right and I don't. But my point is that that means there's more people that like what the government in Ottawa has been doing to the country than there's people that don't like it. There's there's this culture in Central Canada. I really noticed that I went back to, I did my first year law school at Osgood Hall in Toronto.

And I had to transfer back to Alberta. I just couldn't stand the mindset. This complete acceptance of government controlling all these aspects of people's lives. And it's not just not an acceptance of it. It's like they wake up in the morning and it's like, well, the government better be looking after everything that needs to happen in my life today kind of mindset. Right. Whereas the people in Lloyd Minster and the people in Pinscher Creek and the people in Grand Prairie, they get up and they say, geez, I hope the government's not going to get in the way from getting all the stuff done today that I got to get done.

Right? It's completely different mindset. So they're okay with these things. They're okay with these concepts. So that's why they're continuing to support them. So we're just different people. We have different values. We have different goals. We see the world through a different lens. We have different ideas on how people achieve their potential and happiness. And, uh, and that's existed for a very long time. And so that's my one comment. The other thing about the voting, you gave the example of what happened to 250,000 votes for the federal leadership, is the liberals have so spectacularly corrupted all of our key institutions. Now, we have institutions that are checks and balances.

And the way they've worked traditionally in Canada and other modern democracies is not, not all the checks and balances have to work, right? It's just one or two of them will work and they'll catch a problem. So, for example, we have so many scandals. Like, it's remarkable. It's not even almost newsworthy, you know, it's like, oh yeah, another scandal. And we see the circularity. They create the $400 million slash fund, and then they go and give $20 million or 10 million or whatever multiple different millions of grants to the Eurasia group, which is butts and Carney's wife. You know, and just let me pause for a minute.

The analogy I like to use is the corruption and the scandals that used to happen from time to time in all governments, of all political persuasions, where like the guy going into the corner grocery store and with a big coat on and looking around when everybody's busy at the till and grabbing some chocolate bar, sneak him in his pocket, and maybe buying a bottle of water and leaving the store. Now the liberals walk in, they grab a box of chocolate bars, and they walk right past the cashier and go, I'm taking these, right? Like, they don't even seem to care when they announce these various things that we know are just leading into one scandal to the next. I might even say it's worse than that. Obviously, that's. Obviously, that's

bad i don't need to not like but like you look at i just had on sam cooper and um uh does great work oh yeah and we got talking about it to me and maybe i'm wrong on this hey some liberal listen to this and be like sean what about this liberal person but when i look at the liberal party of canada the federal party it's almost like they're attracting criminals and welcome them them into their ranks. Hey, you're going to come run with us? Great. Let's do it. Let's get in there and let's take as much money as we can. And I was having this discussion with a friend earlier that you know, you watch the Conservative Party and they have not been exactly on the up and up on a lot of different things. But they're, you know, from my eyes, some of us like,

oops, you said that. No, we can't have you in here because, you know, then they'll play this card on us and we can't do that. Whereas the liberals are like, well, it looks like you stole a million dollars come on in this is the this is the party for you and when I'm watching this federal election play out I'm like it's literally the mob the mafia the cartel whatever you want to call it running for the government of Canada and having a shot I'm like that makes zero sense to me unless it's all smoke and mirrors and Canada's gonna come out on the 28th and they're just gonna vote in Pierre and be done with it I mean I could be wrong maybe maybe the PPC

is going to steal a seat or two. But it doesn't look like that. It doesn't feel like that. I shouldn't say it doesn't look like that. It doesn't feel like that. Sorry, PPC. I just like when I look at this, it looks like the mob is running the liberal party.

So if that were true, how could it come to be? And one of the things that used to happen, you know, you might remember a long time ago, there was the orange juice scandal where Bev Yota, a cabinet minister in the harper, government, some receipt showed up and she'd paid $15 or $25 at some hotel for a glass of orange juice. And there was such an outrage at the misuse and the taking advantage of taxpayer dollars that she had to resign.

