Shaun Newman Podcast - #857 - Dave Collum

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

David Collum is a Professor of Chemistry at Cornell University, where he has taught since 1980. Collum is known for his economic and political commentary, often aligned with Austrian economics, appearing in podcasts, blogs, and publications like The Wall Street Journal. He authors an annual “Year in Review” macroeconomic assessment.To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

This is Viva Fry. I'm Dr. Peter McCullough. This is Tom Lomago. This is Chuck Pradnik. This is Alex Krenner. Hey, this is Brad Wall. This is J.P. Sears. Hi, this is Frank Paredi.

This is Tammy Peterson. This is Danielle Smith. This is James Lindsay. Hey, this is Brett Kessel, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the podcast, folks. Happy Tuesday. How's everybody doing today? Well, the number of ounces of silver needed to buy an ounce of gold now at near 30-year highs.

Silver is now a bargain price when compared to gold. And it's a perfect time to protect a portion of your savings with silver. Silver Gold Bowl has a wide variety of best value silver for every budget. Simply text or email Graham for details. Whether you're a seasoned investor or new to precious metals, Graham can work through all your questions and recommend the best products to meet your investing goals. Just text or email Graham for details about this feature. Any other questions you may have around buying, selling, storing,

or using your retirement accounts to invest in precious metals. All the contact info down in the show notes. Or you can just go to silvergoldbull.com. and on any purchase, make sure to reference the Sean Newman podcast. Profit River, well, if you're in town, make sure you stop in and then and take a look at the showroom, ask for Joel. He's their phone and internet sales manager and knows his stuff. If you are, you know, not in the Lloydminster area, you can either call or email,

SNP at Profitriver.com. When it comes to any of the purchases you make over the phone, in person, online, make sure you reference the code SNP when checking out. It'll get you entered in for a $100 gift cards at the store, and those draws happen monthly. Of course, for all your needs, go to Profitriver.com. They got all your needs when it comes to firearms. They are the major retailer of firearms, optics and accessories, and they serve all of Canada. Rect Tech Power Products have been committed to sports excellence for the past 20 years.

If you haven't stopped into their showroom, I talk about a lot. It's a beautiful showroom, West Sadd of Lloyd Minster. It's become an under. official border marker of Lloyd. You know, we have the border markers, but I know a ton of the audience when you're driving through. You go past Rectek. Lots of you love to text me.

You should really stop in. Say hello to Ryan, the manager there, or Al if he's around and just, you know, take a little browse. Any purchases, they got engraved knives now with SMP, Rectek, and Profit River, for that matter, on them. When you make purchases, you're going to get one of those. So that's pretty cool. And with golf season now in full swing,

you should, you know, maybe you need a golf cart. They got some pretty sweet golf carts. They got Lund fishing boats and a whole, just ton of stuff sitting there. So stop in. They're open Monday through Saturday, or you can visit them at rechtechpowerproducts.com. PlanetCom, when you're busy running and growing your business, trying to stay on top of the ever-changing world of information tech, it can be overwhelming to say the least,

and they can take care of that for you, leaving you to do your thing, while they do theirs. For over 22 years, PlanetCom has been here to boost your productivity by practically managing every aspect of your IT infrastructure, both in the house, both in the house, in-house and in the cloud, to make sure you're not confused on anything technology

like I certainly get. You can check out the website, theshon-Newmanpodcast.com. That they built it for me. Or you can just go to planetcom. To see everything they do and make sure to reference, hey, heard about you on the Sean.

Newman podcast. Substack, free to subscribe to. You can also become a paid member on there. All of our updates, you know, some behind the scenes footage. We head to substack the Cornerstone Forum and its entirety is there as well. If you're wanting to get involved in the new studio, whether it's skills, labor, materials, money, get on that value for value, legacy wall. Would love to have you there. Shoot me a text and we can see how you can help. If you're listening or watching on Spotify, Apple, YouTube, Rumble, X, make sure to subscribe. Make sure to leave a review. Make sure to hit the retweet button and share it out, folks. All right, let's get on to that tale of the tape.

He is a professor of organic chemistry at Cornell. I'm talking about Dave Collum. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by Dave Collum. Sir, thanks for hopping on. It's my pleasure.

And I apologize for missing your big event in the recent past. So it must have been fun. Well, I tell you what, I was just telling you, You talk to Tom and Alex and the whole gang of characters that showed up in Calgary. I can sit here now a couple weeks after and having some time to like take a deep breath and look at it, you know, in the rear of your mirror. And yeah, it was really well received. I thought everybody had a good time. And I thought the speakers had meaningful things to say on stage.

So you have people come on site. How many people show up? How many people come to listen? So the first year, it was 250 people. This year we moved it from Lloyd to Calgary. And Calgary, the high watermark, was 650 people. What, in a hotel ballroom or something? No, in a hockey rink.

The most Canadian thing I could do. Oh, my God, hockey. Every Saturday morning I have coffee with former Cornell dynastic hockey players. the guys who are in the 76-77 window with Ned Harkness, who, and we can't have a conversation about anything that eventually doesn't turn back to hockey. Well, on this side, that's how I started the podcast, a hockey player. Like I love it. So to bridge where I'm at with, you know, where I grew up and everything else, we put it in a hockey rink.

It was a beautiful rink. And it's looking like that's where it's heading next year, albeit I should caveat that with we haven't booked it yet so um for people listening um hopeful it'll be back at the wind sport but uh we'd love obviously i'm gonna i'm gonna twist your arm at the end of this because you'd be a welcome addition to that group of of of speakers and obviously as you was there longo craner both of which i'd love to meet in person you of course who else tom bodrivix have you been on palisade gold radio before yeah yeah he hosted one of the round tables um Vince Lanchi was supposed to be there, but it had hard done anything directly with Vince.

So, yeah. Matt Erritt was on the roundtable with Tom and Alex. He's from out in Quebec. He does the untold History of Canada book series and a bunch on that. I don't know. The group of people you'd probably get along with the most, obviously would be Tom and Alex, who you have, you know, you've been on different podcasts with. And Tom Bodrovics is probably the three that I would.

think that would stick out to you, Dave. Yeah. Say hi to Fiona. This is not, she's not only a sweetheart, but she's one of three boss and terrorism. There's rumor we're getting a fourth. You'll see dog ear sticking up occasionally. Actually, there's another one behind me. I'm just going to show you this just so, you know, this is Alfie.

She's the sweetest of the three. Yeah, say hi, Alphy. And this is Charlie. He's the fattest of the bastards. He's coming up behind me. You'll see a big eclipse of the song. Well, the other speaker I brought up to mention was Martin Armstrong was in person. And I don't know.

Well, that would be fun. I'd be interested in meeting Martin, too. I had an exchange with him when he was in prison, actually. Really? Via his daughter. Yeah. When you mean an exchange, like you wrote him a letter? Send an email.

She took it to him, you know. What were you asking? him back then when he was in prison. I can't even remember. Well, you know, he was writing blogs, handwritten blogs. And I had a couple of comments. And I don't, you know, I don't know how, I don't remember the details. I sort of discovered, I was thinking about this the other dad,

I kind of spotted the merits of social media before social media. So I'd read something back in, you know, 2001 or something. And back then, you know, people didn't hide their emails and stuff. And so, you know, someone would write something, their email would be at the bottom. And I'd send them an email and say, oh, by the way, you might take a peek at this too. And I developed not intentionally, but inadvertently, a network of people. So I used to exchange ideas with Stephen Roach of, you know, Morgan Stanley. And who's the other guy?

Oh, God, what's his name now? but some prominent guys Larry Summers Elizabeth Warren How's that one? And it was just before people were bombarded right? So you get an email from her

and say oh okay I got an email from some guy I wonder what this is about you know that sort of thing so I have a natural networker I think or something I don't know. Yeah well times have certainly changed because even as lowly as I am I get enough emails now where it's at times overwhelming.

You know, like it's, it's, I just, at times I can't keep up with it. It's wild, you know, and in the best possible way. I don't know. Well, I've used to trick three times that at some level works. That is, I've fallen asleep with my finger on the delete key. And you wake up to the beep, beep, beep, beep at the bottom when it's, when it's run out of it. And I look up and I go, what? what just happened? And there's no emails in my inbox. And I had quite a few. At that point,

the first time I did, I was department chair. So there's emails in there. I really needed. And then I looked at another mailbox or emails there and I went back to the inbox. There were no emails. I got, you just deleted your entire inbox. So it taught me how to, how to sort an email box. So here's my advice. First of all, you know, got to use folders. But if you have to really clean up an email box, first sort by name, not by date. And then because there's people who you can block delete because you go, look, it's not that it's a terrible email, but I don't need to save anything that that guy has sent. And then, so I had to figure this out because my secretary, for example, I had to read everyone

her emails because she was sending them to me for a reason, you know, that sort of thing. And then the second thing I'd do is I'd set a goal every night. I go to bed with fewer emails than I went into bed the night before. And that's how I beat my email box down to manageable numbers, that sort of approach. You know, you were saying you might see dogs' ears and stuff. For the people listening, that's a dog in the background. And what it reminded me of is, in fact, Martin Armstrong was on stage in person. And every time I interview Martin, he's always got his dog under his feet, and it starts snoring in the middle

of the interview. Well, I've had, I've had them snoring. The problem is I can't hear it because of my headphones. So, so in Luongo, um, Consular, uh, Ferris podcast from two days ago, it's only when I re-listen to the tape, which I do. I was like watching a game film, right? Um, I could hear the snoring in the background. I go, I didn't realize Charlie was just snoring up a storm. It's really funny um i was wondering okay so you know i i wanted to start with uh with trump and because you know getting different americans on to talk about your president and you know his first 100 days i remember who was it on here folks it was talking about whether or not he was going to get enough done in the first hundred days it might have been stephen murray and lieutenant colonel stephen

murray that uh that had brought it up and i was curious your thoughts you know like what have you seen from trump you know like do you think he's You know, there's a ton of rumors flying around from he's controlled to he's, you know, the next savior of the planet. Where do you land? And what have you thought about his time in office thus far? Well, somewhere between those two. I think he started, the best description I heard was a German Panzer Division. So he really moved his troops across the plains very, very quickly. And one of the things that was noticeable, he didn't even leave the rotundin signed executive orders, which certainly left the Democrats on their heels.

