Shaun Newman Podcast - #837 - Meghan Murphy

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

Meghan Murphy is a Canadian writer, journalist, founder of Feminist Current, and host of The Same Drugs podcast. She is known for her critiques of third-wave feminism, the sex industry, gender identity legislation, and issues like censorship and media exploitation of women. We discuss her running for the PPC and having her Canadian bank account frozen. Cornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastSilver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Meg. Murphy, Megan, welcome back. Thanks so much for having me. Glad to be back. Yeah, well, I mean, one of these days, I hope it's under like circumstances where it's like, hey, you've just won a nomination, you're going to be in politics, or you just want a bazillion dollars in the world's all sunshine and rainbows. Instead, not the case this time around either. I don't know. Tell us the story. I want to hear this story because I'm like, A, before you get to the banking debacle, you put your hat in the ring for the PPC.

I was just kind of curious. Like, you're sitting in Mexico. What was it about the PPC? What was it about this election? Walk me through that before we get to everything else. I mean, so I stopped voting in 2015 because I didn't feel like any of the parties represented my interests at all, not even close. I've never voted liberal. I used to be a lifelong, I was a lifelong NDP voter.

and at a certain point I started to realize that I mean my politics were probably changing a bit but at that time I mean they've changed quite a bit since then but at the time you know I had just begun I had been speaking out in defense of women's sex-based rights and challenging gender identity ideology and I decided that I wasn't going to vote for a party that pretended to not to know what a woman was primarily. I was like, I'm not, you know, this is crazy. It's almost like voting to be insulted. You're voting for parties that claim to be, you know, feminist or claim to be invested in women's rights. And meanwhile, all of a sudden, they can't define what the word woman is.

And I was trying to raise the alarm about gender identity ideology and no one was listening. My political representatives weren't listening. These parties weren't listening. It was just, yeah, it was, and it was insanity and I was like I'm not voting for any of these parties and at a certain point the PBC came along and I was like thank God you know this this party has been challenging gender identity ideology unapologetically from the get-go they were you know they were supporting free speech they then later on were the only party to take a stand against the COVID mandates and to support the convoy You know, it's, I genuinely, the PPC platform is a good platform.

I genuinely, I really like Maxine Bernier. I did an event with him last year in Nanaimo and he's a really wonderful guy. I think he's super smart. And again, I like what they stand for. So I had Maxime on my podcast maybe a couple of months ago, maybe a bit less time than that. And just before the interview, I looked up my old writing in Vancouver in East Van. and saw that there was no PPC candidate running in that riding. And I was so, during the podcast, was like, so I noticed there was no PPC candidate in my writing.

Do you think that I should run? And Maxine said, yes, very enthusiastically and seemed really excited about that prospect. And I thought about it a little bit more. He called me the next day. And he was like, you know, I'm serious. I think you should run. And I was like, okay, well, I think maybe I'm serious too. And so I decided to go for it.

I mean, I don't have any delusions about doing well in this election or winning the riding. It's an NDP stronghold that has been for decades. It has been, it's gone to the NDP since I voted. And, you know, but I just, I feel like these are conversations that Canadians really want to have and that really need to be had and they are being suppressed and silenced and ignored and avoided and somebody has to show up

and enforce the conversations and I mean that's something that I've been doing for, you know, a decade now because I'm trying to have these conversations that no one will have, which is of course also why I've been so censored and blacklisted and vilified in Canada.

But it's sort of, you know, this is a way, a way to push those conversations forward. So that's really the aim. Yeah, well, you know, the first time, well, I mean, I think lots of the listeners probably recall you being on Joe Rogan. But, you know, the first time you're ever on here, I was looked it up before we started, right? And it was 2022 October. So, you know, we'd just come out of freezing a bank accounts and, you know, astonishing. McStomperson, the horse, and on and on, it went during the convoy. But we, you know, it felt like maybe brighter days were ahead of us.

