Shaun Newman Podcast - #865 - Brother's Roundtable

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

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Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. We're joined by the brothers, although one is running late, very late, and the first time this happened, it was Harley, and we tease the incessing crap out of you. So, folks, we're going to wait for Jay to slowly slide in here until he comes in. So we did wait 20 minutes for him, and he still wasn't here. Oops, I had you mic turn off. Say that again, does? We did wait 20 minutes for him, and he's still not here. Yes, yeah.

So he's on his way. He's on his way. You've seen the stuff going on between Trump and Elon Musk right now? I know this is all sports, folks. Wild. But, like, I'm like, the biggest news right now, minus fact, the other's one game one, is like Elon Musk going full on nuclear about Donald Trump, and Donald Trump going, I don't know what he's upset about.

You know, he's upset about it. Like, he just dropped. The reason Epstein files haven't come out is just Donald's in him. The most well-known, powerful guys, the most powerful business owner and the most powerful man in the U.S. are going at it. Correct. Where does that end?

I don't know. I don't know. Musk just essentially said that the reason why the Epstein files have not been released is because... Donald J. Trump's in it. Because Trump is in it. And Trump comes back and says maybe we should take SpaceX out of commission. And Elon says, don't worry, we're starting decommissioning today. That's crazy.

Like what... The thing about this is is Musk saying that Trump's in the Epstein files, Like there's no, like there's no relationship ever again between those two. No. Is it true? If anyone's got to know it, like Musk would probably know. I don't know. Has he, like, why would you say that unless it's true?

Like, it was in all of that stuff for a long time, right? Six months. And so you probably get to know a lot of stuff. Wait, wait. Does the left like Elon Musk now or not? because they loved them and then they hated them are they back to liking them are they going to start buying teslas again or Tesla's going to stop getting cheap?

Is Tesla stock going to start rising again? Well, no, no, because Trump just said they're going to They're getting rid of the EV subsidy or whatever. That's right, which will hurt Tesla. But maybe the average lefty won't be keying the Teslas anymore. Like are wiping their, you know, going and blowing up the Teslas. I don't know. The X is just a Y, like I'm trying to like,

We're sitting here waiting for Jay. And as we're sitting here, it's like, have you seen an Elon? And then you go, you hop on X for like 10 seconds. You're like, holy crap. Like it's just. This is why you need free speech, though, right here. Yep. Absolutely.

Because in Russia, Putin wax that guy, doesn't he? Oh, yeah. Doesn't he? Yeah. There's a poll right now, not Jerome Powell. Who is right? Elon Musk or Donald Trump? It's got over 600,000 votes.

And it's 76. I mean, obviously it's on X. so that's 76% says Elon Musk. I wonder about the mega folks right now. Like, are they just like... This is why when it comes to politicians and public figures, I'm never like, oh, I'm 100% on his page. Because like, do you ever, like, I don't know.

They're powerful people that have been in circles that, and maybe done things, I don't know. What I think surprised me at this point? No. Even the ones that aren't are on the take somewhere along the lines. How many politicians are worth 100%? of millions of dollars in their own a salary at $250,000.

You just never know. The question is, and someone posed this, is if Donald Trump is part of the Epstein files, how come the left, the Biden administration, didn't release it so they could throw them in jail back in the day? Because they wanted to, didn't they? It's a good question. It's a good question.

Or is it all smoking mirrors? I don't know. But you open that can of worms and how many more are you exposing on your own side? Right? Well, how much did they hate Trump? I don't know. It seemed like they did.

Or was it all a show? I know. I don't know. I'm just remembering. You remember, like, they had the Avengers poster, and it was like Donald Trump and RFK Jr. And Tulsi Gabbard and Elon Musk. The Avengers are breaking up, folks.

This is literally like Captain America and Iron Man going at it. I wonder what's going on behind closed doors right now. Oh, big fun. Come and take a seat. I'm not a mic. Glad you could show up. That's not for you. Just get it out of the way.

You show up late. No, we took it back. How about you grab a mic first? Hey, hey, hey, wait a minute. Who won the silver coin last week? It sure wasn't Jay. Sure wasn't Jay. I won it the week before.

Oh, that's great. Yeah, we gave it another Chris King. I still have not got my silver coin. No, no. We gave it away. You had to show up. No, no, no. For the record right now, I got two.

