Shaun Newman Podcast - #864 - Nadine Ness

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

Nadine Ness is a former RCMP officer and mother of four from Saskatchewan, who founded Unified Grassroots in August 2021. Initially started as a Facebook group to address concerns about school COVID-19 policies, Unified Grassroots grew into a significant conservative non-profit organization in Saskatchewan, opposing vaccine mandates and pandemic restrictions. She has been organizing town hall meetings across Saskatchewan to promote discussions on greater provincial autonomy and a potential referendum on Saskatchewan's sovereignty.To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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She's the president of Unified Grassroots in Saskatchewan. I'm talking about Nadine Ness. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Nadine Ness. Ma'am, thanks for hopping on. Ma'am.

That makes me feel so old. Thanks for having me, Sean. I say it every time. And I just mean it as a term of endearment. That's all it is. That's all it is. I was saying it before we got started. You know, like sitting, you know,

know, like I live in Lloyd Minster, so we're the border city. But sitting in Alberta, my focus has, with the podcast, seems to focus more and more on Alberta and the things happening there. But I get asked all the time, like, what's happening in Saskatchewan with, with independence, with all these different things, you know, like there's, there's things going on there. You should talk to. I'm like, I'm the only person. I shouldn't say the only person.

I should just reach out to Dean because, I mean, you know, like last, just a, just few days ago was the rebel news town hall is that what they called it yeah i think they called an emergency was it referendum town hall i think that's what the name was anyways you're the lady that i'm like i should just reach out to and and get uh what's been going when happening so hey thanks for hopping on yeah and then uh let's uh bring me up to speed bring the audience up to speed maybe inform some Saskatchewan folk on what's happening to the east of Alberta. Yeah. And do you want me to start, I guess, with unified grassroots a little bit so people understand? So we started an organization during COVID and we grew to become a pretty big organization in Saskatchewan with quite a bit of

influence in a sense, not that we've got like Scott Moe in our back pocket, but influences and we have a lot of people in the province a part of our organization. If we look at our following base and our member base, we're over 80,000 with the majority of those people being in Saskatchewan. So back in March, so we we did a lot of work with, okay, and then we, so we started during COVID, we were working on swaying public opinion in that. And then we kind of moved on to parental rights stuff. So we started advocating for more parental rights in the province. We succeeded in getting those changes. And then we didn't go dormant.

We were working in the last year, but a lot of what we were doing was right in the community. So we were trying to encourage people to run for nomination races, to get more involved in political parties, any political parties, and to get involved at the local level on municipal government, as well as school boards. So last year, we did a ton of town halls just at the beginning of the, the year at the end of 23 as well, like December, January, February. And it was to try to encourage more people to get involved in their government. Now, this is relevant, and you'll see why shortly. So we had a whole bunch of candidates identified, come forward, said, I'm going to run for school board. I'm going to run for civic election. So then we're like, you need training on campaigning.

These are all people who've never been politically involved. So we would send them some of the training that we had access to and we did a training event in Regina where a lot of these people came and they were trained on how to get out the vote door to door campaigning, just anything political related, how to do messaging. So that was last fall and then the election happened. And I'll be like fully honest with you. I didn't have a lot of hope in the government, but I was hoping if a conservative government got in, it would change. And maybe that hope is naive to begin with because when you look at the history, and I think I'm more informed now on the realities that we're facing because I've done so much research to prepare myself for these town halls that we're doing. But we were kind of hoping it might go a little bit a different direction.

But that hope was soon evaporated when I saw how easily manipulated the voter base were all across Canada. So they just had to do one fear campaign. Trump is bad. Canada needs to elbows up, all of that. And I saw that all over again. And then just kind of flip back to liberal government. And I realize, I don't know if we can actually flip this switch because all it takes is one fear campaign, one fabricated fear campaign.

And the public all goes to the liberals the answer. Like after four years, not four years, after 10 years of what we've been through. You think this would have been it. Like the Canada's broken. We're not going the right direction. We can't keep voting for the same. And that's exactly what Canadians did. So on election night, I posed it publicly.

I said, that's it. I'm officially a separatist. Like, because I fully lost hope in Canada as a country, sending, giving a future to my kids. So it wasn't, it wasn't one politician that wasn't the answer. It's just the complete loss of hope. that Canada's going to realize we're going in the right direction and we're going to write that ship. So, and I will also add, my husband's been a separatist, probably his whole life.

He's way more, the last election, I think he might have voted for Maverick just as like a protest vote, not this last one, but the one before. So I don't know who he voted for this election. I didn't even ask him. I assume it was the conservatives. But he's been like that. And I can't say that that hasn't influenced me to a certain degree. He knows a lot about the history.

