Shaun Newman Podcast - #845 - Brother's Roundtable

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

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We got a new guy in it. We got, so Jay is really, he looks a lot better today, folks. A lot thinner, a lot more hair. I thought Jay got cut or something. So we got Dustin, Harley, and we're joined in studio Chris King. Chris, before we talk any sports, you knew this was coming. I know you can't talk about it, but you better explain to the listener why you can't talk anything Lakeland. Yeah, legally I can't talk anything.

Maybe someday I'll be able to share my story, but legally can't talk about anything right now. So we've invited Chris in to take Jay's spot because we're talking all things, NHL playoffs right now. So playoffs? We're talking playoffs. We're second round. You know, Oilers came all the way back. And if I go back to the first roundtable where we basically crapped on them and it was like full pandemonium, oilers are getting swept. They have become a different team. Last night was game one.

They outshot Vegas 2817. But the stat that shocked me, I was listening right at the end of the game. And I could have swore. It was either two or four shots. I want to say they only had two. even strength shots in the last 40 minutes of the game. The rest came on the power play. There was, after the first, Vegas had 10 shots.

So that means they had seven shots in the last 40 minutes, and they had five shots on the power play. So you've got two shots. And 40 minutes of play. Isn't that insane? Yes. Like for the first period, I thought Vegas looked like the better team. I thought they had the oil.

I thought the Oilers looked a little just, you know, they couldn't get a pass on the tape. Like, you know, Vegas was hemming them. in Vegas looked like they were doing different things than the LA Kings were doing, I would say. And that was causing a little bit of confusion. But after that, it was like 40 minutes and seven shots. I mean, I don't know. Two of them at regular strength?

That's pretty poor. You know, and I was thinking, well, maybe the Oilers had a crazy amount of block shots. They had 17 block shots and Vegas had 19. Vegas did miss the net quite a bit, but at the same time, too. I didn't think there's a lot of lanes, though, either. No, yeah, like Eminton did a very good job of... Eminton's forwards came back really hard all game. And they're using four lines so they can actually do that.

But Vegas had troubles getting anything going because the Oilers' forwards are always back. And that's a... When you're playing hockey, if the, if your forwards are coming back, the game becomes really easy because your defense aren't swamped all the time. And Petriangelo is out with illness right now, and you notice, you notice they miss them. They rely on them quite a bit. well I mean it's one of your top D but like the Oilers don't have echolm and we were all thinking while they're doomed right and the Oilers D you know clingburg started up yeah right huge huge addition for him I didn't think he was going to be like that for playoffs it's it's kind of like Connor Brown it took him while to get going like last year the same thing with Klingberg like regular season it took him a long time he wasn't even the starting lineup at the beginning of playoffs and once he got in the lineup all of a sudden their defense looked a lot better because he's playing really well. He moves the puck like that pass he made on I think it was the third goal up to

nuge. That was a fantastic pass that set up that goal essentially and he's making plays like that. Now he's a little bit high risk, high reward a little bit, but he's starting to play so well that you don't even notice his mistakes. It's just pivoting for him, I think more than anything that I noticed there's been a few times where he has a hard time pivoting. But like I listen to Stoff or before playoffs even started and he was talking, they had a guy on talking about that injury and he said like normally it takes a full year,

kind of similar to Connor Brown like you were saying. Yeah. Is it don't expect great things out of them in this playoffs, but by next playoffs he should be like fully up to speed and even better than what he was before. And he was an elite deal, like that's the thing people forget. He was an elite puck mover before, right? Like it's not like he was just hanging on

in the show. Like he was an elite player before. Right. Well, he was one of the top D-Off Dallas for years. Yeah. And I get your point about pivoting and the skating aspect of it, but Klingberg is a little bit like, what's his pickle? Pronger?

Oh, what's his pickle? Oh, what's his pickle? Oh, I know who what's his pickle is. Bouchard. Bouchard is who has meaning where they think more offensively than defensively as a defenseman. And so sometimes his decision making, he makes more dangerous plays than some D-Man. He's not a guy that just puts it up the boards and gets it out.

He actually looks for those passes up to Nuge. And if you go back a couple games, he tried to make a pass in front of the Mton net, and they almost got scored on because, but that's, that's who he is as a D-Man and you have to live with that. Having said that, there's so much that he's doing that's good. It overshadows the little bit of bad that he does from time to time, just like Bouchard. You can reg on Bouchard for his mistakes, but he's making such good plays all over the ice all the time. that once in a while the mistake, it's like, well, what do you do? Bouchard quietly put up another 27-minute game again, right?

And two points. Two points plus three, right? So. He might track down Bobby Oren points per game here if he keeps this up. It's, it's, yeah. I would have never thought that Bouchard could play as many minutes is what he's playing right now. I thought too high danger, you know, he does make some blunders, absolutely,

but for the amount of minutes that he's played, and for consistently, the game after game after game, all these are starting to look like they did last year, the team that went to the finals, essentially. Well, it's crazy the first two games at L.A. L.A.'s power play was lights out. They were absolutely dominating them. Everybody goes, oh, it's because the Oilers started using their depth.

And you're like, yep, the first two games, they looked awful. Now they hadn't been playing, and there's a whole bunch of things going on there, but it was just everything. Everything looked awful. There wasn't a good thing coming out of that, other than McDavid at the end of the game one where he just went to a different level,

will them to come within a, you know, cool, yeah, like they almost won it. But like they've been playing, they haven't playing something. And I mean, wasn't it, wasn't it, the coach Amminton who said, you know, as soon as he got tricettling McDavid, okay, fine, they're going to play together

and everybody else is going to kind of slot in and everybody started pulling their weight? It was easier because they won a line share of the time, but you don't have to split it. There's no juggling of the lines. There's no juggling right now. Everybody gets to play. But McDavid,

you don't actually notice McDavid on the dry saddle on the ice near as much, but when they are on, they're extremely impactful now. Well, and I'll, like the coach of Eminton has been brilliant because Corey Perry last year during the... Auburn.