Okay? Well, why did that happen? It happened because we had a very strong effect of vocal opposition, both on either side. You know, we had the liberals being vocal opposition to the conservative government that had the orange juice scandal. And we had the NDP and probably maybe the Greens a little bit. While we know what's happened with oppositions, sing. He sold his soul for his pension. He sold out the country and his party for his pension.

And his next Gucci watch or Gucci bag or Rolex watch, I meant to say, You know what I'm saying, the Maserati. He probably does have a Gucci bag, Keith. Come on. Well, he does have a Gucci bag. There's pictures of it with him wearing his Rolex, getting his Maserati. You know, he's a man of the people, eh? Because we all have Bose.

And so you've got that. But then the news media would be relentless. They would chase down that minister when she's going to some announcement or some other event. What about the orange juice? What about the orange juice? What about the orange juice? and now the opposition so that's another check

and balance is the legacy media. Well they don't do it. And of course they don't do it. I've had discussions with very capable reporters with, you know, Globe and Mail or National Post or whatever.

Toronto Star, CBC, CTV, global. I keep going. And, you know, I remember they interviewed me one time right after I got back from Ottawa on the frame convoy and I gave the guy like an hour and 40 minutes and answered all his questions behind the scenes. And I said to him at the end, I said, you're not going to, you're not

going to write a story on this. He said, yeah, I am. I said, well, your editor's going to not let you publish it. Because I said, if you cover a third of what I said, you're going to make the convoy look not bad. And that's going to go against the government narrative. And your editor's going to say, look, we got a choice, Johnny, I'm making up a name. Do you want to, we can't make payroll unless we get these big checks from the government every month. We're going to have to let reporters go. One of them's going to be you and you're not going to make your mortgage payment. So what do you want? Right. And that's why when I got, when I was representing Peckford and sued on behalf of six million Canadians who'd had their fundamental mobility rights grossly being violated

on ongoing and a recurring basis with the vaccine mandate for travel at a time when we knew the vaccine and it was accepted that it didn't stop you from getting it or transmitting it. So what's the point of the restriction? And no Canadian newspaper would cover that story. The fact that the last living signature of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is suing the son, sitting prime minister of the Prime Minister Pierre out that he negotiated with, that's news. The fact that he's doing it on behalf of six million unvaccinated Canadians, that's news, right? No coverage. Why? They didn't want to upset the paymasters. The legacy media sold their soul.

And that was not the case 10 years prior. They would have covered this like mad. That would have brought pressure combined with the pressure of the opposition. Well, what's another one? The police. How is it that the RCMP are not investigating so many of these scandals? That's scandalous. And the answer is clear. And it became very evident at the public inquiry into the invocation of the Emergencies Act in October and November 2022. That is Brennan-Miller cross-examined Commissioner Lucky, the head of the RCMP at the time. She sits at the pleasure of the prime minister. If he doesn't like what she's doing on any given day, he picks up the phone or tells Katie Telford to, fired. Right?

That should not be the case. So so much pressure. And now they've got a lapdog commissioner in there doing nothing. Oh, they're going to investigate these allegations against Premier Smith and Alberta Health Services. But oh, no, we're not investigating any of these endless lists of scandals where there's independent investigators are coming up with all kinds of documents, excellent work like Andy Lee and others. So what I'm saying is the checks and balances that are traditional. in place to keep a government honest and to slop it slipping into this gross

corruption is have all been compromised and and even to the point the court I believe the courts have been compromised when you look at some of the decisions they pulled lady blindfold down the blindfold on lady justice rather she's not supposed to look to see who I am or or who my clients are supposed to apply the law and that's that how that wasn't happening so we're in a bad place so on top of all the normal reasons that Albertans who are fed up with the mistreatment of Ottawa,

forcing us to not achieve our economic potential, depriving us through their extremist laws and policies of having the ability to produce our wealth, we're also looking at a completely corrupt system in Ottawa,

like with something we've never seen before. You know, if you go down a hypothetical, Obviously, we can't see the future and we don't know what happens on April 28th. But let's just play a little game today, if you would. Let's assume Mark Carney gets in. And Alberta separation goes off the, you know, Richter scale. And then let's say you could hit every stipulation to have a citizen-led referendum.

