Shaun Newman Podcast - #829 - Randy Hillier

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Randy Hillier is a Canadian politician and activist from Eastern Ontario, known for his outspoken views and opposition to government overreach. Born in 1958, he worked as an electrician and land developer before entering politics. He served as a Member of Provincial Parliament (MPP) for Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston from 2007 to 2022, initially with the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario. Hillier was expelled from the party in 2019 after clashing with leadership over policy and his vocal dissent, later sitting as an independent.Cornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastSilver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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All right. Let's get on to that tale of the tape. He served as an MPP in Ontario from 2007 to 2022. I'm talking about Randy Hillier. So buckle up. Here we go. So Randy, first off, thanks for joining me. It is my pleasure, Sean.

And hopefully I've got things working at this end that things are broadcasting on No More lockdowns Twitter and my Facebook page as well. I'm not sure if it is, but I hope it is. Well, it looks like people are slowly starting to tune in, and I'm sure they'll start chiming in. Either way, you know, I was saying to you before we started, we talked roughly a year ago. It was in June, so just a little under a year ago.

And I think we both enjoyed the conversation. It's funny that it's not taken so long to come all the way back to it, but certainly with you hitting the news cycle, you know, with a win, and I want to talk all about that, It prompted me again to reach out to you, and I'm glad you're back on. That all being said, let's walk through this. Because, you know, when it comes to wins in the courts, they've been few and far between. It doesn't mean that the wins haven't been impactful.

They certainly have. But when we get a win, we got to shed some light on. We've got to talk about it. And you, sir, are the most recent. So walk us through April 7th, you know, news. and bring people up to speed. Well, let's start first off. This is the first win on a constitutional question in Canada over the mandates that were

promoted in all of, well, in this case in Ontario, but they were similar mandates everywhere in the country. So this is our, there's been some wins on provincial matters. matters. But generally speaking, the upper courts have rejected the idea or rejected the constitutional questions like they did with the travel and the quarantine constitutional question brought forward by Peckford and others. So, you know, why this is so important, I feel, it signals that some of the highest courts in our land now have the courage and the wisdom to reflect on what happened during COVID and to rule that the fundamental freedoms of Canadians needed protection from government.

And the decision is well written. It's done at the Ontario Court of Appeals. So it is the highest court in Ontario. If the Crown dislikes it and wants to try to overturn it, they have to seek leave to appeal at the Supreme Court of Canada. So this is a big decision. It will have far-reaching consequences across the country. And now our courts, a peaceful assembly is a required,

it requires protection because all other freedoms, freedom of expression, freedom of association, cannot be, you cannot be exercised if there is not freedom of assembly. So this has been a long time coming. It's four and a half years. I've been fighting this. It came down to, I was originally charged with 25 violations under the reopening. Ontario Act, each one with up to $100,000 in fines in the year in jail. There was 20 of those charges had been withdrawn by the Crown attorneys in various parts of

Ontario, but there was five little buggers who wouldn't let go. Crown attorneys in Cornwall and Brockville and Peterborough and Belleville were vigorous and belligerent in their attempt to prosecute me. So it's nice now that the courts have said, yes, this reopening Ontario Act and their restrictions on peaceful assembly was not constitutionally valid. Now the next step is should the courts strike down the law in its entirety, or should the courts read into the law some other language that would have made the law valid? So we've still got another little bit to go on this, but I'm optimistic and confident that reading the decision, we will have won the day and the remedy is.

What is obvious to everybody that the peaceful assembly must be certainly and highly protected in our country. Otherwise, we do not have a free nor democratic country. Yeah. So from my understanding then, like there's a, there's a period now after this has been decided or I don't even know the proper term. terminology, Randy, you can help me out there. And now there's this period of time where things can happen from both sides. Am I correct in that? Yep.