So for about a month, he was just carpet bombing the bastards. And then they finally formulated a counterattack. And one of the, someone I can't remember who it was said that used that Panzer Division analogy and then pointed out that now his supply chain is a little bit stretched. And so now he's getting attacked. And the courts have been a pain in the neck. It took him a while to figure out that they had to carpet bomb him with legal problems to slow him down. The first thing he achieved, which will stick, in my opinion, is he completely wiped out the woke shit.

Now, there's still some left, but it's to be. woke now is embarrassing. And it wasn't even something Trump did. It's just him getting elected. Everyone just said, hurrah, and they just swept their hands. And they started hammering on the gender benders and hammering on the, you know, the DEI and hammering on everything imaginable. And it's not to say that within any one of those categories there isn't something legitimate, but it'd been taken to such an extreme. So I'm not even sure Trump had to do anything. beyond get elected for that to get wiped out. I actually think that the transgender story peaked during the Olympics

when we watched a couple of dudes beat the shit out of women. I think the absurdity of that became just too much to handle. And finally, you know, Riley Gaines and the, at all finally got it. And then it became safe to step up to the plight and say, this is stupid. You can now call someone a retard, you know, things like that. There's there, you know, which by the way, as I must have called my brother retired 7,000 times when I was a kid. So it's a term of endearment. But somehow the PC story just disappeared pretty quickly.

And, you know, it's like a fire, you know, a force fire unit or, you know, where they, there's still brush fires to be put out. But I think, I think they've got it under control now. So have you seen that? Have you seen, have you seen, you talk about, whoa. Have you seen that change in academia? Have you seen it like, you know, like your background in Cornell, like have you seen it start to filter into that as well or not quite there? Well, we're a little bit siloed because I'm in a department and I don't get outside the department for myself.

If I go to, I'm on the faculty senate, which sounds honorific, trust me, it's not. It's like it's almost like you're a former chair. You're no longer worth it shit. We'll put you on the set. And, you know, they open up with some paying homage to the indigenous people who we pushed off their land to, you know, to be here, you know, that sort of shit. There's still crap like that floating around. I saw a website of one of the biodepartments of which we have many that had sort of a DEI statement at the beginning, but it wasn't just a DEI statement, which is fine. I don't care.

But it was like five paragraphs. It really read like gender studies, not evolutionary biology. And so there's still brush fires by that metaphor. And they need to put out. I think our president is a smart and very grounded guy. Economists know his brother. His brother's name Larry Kolokhov. He's the guy who did the most detail work on our unfunded liabilities.

and Mike Kolokov came to Cornell. At one point I'm chatting with Larry, right? This routing thing I do. I'm chatting with Larry. He says, oh, by the way, do you know my brother, Mike? He's at Cornell. And I said, yeah, I spent all day Sunday with him. So yeah, I know well.

So we got to know each other very early. Now he's president, so that's kind of useful. So if I need to talk to the president, I can talk to the president. And he's a good guy. And, you know, we have good people here. Cornell's different. You know, I asked them sort of, and I probably shouldn't tell people I asked them, but I asked them owing to a big interview coming up that I'm kind of hoping happens.

And I said, there's some message you'd like to get across? He said, well, we're in detailed negotiations. But he created a bunch of bullets that said, look, these are just things that are happening here that the world needs to know. My brother, who's a trustee by birth, actually, he's Ezra Cornell, he said, most importantly, Cornell's not the same as Princeton, Harvard, Yale. We're a very different kind of an institution. And part of it's being out in the boonies. Part of us having an ag school, and we have engineering school and stuff, so on.

So we tend to, I think we're much earthier than our peers who have the, you know, essentially a college of arts and sciences. We have so many. We're number one in the country in top 10 ranked departments. When you say, okay, so the big interview you're alluding to, you've talked about it in a previous interview, and that's Tucker, which, you know, like you don't want to jump before you get there because you've mentioned it. Yeah, you've been pushed.

Well, you know, so I was booked and I actually. he booked a hotel. They had booked a hotel and then I got booted. And best I can tell, based on the date of recording, I got booted by Sean Ryan. And I don't know, I don't know any backstores. I listened to his interview because I thought, well, there probably is a timely, a timely topic in which Tucker called an audible and said, oh, we got to get Ryan in here, boot that asshole from academia, you know. And I did ask the booking agent what got me there. I was having exchanges with her.

And I said, how do you find people? How do you get to me, right? Which there's a bigger question there, actually. It's kind of an origin story where how does an organic chemist get from being an organic chemist to sitting across the table from Tucker Carlson? That's a pretty strange path. And I haven't done it yet. So I'm kind of hoping. but and I have questions for him.

I have, he asked questions for me. I have questions for him. And I asked her and she said, Tucker read your year in review and said, get the guy on. Well, I would say it's everything you've done to this point, isn't it? I mean, you can. I don't know. Hopefully I'll get a chance to chat with them off camera. I was scheduled to arrive at 1045 for an 11 o'clock interview.

and in Maine. And I've heard people talk about dinner the night before. So maybe it's like Johnny Carson where you get to have dinner with them if you're big shot. I don't know. Well, one of the things, one of the things on this side with the event, going back to the event,

was we had speakers come in early and they got to hang out. And then by the time I did a roundtable with Armstrong Craneer and Luongo Sunday morning. they'd all been around each other so much that I literally turned on the mics and I joked about this because if you go to the podcast I you know I don't know if I said 10 words the entire time I actually at times I just thought I should just fill up their waters because they just started and at one point everybody laughed at me but I was like it's okay if I'm

recording this right like I want to know you you you guys realize that this is actually a yeah they all looked at me and they like yeah and then they just went back into this conversation that was for, you know, if we had more time, we probably would have went four hours, but they had other prior engagements they had to get to. And I just sat there. And one of the things I've realized on this side is the more time you can spend with a guest before you get actually talking, it actually does better for the interview or the conversation because there's a little bit of familiarity with each other before you even start.

And that bleeds into the conversation. Like Rogan does it a ton where he's, you know, like when he had on Peter, for the first or second time. They talked about how they went for supper. And you can hear them. They're just, they start no one of them. They're now friends. They're now friends. Right.

Now, there's a double-edged sword to that, though, because the other thing is that you find yourself saying, well, as we talked about last night at dinner, right? And so, so you can also preempt fresh discussion if you're not careful, right? So I've never, so, so, so, so it's always been a mixed moment. you and I've had extensive conversations after the podcast, right? We've gone on for like an extra hour and a half after podcasts and stuff like that. That's always fun for me because there's a lot of stuff that you can kind of get into that you're going to, boy, I'm not touching that today. Especially being at a university. So I go to the New Orleans Investment Conference. I started my

conferencing with Porter Stansbury in Vegas. Then I, and then I went to, God, damn it, I'm drawing a blank. It'll come back to me, another one of them. And then I got invited by Brian London to New Orleans. And I go there to see what are digital friends and now real friends. And, you know, highly memorable dinner with several of them, actually, with Danielle. I can just say Danielle, right? That's the irony.

It's just like saying Prince. Danielle Di Martina Booth and Alok, Camboni is ambiguous there. And Grant Williams, for example. We had a great time in Vegas. It was just a wild dinner. And then another one with Danielle and PJ O'Rourke, right? These are fun dinners. These are really, and he's not dead, so I'm glad I caught him on the way out the door.

But there's a panel discussion there, and it gets very raucous. So it's guys Peter Bukvar who's sane but very talented. I shouldn't put a butt in that. I should and very talented. You got Jimmy I Oreo, who he and I go pretty far back. And there's good sort of, you know, sort of trash talking and stuff, right? You know, Jimmy will say stuff. I'll say, well, that sounds like bullshit to me, Jimmy.

I mean, it really would. And then at one point, Jim Stack said something. I mean, he's a legend, right? But I disagreed with it. I said, so I'm going to disagree with it, Jim, for two reasons. One is because I don't think what you said was quite right. Second of all, I just want to be on record disagreeing with James Stack. And he agreed.

He said, no, no, I said it wrong. This is what I meant to say. So that's certainly. So it's a fun panel. So I agree with you. I love the panel discussions. Well, I'll put it here and then I'll put it at the end. But I would love to have you on a panel discussion with Tom Longgo and Alice Craneer.

I think that'd be a ton of fun to see live in person. I just get to throw that out there. Right. No, no, I'll try to get there. I just, I had other shit. I was supposed to go to the Swiss Alps this, this spring with one of the most amazing connections that you might not even know them by name. But years ago, guy named Tony Deedon reached out to me and just called me. And we chatted for a long time.

And he's this very mysterious money manager in Switzerland. And he manages generational wealth, right? He's one of these guys who make sure that the grandchildren are taken care of. And I said, you should do an interview with Grant Williams. when he was doing Real Vision. And Tony said, okay. And so I introduced the two to each other. And then I watched the interview.