His family, he grew up in it and pushing back against the east. His father was one of the 13 farmers who were jailed over the wheat board standing their ground that the government's not going to control what we do. And yet here we are 20 some years later and we're still facing the same the same massive government controlling what we do. So election nights came in March just before the election. We did a poll all over our social media on our Facebook group on our base. If Mark Carney wins, what do you want from Canada? Do you want it to separate, become its own entity, separate, become part of the U.S., or stay within Canada? And 90% of our base wanted to separate.

in one shape or form. So when the election occur, I'm like, okay, that's where our base is. We took it back to the board. Actually, some of the board members says, we need to move on this. They were even more pressing than I was. And they said, we need to move on this because it was almost like a duty because we had such a big reach in Saskatchewan all throughout the province. There's not, I don't know of another organization in Saskatchewan that does that has the reach that we did. And, And so we decide, okay, let's move on this. And I'm being like fully raw and honest with you. I don't feel equipped for this battle.

And the other ones I did, this is different because it's not something we can just fix today and it's not something we as unified grassroots can do on our own. It's going to need to be groups in every single community organizing, informing, swaying public opinion. It can't, it can't just be like one, one entity. So when people say, Nadine, are you leading this? I say no and I hope I'm not. Because if I am, it will fail.

And that's what's so beautiful about Alberta is there's so many different groups doing this. What we're planning on doing is giving people a place to gather. So because right now we have the biggest entity to do that. So that's why we started the petition to gather the signatures. So when we are ready for something, and I'll explain that to your viewers,

We're not situated in Saskatchew in the same way as Alberta, but we are going to gather the people. So when we do have something, they can side that's binding, that has some meat to it, that we can reach the people easily. We're going to try to do more town halls for public information because a lot of people have a lot of questions that don't have answers. And I have a lot of questions that still don't have answers. But we also need the government to do more of an effort in one giving people a voice and more of an effort in doing a lot of the research that Alberta has done. Alberta has done so they put so much money from the province to do research on how they can become more sovereign, how they can stand up more to Ottawa. And Saskatchewan has like failed, completely failed in comparison. So part of the biggest things we're doing right now is democratic education.

So at our town hall, we teach people, how are we going to get a referendum option that's petition-led? So I'll explain Saskatchewan is different. The people can't do a petition to have a referendum. A referendum can only be called by the government. So the SaaS government, Scott Moen, NDP has to agree, or just SaaS party. because they have a majority, has to say, okay, we're going to do a referendum on this place this time. What we do have that citizen-led is a plebiscite.

Most people didn't even know what that word was. I didn't know. I had never heard that word up until like three, whatever, the election night. I got home the next day. I'm like, what do we do? And I looked at the legislation and it's quite weak in Saskatchewan. But what we can do as the public is do a plebiscite. And what that is, it's a vote to the general public, kind of like a referendum, but it has no meat to it.

They don't need to do anything. It doesn't matter if 80% of the public was to vote for it. They don't have to do anything. It's not binding. Now, could it influence change? Yeah, I think if we did do that and the vote was majority, the government will be like, we better move on this because the majority want this. Like, government is downstream from society, right?

We keep complaining they're not moving ahead of society. Our role as an organization is moving society in that direction. So we're still going to work towards that. If we do get the 100,000 people sign up to our website, we will potentially do like a petition, plebiscite petition and hopefully get the signatures. But it's hard to motivate people when they know there's not something concrete behind it.

So our biggest efforts right now, now is to teach people how to get more involved in the current political parties, whether it's NDP or the SAS party. So get a membership to one of them. Show up at their AGM. Each MLA has a board that you can get involved in. And those boards are elected with like 10 to 15 people in the room. So if 34% of the population in Saskatchewan, which is 400,000 people, get informed about this and show up at these things, they can dominate the narrative on both sides of the party. That's why the NDP is so triggered because they know they don't have the numbers and we do and we keep teaching people to get more involved, take one for the team, so to speak.

But if we can do that, then we can potentially have a legislative change where they put a citizen-led petition option for a referendum. Or maybe we can do that. Or maybe we can, can put enough pressure on the current government to do a referendum to put through a referendum. For example, the SaaS party has their AGM this fall, so does the NDP. And I'm just sharing numbers. We have 6,000 people who have signed up. I think it's 4,000 official signatures. We have a bit more closer to 8,000 people who have signed up on our website, but there's overlap between who is already our members or not. So when I say 8,000, that's a lot. the people who support what we're doing right now. When I say 6,000 is who I think doesn't overlap,

and 4,000 is who have actually signed just the petition. So that's why there's three different numbers that sometimes I bring up. But let's say 8,000. A big percentage of those are willing to show up at the AGM. There's certain things that happen in an AGM. There's a vote. Do you agree that the current leader is doing a good enough job leading the party? And then, they need majority to be able to stay the leader in that vote. So the AGM for the SAS party, last AGM, they had 680 some people, less than 700 people show up. And I'm teaching Saskatchewan this because Alberta has known this for a while and has organized, so I'll get into that. But if we show up a thousand of us at the next AGM, if let's say a thousand people get membership

by watching your party, your video, it sends a strong message to the SAS party and it sends a strong message to the NDP if all of a sudden the people who show up at their event are double, they're going to wonder who are these people? Are they on the same page? Or if I start even just promoting the NDP political party events, they won't know who's going and who's not. And when I'm teaching you is not illegal, it's not criminal, it's democratic education. Like, this is what they should teach every single Canadian in Canada. Less than 2% of Canadians have a membership to the party. Less than 1% of Canadians have voted in a nomination election.

