Shaun Newman Podcast - #835 - Drew Weatherhead

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

Drew Weatherhead is the host of The Social Disorder Podcast, where he explores a wide range of topics, from politics and culture to philosophy and technology, aiming to uncover deeper truths about reality. He is a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt and runs DrewJitsu Online, offering instructional videos for martial arts enthusiasts. Weatherhead is also an author, having written Consciousness Reality & Purpose and Layers of Truth, and is about to release his new fictional epic titled Fractures. Cornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastSilver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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All right, let's get on to that. Tale of the tape. He has his black belt and Brazilian jiu-jitsu and is an author and about to release his new book series, Fractures. I'm talking about Drew Weatherhead. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Sean Numa podcast.

Today I'm joined by Mr. Drew Weatherhead. How are you doing, sir? I'm doing great. How are you doing today, Sean? I'm having a pretty good day. I don't know. I've taken Drew on quite the... Galvant, the tour, took him to the new studio.

Because that was one of the promises I'd hope to have by the end of April is that we'd be doing this in the new studio. Instead, we're in the studio. And so, you know, you've probably got more than you bargained for this time around. That's okay, though, because you gave me the option to, because I asked, like, I'm coming back mid-April. I'd love to do the show again. And you're like, you know, I'm going to have this great new studio.

I would love to have you out there as one of the first guys. I'm like, cool, let's do that. And then as the mid of April comes, you're like, Drew, hate to tell you this, it's not going to be ready. So, you know, we can hold this off until it's done. And then we can have you out. Or if you just want to come out, I'm like, I'm just coming out. I want to come out.

There's a lot to talk about. I miss my buddy, Sean, been away for six months. And Canada's gone even more crazy. So I've got to talk about this stuff. Well, and one of the things, I think the audience knows by now. But maybe they're, I'm sure I got some new people. But, you know, like pretty much. We have done this every summer now.

Probably three straight. Yeah, yeah, three years. Maybe four, 2021? Did we, was that? No, because I started my podcast in 2022. Yeah, so the first one we did was when you were in your vehicle in the States. Yeah. You'd been on the tinfoil hat with Sam Tripoli.

That's right. And then somebody passed along to me, so we had you on here. And then you came back from the States after all the mandates had lifted and all that jazz. and we had the institute. And ever since then, every time we come back, we have in the studio. So it's like one of the markers of the year for me, if I would, right? The changing of the seasons.

Drew's back in Alberta. Time to have a little conversation. The migratory Albertans are coming back. That's right. Isn't that a sad thing? I don't know. It's a thing. Before we get going here, here, let's do this. You got a present for me, and I'm going to pay you for it.

How's that? I love it. All right. I know that I'm getting this silver coin. I look forward to it every time. I think this is my third one since you've been doing this. Second for sure. They're so pretty.

I know it's just a coin, but I love me. Fresh Silver. Look at that. Gorgeous. And I'm keeping a different tradition alive because... Every time you... I have released... This will be my third book coming out,

and you have got a first edition signed copy of each one. And this one is my first in a fictional series I'm starting. It'll be a four-book series. And it is going to be a pre-release. So this one is... If it ever blows up and I become an ex-JR.R. Tolkien or something in the future, this will be worth a pretty penny because it's pre-editing. This is the original manuscript. Yeah, so to people, here I'll put it up. So Drew's got a new book coming out, fractures.

Right there. Man, I want to hear all about this. Fractures in Love. Yeah, yeah, that's going to be the first one. Now, contrary to the sound, it's not a romance novel. This is a dystopian fantasy. love will take on its own particular terminology as you go through the book you're going to see there's some interesting twists to it can i just say like i heard your other stuff and at times i'm just like so tired of the world at times i'm just i can't handle more on the world if that makes sense i'm excited for i assume this is why you went there but i'm excited for something that's you know, fiction, but probably resembles a lot of the things that you've probably lived through

scene, experienced, maybe researched, et cetera, et cetera. You know, I'm currently in a series one second after. I'm in the third book of that. And it's just, it's just, it's not even escaping. It's, because so much of it is like, it could happen, it has happened. Or these are the things. It's, there's a lot of different things that can be, um, done with a fiction book that in a nonfiction, a little different. You know all about that. So I assume there's a reason for writing a

fiction book. Definitely. It's something, by the way, I never expected that I was going to do. I never expected to write any books, but they've come into me in this weird way through podcasting. And I've talked about this with you in the past, too, how my first couple books came because of the podcast, because all these ideas start populating and then talking to each other in your head after a while hundreds of guests through you'll start to have these it's almost like a pressure that needs to be released somehow and the release for me was writing about it because at least then I can I felt like I could have an oh moment where it's like okay I've done something with this I feel like this has been I don't know cataloged or packed away neatly in a way I released a book in 2023 24 and then this one will be in

2025. And the first two are what you would call treatises, which are speaking at the reader. You're going to tell them about something. And this is like what you would expect from a philosophical foray or something to that effect. And they are sort of quasi philosophical, although it's more of just like a layman's nuanced version of a lot of the thoughts that not only were presented to me. In the first book, it was a lot of exploration. And then my own thoughts back on those thoughts in the second book, which is more of an explanation than an exploration. But both of the, of those you're speaking at the reader. And if they don't like being spoken at or they don't like the ideas you're speaking to them

or at them about, they're going to put it down. And, you know, that's, that is what it is because that is just the, the nature of trying to project thought into the world. But I found an interesting phenomenon through a lot of the really well-known writers, thinkers, philosophers of the last 150 years in Western culture. is without fail, they always have a fictional aspect to their writings. Now, they have treatises. You can go through the list.

You can go through, obviously, Nietzsche, you can go through Jung. You can go through, like, run down the list of well-known thinkers and philosophers over the last 150 years. But what you'll find is they also have fictional works. And I don't think that that was an accident. I think they came across the same problem of I've got what I feel like are important ideas that I need to put out there for people to see here, enjoy, disagree with. I need it to be in a conversation of some sort, a discourse. But how am I going to get that to the broadest possible audience if at least 50% of them,

maybe only 20% of them, want to read it at all? Nietzsche, for example, one of the most well-known philosophers in Western culture, you know, not very beloved in the Christian circles, because a lot of people attribute him with the death of God in the West. But one of his greatest writings, I think it was, I think it was the gay science or one of those ones around that time near the 1880s. It was released and he was at the peak of his fame at that point. He had already moved out, I think, to the Elps to do his writing. It only sold like 500 copies in his lifetime, which was not that impressive back then.

In fact, he died in the year 1900, never knowing that his stuff was even going to be important. He probably thought he was a total failure. Meanwhile, though, you can look, go forwards to J.R. Tolkien, who's obviously very well known in the literary academic, but he was a language professor, I believe in Oxford. He and C.S. Lewis were both in the same school system at the same time. And it's curious now, if you look at them, like great thinkers, whether it's philosophy or language, theology like their works are like mere Christianity with C.S. Lewis is a staple for Christian reading. It's a staple for... You know what they don't, just to interject for one quick second, because I'm in the middle of mere Christianity. I'm reading way too many books all at the same time, but I kind of weave and flow. I hit something I really like and I sink my teeth into it.

And others, I feel like I can kind of go in and out of it. Mere Christianity, what they should tell everyone, and I don't know why they don't tell everyone this, is that it was him talking on the radio during World War II. That's what mere Christianity is. Is his radio broadcasts during World War II? And then they compiled them. I mean, there's a little more work to it than just that put into a book form. I'm like, oh, that's super cool.

Like, think about being in the war, getting bombed to high hell. He had been through a war at that point, too. He was in the first World War, and he barely survived. I actually wrote about this. My second book, I chronicle him because he's such an important thinker. He was brought on to the BBC, which is the British Broadcasting Corporation, which the national radio station. And you got to remember back in the 1940s, radio was everything.

Like, few people even had a television, let alone anything to watch on it. So you got all of your news and all of your information during the radio. The largest war in human history from the radio. And the BBC, one of the producers there, got a hold of one of Lewis's works. I believe it was called The Problem with Pain. or something to that effect. And it talked about why they're suffering in the world from a Christian point of view. And he said, we need to have this guy to have a regular talk show for, like, in a public

scenario, this is, I wouldn't call it atheistic, but it's secular. It was not a Christian radio station he was going on. This is the national radio station. And what it turned out to be, like during the darkest parts of the blitz, he was the voice of hope where afterwards, after 1945 and the war was over, people. People looked at him as like a savior, essentially, like you got me through. Like, you hear people every now and again saying your shows really help me. Imagine going through the Second World War.

That's what I mean. As the only podcast for your nation. So you just right there sold probably 100 copies of that book, right? Because that right there, as soon as I started hearing, I'm like, why don't people just say that? So, amazing, amazing book that you got to read by him. Mere Christianity, you're like, yeah, sure. Because, you know, I'm sorry, mere Christianity. I'm probably going to learn more about this and be like, oh, actually, it's a great name.

But I'm like overall, I'm like, oh, sure, right? Like, sure. It's a very British name. It's undersells it. Right. And then you just listen. Everything you just rattle off and everyone listens should be like, yeah, that sounds like really fascinating. And listening to it, because I'm listening to it because I found that out.

So instead of buying it, I bought the audible. It's like, listen to it. I'm like, this is freaking insane. I'm trying to put my brain in Britain during World War II, right? Where you're getting everything you just laid out. I mean, it's fascinating. It's fascinating. And then, so if you were to say the name C.S. Lewis to regular Joe Blow on the street right now,

are they going to think mere Christianity? Are they going to think B.D.C. in 1945? No, they're going to think Narnia. They're going to think Narnia. Why? Because it's accessible. Because you don't have to be a Christian. You don't have to survive the Second World War.

All of this is timeless, and this speaks to the value and the potency of fiction. I actually got a quote, actually. I could pull it up here so I don't misquote it. I know I love bringing quotes onto your show, so I prepared this one. This is from CS Lewis. Actually, I follow a page on Instagram. I really suggest you should check it out. It's called The Culturist.

They do daily carousels of really interesting Western culture. And this one was on Narnia and C.S. Lewis. And they said, deep myths do more than deliver one-dimensional moralizing lessons. They give you experiences. And this is C.S. Lewis speaking now. He says, they give us experiences that we've never had. And thus, instead of commenting on life, they add to it. So it takes you outside of the mundane, outside of the diatribes of left versus right or whatever your political system is bickering over at the time. And it puts you in a world that's impossible in a human way. And you get to experience like, you don't have to say,

well, is this character pro-Trump? Because that's going to determine whether I read it or not. because it's not a part of the question that you're being put in as an observer to something that never happened but feels eerily similar to a lot of the things that you've experienced in life. And this is why and how I wrote the book. It's based off of many Jungian principles like archetypes as well as the conscious and unconscious. And if you know those archetypes or those precepts, you'll see them all over the book. They're not, they're pretty out in the open for people who know what they're looking at. But even if you don't, and I was talking to Matt ends about this, who he was one of the guys who read my early version of it.

And he knows all that stuff inside and out. He was the one that got me into Young back in the day. And he's like, you use a lot of like Jungian stuff in here. I was like, well, it's kind of just the low hanging fruit, to be honest, because what it speaks to is what Young would call the collective unconscious. And what the collective unconscious, as far as he is concerned, was the things that are true for humans across general. generations across cultures. It doesn't matter if you speak Chinese in the 10th century or if you speak English in the 20th century. Those things are true. And those are like the mean, the mean, the zeitgeist of humankind is what he would label as the collective unconscious. All of these experiences are true across the mean. And that's where I drew from was the things that are true

across the mean. So you could be a Democrat, you could be a Republican, you could be a liberal, you could be a conservative, you could be someone from Tibet that doesn't know any of this stuff. Yet if you can get into the story, you can be absorbing value out of it. Yeah, well, I've been really into The Godfather. Okay. So I watch, you know, like, I don't know. If you're into movies, you're not into movies. If you're into movies, you know, like Godfather, you hit a certain age and you watch it

because it's on this list of like the greatest films ever, you know, told, ever put together. But I almost guarantee it you're going to be too young. young and you're not going to get it and slow and that's exactly what you're going to complain it's really slow the ending was really good but like it took forever to get there and now I watch it as an um I don't know are we middle age down I guess we're middle age yes hey I still feel like I'm a teenager I know that's never changed yeah what I here's the thing it won't change until until your mind starts to go I think you can be I think you'll be 80 and still think you're You're 20, honestly.

It's just the body around you that, and, you know, and one of the things that I, not fear, but like, go, it'll suck the day your mind doesn't work the way it is right now because it is sharp. But either way, middle age. I've never met somebody in their 60s, 70s, or 80s who feels like they are that. In fact, this is one of my favorite questions to ask people that are older than me. I asked my mother-in-law this the other day, and she's, I think, 68 this year. And I said, if you didn't know your age, if you had no idea how old you are,

How old do you think you are? And she was like, probably like 25? I don't think old people are old. I think they're young people in old bodies. Yeah, I think it's, yeah, I would agree. I, the birthday thing at some point, it's like, who cares? How well are you on? I'm turning 39.

It's a marker. But like, I don't feel 39 at all. You care more about your taxes than that. 100%. Well, I go back to, the thing about it, age though that's interesting to me is so i watch the godfather i don't know why i did this was probably like three weeks ago four weeks ago and the characters in that movie are just like they talk about well written whether it's a book a movie etc it's just well put together they're well acted but they're

well thought out and um and i sat and stewed on that movie for a long time because you know like uh Sonny, the son who gets, forgive me folks, is I rehash the godfather, but Sonny is the second oldest brother, but he's the head of the family when his father is in the hospital. And he is very, very emotional. And I see a lot of myself in that. And so you go, how do you draw a man who is, you know, they're in war. They're at war with everybody because they try to assassinating their, you know, the godfather. And how do you draw him out of a castle surrounded by machine guns and everything else?

By his emotion. And I was like, as I could see it happening, I didn't even realize what's that. You know, it's like I've forgotten the first go-around. And then he, you know, and so they beat his sister. But they do it in a way that he wouldn't suspect, right? In a way that it happened way at the start of the show, his brother-in-law, who he introduced to his sister,

well, he's a drunk and he beats on his sister. And he tells him earlier in the show, you do it again, I kill you. And so what happens? He gets approached. I mean, this is what comes out at the end of the movie, right? He gets approached. He beats his sister again.

She calls. And he goes tearing off before anyone can stop him. And they follow him. And he, before, you know, looter him out. It's emotion. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I sat and talked to one guy about, you know, what was the red pill moment you had? And he goes, 9-11.