And Grant takes a camera crew to the Swiss Alps. And then he introduces the interview saying, this is the first interview Tony's ever done. I go, what? What? He goes, yeah, this is the first interview Tony's ever done. And so he said that on the interview. And then he did a two-part, big interviews,

spent a couple days with Tony. So one day Tony says, well, you know, I want you to come spend time on my 25-acre strawberry farm on Crete. And I actually said, no, thank you. And so you're in good company with the no-thank-you part. But my wife has health problems. It's very hard to travel. And so then he came to New York City, and he contacted me and said,

I want to come to Ithaca. So he drove up to Ithaca from New York City, and we spent the whole day just sitting on my deck. What's sitting on my deck look like? I'm going to show you this. This is fucking unbelievable. That's sitting on my deck. That's pretty good view.

That's, that's, that, my, my house is hanging off a hundred foot cliff. That's, that's, that's, I should go outside and do this. Fuck. Let's see if I can do that. That'll be interesting. My house was hanging off a hundred foot cliff. I can, I can literally, you know, throw a piece of rotten fruit or something. and hit the

water. So here I am. Yeah, so this is Kuga Lake. I'll do a selfie. Yeah, this is Kuga Lake, right? I feel sorry for the people not watching. It's too fucking cold. It's not quite warm enough yet.

I'm going back in. What was the old show they did? Well, they probably still do it, where they tour famous people's houses. I feel like I'm getting that from, from Dave today. Yeah, here's the slave torture chamber in the basement. So then he calls,

I was supposed to go there in May because he calls me. He says, I'm going to make an offer. I can't refuse 40th anniversary of our money management. He says, I want to fly you to the Alps. He says, I will pay for a private duty nurse for your wife if you need it. You know, it was just, he says, you can't say no. So I was going to go and then something changed and I think and I don't know. It could be he said, oh, fuck, calm's a douchebag after all, right?

I don't think so. Something happened either in his meeting or it was a meeting of his investors. I was supposed to be the lecturer. I was supposed to lecture to him. Or maybe he sensed that I was feeling the pressure from it and he felt bad and he backed away, but he backed away. And traveling, I don't look forward to traveling. So to do Tucker, I was going to go to Maine, but we just throw my wife in the car and the dogs in the car and drive to Maine. So that's easy.

No, I completely, you're like on this side, I completely understand, right? You know, it's no hard feelings on this end. We just go, you'd be a welcome addition, right? You'd be a fun person. I'll try. I'll try next year, I just. I want to know, you know, on all the research you've done into all the dark areas of the world, right? I follow, like, I follow you on Twitter and, you know, and you retweet some videos.

I start watching, I'm like, man, this is heavy stuff. You got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got Petey on trial right now. You think anything's going to come of that or? No. Or, I don't know. They've ringed fence. P. Diddy's story. And I don't even know why they had to arrest him. I guess because someone sued him. All of a sudden we go, okay, we got to clip P. Diddy off at the kneecaps. The P. Diddy story,

I believe, reaches deep into the political system. Whitty Webb has connected him up with the whole Epstein network and said, look, this is not just some generic bad behavior of rap. right. I'm shocked, right? Rappers are behaving badly. What are the odds of that, right? One of the things that makes the story hard to contain is that unlike Epstein, whose inner circle were presidents of countries and stuff, Diddy had a ton of very poorly behaved friends. And so there was nothing, it wasn't going to be easy to contain the story. But I think they're going to successfully contain it. So it's going to end up being a bunch of gay, purvy, whatever rappers doing weird shit with young boys like Justin Bieber.

And it's going to look really bad for them, but I don't think it's going to get outside that circle. That's my guess. Now, I've seen videos of, you know, LeBron is up to his ass and the stuff, so he really has a lot to lose. There's a problem when you study the stuff, which I do, as you know, I don't just occasionally see it. I study it because I'm trying, for those who wonder why, I believe that the geopolitics are being controlled by compromised people. And I'm trying to understand compromising. I'm trying to understand what that is. And you can't convict someone on proximity.

So I can show you pictures of Oprah with P. Diddy. I can show you with all these bad people. And the names aren't coming to me. This is senior moment here. Again, maybe I've got Biden syndrome. But you can't say she's guilty because she hang out with P. Diddy, because black entertainers are going to hang out with black entertainers. And that whole world is about networking.

And so, you know, you turn out to be a purve. I'm not guilty because I talk to you, you know, that sort of thing. But then, of course, then you'll see a picture of Oprah with a guy. name Father of God who runs a pedophilic cult and is now doing 50 life sentences in prison. You go, yeah, that's getting a little weird. Oprah keeps showing up in strange ways. And so the guilt by association starts making your head scratch a little bit. I think there are connections and I think they're real.

But, you know, LeBron, there's actually a picture of them. You don't know if it's real or fake, but wearing a dress. there's pictures of there's videos of lebron saying you know you're after after hours parties your freakoffs are the best of them all you know that sort of thing and we know that's where the bad should happen so lebron i think is in trouble i think a lot of guys are in trouble denzil washington apparently stormed out of one of his parties when he realized what was going on so he he might be clean i think denzil probably but um i think i think hollywood is corrupt to the core for the most part. I think it's very hard to be in Hollywood without,

and it's not just loose moral standards. I mean, I think it's a much deeper, darker corruption. So, what do you, when you say not loose moral standards, is it much deeper, darker corruption? I guess could you just, well, Nickelodeon, for example, was pedophilia from head to toe, the whole show, everything. All those guys, all those kids were all getting raped and molested. And Nickelodeon, people got thrown in prison eventually. Disney has a systemic problem.

Disney has it's not, of course Disney has kids in Disneyland and Disney World places like that. So I say, of course. No, no, no, they have problems. You look at their movies and stuff. There's very strange things going on there. Walt was a 33rd degree mason, which takes you down rabbit holes that are just so crazy.

But that was a, Who was a 33-degree Mason? Walt Disney. Really? And I used to argue that to set up Disney World must have involved incredible backroom deals because you don't buy a – it must be what, 20 square miles or something? I mean, it's really a ridiculously big facility. You don't buy up land like that without having some sort of special capabilities, right?

people noticed that someone's buying up all the land, right? And it turns out that he was tied in guys like Angleton and from the CIA. So the CIA shell companies were helping them buy up all the land. And I think what it probably came down to is someone who didn't want to sell, got kneecapped and sold and got capped and sold, I think. So the CIA has strong ties with Disney from Disney in the early days. and here's the problem. So I finished a book by Ganyi Mori Terry about David Berkowitz.

And the Berkowitz story is that he's a solo serial killer. I think there's actually quite a handful of those guys who were not solo, quite a handful. I can show you pictures of John Wayne Gase who is Rosalind Carter. What hell is that all about, right? And a guy named Mori Terry told this very detailed narrative where he dug into it after Son of Sam was finally caught. And the story didn't hold together very well. So there were too many different sketch artists, too many different views.

Someone said, I saw the guy shoot him. He was long stringy, blonde hair. You know, I saw that it was a yellow VW, no, it was a blue Chevrolet, you know. And the story that unraveled was, is that it. It was a vast network of satanic bastards. And the Satanism is a common theme. And I don't quite know why. It might be part of the corruption mechanism.

But the satanic themes run through this, this Berkowitz story. Berkowitz appeared to have been affiliated with a nationwide satanic cult with strong footholds in L.A. and I think Chicago and place like that. And as people in the group, there's a group of 22 civility, as people came at risk of being out in, they were dying. So as they were trying to unravel the network, the network members were kicking over hard. And then it turns out it connects it up with, the moratorium connects it up with the Scientology. If you read about Scientology, you will shit up. a brick. It is just not a church. It is not just a griff to get money from people. It is,

it is utter darkness. And if the Scientologists decide to take it out on you, you're in a world of trouble. So they, for example, one of the stories about Scientology, I know I'm a little schizophrenic here, the IRS was going to declare them not a for-profit organization. It's a cult. That's what a Scientology is a cult, period. And they were, were a not-for-profit and they were going to get it taken away. And Scientology dropped 2,400 lawsuits on the IRS and got them to stop. I mean, it really, they really, and the deal was cut. They said, look, we'll make the 24-100 lawsuits go away, but you make sure we're not-for-profit because it was critical to their. So Scientology owns billions of dollars of real estate around

the world. And you got guys like Tom Cruise, who seems whacked out of his mind. Trevolt, who was there and he shut the fuck up a guy named beg a he was in one of the cop shows there's there's a there's a there's a documentary that apparently is a multi-emmy award nominee nominated documentary which doesn't mean anything but it was pretty good where they they interviewed people who were former scientologists and they tortured people they did all these unimaginable things so so underneath the surface um underneath the surface of of civil society, there's some pretty uncivilized characters. And I'm not talking about, you know, the mob, you can say it's uncivilized. No, they're just for profit, you know, they occasionally

cap people, but usually they're people who deserve to be capped also, so who cares? Now, Scientology is pretty weird. Berkowitz connects up with that, and he was terrified in prison. Once he was in there, he realized that he was at great risk. And so, and anyway, more Jerry writes the book. And then I just this morning read something, a guy claiming that everything Terry said was wrong. So what do you do with that? But the guy says it, I watched a couple things he did,

a couple podcasts. I go, I don't believe him. Looks like bullshit to me. You know, the one that sticks out to me on Scientology is the lady from King of Queens, Leah Remini, Rem. I don't know how to say it last. I don't know. She's the one who came up in Scientology, wasn't she?