The majority of Canadians don't even know what a nomination election is. And I'm going to explain it. Before there's a general election and somebody's on the ballot to vote, there's an election that occur in a small room with about 200 people to decide who's going to be on the ballot it for the specific party. So literally one to 200 people decide who their elected officials going to be. It's not like people think 5,000, especially in some communities, we know it's going to go conservative where we know it's going to go NDP. 100 people can influence who's going to be the next elected officials. But the majority of Canadians don't know this. So we want to change that. And we want to

educate people, show up. There's, there's one AGM every couple years or convention, whatever you want to call it. Each party has a different name. Show up. Alberta did. You might know the numbers. The first year they started organizing the people. It went from like 800 to what, like 1800? Well, last year at the UCPA, GM, it was double every year. It was like 6,000 is as roughly where the number settled out. Yeah. Some around 6,000. Yeah, it was, it had an electric vibe to it.

It was. Yeah. And in fairness, and in fairness, I don't have anything to compare it to because I was one of those guys that talked about these things, but I never went. I'm like, I don't want to go. And then I finally went. And it was, it was an experience. I mean, largest one in over the history of Canada. Of Canada, correct.

Yeah, larger than any of them in Ontario, too. So, but this is something we have to recognize as Canadians, because it's a deeper problem that we haven't noticed. You know how the left-leaning party seemed to have gone more and more extreme, more and more left? Well, it's because the left-leaning activist organization know exactly what we're educating people. And they've been working on educating their activists to get involved more and more into political parties.

So that's why you see like the NDP in Saskatchewan become more like activist MLAs because technically they are. It's all the activists who have been activated. The unions do the same thing. They educate their people about this. But there's never been really anyone educating just the general public or people on the right, which is where we come in. I want the government to be more of a balance representation of the people. And that can't happen if the people don't get activated. And maybe the NDPs Convention will have 100 new people and they'll be like,

oh, these are activists of the right. So we need to get more of our people there. Well, maybe then they'll start getting more of the normal old school NDP back involved into the party. Like it's a win-win situation in my mind. But it's funny because the Legion director, this is the first time I'm releasing this information, one of the Legion read to me an email from this director who canceled all of our town halls. It's clearly a political decision based on what she read to me, but he said, oh, I saw her tweet.

They're planning on overthrowing the NDP. And my tweet was, it's not an overthrow. This is Democratic education. My tweet was Carla Beck, I think a couple weeks ago, people, people, can go find it, said, oh, Scott Moe and Daniel Smith are only catering to the separatists because they're afraid of losing their job. So I comment on there. I said, Carla, you should be afraid of losing your job too. There's an AGM coming up at the fall. Last AGM, you had less than 200 people there. I said, what's to say our people don't just show up an elected new leader who will

defends Saskatchewan with the NDP. Like in that it's not illegal. It's not an overthrow. This is democratic education. These politicians have gotten so used to Canadians not knowing this information that they've become blazing. That's why they're trying to put legislation to stop a petition. They think they rule over us. And they've technically been able to because Canadians haven't been informed about this. And and and and that's why. they keep trying to damage my reputation by lying about me. They're so afraid that the people are going to learn what we're teaching them. So they want to shut us up before, I hope I can say that word, but before we get to them to teach them how to get involved. So that's why they say,

oh, Nadine supports 51st state, which I don't. But they're doing that to try to silence people, but it's backfiring. The more they do that, the more they're trying to silence us, the more motivated we get. So they cancel our town hall. I'm like, fine. I'm going to put it out publicly. We've got 30,000 view on Saskatoon's town hall event. We posted the whole thing online. So maybe we would have had maybe three, four thousand at town halls throughout the province. Now we have 30,000 people. There's people doing watch parties in their home. So they're inviting all of their friends and they're watching it. Like the more they try to silence the people, the more it's going to backfire. Yeah, it's a strides.

The more they, the more they hammer on you, the more people learn your name and go, who the heck is this Nadine Ness? What is going on in Saskatchewan? And they don't know what to do with me. They can't call me racist. I'm like part indigenous. I can't be misogynistic. I'm a woman.

I have kind of a funny story. I'm a former police officer that kind of gives it credibility. I had to do a lie detector to get my job. I would love to see politicians have to do a lie detector to get their jobs. But it's kind of funny. And I'm a former lefty, so they can't call me far right. Like I voted for Trudeau his first time around. So, and I guess that's a blessing in disguise because I know how the left works.

So now we're just teaching the right to do the same thing. They've been doing it for years. That's why we're losing all of this authority into our own lives. So that's what we're doing in Saskatchewan, teaching people, show up at the AGM, show up in massive numbers, join a board of your MLA, put policy forward to be elected on at the AGM. I would love this fall to have a policy that says SaaS government or SaaS party will put forward a public, a citizen-led referendum option and lower the signatures to be a more reasonable amount. And that's something people don't realize. In order to get signatures for a plebiscite or a referendum, it's a lot more difficult than just like the general election. The general election is all over mainstream media for months and months and months.