You know, you have to get so many signatures in 90 days. I think it's 20% has to come from 58 different. riding so each of 58 writings you have to hit a threshold of 20% of each riding of signatures it's a it's a high bar regardless let's just assume that you could get a referendum on the table whether it goes that way or daniel smith goes we're having a referendum on leaving okay let's just either way it doesn't matter what do you think would be uh the biggest i don't know is it the is it the is i don't know opposition is it just going to be meeting is going to be because like one of the things with you representing people from the freedom

convoy you have seen the biggest smear in I don't know history or close to it from a Canadian perspective you've seen all the different actors come out and through their song and dance and and not talk about all the information and on and on and on I look at one of the most resource-rich provinces in Canada and the world. I'm like, you think leaving this is going to be easy, folks? Like the cards are stacked against us. It doesn't mean it can't happen. It just means all the things got to come together.

And then even if you could get all the things together, what do you think would be, what do you think Albertans should be ready for? Well, making a difficult decision. I really see parallels here to a matrimonial breakup. And we've all seen the situation where someone's in a bed. We'll all have had friends in this category. Your friend is in a bad marriage and looks like your friend is going to pull the pin and divorce and start afresh in life.

but then the other spouse something happens they get a new job they quit drinking whatever things sort of seem to get a little bit better so the talk of the divorce and the separation subsides but then something else happens and it comes back up that's the ride we've been on i think you know there was all this hope with the triple east senate remember the first time i saw preston manning speak. I was in my early 20s and he was pushing the Tripoli Senate and the reform party and everything else. Well, we had Stephen Harper as our prime minister, you know, like, where did that whole Tripoli Senate go? I just think fundamentally there's a dysfunction in Canada that's not sustainable and we will continue to struggle along as Albertans. I also think, too, that there's a lot of,

you know, legitimate misunderstanding about things. The one that might, I have these little pet peeves when I listen anonymously on Twitter spaces. And the reason I listen anonymously, because sometimes when they see my name, they stop talking about stuff and I don't get to hear what they're really talking about. They want to ask me a million questions, right? So I prefer to just listen and learn from what people are thinking.

Is this whole idea of crown land. This is one that keeps coming up, and it drives me nuts. People think crown land means federal crown. It does not. There's the federal crown, and there's the provincial crown. Okay?

So when I sue the federal government, I sue His Majesty of the King and the right of Canada. When I sue the Alberta government, which I have done on occasion for drainage and flooding and other screw-up cases over the years, I sue His Majesty the King in the right of Alberta. Okay? So the crown can be either the federal crown or the provincial crown.

Almost all of our land in Alberta is Crown land. you know, outside of deeded areas, the white areas, we call it, because that's how it appears on the map. Historical, white meaning the settled area. And almost all the land in Alberta that isn't owned by an individual is owned by the Alberta government as provincial crown land. And the only federal crown land in Alberta is the National Park, so Waterton, Banff, Jasper. Wood Buffalo, and then the military bases, Suffield, Edmonton, and Wainwright. That's it. The rest of it's all provincial land. When you look at the responsibility, some people think that the federal government's responsible for health care. Do you know how many hospitals, hospital beds and doctors, frontline doctors and nurses that the federal government employs? Zero. It's all provincial, right? Health care is a provincial responsibility. Yes, the federal governments support health care through funding, through transfers, which are part of the money we sent to Ottawa under equalization and stuff.