And here we said, you know, not quite three years later. But I feel like, I'm like, oh, man, this is like deja vu all over again, you know. You have you back on. And at the time, you know, you were down in Mexico, still in Mexico. But at the time you're down to Mexico, because, you know, there was this moment coming at the end of 2021 where it's like, are you going to be able to leave the country? or you're not going to be able to leave the country, what's going to happen? And, you know, your background on speaking out about things,

there was lots of Canadians that felt it was probably in their best interest to get out of the country before they locked it down and who knows what happens after that. You fast forward and you think, oh, we're doing so great, we're doing, we're doing amazing. And then, you know, I don't know if anybody thinks that, but, you know, I can see that people would start to be under this delusion of, like, well, things are getting back to normal, whatever normal is. is and then, you know, here you go.

We're going to run in politics. You can do PPC thing. Okay, well, that's fine. And yet now they've frozen your bank account over this, I assume, because like when I read your article, the timeline looks almost picture perfect for they realized you were going to run and open up some difficult conversations maybe on stage, you know, under the banner of debates in the area, I would assume, right? We have them here, although our conservative didn't talk in ours.

So that's a different side. Nope. Yeah, I guess walk us through the bank account thing. And then your view from where you sit on Canada right now, because I'm sitting in Alberta. So like, you know, it's just, it's just like, you know, I don't know, was there a day go by folks where something odd doesn't happen in Canada at this point where you're like, really, that's still going on or this happened or, you know, like, it just seems like it never ends. But you have the story. So let's walk me through what happened specifically on this bank account. Yeah, I mean, I can't say for certain if it was politically motivated or not, it just seems

very suspect to me. I mean, I just, the same day that my candidacy was confirmed by Elections Canada, my bank account was frozen. And I sort of found this out by accident. You know, my bank didn't tell me. Nobody called or sent an email or anything like that. I found out accidentally because somebody was trying to transfer. I was trying to get a transfer, and it wouldn't go through.

So I called the bank. I'm like, this transfer won't go through. Weird. And the woman on the phone told me that my bank account was frozen. And I asked why. And she told me that she couldn't give me any information. And I was like, okay, you froze my bank account. You can't give me any information.

I asked them if they could send me something in writing. They refused to do that. Finally, I talked to somebody else, and they told me that they just had received direction from the government. And when I pushed further, it was that they'd received. I was like, well, what did the government say? And they declined to tell me that. And then I pushed a bit further and then was told they, you know, we received a fact from the government. and they directed us to freeze the bank account.

So we did. And I asked if I could see the facts, and they said no. And they gave me a number to call the government. I called that number. The guy on the other end was on vacation, of course. There was another extension listed on the voicemail to call. You know, I'm on vacation, call this number. So I called the other number, leave a voicemail.

Nobody returns my call. I call back later, leave another voicemail. Nobody returns my call. back the next day, leave another voicemail, nobody returns the call. I called the day after that. There's technical difficulties. I was like, this is really weird. And this is crazy. Like, I mean, I luckily had started moving most of my finances over to a U.S. bank account a couple years ago, specifically because of the authoritarian, sketchy things that the Canadian government was doing, you know, freezing the convoy bank accounts.

And just generally I was like, I don't want to be dependent on or associated with or vulnerable to this government in any way. Because clearly they're very invested in cracking down on dissidents, which I am and have been for a long time, and which is why I left Canada four years ago. You know, I left out of concern that I would be stuck there, that I would be persecuted, that I wouldn't be able to work, that my free speech would be limited. And so I didn't, I wasn't left without any access to money, but for all they knew, I was. You know, this should be illegal. This is insane that the government can just freeze your bank. This is my one bank account in Canada.

For all they know, they froze my bank account. and then refused to respond to my phone calls. The guy went on vacation, and I just don't have any access to money for a week. So maybe they left me starving, homeless. You know, what if there's an emergency health situation? It's just disgusting. So, yeah, I just at a certain point,

I called a general number at the government. Actually, I tried to call another number to see if I could get, like, referred to somebody else who could tell me what was going on. The woman on the other end of the phone told me, She can't give me any information unless I give her information. And I was like, okay, well, I have no information. That's why I'm calling you to get some information.