Everyone in the province pretty much knows about the general election. So it's easier to get a good number of people to show up. And even then it's what, like 57%. I don't even know if it's that. I don't know the exact number. but that's what's popping in my mind. But if we were to do a petition, it's not all of the media talking about it

for months and months and months. So to reach all of those people is a lot harder. But it doesn't mean we're not going to try. We're hoping to get people willing to go into each of their communities, hold their own little town hall, get the signatures, send it back to us if that's what we need. But there's another added aspect in Saskatchewan that we can almost be grateful for in a way, but it's almost like a curse in a way, is

Alberta is moving ahead, it's likely going to have a referendum. And a lot of people in Saskatchewan says, you can't leave without us. So that's going to build momentum on its own. But because that's happening too, there's a lot of people in Saskatchewan, let's just wait and see what happens in Alberta. So they're not getting activated to do the same thing here because they just want to see what's happening in Alberta. And I think that's a mistake in itself. But yeah, I think Scott Moe, he's getting hounded too right now. If you look at anything he posts, everyone's hounding them in the comments. And it's not organized by us.

That's just the public says, do a referendum here too. We want it here too. So we're hoping to do a poll, a really good poll that can't be refuted. So, but it costs a lot of money. So we've raised some funds towards it. So we're probably going to put some money towards it to get an accurate depiction of how many people in Saskatchewan want. I should send you the, maybe I can send you the slide.

We share a slide on an Angus Reed poll. I don't know if you've seen the full report. So in 2019, they did a poll on people. And this was in 2019. So it wasn't even Mark Carney wasn't even in the picture. But they did a poll and they said, do you want Saskatchewan to separate? And there was four options moderately in favor or like highly favor, moderately, moderately not in favor and really strongly opposed.

I think it wasn't those exact words, but it was four options. And if you added moderately and strongly in favor, it was more than 50% in Saskatchewan. I think it was like 51 or 52% wanted separation, wanted independence. But then they did a recent one. This is how you can manipulate statistics. They did a recent one. It was yes or no. It wasn't a range.

And it was lower. I think it was like 34%. But it doesn't depict the sentiment because the moderately in favor likely are in favor. They just have some concerns and questions. that if we were to answer as an organization would likely strongly support. So they're the people that we are going to need to work towards reaching. But if you consider that, you consider, and that was in 2019 versus now. Do you think the sentiment for independence has gone down? I would highly doubt it. I highly, highly doubt it. I think it's only gone way

up. So, but we don't have the number. And I will also say that Angus Reed poll, if you look in the fine print, it wasn't a basic poll to the public. It was a poll to their forum members only. So the Angus Reed forum members. So you can't even count that as an accurate one to, to read the public because it was only the people who are members of the Angus Reed forum, which is in the fine print. So in Saskatchewan, Nadine, you've been going around having town halls, correct? Yeah, we've had two so far. Yeah. And you had it lined up to be at the legions and then they got all shut down, correct?

Yeah, some of them, we had 15 schedule, eight of them were at legions. And activists made sure that didn't happen. Yeah. But I think in some of the, well, they're trying with other ones too. Some of the other ones we had at the Italian club activists and they ended up pulling the plug in Regina. So we're trying to find a new location for Regina. Even the one we reschedule one in Estevan, which is like the independent capital of Saskatchewan down south there. One of them was at like a cadet hall, like a Wiley something.

And they were getting calls even from like like Ontario saying cancel this. And they're not, but they say, okay, well, at least remove cadet halls because we don't want to be associated with it. So we removed cadet hall. And now it's just Riley Mitchell Hall. So it's happening. But we got to understand, too, a lot of this is happening because of all the misinformation that the NDP is spreading. So these town halls, if you watch the presentation, it's just educating people on how to get more democratically involved. It's giving a bit of history on Saskatchewan, history on Western alienation and stuff. So it's not even, and it's educating what are the options we have for referendum or not. We're not gathering signatures for a plebiscite. We're not gathering signatures

for a referendum. We don't even know what the question could be. A referendum and a plebiscite is a question put to the public. We don't know what that question is. And part of the town hall is finding out what people want. What are their concerns? Like what are things that are making them hesitant of an independent Saskatchewan? It's like gathering the information from the people. So this idea that that government entity or government linked entity, federally linked entity, as trying to shut it down, to me is an complete assault on democracy in Canada. So part of democracy so we can have these discussions. We're not traitors.

We're not doing anything criminal. We're not advocating for anything violent here. We're saying this is how people can have a voice. And that's why I find it so insulting, especially the Legion as a former veteran of the RCMP. And as well, I was a reservist when I was younger. So I have like a veteran card. the idea that they're shutting that down after veterans have fought for democracy and freedom around the world, I find that so insulting.

But it's not surprising we saw the legions how they behaved during COVID. So they were some of the most exclusive entities there were to the unvaccinated and the veterans who were unvaccinated. but if you're if you're a saskatchewan listener you're sitting there and you're going okay um what are our options our option right now is to put pressure on scott mo and the government to put through legislation to allow for citizen-led referendums or or a referendum itself put it to the people because the Yeah. Can do a referendum. They can schedule.

