Shaun Newman Podcast - #855 - Brother's Roundtable

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

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Welcome to the John Newman podcast, another Brothers Roundtable, boys. Thanks for hopping in. We got some things to discuss in regards to the NHL. Dustin's grinning ear to ear already. You want to talk about the second round? Okay, what would you like to talk about? So last week I said that Florida had winning game six, and what I had forgotten about with the Maple Leafs is the way they're best at is torturing.

You know what I love about a brother's roundtable is when Dustin comes in and just starts patting himself on the back? You know what I forgot? Didn't he just say he called in game six? He called him to game six and they went to game. I just want to make sure I'm correct. So this is what I forgot about the Maple Leafs. That's your cell phone in the back here. This is what I forgot about the Maple Leafs.

What they're great at is torturing their fans. And to torture your fans, you don't lose in six games. You actually come out play a solid game six and then crap the bet in game seven and lose. And not just lose, but like get blown out of the gym. Okay, so that's old news. So Shanahan gets fired. So you're the new guy they hire. How, like, you look at the team's a really good team.

So what is, give me the one or two changes you're making that puts you past quarter. Okay, so the first two things are, Tavares is unrestricted, and so is Marner. Those are your two big decisions right out of the gate. So are you signing either of them or both of them or none of them? I'm not signing Marner. I'm not. That's, I'm not signing Tavares. I didn't realize how.

What happened to Tavares will sign for two million bucks here? Okay. Then that's a different conversation, right? I look at Tavares similar to like a Perry, right? And then he's still younger than Perry, but I'm not overpaying for him. If he wants to stay, I'm happy to keep him on, but I'm not overpaying. Just to remember, now, I'm going to throw a couple things out there. Tavares is still a step up on Perry for sure because, I mean, he had a 74 point season.

So he's still a legit, top, you know, top two center. He ain't staying for $2 million. But I will point out that a guy named Matt Dushain has continually signed for $3 million in Dallas. And if Tavaris said he'd signed for $6 million, would you sign him for $6? where's the price point as the cap goes up here. Can we go back to here, what's the problem with the Toronto Maple Leafs? It's been 21,203 days since they won a Stanley Cup? Yeah, okay.

It's been 8,797 days since winning a second round series? The perfect foil is the Florida Panthers. The Florida Panthers are built for the playoffs, and I would argue that the Toronto Maple Leafs are built for the regular season. Do the Toronto Maple Leafs win that series of Stollers doesn't get hurt? I don't know. Did you, like, I assume we all watch game seven. Two of the last three games, two of the last three, game five gave seven, they got rolled.

They're up, they're up two oh. Then you lose two and you're like, you know what? Okay. Then you walk into game five and you lay a dud at home and you're like, you know, that happened. It does happen. They come back game six. I understand. They win a game six.

Let me finish. I don't get. And you're doing the, yeah, stop it. They win game six. And then you come home and game set. you should be, you should be so energized, flying at everybody. But they're scared. All of them.

But that isn't, that isn't on Matthews and Marner. Sure, it's on them. But like Tanev and all their D-Corps, the only reason I asked that. I thought that Toronto's D actually played out of anybody. They actually played. They played like crap, Harles. In the game seven, crap. They were poking at pucks.

They were making zero passes. If you're a forward. They were spent like three, So was it Marners? They spent three quarters of the game getting punished in their own end. Why did they get punished? Go back and watch a game tip. I'm going to go.

Hey, I'm going to go. The forwards were dog shit. I'm going to go back to my Stoller's point. If Stollers is in there, he's head to head against Bobowski, who he played with last year. He's the guy that everybody wants to play in front of. Think about when you guys are playing. If you got your guy in net and all of a sudden he makes, so in game seven, even if it gets there, he makes a couple big saves early, that can energize.

guys, especially if they like him. That changes the momentum, right? And he's not there. Think about when you play in front of guys. You get the shitty guy or you get your back up and everybody goes, ah, here we go. And I don't disagree with Jay. I don't disagree with Jay. All it takes is one or two. You're going to come over the

table. Over the top. If you go back and listen. He was just stuck in a Calgary airport. He's going to have his say here. But I think everybody's yelling into the mics. You know how hard this is? Yeah. All we need, all they needed, and I don't think Jay is wrong with this, all they needed was a couple big saves, timely saves.