We go back and forth like this for a while. I asked her what her job is. I was like, you know, what are Canadians tax dollars paying you for? What is your purpose? And she goes, oh, I'm supposed to refer people to, you know, departments or individuals who can answer their questions or help. And I go, can you refer me? to somebody who can help me tell me what's going on no so I hang at the phone and at that

point I just gave up I was just like you know screw this screw the Canadian government I'm pulling everything out of Canada moving on with my life I was supposed to fly back to campaign last Sunday I canceled my flight I just I don't trust them I don't know what they're up to this is all very sketchy and so rather than and be in Vancouver to campaign. I'm like, I'm pretty disappointed that I'm not able to actually be there to engage with people living in the riding and engage in the all candidates meetings and stuff like that because I was looking forward to doing that and doing some events with Maxime

and so on and so forth. But I just, yeah, I really, I just don't trust it. I don't want to get stuck there. I don't want to get persecuted or prosecuted. I don't know what they're up to. So I'm still here. I'm still running in Vancouver. East so I hope people will vote for me. But, you know, kind of just to show the NDP and the

liberals that there are people who care about these issues and that they can't, you know, steamroller everyone. But yeah, it's just, it's both, like it was shocking, but it's also not shocking, you know, it's sort of, I'm not, I can't put it past the Canadian government, really. I'm going to ask them really dumb questions, so forgive me. You know, I go like, okay, was the money transfer from... No, no, it's nothing like that. It's nothing sketchy. It wasn't connected to a money transfer.

It's not connected to taxes. I know people keep asking me, oh, were you laundering money? There was hardly any money in the bank account, by the way. The bank account was next to empty. It's not... I don't... There was any large sums of weird money coming in that. Even if it was, I go...

So I come back. The one time in my recent history, I've had been locked out of... that my bank account was for an e-transfer. I was sending to buy Bitcoin. And the Bitcoin thing, I ended up talking to not only the first person, but then I had to get pushed up the ladder to like one of the managers,

and then another one came on. And I was like, what is happening right now? You can't just lock me out and it was for $100. That was what it all. And all it was to just see if the process would work,

because I was just trying to buy some Bitcoin. I was like, I don't even know what I'm doing at this point. I'm like, just want to see if I got it right so I don't screw it up. And if I lose 100 bucks, and as I told them on the phone, I'm like, if I lose 100 bucks, like it's not the end of the world, but I want to make sure this process works. And let me tell you, I tried it again, and it got rejected the second time. So I'm like, this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever

seen. And so I think a lot of us have been doing banking a heck of a lot different in Canada, not only since Ottawa, but in the days after that. So that's why I asked the dumb question, Not that I'm worried. I was just curious. Like, why do they flag it? Why does the government, like, they can't give you a reason? Doesn't that just raise everyone's hair? Like, what do you mean?

I think it was frozen before the transfer happened because the transfer wouldn't go through because the account was already frozen. So it was just that's what triggered me to phone the bank and see what was going on. I'd use my account a few days prior to pay a bill. So it's, you know, yeah, there was nothing, there was nothing strange. Is it still? frozen so yeah yeah and nobody will get back here nope i just yeah and i just i don't really care i'm just i mean i do care but i just am like screw yeah screw this well obviously care a little bit because

i'm like to to be on the run right to i think lots of the listeners know your story right like i i certainly know your story i we've had you on the podcast before and i guess i should be pull that up you know if there's somebody listening right now and they're going what you had her on before episode 329 folks you got to go ways back in the old machine find that October 17th 2022 you're going to be like 830 7 or 8 right like we've done a ton of shows uh since that but i mean i guess it's it's i don't know i'm like you obviously care a little bit because if you were sitting in mexico i'm like uh screw this i'm not coming back but to throw your hat in the ring for for politics Even though you're like, I'm probably not going to win.

I'm not even going to get close on and on and on. I'm like, I don't know. I talked to a ton of expats who still care about the country, obviously, because they want to come back and try and open up some conversations and, you know, try and fix or help what's going on here. And instead, they're just like, government's like, nope, that person, bank account, sorry, scorched her, nope, we're not dealing with this. It's like, that's pretty wild.

Yeah. I mean, I care in that it's wrong and disgusting and insane. But, yeah, I'm just, I'm not going to fight that anymore. I'll continue to fight for Canada and these conversations. And yeah, you're right. I mean, I obviously still do care about the country. Otherwise, why would I bother to be continuing to try to raise the alarm and to show people what's really going on.

You know, it seems like there's so many people in Canada who have their heads in the sand. And it's wild, you know. People still sort of pretend that everything is fine and good. Obviously, there's still people who are willing to vote for the Liberal Party despite all that the Liberal Party has done over the past 10 years, which is also insane to me. So, yeah, you're right.

