Shaun Newman Podcast - #839 - Seth, Becky & Mackenzie Bloom

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Mackenzie took 2 shots so she could play AAA hockey in Saskatchewan and was vaccine injured. We discussed this all back in 2023 on episode #425 and this is the follow up with both her parents (Seth & Becky) where we discuss her road to recovery, getting back to “baseline”, and providing hope for others. Cornerstone Forum ‘25https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone25/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastSilver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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let's get on to that tale of the tape. This is a follow-up interview to a Saskatchewan, AAA hockey player who was vaccine injured. I'm talking about McKenzie Bloom, and she's joined by her parents, Seth and Becky Blecky Bloom. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today.

I'm joined by Seth, Becky, and McKenzie Bloom. First off, thanks for all hopping in the studio again. Thanks for having us. First timer. First timer. Now, I was saying to you all before we started, you got to go back to episode 425. That is May 5, 2023. to when Seth and McKenzie were in.

And, you know, you're asking McKenzie before we started, you're like, well, what's, you know, what in there? And it's funny, that year, that was a top 10, top five, top three. Yeah, see, your father remembers. It was a very, I don't know, people really engaged with it, shared a lot, talked about a lot, wanted to know more about your story. And I don't know, Seth and I have talked several times, well, lots over the course of two years. And finally, it just kind of come to a head. And especially with speaking at an event coming up here in Lloyd Minster as well. Yes.

That may be updating people on your story. And I don't know, not full circle, but bringing everybody back around on where everything's at and how you're doing and how everybody's doing, I guess. I don't know. So that being said, you're not the newbie in the room. Becky, you're the newbie in the room. And, you know, normally we start up with a little, I don't know, a little background on who a person is. So to maybe cut the nerves in here, we're going to focus on mob for a second. And just a little bit about yourself because obviously Seth's been on before, McKenzie's been on before.

Lots of people have heard their story, your story as well, for that matter. But maybe just, I don't care. What should I pick on her for background? It doesn't matter. You can go as far back as you want or as short as you want. Have fun with the goalie mom. Ask them her how Skinner is doing right now. How Skinner doing?

Well, the thing is by the time this release is it could either be Skinner came and did amazing things or Skinner, they're ready to burn the city down. You think he's going to come back? That should just be happy that I'm cheering for him because I'm from Calgary. So I should really. Are you a Calgary Flames fan? I am a Flames fan. Now I will say turned Oilers. because my whole house is oiler fans.

But yeah. Yeah. That's where you're from. You got to cheer for him. I forgive her. Yeah. Don't we all? Might be easier to be a Flames fan right now.

Flame's going to make a playhouse next year? Probably not. You think they're a few years away from? I think so. I don't really watch them anymore because our house is on the oilers, so I actually have probably converted, I would guess. McKenzie is Skinner going to bounce back? By the time people listen to this, they'll be either screaming, yeah, he did,

or no, he definitely did not. I've always been a Skinner lover. Really? Always defended him. Even when he was not doing well. He's got like 800% percent, well, just smidge over 800% of a rate. Terrible. I'd argue the defense also suck, but.

Yeah, well, I can't. I can't argue that either. Yes. So you're saying, is it the chicken or the egg type argument? Mm-hmm. I just want Carrie Price in that. Can't we just get the goalie who can just stop everything? I'd take Hella Buck over price.

If the Oilers had Hella Buck right now, would we be up too old? Yeah. Yeah. We were having that argument on the Brothers Roundtable the other day, and we all seem to think so as well. Sorry, Flamespan got me derailed. True, yeah. Well, I don't know what you want to know. How did you and Seth me?

How's that? Well, that's a good story. My parents are actually originally from Turtleford, so I went to school in Saskatoon and would go on the weekends to stay with my grandma and party with my cousins and met Seth through that and ended up in Turtleford. Applied for, I think, 30 positions in Alberta, Calgary area and wound up getting an interview in Medstead, Saskatchewan. So never left. It's always crazy how stories work out because you're a teacher, correct? Yeah, teach grade three in Turtleford. How many years, I don't know, I don't mean to date you. How many years, how many years have you been teaching?

24 years. What's one thing you miss from 24? years ago when you first started teaching that's changed oh I don't know if I should go into that teaching is very different because I will if you won't no no that's not what this is about what do I miss having more energy I guess I was young I had energy to coach and do all the things and go back to work the next day maybe that would be what I miss the most you know my my wife teaches yeah and they they like potluck potluck Thursday I don't know something it's a potluck club I think it's potluck club I seems foreign's coming out of my mouth. Did you listen to me try and pronounce precision? The other, and I guess it's like, it was

like, foreign. I'm like, why is it? What is going on with my mouth right now? What a weird thing. Weird, weird. Anyways, okay, I digress. Mackenzie, it's been two years. I know your father. He seems to, and I've had Scott on multiple times, Scott Marzlin for the listener. How are things been going? I'd say really well. But it was May. We did it last time. Me, yes. So a month after that, I started running again. And then two months after that, I was skating again.

And then I was basically back to normal for about a year, I'd say, doing everything I used to. With a couple, what would I call them, issues. But you were able to have good quality of life. You just had to work really hard to do less than when a normal person would be doing. would be doing sorry for the normal normal's not a good word well repeated an awful lot no we just ignore that because I mean we're gonna be back to where she was baseline we're gonna get there and I think actually we are there now so do we want to go back and just sort of fill in the pieces from yeah absolutely so like McKenzie was

saying when we had done the podcast last time actually the replay you did in December, my wife had put together a video of her. Progress. Well, progress, the fall and the progress. So if people have watched that, I mean, they know a little bit. But what we had done, my wife had suggested and a great idea and we did it. We had taken her in May. I think we started in May to Miranda.

Yeah, Weiss. Yeah. She's a trainer, basically. And she started kind of rehabbing. because I think rehab is the right word because it's all through the video and you can watch the video. And the interesting part of that, if you watch the video, you can see how she really actually had to relearn fine motor skills in her legs. Yeah, like jumping. Miranda had me jumping at one point and it was just like jump forward into the sides and it'd like take me 30 seconds to remember how to jump to the side.

It was hilarious by the way. It was so bad. hilarious isn't the word I'd use. Oh, it is. When you say jump to the side and you had to relearn it. Like a little hop. Like when you go back, like were you staring at your feet going like, okay, we can do this. Yeah.

We can do this. Well, it was trying to remember. I can't even explain it. Like your brain couldn't make your legs do what you knew they were supposed to look like, but I couldn't figure out how to like get both feet off the ground at the same time. The right and the left leg wouldn't work together. Yeah. It was happening to read. learn find motor skills like it was it was wild to watch and it came fairly quick within a month

month and a half two months it really progressed and the video shows that but i wanted to discuss that like it uh it was a long road and miranda um i guess i may as well do that right now miranda was awesome like she deserves a shout out there's a couple people that we have to give that to as she went above and beyond and was really part of her journey Yeah, I would agree. I don't think you always enjoy going. No, but looking back now when you have videos and you can see the progression, I think. It was cool because by the end, I was doing like box jumps and pistol squats and that was by July. Yeah. It's only two months after seeing Miranda. Yeah, and you started with couldn't do a two foot hop. Yeah. You couldn't step up onto a box. Like the video's fun to see that progression and each week it was just a little better,

little better, and then by the end you were killing it, which was great. But I guess we'll move a little bit farther beyond that. Your legs, you still had that weakness, right, where your legs were a little bit weak. You could give her, you could run, but not that far. And you could play, but if it was a real busy game, you were gassed by the end of it. You'd barely make it through. So you're still working through that. And wouldn't do back-to-back games, say? Like you didn't play back-to-back. It took a while to recover. Yeah. It was that July, I went and skated with my old hockey coach,

and that was the first time being back on the ice. So this is July 2023, correct? Yeah. So right after we did the previous podcast, I went to skate with my old goalie coach, and that went fairly well. And then a few weeks later, we did a camp with him. And I did have to skip day two because I was just too tired to do anything.