I just disagree. Eminton could have used a fucking timely save last night. I tell you that. Okay, but go back to the Oilers. Go back to the Oilers against L.A. in the first round when Skinner was crap in the bed. It's not like McDavid and Dry Settle sat there and went, well, and going to loss. No, no, no, no. But Picard comes in the net.

No, no, no, no, no. Go back to game one when they gave up pickered. I like Picard When Pickard was in net I don't remember it In those games though Jay Drysadle and McDavid didn't sit on the bench And watch it go to 5-1 or 6-0

They came out and pushed And I did not see Matthew and Marner And the other guy Nealander Nealander, thank you Come out there and push the pace They didn't No there was more than one problem for sure

I was just making the point That if Storrs. Nett I think they have a better Run in that series But they're not the better team Florida was the better team. Again, I go back. How did Florida pick up?

Bradmore, Shannon, Seth, Jones. Everybody else picks up, like, really? The Leafs last won the cup closer to the Titanic sinking than today. Think about that. Buffalo, Buffalo since 2004, when the lockout happened,

has won four playoff series to Toronto's two, despite Buffalo not making the playoffs. And holding the record right now. In 14 seasons. In 14 seasons. seasons, Buffalo has a main playoffs. I bet you Buffalo fans would take a game seven loss at this point over

yeah. You know what's actually funny about Toronto? The guy that they probably should have kept because he is the guy that they need in the playoffs or at least one of the guys is Hyman. He's a guy who's leading the playoffs right now and hits. He does everything to win. That is a guy they actually could have used.

Great. So you've dissected the loss. So now you've been hired as Brandon Shanahan's replacement. Are you keeping Barubis as coach? Yes. Sure. Okay. So are you sticking with your goaltending of Stollerts and Wall? Yes. I'm not worried about that. Okay. So you're letting Marner walk?

Yes. And you signed Tavares for a team-friendly deal of $5 million a year. Yes. Okay. So now what? Now they need to get stronger up front. They've got too much talent with not enough effort. to me, I look at Matthews, you know, for his top of the player as he is, to me, he's soft. How many teams, I'm looking at two forwards, and Harley, you've split details, right?

When your defense, you go, oh, they were getting peppered. Well, I've seen really good defensemen evade. You know, one of the things that has shocked me about the image and knowledge defense with O'Donaircom there is how well they reduce the pressure coming in for them opposing third period was not their period, although that power play was lights out for Dallas. But what the Oilers defense does exceptionally well right now, and I can't put my finger on it, because it's still the same group of guys that at times you're like, what? Klingberg has been fantastic.

They use the D to D.D well. They use the net well. They evade pressure. Even when they're flying in their face, they find a way to make a pass. And when you make one pass, a good one. All of a sudden you get all the pressure in the world because everything's moving that way. that Maple Leafs game 7 they were poking at the puck

they were constantly behind the play it was like their feet were stuck in cement and so it just translates everywhere we say if they have better goal tenning are you kidding me you put in the best goalie in game 7 they get shelled they got shelled

the entire game by Florida the defense couldn't slow the game down to make draw one guy in because Florida literally had activated both D they were flying in everywhere so they're So get the puck past them and let them go skate for.

But part of that problem was there was times when Florida was coming down four on two. There wasn't a forward to be had that was even coming back to even help back check. As a forward, the most frustrating thing when you're playing competitive hockey is if you don't get the puck. Not only the puck. We got Dave out with this, right, who can pick a puck up six feet behind him. Most guys, they need it within a certain spot. The NHL is no different. when you're not giving a puck to a guy with speed

and he has to stop and come back for it or you chip it and it's a chip to where are you chipping that puck to? And we see what the oilers from time of time, but they have been exceptionally good at just relieving pressure, relieving pressure, giving their goalie a break. The Toronto Maple Leafs in Game 7,

it was awful. And I'm like, you brought in Tannaf and we've watched Tannup play against the Oilers a lot. He's a good defenseman. He looked scared. I don't know how better to say it. He just didn't look himself. So if Paul Maurice was coaching the Leafs in Brubay, Florida,

does Florida still win? I assume, yes. Okay, so it's not a coaching problem? After how many coaches they've had, do you think it's a coach? So do you think it's a, do you think Toronto's built their team around a bunch of really high-end talent guys who don't think the game that well? I think when the game's on the line, I think those guys don't give everything they have or don't take their game to another level.