I've got one. I'm going to win the Don's Cup. Sean and I both have one as well. Okay. Robert has one. kinger nothing we're just talking about X

have you seen what's going on between Trump and Musk Trump and Musk right now why I haven't really seen Essentially Musk said The reason why the Epstein files Are not

Have not been released Is because Trump's in them Say that again to us Musk put on Twitter That the reason why the Epstein files Haven't been released Is because Trump is in them He just put that out

They're going, they're literally going back and forth right now on, on X and everywhere. Like it's, what Trump said? EB subsidies are done and he, maybe we should decommission Dragon, which is SpaceX from going into space. And Elon said, don't worry, we're starting decommissioning today. They're having a big old spat, a big old spat. Sounds pretty interesting. But we're like, you know, we started off. We're like, well, we're waiting for you anyway.

as we miles to talk. Everyone's waiting for us to get to the Oilers game. Meanwhile, every time I look back at Twitter, it's just like a new tweet, new something, just like drilling on, like... So where did they fall apart up? I think Musk went in, thinking he was going to expose a bunch of stuff,

which he did. And was going to, like, fix a bunch of things. And Trump come around and said, yeah, it's great you found all that stuff. We're not changing anything. And it probably wasn't just Trump. It was probably a whole bunch of the deep state. Yeah.

Like, there's a lot of hidden actors. Yeah. That's the falling out, I think. Hmm. It's interesting. That's making it oversimplified, but you probably... So, Jay, we've already discussed this. Okay.

Let's get on to hockey. Sure. Yeah, okay, so obviously the Brothers Roundtable now, we have the, you know, at first it was Harley showing up late. Now it's Jay showing up like 20, you know, like unbelievable. Sean's going to be showing up late. Oh. I know it's dust never shows up late.

It doesn't have much to do. Hey, something. of us aren't prima donas, AJ. Okay, so do we want to start before last night's game? Do you want to go back to Dallas and Oilers? Or do we want to start? Let's go back to being five. So the last roundtable we did was me, you and Chris King.

It was on the day that the Oilers were going into game five against Dallas, right? And, of course, they win that. But the big thing out of that game was, Oilers score two, Dallas calls a time out. Ottinger gets yanked. Everyone's like, what is going on? in my head I'm like oh he'll come back for the start of the second period that's what I thought does not come back the bore stands by it and everyone everyone everyone around hockey's like that was a poor that was a poor coaching move because now if you're sitting there in Dallas either ottinger's got

to go or deborers got to go maybe I'm maybe I'm being hyperbolic the rumors around it right now are the players not just ottinger the players aren't happy about what happened and at some point DeBoers going to get fired over it. That's the way I see it. I'm going to take a step back for a second. I was at the Health Foundation charity yesterday. So last night they had Wade Redden, Clark

MacArthur, Scott Hartnell, and Corey Cross on the stage. Kelly Taylor asking him. One of the questions he asked him is who was your favorite coach? So you have four guys up there that have played a pretty good jaunt in the NHL. And, you know, Scotty Hartnell, his first joke is that it wasn't

Barry Trots, right? Because they didn't see eye to eye. Corey Cross just came out and said, probably nobody. In the entire NHL, Corey Cross played for six teams. And his favorite coach was Billy Moore's, who was his U of A guy. Clark MacArthur, probably nobody. His favorite coach, Willie Dissardin and Medicine Hat. So I'm just saying, as you, I don't understand how, what, I feel like I'm missing something.

So you have the best players in the game. Do you remember? They don't like any of the coaches. So going back to what you guys are talking about now in the Emmington Dallas series, if you're going to switch things up to cause a little bit of a ripple, don't you do it in game three or game four? Like two goals and you pull Audinger for the rest of the game, and that's how you think you're going to win this series?

It's idiotic. It's idiotic. I can understand if he felt like Audiger wasn't totally into it in game three or four somewhere in there and he pulls him for a period or for the rest of the game or something and then he puts him back in next game. But in a do-or-die game, okay, so he pulls him to wake up the team, like Sean says, he goes back in second period.

But he did it. Like, I don't understand it. And I just found an interesting last night. These guys were pulling no punches. Like Corey Cross played for six NHL teams. His favorite coach was the U of A guy. So here's maybe an idea. And maybe this solves the problem is that to rise to the WHL level or just below the NHL, you have to be really good.