But that was the first time skating since. February or something. And that's another guy that we had to publicly thank Travis Harrington that first skate, that first day you didn't want to get back on the ice. And it took someone other than her parents to be able to talk her through it, to get through that.

The first day you didn't want to get back on? It was like the first few days, like, leading up to the very first skate I didn't want to go on. And then when I was doing it, the camp I did not want to go on because I was competing against like other kids. It's not competing but in my head I was competing against other kids at a goalie camp. Some really high. You had high expectations of what you wanted to be able to do on the ice and yeah,

didn't want to be showcased as anything but. Yeah. And like scared my legs would go on me halfway through a drill and just the embarrassment from it kind of thing. Yeah, but Travis, Travis walked her through that and the rest is history but thank you Travis because you did what a dad couldn't right then. I was not listening to them at all. No, he actually seemed a little bit mad at us, but whatever. We took lots of videos.

Well, I mean, I don't know, from a parenting side, I can assume on your, and I keep using this stupid saying, and I don't know, it just must be popular in my brain or in society. On my bingo card, you probably didn't have a pandemic. I check. All right, there it is. And then vaccine injured, right? I would argue that probably, you know, for most parents, isn't how they design things. So then to try and, you know, like publicly, because you come on the podcast to talk about it at the time, which we both, well, everybody probably knows, like the amount of texts that came through wanting to talk to you folks was, can I use the word insane? Well, it was busy. It was busy, wasn't it? Yep. And every once in a while, one still trickles through years later. And so, you know, you go, I can imagine that's been interesting times. If I sit back and actually think about it, the amount of people that I've talked to, it's kind of crushing.

Because every one of them has a story like we had, maybe worse, some worse. And, I mean, finding hope to keep pushing through. I guess that's what we're trying to do. That's why we're here is the story of hope because we have went from absolutely decimated can't walk to Basically back to baseline. We'll say that we're very close to that like you really can give her now Is you're doing the hard 75 fitness challenge right now? Yeah, yeah or did I say that right? 75 hard yeah, oh, I'm not doing it so I wouldn't know the name. He's getting old I am getting old I

I I I I uh dustin and I so uh you guys would all know dust then yes right okay dumb dumb question um we tried carnivore diet and when we were doing it I couldn't get over how good my knees felt I've had bad knees and so I kept torn multiple things and so like the further I went into carnivore my knees started to feel like like unreal so the only way I can get my brain around your body going from like can't even do, I can't even jump to like you're back to baseline is I just assume that one day you're like, I can't believe I can do this again. Like I feel really good. Am I even remotely close? No, that's like exactly it. With without picture, without the podcast and without pictures that we took, it's hard to remember now. But I've

re-listened to the podcast before we did this. And yeah, I mean, it was kind of a little. little bit emotional actually to relive some of it and realize how dark it was. Well, and I'll say so when she played hockey last year, you play, you didn't play every game, which is good because they, they swap anyways. Your legs would still sometimes the next day go a little wobbly or be really, really tight or sore, right? But that was kind of became the norm for a while. She could do it, but there was after effects. And then would you say when you went to go this year, maybe I'm jumping ahead too much.

Was it your first game in Regina? Yeah. Yeah. So Kenzie was starting for her team in Regina. Who are you playing for, by the way? I guess we don't say that. Oh, if you jump back to August, 2023, so right after I did this podcast and I tried out for Saskatoon Prairie Blaze,

which was they're part of the U-22 junior team, or league in Saskatchewan. It was new last year. And I tried out in Saskatoon, I made the team. So I was playing in the junior league in Saskatchewan. Forgive me. First game, Regina. Yeah, so they go to Regina and we watch.

And I think we thought she was good. Like, we were just going to carry on. A little nervous because why wouldn't she be? And her legs went on her within how many minutes? Seven. Seven minutes and was carried off the ice. And completely went. carried her off.

Like a year prior. And that was, yes, you played a full year. You actually won league that year, played the final game. I mean, you had a good go. Then you went into fall. She actually put in there too. They won league. And Kenzie was first team all-star.

First team all-star goalie for the new league. Like I had a really good year. A good year. A good year. And did you, like, okay. So you're playing your first. year are you like thinking you're 100% or you're like no I got to do certain things and if I just time it right and you know I go back to my junior days I felt

like you know I had all the superstitions if if I ate an apple and then I scored a goal and I was like oh must be the apple got I'm gonna have an apple and then the next day I get scored on three times like it was not the apple and then I try something different like in this full year of playing after you've gone from once again I just I'm gonna repeat it from not being able to the jump sideways to where you're playing full-time. Was it, yeah, how was that year? Honestly, that year was just a shock.

Because, like, I went into that trial not thinking I'd make the team because I wasn't playing the year before. And then I got a call that night that I made the team. And that was, like, probably the most exciting news I've gotten. I don't know. I was nervous, like, really nervous to play. It's weird. My new normal is it just hurts.

So like when I was playing, my heart rate would like jump to 200 and I'd feel tired, dizzy, and all that. But that was normal for me. So playing, I just got used to that feeling. And so really it wasn't normal and I wasn't 100%, but it felt like 100% to me just because I was playing and able to play if that makes sense. Kind of made it your normal so that you could be normal, like feel normal. They talk about getting old and I'm not there yet. but that you wake up and your body just hurts and you just become used to the pain and I've always thought well that doesn't make any sense why wouldn't you change things to try and make it feel just a little

bit better just a smidge right so I can understand you know a pickleball story for you all to laugh at me for I played my father-in-law and he's pretty wicked on the pickleball court and I was this was last summer and all I did was just twist my to like I can almost still feel it just to go grab the ball And like I snapped my neck so fast, I just like pulled something all down my shoulder. I was like that for like three months. And I was like, I guess this is just the new norm, getting old, right? Like I said, I'm going to have this pain. So I think a lot of people can relate.

It's just you're young. How old are you now? 19. 19. And I think that's what, you know, really, I don't know the word for the audience, but that's not usual, right? Right. When you're that age, you shouldn't have to deal with a new norm and pain and on and on and on. That's, I guess, the part of the story that's, I don't know, makes everybody pick their eyes up and go, huh?

How's this going? So you make the team shocking or not shocking because I'm sure your parents would say. I thought it was shocking. You play the season. And obviously you're dealing with the pain, the heart rate, everything. Did you find anything that work? Because I assume at this point in time you're trying all sorts of things. Yes?

Yeah, we were trying stuff, yeah, the whole time. But no, nothing was breaking that condition. Let's actually go back. So Miranda, 2003, we worked with Miranda through the summer, and your improvement was exponential. Really fast. Yes, until about August, and you plateaued. And actually, we had phoned Scott and had a discussion with them, and I mean, it was obvious.

You had got as good as you could get on your current therapies, and you were just plateaued. Like, no matter how much training or exercising or dieting or I didn't get any better. Yeah. So, and we tried some new things, too. it wasn't really moving the needle. So by the late fall of 23, Scott had got us to go source an MRV. Now, an MRV is an MRI specializing on the venous side of your circulatory system.