And now, you're thinking buildings. You're thinking a whole bunch of everything. And he just said it was the way my blind. rage took over. I'm like, really? It's like, oh yeah, I was ready to kill everyone. You touch us, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, watching the godfrey, I'm like, man, this is brilliant. This is absolutely, this is how they get the population over and over again, right?

Just want to be left alone, and then they start it up, your motion takes over, you stop critically thinking because it's elbows up, it's Team Canada, or it's, you know, go the other way, you know, it's Nazis, it's racist, whatever word it is. They play on your emotion. and our emotions cloud us, and all of a sudden, you're out exposed, and not only 10 bullets in you, but they light them up.

There's probably a thousand bullets in them at that scene. They make sure he is never coming back from it. Okay, quick question, because this has been, I've been saving this question. I haven't asked any of my Canadian friends since I've been back for the last couple days here. I've got to save this one for Sean, because I'm sure he knows.

What in the hell is an elbow's up? because I've been down in the States for the last six months and I see this popping up on certain Canadians' feeds and they're talking about elbows up as if it means something or that I know what it means and neither of those things are true. It makes absolutely no sense to me. I haven't seen people do.

Is this a thing people are doing now? What is this? It's a hockey reference. Tell me. Forgive me, folks. Is it the 60s, the 70s? It doesn't matter. It's a, you know, you go in the corners,

you get your elbows up. and, you know, it actually, an elbow to the face is not a comfortable thing. It'd be a penalty now, especially in today's at HL. But it's a reference back to how the game was and how when you go in the corner and you're going to go fight for the puck, you get your elbows up. That's what it's referencing. It's a hockey reference. Okay, okay.

So this makes sense. That's why he does. It's meant as a defensive, offensive, reaction. Against the United States. You're going to get ready to attack them back. is supposed to sort of justify reactionary tariffs. Is this the idea? Yeah.

To me, it's brilliant because it plays on, I would say if I was to tell you, you know, if you take the convoy out of it, what's the last time you just felt like Canadian and, man, I would tell you every time the Canadian hockey team puts on the Olympic jersey or Team Canada suits up. I feel like all of Canada puts down all their swords, all their guns, all their left right,

and they all just go cheer for Team Canada. It's very unifying. So what does Carney do? I was up. Then he gets a commercial with Mike Myers. And Mike Myers, lover hate the guy. The commercials, really freaking clever. I mean, on the flip side, like,

I detest everything about it. But it's really clever. It plays off of, you know, arguably one of the best comedians to come out of Canada. I know there's going to be lots of people that, you know, but come on. Yeah, I watch Austin Powers three times in theaters. Austin Powers was awesome.

It was. It was great. So they put Austin Powers, or Mike Myers, and Mark Carney and Team Canada jerseys, and they banter the way we used to banter 20 years ago, and then they go elbows up, elbows up. And they're at the rink, and it's very culturally like, yeah, let's put on our Team Canada jersey, let's get elbows up.

These guys know what's going on. They're talking hockey. They're not looking at fancy socks, and, you know, he's got great hair. No, these are two guys. No, what's going on. It's very, very clever. Hmm. So this speaks back to your point, though, is that you can't motivate people based on logic or reason or sensibility. You motivate them by their emotions. That's why I like Michael Corleone. And Michael Corleone, if you watch the movie, is the brother they should have killed.

Michael Corleone becomes the new godfather, and he kills everyone at the end, right? He goes out and wipes out all of his enemies. and he is very calculated almost too far. And so he looks back and he never shows any emotion and he waits and then he waits some more and then he waits a little bit longer until they all think he's forgot about it. And then he waxed them all. And Sunny was a very, well, I think a lot of Canadians are like this.

I know I'm like this. You can get my emotions wound up real fast. I see something just sparks me and, you know, some people laugh at it. Some people think it's awesome because, you know, show some emotion, right? But to me, it blinds you. Michael Corleone, why I like the film is like there's all these different character arts, all these different, like, very well written.

And there's Michael Corleone. And he sits there and he takes notice of everything. Okay. This is what we're going to play? That's fine. And he waits, any waits, any waits. And, you know, like, right now I watch the Canadian public and they can't all be like that but they're you know but nine eleven went and and i was i didn't

have any critical thinking you know 2020 came to 2002 there's a lot that didn't have critical thinking then right so like in fairness it works because we're seeing it play out over and over and over again you play on people's you see what sparks emotion and then you push on it that's why trump i assume kept pushing on the 51st state thing is the emotion it exuded now it's like it's kind of interesting to watch because I'm like, now what I see is him going on, the one was the Fox News, where the ladies like, you can't be serious, you want the liberals to win. And Trump, right, because every rational person knows who the liberals are. I'm not saying every United States person does, but people who are in the realm of covering

politics get what Justin Trudeau was. No. And Donald Trump is playing on it still. Oh no, liberals are way easier to work with. You're like, what's he doing? Does he know that Alberta is on the brink of possibly pushing for, you know, like, and I don't mean brink is in this as easy you flip a switch and boom, it's done. But certainly Carney gets in.

There's going to be some conversations had here in the days to come. We're 11 days away from that. By the time this airs will be like eight days away from it, seven days. Man. I don't know if any of that made sense. No, it does. I mean, this is my big issue with the whole thing right now is there's all of the talking points, all of the talking heads, all of the sound bites are talking about tariffs.

It's talking about Trump, talking about tariffs. What's the tariffs today? What's the Trump, Trump, Trump, tariff, tariff, tariff, tariff. It's all we've got a federal election coming up in Canada and what are they talking about? Trump. Tariffs, Trump. It's the stupidest thing. It's like, has everybody forgot the last five years?

Like how goddamn hard is it to remember Justin Trudeau and what he did over the last, did the pandemic not happen for everybody who's going to vote right now? Because if it did, there is no actual choice in this. You cannot put those people. It's like they've got a rotting corpse of what Canada was in front of them. And they're saying, look over here. Tariffs, Trump, Tariffs, Trump, look over here. Please don't look at the thing we killed in front of you,

all of your careers and your dreams and your families and your jobs and everything else. Don't look at that. Just remember, next couple days, next couple weeks, Trump, Trump, tariff, tariff, and because elbows up, we're the good guy, make sure to vote for us. And I'm looking at the graphs and charts right now. Now, granted, I don't really trust polls that much. But go to CBC right now and pull up the chart. And you'll see the liberals coming down like this until about March 15th, and then they go like that. Straight up and down. It's the most ridiculous goofy hockey stick you've ever seen of a chart. I'm like, this cannot be real. But at the same time, I'm thinking, thinking to the degree that Canadians are gullible,

to the degree that they've proven that they're gullible or at least malleable over the last five years, maybe I don't put it past them. Maybe we're going to get a Carney-like CBC CIS we are, and maybe they deserve it. That's my rant. Well, well said. Like, at this point, there's more and more Albertans, I would say,

even people, we sit right on the border and Saskatchewan folk, say maybe Carney's the best thing that can happen. Well, think of it like this. Sorry, speed up the decline or speed up the pain. Sure. Well, think of it like this. What does your body do when it gets sick? Generally, you get a fever.

Why would you want to have a fever? You feel terrible. You have a headache. You're sweating. You're nauseous. You want it all to end, and it can last for hours, days. You can be in bed just sweating and hallucinating at 103 degrees. Why would your body do that to you?

Well, it cranks the heat up. It ratches the heat up until, guess what? what, you can burn out whatever is making you sick. And sometimes it takes like that suffering to get there. And I mean, use whatever analogy you like, I don't think that we're cranked up hot enough to fix whatever is killing Canada from the inside because there is something festering at the highest level of Ottawa that nobody is actually excising right now. And I don't think that Pierre is going to be the solution to that, but the very least he'll probably be like a respite. And if that's the best that we can get federally right now, maybe that's good for Canada. It's definitely better than a

Carney as far as federal politics and the problems he's going to bring in will be. But we're in Alberta right now. I mean, now we're on the border of it here in Lloydminster, but we're in Alberta and it might be one of the worst things that could happen if we continue to keep our boat tied tethered to the anchor of Canada. Now, I know that you've been talking to a lot of different separatists and people that are separatist sympathizers. I would probably throw myself in with that lot right now. And it's not because I hate Canada. I've been a Canadian my whole life. It's because whatever Canada is or has become or has infested it at this point, we have an opportunity as Albertans to actually disconnect from that. And at least for the people

that are willing to join onto that movement, it could be the best part of Canadian history, to be honest, even if we're not part of Canada anymore. And it's not that. It's not that, uncommon throughout history like we're human life is what a hundred years 76 if you look at the the average I think 78 right now in the West it's actually not a long time in historical standards where if you were to go back 100 200 300 years borders change all the time I looked at a a time lapse of borders changing since Christopher Columbus hit North America and it it ratchets through 500 years of just it looks like meandering rivers

moving at high speeds, the borders are changing constantly. Like Mexico used to run all the way up to Seattle. Like the borders changed all the time. And just because we've lived in a world where we feel like, well, these borders are the ones I was born with and they're never going to change because they've never changed so far. Who's to say that they're not? Who's to say that they shouldn't? Who's to say that they won't? And everybody seems to be making this big to do over, well, we can't succeed because we're part of Canada. Why? Do we have to be? Do we follow them to the grand? if that's where they're headed? Because why? Because of a flag, because of elbows up. Like, tell me exactly why. Because meanwhile, we're sitting on some of the most resource-rich

land, some of the most ingenuous people in history that have been doing nothing but just being drained by the succubis of Ottawa. And for what? Because we're nice and say A, and we all like coffee and hockey. And it seems so nonsensical to look at it from a third person's perspective why Alberta would even want to continue on that I don't even think it's an argument anymore about should we it's it's a question of how do we get out of it you know what I mean like what are your sensibilities on this well what I what I was just wanting to look up real fast yeah 1965 so 1965 is when the current Canadian flag uh got you know so like when you talk about things haven't changed in our lifetime in my father's lifetime albeit when he was really young

they got a brand new flag and I didn't realize this until you start reading some history books or start talking to some people Yeah, you think it went back 150 years if you never read that. Yeah, well, and you wouldn't know what the red... I remember the first time I heard the red enzyme. Red Ensign.

I'm like, what the heck is that? And then you talked to some people who were probably 75 to 90-ish in there and I'll tell you people were pissed because they had fought in both World Wars with the red enzyme on their shoulders or that, you know, like, you wonder why everybody went back to Britain wall?

Well, because, I mean, literally the red enzyme, it's pretty, not the pretty much British flag, but, you know, you can really see the connection. And so, like, you know, in our time, in my parents' time, we've had a giant change, which is a flag, okay? Now, is that a big change, a little change, take your pick? in our lifetime, we've had the national anthem changed. I mean, that's small, big, whatever you want to call it.

How about a new territory? We've got none of it. That didn't exist, what, 15, 20 years ago? Probably, yeah, probably about that. And so you go, like, things are changing all the time. It's just that this idea of Canada. And, you know, like, I go back to, I had Vesper, Clyde, and 2s on the show. And I argue, this, I don't know, is this six months ago?

I can't remember. It was a live stream. And I just was like, no, I'm Canada. No. And it's funny because it took me a month. It was three months. And then I started digging into it, the more I dig into it. And you tack on all the conversations I've done.

And I love Canada. I want nothing more than to stay a part of Canada. Like, I mean, yeah. That's the, it's, but there's a huge butt there. You know, it's like, it's like, were all the doctors and nurses evil in COVID? No, God, no. But you have to, but there's still a problem. We still have to address the problem and it is in their field.

There is a problem in law right now. It doesn't make every lawyer awful, but you can see that there's a problem there. In politicians, are they all evil? No, but can we agree that there's a problem there? There's a problem there. Are we gonna fix it or aren't we gonna fix it? And when you look at Canada as a whole, there's a lot going on. And you keep, oh, if we get the, if we get enough politicians in there and we, you know, maybe we could change.

And then you just start digging in a lot and you're like, this is set up to work exactly. exactly how it's working. So the only paradigm shift we can actually do, you know, and I want to make this very clear that I'm not, I don't even know if I should say this on air, but, you know, I'm not advocating for this, but you bear arms, you go back to how the Americans did it, okay, or you do it by the rules of the law. Okay, I got some questions for you on that, because I've listened to a lot of your very well-educated guests talk about the law, talk about the precedents that were set through the, effects that Quebec tried to separate back in the 90s, clarity act, et cetera, et cetera. Yes, and they go deep on this stuff. And I'm thinking while I'm listening to this, I wonder what Sean actually thinks about the viability of this,

because when I hear it, how it bounces off my ears is, hey, we've got this really cool dog and pony show that we can put you on the tread wheel for over here if it makes you feel better about separation. Where a best case scenario, which you probably won't get to best case scenario, you can come to the table with your masters in Ottawa, and they'll give you a couple more scraps. you can go back happy.

That's basically how it feels. And meanwhile, I'm looking at this, just as a cursory glance through a historic lens being, when was the last time an emperor or an empire allowed for one of their most prosperous nations, colonies, satellites,

to just amicably separate? When has that ever happened? Show me one instance, because I will tell you, I guarantee you it, ever has and B, the only reason it ever has happened is because they bore arms. And look, again, I'm not that guy who's going to be like, everybody should, you know, shoot your master's kind of thing. But realistically, I don't see that there is a possibility without at least the threat of actual,

like, this is the thing with humans and this is true in life. This is the Nietzschean truism. The Ubermensch is a real thing, okay? Might is important. And it is really the bottom, lowest common denominator of, I don't want to, now what? Don't tread on me. What do you mean? What if I do tread on you? You know what I mean? It always comes down to violence is the lowest common denominator. It's been like that since the beginning of time for humanity. And people who don't believe that have never had to get in a fight before. Because you can argue and argue and argue. And where does that actually lead to? It leads to a fight starting with words, starting with body parts and suddenly there's teeth and blood on the ground because might makes right in the very real way.

Now, I don't like that that's the case. I would rather negotiate. I'm a peace first person, but I'm also a martial artist who understands that the best offense is a strong defense. If you don't know how to defend yourself or don't have the capability to defend yourself, every crook and bastard out there that wants to take advantage of you simply can. And so what happens when the crook and bastard comes up to you and says, nah, you can't separate. Good try. You didn't get what I call a clear majority in this vote. It was only 58%. We were looking more like a 62, 63. So, you know, back to the drawing board anyways. I'd like your $70 billion next year, Alberta. Thank you very much. Maybe we'll ratchet up to 80 because things are tough. What are you going to do at that point? This is why I think a U.S. backing right now may be the only possible solution to come out of this without anybody bearing arms, because they have. are the arms. They're the world arms. They are the military of the empire. There's no stronger

country than them. And it's not because they have the greatest exports. They have some good exports. It's because their export is war. And everybody knows it. And, you know, good and bad. They've used it for good and bad. And many, many bads that I don't really like, as anybody of a student of history or even of the last 20 years knows. But if there was a possibility and avenue, a threat of US backing if Canada wanted to get uppity with a separating Alberta because they're like, you know, we're cool with you separating. What are you going to do about that Canada? You're going to send your what, 70,000 down to fight the US over it? Because you probably won't. You probably can't. Your one tank isn't going to make it the whole way. So, I mean,

this sounds like a whole lot of senseless bravado, but honestly, I would love nothing more in my lifetime for Alberta to separate. And I cannot see it happening through the rule of law under the Canadian government. I just can't see it. They won't let it. I think we learned in COVID that you park a truck and you just say, I'm not moving it. Move it. I'm not moving it. Now, if you're one person, they come to move your truck, off you go to jail, and that's how long that lasts. But when there's, you know, Randy Hillier back in the early 2000s, when there's 500 pieces of machinery, that's a different story.