And there's a bunch of really good coaches at that level. But to make it to the NHL, is it an oil old boys club where it's not about how good of a coach you are at that point, but who you know, maybe how you, you know, come off or your persona kind of thing as opposed to your actual coaching ability. Because everyone always talks about Billy Morris, right? Like anyone, how many good things have you heard about him over the years? And everyone I hear from, you know, that speaks about him. You're also not getting paid millions of dollars. That's true. The one thing I think of is when we did that Oilers Flames alumni game,

do you remember Jamie McCallin sitting at our table? And he was talking about, or maybe it was in the dressing room, and maybe you weren't there. But he was talking about they had, you know, four guys that were from the Stanley Cup team of, won the flames, won in 88. And all of them said, forget the coach,

because at that point, Lany McDonald was a shell of himself, and everybody was just tired of the coach. And so they said, fuck the coach, we're running this ship, and Lany, you're a guy, and we all rallied around them,

and we went and won the Stanley Cup, but it had nothing to do with coaching. It was all the guys rallying around Lining McDonald and trying to win something for him. It had nothing to do with coaching. Here's another thought too, is that the coach is probably up to the WHL level are probably as smart as the hockey players

or understand the game as well as the players. And they can actually teach the players something up to that level. When you get to the NHL, the NHL players are better than everybody else in the planet at playing hockey. And I wonder if the coaches still try and be like, well, I'm smarter than you. This is how you're going to do it.

and the players are like, you know, even the coaches used to play in the NHL, that's knowledge from 20, 30 years ago. And like, can anyone, it's like coaching Connor McDavid. What are you going to, like, what are you going to coach them all? You know, another question would have been good for those guys is why? Like, what was it about, you know, what was it about Billy Morris? The one thing I was thinking about is DeBore pulls them and Andrew goes,

fuck you then, you want to pull me, I'm done. And they try and put him back in and he goes, no, I'm not going back in. Fuck you. Right? You want to pull me in the most important game of our season and this is what you want. And I'm not saying on Jard did that. But how else do you justify it, right? Like I don't understand.

But if he did that, it's because of the way he got pulled. Instead of him walking over and go, listen, we're going to pull you. We got to, we got to talking right to him. It's, they do the time out. He starts scathing. He starts skating back to the net. Right. And then he, yeah, right.

And then he yells at him. So in that time, Andrew might have said that because fine. You want to do that? Fine. I'm done. Remember Patrick Waugh? Like, you can lose a really good goal tender by doing that, right? You know, one of the scariest things about Florida, if I'm being honest, like, they're a really good team, right?

But Dallas was a really good team. And Vegas was a really good team. But Paul Maurice, the way he talks about that group, the way he, like, you know, when he gets asked questions about Kachach and all them guys, I'm like, that scares me. That's a tight group. That isn't some, like, just talented hockey team. They are a tight unit. And Paul Marines has got a ton of my respect. If he wasn't coached, you know, if the others weren't there, I could be rooting for

him just the way he talks about his players and how he talks about, you know, the group they have. Well, I can't remember if it was Clark or if his Wade talking about Wade's favorite coach was Patrick Ramsey. And one of them said that the guy just built your confidence. Yeah. And I think, you know, I can even remember when I was coaching junior B, you know, your top guys you did very little coaching with. they were better hockey players than I ever was and so once in a while if you notice something so the biggest thing I remember

Chris Roman Chuck at the time was a guy that had been drafted in the dub for whatever reason to come back he's your leading score and your junior B team you don't worry about the little things with him because you needed him to do his things and the one thing I helped him with is that if you played him too much and I learned this the hard way right if you double shifted him all game

by the middle of the third he had nothing left in the tank and so I learned okay no he's got to just play a regular shift but then if I need him with eight minutes left now I can double shift him but I don't he didn't need me to go and tell him how to move the puck better or stand in a better spot and I watch a lot of coaching now and a lot of it is they try to overcoach where you got to be in a certain spot and do a certain thing the whole time and and people players are so busy trying to remember where to be they're not playing hard Mocky anymore. Never mind with the best players.

It takes the fun out of it. Sure. And if you're telling me, if, Dust, if you're coaching me and you said, okay, we're going to play this one, two, two, and when the puck's behind the net in their zone, you've got to be here. And then when it comes back out, you've got to be here. But if the puck goes over here, you've got to be over here. But if the puck moves over here, you've got to go back here.

And then when it moves over here, you've got to be here. The whole thing I'm doing right now is trying to remember my coach, because I don't want to be a healthy scratch. So, okay, I've got to be here. And when it goes, I'm not, I'm not reacting to where the puck's going. I'm not seeing what the play is going on. I'm just trying to listen to you. And I think that's broader than what people realize.