The veins, the low pressure return back to the heart. Most cardiac or circulatory testing they do is on the arterial side. The venous side is kind of ignored. So we didn't actually know what was up, but we're like, yep, Truscott, let's go find it. So we went and found it in Edmonton, got it done, sent it into them, had another appointment in January, February. Like February, I think. Yeah, in February. And they went through the results.

And they referred us to a place. So this is the beginning of 2024, right? Yeah. Spring of 2024. They referred us to a place in Colorado, in Denver, called minimally invasive. Specialists? Yeah. Right.

MIPS. So we had our consult with them. And what they showed us, and this is an underlying problem, this was massive to find. Iliac, her iliac vein. So your iliac is in your... Abdom. Yes. And it wraps around your spine.

It comes around your spine. So it is prone to having issues, like... You are not a pregnant lady, but pregnancies, this can happen, right? Because they just run out of room as they're growing the baby. And it can pinch off. In her, so that's what the imaging had found, is her iliac vein was collapsed. And that's the words they used. Like 85%.

If you go back to, I think Scott's first one, he talked about collagen being overbuilt in the body after the vaccines. Like rungs in the ladder. And he talked about runs in the ladder instead of every foot. Having a rung, it was every inch. So the vessels were very rigid. And this one had a natural bend to it, the Iliac. So it was collapsed. An 85% blockage.

So return flow to her heart was restricted by 85%. The vein leading up to the blockage had ballooned out quite large, actually. We both saw that. And the body had found away. It was filling through capillaries. and microvessels just to get enough bloodthrow to keep her alive, really. So we agreed to it. And in July, July 8th of 2024, we traveled down there and had a stint placed in an

iliac. So I'll just quote what Dr. Spencer had told us when she put it in. So they do an imaging technique when they place the stint because, I mean, it's got to be placed exactly within a millimeter. So they have an imaging tool when they run in to place the stint and it was successful. They opened it right back up. Great. But they also noticed the inferior Venetheva, right?

Yeah. It was collapsed. Deflated was her word. Deflated. So like there were endothelial problems all through her body. Like the first podcast. Remember the beginning of our story. she went to Notre Dame.

First thing that happened was bad back and hips. That's where your alec is. The silliest thing we said at the beginning of that last podcast was probably the most important. But we didn't know it yet. Yeah. So, yeah, we had that done. And when you woke up after the procedure,

I mean, immediately your blood pressure had came way down. Your heart rate came way down. Like, it was looking great. I mean, we had to nurse you off the painkillers and that was hilarious. Should have taken away your phone. That was a mistake on us parents. But so be it.

So what we do after that? What's the next thing that fits in after? Well, she had some recovery time in the summer, that summer. Yes, we're going to pause there just for a second. So you go get surgery down in Colorado? Denver. Yeah. Denver.

Not a dumb question from a Canadian. Not plausible in Canada? or they don't do this, or you just rattled off like seven terms, and I can guarantee you people are going to text me, and I'm going to tell you to just rewind it the two minutes and try and write all that down, because I don't even know all the words. I didn't catch them all.

There was a whole bunch of new things that said there, and I'm like, I mean, that might be helpful to people you have no idea. It might be. That is one of the known things from Spike is it damages the endothelial wall of your circulatory system. Spike going through there messes it up. So this like the reason we went to the states though is I mean we were doctoring in the states right so that's who we were referred to. But now knowing that she is one of the very few if not only surgeons doing that procedure for the reason that we got it done for vaccine injury.

Yeah they work with leading edge. Like they all they almost partner and for a stint to be placed in. Yeah. If anyone's confused about who the heck we're talking. We're talking. Go back in the podcast, Scott Marsland. leading edge clinic and he's Partnering with Pierre Corey and you know you can I think he's been on now three maybe four times on the podcast

I can't remember if it's three or four regardless it's three is it three thank you and you can hear what a lot of these different things are Things that you're like what I'm sure the last time I was on Seth can probably a test I'm sure I looked like you're gonna do what now but in saying that you three have been through so much you can can probably attest everything Scott's talking about. We also made that What Now Face every time he offered something because it's out of, out of the box, most of it. It is completely out of the box. And that's why it works.

Yeah. You go to Denver and get surgery. You wake up, uh, forgive me on time frame. It doesn't matter. But how long, I guess it does matter the way of the phrase. How long until you like notice like something's different? Like, like, did it hurt? Or were you like, oh, this is weird or?

Walk me through that. When the painkillers wore off, everything hurt. And I really rationed her pain killers because they gave her a little mini dose of mini, micro dose of fentany. Like for pain right after. And she went wild on her phone. She also went wild on her dad. Everything that she'd say was directed to Seth. That's right.

She had like eight burns in the first 10 minutes. I mean, I just went on the hallway and hung my head. I'm like, well, the brain fog's gone. It was hilarious. I was a little mean. Well, you were a little messed up. So after that, I mean, I rationed out, I probably was mean to her because I rationed out those pain killers. We just cycled Advil and Tylenol and I wouldn't use the tram at all that they gave us.

Oh, wait, I didn't get over those. But for your question, I didn't notice anything right off the bat. One, because I was in pain because my back really hurt and was a 17-hour drive. Mm-hmm. We had a really long drive and sitting hurt. So that whole road trip kind of sucked. But then once I got back, my biggest thing was probably the brain fog. I could actually speak normally and remember words and remember names.

I don't know. I didn't notice much else until I started exercising. Well, your stats, right? Your blood pressure and your heart rate it came way down. So this is, forgive me, you mentioned 2024. July. Like last summer. Yeah, yeah.

So last summer, a full year after we talked, you're back playing full-time hockey, won a championship, or is that this year? Last year? Last year. You win a championship. You still notice, I got, like, my legs can go on me. I got brain fog. I'm having issues with names and remembering thing and on and on and on. And that's what you know. Man, that's, I don't even know what to say of that. That's pretty wild, doesn't it? I don't know. You guys know this story, so I guess. To me, I guess to just assume the training and monitoring your body, like,

that the brain started to, but like this was a big, big deal. Yeah, so a couple things there. We had done prior to having the stint put in, we had done an amyloid microclotting test of Dr. Jordan Bond. That came up before with Scott. And it scaled from zero to four, four being the worst. She was a four or four before we went for the stint. So we got the stint done, came home, recovery,

because you six weeks of like be very gentle with your body you're not doing anything so you lost your conditioning too which sucked leading up to that game where anyway we we sent it down the sample and did the amyloid microclotting test again she came back two of four it was letting go after the stint because now what was what was it before four or four from the first time we did it until the stint it was four as bad as it gets as their scaling gets but we did the stint. end, all of a sudden, now you have circulation, right? The blood's turning over. Everything's moving in the body.

And it started to break up, two or four. That was awesome. That was a happy day. And we got those results back. So at that point, we thought we were cooking. Clear. Oh, we're cooking with fire. Life's good.

This is, oh, actually, I didn't say that yet, but I will say that. So we get to the fall and go to that first game. You're on your team and get to. Yeah. Okay. This is where we get to the story where we're back in time frame. and I'm, so you've literally won a championship. Now this is the second season for the same team?

Yeah. Okay. With a shutout again, by the way. Yeah. Shutout in the final game. Not a Braddad at all. If you earn it, you get it, right? Fair enough.

Yeah, you got kids. You'll do this, too. So, yeah, we go to that first game in Regina thinking, hey, cooking with fire, life's good. And no. Regina was a good team. Puck didn't leave our end for five minutes. and by the time you went down to your knees, you couldn't get up. Yeah, the last goal I was down on my knees and I couldn't get back up.