And then when it's 500 pieces of machinery with the public backing, meaning tow trucks don't want to show up, what happened in Convoy, or the public just supports you. And going against said protest will actually put the government in a bad light. That's, for lack of a better term, that's statesmanship. I hate the game. But I look at it and you go, like, what do I actually think? all the rules have been set up to make us not get out.

And we can talk about clear, clear everything. But I also think the table is being set over the course of decades to where there is a path, even if it is to not let you get out. Maybe it is only to sit back at the table and get a little bit more money back or a little more freedom back or a little more like Quebec or whatever that looks like. But if you don't have people in a province or in an area willing to show up and just say, we're not going anywhere. Like I look at Chris Barber right now, getting, I think they're suggesting two years,

and they want to come take away his Big Red, right? That's part of it. And I agree with the conversation I had earlier before I ran in, or before you got here. If they come and they being Ottawa to take Big Red, there should be, you know, the number he threw out this morning was 30,000. I'm like, if it's like, it should be 50,000 people, 100,000, this is a no. You're not taking that anywhere. That deserves to be in a museum.

You're not going to crush this. Are you kidding me? And the day they come is the day that we, it should just, everybody should be there. But the other thing I've also learned through this is any time you stand up against the machine, and Randy Hillier would say it isn't a protest unless there's the possibility of being arrested at the end.

And I think a lot of us are trying to come to terms with the fact that in order to stand up to the machine, which is our government, which is Ottawa, there's the possibility of that. And you've got to be okay with that, which means you got to wrestle with a bunch of demons. You got to, you know, lots of people are doing jiu-jitsu or boxing or some physical avenue to try and get their body that way. I know for myself, I've always played the game of hockey and I've always witnessed another team trying to impose their will on you, right? People who say that's out of the game, don't know the game because it's just created in different ways.

I'm also learned from a lot of historical context how important wrestling with the idea of God and what that plays on your mind and how you can walk in anywhere with that on your side and just like do whatever you want after you're done with me I know where I'm going and I'm quite okay with it and so to me there's a lot there

I don't know if that answer is anything you're talking like I get what you're asking let me pull part of that out as a sort of thought experiment here. We'll use the convoy because most of your listeners were listening to you during it, as I was while I was down in the States. I used to listen to your updates as you would put out the daily,

you know, what's going on with the convoy for the couple weeks you're out there. And that was a great view into what was going on at the ground level for the man on the street. But let's use the convoy as a microcosm right now because that was sort of a smaller version of Canadian standing up to Canada.

Okay, there's different reasons. But it was a large group. And guess where they started from? They started from Alberta. Isn't that interesting? But anyways, they get to Ottawa. And the idea of setting up camp there was to have parlay. They wanted to negotiate.

They wanted to sit down with the people in charge and discuss their grievances. It never happened. They were there for three weeks every day. Nothing was going on. Okay, nobody would come out and treat with them. A couple conservatives would come out to get a photo op and disappear. here, but nobody actually from the government even dared to step. What they did is they turned up, they ratchet up the propaganda machine and said, look at all the Hitler's out here on our lawn and

wrecking everything and making everything horrible and all the PTSD because of all the horns and this is evil, evil, bad, bad, bad. By the way, we don't want to talk to them. We're not going to talk to them. So they're saying, no, we're not going to let you come to the table. And, you know, tacitly, they're saying, we're not going to let you to come to the table because you aren't actually a part of this conversation. It's not a conversation to have. Now, you can take that analog and look at Alberta versus Ottawa. You think they're going to want to. even let us come to the table. They're going to ratchet up the same CBC propaganda about how Alberta bad and they're trying to take all of the food out of your baby's mouth from Ottawa or from

Quebec or whatever. And it's all these terrible people that want horrible things that aren't real Canadians. And so don't listen to them. We don't have to listen to them. Okay, they're going to play that trick. What happened after that? Well, they started trying to attack the little guy one at a time. They started coming for your crisp barbers. They started coming for your Tamara leeches. They started coming for all of these ringleaders and trying to like cut the head off the same. and they figured that that would dispel it. What actually happened on the 14th of February, 2002, when Justin Trudeau enacted the Emergencies Act? Boots hit the ground. Boots hit the ground, hooves hit the ground. And people were forcibly pushed back by quasi-military might. And we had

no answer to that. There was no answer to that because it was always meant to be a peaceful protest. That's always what it's going to come down to is, okay, time to bring the bully squad out. going to do now. You're not going to do anything. You need to have a bully squad or else that's where you're going to end that non-conversation. And again, I'm not here trying to raise arms or foment armed uprising. What I'm saying is that if there was some sort of, well, you've got this card, but so do I. Then we're at parody again. This is almost like a mutually assured destruction thing, the mad that they had between the Soviet Union and the US. Nobody wanted to use the nukes, but we could. don't forget we could and if you do we will and because of that you know parody we're no the only way

you get to your train of thought is the pain needs to go up right now i mean you walk out this door go talk to an average alberton things are tough but they're not that tough and i i'm probably glazing over a lot of tough tough things that are going on right now but everybody has their their um hope i would say for majority in alberta that pierre poliev is going to get in and he's going to fix everything and everything's going to be okay. How do you see a Pierre Pahliav prime ministership? Say he wins and was it nine days from now. He wins.

We get a conservative, let's call it minority, because at least trying to glean something from the polls, they say a majority is not even possible, which blows my mind that the liberals aren't going to be completely washed. But, okay, they say that a minority is the best case for Polyev to even be able to take the seat of power. What does that look like for the next four years? I mean, it may not even be four years if it's a minority.

They could protest the government and grieve it into an early election. I wonder about the polls. Tonight, as we record this, right? So we won't have this out before this happens is the English debate, right? So to me, my eyes are set on that. I hear all the propaganda being spoon. I don't trust it all because it's come from the same people who told me everything about COVID and everything else. It's like, why would I take all that for face value?

Now, I do notice in people around me and different things I watch where the elbows up thing really worked. Donald Trump being the enemy really worked. And them calling a quick election, you know, I mean, maybe it's working. And he did remove the carbon tax, right? That is noticeable. Like people aren't, you know, and so you watch that. Now, Pierre gets him. What does four years look like?

my brain tells me it's going to be a slowdown of the like the decline like when I look at Kearney I think what I do for a living he's going to try and shut it down like I you know like they're going to try and shut down you know he's referenced disinformation platforms

large American ones who is that well that'd be done that'd be Elon Musk right that'd be X and since Elon Musk has taken in it over does it have some glitches in it or maybe even manual you know like things down to the sure but compared to where it was in covid it's insane how much better it is and for what i do and others do like those are really important like that you know and so you look at that right there those two those two if you had pierre in do i think he's shutting us all down no do i think uh carney's going to yes i think he's going to try very hard when you look at natural resources do i think carney's

going to shut that down yeah i do i think prayer is going to shut that down yeah i do i think perr is going to down no not at all um you know and you go you go further down the line than that i like what does it look like in four years two years if if he gets a minority government the rhetoric doesn't stop because they're going to attack him until they get an election again right isn't that what's going to happen like the question is does pierre have the ability to hold on the power for four years and get things done this is my my question like the actual what is it going to provide for you like Having a respite from the liberals is great. A respite from the liberals.

That's probably what's going to provide. Yeah, but this is why it feels more to me like the best case scenario is a pause. We get a little bit of pause. Everybody can breathe. We've got our 15-minute break before we go back to work and have to deal with all the nonsense again. Because sure, if Pierre gets in, again, this is on the pretense that he can only win a minority. Two, three months ago, I would have told you it was a guaranteed. Super majority.

It looked like it. There was no chance. I mean, the liberals had nobody. to run against them. If they were going to run Trudeau, it was a guarantee that we're going to have a full conservative wash. Any chances? The Kamala Harris effect. Definitely. There's definitely a chance of that.

But I don't know because here's the thing with the Kamala Harris effect is people think because the government or the party that is pushing the propaganda, the synthetic reality I like to call it, they have to still come up

on voting day and prove what is real reality? You can show me the fake reality. all you want, but we're going to see real reality on the voting day. Not really, not necessarily, because it depends how much the people who are voting believe in the synthetic reality. So if they are malleable to what is being spewed at them constantly, I got a haircut at the barbershop the other day and he had the TV on. And the number of times I heard the words tariff, Trump, Canadian news, and talking about the upcoming elections and tariffs and Trump, I was like, this is what people are being Fed on the TV 24-7, on the radio 24-7, on whatever avenue they can get because you can't get news

on social media anymore. That's something I have to remind myself of when I come back from Canada, or from the U.S., when I'm down in the States in Florida, I can get Rebel, I can get True North, I can get all of these alternative media sources that literally disappear from reality up here. So you want to talk about the prevalence of synthetic reality up here. It is thick. I think that's one of the things that would change with Piero. Mm-hmm. You saw it last night with the French debate after it was done, they got to ask questions of all the debate, or all the panelists, all the leaders of the different parties. And it was a rebel. It was true north. It was

Juno News. It was, you know, like, it was a bunch of people that you would not expect to be allowed to ask questions. We're asked to, you know, Singh just kept going. Yeah, Rebel News, not answering your question. You already know that. So waste your blunder, but, you know, I'm not, or waste your error, but I'm not going to expand them on it. Made them look like a total ass hat, right? But, I mean, that was interesting to me. Yeah, it looks very banana republic from the outside. But here's another question. So let's say that Polyev gets in

and to whatever degree, synthetic reality gets cut back because he always has been talking about defunding the CBC. Now, I don't know that he's going to because it'll be in his hands at that point if he's going to keep funding it. But maybe I just don't know the nuance of how this works in Parliament.

If he were to, quote, defund the CBC with a minority government, Could he still do that? Or would it be argued and shot down in parliament? I don't know if he could still do that. Now, if he doesn't, again, what does that look like for the propaganda machine out there? And I say that's tongue in cheek. But dude, it's so obvious when you come up here and look at what is supposed to be mainstream traditional news. Like, oh, my, you might as well just have this handwritten by the Liberal Party.

It's that bad. So, okay, maybe we don't have as much of that for the two to four years that we get a minority government. I was listening to, to, why is his name just jumped on my head, Jordan Peterson the other day. And he made a pretty compelling argument, as he tends to do very clinically, about how if we get a conservative government, it's going to be a one-term thing. Whether it's a short term or a full term. It's only going to be a one-term thing because what this is going to do is going to rebound whatever margin that the conservatives beat them with over back into the liberals, because everything becomes Pierre's problem, then. All the problems that he's inheriting are impossible to fix,

and every effort he's going to try to fix them. There's not enough time in one term to fix it, so it's just going to look like he's blundering over and over, which is a lot of what I think is going on with the tariffs and Trump, if I'm going to actually put an opinion out there about tariffs, Trump, terrorist Trump, I think this is very early into a painful process that's supposed to be a long process of reclamation for their prosperity within themselves as a country,

and it's either going to work great in the long run, or it's going to hurt so much in the short term that they just stopped the project and it's going to be a disaster. But I think if Pierre comes in and he tries to do all the fix-it things that he says he's going to do and they're going to be fought like hand and fist

in the parliament to even be able to get bills passed to do anything that he wants to do, it's just going to look like nothing gets done, everything's getting worse, and now it's Pierre's problem, so let's get him out because we were better with the liberals will be the idea.

That's what Peterson was saying. Well, I mean, at this point in time, sitting in Alberta, you go, if Carney gets in, what independence folk of Alberta have been talking about for, you can go back lots of years, because there's people that are, you know, our elders that have been waiting for moments like these. If Carney gets in, the tea leaves or the conditions are almost perfect. for the emotion, you know exactly where it's going to go. It's like it's just going to go to the moon and back. And in order to even go down the path of referendum,

you need a crazy amount of people to be on board for that. It's got to be like the number one talking point of everywhere you go in society. And right now, quietly, I would say in Alberta, people are talking more lots. Yeah, yeah. We're at like a rolling boil before it starts to steam. That's right. and Carnie gets in, it's just going to go absolutely apocalyptic. Yeah, it'll be a flashpoint.

Yeah. Pierre gets in, and that's what the same people right now are talking about it, seriously or, you know, semi-serious waiting on the election, is it just goes back to a simmer and just waits for the next opportunity because, you know, the relationship's broken, can Pierre fix it? No, you put it, pretty eloquently pointed out how much problems we have in Canada. And can he undo all the things? Probably not.

And, you know, a project doesn't, you know, just take any project you want. It doesn't get built in the snap of a finger. Just like leaving Canada, it doesn't happen in the snap of finger, you know? Like, you can throw all the problems you want at it. Oh, you haven't thought of this. You haven't thought that. It's like, before we even get remotely close, you know, you need 600,000 people to sign to push for a referendum in a 90-day window, 20% of 58 of the riding.

So 20% of the voters from 58% of the riding have to, I'm butchering this just ever so slightly. Just to explain, though, the idea is, it's complex. It's not like you get 600,000 all from Lloyd Minster, not that we have that number. You've got to get 600,000, and it's got to be across 58 ridings where it represents 20% of the previous voter, turno, whatever.

I think that's how it breaks down. It's like, that's going to be a very difficult challenge, right? Yeah, you're going to be moving at the speed of federal lines, Have fun with that. And have fun with that. Yeah. And you know what kills an emotional response better than anything? It's just time.

Just give it time. You know, everybody will sort of get stuck in the malaise of their day-to-day, nine to five, and they'll forget about it. How many people did you meet through COVID that we're going to fight until the end? And this is no knock on any of them because I know exactly. It's attrition. It just takes so much out of you. And they got an endless supply of money, an endless supply of time. Mm-hmm.