But are you saying it's a fine? Because Larry Winoniak, my favorite coach was that guy. It was a very, this is what you need to do. We never, ever pass a backhand through the middle. Next year, the year that I had my best year, my 20-year-old year, now it might be partially because I was 20. But me and Brendan McDonald both had years where he almost was a leading score of the league, and we were allowed to do whatever.

we wanted at any point be as creative as you want it but isn't that isn't that Paul coffee right now two different all I'm pointing out no but but I want to I'm going to push back on you there's there's certain rules I had when I'm coaching right like one of my things was you get within five feet of the blue line your own zone puck gets out I don't want to see stick handling and stuff so there were still things I had but it wasn't the overcoaching where I'm telling you you know you just gave an example where you know backhand in the middle in the neutral zone right But it wasn't where what I see is, okay, here's our systems and you're, and you're, you got to still let the guys flow with the systems, right?

I see it at noon hour. You go out and the guy crosses in the guy's lane, so the guy moves from the lane and crosses it in the middle. That's the system. That's guys understanding, but you can understand and play that system. But it's where your guys are getting mad at you because you didn't move quick enough. And then you didn't go over here when the guy had the puck over here. And it starts to become overwhelming, I think.

Well, you look at the coaches. that were left in the final four. You have Paul Maurice, and I would say his team plays... He was a really good coach in Canadian junior hockey. And I would say he plays a very structured game. I mean, literally, if you go back and watch the highlights of Florida, it's like, by the end, I'm like, man, they're just going to rim it. They're going to rim it.

Every time they hammer it in, goes to the Far D.A. If the Oilers pick it up clean, they get out. If they don't pick it up clean, Florida's on them. And they just do it over and over and over. it's almost ridiculous how much they do the same play on the same side, not even opposite side, same side every time, left hand side, boom, hammering around, goes to the other guy, and if he picks up claim it's fine, if he doesn't,

it's just like over and over and over again. You had DeBoer, who had this exceptionally talented team, but obviously was pretty rigid, I would say. I don't know, and then you got gnaw block, who seems like he's a player's coach, doesn't he? Yeah. I mean, he's, the reason he's coaching is because McDavid is on the Oilers, isn't he? Yeah, I agree.

That's the coach that McDavid had. Which again, he was a successful junior coach. That's right. But also, but also going to your point, what does Nonblock say? Nonblock doesn't say probably that much. You can see it in his press conferences. He's very mild manner, doesn't overspeak, he just gets to the point and just leaves a beat. Jay, your favorite coach of all time, who was it?

Ball or hockey. Well, Doug McLean. Doug McLean. Or, uh, yeah. Not Dave. Dave. Dave McLean. Did he say a lot?

No. He never did. Did he? No. He was all under the surface, making things happen, making sure everybody's enjoying themselves, having a good time. He's a very good coach. He had the right mindset.

But he wasn't, it wasn't a guy that said, came on glued on Jay from doing this or that. My favorite, my favorite Dave McLean story, Dad tells it. Dave, if you're listening, I've been trying, I talked to him once to try and get him on here to, like, actually interview him while back. That would be a fun interview. Carry on. Ryan Ray. Ryan Ray was your catcher, was he not? Yep.

And so they're in nationals. And so Ryan Ray, great catcher is painting the corners. Fiery, though. Very fiery. Almost redhead fiery, right? He's pretty fired up. Great player, though. Great player.

So him and the ump start kind of getting into it because Ryan figures that some of those calls should be strikes. So dad says, well, you know, Dave, you should probably go out and talk to the hump, right? So Dave walks over, comes back, between innings, comes back, and says, yeah, talk to the hump. Where do you guys go? Everything's good. No, what he told Ryan was, what he told Ryan was, he'll start giving you that outside corner as long as you stop giving him a hard time. Right. Right. Right. And so the ump started calling the pitches and dad, dad went up to Dave and said, well, what did you say to the, to the um? He's like, oh, I asked him if Ryan Ray was giving a hard time. He said, yeah, he kind of is. He's like, I'll have a chat with him about that.

And just, you know, I think when I look back, like when you look at a guy like Dave McLean, and it's what we're talking about with different coaching is Dave McClain still had, like, we had very plays for if someone was going to steal second with someone on third, you know, squeeze plays, different plays. Like, he had tons of plays. But he wasn't trying to overcoach you on how to hit. how to how to catch a ball and and so going back to the NHL it's let the guys play you over time if you're standing on the bench think about it you're standing on the

bench so let's go back to Knoblock with the others you're standing on the bench with them you're gonna let McDavid and Drysidl just play and then all of a sudden if you start to see a tendency you might mention the dry sidle you know every time you go across on the blue line on your left side they're pinching there with two guys so if you do it just be aware because if you trip it down and you get nudges going down low you're going to get him the puck and that's you'll gain respect from them guys because now you're helping them with little things instead of going to dry saddle yeah they're pinching you off we're going to switch it up we're going to have you move the