I shouldn't say, I don't care. it's sort of more like I'm not going to bother trying to fight you on this. Fine, you can have my bank account. I'll move on. Yeah, but that's like that in itself is insane. Not you, just like the whole situation. It's like, you know, how many Canadians are sitting here going right? What?

Like, it's wild to me. You didn't like, as far as I read and as far as I've heard now, you haven't got like an email saying, hey, this is why we froze your bank account in order to unlock it. just do these three steps or something like that. You don't know what part of government, like you just say government. I'm like, well, that's pretty wild. It isn't like Bob from accounting in this firm shut it down because I don't even know.

Like, I'm like, I'm trying to make sense. But they gave me a number for a guy at the CIA, or the CIA, the CRA, who, again, I called and he was on vacation. But it's not, you know, that doesn't make sense either. You know, it's not a tax-related issue. And this guy never returned my call, never answered the phone. Again, the other number I call, never returned my call, never answered my phone. The CR, like, they have my email.

I have lots of emails from the CRA between 2016 and 22. I checked through my emails, and it was like, surely they know how to contact me. Nothing, you know, none of it makes any sense. This is depressing. I mean, I don't, you know, like, it's like, what do you even say to that? I didn't even know who to get, it's just like the Canadian government. You know, you've been obviously traveling internationally a lot, right? You've been back and forth between Mexico and Canada a lot.

I assume you've been through the States. And like, I always say I'm married to American. When you go across into the States, if you have any questions, you call the border. And what do you get? You get the border. They pick up the phone. They talk to you. It's a human being.

On the flip side, if you're trying to come to Canada, You get an automated message and you get bounced around to like 17 different things and you never get to talk to a border official. It makes zero sense to me. I don't see how that would work like why you would set it up that way. If people want to get answers, why wouldn't you just allow them to talk to somebody? And when I hear your situation here, it's like you can't even talk to the like what happens when you call your bank? They just they just deflect and say it's government? They just tell me they can give me any information and deflect and say it's the government. have you mentioned i don't know me have you said who the bank is which bank is it

Ben city it's a credit union actually it's a credit union yeah a credit union that and i've had a bank account there since i was 10 years old this is the one bank account that i've had in canada it was my only bank account i've had it since i was 10 years old so what are you're just gonna you're just gonna leave it you're just gonna say fuck it yeah yeah screw them i don't know i mean i don't yeah i just i don't want to deal with them anymore. I don't really need that account. I'd rather operate out of the U.S. financially. I'm just so done. I mean, I just, I'm at a loss here, you know. I don't, and I, and it's, it's shocking to me that, again, so many people in Canada think everything is fine and good,

and they're just continuing on their way voting for these parties who have behaved in such draconian authoritarian ways. Never mind the fact that, you know, the Liberal Party totally destroyed the Canadian economy and people can't afford to buy groceries and gas and homes in Canada. And now they're still going to go back to voting for Mark Carney, who was the – it was Trudeau's financial advisor. know, he's responsible for destroying the economy as much as anyone. When you're down in Mexico, I'm always curious because I actually just had Drew Weatherhead on and he's, you know, in 2021, he sold everything. He'd lost his business. He's got a young

family. And, you know, forgive me, folks. I'm pretty sure the story goes. He'd never been, you know, was it never or was it not very often? One of the two had been camping. They bought a trailer and a truck and they drove across the border and they, and every year now they go down of the States for six months essentially and then they come back up and they go back and forth and he has very similar views on on Canada as yourself and I'm wondering you know like as you sit down in Mexico and you stare up at Canada like me sitting in it all the time it's just like you know when I say oh how was your Easter I was like oh I took a break like I just unplugged for it I just I'm just tired to seeing the stupidity and at times it can almost be soul-sucking

if you would, when you're sitting down in Mexico and you're looking up and you're talking to people and you're seeing things happening in Canada, like I'm just curious, what is your view from down south and what is happening up here in the north? Yeah, I mean, I think once you leave the country, I obviously saw that things were going very badly in Canada and that's why I left. You know, I saw things that things were getting really dangerous. But being out of the country, you can see things even clearly. You know, people will often criticize me for least. believing, being like, well, you don't know what's going on here. How can you talk about it? You're not even here.