You know? like just sit there and wait and just and that's you know I come back to it's why I like the godfather so much honestly like I mean I'm like I'm shocked that I keep talking about it but you go watch that and you watch the patience of Michael Corleone just sits and watches and does a lot of the things I've been I've been overlaying shout out to Ken we were talking to get on the way out to the studio and he was talking about trying to overlay I can't remember Soljonetson with a couple other authors and just some of their ideas and kind of put them on and kind of look at it.

And I've been overlaying Proverbs with the Godfather. I bet you nobody's done that one yet. I have no idea. But I'm like, you know, like I watch, don't get me wrong, Michael Corleone does some pretty rough things. But I watch how he acts and the way he positions himself and everything. And then you stick on some of the things that Proverbs talks about. I'm like, yeah,

You know, like Pierre gets in, I'm not going to let it bother me. It's not the end of the world. Carney gets in. It's not the end of the world. It's just going to create conditions for something to possibly happen. I'm kind of tired of like, you know, carne gets in the world's over. No, it's not.

It's going to keep going. There are possibilities of him getting in that could turn out to be the greatest thing or the worst thing somewhere in between, you know. Are we all eating bugs in 10 years? It's possible. Or a whole chunk of people leave Alberta. or Canada, we've already talked about that. We already know a ton of people that have left or leaving or will leave if that scenario plays out.

You know, it's, it's, you know, we got choices to make it all times. And I don't know, I'm almost like gassed out of talking about this election. I'm just like, let's just get it done with. Let's just see. You know, like I know my vote. Am I voting folks? Yeah, I'm voting. And I just know out in the West it means almost nothing.

Nothing. thing. I got to wait and see what the East does. It's probably the most frustrating thing about starting to look into Canadian politics. You're like, oh, my goodness. One of the most emasculating feelings is federal election comes. You did your vote. You're watching it being tallied live on the TV.

And the voting is already a foregone conclusion before we get to Manitoba. It's like, my vote's still two provinces over. It's over? Mine didn't count. It's done. It's mathematically impossible now. Every single time. It's like, well, what did Quebec can Ontario do? Because that's what that's what it is. Sorry guys. Anyways, waiting for that next 70 bill.

Yeah, there's a reason why there's that broiling in Alberta. And you know what's interesting? So I was looking at an article from our mutual friend, Corey Morgan, the other day. And he had a political cartoon at the top of it, which was just so perfect. It had a cow that was stretching over Canada from Ottawa and it was grazing and being fed by Alberta and Saskatchewan and being milked by it's an old cartoon yeah that cartoon is a hundred and fifteen years old over a century old and nothing about that has changed if anything it's only gotten worse generationally how many generations since then three four generations well my my great grandfather moved here in 19 well the family farm started in 1911 so yeah that was

It was 1905, roughly. So you just, that's why I come back to it. And I don't bring up, once again, the godfather, as in like in the next three years, you just be patient, and we're going to get this. It's like, you know, once upon a time, I thought there's no way. I've said this story lots.

I apologize. That a government or a group of people could be as patient as waiting years, months, or months, years, decades. And then I read Soljaninson, and he talks about the big game of Solitaire. right and you read that it's almost like well crap I was wrong there and when you look at that cartoon you go it just shows you how hard to get a population to come together to throw off the shackles

of an oppressor truly is and you and you know and so you go back to like well get trained up maybe you gotta park a couple samis over here and block the road and we're not moving it and we're doing her own thing. Well, maybe, I don't know. But like 115, 120 years later, like what's changed? Lots of things, but not a whole lot.

And the rules are designed to make sure that you can't. And it leaves you one way out or a couple ways out, let's say. And one way they know, I mean, who's going to do that? I think the number I heard was 3% in the population. So if you had 3% of Alberta, let's say, bear arms, once again, not suggesting this, just that if you had 3% of the population bear arms,

that's roughly how the U.S. got independence for freedom. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's kind of funny to what you could never have planned or orchestrated the American Revolution because it was over what, a 2 or 3% tax on tea? Like, it was in a nonsense thing. It wasn't the actual tax that started the revolution. That was just the flashpoint in the pan. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.

That's right. And they started the Boston Tea Party. Nobody could have planned. This is going to be the uprising of the colonies when we throw a bunch of British tea into the ocean. Look at the convoy. Exactly. They literally locked us out everywhere. People tried to.

All sudden, and dad said this to me because dad's a tracker. He says, you want to stop a country, or you want to stop Canada, piss off the truckers. Well, what happened? They pissed off the truckers. All of a sudden, there's a convoy. And voila, you're out of the situation. You couldn't have planned that because guess what the Americans tried to do after that? Do you remember the American convoy?

How did that go? Didn't happen. You couldn't actually plan that. That was a spontaneous thing that was more of the spirit of the people of the time than it was some orchestrated plan. And so I don't know what type of plan it takes to actually get an Alberta independence in the future because I don't think you can create that. I think it needs to be organic. And again, if it's something as silly as 3% tax on tea that pushes us to actually start uprising or standing up for our own sovereignty or individuality, maybe that's what it is and what that looks like here, I don't know. In the meantime, though, I just, I keep feeling that sentiment listening to you, listening to the people you have on, talking to people that's, you know, I trust their opinions of.

It's like everybody in Alberta is so ticked off about what's going on right now. They're either going to, they're almost like they're hitting their amygdala right now where you've got your lizard brain fighter flight response. But are they going to flee or we're going to fight? And that's just like who's going to get their backup and who's going to get the hell out? And it feels like that's one of those. And I mean, this could all be hyperbole too. This could all be a whole lot of bluff right now with a bunch of people that are just mad

and want to air it out. But we'll see, you know, because it's only going to be. less than two weeks before we see when the rubber hits the road. Read, my brother sent me an interesting article by Doomberg. I forget what this was. How long ago? Sorry, it was. Was it a week ago?

It doesn't matter. About the origins of the Alberta population. What do you mean? So when the settlers came, where they came from. And I forget the number. I think it was 75 or 80,000. Here, let's see, where did I pull this up from? Give me one second, folks.

Here, let's pull this up. I want to say, I want to say, got too many group chats going on. That's going to be my problem. I feel like there'd be a significant amount of Ukrainian in there. Here's, here's Duneberg. It says, if this all seems well, rather American,

it's because it practically is, the event was conceived in 1912 by an American trip roper, Guy Weedlick, who ventured north in the wave of U.S. immigrants lured by Alberta by a government eager to welcome them. during a 15-year period, approximately 82,000 Americans arrived in the province. By 1916, those of American birth constituted, constituted, read it out loud, Sean, nearly 19% of the total population.

So the characteristics assigned to America's classical liberal, it goes on and on and on. So when you see, why is Alberta the outspoken one? He's pointing to the fact that back in 1916, one and five, Albertans were actually Americans. And you think like... That makes sense. It, well, I mean, it kind of makes sense, doesn't it? All came up here, got land and have, you know, bled and fought and, I'm not fought, bled and been a part of the story that this is.

Yeah, there's a huge Ukrainian background in this too. There's a huge group of settlers that came from Britain and all over the place to be in Alberta. and there is the pioneer spirit. They're mixed with, as this article points out, an American spirit. Yeah, that's a hard-fought ethos, too. They had to go through a lot to get to that level of don't fuck with me. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And I think that that's something that you have to earn. It's not something you can say pretty pleased to the master for. And they fought and bled over, you know, a war for independence, then a civil war on top of that. And, like, fighting and dying for your beliefs is so deeply ingrained in the American ethos. even to today, you can go down to any state you want, the most liberal state that you want down there and talk to the most liberal person,

they will still say that they'll die for their beliefs. And you'll believe it too, because they are, they stand their ground. And that's something you don't find everywhere else. It's a fascinating part of the experiences I've had down over the last few years, because I never really went to the states much before we started moving around back in 2021. And since then, it's, it's become very obvious, difference in temperature and the difference in flavor and sentiments between this invisible line that we've drawn across a particular parallel and I wish that

there was more of that ethos up here in Canada but maybe it's something again we've got to work for ourselves it's like it's like gaining wisdom right you can read it in a book but until you learn from your own experience are you actually going to apply it well I mean the the military guys I have on would tell me it's only you know less than a hundred years ago that the allies, the generals, the leadership, loved having Canadian troops because they were a bit crazy and they were tough. And they went and did things that most couldn't do. And so, you know, we were mine, like, you know, we just had for the kids' sake last week.

And we had our meeting. And Dustin's speech was basically, we're descendants, you know, not that long ago within our memory, people who came here and had struggle and survive and you know whether you're talking war whether you're talking hockey there's a ton of kids make the n-h-l from farming western family types because they worked hard they were strong they knew how to be mean and kind all at the same time i you know like a um the warrior in the garden type thought process you being uh you know jiu jitzy you know all about that and that's all just sitting there you know the narrative tells us were these nice people and then we We, you know, we can't stand up for our values.

I say bullshit. It's just, you know, you got to get comfortable with that. And for too long, we haven't had to stand for much. We've been, you know, watching the Oilers play. I got nothing against the Oilers, you know, or whatever, you know, I watched a meme from China of the Americans, right, of them taking back the factories. The factories. And it's all these, like, 400-pound guys sitting there working in kind of the sweatshops idea.

And I'm like, well, that's a generation. And it's not a terrible meme, right? Like, I mean, in Canada, you know, you want to be strong and free. Well, you got to get, you got to put your government in place in order to do that. Like, the government doesn't have what we want for our best interests at all. Like the people running this country right now, I've just started calling them the liberal mafia. Yeah. They don't care about the consequences of their actions because there is none.

Yeah, there's none. So they just, they're just pilfering us. And, and then they're, they're, they're, they're. talking about all these high values of treating people with respect meanwhile they don't and they're they're trying to say that you know like all these people need to be equal meanwhile they don't they don't do that in their life um you know they they they're uh taking one of the most simple things in biology and making it like you can be anything which is insane you know you got you got made you got free drugs like it just goes on and on and on we got free health care no we don't like come on folks do a little digging

I'm not talking to my audience because they're brilliant. But, you know, like the free health care, as Tristan Hopper writes in his book, you know, it's the most expensive free health care in the world. Not only is inexpensive, you get almost nothing for it. And I'm not, again, attacking nurses and doctors out there. They're hardworking and doing the best they can under AHS rule. But try to go get some sort of tests done. Go and get it ordered by your doctor.

Let's say, here's an example. I've got a friend or a friend of a friend who, needed a cancer screening, cancer screening for something that her family doctor says, we think you may have cancer in your organ. We're going to need to get you in for this diagnostic to determine whether or not you have cancer. 13 months. She's on the waiting list before she can even have the diagnostic test done. Tell me about your free health care. Because if you were to pay $500 in a private clinic, you could have it today. But no, we're going to wait 13 months. for what might be a metastatic cancer.

Cool. That's what we're paying for, hey? That's our free healthcare. It's such a joke when you actually try to use it. I've had this happen too. I blew my knee in a tournament, actually in Saskatchewan, the only tournament I ever did in Saskatchew,

it didn't turn out well for me. Good memories. Yeah, I had to drive back in a standard from like Regina. Thank God all the roads are just straight and I didn't have to shift much because it was my clutch leg. But I blew it.

We were talking to Keith Rutherford before this. It was my LCL. I popped my LCL really bad on that particular occasion. You could hear it two mats away. It was like a hammer hitting a block of wood just, pow, and blew my knee. So I get back to Alberta. I'm like, man, this is stiff, this sucks. It's all swollen and colored. I got to find out what type of damage I got here because there's three different degrees of tear you can have on your ligaments. You can have a first second or third. And if it's, you know, I think the third is the worst one. That's a full separation. And now I need

surgery, you know, and I need to know if it's first degree, that's good. It can heal on its own, especially the LCL, it gets the most blood flow so it can actually heal on its own. But I got to know, so I know how to treat it, so I know how to rehab it, so I know if I need to have surgery or not. So I go into the doctor and he does a couple tests, like, yeah, okay, there's something wrong with your knee. What we're going to do is we're going to schedule a test. Okay, 16 months.

I'm like, 16 months to find out if my ligament is detached? What am I supposed to do in the 16 months? I'm a welder at this point still. I'm going to work and putting on my steel-toed boots for 16 months to find out if my knee is missing a ligament connection. Nonetheless, I'm teaching and training jiu-jitsu at the same time five times a week. What am I supposed to do about this? And it's like, well, it's really not my problem.

You know what I did? $500, went to a private clinic, had it the next day. And thank God he was only like the, whatever, first degree is the least amount of tear. So it's like, okay, at least I know that this will heal on its own all well and good. But again, if it was, okay, so let's say that I didn't know about that or didn't have the money for it or whatever and I didn't get the diagnostic. I waited 16 months, but don't worry, you're on, you're on like a backup list.

Maybe somebody drops up. When I tore my meniscus, by the time I got in to have it, like, to have the scan on it. Imaged. Yeah. And then get to physio, by the time I got to physio and had the image and then to physio,

she's like, so what are you been doing on this? And I'm like, well, I don't know, I've been stretching it. And, you know, I've been doing these different things. and she's like, well, I would have said you need surgery, but surgery is only going to get it back to where you have it right now. So you're actually, by getting surgery, you're going to actually put yourself behind schedule.

So she's like, don't do that. And so, you know, I just come back to, you know, it sucks that I, you know, it's like you don't want to, I don't think any of us want to hear the frogs and boiling water thing. But what's interesting about you and others is you leave. And then you come back and you sit around and you look around you. Like, this is strange. This is, I can't believe you live in this world, you know, all the time. And when you're living in it, you know, maybe it's two degrees over here.

Or maybe it's two degrees every single day. I actually don't know. But, you know, you walk outside, sunshine, and it's not so bad. I haven't been shot at, you know? Like, I don't know. I'm being a bit of a jackass, but you know what I mean? And yet, you know, if you leave this place for a year and come back, you're like, what is going on here? And, like, you know, you just didn't, just didn't like, it's like little things, you know?

like the grocery bill simple like when mel first moved here when i moved first moved back 2012 you can fill a cart a cart full and probably not pay as much as we're paying now and then you go the the the weights the weights have always been there if you go to emerge right but since my third child was born so 2019 somewhere in there we've never had a family we've it's almost been imposterous to get a family doctor. Yeah. Impossible. So you're like, you know, and now Mel's got in with somebody, but I still don't have a family

doctor, you know, so like, it's like, I don't know, right? And we keep all trying to find these workarounds. It's not so bad. It's not so bad, right? I get a text. I guarantee if I look at my phone right now, I've had one text asking for Dr. William Macchus because somebody has cancer. This happens every single day.