I'm spacing. Well, so for example, there was, there's this big debate. So four guys left Scientology, four really high-ranking guys. So you can see pictures of them, you can see things, them saying stuff before. And they come out and they said, the whole thing is so fucked up. You know, if you need to be reprogrammed, they throw you in this thing, they call the hole. People spent up to seven years in the hole. It's that crazy.

And then and then and then there's this inside edition or something episode where they interview the four wives of these guys who are in the church still. And they're all saying, no, my husbands are just lying. And it's called dissociation. They call it dissociating, where is a member of this cult. You're supposed to, if the person tries to leave the cult, you are not to deal with them. And so, you know, like there's kids who are born into it and their parents leave and they can't get their kids out, things like that. So who interviewed these people? Anderson Cooper.

And you go, well, that's a pretty credible interview. No, it's not. It turns out. Anderson Cooper has rumors of a very dark past, very dark past. He was a Vanderbilt. And the Pizagate crowd thinks that he was, he was a child of considerable abuse. And I've seen him, I saw him say something once that was really creepy, weird,

some statement about who he can identify. He says, I can identify with any lists of different groups. Some of the things he lists, I've gone, oh, boy, that was strange. So where is, so underneath the surface, there might be this, you know, zombie apocalypse below the surface that it's kept behind closed doors, you know. A lot of the, here's a question I like to ask people. People are having trouble coping with what I'm telling them. They're going, I don't believe this.

What I like to do is say, look, how many people are said to be, how many kids are said to be trafficked every year, right? How many? And the answer is usually, you go to the FBI, you go to CIA, you go to, you know, International Association of Missing and Abuse Children. There's all sorts of organizations. that are supposedly getting money to deal with this, right? And I said, how many, how many, how many people?

The answer is usually in the million zone. It's, you know, it can be one million, can be five million, very soggy numbers because no one really knows. Your Prius, you know, all the cobalt being mined out of Congo, slave labor from this sort of shit. But there's also the sex trafficking, there's Oregon trafficking, there's all sorts of things. And so then I'd like to ask the question. And a lot of it's, there's the sex trafficking is the one that we would, would, we'd

catch most people's attention. So even on mainstream media, you can hear, you know, NBC or something, you hear someone say, talk about child trafficking, right? This is now kind of a common statement. And then you'll see stories, heartwarming stories of kids being recovered. But I like to ask people who said, okay, a million kids a year, how many people can you name who've been arrested for receiving one of these children? Can you name any? You might be able to use sick fights. talk. But most people cannot. The one that they might get is someone like Denny Hastert, who did several years in prison, Speaker of the House. But I was on a Zoom call three weeks ago with two famous victims, one's a woman named Juliet Engle, who I didn't know well, but the other one

is probably the most famous, one of the two most famous named Kathy O'Brien. And if she's not the most famous, the other one is Anna Call Lucas. And these are women who sort of pulled themselves away from the cult. Cults. And they describe the horrors. And it's a very complicated story because they get brainwashes kids. The brainwashing is horrific. I mean, they really torture the kids. They make them eat cadavers and stuff. It's just bad stuff. They rape them. They torture them. They do things to them. And they get what's called D.I. called dissociative identity disorder and they get multiple personalities. Their brain's just fragment.

And according to Nick Bryant, who I spent a lot of time chatting with, he says, it's a science now. They can rip a personality apart so fast you wouldn't know. And then they reassemble it. They basically train you. So it's like training, the interesting analogy I saw training working dogs. So they breed them. And kids are bred into the system.

It's so strange. But the other strange thing is that parents actually traffic their own kids into the system. So in a bit, the kids are, the dogs, the working dogs, they breed them for temperament. And then they start training them. And then what they do is they pay very close attention to what the dog is like, right? Dogs have different personalities. I have four heading for five. And then some of them don't make it, right?

Probably half of them just don't have the temperament needed. And there's a seven-year waiting list to get one of those dogs because the dogs who miss that are still the most amazing dogs on the planet. And then they figure out what the dogs are good at. And then what they do is they have customers, some Vietnam veteran, some person who's been in some traumatic situation. a blind guy, you name it, right? And they match the dogs with the person and say, oh, this guy right here, he needs a real blob. Give him the blob of the Labrador over there, you know, that sort of thing.

And they do that with trafficking kids. And so one of the women, Julian Engel, she got an MD. She's a doctor. But she had no memory of her childhood. None. She had none. And it turns out, these different personalities when they break apart, they don't know about each other. So you might have 13 different. There's a famous case of an artist who painted some of those horrific art who had multiple personalities

and one was nurturing and one was a fighter and all these different personalities. And they don't know about each other. So if you're talking to one, she can't tell you about the other one. And she can't remember. She doesn't know anything about it. And so I was on the Zoom call, and Kathy, what gets complicated,

it gets complicated is that, and again, Nick is the most scholarly guy I know in this world. And I've been both on a podcast with him and had long conversations with him. And then I had him in the Zoom group I'm in. And he came and gave a talk, two and a half hour talk. And so Nick really knows this stuff. And in some, Kathy talks about people who raped her, Gerald Ford. Right? And you go, really, Gerald Ford?

Well, that gets to the geopolitical question. What's the role of Gerald Ford raping a child? Where does that fit in that geopolitics? This same Dr. Zoom group, by the way, we had Carlo Vagano, who's number three of the Vatican, who called out the Vatican and called out the leaders of the world. He said the leaders of the world are a bunch of pedophiles. I mean, this is the number three at the Vatican. What they do?

They excommunicated them last year. So in any event, so Kathy is there. And what gets complicated, she talks about things that happened. But she's been immersed in the world of recovery and giving talks and stuff such that there's also on top of that, the scholarship. So she can talk about DID and what happens and why it happens and how you figure it and stuff like that. So you get this odd mix of this person who's talking about.

memories that are horrific and at the same time sounding like a clinical psychologist. And you go, where's the truth here? There's a problem here. And so I was asking Julie Engel a couple of questions because I actually first saw her do in an interview by the guy named JJ Carroll, who's a border guard. You know, JJ? Yeah, I've listened to him. And he started life is a border guard who was appalled by how much was being let across the border under Biden, right? So it's 25-year border guard. But he has now morphed into a trafficking pito hunter, I call him. And so I watched him transform.

So I did a podcast with him and stuff like that. I watched him transform from the borders perforated to, holy shit, look what's happening here, that sort of thing. And he interviewed Juliet. And I thought he asked very good questions. And she seemed to like be having memory surfaced during the interview. And I go, she's been doing this. She's been in this recovery phase. She ran sort of an underground railroad rush to help kids get away, things like that.

And I go, she shouldn't have a lot of fresh memory surfacing, right? This should not be an epiphany. And I was having trouble with that. And so when I tried to ask her in the most benign way imaginable. Because I'll tell you, if you've been trafficked, the less thing you deserve or want to have happened to you is someone saying, I don't believe you, right? I mean, that's particularly. So I asked for the question, so how do you handle the fact that you've got these memories

that you've had to retrieve that now are pretty vivid with the fact that even a person who's brought up in a normal household? They say that memories are complicated because you start remembering the memory and it can distort over time. And yours are actually being retrieved from being having. totally forgotten. And now you're retrieving them. And on that, you overlay the fact that you've been studying this stuff. How do you, how do you, how do you sort that out? How do you keep all that separate? I tried to say it in a way like that, where it was, you know, intellectual, not challenging,

you know, do you have tricks to do? And she got defensive very quickly. And so I reached out to Nick, and I mentioned that. I said, you know, Julia, is she credible? He said, yes, yes. And he said, he said, When you talk to these women, of which he's talked to many, their memory suck. I mean, you can't judge them based on whether or not they remember things correctly because they're a fucking dumpster fire, basically. And again, they're trying to piece their personalities back together. But you reach a point where you can spot a person. I might be wrong about this, but I have this sense that at least something.

some of the victims, their personality goes flat. And so, so, so, so, you know, as you and I talk, you can, you can read our faces a lot, right? I can see her, you know, you're thinking and stuff like that. They, they seem to go flat where, where Anika Lucas can talk about being made to eat the carcass of her half, a half-rodded carcass of a young boy when she was young, you know, that sort of thing. Because she said she was hungry and, and they gave her a puppy, they made her kill it. It's just awful, awful, awful stuff. This is how they break them. But it's done in this way that there's just no person.

There's no emotion there. And I don't. And so when I'm watching a TED talk by a woman who's defending pedophilia, I go, you know, she said it's really just kind of a personal choice, right? There's a movement out there to do this. Who's behind it? The guys who don't want to get arrested for pedophilia. Let's start with that.

And I watch her, I go, she's been trafficked. She's doing a TED talk. She's been trafficked defending pedophilia, right? I'm going, this is a strange TED talk. But you could tell. And then the story that I told to Luongo, Consular and Mike Ferris the other day, which she said you'll listen to, was the one where JFK Jr. read a poem by a nine-year-old girl.

this is one of these puzzle pieces where I go, I don't need to see what it connects to. It stands alone as bizarre beyond belief. In his magazine, George, he published a poem by a nine-year-old girl that she had written. And he takes that and he's about to start reading it. And Lano and he are laughing. And as I say, I don't think they understood what they had there. I think they thought it was just kind of ironic. and you'll see why in a minute.

But so he says, he says, I'm going to burn in hell for reading this poem and he's laughing. If he really understood what this poem was, I think he wouldn't have been laughing. He wouldn't have read it on Leno. But he starts reading this poem by this nine-year-old girl. The first line is, I am a very yummy nine-year-old girl. And I go, boom, red flag, right? That's not how nine-year-old girls talk. Then she says, I'm yummy in a very weird way.