puck over to hyman he's going to dump it in and we're going to get nudes to go get it quit trying to tell these guys how to play hockey the best players in the league you just you're just helping with little things what coffee did in my mind is he came into that bench and said listen boys you guys are all good defensemen you're playing in the n hl all we're going to do this we're going to quit rim the puck every time we grab it and you're going to start making plays are you going to make mistakes yes we're going to make mistakes it's going to be okay but we're going to start to make plays and as time goes on it's going to break down the opposition we're going to get better at it and then what paul coffee does is stand on the bench now and let the guys play and every

once in a while could be at home could be stetcher anybody in between every once in a while he'll notice something and he'll just go to him and say you know when you when you're coming around you're just ringing it right away. If you look, there's chance sometimes, but one every three time you could probably reverse it to your D partner. And that's all he's doing. He's just helping the guys rather than telling the guys. How good is Bouchard become because of coffee?

And I'm assuming it's coffee. You have to. Coffee and Echholm as well. Yeah, but while Echholm was out, Bouchard was tied up. Well, last night and overtime again. Bouchard gets pretty much a breakaway off and you're like, where is this? When did he become that good of a skater?

I want to address the Ekholm comment because you're right. Echholm did help Bouchard. But Bouchard, while Ekholm was out, was the best defenseman I've ever seen him play. And you're talking about last night, how many defensemen in the league can go one-on-one against another team's defenseman and beat them? There's what, a handful? McCar. McCar?

Hughes. Quinn Hughes. Maybe Heiskenen? Like, there's not very many. There's like three or four that you can go, yeah. Sean Newman. They can actually beat him one-on-one. Sean just goes to the outside.

Oh, wow, hey? Uh-huh. Okay. All right. But what I'm saying with Bouchard is... See you tomorrow, Dusser. See you tomorrow. What I'm saying with Bouchard is, he's become the player...

Dust what happened to your broken knee. Can't be any worse than J. freaking ragged me all the way down behind the net last game. You know, every once in a while, you just got to work for it, Dust. I tell you what, I've been the hardest on Bouch, I think, at any one of us for. I haven't liked his game. And after the first two games against L.A., maybe the first three games against L.A., it's almost like something clicked, and he's been their number one D-man the entire time.

Power play, not power play. He's got some of the biggest hombres coming to kill him, and he doesn't get hit. And when he gets into the zone, somehow it doesn't look like he has another gear. He's got another gear. He catches everybody. Like, I've been, like, thoroughly impressed with Bouchard. So much paying him. Well, like, that's the problem.

Now you're going to have to pay them. Like, I mean, up until this point, I'm like, oh, maybe you're, maybe. Your core on the Oilers went from being before this year. It was dry saddle and McDavid, without a doubt. You have a core of three now, and Bouchard's the third. So do you have to trade a guy like Nurse to be able to sign Bouchard? Yes.

The Caps are pretty high. Caps going up, though, too. You got 12 million in Capspace for next year. You need to sign Klingberg or Bouchard, Perry Brown. If the oilers, If the oldest win the cup, does Perry retire? No, no. Guys, listen, I don't know.

I thought Perry was a two-year deal. No, one-year deal. So you've got like seven guys you need to sign. You've got $12 million to do it, and Bouchard's probably getting $9 or $10. Isn't he? Mm-hmm. So there's your problem,

and that's why you've got to find a way to get rid of Arvinson, and you're probably finding a way to move nurse. Those are the two guys. You know what? Playoffs aren't done. Let's worry about that after. I know, right. He signed a one year,

$1.4 million. All I'm saying is that Bouchard, Bouchard is, is one of your three now because he's playing that well. That's a good problem for the Oilers. I mean, like, you know, everybody said he was that good

and you're like, he puts up points on the power plate. Is he the UFA are still restricted? Restricted. So they still have, like, there's options. A little bit of leverage. You don't want St. Louis to walk in and still, no, no, never. Never.

Once, twice, but thrice? Okay. So I do want to talk about that first goal last night that Florida scored. Now, they allowed it on the review, but I think, I look at that review, and I think...

Got paid $3.9 million. That's what his contract was this year. Bouchard. Yeah, he's going to get a big raise. He's going to get a big raise. If you get him for seven or eight, that would be fantastic. You're not getting them for seven or eight?