So they ruled that the law was invalid, that it violated the charter rights. Charter rights. Now, what is it, you know, what is it they are to do about this? You know, for example, and I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth or anything, But the crown may come back and say, well, the law would have been valid if we had put a limitation of 10 or 50 or 100 on peaceful assembly, you know, or something else, whatever their imagination may come up with. But I think, yeah, looking at the decision, and the academic, there was both the matter of, and the question of law, but the three judges also relied heavily on some important academic writings on the necessity for freedom of assembly in a democratic society. you know, I don't want to jump the gun or jump the shark on this one, Sean,

but I'm confident that we will end up in a good spot when this is all said and done. Well, I mean, it is a bright spot, right? You think of how many court cases have been thrown out or how many challenges on different things have been just walked over and everything else. You, sir, would know all too well about all the different cases. going on. So when it come across, you're like, holy crap. Like, I mean, did we ever think we'd see a day where any of this would possibly happen? And certainly, knowing that they might come back with, we're going to make a restriction of 100 people or something like that. I'm like, well,

I'm sure they're going to put something in or try to at least do that. That's, that's been, I don't know, the standard playbook since the beginning, hasn't it? To try and try and put in different rules to try and stifle the win, if you would? Absolutely. But, you know, we also have a preponderance of evidence now as well, which wasn't available in the early days. We have the American congressional review on the COVID-19 pandemic. We have the Alberta government's review on the COVID pandemic. We now have irrefutable evidence that all of these mandates were in effect. or were more injurious than the virus that they were proposing or stating that was so dangerous. So, you know, we now know, without question, the virus did not come from a bat in a wet market in Wuhan, that it was the result of a gain of function research paid for by the American taxpayers at a virology lab in Wuhan. We know concretely now that the jabs were ineffective, and they were not safe.

There was substantial injuries and fatalities as a result. The social distancing, the six-foot rule, the masking, the lockdowns, all were ineffective. So, you know, we're fortunate in this regard that that evidence is now available to the judges. So I think that evidence will have substantial weight in the deliberations. And that no longer can the courts just take deference to cockamane ideas promoted by our government. but there must actually be a demonstrable justification for it. Yeah, well, once again, my hat's off to you for going through the process. You know, I was saying, Tia, before we started, you really cemented a year ago, roughly a year ago,

when we were talking about, you know, civil disobedience. And you said something along the lines of, if you're going to do civil disobedience and you haven't thought about prison time or, I mean, like all the fines they're putting against you, like you're not serious about civil disobedience if you're not really willing to go to jail for what you believe in. And when I listen to you talk and all the different things they threw at you, and then, you know, to the audience, if you go back, and I should have pulled it up here, I'll pull it up real fast because it's episode 669. So you've got to go ways back on the podcast.

If you go listen to our first chat, you know, you walk me through a whole bunch of history of some of the civil disobedience specifically in Ontario. And honestly, it's pretty wild for this Westerner to go back and listen to parts of that because it's, you know, it's a good chunk of Canadian history that is kind of just like lost to the abyss if you don't know where to look and who to listen to. And certainly on this side, I guess I just come full circle of my hats off to you because you're seeing things through. and now maybe getting some success. Well, not maybe. You're getting some success because I think, you know, getting the win in court is a big deal. Oh, it is.

And this coupled with the Mosley decision as well, Sean, where Mosley ruled that the government did not meet the constitutional, it's statutory authority to implement the Emergency Act. Anybody in the Ottawa courts, and elsewhere who have been convicted. This opens a door for those convictions, is for some of them anyway, to consider having those convictions overturned

and the monetary penalties reimbursed. So, you know, again, we'll have to wait for the final decision, but, you know, we now know that, by Mosley that there was no emergency in Ottawa. We now know from the Court of Appeal that the Assembly, the peaceful assembly, was a protected right and cannot be criminalized. You know, a protected right can't be criminalized. So hopefully this will weigh heavily and in favor for Leach and Barber. and for many others. Today, there's the case of Dinell is in court. The case of Remley is back in court soon.

Meister, there's hundreds of unknown Canadians, Sean, who have been victimized by our legal system, who go unknown to most. And hopefully these decisions will be utilized by them to remedy the injustice that they have felt. Yeah, you bring up a really good point, Randy. You know, like we know Tamara and Chris just recently, right, guilty of mischief. And we wait now for what that means and everything else. And those two names are quite obviously prominent. Everybody, for the most part, knows who those two names are. But you talk about the countless names that nobody knows about.