Or, you know, you abandoned us. And I was like, well, I've been fighting for Canada for a really long time. I've continued to fight for Canada, from Mexico. I've fought louder and harder than most people in Canada. And I can see things more clearly. And I can see how the world sees things in Canada, which is that, you know, Canada has become clown country. And then, you know, you see these liberals behaving as though Canada is still the envy of the world. And, you know, at least thank God we're not America. And it's just, it's delusional.

It's delusional. And, you know, Canada is just going the direction of China or North Korea. And people don't want to believe it. I think they want to hang on to the vision of Canada that we all had in the 90s, you know, like Canada was once a good place to live. It's no longer a good place to live. It's no longer a safe place to live. It's no longer the envy of the world. And I think it's just, I hate to sound like a cynic, but it seems like it's getting worse.

Because unless people really snap out of it and start to see things clearly, and start to fight back, then things won't improve. You know, it's the government's fault, sure, but people are still voting for that government. Yeah, I know here in Alberta, a lot of people are putting faith in the conservatives, right? Pierre gets in and things will improve, I would say. You know, like, I think that's, there's certainly been a lot more talk about the PPC this go around than the last go around. I'll happily admit that or admit that. I don't know.

It doesn't matter to me at this point. It's like, because when I look at the election, you know, I had Maxime on, and when I look at the comments that I got back on it, and what people are talking about, it just seems like,

okay, they're all going to vote conservative in hopes conservatives get in, and then they can write the ship, so to speak, and peer and team can kind of course correct this. When I say that, I'm kind of curious your thoughts on if the conservatives get in, or do you just see the liberals getting it? I had high hopes for the conservatives under Pilev early on.

I liked him. I thought he seemed like a populist leader. I thought he was taking on a lot of sacred cows in Canada that needed to be taken on. I thought he seemed brave and bold. I no longer see things that way. Obviously, I think he would be a lot better than Mark Carney as a leader. Mark Carney will ruin Canada for sure. And I, but, you know, Paliyev, it seemed like as of, so as of January, Trudeau announces he plans to resign,

frees parliament, they install Carney as the leader of the Liberal Party. And it was almost like Paliab stopped campaigning, you know, he stopped talking about these issues that I was really banking on him to not just talk about, but be bold and unapologetic on, gender identity ideology, you know, free speech. You know, I don't know why he hasn't taken a firm stand against the COVID mandates and say, you know, never again. That's what people want from him, things like immigration even.

And I worry that people are putting, too much faith in, okay, if we just get the conservatives win, then we'll have saved Canada and everything will be fine, because I don't think that's true. I think he needs to be pushed much further, you know, towards the PPC platform, and instead he's moving in the opposite direction towards the liberals. And I think he's, yeah, maybe whoever is advising him is advising him wrong, but he's playing it safe in a way that I don't think is helping his campaign, and that I definitely definitely don't think will help Canada. And so that's been really disappointing to me.

Let me ask you a different train of thought then. There's another train of thought that's like, maybe we should just all vote Carney. And have Mark Carney come in because then people, you know, the only way change happens is pain. And under Carney, there will be pain. And saying that under Justin Trudeau, there was pain as well, you know,

to the point of the Freedom Convoy happening. And that didn't snap enough people. in my opinion, out of their everyday, you know, monotonous, you know, routines, if you would. What are your thoughts on the thought process? Well, maybe the best thing that can happen to Canada. And this is definitely Western sentiment, I might add, over all of Canada. There's this Western alienation, Western separatism thought process that the best thing for Western Canada is just for Kearney to get in. And for them to make it adamantly clear, they don't care about the West.

They don't care about, you know, like, what? Who's the thing Chris Sims just talked about? Tariffs on carbon. So one of the things on Carney's budget is in the coming years, if he wins to have tariffs on carbon, meaning goods we buy from overseas, there's going to be a tariff on the carbon on it. I'm trying to wrap my head around it because it's like,

this is insane. But maybe the best thing to happen is Carney getting in. Yeah, that's occurred to me as well. because I think that Canadians will remain complacent about what's happening in Canada if the conservatives get in and then, you know, next election, maybe the liberals are voted back in. Nothing changes. Things get worse. I unfortunately, I mean, I feel bad saying this because I don't want things to get bad for Canada and Canadians. I don't want things to get worse, but I also think that maybe people are not going to wake up. until things get a lot more uncomfortable. Because I think a big part of the reason why people continue to go along with this is because they're comfortable.

