Shaun Newman Podcast - #827 - Dallas Brodie

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

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serving as an independent MLA in the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia. I'm talking about Dallas Brody, so buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Dallas Brody. Ma'am. Thanks for hopping on.

Thank you, Sean, for having me. You know, you've been all over the news headlines. Before we get to any of that, I'm curious who you were before all this. Before you enter the political realm, just a little bit about your backstory, before we get into, you know, probably what you never thought would be the Dallas Brody calling card. Sorry to make light of the issue. But I mean, like, you know, if you search your name now, a certain story is going to come up,

a certain narrative is going to come up. Who was Dallas before you entered into politics? You know, like, just tell me a little bit about yourself. Okay, so born and raised in Vancouver, went away to the United States. I went to Princeton University from my undergrad and then law school at UFT. I practiced law in Vancouver for a long time. I did about six years of corporate and securities and real estate work. And then I went out on my own, sort of seeking a little bit more connection with humanity

and had a legal aid criminal defense practice for about seven years. And I specialized in young offenders, and that was an amazing experience. After that time, there was a big change in the way the legal aid system was functioning out here, and I decided to go back to school for a bit. I was going to take a break from law, and I went into, I took a broadcast journalism course, did about seven years in broadcast journalism, a little bit on air and then producing both TV and radio. And then after that, money was lousy.

Couldn't get where I wanted to go with that. But I went back into law and I became an arbitrator for the last 10 years of what I'd call my legal career. And I was at the, basically it's called the residential tenancy branch in British Columbia. It's where you deal with landlord-tenant disputes. and I was doing four hearings a day for 10 years. And then, you know, I just, at the end of 2016, I just decided it was time to focus on my kids, be a mom. I have a small business I run as well.

And so I got into politics sort of at a, well, during the mandates, things were going really crazy in Vancouver. and a group of women and I got together and started a group called Save Our City, Vancouver. The city was looking like a mess. The drug addiction and the homeless encampments were just ballooning. It was crazy. And we successfully got on the air a little bit in Vancouver, trying to make a mark pushing back against the sort of the nonstop push for drug consumption sites in downtown Vancouver and that kind of thing.

And in the course of all that, I started meeting other people in the school. swim in that same idea and met up with some conservatives. And then there was a by-election in the place where I lived. And a friend of mine called and he was involved in the party in the conservative movement. And he said, why don't you run? And I was thinking, well, okay, but I've never done this before. They said, we won't win. You don't have a hope.

But we're just announcing that the Conservative Party of British Columbia is back. And you will be a placeholder. basically to say we're going to take a run at this stronghold in the center of Vancouver. It's a riding that bridges three neighborhoods, Dunbar, Carersdale, and Shaughnessy. And so I ran, and of course I didn't win. I was up against the then leader of the BC United, BC Liberal Party, Kevin Falcon. And he won by election. And then two years later, I said, if you want me to be a candidate, I'll do it, but I don't have to.

And they said, yeah, let's do it. And the rest is history. I got elected. And now here I am. So I'm a brand new politician, learning the ropes. And that's basically who I am. If you don't mind, going back, you mentioned Princeton, you have T, and then you jumped to defending young offenders.

I think that's if I wrote that down correctly. Is that right? Well, I did first. I did the corporate work. I did a lot of corporate work for a while, like long, long hours working every weekend, every night for about six or seven years. And then I was doing some volunteer work at the time at a youth prison in Vancouver, helping. Actually, I was visiting an indigenous boy.