That's a really important point because it wasn't just two people who stood up. It was an awful lot of Canadians who all stood up all at once. And, you know, the Coots Boys out in Alberta are victims of it as much as the rest of them. And, you know, it goes without saying that there's how many of them are just unnamed and nobody knows who they are and they're facing the machine by themselves. Or I shouldn't say by themselves just without the greater public knowing who they are. Yeah, but, you know, and I was, yeah, there's, there's, again, countless hundreds, but this was also, you know, the harm and injury that we did to the greater population with our COVID mandates. Like that needs to be remedied as well, Sean.

And, and I think this is, you know, it's really pleasing to me, but optimistic that, these three judges, you know, because our courts were captured by the same fear in the same level of, subject to the same level of scorn and vitriol, not, you know, that for others during COVID who spoke out. So they were, now it's showing that they have found their footing, that they can not, just be deferential to these government policies. But yeah, there is a law there that is important in their role and their responsibility is of significant importance. Hopefully this decision on Monday will spill over into the media, will spill over into the political world. Because as you know there's only been one government who has taken at least a step to review their policies

and their actions during COVID-Natsy Alberta government and they've attempted to downplay it. But unlike the American Congress, our parliament has not reflected on their actions. No other provincial government has reflected on the harm and injuries. none of the mainstream media has reflected on on their role and so I you know this is where I'm it's going to be very difficult I think for the media and our politicians to they will try they will try to ignore this decision but I'm not going to let them get off to Hawke each well and I I'm what were we saying you know like you know, when we first chatted, we were talking about some of the protests, the civil disobedience

he did back in the early 2000s. And like the ability to go live, you know, I pushed this to the audience, you know, like last night I texted Randy and it was quite late. I woke up this morning to him texting back. And then the ability of today's world, at least as it sits right now, to just go live and talk about it. You know, mainstream is going to do what mainstream always does. I highly doubt they're going to come out in favor of Randy. I could be wrong. Hey, they can always surprise me. I mean, I'll be shocked if they do. But the ability of everyday people to just hop on, you know, watch this, share this, spread it around is we've never seen anything in history quite like what we're the ability to do what we're doing right now,

to circumvent what the narrative tries to hold. Right. So this is huge news. This. Well, this is, this gives ammunition. This gives knowledge and ammunition to all those who think like us, Sean, to go to their MLAs or MEPs or the candidates that they're now in the field and say the court, the government's acted without authority. the government's acted in violation of our most fundamental laws. What are you going to do about this now? What are you, Mr. Candate or Mr. MLA or Madam Premier? What are you going to do now when you're faced with this stark evidence that you and the office that you hold acted in violation of the law?

You know, and that's what needs to be said to everybody. And that's what, you know, they should give motivation and encouragement for freedom-minded Canadians to hold their elected representatives to account with factual evidence. I'm curious. You know, a guy with your experiences, you look, you look. look at we are now, what are we, 19 days, 19 days away from a federal election. You have, once upon a time the conservatives looking like they were going to win a super majority, just absolutely lambasting the Trudeau liberals and the singing of the NDPs. And it just looked like it was going to be a landslide. Fast forward now to where we sit today. And the polls show

something different. You have a Carney who, although is, But to me, as heavy-handed as any leader's ever been, when it comes to how he, you know, where his events are, how he discourages questions of, you know, the similar group we, you know, independent media and different things like that. Like as Pierre did with Chattel Davis in Winnipeg. Interesting, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. And then you watch, you watch Sing's NEP almost tank on purpose. To me, that's what it looks more and more. You know, they have the porn star on the bus,

and then he's taking pictures with the furries, and it's just, it's just like, this is, this is just bizarre. What is, you know, you've been a part of the political scene for an awful long time, and I was saying, you know, before we started, you know, my, my fresh eyes on different things, at times I just trying to get caught up on, on how the political scene continues to work and evolve and everything else. You think Carney's got a real shot at being the next prime minister of Canada?