Now, politically, do I think it's a, the, would be the right move for Scott Moe? No. I think, I don't think Scott Moe should say we're going to do a referendum at this place. I think it should be put to the people and it should lead the people to activate to do it. So a referendum, a citizen-led referendum, I think legislation would be more fitting. But that's just my personal opinion. some people who think otherwise. And currently, what is your option then?

If right now you want, it's just a plebiscite. Get a membership to the party, show up at the MLA's board meeting, elect people who feel like you to be representative. So the current SAS party is being directed by these board members that determine which direction the party goes. A majority of those boards would essentially influence. A majority of the membership of the SAS party being sold would eventually influence. So the similar idea to what TBA did.

Take back Alberta. Very similar. But the difference is we're not hiding it. And I'm not saying they were hiding it per se, but they were doing all these meetings, which is grassroots. we're noticing that is a bit more difficult to do here. So we're like, you know what? We're just going to teach the entire public. We're going to teach everyone. But people are going to have to show up. Like we taught the same thing last year at the town hall. And a lot of people got activated. There are some people who showed up at our town halls that ended up running and winning their nomination and

getting elected. I don't know who they all were because we don't have the names of everyone who attended but even then there was board elections happening last year when telling people hey this is happening are you going and people just think someone else is going to do it so they don't have to and people look to our organization oh unify grassroots is taking the lead they're doing something about it so i don't have to and this this is this is the greatest message that i tell people at these town hall if you think you don't have to we won't get there It's one meeting a month, is one AGM is $10 for a membership. Or maybe two AGM if you want to go to the NDP one, take one for the team.

I can't get a membership to the NDP because I can't agree to some of their values. But we do have members in our organization that were former NDP. So maybe they would be able to attend. But that's the thing. It needs to be a truly grassroots-led effort. We can teach the people, but we can't force them. So if they really want change, I'm so tired of hearing people complain. And I ask them, have you been to MLA, AGM?

No. Then don't complain. You have not done anything. Voting once every four years is not enough to have a government that represents you. You need to get involved in every stage of democracy. So, and I guess I can be a little bit more tough love because I've been doing this for four years, full-time hours, and I get paid zero. I don't get paid for the work that I do. And I do all of it because I want a better future for my kids.

So I can ask someone to show up at a meeting because I've been working full-time hours for nothing, paying for a nanny. I don't even get that refunded. So maybe if they hear from me, they'll be like, yeah, she's kind of right. At least maybe I can just show up this. And before this election, before we moved on this movement, I was so discouraged by the lack of action by the people. Even just went to the town halls last year. We had thousands across the province. And we're telling them, hey, this is happening.

We're not getting a response. Well, do you want change or do you not want change? because if you're okay with the direction it's going stay on the couch do nothing but don't look to me to be your hero or your answer because it's not this this is not going to win it's not going to function if that's the mentality of the people who are upset in this province sorry am i motivating you you said you were discouraged so you are encouraged then now yeah yeah because so we had that event in Saskatoon and we had almost I think 200 people there but we're seeing people get more activated I'm getting messages people saying yeah I'm getting a membership to the party when's the

next meeting they're organizing we're getting people who are starting to organize in their own house and maybe that's a failure my end as a leader of an organization I didn't really press enough how it couldn't be us it couldn't be me that it needed to be you But even in Saskatoon, we raised over $6,000. And there was 200 people in that room. So people are saying, okay, this is something we can actually do. And I know times are tough for everyone. So trying to get donations to do a poll or to a province wide mail out, which is something

we would want to do. How much do you need for a poll? Okay, just a basic one that doesn't have a lot of teeth to it, probably 2,500. If we want one that can't be refuted, that can't be said, this is false. It needs to be mail, phone, online, all of those avenues with a lot of people enough reached. That would be between 10 and 15 grand. So Alberta Prosperity Project, they're doing one via text to a million people in the province. but each text is like 15 cents a text.

So if you add that numbers, that's going to be a really expensive. But that would be a more accurate one. We want something that can't be refuted. We may do like a $2,500 one just to get started and then maybe work. One of the things that we thought would be the most effective is if we did a pull within a flyer throughout the entire province, reach every household. That would be hard to refute that. But what I thought was going to be 15 grand to do a flyer in every household in Saskatchewan

is that we got a quote is 75,000. And we don't have big backers as an organization. Someone asked, I'm going to say this funny thing. Before our event on Sunday, we heard there was going to be counter-proststers. So if you want to know what the unhinged left is doing, you go on Reddit. So my husband was on Reddit searching if they were organizing counter protests against us. And in the comments, they must be getting a ton of financial backing from Americans or big entity. And I'm like, oh, thank you.

We must look like we're doing a really good job if you think we're really well funded. But we literally were working like on an $800 budget a month over the last year. Like it's all volunteers. The cause goes towards like our website. and potentially some travel to get the gas covered or mileage covered. If you're in Saskatchewan and you're listening to, where are you going to next? Where are the next town halls? Moose Jaw is the next one on the 10th.