So forestry, all the forests in Alberta are, every tree on crown land is owned by the Alberta government. The land on which that tree root is into is owned by the Alberta government. The fish in our lakes, Alberta, the water in our creeks and streams, Alberta. Like I can go down this list, jails, courthouses, airports. Are airports federal or provincial? Provincial. Why do I say that? The airport authorities, which are provincial creations under provincial statutes, are the ones that own the land at the airport, the buildings, the structures, and administer it.

They pay a licensing fee to transport Canada, and they have a contract with NAF Canada to provide air traffic control. But airports and the regulation of the plane, once it moves, is flying in the air is under federal regulation. But the ownership of the infrastructure is Alberta. Jails, courthouses, the federal government in our courts of superior jurisdiction, so the Court of King's Bench, appoints the, selects the judge, but they're paid for by the province, their office is paid for by the province, the building is paid for by the province. I could just keep going. Where I'm going with this is if the federal government were to sort of like go on strike or something tomorrow, it'd be a very long time before we noticed anything different. They don't look after the electricity.

They don't look after your water supply and your municipality. They don't look after your highways. They have such a limited role, jurisdictionally, constitutionally. But the way they behave with their policies, they have this incredibly oppressive role on our lives and our economy. So then you think, because, you know, I had Jeff Rath and Mitch Sylvester on.

Now, forgive me, folks, because I didn't listen to that. You know, it's been a few days. One of them was talking about a referendum this year. We got to get out. And the other one was going, well, we should get her pension first. And then we should get the police force and we should get this. It should be more of a systematic approach to it, right? Pull all the things back and then when you have control everything manually.

What are your thoughts? Well, let's just talk about the mechanics of how it works. That will help you see what my answer to that question is. So what's really unique about Canada is the Supreme Court of Canada in the 1998 reference case dealt with can a province legally succeed? You know, succession, leave the country, become its own nation state or join another nation state. And it happened in the context of course of Quebec. And the court said, yeah, there is. and in fact, once there's a referendum held by a province on a clear question of becoming independent

and a clear majority vote in favor, then here's where it gets really interesting. All the other parties, because some people will say, well, you'll never get an amendment because the amending formula. The amending formula doesn't matter at that point. because we're not trying to get along anymore. Alberta is not asking to amend the Constitution. We want nothing to do with the Canadian Constitution anymore. So what happens is the courts have said that all the other parties, which would be the federal government,

the provincial governments, and First Nations are under a positive legal duty to enter into good faith negotiations as to the details in terms of the separation. Much like if you're a, your friends are getting divorced and your buddy says to you, yeah, well, I'm, I'm supposed to go down to court and they're telling me I got to do this, but I ain't doing nothing, man, I'm ignoring them. It's like, well, how is that going to work out for you, right? So in other words, it's just not an option to say, well, I don't like this process so I'm not participating.

That wasn't the question. So there will be lots of litigation within the litigation, but the bottom line is there's the courts have made it clear that they will just not let these things not be resolved. parties have to enter in. So let's use the First Nations as an example. They're going to be faced with the number of choices. There's a lot of First Nations that aren't happy being ruled, you know, under the thumb of Ottawa. They haven't been a great controller of their lives. A lot of them don't like it, right? They're not the best at supplying water and nice homes. We've seen that. So the first nations would have a whole series of options. One is they could take their reserve and cut it out and that'll still be Canada.

They'll have to cross through Alberta to get to the rest of Canada, but that's completely possible. We have these enclaves of countries around the world. There's a number of examples of them. Another option would be the government of Alberta as a nation state could just say that same agreement, you have with Ottawa, we will now deliver on. That's simple. Flip of a switch. Instead of riding, instead of flying to Ottawa for meetings, you're going to go to Edmonton, right? And a third one would be they renegotiate their treaties. That's something, whenever you enter into an agreement with a party, one of the things that you can always do with that party

is decide, both of you decide there's a better way. So there'll be a number of options there. This idea that the First Nations will have a veto and that's the end of it. No, that's not what the Supreme Court of Canada said. That's not the law. So that negotiation would take place. Given our incredible wealth, our natural resources, our oil and gas, and the continuing and growing demand for them around the world, we're going to be in a hell of a good negotiating position.