If you look at what Florida has, they have a bunch of guys that will sacrifice everything. Benet, Ryan Hart, walk the talk, rather than just talk to talk. Like, they give everything in there to win the game. And I think when I look at Matthews and Marner and those guys, like they're really good, but if it's going in, I just don't think it's there.

Yeah, I agree. I think they're top end talent. Sorry, Toronto fans. We're just, I don't see the same push that. Okay, so if you're saying that, then in reality, you're letting both Marner and Tavares go because what you guys are telling me is I don't care if Tavares is coming back for a million bucks

I've got to change the culture in the room I've got to I've got to make some trades so you are you know obviously you're going to start to think about okay so who am I going to build this team around I'm going to build around Matthew Nyes and William Nielander that's Nielander of the four is my guy that I think is the biggest game route of the four

so I'm going to keep Nielander's going to be my guy Matthew Nize is going to be my guy right I don't know know who on defense you're building around and I'm going to keep the goal tent and now we're going to work with that so we let in marner and taveris go you probably keep in Matthew so you can get into the playoffs for now and you're hoping that if you bring in somebody else now there's some other big names that are coming up so is there someone you can sign that you fold into there i didn't think their defense was like they need help on d for sure for sure i thought their defense this year looked

really good i was just very very disappointed in game seven but if you look at their defense it's not like you sit there and go like like Seth Jones would he have looked good on that line up like he looked unbelievable right in that game seven well I just when he went to Florida I just went really yeah you know almost sound like the Yankees or the Dodgers getting another guy like it almost felt like that I agree with you Jay beating a dead horse at this point I think you need some big changes I think you got to change the culture you're in like year what are they year nine of like Matthews and those guys and like you can't make it well it's roughly the same time as McDavid Drysidle.

And you look at McDavid Drysaddle, whether they win this year or not, they've had some success. They've won some serieses where people, they've come back, where people didn't think. They showed a lot of character. There's a lot of culture. And I went to game seven last year in the Stanley Cup final. Right.

Whereas you look at Toronto, they just don't. So then in my mind, you have to change a culture. And you can't change the culture by trading away Max Domi and drop. You can't tinker. You've got to do something. Part of it, I think, is. getting rid of Shanahan as well. Toronto Maple Leafs had 130 people in their staff.

In their staff. So they're like the Canadian government. Florida? Florida had 18. So how much of that is a distraction, right? Where you've got guys coming in and... 130 versus 18? Yeah.

How is that possible? Right. Right. So how much of that becomes a bit of a distraction? Well, you've got an assistant to an assistant, I guess. but someone someone has to make the calls and that was shanahan and the culture and and and and he built the team and it was a good team a really good team makes playoffs every year makes playoffs every year the problem is they don't have which is funny because if you look at the type of player shanahan

was they don't have shanahan they don't have shanahan they don't have shanahan they need a couple guys like shanahan yeah yeah um anything else from round two dust that you wanted to pat yourself on the back well i'm just saying all my drafts all have florida guys and i think i was uh heavy on to Florida all the way through and yeah. Congratulations. I'm looking pretty good. I, you know, I, uh, I was, I was impressed with the Oilers in the second round. Vegas was not an easy team and the Oilers made them look.