You can find out on our website. I'll just bring it up here. Unifiedgrassroots.com and you click on events. You can see all the ones we have book that are still going ahead. So we had Kindersly yesterday, Moose Jaw on the tent, Meadow Lake on the 17th, leader on the 18th of June. Estevan's the 29, Weyburns the 29th, North Battleford's July 16th. Yorkton is July 26th. We're going to add more in there.

It's just like we had the cancellation, so swift current. We're doing 15 of the kind of bigger center in the province. but because of the cancellation we've had a lot of people offer up their quonsets and stuff so we're probably going to add a whole lot more and go to them if and we're hoping to add more people who can host the town halls like so it's not just me I have four kids so this is a lot of traveling and time away from my kids so so if we can get like a team of people going to teach people this then we can maybe do 30, 40. Who knows, right?

The sky's the limit. But putting it publicly is a big thing as well. Like if we have that town hall online, like it's recorded, it's ready to go. People can watch it. If people do like a watch party, like even do it fun. Like have some beers or whatever. Look, I'm not encouraging getting wasted, but you do need to take in the information. But make it more fun.

Like, gather among your people because. We're going to need these same people activated if it comes to a referendum. We can't just think, oh, the public's going to vote yes. Like, there's going to need to be get out the vote campaigns. If you don't know what that is, follow what, like, Charlie Kirk is doing in the U.S. Like, U.S. has so many organization that calls people on the day of election, say, hey, did you vote? Do you need a drive to go vote? Like, do you need anything?

Just reminding people to show up or door knock and answer the question. of the elderly that says, well, what's going to happen to my pension? Or we're going to need thousands of people. So we're hoping by people getting together, it's going to become like a fun thing. And sometimes politics can be fun. You can meet like really fun people. I've been to some events and I have new friends. I think when I go back to the UCPA-GM, it was an electric atmosphere because of the buzz

from the amount of people there. But like the everywhere I went, there was interesting people. But I think you could go down to the local arena on a Friday night for a hockey game and the same thing. And I think if you, you know, you show up to, I don't know, take something mundane. You get, it's all about mindset, right? Like so a political event, yeah, I'm trying to rewire my brain. I'm no different than anyone. I'm like, oh, my God, do I want to go to it on a Wednesday night when I've got kids this and kids that, not really.

or it's right after the kid's stuff. You're like, now I've got to extend my night. And it's already been a long day. But you make some very interesting points on, you know, I think if you're only showing up once every four years, you got to really take a deep look inside on, you know, how can I be a little bit more involved? Because, you know, some people are going to get right involved.

And others, it takes a little bit of convincing. But there is a lot of fun. Can you imagine, you know, like, grab six buddies all join the the local um sass party board i guess on on the sass side and go have a little bit of fun with it right like i mean it could you could just change the mindset you could actually go have a bunch of fun with it instead of making it look and feel like it's punishment for you know the one time a month you show up exactly yeah and i know people who who used to be on the board and i know people who are on on some of those boards now because there are

communities where people did show up and they elected a whole new board so and that happened last year so and it's probably happening this year too that's why like scott mo can't ignore the people he can't silence the people because he knows they're getting informed and educated on this so and it's not afraid of losing your job is just reminding them who put them there like and that's essentially it Like they are not there to rule over us. They are there to serve us. And and that's what we have in Canada. We have a democracy. I know I know the certain parties are trying to push more for authoritarianism like the NDP Carla Beck being one of them. But if we can inform the people more and they're willing to show up, that's the key thing. They're willing to show up. Then and it and yeah, it's not boring.

Just imagine you're going to hang out with a lot of people who are very like-minded. It's actually a really fun thing. So I find politics fun. And it's also gross and messy and back-sabbing and not very nice too. But there's a lot of fun too. There's a lot of good people there too. So yeah, I hope people get more engaged. You're laughing because it's so true, right? that some of the see that's the thing politics kind of attract sometimes certain kinds of people

the people it doesn't it doesn't sometimes it does it does yeah so you have the people who want to make a difference who want to change it for the better and then you have the people who want to make a name for themselves and they can be really really um not pleasant but imagine if we get way more people involved who want to do to want to influence change that's like a win-win right so well i mean when you talk about joining a c a board right like it's in your community it's just another it's just a different community board you know um that doesn't enter interest yet join another board because what you can once you start looking at this you realize there's like a board for everything you're like holy crap like the there's so many and you and you realize they're all needing good people and so pick something

that suits you and get involved. And, you know, there's going to be more work than you first. You know, like it isn't just showing up. There's probably a couple of out of things. But, you know, now you're a party community. And once you start to be part of your community, you're going to start to learn a couple things. And then you're going to, oh, man, maybe I should join that, you know.

And on and on and it goes. And you're going to meet some interesting people. It's honestly a way of meeting your community in a different way, right? Mm-hmm. And when I say join these board, it's not to be a counter either to these MLA. the board is meant to be a support. So a lot of these, these MLAs or elected official go in a direction,

maybe because they don't even have the support from the community. So it's working towards providing that support. So when an elected official does the right thing, support them in the public square. Like they're almost standing alone. Like when Scott Mo moved on the parental rights legislation, 80% of the population was on board, but who was supporting them in the public square.