Corey Perry during the play. You know, what's his pickle? Yeah, what's his pickle? That guy. Corey Perry last year during the playoffs, I didn't think was very good.

I thought he looked slow and behind. to play and just didn't look great. And what he actually found was a spot to put him in where he can actually think playing with McDavid and Dry Sighton. No, no, no. But here's the thing is that he thinks the game really well at an elite level. Now is his legs where he was when he was younger where he could go in and get the puck and all the rest of it?

No, but he's smart enough where he can think the game and elite level like those two guys. And so what that allows is also now your second line because of that, your second line now is Hyman with Nuge and Kane, which is an elite second line. If you actually watch, though, it's the same thing as OVee. Everybody sees him square of the goals and whatever. But if you actually look at OV's ice time, he's like terribly low in ice time. He goes on there, if the puck is coming back down. Are you talking ice time as in minutes?

Yes. Okay. So. So when it's in the defense. So when it's in the defensive zone, OV typically isn't there. When the puck starts going actually up. You're talking face off, sir, just in general. Just in general.

When the play comes up and they make a line change, OV will hop on. And then lots of times when the puck is going back out of the zone, unless it's just a quick turnover and it's, then maybe OV is going. But if they spend like 20 seconds in the offensive zone and then the puck is going, back down that way, OV jumps over the boards. Like he doesn't go back. And so he's not playing these long minutes in his own defensive zone where it's tiring him out.

And Perry's the same way. He still does come back, but the one blunder that he had in his own zone, it's because a lot of times he's not playing there. He's got like a 40 second shift and then he's done. So if they spend 30 seconds in the zone, as soon as that puck gets broken out, he's immediately skating to the bench. he's not they're managing his ice time because of his age a little bit and he he's a pest right like he's in front of the net he's a pest think about when he played for anaheim yeah exactly when he

played for anaheim there's no way anyone in this room liked him there's no way anyone liked them like you hated that guy but that's a guy you love to have and you hate to play against yeah you think florida picking up marshan exactly same like they like like like they playing it playing against those guys um before we switch to any other series just sticking on parry for two seconds like the one about him is he's getting up there. What is he 39 or is he 40 now? It turns 40 right right away here. Yeah, it turns 40. But he's playing, he's always played

with the best, right? He's been on every team Canada when he was on Anaheim, he was with Gatslap. He's always played with guys who can think the game at such an elite level. So to stick him on a line with McDavid and Drysadle, he gets forgotten about and he goes to the worst area which is in front of the net because if you

go attack Corey Perry, you leave McDavid or Drysiddle who are what, both top five in the league. So it's like what a top three like right. Like literally you're like what a what a spot to be on at his age and just be, you know, like they throw it up front in the net. You're just like, man.

So the other thing about knob lock in this is he managed to. So you move Perry up. That's one thing. And it was brilliant. At the same time you have to manage Hyman who's used to playing with. McDavid. McDavid and put up how many goals last year. Right.

Like that was probably not an easy conversation. I'm sure Kinger as a coach. Like that's an elite player like that. And you're like, well, actually, you're not going to be on the power play all the time. We're going to put. We're going to start with Perry and we're going to move it over to you. That's right. And we're going to play you second line with these two.

Now, I think Hyman's a good enough guy where it's just like anything to make the team win. And but at the same time, you know, that guy put up, what, 50 some goals last year? 54, right? And in the playoffs, you put up another. What do you think? Do you think that was an easy conversation? I think so. Because you're doing what's best for the team, right?

Like, everyone wants to play with those guys, but you look at, like, the amount of goalie touches Perry's had. Like, Perry's in the goalie every shift. Like, you're 40 seconds. He's touching the goalie every time. That's got to be so annoying. Hyman last night, that goal last night, his skill's still there. He's just not getting the same opportunities because there isn't as much space.

Actually, I was listening to someone talked about this other day, and they're talking about with guys like McDavid, D-Man actually try to get. give gap and they actually play with more space. So McDavid and those guys have more space to make plays than lesser skilled players where they get cramped on their spacing, right? Because D-Men are more aggressive. They know they can get the puck.

So whoever plays there is- They're less worried about getting danced. Getting beat. Yeah. We always bring it back to noon hour hockey, right? There's certain guys that you're, you know, Jay comes down. You're not really worried about getting danced, right? You know, but if you got somebody-

What a-blowing the doors off you see? You can play them tight. It's a big circle. It's a big circle. It's cool. If you're an Emmettoyler, you're Zach Hyman, the thing about getting slotted down, having McDavid and Drysell in the same line,

and being able to roll, one of the things we've always talked about, it's got to be tough to be on the Oilers when you're the fourth line and you're getting like four minutes a game, or you're even the third line and not getting that regular of a shift. By doing this and by all lines rolling,

and by the penalty kill having their, you know, penalty, they're out there go, you don't, you know, only against LA when they're running five-fourth and they couldn't figure out how to stop them. Did you start to see, McDavid on the P-K, now everybody's getting their ice time. At least, I'm not sitting here saying McDavid isn't playing a lion's chunk of it and Drysettled. They certainly are. But now everybody's

starting to see a regular shift. And you're starting to see the benefits of that. When they showed the scoring off of LA series, McDavid's line had, I think it was six goals. I think Drysettle had three, McDavid, two, and Perry one. Forgive me if I'm a little off on this. The next line had six. The next line had five. And the fourth line had three or four. And there was only one guy who didn't have a goal and that was pod coles him and you go that's depth scoring that's starting everybody's getting in the game and when everybody's in the game well then you're engaged everyone's engaged everybody's moving their feet the other team now has to start throwing their best lines against you know teams they're gonna man like take some you know cane in them taking runs

of guys and hit and just starts to pot coals and man i i i enjoy watching that guy the swagger of connor brown has right yeah it's crazy last night it's like last year it took them three rounds I think to start to have that low, like he's got that swagger back now. And that goal last night was ridiculous. That was against Shea Theodore, like, outside of Petro Angelo. Like, he's the best demon. He's the best demon, and he walked him and then went in the score. That was a lunch hour move.