Boom, now the red flag. And then she says, think of me as a big. big piece of dough with all the toppings. I go, boom, Peepsagate right on the money. She's been trafficked. That nine-year-old girl was Monica Lewinsky. So now you get to completely rewrite history here because you say, okay, so, so, so Clinton wasn't getting hummers from a groupie in the White House. He was getting hummers from a girl who had been trafficked her whole life. That's a completely different story. And you could tell that JFK and Leno, they just didn't understand what they were talking about.

And you can find it on YouTube. It's trivial to find. You search JFK Jr., J. Lino, Lewinsky. Why did he read it? I don't think he, well, because the scandal was going on. So somehow this poem surfaced, he got his mitts on it. Not understanding the pizza side of it, maybe, but like the first, as you point out, the first time.

Well, they thought it was ironic that she kind of foreshadowed her. future. Really? And would you, it's like they were not. Dave, if you started reading that, would you think that was funny and that she was foreshadowing her future in the first two lines? Well, but the Clinton scandal, if you live through it, it was to those who weren't big Clinton fans, somewhat entertaining to watch him get put on the rope.

So I don't think if it was something that didn't indicate trafficking, I would understand why they do it. But that then led me to another sort of interesting thought that there's a picture of Bill Clinton meeting JFK Senior when Bill was in high school. And I just sit there and I go, you know, that just seems improbable. And people defended, like Consular said, you know, well, you know, he was ambitious. And then I said he was a hick from Arkansas. I don't think he had a father at home. And I sort of po- Jim is very prone to not endorsing, to not endorsing conspiracies.

Jim really has to be pulled over on a conspiracy, which is fine. I mean, I go there fast. But I said, well, what if Clinton was groomed the whole way? Right? What if Bill, the Mina, Arkansas, the, My Zoom group had Tony Schaffer, who was a very famous, very, very famous military intelligence guy who got booted because he started calling out some shit. And I was fact-checking the shit out of them. And you talk about being with Rumsfeld like Google, and there's Tony Schaffer and Rumsfeld together, you know.

And so at the end of the thing, I asked him about trafficking. And I said I was interested in the role of trafficking and controlling geopolitics. he started talking about Epstein. I probably should have let him talk more, but I kind of interrupted him and said, Tony, I'm interested in the darker stuff. To me, Epstein is dark, but not that dark.

It's disturbing because if everyone's blackmailed, if everyone's compromised, and it means decisions are being made that are otherwise inexplicable, right? And that's why I dug into this crap, right? And but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, and you can say, well, you know, banging 17 year old girls is, you know, but, but 17 year old girls have some amount of agency. Bang and five year old girls is not, right? That's a, they're in different categories.

And, um, and they were, I think. And so, um, so, so I asked him, I said, does the, I have a simple question. and does the Clinton Foundation traffic children? He said, oh, absolutely. And then I gave a talk on this stuff. You know, we're kind of talking about this now where I'm free associate. I went through my notes for two hours.

It was a two and a half hour Zoom talk with this group. This group was an anti-vaccine group. And it just went down a rabbit hole after rabbit hole. And all of a sudden, next thing you know, they're figuring out that the world is fucked up beyond comprehension. These are surgeons and, you know, one of the first ones that I was at, you know, Bobby Kennedy was our guest speaker, and we've had all sorts of very interesting. Senator Ron Johnson was there. Anyone who's famous in the COVID world

was in this group at one time or another. And so I gave this talk with about 30 minutes left, the CIA guy showed up. Or what? And the guy runs the group says, oh, I've known him for 25 years. I called him and asked him to come. And I don't know if he's CIA, CIA. adjacent works with the CA for the CIA. I didn't know. He's got a book out there. I've got notes on and I can't remember his name. I'm not holding back. I just can't remember it. And they asked him to summarize what's going on and he told the same story I told. He hadn't been listening to me. He shows up and then they asked him to sort of summarize CIA trafficking and stuff and the shit he said was completely compatible with what I had said. And then there was this funny moment where we're, they started

asking us questions. And for some reason, the dynamics were, let's, they asked me first. And then the CIA guy second. And I'd answer the question. The CIA guy would say, yeah, that's pretty much correct. So it was like an answer key for me in college. And at the end, someone asked about stop. He says, well, you're not going to stop it. Because he said, he said, he said, probably 20% of the CIA is directly or indirectly involved in child trafficking. and that's consistent with what I know. That is consistent. When you, if I go back to, you know, there's been, you know, in our conversation today,

I was just rattling off some of the groups, you know, like Disney being a Mason, you got the Scientology group, you got Epstein, you got Pete Ditty. I would add one more in Bohemian Grove. Oh my God, yeah, the Alex Jones breakthrough was. Bohemian Grove. Did you see the, by the way, the interview of David Gergan by Alex Jones? So David Gergan is, of course, one of these very prominent guys. You know, Sunday morning roundtable. Let's talk about what's going on in Vietnam or whatever. Sure. Huge player. Alex Jones catches him off guard, jams a microphone in his face and says, says, why do you go to Bohemian Grove? And Gurgen gave the worst possible answers imaginable.

This is young Alex Jones. And Gurgen says, it's none of your business. And then Alex Jones starts talking about satanic shit and stuff like that. And Gurgen, instead of saying, what the fuck are you talking about? Says, what people do in privacy is none of your business? What were you doing there? And, you know, he was acting guilty as shit. I mean, and then Jones, when he finished,

asking him question after question, Gergin, given the worst possible answers. Jones turns to the camera and goes, yes, like that. He realized he had the winning. So search Alex Jones, David, David, I believe I've watched. Well, I will to make sure I've seen it because I feel like I have.

Now I interrupted you rudely. No, no, no. I just, I'm trying to formulate a question on this side because I, like, I rattled all these all off. And the further you go back in history, the more you see that they're like, you know,

Epstein Island isn't just some brand unique idea. Maybe the island itself and, but the honey pot idea of like compromising powerful people is an old idea. This goes way, way, way back. So when you're... It's just the dawn of civilization. Probably.

And so like, that's both terrifying and comforting all at the same time to realize these ideas, you know, there's nothing new under the sun. It's just playing out in a new way. I'm wondering about, so Dave, you go down all these rabbit holes.

And you talk about, you know, just because they get a picture, you know, I think of Mark Carney, our new prime minister, right? Oh my God.

He's got a picture with Jillian Maxwell. And you go, everyone, he was out of, and it's like, well, hold the phone because if I'm watching what Dave does,

you go, just because there's a picture, doesn't mean. That's guilt by proximity. That's not a valid. Right. So when you're going down these rabbit holes, when does it start to be like, holy crap, I think X is actually way more involved. Is it on things they say?

Is it multiple pictures? You know, if it's a picture with Epstein, Epstein has pictures with tons of people. He's in these different social, you know, you do P. Diddy. It's like before you knew any of this, you could, P.Dady is, was a huge icon in the entertainment world. And so for for for Bill Cosby, Bill Cosby. Right.

And so. Harvey Weinstein. Yeah. So when does it become more than just proximity for you? Well, the other question is when does it become more than just pervy fox doing bad behavior? Right. So the casting couch in Hollywood's famous, right? I don't think people thought that the casting couch included six year olds on Nickelodeon.

Right. I think if you watch, for example, there's a. six-part documentary on Britney Spears, who appears to have been just abused from head to toe. And I believe that Hollywood is an important part of a big geopolitical picture because it is a critical hub for messaging. And so there's this phenomenon for want of a better term. I call it fictionalizing reality. And there's there's there's there's movies that that are stunningly related to things that you uncover.

So for example, eyes wide shot. Eyes wide shot, Tom Cruise, right? We start with Tom Cruise, right? Eyes Wide Shots a satanic cult, right, of elite and powerful people. And so in some sense, I think what they do is one of Hollywood's, job is to message, right? It's even getting more complicated because the Chinese are now starting to use it to message Americans through it and stuff like that. But born identity, right? That's MK. Ultra. And so, but what do you do? Well, what happens is someone tells you, I tell you that,

you know, they're training assassins from age five. I even heard, you know, boys at five, girls at six, something like that. And you immediately go, oh, born identity, which kind of neuters it. It kind of sanitizes it. So the picture of Prince Andrew with Joufrey, who killed herself recently. And the internet says she obviously was offed by the bad guys. Nick Bryant came out and said, no, I don't think so. Nick Bryant wrote a very detailed analysis and said, no, I think she did kill herself in this case. But, but, but, but, um, so you see a picture of Prince Andrew with a 17 year old, which is way better than if people are talking about him with five year olds.