Every single day I get a text, and people are desperate and they want his contact because they want to find a way and they can't get into anything in Canada. Yeah. And so that's one of the things. You know, it's like the homeless thing, you know, or the drugs or whatever, you know, it's like, is having homeless on your streets a bad thing? Well, it's probably always going to be there. But, you know, like Lloyd, you know, was it 250, was 175? I don't know. It's most, I think Lloyd's had in modern memory. I don't remember, you know, you drive around the city right now. And you're going to see some odd thing. You know, I go like just circumstantial. Mel and I would go to a movie. Love going to the movies. Not so much anymore.

I find myself going on. All you see is the propaganda. All you see is the propaganda. It's so hard to watch some stuff. But we go for supper. We got a little spot we like to go. And then we go for a walk around downtown Lloyd and then go to the movie. This is a year ago.

So this is how long it's been since me and her went to a movie just the two of us. And it was the last time that I, like, we're talking like 6 o'clock and Lloyd Minster on like a Thursday. Wednesday, it was middle of week. And there, it was eerie. There was like four homeless dudes. Two of them are high as a kite screaming their heads off. And you're like, what is going? I actually felt a little bit, not nervous, like, I can handle myself.

But like, with my wife, this is strange. Yeah, you shouldn't have to feel that, right? These are all things that are just percolating. No different in this conversation about Alberta Independence Separation, 51st State, you know, take your pick on which one you like. it's just you look at it and go all these things are happening simultaneously and we're all going on this is not that bad

it's not that bad you know and yet more and more people are leaving more and more and more people if carne gets in are out the door and you're just going to see more and more neighbors out the door because we're heading for you know heard it in a conversation yesterday it's like we're heading for communism if we aren't already

in communism right we're in this weird world where you know like we've been in this weird world for a long time you know like has it been since 2015? You know? Like I'm sure I got some people listening. It's been a lot longer than I give it credit for.

I always say 2021, because that's when I first started talking openly about it and then saw the backlash and some of the hope that came from doing both things, you know, simultaneously. Yeah, some people would say it was from the first Trudeau, you know, back in the 70s. That was a big sea change then

when it came to progressive ideology that sort of infected Canadian sensibility and politics. But, I mean, obviously, the number one thing you can do is just take care of yourself. I always have to remind people of that on my show because I get really, I don't know, really black pill sometimes with some of these things. It's too easy, right? Because it's very easy to see the problems and it's very hard to see the solutions. On top of that, most of the solutions aren't even going to come from you.

So you feel kind of impotent trying to just struggle through the effects of it. Like, for example, the other day, my wife told me to go pick up a 4 liter of milk and cream, coffee cream. All right, so I go to the grocery store. Now, I haven't gotten a 4 liter of milk and 1 liter of coffee cream in Canada for six months, but I'm pretty sure the last time I was here it wasn't $14. I could not believe how much money that was. I'm like, what is a shopping cart at Costco going to cost me? You know, this is kind of wild, and it feels like it's accelerating,

which is, it tends to be the way things go, right? Everything is great until it's not, and it happens fast. And I think that the real barometer is going to be, we were talking before the show about this, I think it's an economic model, but it's more of like a demographic model called hop, HOP, it stands for human osmotic pressure. And the idea is think of like closed systems. So, I mean, a balloon or a cell of some sort where you've got a membrane or a border. And the balloon is probably the best example because you can take a balloon that's a closed system. There's air on the inside that can't get out. if you were to push on that balloon in any particular spot, it moves outwards from the pressure.

Now, the idea of human osmotic pressure is in a human system, so say a country, you put pressure on the people, whether it is economic pressure, or is famine, whether it's war, all of the typical historic reasons why people and populations get under pressure, what they're going to do almost automatically, almost without them having to think about it, is they're going to flee from the pressure. and what that looks like in a country sense is you're going to get people exfiltrating out. They're going to be expats. They're going to have a bunch of people. Because what happens when you have too much pressure in one system is you're going to have negative pressure

and other systems that attract that excess pressure. For example, we were talking about Japan before this because there's major population decline in Japan. We could go on and on about why that probably is. But nonetheless, they've got a replacement value on average just. above or just under the one right now, and it's supposed to be 2.1, to be able to replace your generation into the next generation. Everybody needs to produce, you know, eight child per person kind of thing. They're producing average one per two people, which is, of course, going to half

their population, give it time, give it time, give it time. And they've got a real estate issue right now called Akias. It's one of those things, sorry, it's one of those things when you talk about replacement population, right? And you do the, it's like one of those things, it takes so long to get there, and then one day it's just there. Yes. And you're like, ah, crap, right?

And then you're, no, now explain, explain the housing. Well, Japan's trying to do a whole lot of things to try to mitigate this right now. And like, good on them, they're actually seeing the problem and trying to address it. But I mean, they're doing things like breeding visas. No shit.

They've got something called a breeding visa, where if you've got Japanese genetics, they will let you on a visa come over and impregnate people. Like, they're very serious about trying to repopulate right now in Japan. And just looking at the real estate, they've got these things called Akias, which is Japanese for abandoned home. And right now...

Can you imagine. What are you doing? I got a breeding visa. Where are you going? Japan. Going to see some gauges, baby. Woo! Let's go.

What are you doing there? Well, I just got a... I'm going to have a lot of sex. Yeah. I'm literally going to try and impregnate as many people as I human. The government's all for it. It's governments encouraging it. They would love me to come over and help them with their population crisis.

Well, we can tie these two things together because what an IKEA is, again, is an abandoned home. And as of my last foray into the count, they estimate around 9 million abandoned homes. Abandoned. Nobody lives in them. They're despotic. They're just sitting there with some of these. It's kind of eerie. You go on to these sites that will show you, like the real estate's guide to the inside of what they look like.

Some of them are just, you can see people we're living there. They're books, their boxes, their TV. all come with the house. It's like they just disappeared like the rapture happened off the face of the earth. And they're just millions of these homes that have nobody in it. And so that's negative pressure that's going to bring an influx of people from other countries into it. And for example, they're going to try to tie these two things together. I've come across certain Akias that are zero dollars.

You can get like a two-story house for zero dollars. But you must be a family of at least three kids. They want to make sure that they're not just bringing in people, but they're bringing in people that will repopulate the area. And so some of these will have caveats on it that's like, no, you need to be a young family under this age. And then we'll let you have a free house. Because it's not just the house that's our problem.

The problem is there's nobody to... We need to... Exactly. Can you imagine we all get a community to just go over... Like, think about it. Play out my idea for 10 seconds. And the shout out to Ken again, because, you know, he's always pushing on me with all these different ideas.

But can you imagine if a whole, like, just group... Everybody listens to this podcast. The SMP group of people that tune in every single day. Everybody just went, got a free, well, I mean, assuming a lot of us are a similar age and have kids, and I know that's not exactly true, but let's just play it out that this would work. You know, a whole group of us just went over and got free houses, got to live in them, and even if it cost you, you know, like you were looking at houses like 17 grand Canadian, to get, what did you say?

Ten bedroom house. A ten bedroom house for $17,000. With an ocean view. This is like one block from the ocean. Yeah, like I might just do that just to, you know, have a vacation spot. People are doing this right now. They're turning them into Airbnbs. They'll go over on a visitor visa for three months.

They'll buy and renovate a house. They'll flip it for an Airbnb while they're gone. And then when they want to come visit, they can just stay in their house. Stay in their house. And it's a passive income. I know one guy that does it full time. He's got like six or I think eight houses now. He's got a YouTube channel.

I looked at him. And he shows you how to buy it, how to go through the Japanese real estate people, the people who are good with, what they call Guyjin, which are foreigners, and how to deal with them in English and stuff. And they'll walk you through the process for a couple thousand dollars. And then you can get your $10,000, eight bedroom house and have it renovated for another $5,000, $10,000. Some of them are ready to walk in and even have appliances, like I said, because people are just gone. And what people are doing is turning it into businesses.

They've got like a whole little gambit of Airbnbs that they can get now a business visa to live there permanently in one of their eight houses. It's bonkers, man. There's so much opportunity right there. But to come back to the point, you're going to find when there's high pressure, low-opportunity areas, they're going to migrate without even having to try into low-pressure, large, or open opportunity areas. Japan's just one example. I mean, who's the name of the guy you had in the last cornerstone? McKell Thorough.

Mikkel Thorup. He will give you a laundry list of countries that you can not only move your wealth into, but you can move yourself into for like a fifth of the price in Canada. But the thing about what you're talking about with Japan that makes, you know, because one of the problems I heard with McKell is just how much money it takes.

It takes a lot of money to do some of the things he's talking about. Now, if you got the money, it doesn't matter. When you start throwing around $17,000 for a 10-bedroom house and it's ocean front. I'll show you some pages after this that will blow your mind. You're like, that doesn't make any sense, right? You're like, I can, make it. I don't have that type of money sitting around, but I don't feel stupid not to do it, right?

Take a loan out for that. Yeah, don't kidding, right? I mean, in a month's time, you know, 17,000 Canadian, I mean, isn't worth a whole lot anyways. Yeah, yeah, you can find this stuff. And, like, I would encourage people to do their own research on Akias. Everything's a mixed bag. You're going to find some that are dilapidated that aren't worth buying, but you're going to find some gems in there, too. And, like, I know people personally who have done this and gone through it as Canadians

and now have a house in Japan, and they're figuring out ways to get over there. And I just think of it like 50, 60 years in the future from now what that country is going to look like. It's kind of like bittersweet to me, to be honest, because Japan, as opposed to most countries around the world, is one of the most unique and homogenous cultures in general. Just their language.

I've been trying to learn their language for the last six to seven months now. Very difficult language to learn from a Westerners point of view because... Don't you just think? I don't know why I'm whole. apologies for cutting you off because I'm like I find it very interesting but I look at I look at your story and don't you just thank the big guy putting COVID on you and like having to make this choice and have everybody didn't every day been rainbow and sunshines no but like you look at what you've done since 2021 you left the country took your family and to where you are now and are there

pressures on you are you know are you sitting on you know scrooge mctuck sitting on his his pile of gold maybe uh you know i don't mean i don't know i got one piece of silver for sure there you go there you go um but you know you look at your story of where you are and i don't know where it goes you know the fact you've written three books now and uh people should get where can they get this i'm gonna get it yet i'm gonna give you a pre sale for the digital they won't let me do pre sales for the physical. You have to get that on April 30th. Are you bringing it to the Cornerstone Forum? Would you like me to? You've got a booth?

We can make something work. Certainly. I would love a booth. I'll bring some books to a booth. There you go. If you're coming to the Cornerstone Forum, you can come talk to Drew. There you go. Sorry. I just... So, yeah, I mean, who could have predicted what the last four years would have been like? Well, I mean, you know, like, you look at it and... I've got to be careful how he say this, but, you know, as I go along, this point, this Podcast wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for COVID.

Maybe I eventually get to talk about things. Look at the picture beside you. Right. You know what I mean? That's the spirit of this podcast now. That wasn't going to come from a hockey podcast. No. Well, so I go like, the further I get away from COVID, the more thankful I am for COVID.

Like, that's a really weird thing to say. Yeah, it feels dirty to say it, but it's also true. Well, I mean, that's how I meet you. It's how I meet like, you know, a huge chunk of the audience now all came through dark times. And so, like, you know, whatever times are ahead of us, you know, like, I welcome it. Not that I welcome disaster. I do not want that whatsoever. It's just like, yeah, Pierre gets in, Carney gets in, whoopty do you do?

We're going to be having the same conversations and trying to figure out the way to best navigate whatever is put in front of us. And I just hope we find some safe harbors along the way so that the journey is, you know, still got to be done, but you can have some enjoyable times and enjoy the company and maybe a view or two and, you know, some sunny days and all the, all the things, right? Like, it's exciting at the very least. You know, it's almost like we're living that, that old Chinese adage of may you live in interesting times. This last six months, I got to go down to the states before one of the most important elections in American history happened. I got to watch it from Texas. I got to watch the inauguration from Texas, and now I get to come up to Canada to watch one of the most

consequential elections of Canadian history. Front seat. I get to vote in this one. There may even be a referendum vote this year if you're listening to the APP. Like, what a fascinating time to live in. Ever tell you about the first time? Well, second time. But like the, it's like, okay, we're going to do this when I was praying, what I said to God. Did I ever tell you this? I don't know, maybe. Because you talk about living in interesting times. I was sitting there I was praying and I was like all right

I'm willing to do you know forgive me because I'm like for the people not watching now I'm kind of closed my eye kind of looking up at the sky going you know

oh yeah let's do this but can we just please not make it boring I don't know why I said that I wanted an adventure and in my brain at that time

I thought you know Christianity's gonna be pretty dull you know it's gonna be and you know it's such a silly thing to do you know And you go, we live in interesting times.

Oh, yeah. Following Jesus Christ is not going to be dull folks at all. And I look at the world. And it's like there's going to be careful what you wish for, careful what you ask for, because you just might get it. And it's like, we're living in some interesting times right now. I wonder when it's all over, whatever the afterlife is going to look like, what we're going to look at this objectively from.

If we can look back objectively on our own existence, we're probably going to look at ourselves like fools. How could you not have seen how obvious this path that you ended up zigzagging down would lead towards? But while you're in the middle of it, I mean, the future is always a mystery. You can make your two year, five year, 10 year plans if you want. It's, you know, the plans of mice and man, you know, you want to amuse God, tell them your plans kind of thing. But meanwhile, if you were to look back at the last year, two years, five years, 10 years, you could be like, I see it. I see it and I understand objectively looking back why I had to make that choice to end up where I was.

I never wanted to. I ended up doing it and thank God that I did. I have to send a text. I just recalled, I'm like, it's closing in on the time. I have to send a text, which is really weird. That might be the first time I've ever said that, folks. But I'm like, I just realized I hadn't talked to the wife. And I'm like, uh-oh, I'm in trouble. Got the radar going off. You've been married long enough to have the radar. Yeah. Let's talk back to this. Your book, you said it, but this is big news.

I mean, what's the story? I'm bouncing on you, but I'm like, I want to make sure we give this the light. It deserves. And for people coming to the Cornerstone Forum, Drew's going to be there. He is going to have a booth. And he is going to be selling some books.

I mean, wanted all three of them if you want, right? Yeah, yeah, I can bring in all three of the first two treatises. I would love nothing more than to help support what you've been doing. Cool. Yeah, so about the sort of premise to the storyline here, if you liked dystopian stories like Hunger Games or if you're into anime, actually what inspired this particular story is an anime called Attack on Titan.

In my opinion, one of the greatest stories written in our time. It's a shame that most people won't watch because they don't watch cartoons. It is one of the most intricate, well-written storylines I've ever experienced. I've watched it twice through the series and probably go watch the third. I mean, you can find it all over the place.

There's anime streaming sites, one's crunchy roll, there's a few other ones. I can send you some links anyways. You can find it. It's about 92 episodes of, you know, 20-minute episodes. But the guy who wrote it, Hajime Isiyama? Is he Japanese?