The Oilers played so well and they took it into the first two periods of the Dallas game and then, but sometimes like they say, and this is what happened with the Toronto, Florida the game six, sometimes you're better to have something like that happened. Rather than Eminton losing the Dallas four, three and overtime and, you know, and then you sit there and go, oh, we had that one bad. play no no they stunk the join up in in the third period that's going to reset them but you look at how they played against Vegas that whole series against a former champion team that's still really good and and they like they they really played well throughout the whole series so i would say from last

night uh obviously the penalty kill had a rough period getting at home back in game three if he comes back would be massive is that was your talking as game three possibly game three like they like they They won the first two rounds without him, but getting him back would be such a huge thing. Well, you're talking about your number one D, right? They didn't want him going down to Dallas. Something happened, and now they're in a foreign city with nothing at their disposal.

They would rather have him play in Eminton if something does happen. You just understand that he's not 100%. That's what that tells me. Well, it would be nice, you know, if Amiton wins game two, do you sit one more game? No, you sit him out one more game. You're way, at home is like, if you could win this round, without him. Now he's fresh for and you're hanging on the chuck wagons. When do we got to let him go? When we got to, when we absolutely need him? Because, you know, he played what, like one period when he

came back before the end of the season, didn't even get touched by, you know, all standards of the NHL and has been out since. So obviously something's there that's pretty serious that he can't play through. And if you're going, yeah, we think game three, it's like, well, you think until we need them, until we have to press the emergency button of we need Echo Man, which hasn't come yet. Well, and as for Jay, when is Picard coming back? Well, he'll probably get beamed in, Scotty. Well, if we've learned anything with the Oilers, there's a good chance he plays again if he's healthy.

Because, you know, like Skinner, they are talking to this kind of longer-term injury, though, aren't they? The Skinner goal that bothered me was the fourth one. Is Pickard out for indefinitely? He was out for a while, I think. He'll be coming back. So then you're riding Skinner, because who's backing up, Rodriguez, right? Yeah.

That fourth goal in Skinner was suspect last night. The one where he was... Is that the sad... Steel where he absolutely... No, Duchyne. Side of the net. Side of the net where he put his hands up because he was bumped. Oh, where he doesn't go side to side very well?

Yeah. Is that what Sean's been talking about? In saying that, it does look like... I'm surprised they actually didn't challenge that because it did look like whoever was that was on the ground had actually clipped Pickard's foot. Skinner's foot.

Skinner's foot. or Skinner's foot. Picards. Picards. Yeah. And then had went down and you could see him almost like, oh, yeah, we scored. And then give her one of these afterwards. And he honestly thought it was going to be called back.

See, here's the problem with Skinner there is he gets touched a little bit and it almost looked like he gave up on the play. I would say. And that's the part that bothers me. And if they call it back, great. But you can't stop. And as a coach, it's not, it's blatant, but it's not blatant. but it's not blatant enough where you're like, if we challenge this,

they're up four three and their power play has been eating our lunch. So you can see the juggling act they had to do on that goal. Like, do we challenge it? Lose the challenge that go on the power play. They've been red-hot. Right. And our kill is, you know, well, I mean, geez, it. Because I don't explain the Sam's steel goal to me because it looked like a wreck hockey play.

Like he gets the puck. He goes down the side. He kind of does this fancy tow drag thing around an NHL defenseman. Nobody really touches him. He goes to front of the net and back hands. home. Like, I just like, really? So, so Dallas's fourth line center pulls some sort of rec hockey move and goes and scores in a playoff game? I don't know, Jay, you pull enough of those moved out to Rick hockey game. Pickard won't be in this. Hey, I had a dry-sidal goal last game,

hey? Pickard won't be in. Okay. So how hard from, uh, from, he's out for wherever, uh, out for this series, out for the series. Captain Picard. Possible in next. So the thing about last night's game is this is I'm not that worried about it because the Oilers played well. They had some problems on the penalty. They played two very, two very good periods. Absolutely. And then I agree. And I'd rather see them lose six three like they did and have to reset and come back.

Well, in Dallas had some power play goals, but like you're playing the same team. So they'll be videoing it up and figuring it out and it'll be fine. Do you guys think that Dallas is a big team? A big team? Yeah. They have some. They are a big team, but they, to me at times look very slow. Well, it was interesting because they were talking last night on the broadcast,

so Dallas isn't actually that big of a team. So I thought that was interesting because I always just, you see, I guess maybe you see Jamie Ban and you see Mason Marchman and you just go, these guys are, right? You're missing the biggest guy, though, that Bachel on defense, he's a big man. Yeah. And Lundell. He's a big defenseman too.