They were getting attacked by the NDP, attacked by the mainstream media. The narrative was very much against them nonstop. But we need to do better, even if we're not happy about something else they may have done in the past, we need to do better when they're doing the right thing in supporting them and lifting them up

for them to keep going in that direction. That's something the left does amazingly, which we on the right are horrible at that. Like Scottmo will do something good, for more sovereignty and we'll be like but what about COVID like right we do it all the time but then they're not getting the support because everyone's so pissed off about the one thing they didn't do right so we we have to change our mindset too when they're going in the right direction let's support them and when they start going in the wrong direction yeah let's hold them to the fire but

and i'm guilty of this too i laugh and you're laughing because you're probably guilty too. So, but, and I have a different role. I'm not a Scott Moe. I'm not an elected official. So I'm not going to talk like them. I'm not, but I'm an activist. That's my role.

My role is swaying public opinion. My role is educating the people. But they have a role. They have to represent the people, even the people that disagree with them. So we need to keep that in mind too when they use different language than we do. Yeah.

I'm laughing because I just, you know, I'm one of those conservative-minded guys that doesn't need an add-a-boy every time you do something that is blatantly obvious. And media is going to attack them no matter what we do because media on our mainstream is like if you haven't realized, it's just like, if they're not attacking you, you're probably not doing what you should be doing at this point because. True. I mean, everything we step out of line for, or step in line for maybe, you get attacked for. So it's just like, I don't know. I sit here and I go, if I got to add a boy every single politician for doing one little thing right, I'm sorry. It's time to get somebody new in there. And let's just get, let's just get walking the right way.

I don't know. Like, I've tried all these different, you know, I've tried all these different things. I look at the politicians and I go, yes, a difficult job. there's lots of difficult jobs media is not the easiest job in the world bringing on different people and talking about things and exploring topics in front of people like but if i had to wait for an attaboy every two seconds i don't know what type of podcaster i'd be i certainly don't want that type of politician i want them to go move forward the the parental bill right they knew exactly what the population wanted they knew there's protests everywhere so they went and did it and then they get slammed in media why

because the media doesn't like that. They know that they don't want that. And so they push on it. What do you do? Who cares about the CBC and the CTV and everything else? And the quicker politicians realize that, the quicker they can just get on with life and start, you know, like they slam everybody.

Who cares? There's an added layer to that, which is something we realized as an organization that we had been failing at. So when the media attacks pushes like the NDZ, lies, a lot of us on the conservative side, we just like play, we don't say anything. We just let it right out, right? And the SaaS government is notorious for that. We actually decide as an organization, we're going to push back. We're going to start doing press release every single time. We're going to send it to media. If media doesn't report our quotes, our side, then we're

going to do complaints with the embudsman that they're not doing fair reporting. So we have to take accountability too as conservatives. We have failed because when they're reporting the stories and the quotes of the NDP, we're not giving them quotes of our own. We're not doing the interviews with the CBC with the CTV news or global. So we've kind of pushed back on that instead and say, you know what? Share our side of the story. Here's our side of the story. And a lot of these media are so thinly run. They don't have a lot of resources. So if you can give them the story, the story, they'll often do it. But this is a huge failure of the SAS government and the SAS party in itself. They don't counter the narrative. They almost never do. And they don't

have a good communication team. And that's why they almost, they lost so many seats the last election. They kept talking about the economy, but there was nothing else being put out there. Like nobody knows some of the good stuff that they've done in health care to try to bring in more doctors. I know because my husband's a doctor. We're seeing our paycheck, his paycheck increase. I say our. His, oh, it's ours. His paycheck increase. But some people are going to chuckle at that joke. But the fact is they've done some stuff and the public never knows about it. The media doesn't report about it because they don't put it out there in the public. They don't do press release. The NDP does press releases almost every second day. They've done six attacking our

organization the last few weeks. I don't know if they've done any in the last few days, but they do that. And then the media eats it up because they have something they can work with to do an article, to do a reporting, or they'll get quotes because they show up there at these press release. The SaaS government, I have not seen a press release other than the Premier's meeting, the Prime Minister and Premier's meeting in Saskatoon. They almost never do a press release. It's one of the things that I've sent Scott Moore. I said, you need to get ahead of the narrative more the people don't know what you're doing because you're not telling them and it's more than just social media work with the media so and and maybe they're

still going to report unfairly but i just looking at the last few weeks of us putting out press release they have been very fair they have been using our quotes they have done interviews we had a reporter from La Press in Quebec at our town hall event last night. I met with her for like an hour and a half did an interview. They're going to report about what's happening here. And I'm telling this, I'm hoping some people from the SaaS party and the SaaS government listen to your show. I imagine they do. I can't imagine they wouldn't. But and kind of realize, okay, if we're going to move in this movement, moving this, they also have to do more work towards the narrative. Did you know about the white paper in Saskatchewan? Have you heard of this? No. I don't think so. We should all know about it.