You know, they're like, well, things are fine. My life is fine. I have all my stuff. I have my things. I've got my apartment or my condo and my Netflix and my Amazon deliveries. I have all my stuff. It's okay. It's okay.

And maybe people aren't going to wake up until things aren't okay. which I think will happen under Carney. So, you know, it's hard to say out loud that I wish for Carney to win because I think he's awful. I think he's pompous and condescending and elitist and a globalist. I think he doesn't think he's accountable to anybody, including obviously the media. He doesn't think he's obligated to answer questions for the media. And I think he'll ruin Canada. But at the same time, you know, Canadians haven't woken up now after what happened.

during COVID and what happened to the convoy and what's continuing to happen to people involved in the convoy where the government is still trying to throw, you know, Tamara Leach and Chris Barber in prison. And, you know, there are guys who are involved in the convoy who are still in prison. I don't know. Then I guess something worse needs to happen. What's going to work at this point? Well, I don't know how to answer that question other than just the conference. conversations I have off air, you know, when you get talking about the everyday person,

when they go to the grocery store and, you know, like, when my wife first moved here, I guess it's 12 years ago now, folks, you know, like, I just think of what we could put in a cart back then. And that cart, you couldn't get, you know, like, what is it? Is it triples since back then? I think of now grocery shopping. I'm like, man, alive. Like, look at what's in there and how much it costs. I don't know. I couldn't afford, I couldn't survive in Canada at this point. I wouldn't, I just, I wouldn't be possible. I don't know how people are doing it. Last time I went back I was back there last spring and summer and fall, you know, I was back there in May and then August, September, and I, it was unbelievable to me. You know, I was like, I can't do this.

You know, I can't, I can't afford this. I'm not a wealthy person. I just don't know how people are managing there. Well, I just, I think you just find ways, right? It's like how did, how did, I mean, it's a dark image to put out there, but how do people survive in Soviet Russia? They just, they just did. Or pick any one of your, um, different countries that have gone through really difficult times and just pick it.

And, you know, and, and then think, well, as bad as Canada is, it's got to get a lot worse before it becomes, you know, the situation in the Weimar Republic and on, on, on, all these different things go. But like, all the tea leaves are pointing towards, like, this isn't getting better anytime soon. And the fact that Carney's even in the conversation, you know, one of the things it's hard to know, we're under a week away from the federal election. We're going to find out, and we're going to find out which way Canada wants to go. And, you know, how much worse does it have again, I have no idea. I just, I try and remind myself that before COVID, I was, Megan probably would have been like, Sean, wake the hell up. What are you doing? Well, you know,

I'm just living life. You know, we're having kids and we're dealing with, you know, the things that you deal with. And here I sit and I'm like, I don't know what it takes. But I have to believe that if it gets worse, that more people are going to start to wise up to the fact, this ain't getting any better anytime soon. If Carney gets in for another four years, if that, scenario were to play out. I don't know how in the West, specifically the West. You couldn't look at him and be like, this is going to be a rough go here for the next bid. Yeah. And, you know, maybe it would be good for parts of Canada. You know, maybe it would force Alberta to separate. So that would be good for Alberta. Well, the thing about separation or, or independence or 51st state, because there's

There's three trains of thought all center around this idea of a referendum is, you know, it'd be a long drawn out process. This isn't something you snap your fingers and all of a sudden tomorrow it's all done. It's a long drawn out process. And the thing about if Alberta were to lead the way in that is other provinces would see it specifically in the West. I'm specifically talking about Saskatchewan. And I think there would be a bit of a landslide of that type of sentiment if it were to at all be possible in Alberta. If Alberta could at all get to the point of a referendum and then have a successful referendum, I think a lot of provinces would start to stare at that idea.

And a little more positive light would be my way of putting in, right? Because like, Alberta isn't just, like, when I look at it, it doesn't just like, Alberta leaves out and they're just done and the rest of Canada just gets to mosey on, like nothing happened. That would cause, well, think of all the conversations that would happen if that were to happen at all in the next year. Well, and it would have a negative impact on the Canadian economy as well, which is why Alberta should separate, you know, because the rest of Canada is taking advantage of an exploiting Alberta. And Alberta doesn't really need the rest of Canada in the same way that the rest of Canada needs.