Like they're, yeah, they're a really good team. Obviously, they made the conference final three years in a row, but. You compare them to Florida. Florida, I feel, and I'm, Maybe I'm wrong in this. This is just my perception of it. Florida, I feel like hits everything that moves. Dallas is uber skill.

Like they have so much skill. Well, they do. Right. And so they don't play the bang and crash. I mean, what won them the game last night? They've actually, we're talking about this.

What's got them to the conference finals has been their power play. Power play's been red hot. It was over 30% walking in the last night's game, and they went three for five, three for four? Yeah. Something like that. Like, you're like, it's red hot. And so.

I actually looked at, like, they come in and they play a style of game that's conducive to the others beating them. Is Carolina and Dallas the same type of team? They're both kind of higher speed, higher skill? I feel like Carolina is a harder working team, though. Carolina, I feel like has a little more grit there with, think of their third lines, Jordan Stahl and Martinuke and guys like that. Like I don't, whereas Dallas has three lines deep of skill and their fourth line center,

Sam Steele, who we just talked about as a skill guy. Whereas I feel like Carolina is a little more Rod Brindamore type, which is they have some skill guys at the top, but they're a little more meat and potatoes. Yeah, lunch pal. They're going to work. They're just working. So how does Carolina beat Florida? I don't know.

Watching the game, so when they went down, they scored with like 18 seconds left in the first period to make it 2-1, but they had probably two or three chances. You always talk, you know, what if Eichol's shot went in, that changes the feel of the game? I felt like they had two or three chances before it got away on them where it could have easily been 2-2, maybe even 3-2, heck Anderson takes back one of those goals.

It's 3-1 Carolina. It's just a different feel. I think that's going to be, to me, when I watched the little I, well, not the first two periods, I didn't watch third. I felt like this is going to be a close series. I didn't think it was the score that Florida put up. It just got away. And once it got away, then things aren't going right.

Rod Bridmore is going to have that team rolling. a game too much to the same and we talk about well i talk about a lot of things now with mason just because he's getting to that age right one of the worst leads you can have is is you're up by three right and emminton was the same way right you're up by three a little bit laxedaisical you're going into the third up by two up by two whatever but i mean but at the time though is ummonton hit a crossbar and a post they hit that yeah And Hyman is off. And it's a very different outlook to a game.

They're all of a sudden up by four instead of... Up by three instead of two. Well, no, but when did Dallas get their goal? One-one. And then it was three. Oh, is it one-one? Yeah. I thought it was after that.

Yeah. So the thing about Carolina, Florida is this. The thing about Carolina, Florida is this. Like, is Florida inside Carolina's head at this point? No. I don't think so. Didn't they sweep them four street? But I think Carolina's been around for too long.

That's what you get for interrupting me, Harley, 18 different times. I think Carolina's been around too long. No, I think Dustin's right. You think they're in their head. No, I think Carolina... I feel like everybody's just on the Florida bandwagon because when they win, they look like these world beaters. I think Carolina...

They just beat Toronto in seven. It's not like they beat them in four. No, no, I think Dustin's getting at is I don't think in the last four Eastern Conference Finals, Carolina has been... swept all four times or three times this would be the fourth. Yeah, I got the longest. Oh, so they just need a win. To win boys.

Yeah, they've lost 13 conference final games in a row. In a row. We just need a win, boys. Hey? Holy smokers. And one of those sweeps was Florida, and that's why I say is Florida. So if Carolina doesn't win, does Brinmore get canned? I don't know.

They've been an awfully good game for a long time to think about it. Can they do any better? Do you get to the conference finals? I think they're over delivering. I think they're over delivering with what they have for a team. I think Carolina. I think Brindamore is bringing out the best of them. Can anybody else do better than what Brinderbore is doing with them right now?

Paul Marys. The funny thing about Carolina is they keep making the conference finals. They just can't win in the conference finals. Yeah, but did you see... But not even a game. Not even a game. That's what I'm saying is if they get swept again. That is strange.