Well, unless something unexpected happens or, you know, if Pierre runs in and saves a baby from a burning house fire, Carney is going to win. That's, you know, there may be something else that happens that is unexpected, but the NDP vote has collapsed. Carney has been very successful in rallying people around the fault. Canadian flag that he has wrapped himself in. He has wedged, he has taken away, taken the wind out of the Conservatives' main sales of Trudeau must go in acts attacks, but he's also wedged the Conservatives into adopting

his team Canada anti-American anti-Trump agenda, agenda. So, you know, and it's interesting, you know, when you look at this trade war and the response by various nations around the world, one of the most vigorous, the two countries that are most vigorously opposing Trump's agenda is China and Canada. Both are espousing and advocating for the same retaliatory trade measures and viewing Trump in America as hostile. So whereas other countries like Mexico, Australia, and Japan and others have said, okay, this, we're not going to get into a trade war. Let's sit down like mature, responsible statesmen and resolve these differences.

I would put that out to your audience. Why is both Pierre and Carney adopting the same tactics as Communist China in this? And it should be obvious to the audience, why. You know, and they've been, you know, the liberals have been very successful in, like I said, rallying the left around this Canadian flag that historically or for the last five years anyway they have been convincingly telling people that they should be ashamed of that you should fly the flag at half mass to be ashamed of our our past you should rip down uh statues of of sir john a and queen Victoria and edgerton ryerson uh but now now let's rally to this flag and

And the Liberal Party is the epitome of representation of that flag. And many Canadians have bought into that narrative and to our detriment. But so has Pierre. The Conservatives have had cement boots on during this campaign and didn't realize how skillful the Liberal Party is at communications. or developing new wedge issues. So I, you know, as we started off, unless something very unexpected happens

in the next couple weeks, Carney will be king. Just curious, for my eyes, and I guess my curiosity is your thoughts on it. When you watch where Pierre goes right now, you know, he was just in Alberta. And, you know, the high number has it at 15, thousand the low number has it at let's say seven or eight thousand but you get the point it's it's a

huge gathering uh showed up in emminton and we've seen similar things happen wherever he goes compared to carney where it has you know has he had some decent numbers i guess but you haven't seen um you know the fanfare i guess uh for uh carney as as pierre's gotten and people related to maybe when donald trump traveled around and how many people he was getting at his events. Do you think that matter? Well, I mean, obviously it matters, but how much does it matter, I guess, in your eyes? Your mind. So there's two things there. One is the conflation of our system with the American system. And we don't vote for our executive here, Sean. We vote at the writing. What happens in the writing is what is important. Whereas in the states, you know,

those rallies held by the executive for a vote for the executive are very, very meaningful, but here much less so. And like if you, you know, I say that to begin offline, there's more seats in Toronto than there is in Alberta. Okay. So in Alberta will typically vote in at about 75 to 80% of the people are all in on the conservatives. They're all blue. But they only need, in a three-way race, they only need about 40% of the people to win. So all those other votes, above 40, up to 80, are wasted votes, let's say. They aren't going to impact who gets to be the prime. minister. The liberal vote is very much more efficient. It's not as concentrated as it is in Alberta and

Saskatchewan. And this is again, people lose sight. They think that they're voting for the for Kearni or Pollyev, but their names are not on the ballot and they don't understand the West Minister system of how we determine who the Prime Minister is. So, you know, and, and then I guess I would also add one thing, you know, in our last federal election, we had 14 million votes cast, Sean, right? 14 million. That's, you know, that's an inconceivable number of people to, to visualize. But it makes an arena in Edmonton look pretty small in comparison. And historically, you know, and this is bearing out as well, you know, less than 2% of all Canadians have ever attended a political rally. So, you know, are they energetic?

are they visually appealing? Are they, you know, all that is true, but it represents a very, very small sliver of people who are going to vote. So, yeah, for all those reasons, you know, I know conservatives aren't going to like that analysis. But that's, I call it the way I see it. And there's a lot of very legitimate, credible pollsters who have been doing a lot of polling. There's some shady characters as well. And I get it, a lot of Canadians aren't going to be able to tell the difference between a shady poll or a skanky poll and a credible poll.

but the credible polls are you know many conservatives latched on and believed all these polls last summer when Pollyev was head and shoulders above and now think that they're all garbage today well those polls were correct a year ago that's why the Liberal Party got rid of Justin Trudeau because they knew that it was true and the polls today are also true. Well, it's been, you know, like over the last year, they must have known Justin Trudeau was in the tanks way back when, right?