I'll tell you that. That was a lunch hour move. It was impressive. Washington loses 2-1 overtime to Carolina. We're talking about the shots in the Eminton Vegas game. game, Carolina outshot him 33, 14. Like, Carolina's doing what they always do. The shot attempts were through the roof for them again.

That is their MO. That is what they always do. But like, once again, you know, we're talking about Vegas only being able to put up up 17, 7 after the first period. Vegas, sorry, Vegas 17 and 7 after the first period. Washington 14 shots all game long. So, I don't know if anybody else had seen this. that, but this is the 70th time Carolina has shot 35, or had 35 shots on net, 70th game this

year where they've had over 35 shots on that. The next closest is Colorado with 37. Yeah, so what do you think Brenda Moore's telling them to do? Pucks on net. Pucks on net. And Logan Thompson is such a good goalie, right? Like, I mean, it's a two one game, right? Like, and Washington had their opportunity. to win that with only 14 shots. Carolina, it could have been a little bit bigger of a blowout too. I think Carolina had three posts in the first period or something like that. Like they were all over.

So Washington in the first round played Montreal that was kind of a speedier team, but really small. And Washington just leaned on them. The thing about Carolina is, they're just bigger, stronger, faster than what Montreal was. And Washington, like, just looks big and slow now. And that's the problem they're going to have with Carolina. is Carolina and they put a ton of pucks on the net. The GM for Carolina actually built that team to essentially do that. He's a fancy stats guy from back in the day, Eric Tolski.

Fancy stats. That's why Dust likes him so much. You can say advanced analytics. You remember when Corseena all that jazz was hitting its height? How many years ago was that? It was in the dark days of the Oilers. Dust is trying to talk to us about. Corcy.

Corsey and he's peeling all these fancy stats and he's like, oh, this guy's good. You know what they said? Corson? Who are we talking about here? So if you noticed on the broadcast last night, shot attempts was right on there. What is shot attempts? Essentially,

Corsey. Anyhow, so when you get to shot attempts. It didn't matter how good Corsey Emmington Oilers had. They sucked. Right? We had 10 years. Well, those guys,

that's when those guys were justifying Terry Hill and all those guys, right? Of course he was justifying them. Yeah, that's right. The fancy stats weren't good for the Oilers back in the day, for the record. And they weren't for a lot of years. I actually, for the last couple of years, I've liked the Oilers because, well, they're good.

They're just plain good. Now, visually, you can see that. But according to the statistics, dust, what does that say? No, no, no, but statistically, the Oilers, the fancy stats show the oilers are good. Visually, they're good. So you can crap on the fancy stats, whatever. No, the fancy stats are great. I just remember when it was the big to do, you were trying to explain all the stats to us.

They're like, uh-huh, uh-huh, just go watch them. They suck. What I quickly realized is the brothers weren't smart enough to understand the fancy stats. Devin Dubnick went and played for different teams and played fantastic. And then the Oilers net, he was awful. I didn't need fancy stats to tell me. I want to watch one game. Like, what was that?

What was that? We didn't win anything with that. Anyhow. So Carolina's been built around essentially large shot volume. As you just said, they 70 times this year they exceeded 35 shots. And so they're built around speed and shooting the puck essentially. And they looked at last night, and I think Washington in general is going to have a problem with them, which I thought before the series.

I mean, they got, I don't know if it's quietly, but a Brent Burns sitting there on the defense, right? And he isn't their top D. And yet he, for years, was one of the most legit DEMON in the entire NHL. And so their defense is fantastic. They're probably one weakness is goaltending. I don't know if any of us look at Anderson and go, he's the guy. But when you only put up 14 shots, it's the picker. only getting 17.

He's going to make a couple big stops, which is nice. He's just got to be good. He's just got to be good. He's just got to be good. Once again, he didn't have a 900 save for said it. Washington, as long as he's solid. Washington Thompson has to be great every game.

Yes. Yeah. Well, and he has been. Toronto. Toronto and Florida. Stalars gets the bump. Do you think that was intentional by Bennett? Oh, I'm sure it was intentional.

It would be the same way as Perry accidentally running into it. goalie I what did it look terrible though no to me like I don't know like that seemed a little bit of a he was pushed but you guys think like you those guys are elite they have elite body control like you can control your hips and your hands in that situation yeah like it's just that little extra right like of course you're trying to do it all the time you look at like how many times cane and Perry are falling on goalies like by accident like first round Perry where he falls on him and then he's just kind of laying there. Like, oh, I can't get off.

It's like your little brother. I looked at Connor Brown got that penalty last night for running into the goalie where he got hit in. I thought that was actually worse than like the elbow to the head. Pretty crazy to see a goalie puking on the side of the bench. That was weird. Especially delayed, right? Yeah. So the thing about it was, I didn't think, like, I didn't think it would cause that bad of a concussion.

Like I'm guessing he's out tonight. Well, so technically it should be, to be clear it, it should be like five to seven days because they'd have to go through the protocol. I don't know what the NHEL is, but usually if you get a concussion, you have to do like a return to play. So NHL would have their return to play, but I can't see him playing until game four probably would be my guess. That's a big hit for them because he's pretty solid back there. Yeah. And the tides turned really quickly when that happened, right? Well, and for the, I'm with Arles on this one.

for the bump it was to have him like that where he's throwing up. Like I'm assuming that him throwing up was a, due to the concussion, right? Like that's a bad concussion to. Well, and I don't know if any of it had anything to do with it, but he did take like a slap shot right to the mask. Before then. Like 12 or 15 seconds before that.

So maybe that was part of it. And then getting hit, yeah. So the one thing that surprised me about Toronto, I thought Florida could control to play more, and I thought it was more even, or I thought Toronto dealt with Florida's grinding kind of game really well, which surprised me a little bit. Now it's game one, so we'll see where it goes from there.