Nurses making nine. I know. That's the problem. Okay, so that first goal last night. Ten times eight? Is it? You're saying 10 times eight? If nurse is getting nine,

he's not getting under nine. No, no, no, eight years, 10 million. Oh, sorry, eight times 10. Eight years is the max, you can go. Thank you. Thank you. Ten times eight, I'd agree. Sean's here all night.

Yeah, that's right. So the first goal last night for Florida, they allowed it because they said that the weather's defenseman pushed in Bennett into the goalie. Well, he tripped over his foot. Foot, yes. It wasn't pushed. I think there's, correct. Correct.

Foot trip. Yes, yes, yes. So when I look at it, there's three scenarios. One, the four goes in willingly, and they call it back. Two, the defenseman pushes the forward into the goalie, and it's a good goal. But there's a third scenario that happened last night where it's incidental, but the forward crashes into the goalie. Not because he wanted to, but because it, you know, not because the guy tripped him.

Well, and maybe, maybe it was that. But it's also sometimes where there's lots of people in front of the net. Sure. You take a step or whatever you trip and you fall into the goalie. In those cases, the goal can't count. that's the way I look at last night. It surprised me. Like, you know, if you take out the emotion being an Irish fan,

you watch that and you go, after they call that a good goal, and the commentator said, if you're Corey Perry, if you're anyone who stands in front of the net, every time you're knocked, even a little bit, anytime you catch something, you're fault. No, I fell in it. Yeah, I tripped over the foot. And now you're going to be.

If it's not a bad push-cross check into the goalie? I thought it was a miss by the NHL. I really don't. You call it back, and then everybody knows if you bump the goalie, right even even even open up so if Sean's foot there and I happen to trip over Sean's foot I can run into the goalie correct but care you're right Cory Perry would never do that right would never grab a pad look you you you I bet you Corey Perry went home last night watch the

game tape of it and he's like in the video how do I well like how do I'm yeah okay well like I mean it's his art Marchand well I know this everybody right yes I know but you're you're worried about my I might try it in an hour see what Sammy has to say after it that one bugged me a little bit what did you think of the overall four three win I just thought I will say

I was texting with a buddy last night after two periods Florida had put the pressure on in prior series against the teams in the third period they'd ran away with it the Oilers had either done that or come back in the third periods of lots

and so you've got two third period teams who's going to win out. And I thought just for confidence to watch Oilers get the third goal and win in overtime, that was Florida walked into that period up 3-2 going, hey, if this is Carolina, we walk out of here, 6-2. So to put some stats to that, under Maurice, the Panthers have been 31 and 0 in the playoffs when they were leading after the first period. Goal differential in the third period was 27 for the first period. Panthers and seven for everybody else. 29 and 0 when leading after two periods. Yeah.

Under Maurice. So that is the first time they've given up a lead going into the third period in over two playoffs. The thing that stuck out to me last year... In two playoffs, roughly. Was Dryde Settle had zero goals in the finals last year, and he was hurt. He had two last night. Last year, they weren't all quite healthy and all together.

And this year... And Granted, you're missing, Hyman. You are missing Hyman, but... But everybody else is pretty good to go. Everybody's pretty good to go. You're at home back and Drysidal putting up two in the first game. Kane was a beast last night too. It's a different series because of that.

Like you're talking about one of the two best players in NHL and he's going. So, and you're right. Kane was fantastic last year. He wasn't that great. Well, no, Kane didn't finish out the series. Everybody knows he was banged up, right? Yeah. And Kane isn't your number one player.

But when a team has bullied Carolina and probably bullied the Maple Leafs a bit and probably bullied the Tampa Bay Lightning a bit. You know, they were asking Kane, you know, what do you think about the physical? And he just chuckled. Yeah, I think we're ready. I mean, like, that's Evander Keynes. And when he's playing

right up to the line, but not going over the line, he's such an effective player. Like, who wants to go, he made some big hits. Every time that big body comes in, you know, it doesn't feel good on the boards. So he goes in the corner and everybody goes in the corner, and everybody's kind of, ah. The other thing

I did notice, and this has nothing to do with last night's game, but for the series, they were finishing checks, and even when it was like 3-3 in the last 10 minutes of the 3rd, they're still finishing their check-in-ac-blood, and they're finishing their check-in-act blood, and they're finishing the check-up. I really like Pot-Colzen. Pot-Colson, too. He doesn't see a pile of ice, but he is very effective when he does. Well, he is, but what I'm saying is they're finishing their checks like they're going to win

a long series. They're tiring them out. I will say this about the game last night. It's everything I expected. You got two really, really good teams. You got really good teams. And it was a great game overall. I was saying earlier today,

I hope the others win four straight. I really do. But you can, after watching that game, you're like, it'd almost be a disservice. Disservice if it didn't go six or seven. Because like those are two very, very good teams, both very well coached. And you've got superstars on both sides.