And they held on and they held on and they held on. The weird thing about the Canadian way of, you know, is we don't have a set election date, right? We have this ability to, you know, if we can change it on, whim so you have you have this like justin trudeau's been in the toilet for a long freaking time in my opinion and the liberals waited and waited and waited and waited and waited and waited and they had a brilliant stroke an absolute you know i hate calling the liberal i've been saying it i hate it but you got

admire the brilliance of sending justin trudeau down to trump and trump doing what trump does and them knowing exactly what Trump was going to do, especially to Trudeau. And it's just, and then they've created this, you know, they've just created this persona now, where all of a sudden the liberals are the strong people of Canada.

I'm just like, this is literally happening in front of my eyes. I'm like, I can't believe it. Like I'm almost, I'm almost, you know, like impressed at their ability to galvanize the population.

After 10 years, let's just forget about the last. 10 years, Randy, don't worry about it. We're worried about the next thing and we're going to get it right. It's like, are we all insane? Have we all lost our bloody minds? Well, so, listen, I was telling, and many others, like, you know, those who understand the Westminster parliamentary process were saying that for over a year that Trudeau was going

to be gone. and and I suggested that I was a little bit premature. I suggested that he would be gone in the late fall of 2024. But it was just due to circumstances like the prologation and the various elements that were going on in Parliament. I was a little bit premature. But again, this speaks. We don't understand. and we are uninformed about our history.

But let me give you and you are the audience an example. In 2013 in Ontario, we had the most hated and despised liberal premier ever in Ontario politics. His name was Dalton McGinty. He was under substantial contempt motions in the Ontario legislature. He was in the toilet in the polls. Everything was saying that there was no way he could possibly ever win, and it was during a minority parliament here in Ontario. So in December of 2013, and make note of these dates, in December of 2013, Dalton McGinty parodged the Ontario Parliament and called a liberal leadership race in in in December.

The leadership race was held, I believe, in March of 2014. In unknown, relatively unknown, lesbian grandmother named Kathleen Wynn won the liberal leadership race. She immediately went to the polls and won a majority government. does that sound like a parallel to what has just happened with the federal liberals a discredited hated liberal premier parox parliament as of leadership sounds like a playbook yeah so like these are you know this is the way it's been going on for ages Sean and then let's all it's is to put a new puppy in the window that the electorate can gawk at and say, isn't that a nice,

shiny new puppy? And it's so fuzzy and adorable. And it's got to be much better than the old hound dog that just left. You know, flea-bitten, flea-ridden, hound dog. And, and it's a tried and true process in our system. Well, here's one of the things that asked you, we talked about before we started, you know, Ellie Matlock says, so Alberta's only choice is go independent only. Things will not change if we don't, plain and simple.

Your thoughts, you know, like one of the things I was saying, you know, if you play out the scenario where the liberals get back in, and Carney is literally the prime minister, And, you know, he's caught, you know, saying, what was this statement the other day, folks on Daniel Smith? Basically sit down. And you're like, you can already see where this is going. And Albertans, I was, to me, I could be a little bit off on this.

Maybe I'm just a smid drop. I don't know. But everywhere I look, it feels similar to the convoy. And I don't mean that all of a sudden semis are going to Ottawa. Just in the sense, from the public, there's this conversation percolumn. right now and everybody is banking on Pierre is going to win and it's going to simmer down but if carney gets in right as we're talking here you can already feel it reaching a feverish pitch real fast that albertans are not happy and their independence is you know this referendum idea this

we got to get out of here we can't keep doing this you know what what would advice would you have for albertans if if the carney thing um what comes to fruition well it makes no difference whether it's Carney or Pierre though that's yeah I you know like that's what the audience needs to realize like I I understand but I to me if if Pierre gets in the everyday public it's it's no different than your your prorogation yeah why is it that prorogation and the new leader and shiny puppy all of a sudden everybody just like oh this will be way better it doesn't matter like I wish I could shake people and go it doesn't like Alberta independence we need to search that idea more.