And even if we have to take a haircut on how much of, the federal debt we decide to take over, the instant savings of us not sending these huge amounts of money every year to Ottawa to be largely given to Quebec. The advantages of us having a more efficient, a demographically speaking actuarially pension plan. There's another benefit there. The idea of some people, you got to think, do they travel at all? I get a kick. Like, when you're in Ontario, outside of Ottawa, think about it, Sean. You're driving on the 401. You're going maybe to Mississauga or you're going to down to Niagara Falls. How many times do you see an RCMP cruising? Zero, right? Because they have the OPP. So the normal hierarchy in a Canadian system is having the RCMP in Western Canada is a complete anomaly. It's like it's a patch job. Normally you have your municipal police and then you have your provincial police and your provincial police will fill in for municipal police in communities that are too small. So like Athabaska or Wayne Wright's RCMP. Yes. So Erdoin Minister is RCMP. So if they decide to have their own municipal force, that's fine. Like the city of Lacombe has its own police force. Lecombe.

So we're going with this is in Ontario, they have their municipal force. Police and then they have their provincial police. And they only use the RCMP for the rarest of things. They have a very narrow rule. Well, we can do the same thing here. So in other words, if Alberta became a province, there wouldn't be a lot of work to make these things work. You would send an offer out to the RCMP saying, on this date, Alberta becomes a province. We're creating the Alberta police. We're offering you a job. Same terms as you have today. Tell us your uniform size, you know, so we can get you the new uniform. It's not like we'd have to tear down police stations and rebuild one. So I think when you break down all of these different pieces, it actually can be done

far easier than one might think. I think if Carney gets in, the question is going to be so obvious and so stark, it's not going to be a matter of tweaking with institutions like the Canadian, or like the pension, the Canadian pension plan or EI or police, as much as I support all of those things, I think we're going to be faced with a very serious question about do we want to go into left-wing extremist government that is hell-bent on harming us and our kids and their future and their opportunities or not. And if we don't, I think the support for a referendum will be strong. And then on top of that, I used to joke years ago, not that many years ago,

that, boy, wouldn't it be neat if those of us who think Alberta would be better off as an independent country could get Trump interested? And then all of a sudden he's like, hey, 51st state. And I only think there's some really interesting, far out there, eccentric groups out there right now. They're like, oh, no, it's got to be done at the nothing. There is no way you're going to get every province to agree to join the United States. I think there's a possibility you could get Alberta and Saskatchewan to agree to join the United States. And interestingly, the legal vehicle through which these decisions are made is provincial through a referendum, as we've discussed with the Supreme Court of Canada decision,

in the reference case and the subsequent clarity act. So we are in fascinating times because not only are we fed up and want out of this bad marriage, this abusive, exploitive marriage that we have with Canada, we have a suitor who very much sees us for our true potential and how much Albertans have to offer and is saying, Hey, hi. Hi, Alberta. Donald Trump here. And, you know, he's a real estate guy from New York.

And they like acquisitions. They get on edgy and break out in hives and stuff if they're not inquiring things. So we are in a fascinating point in history. You think, I don't know, I'm curious to quote conversations you've been having. Like, I know on this end. Well, as I just said, earlier today, it was in the draft. restroom, there was a conversation around it. And on the weekend, there was a conversation around it.

And everywhere I go right now, people are staring at their pocketbooks and going like, and it's, you know, it doesn't matter where you go. The grocery store, you know, you go fill up with gas. Yeah. If you're a McDonald's person, you stop it to grab a Big Mac, you know, there was a joke going around about that and how much it costs now. It's just, the cost of living is gone up exponentially. So one of the easiest things people say, can you imagine if we got the American dollar, dollar to dollar to ours?