Yeah, so. Walk me through, can you walk me through that? Like, are you, like, just, like, out of breath? Like, or is it just like I literally can't get up? Well, the weird part is warm up. I was completely fine. Like, I did the warm up and I thought I did really well. And I was like, oh, this is going to be a good game.

First, like, two minutes were fine. And then the puck didn't leave our end. And I was getting tired. And I was like, oh, I'm just tired because. puck's been in our end and then after that goal I got down and I can just feel it and I put my one leg up to like get up and I could feel it like shake a little get a little wobbly but I I didn't think my legs were gonna wobble so then I tried to get my next leg up and they were just shaky and then once I was standing they were just shaky so then I started skating to the bench and then they really started shaking and then by the time I stepped onto the bench my legs kind of just collapsed and then I was on the ground sitting and I couldn't get back up like it was probably the worst my legs have ever gone on me yes another way to word is they tremor like you get a leg tremor is what it would be they

shake non-stop and you can't put any weight on them and they cramp really bad afterwards yeah yeah so yeah we had three people to wheel you across the ice to keep your legs rigid enough you could get there and then we carried you to the dressing room so that was a fun moment Um, but anyway, we did the leg shook in the dressing room for about a half an hour to get them calm down. But I think that was an eye opener too because we like we thought we were in the clear and with her and it was quite horrifying to watch. It happened all of a sudden again after she'd had a year of the not have. Yeah.

And we had done something that changed. Yeah. It was a game changer. Freeing up circulation, letting your blood pressure go back to normal. And I mean, completely normal. You're actually maybe a little bit low. now, not this diastolic over 100. I mean, you circulate

easily. Even the color and feet changed after we put the stint in. Like, it was beautiful. Yeah, so it was a bit of a kick to see that that the muscle hadn't came around even though we've got circulation fixed. So before we started, I had said something,

I better say now. So what we have learned, well, patterns of life. Your military guys say that. So patterns of life here. As we fixed problems, the whole way along, we can start the beginning and go till here as we've fixed problems and we've fixed plenty something always crept up in its place as you fixed something and it's so frustrated because well we'll just use the stint because you put the stint in you fix circulation you can you can monitor it's not a

guess there's a number there you know it is but the legs got worse the legs that were fine to play for an entire year with low blood supply to the harp we're completely fine. As soon as you fix the blood supply, now the lags start going. Yes. So, I mean, the point to even saying that is for people that are going through it, expect it. Weird things are going to happen. As you fix a problem, something else will kick off.

Ignore it, accept it, move through it. Fix another problem. Eventually, you'll get to where we are. Like, don't get discouraged or disappointed by that. Like, if we had a message, our message is hope. That's what we're trying to do here by talking about it. Yeah, it's a long road. Yeah, we've went through a lot of stuff.

But hope. It can be beat, apparently. If we did it, why can't somebody else? That you feel? Mm-hmm. Well, you're kind of there now. Okay, so, yeah, no hockey because the legs weren't coming back around at all. And that takes us to December of 2024.

So we had a meeting with Scott, an appointment with Scott, just before Christmas, like the 23rd, right? Yeah. And, well, he wasn't allowed to suggest a certain product that he talked about his whole podcast the last time he was on, chlorine dioxide. So he didn't suggest it, but pointed in the direction. And long story short, I did get it figured out eventually with a whole bunch of embarrassing things trying to figure out where these. To source things. Yeah, source things. I got some bad stories about that.

But anyway, I had one guy asked me if I was trying to make mustard gas. I'm like, no, no, I'm not a terrorist. Anyway, we got it figured out, started it on the 27th, I want to say. And by like, yeah, because I think it was the same day we went for a walk. Remember that I want to say it was December 27th. We have had Christmas. My family was there and we decided just to go for a walk with the dogs. And I followed behind her and I said she leaves tracks because her leg when it gets tired will drag.

Like she can't pick it up all the way. And she was leaving tracks in the snow. Her legs were just tired from a half hour. Not even half hour walking the snow and the cold. So we were kind of disheartened because it was, it's hard to watch that. Like that's a hard thing to watch. And we've been trying new things. And yeah, so that was December 27th.

Yeah, it was. So maybe it was the 28th we started, but it was right after that. Oh, I started the day early because I was doing it to myself to see if there was in. You died? Well, yeah. Test it first. me up, right? I may as well be the guinea pig. Believe me. I've taken the chlorine. I'm like, well,

if I die, this is it, you know. No one else will take it. Smells awful. I'm just like, you know, all right. Yeah, well, I've done the same and I've done it pretty decent doses just to see. It's so tolerable. It's not funny. Anyway, we started that. And what was it about the 8th or the 10th of January? You had kinesiology class or gymnastics or something, university? genastics. It was like a kin class where we basically do elementary genastics.

Yes, but were you capable of doing that at Christmas? No. You were actually worried because your prof at the beginning, I remember you coming home saying he asked anyone if you weren't physically able to do this at any way to let him know. I'd have to drop the class. And you'd have to drop the class. So you were like, I just lied. I told him I can do it all. And I'm just going to have to do it all.

And I don't know how, but I'm going to do it all. Yeah. So anyway, she goes into that, getting ready to bluff her way through it. And lo and behold, she's fine. She does everything, right? And you were fine. Then you went home. You're still fine. Then you exercised. You're still fine. And like exercising being like doing 45 minute hit workouts and going for hour long walks. So you notice the duration, like how long your endurance was? it fixed it and you did some skates in there too hey went to practice and did some skates and and there was a window of probably you know Christmas you're not doing any exercising and classes don't even start till the what the fifth or sixth or something like that right so this is

December 2024 correct yeah yeah we're talking like a couple months ago yeah not even yeah we had we're at end of April on four months ago when when okay okay leading up to Christmas, you're still like, you know what, I get into a half an hour workout and I'm like, I'm poached. There's just no getting past a certain mark. I wasn't even doing anything before Christmas. I couldn't do anything. No, we'd taken like two steps back. After, like, after having surgery and everything and having all the highs. Yep. Then it was two steps back, the leg thing after the hockey, were you playing hockey anymore?

No. I played, this season I played seven minutes. that's Regina and that was it so you played in Regina got carded off and that that was it yeah oh man it had been a rough 20

like it's from a high to you think when you talk about sorry when now I'm understanding when you talk about you set it right off the hop and I didn't quite understand what you meant of you know like you get a year in and you have some of your lowest lows to the people listening then

there's going to be people that are like oh I got to where I think I got this conquered. You know, you know this. I'm reading the Bible. Some days I think I know it all and then I get sent back. I'm like, nope, no nothing. What you're saying is, is you went and you win a championship, pitch a shut out in the championship, you're thinking you're past everything, you go get surgery, things are like, oh, right, here we go. And then seven minutes in, boom, you're down, you collapse, carried off. And then it's like the longest fall you've ever had. Mm-hmm. Like, I live 10 minutes away from the university, so I walk every day, and walking would get tough.

And like October. And previously that hadn't been the problem. No. Like in May of 2024, I did a 5K, and I think I ran it in like 26 minutes or something. Oh, yeah, you're doing all right. I don't know. Yeah, when she was feeling, I would say, at your prime, yeah, I was. decided to organize a 5K run and run it. And then it just, yeah, went downhill after that. How frustrating was that for you?

Oh, just a little. I don't know. I had such a good year the year before. Like, I was doing fitness testing in school again. I was playing hockey, playing volleyball. I did try track, but I was too nervous to do the sprinting events. I didn't really do track. But, like, still practice and everything.

I did a 5K. I don't know, everything was like really good. And then going from like the high high to not doing anything again was kind of not fun. And living on my own and first year of university and all the things all at once. Yeah. Yeah. And fixing a major problem and then that sets you back. So that's why I said what I did about the process, right?