And I'm not saying that years, past hasn't been very similar. But like this year, they both feel like they're at the level where they should win the cup. You can tell the Oilers are a different team this year because of what happened with Dallas. Dallas is a really good team. And in game five, they walked away with it. It wasn't even close.

And that was not the Oilers team from last year. No. They're on a different level this year, for sure. Now, Florida is a really good team, a team they haven't faced because Florida is a defender chance. Part of the thing I think with both teams is both teams have. had multiple players out for extended periods before the playoffs ever started. So, you know, Jay was surprised when I picked Eminton, Florida. Yes, I did pick them, Eminton, Florida in the

finals. Harles, you must be winning the draft then if you knew who was going to play in the finals, eh? Just because of that dust, everybody gets to pick players. And so some of the players went higher than what I was willing to spend on it. But you knew who was going to play in the finals titles. Who did you pick for players in the draft? He's got oilers. I do have boilers. I just don't have McDavid and dry settle, but I got the next five after that.

And so, yeah, I'm going to be up there, but I'm not going to win it. Yes, you're correct. Instead, Dustin just picked the entire Florida team, and that's all he went with. I was confident. Yeah, so there you go. It wouldn't be an episode of the Brothers Roundtable without a little self-back tap from Doste. You know, I'm so great. So great.

Two years in a row, boys. You know, they tell us the hard, it's hard to be a humble story about me, but I sit here and I watch Dustin. You wonder if she's really talking about Dustin. No kidding. No kidding. All I was trying to get at was the fact that there was a lot of guys that were getting healthy, getting the rest, going into the playoffs,

and then now you're seeing the fruition of that, especially coming into the finals. So I think the Oilers in Florida at the end of the year were different. I think the Oilers had a bunch of guys that were hurt. On the Florida side, I think they were arresting guys. Now, outside of Kachuk, because he was hurt. Fair enough. But they had four or five guys that they weren't that banged up. They were resting up and making sure they're 100% essentially going into the playoffs.

I always think back to what they said. The biggest thing that Scotty Bowman brought the Red Wings with Eisenman is that he convinced to Eisenman was more important to win a cup than it was to get 150 points in a season. And I just feel like the Oilers have matured to the point where even though they get points and they're leading the league and playoffs scores. and stuff. McDavid and Drysaddle could give two crafts about who gets the goal, who gets the assist. If the third and fourth

line score of the goals, all they want to do is win a cup. And I think they've graduated to that spot, and that's why they'll win. Because there is zero personal ocalades left with them too. They are leading from, I will block a shot, I will go on the penalty kill. I will dump the puck if I have to. On the back, as hard pulling back as I go with the puck

I will rag doll dust all the way down in the corner. Hey? Personal accolades. done. If they just, well, they score on the power play at the end, but if they could just get their power play clicking at a higher level. A higher level? Yeah, that goal in the overtime looked pretty good, Sean.

It did. It did. That was some fantastic. Well, the thing is, is Florida is a high pressure team, right? Even in the D zone, right? Every time they're activating their defense. Like, how many times you see they always get hemmed in? And that is a hard thing to adjust to because before you get the puck, you know

Eckblatt's coming. Oh, man, right? Because he's a big man. But what did they catch Florida doing? Pushing way too hard. And it left Drysidal and McDavid in a two-on-one against Barkoff. Great patience by Nuge originally with the pressure on them, not just coughing that puck up. And then obviously, you know, Perry making a great play.

And McDavid's great pass. But they pressure at the top because it wasn't a clean spot to make on Nugent Hopkins. In fairness, Florida, right? But as soon as he bangs it down and now Perry's got it, oh man, they push hard again. Perry makes a soft touch. That's a two-on-one. Barkoff leaves the front of the net.

Who's all alone? It's just like, you know, you can, as the oilers, the thing about pressure is, is if you make the passes, which they can do, you get around the pressure. So when I was watching that. And you'll get really good chances. When the Oilers entered the zone there and the setup the Oilers had at the start before they pass it down low, they were. in a terrible spot. I was sitting there

and I'm like, oh, Florida is going to get this and fire it down. And if I'm coaching the Florida Panthers, they played that exactly how their system is designed to do it. They just got broke down by by good passing. By really good puck movement. And talented guys. Oh, yeah. Without a doubt, you've got some of those... You lose Hyman, but who goes on the power play unit?