You think? Yeah, a little bit. brilliant storywriter. So is that some of your fascination with Japan? The martial arts? The martial arts primarily. Yeah. Partly, my daughter is the one that's more into manga and anime.

She's a phenomenal artist. To me, when I think of anime, I'm just like, I don't know. They're kind of weird-looking cartoons. Well, here's the thing is if you were raised in North America, cartoons are what you watched at Saturday morning when you're six years old. If you were raised in Japan, anime is not that. Anime has very mature adult themes to it.

Now, some of them are adult. I wouldn't suggest checking those ones out. But I mean, like, what you would expect from human stories like C.S. Lewis and J.R. Tolkien and-R.R. Tolkien and... Are done in anime. Orwell. And, like, you'll have just as deep conversations and storylines and, like, bring you to rage and tears over some of these things.

So go back to this attack on Titan. That's basically... It's very much like that. And I wanted to... In fact, there's so much inspiration. I put a forward, and it's not in this book because it's the beta, but I put a forward. It's on the one you sent me because that's how I know the title. Remember you asked if I started reading it?

I'm like, oh, I started reading it. But me and computer screens, I said this to Tristan Hopper again just this past week. There's something about trying to read something on a screen, my eyes, me, I don't know. I don't like it at all. Anyways. Yeah. The way that Izzyama wrote that particular story, it's kind of become a joke in the fandom that he wrote it backwards. He started with the finish and wrote it back to the beginning because it moves in a

perfect circle where if you think about a timeline of a storyline like leaving the hobbit going to mortar and coming back or whatever, it's sort of a linear thing or some some storyline zigzag and bring you circuitously back to, you know, your completion. The joke is with Izayama, it's basically like 3,000 cords tied into a perfect Celtic knot that's circular in every direction. Everything is a plot point and everything has an Easter egg, and it all makes sense by the end, but it makes no sense until you get there. And I wanted to build a story that was like that. So this is going to be the first in a four-book series

that is going to start off with the smallest possible circle that is going to give you a lens into what the universe is, where you're starting with a slave race called the Thutons that are trapped sort of like Hunger Game style under a dominant race called the Rayans. And they both have their... sorted histories of what led to that and some of it is true and some of it is faults and it will go back and forth depending on your perspective as you go. But then by the second book, we're going to

expand that circle to show even more. So this first book is from the perspective of the slave race from the Thutons. And in the second book, we're going to do the exact same chronology, the exact same timeline from the Rayens perspective. So you're going to get to see the exact same story played out from absolute diametric viewpoints, which are going to flip who the hero and who the villain is both ways, because the obvious villain in the first book is going to be the hero in the second book, and you're going to have to play off of what that means morally, because you'll recognize that some of the choices that the heroes in this book make are actually morally atrocious, but it seemed like the right choice because they were doing it to the bad guy.

And so we're going to have like these very deep and uncomfortable trolley problem scenarios where it leads good people to do bad things, but they were doing it for the right reasons, right? Truman dropped the bomb for the right reasons. We'll tell that to the Japanese in Hiroshima. You know what I mean? You change the perspective on a story and it's going to give you a whole different semblance. And that's just the first two books. And then after that, we're going to go into the third book. Now, I haven't talked about this much publicly, but I'll give sort of a view, a 30,000 foot view down of the total storyline. The first book is called fractures in love. Love is going to have to do with the Thuton race.

It's ingrained into their culture with their God, Grom, who is the God of Love. In the second book, it's going to be fractures in peace, which is from the Rayens perspective, because their God, soul is the God of peace. And so from the God of Love or the God of Peace, you're going to be led into a dichotomy that I'm going to actually, I've begun writing into the second book that one of the priests is going to make, I want to give you actually, I'm giving this to all my friends, this philosophical thought experiment. If Sean Newman, you had a choice to you could either serve a cruel angel or a loving demon, who would you choose? Now, it's not something you can answer right away.

You're going to have to mull over that for a while because your answer to that is going to set you on one of these two tracks, either the Thuton or the Rayan track. And what you're going to find is there are some significant ups and downs to both solutions. Are you going to serve the cruel angel or the loving demon. And it's going to reflect in both of their societies and how they look at the world, how their choice is always the right one and the holy one and the proper one and everybody else is the evil bad guy. And meanwhile, you're seeing just people put into different perspectives. And I want to do this to try to explore human morality, to try to explore the myopic view we have from certain perspectives. Everybody has a perspective. But by having a perspective, but by having a

perspective, it precludes somebody else's. And so if you were to put yourself in their shoes, it actually widens. You know, me and you were talking about getting around in the world to feel the different experiences of other places to expand our own horizons. Well, that's a very real thing, and you can't do it without putting yourself into other perspectives. So I'm forcing the reader to put themselves into uncomfortable perspectives and have to realize that maybe there was some choices that weren't as bad or were worse than I thought they were when I was first reading them. And then the third book is going to go back in time, 3,000 years and talk about the inception of these two races and what their history's thought happened compared to what actually happened. And that one's called fractures in truth.

And then the final one that's going to tie everything together is going to go forward in the future into like a technocratic future of sci-fi, like 250 years in the future, where we're going to have like cutting-edge science and things are going to get a little bit more dystopian in the technocratic sense, sort of like the matriarch. or something to that effect, and it's called fractures in time. And that will finally resolve a lot of the opening, burning questions that are left in the first three books. And should, by the end of it, make you really want to go back to the first book and read it through and be like, that's why that happened to make this for that reason, for that guy, for that person, for that, you know, event. And I, this is my, my passion right now is to make a very well-constructed interwoven,

singular all-inclusive storyline that can just be a stand-alone. I have really cool friends. I mean, I got the super coolest. I got a great audience. So many interesting human beings. I'm like, this is just, I'm excited for you. I, like, when you first told me this idea, I'm like, I just love a good thought or thought,

process of like fiction. I don't know what it is about fiction, but your mind can take you to somewhere else. We all, well, I don't know, a lot of us read 1984 for the first time in COVID. That was like a cold, you need the cold shower after that. He's like, this is, this is heavy. And, you know, as a kid, I read Lord of the Rings, I read, you know, The Hunger Games. There's just something about it is very enjoyable. And if the characters are constructed the proper way or I don't even know the proper way, just in a way that's conducive to imagination, just like sparking, you know, I think of just some of the greatest books I've ever read where you're just like, wow, that character was, oh, that was, oh. And I don't know, you know, I say this every time you come back, you know,

because we usually do this, we usually do it twice a year, I would say, but this one's always special because it's a year since we've seen each other, roughly, and you're not just sitting on your hands, not working on things, right? Every time you come back, you got some new idea. Yeah, I can't help myself. This is interesting. And I hear the idea. I hear the thought process.

And like, there's been different movies where they do this, right? It takes it from one perspective. Then they give the other perspective. And at the end, they try and tie it in a nice bow. And, you know, like, it's really interesting. One of them is Quentin Tarantino really does an interesting job of trying to bring in the different perspectives of the different people in his stories. And I'm sure I'm missing like four or five. other great cinematographers, I think, would be probably learned.

I don't know. It doesn't matter. Directors. Directors, writers, yeah. That do this? I find the idea fascinating. I don't know. I'm like, you've got...

Well, I'm curious to see what you think about after you get through book one. So I'm about two and a half chapters into book two. They're all going to be, by the way, 35 chapters so that the total story arc is 140 chapters, and that's important. The 140? 140 is important. People who know attack on Titan, or at least. know some of the background to that we'll understand.

What's the importance of 140? So this is kind of like a cultural thing over there. It's not a literal thing, but in Japan, the number 140 represents freedom. And iconically, Izayama ended his series at 139. So I couldn't quite reach freedom. I'm going to do mine in 140 chapters because it's going to redefine freedom by the end. That's a thought. isn't it? You know, like, people that haven't seen the new studio, okay? So you've got to see

where it's kind of at. And I've never built anything before. So I have my idea of what I want it to be and, you know, like I can see where it's going and certain people can see where it was going from the beginning and others just can't see anything, right? And when I watch you talk about these things, I'm like, oh man, it's super cool to just like, you've put a lot of thought into how you want to do this, right? And for somebody who's been through the ringer that you have and put a ton of, you know, a lot of people wondered, you know, what's Drew doing with this podcast? Where's that going? Why? You know, and all these different things. There's a lot of things left out to the universe to just for people to stew on if you would. And when I hear you talk about this book and what you're doing

with, I'm like, man, this is, I find it fascinating. I wish you the absolute best in life. I hope people come and pick up a copy at the cornerstone, right? And get a copy of that. And you'll probably be sitting right beside Tamara Leach because she's going to have her book there too. And then Alex Traynor, I hope, is bringing his books. Alex, if you're listening to this, bring your books. Because, you know, there's all these people doing incredible things.

But this is, you're the first out of the group of people that I know that came through what we came through in Canada. That is putting it into something that really speaks to me. And I look at it. I'm like, I like the cover. I'm just like, I just can't wait to, you know, like, I'm like, oh. You know, like when I'm, sorry, I'm rambling. But like when I came into Christianity, I stumbled into what a bunch of Canadians already know about.

And that was this present darkness, Frank Peretti. And I was like, I had no idea who this was. It was like, virgin eyes, seen this book that I thought it was going to be a biography. And I thought in my brain, I'd heard the story of Frank Peretti from somebody. can quite put it together and Seth Booms laugh and if he's listening to this because he'd been seating it to me and it's this old book

ha ha this is what I like about a bookshelf behind me now there you go look it I just oh it is rickety is falling apart it literally fell apart it's it's falling apart it's uh it's um

Marion Morgan please return to Marion Morgan whoever that is maybe she's passed away I don't know Marion she never got her book yep and it's got both books in one this present darkness and piercing the darkness It's a two and one. I never seen that.

They call that an omnibus. I'm starting to learn the terms. And this book, oh, man, it's just, you know, it's exactly what I needed at the exact moment in time when I needed something like that. And it's, what is it? It's Frank Paredes' version of what you're doing. Yeah. Right? On Christianity.

It is, yeah. Like when I hear your idea, I'm like, oh, this is, I can't explain to you how much this is up my alley. It's right up my alley. And I'm glad you brought this because I tried doing it on the computer and I'm like, no, this isn't going to work. And I stopped. Because I'm just like, I stare at a screen,

I'm on a screen all the time, right? This is what I do when I interview people and they're not in studio, which I'm trying really hard to get more in studio. They're going to want to come to the new studio. That's right. Oh, everybody I talk to about it, they're just like, I can't wait to tell.

It's phenomenal. Well, I stared at a screen all in time and my eyes just want it no more. I just don't want it. I want the feel. I want the sound. I want the smell. and you're now in the realm of how my brain really takes in information.

Again, that's why it's one of the most important driving factors to push me into the fictional world is because it's something that can, you can separate yourself from the malaise of your daily existence and worrying about somebody named Carney in Ontario and separate yourself into a fictional world that feels real in your mind's eye and you can see things. you know what's really crazy. So the first two books that I wrote, like I said, they felt like they were a faucet that needed to be released of the pressure that was building up. And a lot of the thoughts in there, I don't even know where they came from.

Like if I'm being really honest and sort of esoteric about it, I do not know. Like I hear the term, the muse thrown around in artist circles. You know what that is? Back in Grecian times, they had a form of God. They were goddesses called the Muses. And that's actually in English where we get the term muse, museum. All of those are meant to elicit thought because the muses were these demigods that would bring thought and intelligence and revelation to mortal man from the heavens.

They would bring down the sciences and the arts. So you went to a museum. You went to see what the muses gave the artists and scientists. And there's something about that idea of thoughts being given through a writer that I've experienced in both those first two books, even though they were treatises that were speaking about specific ideas, but really interestingly while I was writing fiction, because none of this stuff is real. And yet, there's parts of whether it's my subconscious or whether it is a voice of a spirit that wants this story out there, that I'll come across later and be like, I didn't actually consciously

make that decision. It just came to me, like naming characters or something like that. I didn't go through a list of names and what they mean. I just sort of think about, what this character feels like and they kind of feel like their name starts with an F and I'm going to write out like a couple different iterations of what I think it is. And there's a couple instances in here. There's one that I found out after I completed that book, it was done. Like that manuscript you got there was done and I found that. So the city that the Thutans are trapped in the slave race, they're trapped in four prefectures that encircle the city. There's like this ring of prisons essentially on the outside that they're, that's where they live.

then they go into the city as the slaves to do all of the tasks for the day for the Rayans. And I called these four prefectures, the four NIAs, there's South Nye, North, Nye, East Nye, West Nye. And your protagonist is from South Nye. And it's in the first line on the book, Sun rises over South Nye Prefecture of the condemned. And I find out afterwards, because I'm learning Japanese, that one of the kanji I'm learning right now in the Onyomi reading, which is the Chinese original reading for the word inside is nai. I didn't know that. So the term for these Thuton prisons that they're trapped in means inside.

The character that I wrote as a love interest into the second book, I wrote Suki, because I don't know, I've got a lot of Japanese on my brain this time around. And it turns out that Suki means to like or to love. I had no idea. There's a whole bunch of these things, like the prison, the particular, cell block they're trapped in is call 19 that came to me without ever having to think about it and later like chapters in i was like kind of sounds like covid 19 they're trapped in call 19 like where did this stuff come from it's so strange that i can't really even take credit for half of it which is a strange

thing to say as the author it's just like i have no idea where it goes for you but you the more you talk about it the more interested i've become just because as i keep saying it's like literally the way i i like to divulge the way i like to intake um information right like i all i do all week long you know is is talk to people and lots of it is heavy it's it's emotionally taxing i almost want to cry right now thinking about it it's just like man alive i have days where i get tired and i'm just like i'm mentally exhausted and i look at things like this and i'm like i know it's going to have a tough story in there or, you know, different parts. Yeah, it's got some, it's got some scenes in there my editor cried about.

She's like, you made me cry again in chapter 27. But it's funny, like, to me, I want to, I want that. I look forward to that, you know, like when I first watched, because I didn't know who C.S. Lewis was. You know, once again, that's this journey, you know. You talk about the picture behind my shoulder. That's that journey. C.S. Lewis was not anywhere near my life.

And then, you know, certainly, I, I knew the story of the line of which the wardrobe, right, Narnia and everything there, but I hadn't put two and two together. And now I watch those movies with the kids. And I'm like, like, how is, you know, if you make a movie about Jesus, not allowed to, you know, Hollywood kind of shuns you.