Two steps forward, one step back. It just seems to happen. So chlorine dioxide, you, didn't even test your body until like your first gymnastics class that was like two weeks how fast did the chlorine dioxide work can't even answer that because it didn't try were you tired of hearing your father's like you should try and take this oh oh was she ever someone's got to keep the brain fog kid on track so yes i've been Nazi with that what made you try like was dad like you're doing this or were you know like because or was it like

before you were like, oh, maybe, maybe something's different? Or did you not notice anything until you're at this kinesiology class? At the very start, no, dad was just mean about it, so I did it. However long it was in, once I did my first workout, then I actually bought in and decided to really do it. But dad was still mean then. You needed to see the actual proof in the, yeah, what you were doing was going to do something. So you didn't notice off of taking chlorine dioxide in that first up until kinesiology, right?

Yeah. So that's like a two-week window. There's nothing like perceivable. You hadn't gone for a walk and all of a sudden you're like something's different, nothing. I was kind of refusing to do anything at that point. Fair enough. Yep. Yeah, but then, yeah, once I started exercising.

So you walk in this class and what did you have to do that was so physically laborous if you recall it? You called it to elementary gymnastics. It doesn't sound very physical. Well, it's a lot of like repetition because he'll like introduce a move so then you do it and then you have to add on to it. It's an hour and 20 minutes and you're just moving the entire time. So it wasn't the movement. It was the length of movements. Yeah.

And like. And the type of movement because your legs were your weakness. And that's what we started with. It was like our first week we were learning how to absorb our fall in different ways. and then we were doing jumps off boxes. I don't know. And everything, I was nervous for that because you'd have to jump on the box and jump off and just do hops for an hour and 20 minutes.

And it felt normal, which was weird. And I was worried. I wouldn't be able to do it. And then you'd do stuff like we'd learn how to run properly. So we just ran back and forth for an hour or. Actually, don't know what did I do. Lots of squat things, lots of balancing things that were stable. Oh, yeah.

We do support. So, like, carrying someone on your shoulders or holding a handstand or, I don't know. It was just... I don't know if I could do all. No, right. It started, I was worried about that class, like, really worried. And then, like, probably a week in, it became my favorite class. And we did it twice a week, and you just went and did somersaults and cartwheels and jumps.

And you're on the beam, like, the low beam, the high beam. bars. Then you started kind of doing your bike at home a little bit, and then practice. Is that right? Went to a couple of practices and tried it out. Yeah, I tried hockey, and by the time I was like, maybe I could play a game, it was playoffs, so it's not fair that I'd, like, jump back in during playoffs. Not that I wasn't physically ready, I called it.

What I call it? I think mentally you were. No. athletically ready. I wouldn't be in playoff shape, so... You would have been, but it wouldn't have been fair to the extra goalie they signed to get them through the year when you were able to play. Yeah, like she played all the games, so...

You were worried your reflexes and your... Yeah, weren't going to be in the same way. But I probably, by end of February, is it? I could have been playing again. I guess I just chose not to. No, to be fair. But like at that point I'm working out twice a day, walking to school, just literally exercising whenever I could kind of thing. So what of the blue, that chlorine dioxide, whatever the issue was with the legs, I don't even have a guess.

Honestly, don't. How does that affect muscle weakness? But it did. Cleared it. But what crept up in this place was vertigo. You had about two, three weeks of just wicked vertigo attacks. It was terrifying. Yes, what is Vertigo?

Dizzy when you were like completely dizzy, like hungover. No, no. Way worse. Okay, wait a worse. It's so much worse. I've never had it, so. I remember I was laying in bed with my eyes closed, and my eyes were closed, and all of a sudden I felt like my bed was like rotating. And so I opened my eyes.

And then all of a sudden my walls were going and just moving around. And if I tried to stand up, everything started flipping. And like, I had to crawl to the bathroom because I thought I was just sick. And it lasts like two hours of like if I just look at anything, it starts spinning. Everyone says it's like being drunk, but it is not. It's so bad. Well, it's because the room kind of moves, not, not you. Like it's like the walls, you try and find it and you can't find the wall because it's, yeah, your perception's all distorted.

So, yeah, so we talked to Scott and he found us a compound made from a poisonous flower and we took those pills and within three weeks gone again. It's another one of these. Two steps forward, one step back. Also doing those she did with your vagal nerve stuff. Oh, right, the whole time you were doing safe and sound. Right. Yes.

Can you explain that? I cannot explain safe and sound. No, we'll still get it. So, safe and sound, Allie works through leading edge. It's all about your vagal nerve, so it's like sound. So you listen to sound frequencies and music at different frequencies, kind of like when you go to a masseuse and they play a certain tone to calm your vagal nerve. So she worked with Kenzie on that once a week or once every couple weeks?

Once a week. Has everybody seen the videos? I feel like everybody's seen the videos, but forgive me if you haven't, you can like search out how different music effects, you know, and I think they do like water. I think water's the main one they do, and it's pretty wild.

It makes complete sense to me because if you've ever just sat and listened to different music, like some can make you upbeat, some can pull you rate down, some, you know, at the Cornerstone Forum, which is happening May 10th, and I might add, and if you want to get some tickets to that, folks, you've got a couple days left.

What I wanted at the first one, I've only ever seen one played once, in my life live was harp and I got a harp at the coming for supper time at the next course or form because it is like angelic it's it is something straight I just like how sounds come off that thing it's and how it's played and oh man that's something so anyways I get it the music thing actually makes sense to me although your experience with it would be I don't know like did you just start listening you're like actually this makes boom I'm feeling I don't know I mean, you're taking chlorine dioxide at the time.

We started with, I'd only listen for like five minutes at a time. Like you had to work your way up because it does, it would make you dizzy and not feel so great. Yeah, that's how I knew it was working. Like it actually, it'd make you feel sick. Yeah, and you started with, was it filtered or unfiltered? And then they moved to filter as you progressed it. It was weird, but. But the lady who does it, you said,

But is also vaccine injured and had a lot of the same symptoms McKenzie had. So I think that was also helpful in that that's part of the leading edge is that lots of them are vaccine injured, that you can talk to them. And I think probably therapeutic just being able to talk to somebody else who's experienced the same thing when not many people around you have. Well, lots of people around you probably have, but our medical system will not, you know, maybe it's wrong now, maybe more and more. starting to talk openly about it, but as on a general, we don't talk about this, right?

Well, and you know, we don't, well, we haven't done a lot with the Canadian system since going with leading edge. No. So I can't even actually say yes or no to that because we haven't been going to our doctor because we didn't get the results in Canada that we needed. So I don't actually know if they are or not. I wouldn't say yes yet, but I can speak to that because of the people that I've been in touch with, right?

True. That just keeps going and going and there's new people. they're all Canadians and they are beat down from years in a lot of cases of trying to find help and can't find help. Just it's not there. No matter what they do, I mean, Michelle Wharton, you had her on. Yeah. This is, yeah.

Like, my goodness, she even has an idea that she wants to pursue and they're, nope, we won't help. Like, how long can those people go spending money trying to do it themselves? You know how heartbreaking it is to get a text every single day, like every single day right now, folks, of somebody with cancer trying to find a way out? Like, it is, it is brutal. That's the story of SV40. Yeah. Kevin McCurnan, Jessica Rose, Jack Cruz, SV40, it's a new world. And it's scary.