I visited him two hours a week. And then I ended up teaching cooking classes at the youth prison. And it's located in Burnaby, British Columbia. And there was a lawyer there, a man talking to a bunch of kids one night. And I said to someone, he doing? And they said, that's a lawyer. I'm like, that's a lawyer. Because I was in the corporate world. And I was fascinated. I thought, wow, that looks like a lot more fun type of law than what I'm doing. And so I went down and started volunteering at legal aid thinking, I think I can do this and still make a

living. So I made the leap. And I left the corporate world and got a little office and just started and learned the ropes and learned how to become a criminal lawyer. Well, I'm curious. Defending young offenders, what did that teach you? Because you're seeing essentially children. I mean, I know, right? Like, they're, I don't know what the age. What would the age range of that be? Like, how young to how old? 12 to 18. So actually 12 to 17, once they turn 18, they're officially adults and they're into the adult system. I preferred working with the youth. There was a lot of hope still for these young kids. I preferred the hopefulness of that to the adult clients that I dealt with. I did do a little bit of that at the beginning and I quickly realized I preferred dealing with the young kids because a lot of it was just trying to help them get through the system and not get too badly damaged in the process and working with them and their families and figuring out how to just teach them like don't

don't keep going down this road. We're going to make it through. And the vast majority of of them just go through a bad patch and then get out the other end up going to adult court and adult jail. But there was the 5% that had really, really tough backgrounds and everything. There was just they were going to graduate right through to adult crime for sure. I don't know. I'm trying that in my brain. I'm like, was that a hard thing to do? Or was it like? Because I was just saying you before we started. I got young kids. I got one sitting here beside me.

I'm like, you know, to try and represent children who have made poor choices from staying out of like, you know, you look down that road and folks, that is a rough road. We've got to try and pull you back a little this way. And, you know, there's hope over here. Just come this way. And, you know, from what the numbers you're saying, or I'm gathering, 95% of the time, time or 95% of the cases maybe they edge closer to like let's let's go down a little hopeful road and then there's just 5% of cases that are they come from really mixed up backgrounds that are

pretty tough to probably hear and try and help and I don't know I like to me I'm like to do that for that many years I'm wondering like was that enjoyable or was it like depressing to see what part of you know to deal with that part of society okay so I have to say that after a while, you're dealing with so many kids who are in such trouble that it does get a little bit depressing and you start wondering where all the kids are who are doing okay and doing well in school. And yes, after a while, it takes a toll on you, which is partly why when the system was changing and they were moving to public defenders instead of independent lawyers, I thought maybe it's time for a break. I was in jails a lot in lockups, talking to families and dealing

some of the crimes were really, really bad. So with terrible physical damage to the victims and, you know, but like, yes, it's hard to do that. But I also found that there were some cases that just lit up my life. And there were young people who really, really did well. And I have one case where there was a young guy who had just got and started breaking into cars because he was sort of in the idle hands or the devil's workshop case, like after school. Mom was busy. She was single mom. She wasn't able to afford to get them into soccer, something after school. And I considered those hours between three and six to be the most dangerous

for kids who are starting to not do great in school. And after school, they don't have a sport to go to. And this young guy, he got in the classic cycle of did a crime that's maybe breaking into cars, which isn't great, but it's not as most serious. And then, and then they'd get a probation. order against them and then they breached their probation. And then you talk to them and they breached their probation again. And before you know it, they're now going to jail for breach of probation because they've breached it three times. So they got warning after warning after warning.

And so one fellow, he went through all this and I knew he was smart. And a couple of years later, I was walking through a building in downtown Vancouver, like a shopping mall area. And here comes this kid. And he's got security tags on. a tool belt, and he said to his friend, that's my lawyer. And it was such an amazing feeling. It still gives me a great feeling.

And there he was. He's an apprentice now. He's moving up. He's become a full-blown electrician. And he made it through. And I had a few success stories like that. And I have to say those things mattered a lot to me. And I really cared about these kids, got to know their families.

And I did feel. for the ones who had such tragic lives at home that the parents were such bad role models, such terrible situations that it was truly devastating to watch. Sitting on this side, one of the, I don't know, I delve into some very difficult topics and I have some different people from all walks of life on here. And you start to pick up maybe trends or like things to, well, don't go down that road. them has been honestly divorced. I'm like, you know, it doesn't mean that you're a bad human being if you get divorced. Just it opens up your life to the government trying to step in. And then

if you allow the government in, well, I mean, literally, there's a lot of things that can happen there, but you're opening up a realm where the government just doesn't need to be a part of it, in my opinion. So one of the things I've really, you know, I don't know, told myself since I started this is like thicker thin, find a way through instead of allowing, you know, differences to separate a couple essentially because then, you know, that opens up different things for the kids. You mentioned single mom and different things like that. Did you start to see trends like that that resolved, strengthens your resolve in different parts of your life?