If Alberta, if Alberta was to go down that road, would Megan Murphy become an Alberta resident? Or you're like, no. No, I'm sick in Mexico. I love Mexico. Well, you've been there four years now, right? Or just under four? Four years, yeah, a little over four.

And that's been, I mean, I don't know. I love Mexico. I mean, I love Mexicans. I love Mexican culture. I love that people here don't talk obsessively about politics. I love that, you know, family and community and fun and tradition and parties and joy is prioritized and celebrated and people help. You know, I have a community here. I didn't have that in Vancouver.

Maybe I did at one time a long time ago, but certainly no longer. You don't know your neighbors. Nobody, you know, people are kind of out for themselves in Vancouver. There's nothing fun going on. I think people are really uptight. People want to, you know, sort of be involved in their neighbor's business and as much as they can control them, but not in any kind of supportive way. I like the lifestyle here. I like the weather.

I feel much happier here and I feel free. I, yeah, I mean, I love Mexico for all sorts of reasons beyond the fact. It's not just I don't want to live in Canada because of the authoritarian government. It's part of it, of course. But, yeah, I mean, the lifestyle is a lot more relaxed and live and let live, right? Not to mention the weather. Goodness gracious, the weather must be fantastic. The weather is great.

I mean, to be honest, you know, summer is coming and the summers here are pretty rough because, I mean, I live, it's a, it's in the jungle. It's a beach town, but it's in the jungle. So it gets very, very hot and humid, and then we get a storm season and a hurricane season and we lose power a lot. So it's not, it's not constantly idyllic. But much of the year, of course, it's beautiful and nice. And you're getting your vitamin D. You know, I feel healthier here. My immune system is stronger here.

It's, you know, I have great access to produce and meat and vitamin D and, you know, there's there's downsides too. They're just, for me, I'll take them. You know, things aren't as easy in a lot of ways here as they are in places like Canada and America. You know, like I said, we still suffer a lot of power outages. You know, you have less easy access to all the nice things and the convenience. and some things are sort of, you know, harder to accomplish and to get done and so on and so forth. But I feel like that's part of the charm, the chaos and unpredictability. And, you know, is the internet company going to show up today or maybe next month or maybe never? Before I let you out of here, you know, I feel like I may have asked you this first go around,

but I'm always curious with people who left Canada to go to a different country. And you look at Mexico and, you know, like I've certainly holidayed there, but I've never, you know, lived there. I've talked to different people who have for short stints. And I'm kind of curious. Like, you know, when you were looking at Mexico and you move there, what surprised you that you good or bad or both about being there? You know, you've mentioned a lot. But like, when you go there compared to being in BC, you probably had, man, well, I hope this works out. And then were you pleasantly surprised with a bunch of things?

I didn't even think of that. I mean, it wasn't a plan. I didn't plan to move to Mexico. I'd been coming here to stay Lita on vacation for many years. I came here for the first time in 2006, and I've always loved it here. And when I came here, like, I wasn't necessarily planning on staying permanently. I was escaping Canada, and I was going to see how things went.

But it wasn't an intentional, you know, I just abandoned my life in Vancouver. I just abandoned my apartment and my truck and all of my things and came here and figured it out and then was happier and saw things getting worse in Canada. So just stayed. So it wasn't, you know, people often ask me, you know, how do you do it? How do you go about moving to Mexico? I'm like, I don't know.

You just have to come here and figure it out. You know, there's no system. There's no like easy plan to move to Mexico. just have to be, you have to be very flexible and you have to be okay with a certain level of chaos. And to be honest, like from a philosophic sense, like I think, I think that helps you relax. You know, if you know that there's a lot of things that are sort of going to be out of your control, then your vibe is like, okay, I'm just going to roll with it and I'll figure it out. And, you know, if I need help, my friends or my neighbors or, you know, that guy down the road will help.

that's how people are here and that's you know probably generally what it's more like living in a small town anywhere as opposed to a city i had already sort of decided that i was done with cities it wasn't you know i was looking i was sort of looking at and sort of vaguely thinking about moving out of canada already and definitely out of vancouver um and you know was looking at america or you know like maybe nelson or the island or somewhere smaller that was sort of what i was looking towards And then, like I said, I came here and I was happier. We were free. There was no, you know, everybody was operating as usual.