Cancer that has to be treated differently than traditional cancers from the experts. That's what they're saying. So, I mean, keep that on your radar. You never know what's going to. Well, the thing about it is, is the names you just listed off, though, right? Or the fact that, you know, you're sitting here and you have a vaccine injured girl and you've found a way back to where you're saying baseline. Would you agree your baseline?

You're like, man, I'm feeling. I'd say baseline in a month probably. Yeah, very close. Like, we can just say it because do you have anything? that hold you back? Yeah. It's been fun to watch. I'm doing the 75 hard.

I'm doing beach body, a program on there. I'm running. I'm walking every day. Sometimes three times because we have too many dogs. You can't take them all at once. Like the other day I just went, walked seven kilometers just with the dogs. One at a time, yeah.

I just exercise nonstop now. So I think in a month I'll probably be, I'd say fitness level like before Notre Dame. And not even fitness level. So you just finished finals. And not once, I would say, this go around. Did you complain that you were struggling with brain fog or having trouble remembering or having to reread things where you did in your high school finals?

I didn't know anything in high school. Like grade 12 was hard. Yeah. Because I was good at school, but like I just forget. And it's not that like I had test anxiety where I'd blank on a test. I just, I couldn't remember. I'll look at mom and forget what her name is kind of thing in grade 12. Well, we joke when you did the first podcast.

The first thing you did was ask Kenzie about herself and she told you she was 16 and she was 17. So brain fog is a real thing. It happens. We joke what it now, but it wasn't really funny. Like when you look back, it was not funny. funny. It's frustrating. I laughed. Yeah. Well, we laugh all the time matter, but. Well, at some point, I assume you just inject a bit of humor into the struggle, right? Well, I went dancing this. It was after chlorine dioxide, I think. Yep. I went out dancing and I had a

lot of fun, but then the next morning, my legs were shaky, like couldn't lift them off the ground, but I just found it funny at that point. She hasn't, it hasn't slowed her down, 19. No, actually, it's give her the ability to be 19. Chlorine diet. Yeah, making bad decisions. Dancing too long. Maybe a couple too many drinks. I'd say finally teenager years that I missed out on for two years. Well, you don't have to catch up all at once. Slow down.

Yeah, but dancing, dancing's fun, dad. Agreed. I can say that because my daughter's only seven right now. So she's going on 20, though. This event coming up. I should bring this up so I don't forget. And I should have had it pulled up. When is it? May 2nd.

Third. May 3rd? I'm sure it's the 3rd, is it not? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's from 3 till 7 at Bud Miller Park. I got it. Here we go.

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Lee and Dale and then Seth Bloom and others. So that is, did I say May 3rd? I should bring it up one more time. May 3rd. From 3 to 7 at Bud Miller Park Camp Kitchen. So that's the first. When you first go into Bud Miller, you hang right. I think it's right there.

Yeah. I think you can see it from the road. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the first one in there. So if you're interested in that, that is, I'll probably toss that out on social media too. But Saturday, May 3rd, 3 to 7, Budmiller Park. Yeah. Okay.

I don't know. Have you guys talked like have you talked to many things or is this something this is the first? Talk to you've never specific. Like you haven't spoken anything except for the podcast. Yeah. I specialize at one-on-one. I can talk to people one-on-one for days. I am fine.

I don't like large groups, but I guess I'll suck it up. What, you know, the word hope, you, you, Seth listens. Yes, I don't know. Maybe all of you listen to me all the time, but I know Seth listens all the time. You know the word hope and me don't really go together an awful lot? Because when I find it, I'm like, oh my God. Is that hope on the podcast? I'm like, some days I go home and I'm just like,

you need a cold shower, I need something to make me laugh. I just got to be around the kids because you get talking too many of these stories. And it's just like, man, the weight of the world right now in some of the hard times that people are going through. when you come in and talk like there's some hope folks for people listening watching or both

maybe walk me through that because that's been a long journey I assume to get to where you know like this hasn't been two days it wasn't like boom and it was all fixed you talk about this two steps forward one step back the old two step it's been a journey

but hope like is that something you found early on or has it been something that kind of slapped you in the face here? You know, well, I said this to Seth a while ago. And I first, I never wanted to say it because it bothered me. But I find God puts you in places you're supposed to be. And I'm not, I mean, Seth and I are married. We have the same beliefs, but I'm not as religious as Seth. But I do believe that.

And we had an instant, I want to say, when you were in grade six, we came across an accident on the highway over first unseen. And I think you're put there for a reason. did what we need to do and it's hard to say because it's your kid that's going through it you told me not to cry but I will no no I'll take and it wasn't just a normal accident it was it was a hitchhiker walking down the wrong way that walked out in front of a semi at night when we were coming home from Saskatoon and we were in the passing lane going by this semi that's breaking hard and thought I thought it was a bag of garbage but you saw a shoe on the road

But I saw something. You thought that she was a pile on. And she freaked out. Becky freaked out. So I turned around, came back and it was a body. So we parked in front of them, put our hazards on, hope no one was going to hit us. Because like, it's horrible. But the second vehicle, the third vehicle, come on.

No. No. So I got out in the dark and just waved my phone light and until the ambulance got there and kept people in the other lane. That one sucked. It did. But I think you would get put there for a reason because you could handle it, right? And it was something you could do. One of the things that's allowed on this podcast among free speech and lots of different things is emotions.

It's crying. Emotions okay. It's okay to be a human being. Well, but I said, Kenzie has, I mean, we've seen her at her worst when she's frustrated. Nobody else sees that. We usually take it out on them. Which is fine. I mean, that's who she's supposed to take it out on.

But it doesn't happen very often, I would say. Like, it's very infrequent that she gets frustrated when she does. she really do take it out on us but you let it out but she threw the whole thing like even if you go back in our video the first video Seth sister sent us when we went and picked her up from Notre Dame when she couldn't walk she was laughing through it like it was funny that yeah like there's a reason it happened to McKenzie where she has the positive attitude the drive to be motivated to improve um to want to get better to not give up And I'll say Seth too like full force whether or not we were happy with him at the time because he gets a one-track mind.

Yeah, I'm a deck when I want to do something. But without that, we wouldn't have found all the things and tried all these things and been able to source out things that you can't get in Canada, getting, you know, certain medications, certain supplements from Italy. Like all that stuff without those two things, you wouldn't see the hope. he wouldn't see all those things. So I do, I really do think it happened for a reason. Yeah, I went deep on a lot of things. Which sucks. And when I bought stuff, I didn't buy a little.

No. I bought a lot because in case it was the last time I'd ever get it. Like we could treat our whole town with some of them. Yes, we can't. That's not a bad thing. No. No. Hmm.

But I do, I think that's why. Like, I think it takes a, I don't know, takes a different attitude than not everyone can have. And I obviously don't have it all the time. So. A very dark human. though also true yeah well that did help actually and so does your brother which I think helped too he kept it very light because he just light he was mean to her he was

he never was 17 almost 17 I guess he said he was training me for the real world and which is bully me really hard yeah it worked though I'll give them that well I he probably yeah gave you a little reason to prove him wrong oh it was something His comeback was always your legs don't even work and what are you talking about you can't walk? That was his go-to line with you lots. Yeah, but like without that, yeah, we needed those late moments, I think, so Yeah, yeah, if it came up I was gonna do this and it came up. So I'm gonna try and answer a question you asked in the first podcast twice about how can we be joking and laughing with each other, you know, through some pretty dark stuff and So you go back to then that emergency visit you had after the hockey game when your legs were convulsing and wouldn't quit.