And they could just give us that. And then not to mention all the, you know, all the rights and different things that. And plastic bags and plastic straws again. Right. Right. There, you know, I forget what it was. It was, oh, man, what was the text that was sent to me? This is terrible. As a host, I should never pick up the phone, Keith, but I'm like, I really want to read this off.

Because it's like, if you, oh, here it is. This is Arthur Schopenhauer. If you want to reach a large audience, appeal the idiots. And I don't mean to say that we're all idiots wanting plastic straws and plastic bags. But realistically, you know, what are people talking about? They're talking about the dollar. They're talking about the American dollar.

Just having that. And what it would mean. Having plastic straws and plastic bags, you're not wrong. It's these little simple things that people just want. They just want life. They want government. out of it just stop and if carney gets in you know like can you if you would have asked either of us i assume five years ago you want to be alber you want to be the united states 51st state you're

like uh i don't know is it you know like i would have had to sit there and chew on that for bit and right now i'm hearing more and more small business owners roughly are like yeah yeah just sign me up just sign me up and the thing is is then if I go to a just a touch larger business owner, they're like, no, I'm still Canada. Then they talk about it for a long time. They're like, but if Kearney gets in, I actually am a lot closer and I thought I was. And I'm like, oh man, this is, this is really fascinating because we're that close. And then there's even larger businesses.

They've already started. They've already got second locations in the United States. They're already doing things to make sure that it doesn't matter what happens in this election. They're going to be protected. their business is going to be protected. And like, I think we just had Shane Getson on Friday on the mashup. And his abruptness and bluntness of what he was saying, I think the Alberta government is like pleading with Canadians.

Like if you want this country, you want unity, don't vote in the liberals. That's not exactly what they said, but that's how I took it. Maybe my audience will change the way I think. But that's what it felt like. And I'm like, this is where we're at. Or what are we? How many days away for an election? And Alberta 51st isn't that far of a stretch? Well, you know, the, I am seeing more and more people want to have this discussion about how feasible it would be for Alberta to become an independent country.

recognizing the opportunity to negotiate some kind of unique economic union or otherwise with the United States. But I'm also noticing when I have conversations, which I do very regularly, with lawyers and others back in Central Canada, how they think that everything or most of the things that you and I have talked about in this podcast should result in you and I being in jail for treason. They just find any discussion of anybody thinking, and they're passionate about it. I was on Rebel News a couple of weeks ago

talking about this topic, and oh my God, the emails that I got and the message is, holy smokes. But of course, the law is clear, and there's a law in the books called Declaren. Act that we are allowed to talk about succession and we're allowed to take steps to make it happen. Where I'm going with this is it's a manifestation that so many people in Central Canada just don't see the world through our lens.

They don't have a problem with this. They don't really give a shit about Alberta's issues and they just want to carry on with their stuff. They want our oil and gas to come through line five and make sure there's jet fuel so they can take their holidays at Pearson. Yeah, come through line five but not realize it goes through the United States. Yeah, I know. I just loved it.

I was doing it. You know? Cut it off. Right. Hey, go. Cut it off. Are you guys serious? Do you know what you're talking about? I would say, you know, when I go back to what's the, you know, for Albertans, if we ever got there, what's the biggest opposition that we all in our souls should prepare for is exactly what you're going to call you every name on the book.

And if you've been a part of this community and through, you know, COVID and everything, you've already been, it's almost like a badge of honor on your, oh, they got a new one. called a traitor. Okay, sounds good. Slap it on me and let's carry on. But if you've never been a part of what... So is a traitor, anti-science or prosody? Which other... We need Venn diagrams. We keep track of this, this slandering.

Well, I mean, to me, that's what's going to come next, isn't it? If this actually builds momentum, Carney gets in, and it goes ballistic. It goes supersonic. Oh, it has to. They're literally going to attack everything. They're going to attack your

I think about Carney as well. And I usually don't say what I'm about to say, but I have to hear. Research his wife. Like she's not a dentist, a doctor, a chiropractor, and engineer, or school teacher, or stay-at-home person. She is a rabbit extremist global warming cult. She's right there. So, I mean, he's got to go home each night to her saying, you know, how come you haven't, you know, restricted people from traveling by air? How come you haven't, you know, put this whatever 100% increase on here to stop people from driving cars and instead taking the bus?