There was no COVID fear. There was no obsessive discussion about which vaccine we're going to take. There's no masking. You know, we were just living life as always and everything was fine. And yeah, and I just find, I find people very warm here and kind and happy. And which is interesting to me because there's a lot of people in Mexico who don't have very much. And I think a lot of people that I know still living back in Canada think, again, you know, well, I need all these things to have a happy life and they're not happy.

They have all these things. They technically have much more than I do, you know. They make more money than I do. They've got their condo or their house or their vehicle or, you know, all their nice stuff, but they're miserable. So, yeah, I mean, I can't say that, I don't know. I mean, things surprise me constantly. You know, you're constantly learning how to deal with very strange situations.

What's the last strange situation? Oh, my gosh. This is every, I mean, there's just insane things happening all the time. But, you know, you have to sort of be accustomed to, you know, your neighbors having like a third year old birthday party until 5 a.m. and there's roosters and there's dogs and there's iguanas and there's scorpions in your house sometimes and you know sometimes then the ants take over your entire bathroom and yeah i mean and in the summer you lose power and you don't know when it's going to come back and you're sitting in the dark sweating in your house and eventually you're like okay well maybe we'll go into town and see what

everybody else is doing or you know i just i yeah i can't even i can't even begin to describe the like chaos and hilariousness that that happens here in mexico almost every day and um that that you can observe but i i really just find it endlessly fun and entertaining and it brings me a lot of joy i'm glad the power was on today i'm glad that uh you could hop on bring us up to speed on the things happening in your world. And hopefully we don't wait three years to do this all over again. But either way, thanks for giving us a bit of time today. Yeah, thanks much for having me again.

Hopefully, things get figured out. I know you don't care, but I, you know, and moved on, I'm just like, to me, that is a wild story. I look forward to the day when somebody emails me your substack again going, hey, she got her bank account back. And wouldn't you know, they thought she was, I don't know, whoever. And I know that's not coming, but, you know. I mean, I shouldn't say I don't care, but it's sort of I have an attitude of, and in general, I think I try to have this attitude as well.

But, you know, this is going to sound maybe a bit cheesy. But, like, I trust the universe and I feel that when bad things happen, there's usually a reason or something useful or good comes of it. And I'm like, okay, I trust that there's a reason for this that I'll be like, well, good, that that happened in the end. you know, maybe this wakes people up or something like that. I don't think there's anything cheesy about that whatsoever. And you can't stress about it. I mean, there's no, what's the point? And, you know, I was obviously very, very, very angry when it happened and was really angry for a few days following when I was given the runaround and trying to get a hold of all these people and no one was giving me information.

But at a certain point, you just have to be like, okay, like me getting angry and stressed about this isn't going to resolve the situation. So I'm moving on with my life. Megan, before I let you out, if people want to find your work, where can they search you out? Oh, please come find me on Substack. You can just search my name Megan Murphy on Substack, or you can go to www.m., Megan Murphy.ca. And, you know, I rely almost entirely on paid subscribers to sustain my work and to support the work that I do. So I really appreciate if people go over there and become a paid subscribers, just $5 a month, and it helps me out. lot. My podcast, the same drugs, is on Spotify. I'm on YouTube. Again, just search for Megan Murphy.

Like and subscribe, of course. And I'm on X, thank God, after having been banned for four years. Did you see, did you see Carney talk about, you know, censoring big American media platforms? And you know, it's just X. You know, that's exactly what he's talking about. For sure. I think I just I think that if he wins they're going to ban it in Canada for sure because it's you know hate speech right. They're going to pass their online hate speech laws so that you know Canadians are going to be dragged through human rights tribunals endlessly for saying something politically incorrect on Facebook. They're going to ban Canadians from accessing X. You know, they're going to censor YouTube. They're going to send they're already doing that. You know, they're already controlling what Canadians see in their algorithms as it is.

It's, yeah, of course, of course, they can't have X. There's too much free speech there. Megan, thanks for doing this and for hopping on today. All the best and look forward to the next time you're on. Thanks a lot. Take care. Thanks for having me.