They're like, I can't. I got to make sure that, you know, you mentioned three to six. So I assume you had your kids in sports or in something to keep them busy. Was there other things you picked up from that time in your life? Yes. kids with learning disabilities, like my kids have dyslexia. And so a lot of kids who are struggling in school, if they don't get the help they need at the right time, and they're not doing well in school, like I really noticed, that that can really discourage them.

And they are more prone to get in trouble and probably even more so with boys. I probably dealt with more boys in my practice than girls. But the boys get really discouraged when they're not doing well in school. And what they want to do is try and be successful in another way. And they start hanging out with the other kids who are having trouble. And then they find the kids who are just hanging out after school. So I guess what I learned is make sure your kids have the help they need if they're struggling with any aspect of their academics.

and keep an eye on that and don't let them get discouraged. And then the other piece is that I really, with my kids, it was like, I don't care what you're doing, but you can't just come home after school and not do something. Even if it's a couple days a week, you've got to have an activity going because that also gives them a different silo of friends. So if the friends aren't working out at school, they'll have friends at their dance class or their sewing class.

or their art class or whatever it is that they're doing for boys on their soccer team or, you know, athletics are amazing for giving kids that outlet. So I guess that was something I really noticed. Keep an eye on any problems that are developing academically and then ensure that they have some activity. It doesn't have to be top of the, you know, the varsity team or whatever. It just has to be something where they've got another set of friends and different inputs. I appreciate that. I don't know. I don't know about my audience, but I'm always looking for like, you know, when I hear where you've worked, I'm like, oh man, there must have been some lessons come out of that because that would not be an easy job. It would have its serious highs, but it would have some pretty tough lows as well. You know, I don't know if anything could prepare you for, you know, a, getting elected, right? We're elected. We're in government. This is amazing. And then walk us through it. because I think for a lot of the audience,

some of them know exactly who you are, others confuse you with a country music singer. You're like, is it? No, no, I'm like, no, not Dean Broe. Walk us through this story. I would really like to hear it in your words, how you like, you know, step on the landmine and then the onslaught ever since.

Oh, my gosh. Okay. So, yeah, I was attorney general critic, one of two Attorney General critics for the Conservative Party, given my legal background and so on. And a story broke in BC about the Law Society. And there's a lot of detail to it, but here's the overview. The Law Society of British Columbia had started a indigenous awareness course that started some few years ago, I guess, that was made mandatory for lawyers in BC.

and so every lawyer has to take this course. So there's a lawyer in British Columbia, a man named Jim Heller and another lawyer named Mark Berry who were taking the course. And in the course, there was reference to the burial sites of the Camloops, former Camloops Residential School. And in many different areas that the burial site has not produced, there's there's been no remains found. It's, it's, and so in the course, they were still referring to this gravesite and these lawyers wrote to the law society and said, hey, you've got to correct this because even the court of appeal of BC, the chief justice has said that there have been no bodies found.

And this fellow, and so basically he wrote and wrote to the law society, no answer, no answer. Then he decided to push it further with at the AGM of the law society and asked for a resolution on the. this and it became a very hotly contested matter. And in the course of that, the lawyer was referred to as a racist and a denialist by First Nations leadership group out here in a sort of a press release or type of document. This whole story is online. And ultimately, the lawyer decided to sue for defamation against the Law Society of British Columbia. As far as I know, I think that's first that the law society is defamed one of its own members or is alleged to have defamed one of its members. The matter is currently in litigation. And so when this happened, I said the law society,