That is really strange. I didn't realize that. Like, how does a team make? four straight conference finals and get swept in three of them. And they're playing in this one and they're down one of nothing. To be fair, to be fair, one of them was back in like, oh, eight or something like that. Two have been in the last, what, three, four years? Yeah, because they lost to Florida and then they lost.

The Boston? Was it Boston? Because they had a couple of years there where you're like, these guys are probably going to win the cup again. Well, and the crazy thing is they keep getting past the first round every year. They make it to either the divisional or conference finals. every year for the last like four or five. A couple years. Oh yeah, so they would have lost

the Tampa Bay because of a different division, right? That's right. I don't know. To me, you look at that team and you go, they just need to win a game. Just win a game. But that's what we say about the Oilers against Dallas.

Just win a game, right? Come back home. It's all even up. It's game one. I agree. Everyone's jumping on the Florida bandwain because they look like world beaners. But it's just the game got away from

Carolina. They were pressing, and they were pressing hard. And they had a couple of chances that Aaron's talking about how good Bob Brofsky is and all this. I'm like, Oilers made him look pretty freaking average in the finals when they rattled off three in a row. I don't mean you can do that 20 games in a row, but Carolina's going to find a way, aren't they? Like, I don't know. I get the history. I hope they win a game. I'm sure, no. I like to see him win a game. Just win one game.

Who's your MVP right now? Through two rounds. Meekle is ratting in one of them? For Dallas? Sure. Yeah. Picard. Well, McDavid's probably...

McDavid or Drysettle? I don't know. Flip a coin. They both been really good. Oh, man. When Drysettle's in the zone, he is a beast. The funny thing is, though, is, like, you look at how much secondary scoring Eminton's had, and they're not even really, like, world beaters like they have been in previous years,

right where it's like they're really noticeable like last game they were really noticeable up until the third. I think they're two and three in scoring in the playoffs though. Yes, they are with ahead of them though. Rantanin. Rantin. It's like we were like, oh, they're not that, you know, they're not doing that. Rantinantin might be up there.

You look at how many games. Well, no, for Dallas 100%. If they make it to the finals, Randins is the guy. Is Brad Marshong the guy for Florida? You know how the guy I like is, and he's not going to win it, but I like for hoggy. The guy just Marchand's leading their team in points right now I know

As a third line guy Actually I think Seth Jones is actually my pick for Florida He's been dynamite I don't know I love how you know Marshan's that guy that you hate to play against You know not You don't have all these great things to say about him

But it's kind of like Cory Perry Like you just love watching How many grabs everybody Who is the defense? Who's the defenseman The top of him In last game right And then he dropped the Mitz

Yeah And Marchand got booted for instigating, and the commentator was like, you could clearly see the guy shot the fuck at him. I'm like, I wonder when Marchand did. They were pointing to the hit. But I'm like, you know that's the straw that broke the camels back. Here's the thing about Florida go.

How many guys do they have just like Marshawn? Well, Bennett is exactly like them. And Kachuk. And Kachuk. Like them three are exactly. I know Reinhart plays tough. Verhaghi is actually a tough little player, but them three are the guys.

Ed Blad? Stur the. Eggblad's tough defenseman. He's more like an Ekholm. I think he's a little more on edge than Ekholm. I think so? Yeah. Yeah.

That for him he gave to that one guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's a little bit more nasty than that. See, that's the guy I love for the others to have picked up. So, just to clarify. Yes. Carolina has made the playoffs the last, this is the seventh year in a row. They lost in the semi-conference semifinals last year.

they lost in the conference finals in 23 and the conference finals in 2019. So it hasn't been two out of... Four rip both times? Four rip both times. So there's some truth there. And that's been Brindamore coaching that team now for that entire duration, yeah? That's correct. Seven years in playoffs, though.

I mean, like, that's a consistent team, right? But this is what we're talking about Toronto. And blow the leaves up. But Carolina, we're fine with. You know, here's the thing, though. is it always seems like Carolina is overperforming and Toronto's underperforming for the time. But really? That's exactly what I think. So Toronto didn't make the conference finals a couple times.