Everybody's going to make adjustments, right? And losing Stolars could affect the series for sure. But anyway, it was the best. I thought it was the best closest game out of the three thus far. He, Stollars has been playing excellent, right? So them losing that is a hurt, but WALB been playing, you know, majority of the year, right? More a good chunk of it. So I'm happy because my draft just got my goalie back.

Drafted the wrong goaltender. So that helps. That helps. We might have been making fun of Sean since the draft that he picked. I just, I could foresee this. Yes, thank you, Sam Bennett. Those are tough goals, by the way, to come off the bench and give up that deflection right away and then over the shoulder, those are too tough. The fact he hung in there was impressive because those are tough goals.

The one that deflected twice, the off his own player, boop, and it just, just, that's one you're just like, that sucks. Yeah. But he's,

how many inches shorter is he, like, you just look at like the amount of room, the stallers takes up. Like, there's just not a lot of shooting area there. That's why I've always said, you know,

people talk about Skinner and, you know, whether or not he'll see playoff action. I'm like, oh, I could see it. He will, yeah.

Like, he's a completely different. style goalie than Pickard and all of us other fans know for four straight years the LA Kings have exposed the fact he has no lateral movement he cannot go post to post I do not get it and every year they just start doing

the rap rounds and they go in the net and you're like okay and so then you put him Pickard because he's got way better lateral movement but he's a smaller goalie you can just tell everything's up high and he has a problem with that and if Skinner's in net like you think the 17 shots last night I mean

there's a way he enters back into the playoffs at some point. Unless, I mean, Pickard's on five in a row. It's hard to not just keep going. Right now, though, than that is Pickards. Until he has one blow-up game. Yeah. Yeah, you just got your number one goalie sitting on the bench,

and you can see where he can be, I'm sure they've talked to him, said you'd be ready to go at any point, because if Pickard fumbles, we need you to be. It's happened last year when they made the Stanley Cup finals. Isn't that the most interesting dynamic, right? You have your starter. Who knows one screw up, he's going back. in and your backups in there knowing that I can't mess up at all or I'm done like that like that say

what you want about goalies but like how mentally tough they have to be to be just knowing like we're cheering for each other but at the same time you let in three you're done like this is my showdown when when when uh when he led in two against L.A and I wondered last night when he led in two they were talking about him looking over to the bench and oblock not looking at him yeah he keeps looking away here yep like no don't don't you look at me you're fine type type mentality. It's great coaching though right like I'm not even even thinking about it? Get that thought out of your head, right? Mentally, just stay in there.

You ever have a kid play a sport and they, like, cut up their knee or something? You're like, nope, not going to look. If I look over there, they'll start crying. Same kind of mentality. Well, did you see the, like, 40 minute, like the five-minute special that Kobe Armstrong did with Pickard? I didn't. I didn't see that.

No, they had a play before last night's game, and it showed his, his, his, like, road to playing for the Emmington Oilers. Yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts. It's like this journey of like HL team to overhear to Oh, I got a cup of coffee And it's like five or six NHL teams

To finally be in the starting spot Which is, you know, only ever happens in the playoffs When Skinner falters and then it also needs to get Kelvin Pickard in there So probably why Pickard's all right right now Even though he has that kind of pressure and he knows He knows that one bad game and he's toast Is probably because he's 33 and he's done the long route to get there Right?

Like Always had to prove. himself. That's right. And so he's been under he's been under this pressure his entire career. Like they keep shipping them around and so he's gotten used to the mental You're too small, you're your hand's not getting up, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Lake Erie in the HL, Colorado and the NHL, San Antonio in the HL, Colorado in the NHL, Toronto Marley's in the HL, Maple Leafs, Philly, Arizona, Tucson, Grand Rapids, Detroit, Vienna and Austria, Detroit Grand Rapids, Detroit, Grand Rapids, Bakersfield, and then finally to Hamilton.

And what you're missing in there is, I'm sure he said he got picked in the expansion draft for Vegas and never played a game, played an exhibition game in there too. So like this guy, can you imagine? That's a trail right there. Can you imagine being NHL, HL, and then having to go over to Austria to play?

Like, at that point, you probably think you're done. Well, you think you're going to be there for like 10 years, right? Remember you're going to play out your days in Austria? Well, wasn't it Tim Thomas for the Boston Bruins? Yep. He played over there. He played over there and found his way back and then went on to win cups or a cup. Right?

And he had a... That's happening a little bit more, though. You just said it. You said it. They're going to win the cup. Hey, what did I predict at the start of this? Anybody recall? Everybody laughs at me every year.

Eminton Oilers, Toronto Maple Leafs Final. And Oilers taking it. That's what I... I would love to see the viewership for that. It would be crazy. Yeah. Like the Canadian viewership. They were saying...

The two game seven last weekend for the NHL was most viewership they've ever had combined for U.S. and Canada. And what game sevens those were? Yeah. You know, tonight you got Winnipeg's game one, but just to hold on the game sevens from the weekend. So Colorado plays a phenomenal game up two O and rantanin who they traded at the start of the year, goes to Carolina, finds his way back to Dallas, who they play in the first round, and, you know, he's having a decent series. I'm not saying it's good or bad. You know, like he's had a decent series. And in that game, they score four unanswered to win it. He gets a hat trick and has points on all

four goals. And he goes to a different level. That's, like, that's a story. And then the hockey player in me watches the handshake and him talking to all of his ex-teammates. And that was pretty cool too. Like just that was a crazy game. Crazy. I was trying to explain it to my kids as I'm watching this. Because like that's a pretty rare thing to see. Super emotional game. Yeah.

You can't, the karma in sports is real. Like there's a karma thing in sports. Like when you saw that happening you're like, part of you is like this is so awesome for this guy. But like the GM has got to be like, oh my God, I can't believe. Because the guys didn't want them to leave is what I had heard, right? A lot of the... You could tell it in the

you tell it in the Hitch. Yeah. This is a straight GM money decision, right? It was what it was. It was a money decision. And internally, it sounds like Colorado decided that he wasn't, you know. The path? The guy kind of thing.