I did a post about this matter and boom, I got just buried for this. And even though I had had approval from my own party to post something on X about this, there was some people in the party that were very upset and wanted me to take it down. And this is where it all started. And I didn't take it down because what I had done was true. And, you know, I believe that facts matter, and particularly at the Law Society of British Columbia,

that we have to have, facts, at least in a course at the Law Society of BC, a fact that has already been confirmed by the Supreme Court of BC and the Court of Appeal of BC. So that's where the problem came. And I've been called these, you know, called the same names as the other lawyer. And this is where I'm at. And the thing escalated and then I got, I did an interview and I spoke with a tone that offended and I, then it just ballooned from there. And that's where I'm at. So now I'm sitting as an independent and there are two other people who left the party to join me. And the, it's been an interesting ride. That's about it. You know, the video of you that they clipped

and you go the tone offended. Yeah. It reminds me, you know, as a younger guy, I remember watching and forgive me if you're not a sports fan. But I remember watching this famous clip Alan Iverson. Practice. Talking about practice. Anyways. Forgive my inter, or my.

That's okay. I'm not a great voiceover actor. Yeah, that's a good. I'm not. Most people recall that. What most people don't do is go watch. I forget if it's 20 minutes, if it's a half an hour, it's a long term, if it's 10 It doesn't matter.

They ask him about the same question about 18 times until he absolutely breaks. And anyways, then they clip it, then it comes out, and they smear this thing over who Alan Iverson is. And I'm not sitting here trying to explain who Alan Iverson is. Go watch it all, right? There's been a documentary done on the thing for Pete's sake. But when I saw your clip, my first thought on my side of things is, where's the entire video?

I want to watch the entire video before I judge anything, right? because I want to see it in its context. Because so much on this side, you know, of what we do on this side, if we bring you on, we put out a long form interview so people can hear your thoughts. And whenever they slander somebody and they take, well, I don't even know, was that four seconds? Was it three seconds? It's pretty freaking short.

And they clipped it to put it even tighter and tighter to make me look. I mean, yeah, not a good look. I don't like it either. I was going, wow. And when someone said I had mocked someone, I'm like, I had no. idea what they were talking about at first. I really had no idea because really I was mocking this not an individual's. I was mocking what I considered to be this postmodern cultural wokeism where everybody's story has the same truth or validity to it as each other one. And of course,

this is not true. You can say something is how you see it. But if the facts are different than the facts are the facts. And I just don't know how we function as a society if we can't agree on certain truths that are there. And the truth right now is that no bodies have been found at the Camlop's grave. And that's all I was referring to. I was to say that I was referring to children who had been abused is just so shocking to me and such an incredible contortion of what I was actually speaking about. But this is a dirty game politics. I'm learning a lot. It's a nasty dirty game and when they want to take you out, they'll find a way to take you out. And I'm not perfect. I don't say everything perfectly, but I'm real and I'm a person and I'm,

you know, I'm not trying to be some perfectly scripted robot. And so I, I just have to live with what they did and that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes, right? So I'll be judged by the, you know, my character as I go through and continue working. And that's how I've always functioned. I can't worry about what's happened. I'm right now, I'm focused straight ahead on the work that needs to happen. There are a lot of issues that are not being discussed because of this very reason. People are so afraid to speak about certain things now for fear of being called a racist. Or in Canada now, it's a denialist or a phob of some sort.

And this is literally a way of stopping people from speaking. And it's working. Because everybody gets scared. And I refuse to live scared. And, you know, I will be a real person. And if I don't get reelected, I don't get reelected, but I'm going to do the work. And, you know, I have a lot of support. Some people are angry for sure.

But I think it's because it was definitely misconstrued. And, but there's nothing I can do about it. Yeah, it's, I guess I'm curious your thoughts because, like, here in Canada, I was just literally having a conversation earlier today about this. And like, I was saying, I'm like, I'm not nervous to talk to Dallas whatsoever. This is what I do on this side of the things, right? I bring on people that are like, A, I really enjoy having people that are taken completely out of context and allowing them to share their actual thoughts and what they're actually going through

and try and explain what's going on instead of how legacy media or mainstream media or corporate media or whatever we're going to call it. Regime media is treating people because we've seen it. You know, like I went through COVID. I can see how a story can be taken out of context, real freaking quick. I think a lot of people can see that. But I still said this morning like,

oh man, first nations. It's just like, you know, if there's, I don't know the right word way to say this. So forgive me, folks, but I don't know. Is it the holy grail of like things you're just not supposed to talk about? And I don't know if the holy grail you're supposed to talk about or not talk about, forgive me on that.