But the truth of the matter is if Peter, Pierre gets in, it's the shiny, it doesn't matter. The everyday public is going to go back to sleep or just be like everything's fine and he's going to put out all the flames on the house and we're good to go. If Carney gets in, everybody goes, what? What just happened?

Yeah. So, you know, the difference, the way I would evaluate this, the difference with Palliab, you're correct. There will be, there is, in the West, there is a greater expectation that he will actually represent Western interests, more so than what Carney will do. And so the elevated demands will be subsided for a period of time with Pierre. But, you know, in the course of time, those demands will not be met. The expectations will not be met.

He is proposing that we ought to view the Americans and Trump in terms of hostility. It should be obvious to everybody in Canada that America will never tolerate. a hostile neighbor on its border, on its largest border. And so, you know, that's, but you're right. Like, you know, people are falsely viewing Karni as a far greater problem than Palliev. And so those desires for independence. will be subsided. But, you know, the people in Alberta, in my humble opinion, Sean, need to take advantage of what is happening with Trump in the United States and in either demand a

break this constitutional paralysis that we've been in for 40 years to demand, to demand a, break this constitutional paralysis that we've been in for 40 years, to demand, a new deal with in Confederation or and this should be done simultaneously in my view is do a referendum with some clear questions to break to either try to fix what's wrong with Confederation or in the alternative if it can't be fixed then seek some other alliance or independence outside of Confederation. Yeah, I agree. I just, to me, you know, like, knowing a bunch of your story,

one of the things I admire is you found a way to get public support for the bold actions that you did, right? You go back to the days of hunting deer or putting cattle on the streets in Ottawa and different, you know, shutting down one of the largest highways. You just didn't do that. willy-nilly. Like to me, there was a lot of strategy involved in what you did. And so when you're talking about, you know, separating, you know, if the abuse continues and you decide to separate,

we got to get out of this relationship. This is not healthy. There has to be strategy involved because the everyday Albertan, everyday Canadian, you know, like what are we all trying to do here? We're trying to find a way to get the everyday Canadian involved in politics because for for too long, It feels like, you know, I'm speaking to myself as much as anyone watching this or listening, is for too long I was idly by on the sidelines and I'm not really paying attention, didn't think it really mattered. And now you go, in order to win public support for something as serious as, hey, we're out of this country. We're not doing this anymore.

You've got to pick your spots and your timing has to be bang on. And to me, if Carney wins, there is a time there. moment in time where you can galvanize a huge chunk of the alberton population pierre wins it just subsides it doesn't mean that you should stop working on it but we we both can agree what is what favors that movement more carney or pull yet simple carney because people are upset and done with the liberals simply put but this is where the people of alberta you should be looking at you know, when you're looking at strategy and whatnot, you have to look at, well, what is it that is the objective, Sean? What, like, what objective do the people of Alberta want? You know, do they always want to be held hostage to central Canada, making the decisions about where their pipelines will go, who they can export their markets to? What attack will happen on the energy field?

You know, go on and on and on. You know, or, and they should be saying, okay, this is unacceptable. And, you know, we are a economic powerhouse in this country, and we could be far more. But as long as Ontario has 24 senators and Quebec has 24 senators and the entire West only has 24 senators, who's going to control the second house which is a requirement? So like, you know, Manning talked about this, about an equal effect of Senate years ago. You know, there's a requirement for our constitution to be fixed. The distortions and the corruptions within our constitution will always hold Alberta back to the interests of central Canada.

Do you always want to be in that position, Alberta? Because that's, and that's regardless of whether Pierre or Carney, So use this time of Trump reinvigorating a national identity, a national industry in manufacturing program, the utilization and harvesting of our natural resources to create wealth. Use that time to either try to fix Confederation or, and this is delivering. or we're leaving. You know, Quebec has been very successful using that same strategy for since the 1960s. You know, and if, you know, you've got to be getting, you know, as I said about peaceful civil disobedience and you brought up earlier.

You've got to be prepared for the consequences. You've got to show people that you're serious. And if you're not prepared to. to hold a referendum, you're not serious about fixing constitutions or fixing anything. You're not even, you're too fearful to even have a referendum to know what you want. Like, referendums are a fundamental and essential tool in a democracy to give people, to give the voice back to people. So, you know, I think, you know, any MLA in Alberta can introduce a motion to establish a referendum on a question.