And so, so it kind of puts up a wall. And so you say, you get the, ooh, but no worse. You hear about Harvey Weinstein banging starlets, but no worse. And, and you hear about, you know, Pete. did he and his gay rappers, but no worse. One of the other things I'd like to add in, because this was Martin Armstrong who pointed me out to this, at least a year ago,

as Epstein Island was in, forgive me if I'm wrong on this, I believe it's in U.S. territory, correct? I don't know, actually. I would think it's a protectorate of some kind, yeah. And the legal age in the United States for consent with sex is 18. right and he said okay well why did they do it there and not say the UK and I'm like well what do you even mean and the legal the legal age for sex in the UK is 16 right so by doing it

in a different country where there's different laws when you do it doesn't make it right it just it's just it points out the fact that at 16 in the UK you can legally consent to sex so yeah but it was much younger than that. So it was underneath the cutoff for all of them. Eric Weinstein one time in an interview with William X, what's his name, you know, famous British podcaster. William, fuck, my brain is not working today. In any event, he said with these rich guys, these rich guys can get all the six they want, what X, what Epstein provided them was, uh, secrecy. And so, and so Epsine guaranteed that they could go to his island and do whatever

kinky stuff they wanted, and it would never come out. And it essentially never did, right? We know about the island and it's whole that it leaked out, but it, we, we've just never gotten the goods. We've never, we, we just, you know, former president of the United States, who some people still adore, obviously it was a rapist, right? That seems, pretty clear. And if he wants to take me to court saying that, let's go through discovery. That'll be fun. And yet half of America is still like the guy. How is that possible? Right? And so there's a picture of like Kier Starrmer, right? Kier Starrmer's in the news a lot lately. there's a picture of Keir Starmer being hugged by Jimmy Seville when he was nine years old,

eight or nine years old. Jimmy Seville was the most famous pedophile, not only a pedophile, but a trafficker of children to the royal family years back. And I've also got a I've got a videotape of Boris Johnson in Parliament or whatever it is, you know, whatever the fucking Brits do. ripping into Kare Starmer saying, you're the guy who refused to prosecute Jimmy Seville. And I'm going, well, I think we know why, right? And Jimmy Seville got knighted.

He was a pedophile. He was a globally prominent pedophile. He got knighted. And then there's the funny, these are just anecdotes. I mean, these are just things you pick up and trying to piece them together into a coherent story is almost impossible. but Candace Owens, who's not stupid at all and not reckless, but way out over her skis now, she started talking about Macron. Now, Maloney's been ripping Macron like there's no tomorrow.

I love Maloney. She's fantastic. But Candice starts picking out Macron and starts doing a genealogical search. I think she's into this genealogical stuff because she realizes it's where the, it's where the information is. So, so everyone seems to agree that Macron's wife is a dude, right? This is even more than Big Mike. Macron's wife supposedly just, you know, they deny it, but, but it's like, it's like, oh yeah, and by the way, you know, Liberace was gay. One of those things. And so Macron's wife, her. Her origin story is very difficult, but the claim is that she was Macron's teacher when

Macron was 15 and she started banging them at 15. That's the origin story. Yes. But the question, her origin story is very difficult to trace. You can't find information about her. There's supposedly a picture of her getting married. You go, that's not her. The facial feature.

It's just not her. And it turns out to make a very long story short what Candace has concluded. is that Macron's father not only is a dude, Macron's wife is not only a dude, but Macron's wife is Macron's father. And what do you make of that? I just sit there and look in awe. But if Macron's wife is a dude,

you're already pretty deeply into the bizarro. and and and and and and so um and so it's not it's not as big a step to get to the next one and so there's a there's a there's a there's a i can't even make the connections again i have all these notes on it but but the the the the brother of the woman who supposedly is macron's wife in the wedding looks like looks like um his wife You see, and it turns out the family had close sides were the most famous reconstructive surgeon for gender shit and stuff. I mean, there's, Candace has been piecing this together. She's on maternity leave right now, so we're not getting anything new.

But I don't know how you know when you've crossed the line. You start putting pieces together. This is sort of a Whitney Webb problem, right, where she says, okay, this guy worked for Crowell Associates and there are a CIA cutout. and then he gets he he shoots you know the judge who just took on the Epstein case so this is how when he does it it's like a jigsaw puzzle and and it's at some point you get puzzle pieces of fit together and say okay I've run out of simple explanations and I don't I'm not an investigative reporter so what I'm doing is piecing together the stories that have already been pieced together where I just didn't know that some guy did a two-hour podcast on that topic and someone will send it

me and I go oh wow okay you know I didn't know that there was a six-part series on brittany spears getting getting just the crap kick got out of what makes a uh an investigative reporter Dave like somebody who some reporters when it gets to the primary source sure but it's somebody who in the internet somebody who yeah sure but somebody who invest a lot of time trying to figure out the answers yeah what's what's the the book on um k a k a chaos Chaos. I read chaos and I thought I was being a whack job reading it and then I started doing podcasts and people say, oh, that's a great book. And then and then one day, Glenn Greenwald raved about it. And I go, oh, shit. It's a bestseller, it turns out. But you read it. And at times, you're just waiting for him to drop the hammer of like, here's the answer. But all it does is just raise more questions. Like it certainly drags you to a point. But, but like there's a ton of people who just won't talk. And then. they'll talk and then they'll do no i'm not talking anymore and they or they die or they die yeah so i used a metaphor which it turns out i got wrong and i'm going to um i'm going to um correct it right now

um i said that you go down a rabbit hole and you realize that you've entered go beckley teppy which is that 10,000 year old city that's yes that was buried Well, it turns out, Gobeckley-Tepi is not buried. The one that's buried is called D-R-I-N-K-U-Y-U, and it's a multi-level ancient underground city, also in Turkey. So that's the proper metaphor, but Go-Bekli-Tepi, the problem is everyone knows that one, and they don't know Durankyu. But if you search that, you'll find, there's, so in ancient times, when you hit against the back, guys, the images you hit up on a mountain top somewhere where it was an impenetrable fortress. Turns out they went underground. That's why, for example, in Gaza, there's tunnels, right?

A lot of these are very ancient tunnels that were dug by people trying to hide from marauders. And so, so in any minute, you get on a rabbit hole and you discover you've just entered, you know, another metaphor might be, you know, an African termite nest, right? and it's just you just keep going and going. You keep finding new channels and new, and ironically, in the child trafficking world, tunnels are an extremely common phenomenon. So, for example, the McMartin daycare. That was my first exposure to pedophile networks.

So this daycare facility was molesting children and some shrink went in and interviewed all the kids and they supposedly said things that kids shouldn't know and stuff like that. And it made no sense to me because I go, how do you get all these people together in a daycare facility all without someone ratting them out? And it turns out I was wrong about that. It is through the network and the web that you derive your strength and stability. It's the cult. There's a cult factor there.

But then I saw a documentary years later. So that didn't make sense to me. These people went to prison. And then years later, the kids recanted. And I said, oh, that now makes sense. They were coerced into saying that shit. Turns out that's a very standard thing. Like in the Franklin scandal in Omaha, Nebraska, the FBI shows up and all of a sudden,

all the kids are recanting because the FBI says, look, we're going to hit you with, we're going to hit you with all sorts of charges. going to go prison for 20 years for perjury. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and the kids said, now the guy didn't molest me after all when in fact, the Franklin scandal was very real. But a couple held tough. A couple held tough and said, no, I am, you can put me in fucking prison. I'm not changing my story. The finder scandal's an interesting one where, um, three independent police operations uncovered in that work that obviously they were pulling on this octopus from different. tentacles, right? They each three independently got on it and then they realized they were connecting

the dots. So they started talking to each other. The FBI shows up and then it's gone. It's just gone. The FBI is not an honest organization. It's a praetorian guard. One thing I want to make sure, you talked about, you know, you go down a rabbit hole and you end up at Gobeckley-Tepi. And you're saying that isn't correct. I want to to make sure because i'm positive it was buried and i was looking it up gobecui teppe was deliberately buried around 8 000 bc so okay that's right that was it was buried that that that's the wasn't an underground city though wasn't an underground city though wasn't an underground the massive t-shaped limestone pillars circular enclosures were carefully covered with earth stones and

debris effectively preserving the site for millennia archaeologists believe this burial was intentionally possibly for ritualistic or for cultural reasons blah blah blah blah blah blah okay okay Okay, that's where I got that from then. I wondered why I had gotten that wrong. Someone in the comments section a couple days ago pointed out, I was thinking of the wrong one and they gave me the other one. The other one is an underground city. Now, the reason McMartin's story is interesting is that after I thought that it had been sort of,

I hate the word debunk. The reason I hate the word debunk is because it sounds like a person who is formed a conclusion is now setting out to prove it, whereas what you should do is, start with a hypothesis, this is very sciencey, and say, I'm going to examine, I'm going down this rabbit hole. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What's there? Now, something like Michael Shermer, I read one of his books. I said, okay, to be fair, let's get one of the great debunkers. Let's read his book. And I thought his book was bullshit. I thought it was crap. And I thought he was just, he just, he didn't, he never met a conspiracy that he didn't want, he didn't think was bullshit. I got to tell you,

Michael, you know, men and women of wealth and power conspire. Period. Period. Well, you go back to, you go back to any of these groups that we've talked about. I'll rattle them off again, the Masons, Bohemian Grove, Scientology, Epstein, P. Ditty, all these different things are conspiracies. Until you start looking at it and you're like, uh, where there's smoke, there's fire folks. And, and, and it depends on how dark it is. So it was, you know, you know, Russia collusion story was a huge conspiracy. huge, enormous. How do you keep it secret? They didn't keep it secret. It didn't matter.

It was just propaganda. There's a book called Live Not by Lives, which is about propaganda. I urge people to start reading about propaganda so that you at least understand what you're up against. And Live Not By Life talks about trying to preserve Christianity in the Soviet Union. And where you lose, where you lose is when the parents stop telling the kids the truth for fear that they will blurt it out. and then get in trouble. And then all of a sudden you have a generation who's been lied to since birth. Like I argue, for example, climate change is a lie from head to toe. And I dug into it thinking it was real.

And within five hours, perforations in the story were insufferable. They were problematic. I sat down with Constantine Kyson, who's really smart. And he gave a talk at the Oxford Union on climate change. He gave a debate, actually. It was brilliant. And I spent about an hour with him. And I said, how long did it take you to figure out that climate change was bullshit?

He said, oh, a couple hours. No more. It takes much more to fill in the gaps. Sure. But you quickly discover the lies. You go, they're lying to me. Don't lie to be Big Mike, right? Why are you lying?