I just mean like, it's one of these landmine issues where it's just like it's all settled but uh we abused first nations and that's that and yet the 215 graves thing i mean it's it's it's it was what 2021 came out just rocketed across the the the the the atmosphere of like this is bad blah blah blah then they give them a bunch money and then nobody knows where it went and then you know it comes out later that wait a second we actually didn't there are anomalies now they're not actually graves and a whole bunch and yet nobody cares about that and i was sitting there talking this morning i'm like i know it's such an important conversation it's just like the canadian public

and i'm not talking about my audience i'm talking about the general audience the general population has already you know i don't know uh got their their their bingo card marked check we've we've talked about that and they moved on and yet here we are having an mLA sitting mLA kicked out of her party for talking about something that actually sounds really serious when I think about it, right? Like you're teaching a lie to lawyers and all you wanted it was to be done was just change. Let's just update it that none of them have been found. That's like that's all that you're at that the, sorry, the lawyer was asking for, correct? Correct. He wanted the word potential added in front of burial grounds and then something removed that said 215 bodies had been found. So it was

removal of those words at the end of the paragraph and adding the word it was either potential or potential was the the word he wanted added and they would not budge and i don't i actually don't understand this because um i personally think that um well it's better to just say what the truth is because i think it actually damages the the bigger story even more which about the harms because then people go, okay, well, just a second here now. And this story did impact Canada a lot. You know, it was like a bomb blast and the flags were at half-masked.

And people forget that churches were burned. Lots of churches were burned. A lot of churches. I think there were 80 actually burned to the ground and another couple of dozen vandalized. and damaged and and I believe our former Prime Minister even said it's understandable that

they're burning the churches and I don't know what other when we would ever say that about any other the burning down of religious institutions it's understandable no it's against the law and charges should have been laid and

things should have been followed up and you know but that's what happened and then, you know, the United Nations labeled us a genocidal country. And then Undrip came rolling down and then Dripah was adopted in B.C. Or Dripa was passed. You know, those were all sort of upshots of this event. And even the band itself has admitted that they're anomalies. So I don't know, I don't understand the issue here.

Let's just say there was a mistake. Let me ask you something then. What do you think this says? I don't even know. Is it the state of Canada? Is it the state of BC? Is it politics? Take it however you want.

I'm like, this seems like it honestly feels like COVID all over again, just in a different way. And this has probably been going on for a lot longer than Sean's been paying attention. But like when I hear you talk about it, I'm like, okay. So, you know, and forgive me. my ears audience, maybe you heard something different. I don't hear that nobody was a victim or hurt or et cetera, et cetera, of the residential school system. What the lawyer was saying was we need to caution what we're saying as fact. We should put potential there because nothing has been found. And because of that, all hell of blue has broken up, blown up, forgive me. And so now I'm like,

okay, so there's a whole bunch of us sitting here watching, listening, seeing your stuff come out, going what is going on? Where do you think this puts us, like what is the state of Canada right now when we can't even put potential? We can't even, like, if you talk out about certain subject, no, that is like kryptonite, don't touch it,

or nuclear or whatever term you want to put. Where does Dallas, because you're inside, forgive me, a bit of the beast right now. Yes. Where do you think the state of cand is? Okay, so let's pick. a couple of other sacred cow issues in Canada. We've also got, we're not allowed to talk about the idea of private health care living

alongside our public health care. That's another one. Any politician says that, they're done. You know, like just, you say that in a political campaign, the media will go crazy. You'll be doomed. There are several topics in Canada, and it's, it's, like, for example, I know people who have suffer vaccine injuries, okay? Like I know I have a constituent family that all of them are permanently damaged and they were eager to get the vaccines at first. And I'm not saying everybody got sick,

but these people, they're permanently impaired and they've had to go to the United States to get help because they couldn't get help. So do you think anybody wants to say that in the legislature anywhere? What do you think is going to happen to you? What do you, and what I've seen is that you go into politics, and you think that you're going to be able to go ahead and start talking about the things that you've campaigned on. And I always used to wonder, how come they say they're going to do that and then they get in there and then they don't do it. Well, what happens is you get in there and people want to get along with each other. And they sort of clip your wings on each end of the spectrum and on issues. Oh, God, don't touch that one.