Well, he looked like the guy this past weekend. Colorado's GM said that he didn't want to have all his money tied up and four guys because then it spreads. With the team too thin. And so they chose to get rid of Rantan in order to allow more money. for the rest of the team. Which those are the tough decisions you've got to make. But now you're going to live with it. You just lost the decision.

Yeah, ranton and looked. You know, when he played Emmington the first time with Dallas, he didn't look himself. He kind of looked like, but that game, holy man. Like, he gets a lucky break on the one he wraps around off the defenseman's foot and in the net. But like, he was a beast out there. So the GM of the Colorado might not get fired tomorrow or next.

year but at some point he's coming he's going to get fired and one of the big reasons is going to be that trade now and that's the problem as a GM when you when you trade top-end players if it comes back and this is like the most spectacular way for it to bite you in the butt instantly but but these are these are the moves that get you fired essentially and it might not be tomorrow or next month but at some point he's not going to be able to live that down and they'll fire him because of it this is typically a though why GMs have a clause in the contract that say they're not allowed to be in our division.

Which they did, they did, right? They did. And then they got traded back in. And that's the karma part, right? To Carolina, other side of the world. I don't think it's a clause or anything in their contract or anything like that. It's GM going, I can't have this guy in my conference because if this happens. You see that in football all the time.

Yeah. And so you trade him out of conference. But once he's out of your control, he's out of your control. and at that point anything can happen. Winnipeg Jets game 7. That was wild as well. So you're talking to two game 7s. Winnipeg's down 3-1 with two minutes and change on the clock.

They pulled the goalie. And I'm sitting there thinking, you know, it just seems as an oiler fan. There's no lead that's safe with two minutes. Golly pulled. You better score the empty net. So they score one. And they're like, oh boy, here we buckle up because this is about getting interesting. And then they, St. Louis Blues,

fire the puck and it goes over the net. So all you had to, like, I don't know, six inches lower. Was it a foot lower? I don't know what it is. That one's going to haunt him because it was straight on the net. It was just over the net. It was icing. They come back and they score with 1.7 seconds or six seconds.

Yeah, one point six seconds. This is wild, right? There's moments in time in every series that something happens and you're like, oh, crap. Like that's. Byfield chip. Yeah, I was going to bring a Byfield's chip. right? Like if he chips that out it's done. And L.A. do they

win that series? They go up 3-1. It's a good chance. It makes it hard. It's a good chance. They win that. And the whole Winnipeg, St. Louis thing, you're like, yeah, just won. And it eats away guys for years after that. That's why Byfield will never forget that is because that'll haunt him for

until he's, the rest of his life. Especially if they win the cup this year. Yeah. Did you imagine? Like losing to the cup champions? Both those atmospheres, were unbelievable. Like to watch on TV, the game sevens. Yeah. Like my wife who's like, she watches hockey playoffs.

She stood up in the Winnipeg game. She's like, this is unbelievable. She was standing up, like drinking a beer on the couch. And I was like, okay. I'm not the only one feeling this right now. So I was actually at the Kid Scotty Minor Hockey AGM when that game was going on. I had the game on my phone. And the two guys beside me, we sat there and watched the overtime because the meeting

Seems productive. Seems like a productive. So you're like, you've got to vote on something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. But we had the game sitting there because, wow, it's game seven,

right? I want, I wouldn't ruin the guys that, I just ruined my reputation. I'm sure it's got on my own. I was going to say, yeah, I'm sure we're a reputation of hold anyways,

does. We look forward to those changes, though. Game one tonight, Winnipeg, Dallas. Any thoughts? Shifley, Morrissey, and there's one other, are all game time decisions. They were practicing in no-contact jerseys.

I mean, Winnipeg found a way to do it without those guys in the lineup and lets us, you know. Morrissey wasn't until he got injured game seven, I think. But you know what I mean? They found a way and you go for a series against Dallas, I can't see them winning without those guys, so they need them at some point. But I've thought since the start

that that Dallas Colorado, whoever won that was going to the conference final. That's like I just, Winnipeg struggled with St. Louis, they're not on the same level as Dallas or Colorado. Now Dallas won that series and they look really freaking good. Plus it sounds like Heiskenon's coming back and Robertson's coming back as well, which means they're only going to be stronger and deeper. Like Heiskenen's their best defenseman. Him and Harley, right? And Robertson's their top forward essentially. so, wow, maybe you're ranting, but whatever.

It's one of the top forms. And so I sit there and go, I think Winnipeg's going to have a hard, really hard time dealing with Dallas in general. And Dallas might be the team that goes all the way. I agree. And for Hellbuck to play as bad as what he did throughout that series and for them to come out of it, to me, Helibuck has got to be otherworldly. But isn't this been Hallibuck's M.O.? Yeah, it has.

phenomenal regular season goalie. I'm sorry, Jets fans. But that didn't surprise me. Like, you know, they found a way. He was very average. And over time he was... Not very average. He was awful.

He was awful. He was terrible. For him to be in the Vesna conversation... No, he's probably going to win the Vesna. And to be brought back down, like, he... Stuart Skinner played better than Hallibuck in the first round. Like, Hella Buc got pulled three times. Yeah.

Got pulled twice. He didn't get pulled twice. Three times, did he? Yeah, I think three times. Three times. That's a little tougher to go back on. Like, you get pulled once, okay. But then after that, that starts becoming like a mental thing every time you go back in, right?

You know what's funny is... And the Winnipeg Jets can't sit Hella Buck down. They have to start him every game. And he's... And he's a 30-s save percentage. Where's... What is it? 830.

Yeah, 8-30. Ouch. So the funny thing about that is if you talk about Ford's defensemen, we can always have... Every year we have a conversation about while he's a playoff performer, he's not a playoff performer. And we just take it for granted with forwards and defensemen. Like, we have this conversation every year. Claudeau mew was.