And the two times that Carolina did, they didn't win a game. No, no, but Carolina has made it past the first round. How many times in those seven years? Almost every year. Every year. Every year. Every year, Carolina has made it past the first round and Toronto's made it past the first round twice and has never made the conference final. That's the difference.

And I look at, so you look at Toronto's team, you got Marner. and Matthews and Nealander and Tavares. O'Reilly. Carolina's got Ahos, who's pretty good. Svetchenikov. Stavich. Jarvis. Would you put Savichnikov?

Taylor Hall. Ooh, my favorite. Dustin's favorite. Beauty. He's still eating Oilers if Dustin was a GM. So wait a minute here, though. Would you put any of those guys in the same category if you're a GM, an average GM in the league as Marner and Nealander?

Sebastian. A. Sure. Ajo. But after that. The Jarvis and this fetching knockoff? No, the rest of them, the rest of them are nice, a step down.

A step down. So they're a step down. And this is what I mean is it always seems like Toronto's underperforming and Carolina somehow overperforms every year. It's a fair point, especially with the big four. And that's the reason why I like Brindamore as a coach is because he's, Brindamor's coach in Toronto, did they beat Florida this year? No, because I don't like Toronto's makeup.

But would I don't like their team? A coach like Brindamore change that makeup. I don't know, maybe. But part of that is the GM. You can only work with the players that you got. So Toronto traded Marner for Rantmanin straight across if they were trying to do that. Marner wouldn't wave. Oh, that was it.

There you go. Can you imagine Rantinan and Carolina right now? Ooh. Right? You think about that. Because he is one of them other guys. Carolina had Rantan and then he wouldn't. Can you imagine being the GM of Carolina and you make this sweet deal to pick up Rantin

and then Rattin won't deal with you? Like that's just got a prize Rantinan. Carolina's a nice place. I wonder what's a reason was. On a team that keeps making. you know, second, third round of the playoffs. It's not like you went to Buffalo. No, but then.

Yeah. But now, now it's coach, right? Now you're playing for a coach that is dictating, this is how you have to play. And Rantanin probably doesn't want to play like that, right? And so this is probably where the conflict came in. It'd be interesting to know what happened there because Rangor was, you might be on that one.

We might have to give you one there. Because that makes sense, what you're saying. That's, that's got to be frustrating for the GM of Carolina, though, to pull that off and then have a. Granted and not work out. Oh, that's got to suck. So that means, yeah, that's... Okay, predictions.

We had Grabber, shout out to Grabber who stepped in. We had Chris King and Cam Grabowski in for Harley and Jay last week. Grabber won the silver coin. This week, what are we doing? We got game, we got two game twos coming up. Probably two game threes, if I'm being honest, before our next chat. I want to go game two and game three. Game two and game three.

What's the series at? after game three? I got to pick winners in game two, the winner and game three of both series. Okay. Jay, you start. Really? I'll start.

I'll start. I'll start. I'll start. I am going to be, Eminton is up two to one. I don't know. You got to pick the winners in each game. Well, I'm saying obviously

Emmington's going to win both games. Listen, you got to pick the winners in each game. Oilie is going to be up to one. Emmington's winning this game. in their way. How much more do you want me to paint it out for you? You got to say Edmonton is winning both games. Just so I can be fair to you guys, because

the first two rounds, I actually tied for the win, but we had to have an overtime thing and then I lost. Do you got any silver coins yet, Jay? I should have had two. The second one, I was five but you didn't. I was five for five and still lost. So anyways, so I feel like this guy that you've also

not showed up for two. So I mean, I record hard. I think I threw up Florida Carolina is the first game to pick and you went, Oilers is going to be up to one. All I'm saying is Florida's going to be up two to one, and Eminton's going to be up to one. Are we saying scores just as a tiebreaker?

So you guys for game four, game three of Emmington, Carolina. No, pick the scores in all of them. Pick the scores in all of them. Whoever, if you're right bang on and nobody else says, you get the silver coin. But if there's two guys tied,

then it's all the scores. Whoever's closer for goals for and against. Holy man. This is way too complex. No, come on. It's got to be something. Let's start with wins first. How about this?