Don't touch that one. Don't touch that one. Because I think it really is the media, like I call the media assassins. they sort of come after you and it's you're just blown up and the hysteria that develops around the honest discussion scares the heck out of people and they don't they're just normal people and they can't believe what's come down on them. I mean, this hasn't been pleasant for me. I'm, I'm strong and, you know, it's tough to break me, but I, but I, you know, I'm not going to say it's been pleasant and I but I know that truth is important and I'm just sticking by that and but I can see

you the desire to get along to go along within the party and it's very hard to resist the pressure that comes down on you. It's incredible pressure and everybody's saying if you say that you're going to hurt all of us and so it's a real thing. And And, you know, we've all seen certain politicians who have really stuck their necks out to try and do the right thing. And we see it, you know, some in the state, some up here around the world. It's hard to be that person. The pressure to conform is like this 900-pound gorilla. And it's brutal.

And, you know, you literally go to an event and people don't want to be seen near you because, oh, you're that. person and so now you're sitting alone at the dinner you get iced out i shouldn't laugh i just no it's true it's actually it is kind of laughable because it sounds sort of like uh elementary school it does and and yet i'm i think about it and i'm like yet the ones that sit beside you the the the the strength of those relationships grow right because i mean uh the people who get it get it i'm i'm i laughed more from like just thinking back on some memories of my own where, you know, you go from, I've shared this a little bit, you know, like once upon a time, I was pretty just like, I don't even know, popular. Like, I just, you walked in a room, nobody stayed away from you.

And now I could walk in a room and people still this day won't look you in the eye. It's such a weird sensation. I'm like, really? Really? Yeah. Okay. All right. Well.

And, uh, uh, I, I now lean into, uh, faith, like the spiritual side of things. things, that is an attack on your soul. Whether they realize they're doing it or not, it's just like it's a very personal sensation to watch somebody avoid on contact. And no, they do not want to be around you. They're uncomfortable with your presence, and that is something.

Like, when you think about what you just talked about, I'm like, I mean, come on, we're better than that, aren't we? And yet, I think a lot of us are sitting around the table going, how do we undo this? How do we get to where Canada isn't canceling politicians for just bringing up an unconvenient truth, which is we want the word potential in front. Like what lawyers are under is an attack,

and we need them to stand up for us in a rule of law. And yet, you know, like if the truth doesn't matter, well, what's going to happen when the whole point of their occupation is to get to the truth? I don't know. Maybe I'm just spinning my tires here. No, but that is the piece that really bothered me about this the most. It's about the truth.

And if we can't have truth at the law society, then I don't know where we're headed, frankly. And I don't actually know what the force is behind pushing this to not just add the word potential. The band has said it. The Chief Justice of British Columbia has said it. And yet now they've got a defamation case against them. He's filed a notice of claim and they've responded. now response to response, and they're not backing down. And it's really, what are we doing here?

And so there must be a lot riding on this. That's all I can say. I'm not quite sure yet what is writing on all of this, but I've certainly been tackled. And of course, a group in BC called the First Nations Leadership Council wanted people like me to be imprisoned. I guess you saw that too. Yes, I did. I mean, this is incredible. Walk me through that. Was that right off the hopper? Was that as you continued to talk about it? Well, it was pretty, it was all happened pretty quickly. And when I got up in the

ledge last week and said that, oh no, it was before last week. It was all sort of baltick. It was all sort of all together. The pressure, they were trying, I feel like the groups that were have some kind of vested interest in this were pushing on me and pushing on me and they weren't getting anywhere. So they pushed now to have this, there's a federal MP that's proposed a private members bill or something about imprisoning people for what's called residential school denialism. And they were saying that they made a press release using my name like three times in this press release that we need to speed up this bill so that this goes through and and it's calling for prison time for people who engage in residential school denialism, which by the way, I have never done. And yet my name,