Make a movie about a lion who pretty much is the savior. And like, I'm like, and everything they try and do to them that, you know, has repercussions similar to, similar to the Bible. And I'm like, anyone else getting this? I mean, and I know Christians are laughing at me right now, but like I'm sitting there watching with the kids

and I'm like, this is wild. And you're doing your version of it in your own form. I know, I'm excited about it. You know, I'm probably just going to, oh, you're right. Interview over, get the hell out of here. Yeah, crack into it tonight. Yeah, shoot me questions as you start reading through it. I had one of my friends and former co-hosts on my show,

Matt Enz be one of the first initial readers on it. And what do you think? Well, first of all, he's an avid reader of fantasy. He was in the middle of a 12. Well, and podcast listeners will remember Matt Enz. He's been on the show. That's probably a year ago now. Him and his wife lived down in Texas.

That's right. Yep. Him and Whitney, they're great people. I met them again when we were down in Texas. Just phenomenal human beings. You know, Canadians that fled and are absolutely killing it down there with his business, helping men keep their marriages together. It's a phenomenal work.

I got a ton of time for. Yeah, he's doing awesome work. But he was the one, again, that introduced me to Young, which a lot of those ideas will resonate with people that recognize that. But anyways, when he read it, he was in the middle of reading a 12,000 word, or sorry, 12,000 page fantasy novel by one of the biggest fantasy novelists out there. I don't even know the guy, but he's like,

this is one of the most popular books out there. Once I'm done this series, I think it's called Wheel of Time or something like that. I know it yeah okay It's in that series anyways I haven't read it but I know I know the series So it's like cream of the crop And he gets into my book and he's like I gotta tell you dude I just came from like the

The leading edge of fantasy writers right now And this is right on par Like it feels like it's not out of place I'm like that's maybe the best compliment I could have possibly got Because I'm not the most giant intaker Of fantasy novels right now Oh I and you know

Here's my last gush on on Drew Weatherhead folks but like you know like we have a ton of time for you on this side because you came through what we all lived and you come from an area where you know me and you had this discussion once upon a time right do you stay or do you go where do you where do you know where do you fall in that that that logic that thought process everything else and like when you know when you come back when you were doing your show every single day and just hammering and just hammering we talked about that too right you know it's just like it's just like a It's really cool to see the growth in who you are and where things are.

And so, like, I have a ton of, you know, like, think about it. It's your third book. Like, you go read Jordan Peterson's first book, Maps and Meeting. That's a hard read, man. I read it. The Book Club read it. That was a hard book. It's like a 60-hour audiobook.

It is difficult. And at times I'm like, I don't even know if I got it. Like, I don't know what my brain took out of me. And then all of a sudden, his next book, 12 rules for life. Oh my God. I couldn't put it down. And I look at this book.

It's your third one. This isn't your, this isn't your, sure, it's first foray into fiction. But it's your third one. And I look at Ayn Rand. You know, these names are, I think are giants, you know, like A&Rand, you know, Atlas shrugged. And I, like, that's a long freaking book. And yet, like, it just kept going and going. And it kept reminding me of where we're at in society.

I was like, this, this is so painful. And it gave me the thought of why is it that people writing about the atrocities they'd come through go to fiction? It's like, well, Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged transcends time and transcends cultures. Yeah. Because albeit it's talking about at that point in Atlas Shrugged, American culture, like you could, like the themes going on there, we're living in Atlas Shrugged right now in Canada, just in a different. version of it and it obviously a different time and then you know if you read that then then people of that and ran will go well did you read fountain head like yes okay I finally went and read fountain head and that's another version of it and and so you just you wonder is fracture is going to be your

atlas shrugged or is it going to be book 18 that becomes you know your atlas shrugged and whether or not it sells millions upon millions I don't know I hope that for you I think that'd be uber cool um but you know i look forward to I'm honored that you would bring me you know mistakes and everything. I think that's super cool. It's got all the typos. It's got some of my original words that the editor thought were a little too flowery. I'm proud of it. I've read it, obviously, I've read it through so many times. Every individual chapter I've probably read through six or seven times plus back and forth to try to, you know, fix continuity errors and stuff like that. But I'm going to be reading the audio book for it over the next couple months too, which is going to be,

I'm going to be able to get it on Audible. Yeah, eventually. I just didn't have the time to do it to to release it with the book. I wanted to get that out there by the end of April, which will be April 30th. I'll have a pre-order link for you that, by the way, if you do like to take it in digitally on your Kindle or on your phone or whatever. Yeah, you're the opposite of me. Yeah, if you're the opposite of Sean,

that'll be your first way that you can pre-order it, and it's only 99 cents for the first week. So you get it in your... 99 cents? Yeah. Oh, sweet. That really helps get the story out, for one. It helps push me up in the algorithm for two,

because, I mean, Amazon's basically another social media. site for authors so you need to get views and reviews and stuff we'll push what we can on this yeah i appreciate that um but i don't i don't know if that is this is going to be my only fictional series but i do know that i was inspired by anime through attack on titan to do this and one of my like pie in the sky dreams is to make this into a like a manga series so like a um what they call those not a comic book um graphic novel graphic novel yeah so basically a graphic novel because i mean some of the scenes in here i've pictured how i would have it drawn out too because there's pretty cool action scenes in there and then eventually into an anime where it gets animated so i

hope that i can actually like take it into the next dimension of reality outside of the the book to the pictures to the animated pictures and maybe you know the end game would have like a a Netflix series or something like that. So that would be like if I was going to put it out there into the universe, anybody out there with any connections or you know, you're a good artist that wants to get an author to, you know, run their ideas through a manga panel. Hit me up because that's sort of the trajectory I'd like to take this series.

Well, it's super cool. I mean, I know I've said that like 15 times, but, you know, like one of the reasons I wanted to take you out to the studio, I don't do that for every guest because I'm like, there's no point until it's done, right? I was so excited to go see that. But like, you know, like this is, to me, I assume it's the studio for me is the book for you. That makes sense?

Like, I want you to see what it's, what it is before it is. Because, you know, hopefully in time you're going to get to experience exactly what it becomes. But it's part of the stepping stones of getting there. And to me, like, you know, getting to this book, I think the audience has got to feel pretty cool too because there's a ton of them that listen to you. And a ton of them listen to every single conversation we've had. and they're seeing the developments as they go. And, you know, it's like an overnight success, and it takes 10 years roughly.

It's like, you think about that. It's not wrong. And one day, you know, could Drew be, you know, going on, I don't know, whatever show you want, whatever panel you want, book tour you want, it's possible. And in that scenario, you know, the audience would like, just take us along for the ride, you know. That'd be freaking cool.

It's just cool that you've, you know, know who knows where the path leads for myself and book um you know as i've told you i've never been a great writer but you know building a studio i'd never built anything out of my brain right where i'm like renovated a house but never from scratch and if i could go back to that year take a time machine i would do it so different i would actually do it how it's it's led into my thought process on building the new studio and building something there's just something special about it on the next blue color roundtable which if anyone's waiting we're waiting until we get in the new studio to do that one of the

things we're going to talk about is building something from scratch mm-hmm because there's just something special about it and I assume when you finally get all the words together and then you get it put in this this form right here like that's got to be because you know like to me I see your name on it and I'm like this is super cool because you know it's Fred he's got something like this But for you, it's got to be, like, I assume when I'm trying to spit out, and I'm probably confusing everybody, is the same way I look at the studios, the way you look at the book. Yeah, I mean, I was in the trades for 15 years as a welder, so I finished a lot of projects that I started, and there's no better feeling than finishing a project. It feels so good to stand back and look at like, it's so much better than the thought that was in your head.

It's so much different than the blueprint that was in front of you. when you can look back and you can see it and you can touch it and you can use it it's it's a whole different thing and when i finish the the last bit of that book i mean if there was any chapter i reread the most it was the final chapter which is by far the longest chapter it's it's going to be like a 45 page chapter um i reread that over and over and over because it's so powerfully ended and such a like an assault on your sensibilities my my editor was like like I cannot believe how you ended this. I'm like yep I always knew it was going to end that way this is a dystopian for a reason it's going to take you sideways and don't don't be thrown

off by that either because it's only the first book in force she's like I have no idea how you're going to do a sequel to this I'm like I already do I already am starting to write it I know exactly how it's going to happen and again I'm excited to see your take on and see how you think because I was very very excited and it's it's almost like a catharsis of its own ilk. You can't really explain it until you experience how it feels like there's a relief to it being done and presentable. And it's like I'm all for compliments and pats on the back, but I don't need one of them. You know, it's just, it's so, um, it satisfies in a way that you, you're feeling with the, I'm sure you'll walk into the studio on the very first time

you have your very first guest in this new place and all the lights are on and the smell of the fresh wood and you sit down at the table that you paid for and help to construct with your ideas in reality and you press record on the first there'll be no other feeling like that in your life and that's kind of only happens once it's right and that's very similar to how it felt completing that one yeah it only happens once it's it's you know we're in an uncharted territory and i'm going to tell you why because normally what we do this is the first time since we've started doing this where i'm looking over i'm like we're at two hours Oh, wow. Are we really? Yes, we are. And normally what we would do is we'd do about an hour and 15. We'd take a 10 minute break and then we flip around and go the other way. And the reason we do that is so that you had something to release and I had something to release and it was kind of like, hey, when you're done with this, go listen to the other side. Oh, when you're done with this, that's right. And so it's funny, I'm like, I don't want it to end now because I've been enjoying this conversation. And one of the things I was curious your thoughts on. And you only, you haven't seen.

the video. But me and Ken were talking about this idea of the pain or the struggle of being awake. I don't know how Jung has a way better, more romanticized way of saying it that way.

In your travels, have you had pain with that? Or is it been an enjoyable ride? Or has there been different stages to it and where are you at right now? Definitely there's different stages, but none of them are comfortable.

I mean, you're guaranteed to be ostracized the more or the less homogenous you are with the mean. That means whatever is acceptable in society, the less you are in alignment with that, the more you become unacceptable by default. You become the heterodox, to use a scientific term. You're not the orthodox. That's the accepted views. If you have a heterodoxical view, like, I don't know, COVID vaccines weren't the greatest thing that we ever did to ourselves be expected to be on the fringe of society. You know, that's what they call us the fringe minority, right?

But if it weren't for a podcast like yours and the one that I did, I mean, I get this all a time. I'm sure you do too. If it weren't for that, the atomization of somebody who is stepped outside of the norm is so painful because we are a social person. We're a social creature. We need to have that interaction. And I mean, this will be.

probably sound crueller than I mean it to to the people that I know and I love in my life, but I don't have a lot of friends. And I feel like I've had less friends since I've been speaking out. Can I read a quote to you? This is what stood out from me from the video that Ken sent me. And if people want it, just text me. It's 23 minutes. It's pretty, at times deep. And one of them, one of the things that I wrote down was loneliness does not come from having no people around you, but being unable to communicate the things that seem important. How's Carl Jung? Yeah, I remember that quote.

There's another one from Dostoevsky. He had a similar thing that said, the more intelligent person is the most lonely. So basically, the more you know, the more lonely are going to be because you can't find parity with the people around you. Now, whether that's because you have an IQ of 180 or whether you just have experiences that they have no analog to. And so you can't talk about it. We were talking earlier about being in a room

and not being able to have anything but a shallow conversation because you have to hit that mean of what is acceptable in this particular area. And are you going to be that guy that's going to be the, you know, shit disturber at your company's Christmas party or whatever? Or are you just going to be like, hey, how's the wife? How's the kids? How's the weather?

Cool by. If that's what it's going to be, well, that gets really lonely because you've got burning issues that are, that are dying. to get out. I mean, that's what caused me to do the social disorder to begin with. Like, it was the absolute center of the hurricane of craziness of my entire life. And I was supposed to pretend like everything's okay. Everything's okay. Don't talk about the thing everybody knows is going on. Meanwhile, you've lost your business. You've lost your home. You're in a foreign country.

Your sister's been paralyzed. None of that exists. None of that matters. Just don't talk about it. Carry on. How's the weather? And you can only do that for so long. until you have to basically out yourself as heterodox. And at that point, you're going to come into contact with people that you may not have otherwise, which will have all of their own benefits. But in the meantime, that's not 24 hours at any given day.

And most times it's gonna be you with your thoughts and gonna be the few people that you might be able to bounce them off. Like Ken is a good example for a friend for you for that reason. But most of the time, it's gonna be very lonely. And you're gonna have to wrap rationalize what is the value of that? What is the pro and con and is it worth like this is the problem with I love this character in the matrix one of my favorite characters not because I like them but because of the value of him socially as cipher in the first matrix he just wanted to be

put back in he'd seen enough he can't do it anymore I just I know this steak in front of me it's a bunch of code but when I put it in my mouth and taste that succulent you know he takes a bite And he says, I got to tell you, ignorance is bliss. And some people just want to get plugged back into that matrix because they've seen too much. They're tired. They're sad. They're lonely.

But there's no going back. That red pill is a one-way trip. You've basically given, whether you knew it or not, a bit of a sales pitch on the Cornerstone Forum. You know, this video really shook me at the end. I'm like, oh, that's part of what happens at the Cornerstone Forum. unbeknownst to me I wasn't

I wish I had this idea at the start I just want to talk about things because it's like you know you go one of the things

about not drinking I'm on day January 1 folks what does that put me in I think honored and let's go triple digits

eight good for you I don't know where I'm at it doesn't matter just that you know like when you get

into a conversation you really enjoy what we're doing right now do I need alcohol for it I certainly do not because you're wrestling with another person's brain

and you're talking about things that, you know, on a philosophical level and a bunch of other different levels, I really enjoy. It's like, but then you get into some conversations where you're like, 10 minutes and you're like, I can't just go home, you know? And with alcohol, it changes that paradigm. How so?

Well, because all you need is a piece of, all you need is a drink between the two of you. And all of a sudden, you're sharing something and it just makes everything a little bit funnier or you can just talk about the most absurd things and away you go. It just gives you that ability with a lot of different people.

It doesn't mean you can do it with everyone, but it does allow that. And when you pull that out of the equation, I can still do that with people, not having the beverage in between. Now you can put a can of pop or a bottle of water in between, and for some reason it still works. But these conversations are few and far between.