So remember a few years ago, there was town halls throughout the province. Al Kirpin was kind of involved with that and they did, it was on Western alienation, did a bunch of town halls, got information from the people. And they came up with a- Was this, were we talking the Maverick? timeframe? It may be it was it was around COVID though it was after COVID do you remember? So it would have been in 2021 they were doing these well 20 but I'm trying to think 2021 was the was the federal election where Maverick ran correct? Yeah but it wasn't Maverick doing these town hall this was Scott Moore Al Kirpen a few other

people he actually hired Al yes I remember roughly the time vaguely yeah but this was like time where we all try to forget, right? Because it was like in the height of after like COVID. But what happened is they gather all this information and did a report that's called the white paper and it showed that Saskatchewan's going to lose $11 billion in revenue between now and 2035 based on the policies that the federal government had implemented. I've never heard of that number in the public. But in that white paper, they had all of these recommendations. on things they should do. So start collecting our own provincial income tax. So create a collection revenue instead of it being done by the federal government. Look at more provincial police

force. Like all of these things to kind of protect our provincial autonomy had come out of that. Some of the firearm stuff had come out of that white paper. But yet I've never seen anything anywhere about it. But it's on there. If you Google white paper SaaS government, you can see all these recommendations. Some of them they've implemented like the Saskatchewan First Act with some of the stuff that came out of that white paper. But most people don't even know what the Saskatchewan First Act is because we haven't heard about it. Like this this exposes such a failure in the SAS government and reaching the public as to some of the stuff that they're doing. So I know they're doing some good stuff. Could they be doing more? Yes. But if they're going to succeed,

in anything about bringing more autonomy and sovereignty to our province, they have to get a handle of communications. They have to get a good PR team to put that information out there. Someone like me, but not me.

I'm too controversial. Well, Nadine. Appreciate you hopping on today and doing this. Best of luck with your town halls. Once again, where can people find the events if they're sitting in Saskatch when they want to come out and hear what you have to say where where can they find that again

unified grassroots.com not united we have somebody out there that's pretending to be us that's united grassroots that's not our website it's it's long story we're trying to get it shut down but it's unified grassroots dot com you you can go through there you can sign the petition registration it's not the official plebiscite yet because we we haven't started that yet it but just register because when we do start, we'll reach out to you to actually physically sign the petition. You can become a member if you don't want to sign that and you just want to know what we're doing. You can subscribe to our email. On there, it lists all the events under the events tab so that we're having throughout the province. We're going to add more as we get them. And if you

want to donate as well, that's again, donations will go towards potentially a provincial flyer which we think would reach the most amount of people. It'll go towards the maybe Facebook advertisement to kind of spread the word and the poll, which is something we really want to get done as soon as possible. But yeah, if that's how you reach, reach us. Also, I do do like a YouTube show, although I've kind of paused it a bit where I talk about some of this stuff. If people want to follow me, Nadine G. Ness, I'm not trying to steal your viewers.

I don't. I interview, but not, I don't mean you're silly. I just think that's a silly thought because I interview different hosts all the time that have their own shows. Yeah. And I never think of losing beers to it. I actually think of for my audience that I'm hopefully giving them something new to check out and that they find benefit from that or value from hearing different hosts and their different takes. So like, I mean, when I first started this and continued to do so, I search out new hosts because I want to hear what they have going on. And it's, I don't think of it as competing at all, Nadine, at all.

I don't either. I just thought, well, in case you did. I think it's wonderful, too, that we have so many more new voices in Canada pop up, even in the last few years because we were, we were hoping to hold like a fundraiser last year event. And we're like, who would people pay a lot of money to come here? And we didn't have like a whole, it was a couple years ago. We didn't have a whole lot of big voices that a lot of people knew, right? And now you're seeing all of these voices pop up, like on social media, on Twitter, on YouTube, like Jasmine Lane, Clyde do something. And it's all people I've collaborated with.

And I love that we're doing that here in Canada. there's so much collaboration between host and content creators. And that just goes to show why it's growing so much, why more people are being reached because there's so many more voices. It's hard when it's just one or two. I mean, during COVID, you were one of the only ones.

And now a whole bunch have popped up. But yeah, anyways, I do talk there. I have had guests. on Bruce Party. Have you had Bruce on your show? Yeah, I got a ton of time for Bruce. Yeah. Yeah, I, he's got such interesting insight. So he's a little bit more of a libertarian than I am. But I'm a libertarian, but he's like a real libertarian. So, so it's kind of funny. But yeah, so, but thank you so much for having me on. Yeah, well, thanks for making some time today. Well, it's nice to hear from somebody in Saskatchewan.

I know I get asked about it more than I care to admit because we talk to so many Albertans, but certainly being in the border city, you know, in the middle of COVID and onwards, there's always just been, you know, we've been interviewing both provinces a lot. So I've had lots of questions coming from what's happening in Saskatchewan. And I'm happy you could hop on and talk a little bit about it. Yeah, thank you so much for having me.