they repeated. And so I, you know, I got in the ledge last week and pushed back and said, you know, I wanted this group defunded for pushing people for stating true facts in Canada. And of course, you know, I mean, then they came back and said, I exaggerated what they said or something like that. I'm like, no, I didn't. You used my name three times. You're obviously suggesting that people like me should be imprisoned. And so I don't think you can walk that back.

And I'm very concerned that speech is going to be criminalized. This is not a good direction. We already have hate speech laws in the criminal code. of Canada and they are they should be adequate to cover anything that wanders into the rain into the zone of of hate speech which is inciting violence against a group or you know you can see the terms in the criminal you pretty much answered I think where I wanted to go next and that was where do you think this could lead us and when you say you know free speech could be criminalized literally the word potential.

I'm like, this can't be over something so small. And yet you've said a couple of things that have really, my ears have picked up on. One is, you know, like, I was going to lead with where could this lead us to? You know, where does your mind take you? And you go to the criminalization of free speech, I think. I don't want to put words in your mouth.

The next thing, you said something along the lines is you don't know what it is that's really important. But you said two things that I think probably maybe go in there and Undrips one of them. And then you mentioned a second one that I don't think I've ever heard of. And that was Drippa. What is Drippa? The Undrip was the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

And then in British Columbia, they passed a law called the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous People's Act. And they brought the UN doctrine into British. And it now applies. So it's sitting here in BC. And our party, by the way, our party ran on a policy statement that said we were going to repeal DRIPA, which was the BC, the British Columbia version of the United Nations document essentially. Which roughly states what, Dallas, if you could just summarize it. Well, it's about it's, you know, it's an easily read document. It's basically, it's for indigenous peoples around the world that says,

we get the right to live autonomously self-determination according to all of the ways we want to live. Plus, we get everything that you have at the top level that you have it. So it's a document that just says, when I was reading it, it basically just, it's a granting of rights and expectations, aspirations, and aspirations, to indigenous peoples, the UN when it's around the world. And it's about land, it's about money, it's about health care, it's about a lot of things. It's worth reading it actually. And so it's sort of overlying laws that are being passed in BC now because things need to be done in coordination with that declaration.

So anything that gets passed now has to comply with DRIPA. I'm probably mashing this up a little bit, but that's basically my understanding of how it works. Well, and I think for the audience, you know, knowing my audience, which it's fantastic, I think we just,

you know, a whole bunch of us need to just go read Dripa. I mean, it's sitting there for us to go. And I can already feel my phone about to be, start buzzing, because I know already a bunch of people having.

they're like, Sean, you need to read this. And I'll be like, yes, yes, I do. So I think that's what I take from it. I'm not,

don't worry your, I mean, the haters, the people who dislike you are going to point out that you don't know whatever but the people on this side are just like oh that's something we should go look into because Undrip

completely understand and I just didn't realize that Drippa was the BC version which I guess I just I'd never heard the words said that way and so now I'm going to have to go back and take a look but either way you know when you talk about

you know it's important to them you know I guess before I like you out of here. I am kind of curious. You know, your party ran. The conservatives ran on, okay, we're going to repeal this. We're going to get back to conservative values and all that jazz.

Was there zero support then when it came to this? Like, did Roostad just like, nope. And I don't mean to pull you into a squabble or anything. Just I am kind of curious, right? I mean, it's not like the conservative party has been there for 50 years. and, you know, like, they're, you know, we're going to vent, it's like, you kind of got in on being a raucous group. You kind of got in on being, we're going to destabilize the status quo in BC.

I mean, here in the last little bit, the carbon tax, just, you know, and I can imagine being a BC resident who'd had that for, what, like 17 years? And all of a sudden the carbon tax, aren't we saving the planet? They're saving the planet. And for the conservatives to come in and be like, we're going to challenge the status quo. And then as soon as you're challenging the status quo, oh, by the way, you're up. It was painful.