I have more of them than most because of what I do for a living. But when you're everyday, life, you know, it's funny. You just don't find many people that want to sit down and have a real deep conversation. And now you also have to have the

two plus hours in order to do it because you're going to get into some things and, you know, you've got to wrestle. And yet, at the Cornerstone Forum, all I wanted to do, so I just wanted to bring some people together because I'm like, freak, we got to talk about, you know, at one point Russia, Ukraine, or

you know, the media, or you know, all the different ideas I rattled off and then we put it all into a day. And one of the things that I still can't quantify, I try to explain it, but I do a poor job, is what I see from the stage in the crowd. Because you think, right now,

there is 470, well, I actually don't know, between 470 and 500 people coming to the Cornerstone Forum. The goal is 600 people. I'm going to keep seeding it out there. If you haven't bought your tickets, go hard. Buy them here. Okay? There's only a few days left that you can get.

meals with it so uh you know by the time this airs i think it's going to be less than a week so less than seven days so i don't know what you're waiting for but but go buy a ticket so i look out at the crowd and you see out of these last year was 250 people and about a hundred of them had come in couples or by themselves so that you know pretty isolated lonely like am i going to know anyone that awkwardness everybody's like laughing and having a good time you and and the giddiness like like they were all, nobody's drinking. Like I don't have, after supper, or sorry, at start a supper, the bars open up, but the full day, that doesn't happen.

I don't like, why would you have alcohol where you're listening? No, that doesn't make any sense to me. So all day long, nobody's drinking. And yet everybody's kind of like a little bit giddy, almost like they're high. It's interesting to watch from where I sit. And the more I think about it, it's kind of what you just rattled off, except all these people all coalesce into a group together. get to listen to conversation they want to have by people that they,

you know, maybe they don't know them all, but they're going to, they're going to discuss some things going on. They're not going to stray away from any topic. You know, naysayers may say there's a couple they won't touch. Maybe, I don't know, but I bet you if you ask them about it, they'll probably bring it.

You know, okay, we'll talk about this. But what's really cool is what happens between all these people. Some of them know each other. Some of them have been to all my events and are starting to know each other because of that. Oh, cool. Right? You and Ken have met at an event, right? Yeah.

But others are coming. I got a couple flying in from Toronto, sat on the phone with them for 20 minutes. They were really nervous. And then they heard how many people were coming. They're like, oh, that'll be, oh, okay. Right? Because they expect they're going to be the odd people.

But all the odd people are getting together. It's true. And you look across the table and you start talking, oh, man, this guy's got something to say. Oh. And all of a sudden you see this conversation, just nobody on phones and it just starts to bubble, you know, and off it goes.

And it's like this universe that you want to exist. but in all of our communities it doesn't exist. It's almost impossible to replicate because people are busy, you know, just don't go nefarious, just kids and work and, you know, how hard you push yourself to put food on the table and on and on. And at this event, it's going to be possible.

And it is possible, and you see it play out right in front of you. That's got to be a cool feeling looking from the stage. I hadn't thought of that perspective, but that's how you've seen all of them, right? Obviously, you're the organizer, so you've got to deal with like the nitty gritty and making sure that everybody shows up and you know everything's running on.

You've got your clock up on stage to make sure that they only speak for so long. Oh, believe me, they'll be on time. I'm, I push myself to the limit on this one. Yeah, somebody's got to buy you one of those big long Shepard's hooks to pull them off stage with. But, you know, besides that, getting up there

because you're the MC too. You're sort of keeping things together. Yeah? Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, I've got your fancy jacket with your S&P on the inside. That is going to be there. It's looking good.

You're sharp up there. But then, yeah, I mean, looking out over however many, it's going to be dozens and dozens of tables and chairs and people, saying there are hundreds of people showing up in person. And, you know, every single one of them, like unequivocally is not only a listener, but probably an avid listener to come and get a ticket. So this is like a sampling of your prime audience that's there that you can shake hands with, that you can interact with. And you can walk out there as like, we made it, guys. Like, here you are. Look at us. We all got together.

Unbelievable, we actually pulled this off. That's got to be something of a feeling. Well, which adds into one of my favorite things that I just had come to me, one of my first shows ever did, is to get everybody to stand up. And then we do the, how far did you travel? And this one, you know, I was shocked last year we had, New Jersey, Vermont, Phoenix, somebody driven 28 hours from Ontario and then Vancouver, Winnipeg, you know, all the

and that's not even to mention like McKell Thorpe coming from Panama and Alex Traynor coming from over in Europe and this year we're going to be shocked at how far people have come and part of that's the speakers that has nothing to do with me part of that is certainly to do with me and that always is moving

like it's just it's just like and you're sitting here saying you don't build anything. Give me a break. That takes some serious effort. Maybe it's not a shed. Maybe it's not a building, but try to grab somebody off the street and say, you've got to do this next year. That's not going to be possible. That's the tip of the iceberg. They're not seeing all the work to get to.

You're over 800 coming up on 900 episodes to get to what you can culminate into a live experience like that. That is some serious construction. Now, whether or not that was the end goal, or even like a... Yeah, but a book wasn't the angle. Exactly. I had no idea. But again, I couldn't have taught somebody how to do that

because it happened to me, you know, along the way. And it's funny, I sit here and I don't know if I'm going to do it again in 2026. Really? It's a lot of work. It's a lot of, if you asked myself... Your ticket sales are going to skyrocket after hearing that. This might be the last one. If you asked me before 2024 is a Cornerstone Forum, I probably would have said a similar thing.

Okay. And then, you know, but in fairness, after my event in June of 2023, I did take eight months. And I didn't know what I was going to do. And out of that came the Cornerstone Forum. I sat and stood on my thoughts. Because I am, I don't know about you. I can get running so fast that I don't just stop. Go be by myself.

Like I'm reading about Jesus and, and. How much time he goes and spends meditation, prayer, loan. Like, what are we actually trying to do here? What do we chase? Because at times you can just get caught up in the running around. And then you're like, what am I doing? So, you know, like, I don't mean that as a push on people to buy tickets.

I just, I actually mean, I'm like, you know, like, if I ever thought I'd be in Calgary doing one of these shows, which I told myself, I would never leave Lloyd. I did one in Emmington, I said never again, and here I am. again, so I will never say never. But I don't know what 2026 holds. I think it's a lie to tell you all that I'm going to do this for the next 10 years. I actually don't know.

I don't know, you know, like I watch the world and I see how many conferences there are. I'm like, do I, should I do this? No, like, do I want to just have another conference? Like, is that? That's the wrong question. You never want to compare yourself to the market out there. Like, I hear this all the time from young entrepreneurs. Like, I need an idea that nobody's ever had before.

bullshit. You don't. You need to take an idea that you feel strongly about and go forth and do it, make your own thing because being first to market isn't the only way to start something. Show me a market and I'll show you 10,000 people in it and I bet you at least half of them are making a living. You just got to actually have the drive to do it. So like don't look at, well, there's so many conferences who would want to come to mind or about anything that you're doing. There's so many authors. Why would I want to make a book? That shouldn't be why you're making a book because you want to be the best author. You know, the best author is just the best at it. they probably didn't start with that in mind.

I guarantee you they didn't start with that in mind. In fact, they're probably just as surprised as anyone. They're as far as they are. They just decided to write a story one day and became Harry Potter. You know what I mean? Harry Potter was very good. It was very good. It was very good.

That was a brilliant ending on it, too. You make, valent points. Valent points. When it comes to the podcast, Rain or Shine, I love this. This, I love. Like, and I've had my success at it. And does the success follow for the next 20 years? I have no idea.

But I'm going to keep doing it because I love this. That's the reason to keep doing it. And when it comes to the forum, I love certain parts of it. Like certain parts of it are super cool to watch and witness and everything I just talked about with being on stage and seeing it. I never thought I'd find, I played hockey all my life. Still play hockey. And there's this feeling before a big game.

Like, I try and explain it to my kids because I can see them get nervous before they're in piano right now. So very different experience. Yes, for adjudication where they're going to get, you know, what a big word for a little kid. Oh, and to watch them go through it, I'm just like, that feeling, you're going to hunt, you don't realize yet, you're going to hunt for that feeling. The adrenaline, the unsureness, yeah.

Yeah, but the high, the high of when you get it right, it's just, there's nothing can stop you. And when you get the low of a low, it's like, well, you've got to pick yourself out of that. And you got to, you got to find your way back. And, you know, one of the things, things that for sure I'll try and take a breath at this coming forum and just like take a step back and look at what you've done by just putting your mind and and I got to give a shout

to Silvergold Bull and Bow Valley Credit Union. These two companies saw what I've done and brought it to Calgary. That's why it's there. They pushed hard for me to have it in Calgary. So to Calgary we go and at some point I'm going to because this year is at a hockey arena. Oh no way. Is it actually? Yes. Okay. So I'm working on my speech. I haven't got it finalized yet.

But my idea for when I come out on the stage, and I hate to spoil this, is, you know, I've searched for my next arena. I love the rink. I love that feeling of going out, fresh ice, you step out, the crowd's there. And, you know, the first big hit or you get hit, the crowd goes nuts, they're booing you, all the things. Love it. And I miss it. Never thought I'd find it again. And then I see it.

stepped on stage in 2022 at the first ever SMP presents with Daniel Smith and Andrema Murray and Shane Getson and Dr. Eric Payne and I'm like, oh my God, I found it. I didn't think it makes my hair stand up. I never thought I'd find that again. And here I am in 2025 and I get to have that feeling again on the ice, albeit a little different, but it's in a beautiful arena. Oh, it's absolute gorgeous facility. It's, we're the Olympic athletes train. We're the Calgary Flames Train.

Wow. It's got that big, the ski jump. Oh, okay. It was right there. I mean, it's right there. The hotel overlooks the mountains. I'm like, if I just take a step back and I made zero dollars from this, zero. They're like, got to come to Calgary, overlook the mountains.

My wife's coming with me. She's going to be there and you're going to get all these speakers together. Martin Armstrong, I never, ever thought I'd be able to bring them to Canada. Yeah, that's a big one. And who knows? Maybe it'll be dull and it'll suck. I have no idea. That's my, as people call that, your inner bitch talking right now.

Yeah, don't listen to that. But I go like, I got Martin Armstrong to come to Canada. And I'm like, all these people. And I'm pushing myself, folks. You know, when I hear Drew talk about all these folks, so you were at the last one. Yeah. And I pushed speakers to be done in 13 and a half minutes.

And I kept everything so tight. This time around, instead of having six speakers, we have 13. Ooh. And we have two guests hosts. Tews is going to introduce a few of the people. All right. Like this is going to be either you're going to come out and be like,

what the heck was that? That was amazing. Or you're going to be like, you've got to dial it back on how hard you go. Because I'm pushing the tempo on this. I'm going to push the limits of what can be done in a one-day conference. That's, I'm taking all the lessons I learned from last year and putting it into this one.

Plus it's going to be in one of the, who knows, We'll see if the facility fits the idea. It's one thing I can't, you know, sound quality, different things. But it's in, yeah, it's on the floor of a rink. Listen to you talk about this. You were absolutely going to do one in 2026. Give me a break. Can I give you some unsolicited advice?

That's not actually a question. I'm going to give it to you. Sure. Give me some unsolicited advice. All right. Here, solicited or not. You say that there's some things that you love and some things that you don't love about doing this. actually put them down on paper.

Put them down on paper. What do you love about it? And the things that's like, oh, man, I would not want to do this event at all because of these things. And then focus on the ones that you love and try to find out if there's a way that you can outsource the ones that you hate. Delegate the other ones.

Delegate it. You know, get it off of your plate. Because if that's the only reason that is going to prevent people from a 2026 forum, just don't do those. You know, if it has to be like, you were talking about maybe like dialing back on some of the costs on some of these things you

may maybe overstretched yourself and now you're stressed about certain things you know making getting into the black because you overextended because of the guests coming from different whatever it is you write down the things and be like okay if I were to cut that back by half and half and half and half and now I'm going to amplify and double the things that I like here and here and here you'll be hitting that high like you haven't hit before and forget doing one a year you might do three a year you know like this could be become something real. If you follow, instead of your inner bitch, you follow the mind of the aunt, which is something I put into my first book, is what is the thing that you would most want to do?

The thing that motivates you to get up out of the colony and go forth into the wild world and go explore. And that feeling that you get from the value of the things you most want to do, focus on that. Like use that as your divining rod towards. Because if you aren't actually motivated to go do the thing that you want to do, it becomes something you have to do. And if you're trying to get yourself out of bed for something you have to do, that has a time clock on it. And if you have a choice and you're a sovereign individual, you'd be like, I'm no longer going to do the thing I have to do. I'm going to do the thing I want to do. So just make the thing that you have to do the thing you want to do.

This sounds like old timers advice, you know, make your job, something you love, you never work a day in your life. It's basically what I'm saying. But like literally make a list, you know, take that advice, if you will, and figure out like these are the things I can excise or minimize or offshore or outsource so that it's not. on my plate, I can take a instead of a on the way to this thing that I love to do that everybody loves and is coming from around the country and around the world for.

That's really good advice. There you go. I'll send a bill in the mail. Actually, what I'll do is I'll take a booth from you. I'm not done. Well, Drew Weatherhead is going to be at the forum. Hope we'll see you there too. Drew, any final things?

I mean, we've been rolling for a while. And I got no problem carrying on. No, I'm having fun. is a great conversation. I was looking forward to it for months. I told you from Texas or Florida, one of those ones. My only disappointment is that it wasn't in the new studio because I was, I was really looking forward to, but in saying that, we got to, we got to take, something to look forward to for the next one there. Yeah, we got to take a travel out there and go see some things. Yeah, a lot happens in a few months, so I'm sure it'll be lost to talk about the next time around.

We'll do it from a comfy studio. And if people want to check out that pre-order, I'll make sure Sean has the link down in the show notes. And that will give you again, it's a 99-7. entry to a digital copy. And even if you don't read the digital and you just want to throw 99 cents at me, it really helps me on the Amazon side to get towards that bestseller thing where, you know. And it's 99 cents. It's something you'll never miss. And if I get like 100 people, that'll probably push me pretty far up into the opening day release for April 30th. And if you're waiting for the physical copy like Sean has right here, April 30th, it'll be the first day you can buy it in hard copy, the hardback as well as the... You can have the hardbacks

at Corristen Farm? I don't know. Do you think people like those more than the paperbacks? I would buy a hard copy from you. Okay. What are you going to be selling? What are they worth?

I don't know what a books were. Is it 25? 20 bucks. 20 bucks? Yeah. 20 bucks? 20 bucks? 20 bucks?

I want to make it easy so that people don't need change. Just bring me a green back and I'll trade you for a book. 20 bucks for a hard copy. You bring hard copy. You bring one at least and I'll buy it from you

because I would love, I prefer hard over soft. Look at that. You give me my first sale too. Yeah, yeah. Done. I would gladly do that. Sweet.

All right, so anyways, for the listeners, if you want to check out the digital and just help me with the algorithm for Amazon, that really helps. And otherwise, man, this was a lot of fun, and I look forward to the next one, Sean. Yeah, I appreciate you coming up. Thanks for the silver, by the way. Yeah, well, hey, everybody who comes in the studio, you get a one-ounce silver coin from SGB. So thanks for doing this. My pleasure.