Let's start with wins. Don't let your older brother boss your round. Let's even see if we're even going to have the problem. Jay, since Harley jumped on Eminton up 2-1, what's Emmington, Dallas after three games? For me? I'm going to say, Emerton's up 2-1. They win both games, dust. I'm also going to say, why don't we just keep this trend going?

Oilers up 2-1. Sure. That's what I'm going to say. I'm going to do a Chris King thing now. Dallas up to 1-3-0. We'll go. Edmonton wins game two. Dallas wins game three.

In Hamilton. Interesting. Afternoon game. Oh, yeah. We have to go. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, first game. No mind. Oilers. Goals for and against in that series in the two games. Are we doing goals for and against? We're just going to pick. Well, then it'll, it'll for sure. And then we don't get into this where, oh, I'll go six and then hardly goes seven and then Dustin goes five and then you screw Jay out of a silver coin, right?

So we're going total goals for both teams or differential or what are we doing here? Yeah, just go total. I think that's what goals for and against is is a differential there, dust. But you're the engineer. You tell me dust. You're the engineer. Well, obviously, if Edmonton's up. Wait, wait, wait, you guys all picked Evanton win both games.

So I'm going to say Eminton plus. Two. Okay. In two games. Okay. So they're winning like six, three, and Dallas wins like three two. That's right. Okay.

Just making sure here. This is ridiculous. Okay. All right. What's your differential, Harley, Jay? We're going to do it on both sides, too. So then you're going to add them up. Sure.

Charles? Eminton plus four. I just had my phone ring. He's just. I thought you're trying to figure out. That is just the two-game goal differential, correct? We're not going in series. All right.

I'm just trying to clarify, trying to make sure that Jay's not going to try and wheeze a lot of something here. I'm going to go Oilers plus three. Oilers plus one. Wait, that doesn't make sense. All right. Oilers plus three. You could say the same thing because there's another series we're going to do it on.

So it's combined. Yeah. Takes a while for Sean to do math in his head. So if they win. four to two and if they win four to two that's a plus four and a less two what a bunch of comedians um i'm going to say plus three yeah i'm going to go with jay on that here we go so this is a big tiebreaker for me and you shot in this florida carolina he can start yeah carolina florida dust i'm gonna go uh Carolina wins game two Florida wins game three it just irks me

that I'm going to agree with Dustin on this one. Carolina wins two. Maybe if you drafted like me, you'd be in first place in the draft too? I don't know. I'm going to do this. I'm going to pick one team, and that's my draft.

And win. I'm going to show me the money. Carolina hasn't won yet. I'm saying Florida wins both. Goes up three rip. Wow. Okay. So wait a second.

No faith in Rob Bryn't anymore. Well, I'm just saying he hasn't done her yet. I'm not going to bet against the, tide here. Florida is freaking good. Jay's going Florida 3-0. And I'm going to, why not?

I'm going to go Carolina 2-1. Here we go. See, this, this. So it doesn't matter, there's no tiebreaker anyways. Because Dustin went opposite of me. I picked the same. You guys both went differences. There's always a way.

We got to just do it. Orles. I'm going to say Carolina plus two. Does it win by one each game? Interesting. Dust? I think I went first last time, Jay, so maybe I'll go last this time. Go ahead.

All right. So I think Florida is going to come out and win an overtime, so they're plus one. And then I think they're going to come out and they're going to win with an empty netter. So plus three. Okay. Harles? Dust. I thought Dustin went last this time.

Harles? Someone explained to me why this even matters because it doesn't matter anything. Harles. Shut out. number. Throw plus 10. Carolina plus 10. There we go.

Carry on with life. There's a brilliant move. Like, it's not going to matter. There is no time break anyways. There is no time break. Carl's, you're yelling. Harles, you're yelling. You're yelling.

Dust. I'm going to go even Dadio or even Stephen. Zero. Ooh. Shout out to Daddyo. Folks, what a tire fire of a round table today. Thanks for doing it, gentlemen.

and we'll see you next week.