And as soon as someone lies to you, then, then, you know, that's how I spotted the Vegas shootings were bullshit. The Vegas shootings were bullshit from head to toe. And here's how you know. It was the biggest shooting since the Civil War. Yeah, I got going back to Gettysburg to find one that big, right? And when was the last time anyone pulled out, remember the Vegas shootings? We have to stop gun.

We have to stop selling guns. Right? No, it's never mentioned. When was the last time someone mentioned it to defend gun control? Never. Never. And the reason is because the plot fell apart so fast. And the way it fell apart for me. And by the way, my questions for Tucker include that because Tucker was the only mainstream guy. Well, he and Colter seemed to be on it too, saying there's something so wrong with the story. But I was watching in morbid curiosity. the night of the shooting. The first video's coming out. And there's 22,000 people at this concert and supposedly Paddock shot them all with 1100 rounds of whatever.

And they interviewed a guy named Mike Crunk. And he was there. And he's a hick from Alaska. Back filled, I looked. All you can find is a picture of Mike Crock with an elk holding it by the horns that he shot. And Mike Cranc was a nobody. And he told the story of his buddy

who got shot three times. in the chest. Now later a marksman told me, said, you can't get shot three times from that range. Without it being a sniper, the spray is way too big. Some guy doing this is not going to hit you three times from, you know, 300, 400 yards, whatever. But Mike says his friend who got shot stuck his fingers in his own bullet hole to stop the bleeding. I go, now you're lying to me, Mike. There is no chance that the guy who gets shot three times. times the AR-15 in the chest is putting his fingers in his own bullet holes. No chance. And so then he tells the story about how he put him on a cart and wheeled him out and got him to the hospital. And then this is at night. I mean, it's still dark and they're interviewing this guy.

And then like YouTube does, 15 seconds later, it rolls the next YouTube and there's Mike Kronk getting interviewed again. Now 22,000 people are there, but the network's interviewing Mike Kron. again, different network. He tells a story again. Same bullet hole bullshit. He's a little more emotional looking now. He looked unbelievably undisturbed the first time. He looks a little more emotional. He tells a different story. Not big difference, but he says he put him on the back of a truck. And then the thing rolls to the next YouTube and there's Mike Crunk, new network, same guy. I go, now this is a problem. Because I had noticed in the Florida nightclub shooting, they kept showing videos of the guy wearing the same stupid hat, doing all sorts of different things. I'm going, who is that guy?

And then they interviewed him later, who is that guy? There were hundreds of people in the nightclub. Why that guy? So in any event, so when that Vegas shooting occurred, the chief of police said, there's no way one guy did this. No, no human could do what we just witnessed. By the next day, he's saying there's one guy. Now, it would take weeks to figure out, months to figure out, there was one shooter or not, right? It would really take a long time. You would not be saying there's only one shooter. All these shooters, all these shooters, there's always people on the scene at the start saying there were multiple shooters and then it boils down to one shooter, crazy fuck, kill them or put them in jail, one of the two, right? And so now, what's the status of Mike Crock? Mike Crock is now a

state senator from Alaska. The chief of police became that I think the governor, of Nevada, that one of the guys who was, who was, who was the, who is critical to the Nevada shootings ended up in the line of fires. And then he ended up somewhere else. I can't remember. I've got no sense. But it's like, this guy just keeps showing up in the wrong place at the wrong time. And, and so there's a whole documentary called Route 41. And if you watch the documentary, There's so much footage showing. There were so many shooters. And they've done, they've done, you know, audio analysis.

See, you can listen to the tapes. You hear bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And you hear that, da, da, da, da, da, that, that, that. They're overlapped. You can hear the different guns, the different frequencies, the different mufflings. They're just so different. And you got, you got cops with, with the recorders on their chest saying,

we got shooter down here, we got shooter over here. You got taxi cab drivers in. There's some guy shooting out of this window. And then there's a theory, actually, the Saudis were trying to take out Mohammed bin Salman that night. He was on the top floor of the mandalay. And supposedly Keshoggi, the New York Times journalist, AK CIA guy, supposedly was involved in trying to take out Mohammed bin Salman.

And, well, to Shoggi got fed to the camels, as you recall. And apparently it was on the anniversary of the shooting in Vegas. And so there's this is a guy named John Collin who has the. Yeah, who's been on the show multiple times. Right. If you, you know, like, I don't know if you will agree with it. I just appreciate your thoughts on my theory. And that is, you know, I used to think of the world as like a big picture.

but it was puzzle piece, and you had to put the puzzle piece together, and you get, okay, there it is. And as time goes on, I feel like it's one of those, you know, blueprints or drawings

or maybe it's just art where you have pieces of paper that go on top of each other, and then you push down on them and you can see the full picture. Does that make sense? Yeah, sort of like, well, that's how DaVinci used to paint.

He would put on real thin coats of paint. And so instead of putting out red, he would put this real super diluted red and he would just put on brush stroke after a brush stroke and so there's a real dimensionality to his painting read da Vinci's um biography it's really good um yeah and and the the and i wonder if each sheet is its own puzzle to piece together and as you piece it together then and then you but so this is like you i go back to your you're not an investigative a reporter and although you uh i understand your day job and everything i go but what's fascinated about you dame is that you do so much research into the people who did all the primary and ran

into all these different pieces people and you get to kind of piece them together and on this side i get to interview in a very similar but different way right like obviously i'm talking to people and then you take with and they're all specialized and you start to bring it over here and you start to bring Like, oh, man, this is... We should bring in Nick Bryant, for example. Bring in Nick Bryant. I'll get you, Nick Bryant. Sure.

And Nick Bryant, by the way, among many things he's done, he's the guy who got Epstein's Blackbook. So you want to do a podcast with Nick. Go for it. I'll help you connect up with him. Sure. Well, yes. The answer is absolutely yes.

I just look at it and I see a guy, like, every time I talk to you, you've looked at so many different angles of how you know you look at the politicians you look at all the power brokers of the world and you know how are they being control why are they doing that why are they tied to this person well that's what got me doing that's what got me like why would you open the southern border right why would you open the southern border oh democratic thoughts i got no just rig the fucking machines the smartmatic story is absolutely crystal clear what happened in 2020 they just just rigged the machines. Let's do Smartmatic.

Let's do Tucker. This is Tucker. I got questions for Tucker. So Tucker, Fox gets sued because Tucker criticized Smartmatic. Now, Smartmatic was invented. The software was invented to rig an election in Venezuela. So you find out when the election was rigged. And there's all the video that guys getting locked out of the polling places.

I think the data is really good. And the COVID provided this huge, huge cover story. And the fact the Republicans didn't want Trump near the White House either meant that there was no one to push back. And so you could rig the election, all the mail and ballots and shit. Total crap, right? But SmartMatic, it turns out, is owned by Dominion, a Canadian company. And I say, well, I'm not comfortable with a foreign company owning our voting machines.

But the voting machines used to be controlled by DiBold, which was an American company, and the DiBold CEO was a Bush transition guy. And I'm going, well, I'm not comfortable with that either. Right. It turns out the Dominion guy, the CEO of Dominion, was a Biden transition guy. They're tied to the parties. And it turns out Dominion is a subsidiary of a company tied to UBS, which is a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a company tied to Beijing, which is why this story that they hooked up the voting

system to the Internet is so critical because that gave Beijing the reach to do what it wanted to do if Beijing was involved or whoever was involved. Now, so Tucker, so Tucker's on it, right, and Fox gets sued. And I'm thinking, okay, okay, this is getting interesting now. They settled without a whimper. Now, any other period in here, history, you would have said, look, Fox gets sued for Tucker's stories. They are taking it to the Supreme Court. This is freedom of the press, right? They don't. They settle for a while, like a billion dollars. So I go, so the first thing I thought is, well, this is going to help Dominion's share prices, share price. So I go dig out Dominion's share price, and it's, it's gone.

Dominion had been sold, had been taken private in 2018, which is, oh, that's the part of the story I missed. That's how Dominion became tied to all these companies. So they didn't have a share price. And 2018 seems like a convenient time to take them private for a 2020 election, right? But I find Dominion's revenues. And it's like 18 million a year. And so I did a little quick math. and if you do what's a company worth, some multiple of revenues,

Fox News settled for damages with Smartmatic. There were 10 times the value of the company. Those are serious damages, right? So if you wrecked my car, I don't think I'd get to sue you for a million for damage to my car. And so, so then the question is why. Well, Fox needed an excuse to fire Tucker. And when they settled, I said they're going to use it as an excuse to fire Tucker.

I said on Twitter, and then they did. And Dominion needed the cover story. I bet you know money changed hands. They needed a headline. They needed a headline to Tucker either, not because of what he had said, but because what he would say in 2020, in my opinion. Now, they misjudged the guy.

Fox kept him on payroll, which meant that kept a gag on him. But what, it kept a non-compete clause tied to him. So he was like a $25 million year guy. So he was paying for his Chinese takeout by Fox, even though they fired him. And took him off the air, I should say. What they didn't see coming is that Tucker would become an independent journalist without accepting money.

And as a consequence of that, of that, it falls under free speech. So he can't compete against them in the news world, but he can compete against them by not accepting money and just talking. And so he got in with Elon and did his delivery on Twitter, not accepting money. And therefore, he was not competing. And so Fox ended up paying for the guy who attacked Fox. And now, is Tucker totally legit? I don't know for sure. If Tucker and Elon are not legit and Trump is not legit, then it's game over at some level, right?