And I was back home with Thailand and started to drive. So I had a moment and this was for me. I know it was just for me. So if it comes through to someone and they understand it, great. If they don't, I'm fine with that too. So I was driving and it was one of those, well, you'll know that, Sean. farm kid pitch black night no moon no stars it was just dark right like you've seen those right like you just nothing and it's Saskatchewan right so i'm around maymont there's no houses no nothing

it was just dark and i'm driving along and uh that was when i had the the worry going through my mind that they were going to booster and i was serious about that i thought that was what they're going to do and i was spooling a little bit out of control and i looked out my driver window and it's just pitch black. I'm like, wow. Like, it was so dark, it was almost like, I don't know, almost scary. We use that word. That's not the right word.

Erie? Erie, yeah, there was no light. And, you know, it was a good distracting thought, but I snapped back to look ahead and I had my headlights there. And it dawned on me. I'm surrounded by darkness. I'm driving to Saskatoon. My family's in trouble.

The only way I get there is the light in front of the vehicle. Light overcomes darkness. That's how. I had hope. I was prepared in that moment with a silly little thing with light and dark for what happened when we got there. With Herbie being in closed doors, like my natural default position, I take everything too serious. And goes to anger, like quick. Yep.

I'd rather fight than talk most of the time. But I shouldn't say that. But kind of. You get what I'm saying. If I had to went into that hospital with that, I would have been in jail. They would have never got back to see her. Who knows what happened?

But I was prepared in that moment. I was softened. And I had a piece that hit me in that moment that didn't make sense. It did because I believe what I believe. But wow. Like it just mellowed me. and probably one of the toughest moments of my life.

I actually found my mom and had a chat with her after that because it just polarized the whole situation. And from that moment on, for whatever reason, how can we be light about it? We were light about it because I wasn't worried. Can I explain that? Kind of. But you know what I mean.

Just hope. Hope surrounded us. We didn't carry this alone. Anybody else? have much to add. Yeah, I just did something that, yeah. I didn't know if I was going to do that, but I did. I hope it makes sense.

If it doesn't make sense, that's fine. It makes complete sense. Yeah. Your husband ever tell you the story of asking me what went down in Ottawa and then me giving him four options and he's like, we all know it's spiritual? And I'm like, if you know that and everybody knows that, why don't we talk about it? And then we had like a two and a half hour long conversation. So he's been irritating me in the best possible way I might have.

for well that's that's years that's three years now too yeah it didn't take me long to give you that answer did it no it didn't you know like so I get I get the story yeah I get the story you look I mean by the time this air is we got a new prime minister don't know who that's going to be I mean you know if it's if it goes the right way for you or the wrong way for you because I don't know which way is the right way for you and you're happy you're sad today you know you use the driving in the eerie dark and you know you look ahead and the headlights there makes perfect sense to me i'm sure it does to a lot more people as well appreciate you sharing thanks any final thoughts from you ladies before i let you out of here i do appreciate you coming back in i

know that when we started this off it wasn't the easiest thing to step through the door and then as becky's like there's cameras yeah nobody told me that part No, I kind of left that out. I would just say, like, that's the other thing, is it opened up a world of conversations. Yes. With people that we didn't know and that were struggling. And some we did know. And some we did know.

It's for whatever reason, it's still a taboo topic, which I think is frustrating. Do you find that frustrating, Kenzie? I don't talk about it much. No, like, Kenzie's pretty quiet. She doesn't want to really acknowledge it. I carry out water for both of them. But Seth will, and I think that's important that people really. reach out because it is a thing that's happening.

I had someone say to me the other day, they didn't necessarily agree with what we did. And that it bothered me for days. So I called them on it and I asked what part did you not agree with that we did? Because we did, but we were supposed to be vaccinated her. And that didn't go very well for us. And it was going out of country was the problem, which fine. I mean, if you've had good experiences, I get that. But we've done everything we could too.

We tried to stay in country. Yeah, we did. We tried that and it didn't work. So going out is an option. And if it's something you have questions about, Seth's the one to talk to because we've been there for three years doing it. And it's what's helped Kenzie, unfortunately, that we had to leave. No, it was we were led to where we went and we have the outcome over that. Can I tell the story? I think so.

I don't know what he's asking. I don't know what he's asking. Well, I should ask before, but whatever, we're going to throw you under the bus a little bit here. Right at the very beginning when I knew we were in trouble, like that would have been like November, December of 22. 22, right? Yeah, anyway, I knew we were in trouble and I was digging everywhere, reading, I sent you a message and asked, can you ask some dissident doctors? Are there any options out there? and one sent you a message back to me

in the moment I read that message, I knew exactly where we had to go, I knew exactly it was the right place to go, and I went after it with everything I had. Francis Christian, by the way, who I've never met, thank you, if I ever do get to meet you. I think Francis is one of those doctors

that a lot of people hold in very high regard. His message told me exactly Leading Edge was the place to go and go there fast By what he said in that message I was clear that was where to go It's always funny on this side because I you know like what Seth did for me when I came back From Ottawa is my moment in time where I'm like

I really needed that because I was spiraling In a completely different way But you know that message I couldn't even it, I'm like... It wasn't for you. It was for me. Well, and the thing is, I was having... To this day, when I... It goes in waves, and right now the wave is cancer.

It is insane. It is depressing. And the thing about Maccas is, and this is for anyone and everyone listening, is you're sitting there, and you're going to share this with 20 friends because they're reaching out and trying to figure out the cancer thing.

And when I talk to Maccas last, which isn't that long ago, two weeks maybe, he said he's so overran with people reaching out that he can't. can't keep up to it and then you look at how he's being attacked by the Alberta government and everything else and you're like that isn't going to be easy on the guy and so what happens is

people get steered out of country for a reason yeah because if you're in Canada and you're talking about anything that's outside the box you're not going to be doing it for very long in the open no and they slow play with treatment if you can even get in so you're dead before you get treatment it's evil it's just evil and I'm going to throw one more one in there Sean the other trend that I've seen

and I keep seeing it like I talk to a lot of people is people who didn't get vaccinated that are displaying vaccine injuries now and they keep coming I didn't even want to I didn't even want to go here no but Seth

or Scott talked to me about the first time yeah shedding shedding and I believe in it I don't know. I don't know what everybody else thinks, but it's pretty hard to watch everything going on

and not go, what is happening right now? Well, don't believe you're lying eyes, because you're seeing it. Yeah. Like my brother, yeah, whatever, he'll be fine. He's full clots right now. I know I said that callously,

but that's how we treat each other. So it's all good. That's dark you are. But like out of the blue, he's not vaccinated. And out of the blue, like bad, lungs, legs, everything. Like he was in the hot. hospital for a week and what been waiting a month to see a hematologist yeah yeah let's let's

let's slow play that that's a great idea my goodness the brother who ran for uh yeah yeah same one yeah josh oh man oh he'll get through it yeah yeah for sure for sure why should yeah he'll get through that i better say it that way oops sorry josh to to any of the people out there that are having struggling, issues, anything, I assume you would point them to leading edge? Yes. 100%. Well, they've never stared us wrong at any point, even with these crazy ideas. No, not one.

Methylene blue. And the interesting part is he'll, Scott will like recommend something that I look at like, I'm sure Kenzie does too. Like that's freaking crazy. What are we doing? He's also tried all of it. But he's tried it himself. Seth will have heard of it even before Scott has mentioned it.

And so they're on top of it and it's, yeah, everything he's done. Six to nine months ahead of every other clinic out there and they have been from the beginning till now. It's not like you read something on Twitter and I already heard it at a leading edge. And they phone in for check-ins. Like we don't phone them to check it. They phone to check in on Kenzie and ask how things are going and where she's at if we're not having an appointment any time soon. And they truly care. Like they, you're not a number there.