Put some heat on. Put some pressure on. Put some pressure on Smith and do so with the eye to get to the objective. And the objective is not to be the 51st state. The objective is not to have independence. The objective is to have a free, healthy, prosperous Alberta. And whether that comes with a change constitution or whether it comes through independence or association with the states, well, let that be dealt with at a later date. But let's show people that you're serious first.

Yeah, well, I, listen, I agree with what you're saying there, Randy. Just to me, the pressure comes when, I don't know, and maybe I'm thinking about this wrong. You know, you can definitely change my mind. I'm always open to different thoughts, but to me, it feels like right now there's a conversation bubbling and everybody's waiting in a holding pattern to see what happens April 28th. And the sad or just the realistic state of it is, is if you get one outcome, the conversation subsides. Now is it for six months, six years? I can't tell you that. If another outcome happens overnight, you have probably pressure like we've never seen in Alberta, at least going back to the one I recall is 2019 with Wexit. Right. And the more people that I talk to that are older than me who have been staring at this for years upon. years, there's been a movement just kind of idling there. And it's in Alberta, specifically

Alberta, this has been a conversation for a lot longer than just the time that Sean's been paying attention to it. And there are these, these waves when all of a sudden the sentiment just grows, right? In 2019, I always go back to exit. Like, it was, it was immediate. And there was town halls, probably within a week of the election, just packed. And, and you have this short period a time where you can really galvanize a group of people of this is this could work and i you know if we're serious about carney getting in that means there will be a moment in time where you can galvanize a force to uh to push and and to light the fire underneath um daniel smith and mLA's feats to push for a referendum to push for we need the question we want to to have a serious discussion about this

I'm just thinking back, like, you know, the West has been, and especially Alberta, has been chewing on this bone for so long. And, you know, the social credit party under Ernest Manning was in a serious constitutional battle with Ottawa and developed and, tried to introduce alberta's own currency to get under away from the boot and the thumb of of ottawa and and then his then the preston in the 1980s with the reform party and the west wants in and you know like this has been going on so why hasn't it worked why hasn't it worked i i listened all these names and you know there's just so many of them why does it never work well you know you have so we we've had differences there more tools have become disposable it have become available to us sean we now have the clarity act um so you know in the 30s and the 80s or

well in late 80s this changed uh but there wasn't the kind of Clarity Act to have a certain process to leave Confederation. That's changed now. We now have a clear way of doing things. So we need to use the new tools that are available to us today. And you have to be serious about it. You know, like, or you should be serious about it. So, you know, I think Quebec in large part,

has utilized this strategy, the Quebec politicians have utilized this strategy, not so much to actually leave, but to gain greater benefit from Confederation and greater transfers, et cetera. But I think Alberta hasn't really been serious, and they've always been, well, Yes, if the Blue Team and Pierre comes in, we're going to be all okay now. But let's not forget. It was Brian Maroney and the Blue Team who gave rise to bloody reform. You know, like, wake up, boys and girls. Let's get serious.

Do you want to have a great future for your children and your grandchildren? Do you want to have a prosperous future? free society or do you want to be running around at uh under the rainbow flage at pride parades and and and and cowtowing to ottawa uh in your dresses in high heels uh to make a difference like come on um you know this is uh get serious and get and get and i mean that get serious um You know, politicians and the law are utilized for somebody's benefit. And in Canada, they're not utilized for the benefit of the person or the individual. They're utilized for the benefit of a very few, very wealthy, central Canadian, the family complex.

that still remains in Canada and still controls our Constitution. Before I let you out of here, you know, when you say you've got to get serious, I'm wondering, you know, I go back to our conversation prior. I keep bringing it up. It was a fantastic conversation if you haven't listened to it. But, you know, when you say you got to get serious, what did it take back earlier in Randy's life? When you started, you know, you started standing up to the police and the government and started win public favor.

Was it a group of people? Was it a conversation had? Was there an instance where you're like, it's time to get serious. Like this can't continue. Of course. You know, I know, it was like which one of the straws was the, the straw that broke the Randy Hill, your back. Yeah. And got me out of the house.