So, and then you look at his own things that he's written in his books and his saying that only banks should invest in things that are net zero. And then all the banks started to realize that's not a good thing. and over the last number of months, most of them have given up on it. But yeah, no, we're in big, big trouble if Carney gets in. It's going to be ugly. It's going to, it's going to be a fast-track to Venezuela-type conditions for Canadians

in my sincere and considered view. Keith, I appreciate you hopping on with just a couple of minutes left. Is there any final thoughts you'd have for, I don't know, Albertans, Canadians? whether it's the separation conversation, that is, or whether it's the election coming up, anything on the top of your mind or you want to make sure that people know about.

I would be this. The road ahead for Alberta to have a prosperous future for our children and our grandchildren is actually not that complicated. I listen to people on these spaces and they say, oh, you've got to invoke some treaty of this and then you've got to get 16 people in the Senate and then it's like, no, no, no, it's not that complicated. We're unique. The Supreme Court

of Canada has ruled and laid out the clear steps, the pathway, the federal statutes in place, the provincial statutes are in at least Alberta. And it really comes down to people thinking about what situation they would be better off for them and their children. And The mechanisms to make it happen, I think the disruption to people's daily lives would be minimal. There's still going to be airports. There's still going to be police. There's still going to be this, that, you're still going to be able to bank all of these things. I think people need to not get distracted by the details and the confusion and the shouting from the sidelines that will get increasingly louder.

and understand that there is a clear, logical, legal pathway to make this happen. It's a big decision, but we're in an abusive relationship, and it needs to come to an end. Just one final thought for me then, or one final question maybe. When you talk about it being, like, simple, I enjoy that. I enjoy that you're trying to straighten out the bends in the road. Listen, folks, this is what it is. It's a clear question, clear majority, and then it triggers a whole bunch of things. don't get caught up in the details.

The one detail I am very curious about, though. Sure. In order to get to where we have, and I don't know why I'm pointing at it, for the people can't see it, never mind. In order to get to the clear question and then the clear majority, you have to have a referendum called.

And I understand, can Daniel Smith call a referendum tomorrow on separation? Can she do that? So Daniel Smith doesn't need any, like obviously she's going to need the ground support. Let me be very precise. Yes. Under our provincial referendum legislation, the lieutenant governor and council, which is the fancy name for the cabinet.

So all the cabinet ministers sitting around the table chaired by the premier, she can call a cabinet meeting. She can send out a message and say, we're having a cabinet meeting at 7 p.m. this evening. And they will all assemble. And she could say, I want us to agree that we're going to hold a referendum. on succession. And all in favor, passes, order and counsel is issued, and then they work out the details. Now, interestingly, we have municipal elections coming scheduled in October. And that's ideally because you're mobilizing all of your voting infrastructure. So that's when we did it before, when we did it on equalization, was done in conjunction with a municipal election,

if my memory serves me right on that. But in any event, regardless, the opportunity for at very low cost, you're already assembling all the polling stations. Everybody's already going there, lining up, and going to check. It's just one more box they're going to check to vote on. And so, yeah, she doesn't have to recall the legislature,

the legislature's sitting. She doesn't have to pass a bill. I know someone had something on Twitter over the weekend about some bill. They could do that. but they don't need to because they already have one that is specifically designed for constitutional questions expressly. So that would be the step if the Premier decides. And she's made it clear. She made some very bold statements this past week.

Well, and then I add that into Shane Getson be on the show. And I put those two things together and, you know, I'm just reading between the lines. I'm like, if there is a clear way that you can, that you're pointing out, boom, she could do it. Then you need a clear question, clear majority. what would be your clear question? If you were writing the question, what would you have as the clear question? Well, I have penned it out in the past.