For sure. If you look at- Cory Perry. That's why he's on the team. Right now, Connor Brown's making a case for us. For sure. If you look at Florida, they got a bunch of guys that are just playoff performers and you know it, right?

And that's why they won the Cup last year. That's why they went to the cup final in the year before that. But when it comes to goalies, you never, like, you kind of think about it, but you never really talk. about you know playoff performers or guys who are not good in the playoffs because it shouldn't matter that much with the coleys but with hella buck you go like he goes from being the best goal in the NHL in the regular season to and it's not just this year it's a number of years

where he's they used to good they talked about with quarterbacks in the NFL right the great regular season quarterback and then they hit the playoffs and they can't win and you just think oh it's one game and winner take all and if it was maybe a series they'd have better but over time you like you start to look at you go that is strange Why can't they seem to win when it matters? Well, it's got to end. It's all mental, right? Like, it's all mental.

I don't know. Kinger, you've coached it some of the highest games, especially recently. Yeah, I think playoffs is like a little bit different because of the time and speed and pace, right? I think everything that you get used to in a regular season, once playoffs and you guys have been in playoffs, there's just more adrenaline. Everything happens quicker. I think once you get in that spiral, it's really hard to get out. Like some of those goalies, you guys have all played on teams where you know you're just good back there. no matter what, and you don't have to worry about it.

And those times that you see your goalie let in a soft one, and then everyone else plays a little bit tighter because you know, like, shit, we can't give up that chance again because that could be in the back of the net. Like, it's a confidence thing for the whole team. But same thing with quarterbacks. I think teams really figure it out in playoffs. Like, if you look at, like, the last, like, chunk of regular season games,

the teams aren't pre-scouting as hard in that stretch if they're already in playoffs, right? But in playoffs, they're taking away almost every main option entering the zone. they're taking away your best look on the power play, right? Like everyone's scouted very well, especially the goalies. Like you talked about like Pickard High,

like look at all those shots. They're all, everyone shoots in the same spot. Like that's a full scout, right? So I think you just get scouted harder, I think. Yeah, but we're not talking about going from Bezna to just being good. Right.

Terrible. To be able to Bezna to being the worst goaling the playoffs. So that's now you're talking yips almost. Yeah, well, that's what I mean, right? Like it's got to be like, it's like, okay, you go from Vesna to just being. good. I get that. But you're talking about it's got to be mental where he's

inside his own head and he can't get out of it. Like the one time we came back for one of the events and I was talking to him, well there was a group of us. You're talking Redding? Redding. Redding. Yeah. Just talking about playoffs and

you know, mental and just for a defenseman. So this is defenseman. This isn't a goalie, which is even more mental of a game. But he was talking about like your routine becomes so tight that even on your right on your off days it's still the same regiment like for that stretch this is what just happens throughout that day and he said I used to have used to have it wasn't opera but it was

something like that where I didn't listen to anything else except for that stuff before a game because I didn't want to bring myself up. It was naturally... That's a Holti thing too, I think. You're naturally... Calm down. Yeah, you're trying to keep yourself calm for as long as possible because you know as soon as the game comes, it's going to be such a high, and you're

going to need all your energy through that game. Well, I mean, I can speak from... So I got the Cornerstone Forum coming up, and we just did the 12-hour live stream. And those are my big days now, right? So this is your playoffs? Yeah. Yeah. Honestly.

And the emotional roller coaster that, it took me probably four or five days after the 12-hour live stream to start to feel like I'm back to myself again. And then as soon as I do that, now I'm, you know, four days away from the Cornerstone Forum and the stress goes way up off the Richter scale again. And by the time it's done, I'll be a hollow man again and I'll have to slowly build it back up. Now, take that over two months of up-down, up-down, you're winning overtime, you get shelled, all over the place, you know. I think back to Jordan Schneider.

Shout out to Jordan Schneider. When we were playing in Helmont, and we had all those years we made the finals, and we'd go to double overtime against Meadowlake, and we'd win, and then the next time we'd go to double overtime, we'd lose. He told me one time having a track ride, he's like, I just don't know if I could keep playing this. Like my emotion, I'm having a hard time dealing with the ups and down.

We're not winning 10-1 every game. It's a, and that's what you want. That's a playoff hockey. and that is different than like regular season because you go lose a game, okay, you're 27 and 18 and you're making the playoffs or 42 and 20 and you're making the playoffs or whatever the number is.

When you get to playoffs and it's, you know, okay, it's a best of seven and then you each win one. Now it's the best of five. Then you each win one. Now it's a best of three. Now it's a game seven. And you win it. But then you've got to prep because two days later

you're playing, well, in Winnipeg's case, the Dallas Stars. And they both just did the, exact same thing. You can be high for a day and then you've got to get back to a baseline and you've got to approach the game all over again. Some people love that. Some people, it's hard on the emotions. As a coach, National Champ coach. That's right. Former. How did how did you manage that for your girls? So actually what we did, so I don't think there's any way except experience. The problem once you get in those environments is that becomes like your litmus test.

like that's your bar so like once you come off a national championship you're only used to that so you're used to that level of noise you come in the next year for a regular season game and it's half that you can't it's hard to get your adrenaline up but what we did for the whole probably the last half of the season when we hosted nationals is i streamed crowd noise in the speakers as loud as i could so they couldn't hear anything so all the practice it was chaos it was super annoying it was clapping and stuff like that so So we were trying to just get that environment where you couldn't hear anything. Because the first time we went to Nationals, we played VIEU in the first game.

And we had to use signs to, like, communicate because it was just so loud. And we were flustered because we had never been there before. I think there is something to, like, being there before. But the real scary thing is for all these teams, let's say win or lose this year in the playoffs, you can't replicate that till next year's playoffs. The regular season doesn't do you justice. You have to learn from it and hopefully build. And that's why you see some of these teams.