I can't remember. because there were so bloody many of them. And it wasn't just me. It was, you know, it was other like-minded people in Lanark County who were whose livelihoods were being threatened, whose futures were being deprived and diminished. And, you know, I remember that the four of us sitting around that, kitchen table at merle bow's house saying well we better you better get serious and we better do something

about this and uh and you know we went out and had a town hall and told people what we thought and lo and behold we found that there was a great many other people who shared our sentiments and shared our views and who were willing um to put boots on the ground to uh for Forgive me, four people? Four people. It's, it's, you know, there's scripture about ideas and as small as a muster state and, and it grows, right? Yeah.

You know, on this side, you always think it has to be 50 people in a room, right? It has to be, it has to be such a, but if I heard that correctly, you just said, four of us got around a kitchen table, supper table, having coffee and said, it's about time we get serious. So you called the town hall. And if 10 people show up or two people show up, you go, well, maybe, maybe we were wrong. I don't know. Okay.

Instead, people showed up and you're like, holy crap, there's something here. Yeah. That's what I'm hearing, correct? Well, yeah, we, you know, it was funny. You know, we had like 100 people show up in this little community hall in Lanner County. And, you know, I was not a public figure. None of us were public figures. you know, I was an electrician.

Merle was an organic vegetable grower. Brian had a strawberry and raspberry farm. John had a cash crop, you know, corn, wheat and beans. You know, there was nothing. And we just said, we're going to do something. Now, what was funny? Like, I was, three of us were overjoyed that there was 100 people came out, to hear these four unknown rural rednecks or whatever we want to call them.

One of those guys said to me after, he said, that's garbage. We should have had 500 people here. If we can't get 500 people, well, the hall was overflowing and there wasn't a standing room left in the hall. And needless to say, we took the optimistic route that having 100 people come out to hear us was optimistic, not the pessimistic route. But, you know, and those halls would grow and grow into five and six and, you know, into a thousand people across the province. but we were serious. We, you know, and we, you know, and we were, you know, I don't know why, but, you know, our methods and our, and our messages were simple to understand and, and, and resonated and empowered people to also get serious. Well, Randy, I appreciate you hopping on.

Maybe it's just a time, you know, it's probably high time for people to get serious. Either way, appreciate you hopping on and doing this and to everybody who tuned in. There's been a ton of comments. I should, you know, a ton of comments saying basically congrats on your win or thank you for all you do. Tons of people commenting. Thank you for continuing to stand up for Canadians. and you know it's it's been on this side it's been enjoyable to get to know randy uh through just sitting across me you know one day uh hopefully it's in person either way uh appreciate you

hopping on and answering uh some fellow canadian questions and certainly uh hearing a bit about what's been going on yeah so listen you know and i and i do i don't see the comments but listen i recognize and i value that and understand that that this was, you know, I could not have done what I did without a great deal of visual, public, and demonstrable support for my, for this. So, and so I want to extend that appreciation to everyone who has, who stood by with me and stood up and continued to do so, as well as all, you know, there are many people who are behind the scenes who don't want to be known publicly, who are helping me in the legal battle, but also thank you to the JCCF and John Carpe for

their funding and doing this constitutional question. And let's continue to build and demand freedom. in our country and prosperity and and I look forward and hopefully if you're ever this way to Lanark County you can drop into Scuttlebutt Lodge if anybody else who's tuning in they can go to no more lockdowns.ca and we've got a little camp here that people can rent out that also helps support my advocacy and and And I would keep an eye out as well on my social media. I'm doing a series called Canada an owner's manual, a user's guide and owner's manual to help people understand just how our system really works.

So jump on those. And it's been a pleasure, as always, Sean, speaking with you. And we'll hope to do it again soon. and maybe we'll do it again when we finally beat these criminal charges that I'm still fighting with. Or when we have encouraged some Alberta MLAs to demonstrate their backbone and their conviction and introduce a motion for a referendum in Wild Rose Country. Wouldn't that be interesting? Yeah.

Randy. Thanks for hopping on. Okay. See you again soon.