I have to tell you, because I thought that's what we were supposed to be. And I was being what I thought I had been sent here to be. This isn't about being against indigenous people. It's not against all of that. But people want a return to truth. And they want facts. And they don't like this relativism that's developing. and woke culture saying,

well, just because I believe I'm something, than I am. And, you know, it's we, people are, are wanting truth, and they know when something's amiss. And I really felt that I was sent here to do a job. And I thought I was, actually, I was doing my job as the AG critic.

And I was putting it to the Attorney General for David E.B.'s government, Nikki Sharma, saying, you need to deal with this, Nikki. you need to look at this because this is serious. This is the Law Society. This isn't just some little tiny case somewhere in nowhere. This is the governing body of lawyers in British Columbia. And so for me, it was super important and I felt that we should,

and I felt I was doing my job. And they said that I got ultimately pushed out because I was my tone of voice and, you know, Wow. Okay. You know, that that is just not true why I was pushed out. They used that to just dirty me up to send me out the door because I had to go. I was becoming a problem for certain people within the party who are certainly to not as conservative as there are a bunch of us who are quite conservative. And then there's a group that's not as conservative. And so that's what's happened. Any final thoughts before I let you out of here for the audience that's, you know, tuned in. I don't want to cut you short by any stretch of imagination, but feel free. You know, if you got something off the top of your mind that you want people to know Dallas, please feel free to fire away. I just, I'm a honest person new to politics.

I thought I was doing my job, and I was. and I will continue to do my job and work and go ahead. And I've got a really good team of people now. We're working and we've got work ahead of us. And truthfully, it's been liberating to be released from the shackles of that kind of control that doesn't allow you to do the work you were sent here to do. So in many ways, I'm feeling much better, happier, freer to speak truthfully, responsibly and move forward as someone who is going to tackle the heart.

issues and it won't be pleasant at all on any of these issues but if we don't start talking about them we're going to be down to a zone of only being able to talk about let's say fentanyl that's the only thing we can complain about now is fentanyl on the streets and that's the only topic that's within the zone and then you know that's we've got to be able to talk about everything everything and particularly when the amount of money being spent on a file like this Canadians have a right to talk about it, just like they have a right to talk about the healthcare delivery system we have and other really hot topics in Canada. And I hope that we break through this time and we can start talking again about and having

really open debates, fierce debates, strong debates on all sides, and people shouldn't be afraid to speak what they want to say. I'm not talking about being hateful. I'm talking about debates on issues that involve a lot of. money, taxpayers' money that are going towards these programs and we need to talk about it. Yeah, I... One can hope that we're... I hope we can get there.

I really hope in Canada we can get there to where we're having fierce debates. But I listen to the word potential causing absolute stir of hosting, you know, not even the person who penned it, but the person who's an elected official and supposed to stand up for different things, not to mention a lawyer and everything else. I'm like, I don't know. You know, like I just see us drifting. You know, maybe I'm wrong. You know, we got an election coming, a federal election coming here in, you know, 20 days, essentially.

And you wonder which direction we're going to take as a country that way. I remember following along, we did live election coverage for BC, you know, and the conservatives came out of absolutely nowhere to be, you know, official opposition and almost win it. And, you know, there's some things there that look like you may have won it. and, you know, there's a reason why, I think, at least in my mind, maybe you know, you're a lady who ran for him for Pete's sake. Like, in my mind, there's a lot of people looking for something in politics now. They want it. And then when it starts to show themselves, the opposition comes down hard.

And we're really making their weight felt. I mean, that's how your name gets across my desk. I read the stories and I go, this is wild. The playbook is just over and over again. Either way, thank you for coming on. I won't hold you any longer. I appreciate you coming on and doing this. Okay, thank you, Sean.

I'd love to stay longer, but it looks like I've got to get back into the chamber and get back. No, keep doing what you're doing. Thanks again for hopping on. Thank you very much. And I'll talk anytime. Okay.