And hopefully this is the Oilers. make those gradual steps up each year realizing these little things are going to be the things that push us past that we screwed up on the first time. Well, and you kind of see with some teams after they go to the finals or win the cup, the next year in the regular season, they're just kind of okay. Every sport, yep. They just drop. Like you look at Florida or Eminton this year, like, were they good?

Yeah, they were good, but were they great during the regular season? No. But they've been to the emotional high, and regular season just is kind of whatever. Right? They want to get back to where games matter again. And so you see that. The one thing I wanted to get Kenner to comment on is with some players, with all players, sometimes they get almost in a track with their mind where they're focused or hyper focused, where they're in a rut and they have troubles getting out of that. And as a coach, you try and like getting them out of that rut where it's almost like a self-talk or a self-belief of what is going on. And you have to get them, snap them, almost snap them. nap them out of that to get them focused on something else. Any comments on that? Yeah, so we're lucky we have really great sports performance coaches that we work with like in our company Golden Ticket.

But for most of the athletes by that time, they have like a trigger word or trigger memory. So when they get in that mode, we ask them to go back to a time, visualize when they played well or everything was working and get that feeling. So we talk about that quite often before games and in warmups, just get them to think about optimal performance. And then with a lot of athletes, I ask them to give me a trigger word. So if you're screwing up, like it might be cow, right?

If I say cow, that's just your click to like refocus next play. So different athletes have different things. But that's something as a coaching staff, we work with them. And then they work with the sports performance coach. And it's a gradual process because when we all came through, if someone said we want to work with a sports performance coach, you're like, that's crazy. We're not, we're not doing that. I was thinking the sports performance coach was,

playing guilty. Honestly. Right. You watch the Bo Sox come back against the Yankees. If you go watch the news documentary,

they, what do they do? They take a shot. They take a shot. They take a shot of, I can't even remember. I think it was rum or something, wasn't it?

Yeah, at the ball field. And then they did it every game until they won. And the year we beat Dewberry, we lose game one. And, shout out to Brandon Shesnik, right?

Because I would, I would, my brain was wired coming from, you know, Larry Wintoniak, who's at the Senton. Shout out to Larry. He's at the National Championship for Junior A in Calgary starts Friday this week. Is he head coaching? Head coaching, fighting walleye out of Thunder Bay or that area.

Fighting walleye. That's a great thing. Give me a t-shirt of that. That is awesome. Weird story. A took of it showed up in my house. I have no idea where it is. I sent him a picture of him. Is this your team? He's like, yeah. I'm like, I have no idea. how this showed up in my house. Like, I don't know if a kid worked. Is the logo?

Like, does the wall I have tea? He's got to be getting hooked. He's got to be getting hooked. It's, it's, it's, it's awesome. Anyways, show it to Larry, because Larry had just drilled it into our head, you know, you go back and you focus. You go back and you focus. In walks, Brandon Shesnik and, uh, um, Dugan, Tyler Dugan.

And we sat and drank beer in the room after and Shep, he was just like, we just got to relax. You need to relax. You know? And so there was like, I don't know. Was there six of us in the dressing room? Had won too many. Play guilty the next day.

We went out in one game two. Now, the story goes on and on and on. But I used that. That was how I, now that's senior hockey. That's not national. And I'm sure people are laughing. Just for the record. We're talking senior hockey to, but it's funny.

Because you have to be loose. You have to be loose. And you have to get. What's funny is sometimes you need to tighten the team up because they're too loose. Right. And then sometimes they're so tight that you need to loosen them up. And that's, well, that's the challenge. And I think, you know, when we won the national championship,

the difference of being there and winning a bronze and winning. National championship is Saskalda folks, you know? I mean, it's the same. Shut up, Sean. Championship is a championship. But our group, most of that group was there both times. Yeah. And the second time you're there, you realize, like, you have nothing to lose.

Like, you have to just play. And we were just looser. Like, we played looser than they did. And you could tell as the game got tight, they were really scared to lose. And we weren't. We just played. and those teams that play tight and scared to lose, you see it in hockey,

you see it in basketball, football, like they make mistakes because they're so conservative. Well, they give up too many chances because they're so conservative, right? Like, like just going back into a shell, like prime example, yeah. And that's sometimes players and that's coaches at the same times. Well, if you go back to Belichick and the Patriots back in the day,

that was the thing that they drilled into them was, you know, it doesn't matter what the score is, keep playing essentially. Don't get into this defensive shell where you're giving up stuff. You've got to keep attacking and going after them, whether it's... Do your job. There's no, like, experience.

There's, you can't change it. Like, that's what you need. You need it. And that's why Corey Perry, I think, you know, him being in the dressing room, he could probably gauge if the boys are tight or they're too loose, right? And as Connor McDavid and Leon Drysaddle get deeper and have more playoff runs, they can probably tell. And then they start to have this.

group that what do they keep saying about it? Doesn't matter. They're five games in a row. They've given up the first goal and won five in a row. It's a first in NHL history. I hate all the stupid stats, but I mean, regardless, first time in NHL history, a team is given up the first goal and five games in a row and one five in a row. So you're saying that there's good dressing room guys and then there's not good dressing room guys? And how do we, how do we put that into statistics? We're talking about Taylor Hall, aren't we? We're definitely talking about Taylor I want to change us. I want to change the stuff like that.

Taylor Hall will not leave us alone. It's five years later. Hey, hey, hey, Taylor Hall's on Carolina. They looked pretty good last night. Anyhow. A believer. Believer. This is why you also need, like on the ice, you need a variety of different

styles of players. In the dressing room, the same thing. You need the same thing because some people are naturally more serious in nature, but you can't just have all serious players. You need that person who can, you know, back everybody up, loosen everybody up. Call it a connector. I call it a connector that can gauge everything.

Yeah, the gel, whatever you want to call it. And so you can't just have all, but if you had just all the, yeah, that's chaos. All the gel guys, then all of a sudden they wouldn't, you know, you need some serious people in there as well. Yeah. So. And that's the cool part of making a team, right?