These are the guys we're kind of putting our hopes and dreams on that maybe someone will find a way to straighten out the system. But Tucker, I should be careful. He could cancel my goddamn interview. I want to ask him about Vegas because he was all over it. I want to ask him about the lawsuit. And he also had supposedly here, Fox had the 41,000 hours of tapes on January 6, which has problems all over it. January 6 is one of those stories that doesn't hold together at all.

I think of it as, here's what the analogy is, the deep state, red blitz, let them run in through the screen pass. And so they let them come in. Here's an entertaining fact, right? How many cops died in January 6th? Five. They tried to blame one of the deaths on, tied to January 6th. One of the deaths on a cop being beaten to death by the protesters. That turned out of it to be true of the family.

He said, no, no, he had a, he was fine. Here's videotape of him. He was fine that night. There's videotape from walking around after the fact. four more died from suicide now here's a stat and I actually used grok to check this I didn't there weren't many cops at January 6th they held back is the problem um supposedly there were 80 cops on the front line round number um five died for odd causes that's not possible that's not possible he'd say whoa it's very stressful I go no stress

Russell's walking into a goddamn trailer park with guys shooting at each other. One of the thing about January 6 is there was, there's never been a mob that was more police friendly than the January 6th mob. There were tempers flaring and bad things happening. Of course, those of us who paid close attention think that they were being done by the feds, right? And I think there were feds crawling all over that place. I've got pictures of Jacob Chansley, you know, the guy with the horns, QAnon Shaman, with Ukrainians. I've got pictures of Ray Epps. I've got a video of Ray Epps talking to John Sullivan, the Antifa guy who Antifa declared, don't trust him he's a Fed. And who filmed Ashley Babbitt getting shot, which I wrote about as being a very suspicious story. And therefore there's Antifa John Sullivan talking to Ray Epps clearly a Fed.

And they worked so hard to cover up the fact he was a Fed. And they charged him and then they dropped it. And they just, they couldn't hide the fact that Ray Epps was huge in that story. And the pipe bomb story and all sorts of crap like that. So the January 6 was to me treasonous. There should probably be, there's probably 500 people who be sent to prison for 20 years for the things. they did on January 6th, none of them were the rioters. None of them.

I would send Merrick Garland to prison. I'd put him in front of a jury of his peers. I'd put them highest standards of the law and then try to convict his ass. Do you think you ever get to a day in our lifetime where people from, you know, you mentioned January 6th, you know, COVID, you know, all the different things? COVID there's a that's a huge one right where where anyone any any notable person goes and gets tried and like convicted on a journey of their peers one person won't solve the problem i john solomon got a six-year jail sentence now i think john sullivan was a fed i think they have something

on john sullivan so he had to suck it up or something but but but the the uh by the way i would i was a I tried to write about the Ashley Babbitt shooting and Sullivan filming it and how the whole thing was wrong. If you watch it, the whole thing was wrong. There was all sorts of things happening right there when Ashley got shot. They made no sense. And I sent it to some very smart people. They said, I see what your point is. I'm not sure.

You know, it wasn't selling. And then about a year ago, Cheryl Atkinson did exactly that story. And so I was talking with Cheryl. I said, you missed this part. but this part was really good. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And she had two federal agents sitting there looking at the videotapes going, that's not right, that's not right, that's not right.

And I'm going, thank you, Cheryl. And no, getting one guy, they'll happily throw you one guy, right? The Nixon Watergate story was all about Deep State overthrowing Nixon. So if one guy won't. He went to prison for a couple years, right? If one guy won't fix it, which I agree with, then what does fix it? Is there a way to fix it? Unfortunately, I think the repair is something that's so catastrophic.

It's like chemotherapy where you have to push the patient to the edge of death to kill the tumor. That might be the fourth turning, right? You hear a lot of fourth turning talk again. I use the fourth turning in. my annual review probably in 2011, which I said America's fourth turning. That's the title. Forgive me, the author of that book's Neil Strauss. Am I right on that?

Strauss and Howe, Neil Howe, and One of them's dead. One of them does a lot of podcasts. Strauss and Howe, they wrote it in 96, and they predicted that the shit would start hitting the fan in 2010. It's pretty accurate. Yeah, a very fascinating book. And now people are talking about it again. It's picking up momentum because people, you know, so the theory of the fourth turning is

at human behavior cycles. And it's sort of like, why did you step forward with your right foot? And you go, well, because my left foot's done, right? There's no causality. There's nothing that triggered me to step with my right foot. It's just my left foot was done doing. So we switched from, you know, Bobby Darren and Annette Funicello to the doors very, very quickly. You know, the mood of the country can change you very quickly.

quickly. The fourth turning, think of it as four seasons, 20 years apiece, crudely speaking, is the one where the shit hits the fan. It's not that bad things don't happen in the other four turnings, but in the fourth turning, society shits a brick. And so if you go back to the United States would cause how and instruction how to predict a 2010 fourth turning, 80-year cycle, once they go back and they say, well, our last fourth turning, you know, world War II. Go back 80 years, Civil War, go back 80 years, Revolutionary War, go back 80 years. They missed this one, by the way. Go back 80 years, you hit the Salem Witch Trials. Society was small, but the witch trials, you know, we kind of lost our shit.

And we responded poorly. So bad things happen in every turning. Society responds badly. And then the first turning is the repair. It's the green shoots. It's the, you know, let's create the United Nations, let's create NATO, let's create various things that'll guarantee that the world's not fucked up again. And then they get compromised over time. Over the 80 years, you build up these structures

and then you tear them down. So I've been hearing really smart people, friends of mine saying, you know, this is a fourth turning. And Grant, Williams did a podcast and he said, and Adam Taggart, who I've known for 25 years, Adam Taggart on Twitter, his name is Menlo Bear.

right that makes no sense to anyone right Menlo bear that turned out to be his prudent bear chatboard handle back when we were trying to figure out what the hell the dot-com bubble was doing it's really interesting it goes guys like that David Tyson

we're trying to figure out why the markets were so fucked up back in 2000 so Adam's interviewing and Adam makes reference to tearing down NATO for example which looks NATO looks like it's honest death rattle, right? And Grant sort of said you're not thinking big enough. What about the U.S. Constitution? Maybe we're going to tear that apart. That's really shit in the bed, right?

I would add to the possible institutions that are going to get torn down, academia, right? The academic world is being, and you say, well, that's just Trump. And I go, but Trump is not causal. The theory of the fourth turning is not that, you know, it's not that some bad person causes it to happen. It's that that society is ripe for that bad person to appear. There's going to be a Trump-like leader of some kind. Might have been Kamala, right? Biden, these are, these are not leaders. These are bad people. And so then the question is, are we in such a fort turning? Are we going to tear down academia are going to tear down NATO, we're going to tear down all the institutions that had been initiated, thrived, gotten old, and became necrotic. And the answer is maybe. It's a bit

of a, you know, social science is soggy in the fourth turning tries to make it more precise, maybe. But it does feel like society's kind of, you know, gender transition shit. This is all, this is not a sign of a healthy society. That's cult. Gender. I read Abigail Schreier's book. I was going to write about gender transition, but that appears to now be somewhat old news with Trump. He seemed to have nuked it. But Abigail Schreier's book is horrifically clear on how the gender transition industrial complex works and how when your kid gets off the bus on some fateful Tuesday and says, Mom, I think I'm a girl. You are in the fight of your life because you are up against a whole system. And the system says, if your parents don't

sign off, you should, they don't love you, we love you. Your parents don't love you. The parents get told, if you don't sign off, your daughter, your son, whatever, will commit suicide. So would you rather have a live daughter or a dead son? Right? That sort of thing. And it turns out that none of the stats support that shit. But it's this weird cult. And it, you know, when you get 50 gender transitions in one middle school, this is not biology. I think gender, I think gender dysphoria is biology in very rare cases. I read Oliver, a couple of Oliver Sachs's book, the most famous being a man who mistook his wife or a hat.

And there are some very strange neurological problems, like guys who think their legs or someone else's leg. Some guy literally woke up one morning and looks down and says, holy fuck, that's not my leg. And he like threw it out of bed and he threw himself out of bed. No amount of reasoning would convince the guy that it's his leg. And that's happened several times. And it's just the brain. The brain is this goes emergent. And so gender dysphoria is potentially one of those.

But here's what they don't do with the guy with someone else's leg. They don't cut off his leg. Anorexia is a very strange ailment, right? Anorexia is very, very amylia. Belemia, these are very odd ailments. They're very real. But what you don't do is let a person with anorexia identify as a fat person. And then put them on a diet.

But Shriars opened strong by saying, look, it's the only health ailment or whatever you want to call it, where it is self-diagnosed. The kid walks in the doctor's office and says, I don't think I'm a girl, I'm a boy. You got a five-year-old kid telling the doctor what the problem is and the doctor is forced to accept it. You say, well, you're not really forced, right? Yes, forced. In 19 states, you can lose your license if you push back against that. If you say, for example, okay, okay, fine, but what else is going on in your life, right? Is Uncle Bob sticking it up your ass?

Let's start with that, right? You push back. There's 19 states where that can cause you to lose your license. So the therapist don't even dare push back. This is fucked up. And this is the end of a cycle. I hear people say that, you know, NFL football's rigged now. I don't believe it, but I'm rather amazed at the referees.

You know, end of cycle shit if it is. Yeah. Dave, I promised I'd have you out of here at the top of the hour so you could catch... Watch Cornell win the national title. Well, that's the hope, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Appreciate you coming on and doing this. It won't be the last time.

Either way, enjoy the game. And thanks for giving me some time this morning. My pleasure.