You're a name. And they know what's happening with you. And the trust built fairly fast. I mean, our first appointment with LDN, low dose, naltrexone, at high dose, it's an anti-opioid. It's an addiction drug to get you off of opioids. But at low dose, which I had to read and I had to get off Google, I had to get on to dot, dot, dot go to find out at low dose, it calms the immune system. and almost every vaccine injury has a circulatory issue,

it has an autoimmune issue, it has a neurologic issue. Like these are all common between any entries. They're all there one way or another. So your immune system is so over-activated, it just shuts off. Just fatigue shuts off. This calms it down, lets it reset. It's slow acting. Like, I mean, it's two months built up in your body before it actually starts to work.

But crazy, right? First time, like, the trust exercise at the very beginning was tough because you'd read that stuff and you'd be like, it can't be. And you dig deeper and you're like, oh, brilliant. And you need to be an advocate because, like, I think you felt like every time we went anywhere in Canada, it went to mental health for you. Oh, every time. Like told me I was faking. Who, like doctors? Like a specialist.

Had me believing I was faking it for a while. That was the head of neural. Yeah. I was walking with a cane at that point. So you're suggesting. to me with a guy who deals with night I don't know if I should call it night blindness but it's very erratic this is before COVID I might add I deal with like blindness in my eyes and it rotates which makes it really interesting and quite confusing

and I've been the specialist in Eminton where they've done all the tests and I've explained it and that's the feeling I get they've never said you're making it up but they've they've tried like oh there's nothing wrong and I'm like nothing wrong And then I go home and then Mel's like, they told you nothing's wrong. Why the heck are you there then? I'm like, I don't know. Because they got to bill you. They got paid and they got to push you out the door and you'll go find a different doctor and try again and they get paid.

Yeah. I wonder why the system's broke. I should ask Scott about that, actually. Anyways, yeah, I've been dealing with night blindness and weird things that way. Even when you talk about... Um, um... Vertigo. Thank you.

I get the squiggles and I don't know how. better to explain it than I have to pull over on the side of the road and sit there for a bit and let them go away. And that's been for a while. So there people know my medical history. Self-advocate. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. So one of the things that's, that's a common thing with vaccine injured is they talk about how they get steered away and it's mental health and it's made up. And it's, I mean, like, that's the last one that Michelle Wharton was talking about, that she's making it all lot, you're like, well, and you can kind of get, yeah, oh, that's the other, yeah, that's right, that's right.

Yeah, but you can kind of get it when they do, they run tests and it shows nothing. They don't dig deeper, though, is the problem where Scott digs deeper. Yes. I mean, the Iliac vein proves that. That was something, nope, like, why would we have ever thought that? Scott's never met me too. He's only saw me sitting in a chair. Yeah.

All the other doctors saw me walking. Yeah. It's important to say how highly creative it was to look at the venous side. No one does. Why never you heard of it before? Like you said could you find it in Canada and get it done? No. We don't have that I know of.

We don't have experts that are focusing on this side. It's all on the arterial. That's where you have your problems. Well, and I'll say we were lucky we went because when we went in, we went for the Iliac vein because it was 85% collapsed. And when she went in, then we found out her, it was her inferior vena cava, which is your main return from your legs to your heart, was not getting blood flow through it. Yes.

So that's like, that's a. big, big deal where we thought it was kind of a minor deal that might help fix things, became a bigger deal. And when the doctor came out and looked at us with a quite serious face saying, thank goodness we went in. Yes. We would have never got that to had we not gone there. And we would have never realized till something bad happened probably.

No, we just felt like we went and did it. We didn't understand what we'd done until that's why, until it was done. And then that's why it was frustrating when it set your legs back. you know my goodness we just found the home run we're there nope anyway we still got there long long and twisty path yep with support i mean there's people that have supported along the way yeah mackenzie any final thoughts from you before we let you out of here maybe one um mom and dad can't talk on it but for my shoes like if someone was in my shoes i couldn't control the physical part so like i couldn't control that i couldn't walk, I couldn't control not playing hockey, but I could control the mental part,

and that's why I had a good attitude. And I had both attitudes. Like at the very start, I had probably the best attitude, and that's when my recovery was so fast. And then this December, when I didn't have a good attitude and was a little depressed, it made everything like 20 times worse. So I get the mental part is hard, but it is something you can control. So if your physical isn't doing well, I'd suggest if they're in my shoes to work on that and just find other things that are good. Like that's what I did my run. Yeah, you like put all your efforts into helping other people. When I wasn't walking, I wanted a project. So I organized a charity run. And that made me happy because it was fun to organize and plan and do all that.

And in true Kenzie fashion, it had nothing to do with what she went through. She picked something that... Oh my God, sir. She picked something that... That's a loud ringing. You know what it is? You woke up the people down the street. It is a piano so that I can remember to send kids in my class to their music lessons.

And we're on a week off, so I forgot to turn it off. Anyway, she poured her heart and soul to help other people because it was for MS. But she could relate to MS because some of her symptoms are the same. But because still thing, vaccine injury is still, there's. That can't happen. Yeah. So she picked something else, but it was helped other people, which was like, yeah, you focused on that hard. And are doing, I'll give you a little plug, are doing another run.

What date? May 25th. Oh, you should send us the details. We'll toss it on the mashup. Yeah. Let people know. Back in Turtford. Mm-hmm. Last year, we raised over $8,000 in our first year.

That's awesome. Yeah, it was pretty phenomenal. And it was pretty phenomenal to watch your kid who struggled right across the finish line. That was pretty cool, too. But no, that'd be my only advice, is if you can control the mental part, it helps a lot. And if you're the bystander, like mom and dad, don't try to say you know what you're going through, because that's frustrating. Yeah. Like having people who have had pneumonia and they say, yeah, I know exactly how you feel.

And that's not even the case at all. So if I think if you're the bystander and someone else you know is sick, I wouldn't. Trying to just be supportive and not. Don't tell them, you know what they're going through. Because that's really frustrating. And probably the only part that made me mad is people downplaying it and pretending they know kind of thing I don't know

it's a good way to finish I wouldn't be a Canadian if I didn't ask who you think is going to run the Stanley Cup Winnipeg You're going to Jets First team to bring the cup back to Canada and what is it 32 years and you're going to Winnipeg Jets

I have to I really like Helibuck really like Hellebuck So you were heartbroken You weren't heartbroken when Connor scored on him the Four Nation Cup? You were heartbroken.

That's how much going to like, interesting, interesting, interesting. I was, I was chained for him a little bit. But no, Winnipeg. Oilers aren't making it past first round. I can tell you that already. She called that before a game one, by the way. Ouch. Flame fan?

Who are you got? Colorado. Oh, they're going to come back. Well, and as people know, we recorded this. before everything. We really have no idea. Colorado, okay. T.O. I hate them.

No. Toronto Maple Leafs? No, I hate them. Get me straight, but they're playing. The Toronto Maple Leafs are going to bring, we got two people in here. This is interesting. All right.

Well, my team that I picked to win the cup this year is down 2-0 and not what you actually get it through the first round. So I've also been picking them for the last seven years. Well, I picked them until last game. Yeah. Man, rough. It's not even close. Thanks for coming and doing this.

And for coming and spreading a message of hope and hopefully for people out there that are struggling, they take something out of this. I'm sure there's different parts that they definitely will. But either way, thank you for coming and continuing to share your story with us. I don't know. I for one, appreciate it, and I can assume there's going to be a whole myriad of people that share the same sentiment.

Either way, thanks for coming in. Thank you. Thanks for having us.