Like everyone knows who the high end players are, but every, think about any team you guys played on that was winning, you guys had some dude that did the dirty work or like made the big play or was is the guy that kept everyone together in the locker room. Like sometimes that's more important than your star guys, because everyone knows where the stars are, but these are the guys that give the team energy. And I always think that the heartbeat of the team,

lots of times, isn't your best player. It's those role guys that give the heartbeat to the team, and they play off of their energy, whatever the sport may be. Well, it just reminds me of the Boston Red Sox, doesn't it? Yeah. Maybe Ramirez. Yeah. No, who's the guy?

Big Poppy. Big Poppy. Well, Big Poppy is your star, but who is the guy going? around don't let us win one oh that's uh for he was playing first base gosh what was his name uh kevin malar is he the star player on that team no but he's the guy going around and then they you know i just and he was just chirping everyone like yeah that documentary is um before we let you guys out of here you are uh doing something new this year you should probably let uh lloyd know what the heck you're

doing yeah um well i'm coaching the u 18 triple a lancers so we just had our big main id camp this weekend. So 119 guys we had on the ice. So we're going to bring, yeah. That's a lot of kids. That was a lot. Yeah, for the first time running a camp that big, it was a lot. So we're going to bring back about 40 in the fall. So I'm playing in the Alberta elite hockey league. So kind of changing the guard. So I'm excited about it. I've been on ice with the guys a bunch. We'll start here next week for skills session. So it's good. And you know what? Watching, same thing. You're building the puzzle, right? It's not just the best guys. It's how do these guys fit together? What's the vision? And hopefully the goal.

not only take this program to another level, but get a bunch of these kids into juniors after they're done playing AAA. That's kind of the focus and obviously make good human beings, which that's the biggest piece, right? Take all those lessons we're teaching you in AAA so you can kick ass in life.

Man, if I had a U-18 kid and I'm hearing Kinger is going to be the coach, I think that's awesome, right? Am I wrong on that, brothers? I don't know. No, no, not wrong. When I heard that, I'm like, what a, you know,

I can say it. on hoops on one organization's part and the other one just said just come on over here well we'll switch you sports we'll let you coach some hockey and um there's a reason why he's my d partner let's just say that um both you guys hardly play any d that's the problem when you're playing forward you're both up the ice all the time might be a whole room problem actually dusted can't talk he's played like two games in the last two sorry for the people listening we play together on a team in the Never Sweets tournament once a year. And Dust, you haven't been there the last two years. I'm talking noon hour hockey. They're both on my team at noon hour right now. And

half the time I'm playing defense. And for the record, no one wants me playing defense. But somehow I'm back there because these two yos are up the ice. Have we been winning the last few guys? I was going to say two and all the last two games. Today's big game. It's like playing with Bouchard and clean bear back there. Yeah, well. Do we want to do who's going to win for Silver Coin? Do you want to do game twos who's going to win them there's four of them obviously game two's plus a game one or just all four game twos I think just all four game twos no

sure whatever you want to do Sean you're the one of the coins kinger so each week we do a bet winner gets a silver coin from silver gold bull and right now dust has one Harley has one that's right and you're taking the spot of Jay this week which means you get to hop in

so do you want to do four game twos or do you want to add in game one tonight well the game one's tonight so I wouldn't mind doing it. Okay, so five games. Okay, well, I'm taking... Well, let's do five games, yeah. All right.

I'm taking Dallas game one. I'm taking Dallas in game two. So I think they're going to be up to O. I might take Dallas game three and game four as well, but... Sure. I'm going to take Dallas in game one and game two. Okay. Kinger?

I'm going to zag. I'm going to go Win a pig, then Dallas. Win Dallas? Interesting. Okay. Dallas, Talos. All right. Nobody has faith in the Winnipeg Jets right now.

Fair enough. Okay. In fairness, though, Hellebuck gets to play two games at home, and he's actually been okay at home. Big advantage. That's right. Who got next? We'll start with you.

We'll go Eminton, Vegas game, too. I actually think Vegas is going to get that one. Eminton. I'm going to save Vegas. I mean, this is one of those ones I'd like to be wrong on, but... Yeah, no, totally. Yeah. Well, and I think Vegas is...

They were close enough. Eminton... Eminton's really freaking good, but I think Vegas is a good team and a proud team. The problem right now, the problem right now is Petriaglio, if he's not back for the next game, like, that's a big force for... I'm still... I'm going to take Eminton game, too. Let's go Washington, Carolina, Harals.

Carolina Dust I'll go Carolina Can Washington find a way to win game two I am going to say I'm going to say what's the other city Toronto

Florida yeah I'm going to say Washington All right Washington game two Kinger Washington yep At home Got to get a split What that series is done probably

All right And then Dust You get the final series, which is Toronto, Florida. Florida takes game two. I am also going to say Florida is going to tie the series up. Florida.

I'll continue to zag then. I'll say leaves, all those leafs, friends. Oh, ho! Two old. All right, there you go. We got our... Oh, we better throw one tiebreaker in there just in case because it happens every time where I think Harley copied most of my picks on this.

I was going to say I zagged on everything, so I'm not. anyone. Well, then it's got to be... The final game out of the bunch would be Winnipeg and Dallas Game 2. Total number goals in game 2 of that series will be the tie break.

All right. You both have... We'll go this way. I'll go eight. Oh, good. I'll go... Price is right rules. Well, not really.

I'll go seven. No, early's going seven. Kinger? Six. Damn it. I'm doing five or nine. I'm doing five. All right, gentlemen.

Thanks for doing this. Kinger, thanks for filling in Jay Spot. And folks, as I said at the start of the hour, unless something drastic happens, this is Thursday's episode. It's released a little bit early. Look forward to seeing everybody at the Cornerstone Forum and we'll be back to active regular programming Monday.

So thanks for hopping in, gentlemen. and well, we'll see you with the playoffs bring here in the next couple days.