I don't have it handy. It's something you'd want to give a lot of thought to, and I don't want to just do it here. But it would be something along the lines of, do you support Alberta becoming an independent country? It would be yes or no. right it'd have to be something very clear what they're being asked no no qualifiers no ifs no no conditions just a very clear question um yeah that's that would be my answer to that man alive you know i'm glad you came on keith because i bet you're like i don't know folks is this the seventh conversation we've had around this we've had a lot of different lawyers and and and just people on talking about this lots of uh people commenting on this conversation right started out as Canada 51st state. Is that even possible? And then it became a clear, clear answer to,

I think, Westerners, that that would be a terrible idea, to join as one state, that is. And and then, of course, that started to bubble and simmer and all of a sudden this idea of Alberta 51st or Alberta, it's independent country. And you kind of get that. And then you start to get it, well, that is even possible. And one of the things that I think you've impressed upon me today is that it's a lot more straightforward than people think. But the straightest path is having Daniel Smith at the helm of it, which means she has to have a groundswell of support like nobody's business to be like, we want out. And I don't know exactly how a groundswell of support looks to a premier, but I assume that's a flood of emails and everything else going to all the

different constituencies and them seeing this play out across, what is it? the 87, 87 writings, I think it is, 87. I'm pretty sure on that. I think it's Sydney, Grosby. But regardless, thanks again for, or sorry, any final thoughts. Yeah, yeah, one of the things that I've been musing in my mind, and I'm glad I remembered it while we're still on, is it's just so obvious. Like, if you take the emotion of the history of Canada and the emotional attachment of

the patriotism, and you just sort of park that for a moment. and look at this as a as a more sterile decision about economics and freedoms and things like that. What arguments can Ontario make to convince me that I should, that me and my family should stay in Canada? Like what are you going to offer me? Because we're giving you a lot, right? Hey, Quebec. why should we continue to stay in Canada? Why?

And there's not what, I have tried to put the other side's cap on. You have to do that as a litigator all the time. And I can't come up with many good answers. Well, I look at this and I go, the longer I stare at it, they don't really have a good answer for you, one. But two, when it comes to media, and what we're seeing outplay right now with Donald Trump and the tariffs and Team Canada and the Team Canada response

and elbows up and now Carney's got the commercial with Mike Myers and you know like all this we're all Canada now we went from a hate symbol to wrap ourselves and that warm Canadian flag because we're all Canadian now is that is what you're going to be up against like it's not what they can offer you it's what they can do to you until it's done and they will exercise from what my eyes are Keith and maybe you can cough talk me off this ledge or at least this position that like you go down this road you're going to face the machine. And the machine has chewed up. Friends of mine, you know, friends of, I think a lot of ours

that stood up for a lot of the things that we believe in. And you're representing a few of those, but you rattled them all off at the start of the show. And Tamara Leach and Chris Barber, they're friends of the show. Danny Bullford, friend of the show. Tom Razzo, friends of the show. And you go, like, you want to separate? Buckle up, folks, because you think Canada has turned on you through COVID.

I just, I'm no longer naive to this. You want to go take away the bread and butter of a country. You best buckle up because it is going to be an absolute information war until it's done. And even when it's done, I don't think it's done. So I appreciate you making it straight though. To me, I think you're laying out like Carney gets in. You just need the ground support, which will naturally happen. to push on Daniel Smith to time it out with the municipal elections.

And maybe you could have a question this year. Maybe Jeff Rath isn't wrong. That, that to me makes a lot of sense. And in a world where I sit and talk to way too many people, at times it gets more confusing. And you come on and you're like, I don't know what to think of that.

And today you've straightened a few things for me. Well, thank you. That's very kind feedback. Hopefully, this isn't the only time you ever grace to the show, but appreciate you finally getting up. It's been long overdue and appreciate you hopping on, Keith.

Thanks for having me. Let's stay in touch.