Corey Perry. I mean, he's legit. If he wins a cup this year, does he go in the Hall of Fame? Yeah, I would say so. If he went to If he wins a cup this year, is he? Six times in the play, Stanley Cup House? If he wins the cup this year, is he retiring? No, I don't think so.

I would say he comes back one more here. He probably takes a minimum. Jay, what do you think? I think he retires on top. I think he retires on top. I think he retires on top. This is what I think. Let me tell you.

Hey? Let me tell you. You're posing a question that you already know. Let me tell you. He tries to become a second sport athlete dust? I'm going to put this out there because I don't think he retires. And the reason why I don't think he retires is, I think he retires is, I think he He's having too much fun playing with McDavid and Drysidal.

If he was in a spot where he wasn't having as much fun or didn't like the guy so much or like his role, I think he's having fun. There's also something going out on top. I don't know. I get that, but I think he's having so much fun. I think he sticks with it. He's not playing the, he is playing the fourth line, but he's also playing the first line. He's playing first line power play.

And like, I just go, you win and you look at that other's team, you go, if I come back, there's a good chance we have another shot. I just don't, I don't see him retired. I could be wrong. He's playing. Look at Cory Perry right now. He's doing the little things right. Don't get me wrong.

He ran over probably 10 times last night where I'm like, but there he is. Game winner out on the ice. Nice little play. And McDavid goes right to him because it's as much as it's. That was a brilliant pass. But it was nudge to him. He feels the pressure.

Boom. It's around. It's like that's how you beat the pressure. Because when Florida's at the best, it's because of the pressure. They're all over you. They're activating their defense. Everybody.

And when it's rolling, I mean, their aggressiveness is what coughs up the puck, and then it's like you're chasing it everywhere. The thing about it all is, is his average time on ice right now is just under 12 minutes. So, you know, like, how much longer can you go?

Million bucks, 12 minutes a night, another shot at the cup playing with McDavid and Drys. He's going to go knit quilts, you know? He's done. He's going to go hang him up. Go scout some. kids in the ring. Sounds like Carl's that if we're right, we get a silver dollar.

And if they're right, they get one, hey? Oh, I'll just pay the bell either way. Kind of like, sounds like you're picking the two finalists. Did McDavid pass, they were having this huge debate last night? Yes, I've seen that. Did he pass it to Ekholm? Or Kane? And I'm going to say, no, he was trying to pass to King.

King got tied up. It went to Ekholm as a secondary. I say yes. You say yes, what? When I watch it, the trajectory of where it's going and the height of it, McDavid can put the puck anywhere, although it is bounced. It hits the goalie stick and to flex up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, I mean, where he's passing it, if he's trying to get it to Kane, it should have been, if it was going this way, it should have been a little bit over here and a little bit lower. It should have just went like literally, I think it was going to. I agree with Biaza. I think it was going to Kane because if he was, actually passed an Ekholm, he would have had a little more of a smoother sauce on it a little farther because Ekholm was farther back.

He was dropping it into there. It hit that goalie stick and kind of bounced and bounced and Ekholm got it. And he was just trying to drop it there hoping Kane could get a stick on it and push it through. But if he was, if you think about it, if you come around and now maybe Sean doesn't know this dust, right, being a defenseman. But if you come around with the puck and you're close to the net like that. Says the guy who shows it. Okay.

Sure. And I see a guy, and if I see a guy second tier back there, you got to put a little mustard, a little more sauce on it to get it to him because otherwise you're scared it will get stuck in the slot. I think he was trying to do an area pass in Kane's vicinity. Right. I think and just hoping that King could get to it. Now, if it was Sean, he probably just shot the buck. No, no, no. He wouldn't have went for the wrap round for sure.

I would have put a top shelf. For sure, I would have. Like, I mean, come on. I'm surprised they didn't ask that question of McDavid last night. Like, they ask all these boneheaded questions. What do you think? We're trying to hit at home or we're trying to hit Cain. Yeah, that was the only question anyone cared about.

What are we betting on this week, gentlemen? We've got a game. Game two? Or do you want game two and three? We got Friday. Well, it gives you more options. Friday, Monday. Friday, Monday, Thursday is the next one.

And we'll probably, let's go Friday and the next two. Okay. I'm going, oilers up two games to one. Or do we got to go game by game? Game by game. I'm going Oilers win Then lose

I'm the same I'm going to go Florida wins And then Florida wins Okay Florida Well I'm gonna go Florida wins

Eminton wins Dust Sean tiebreaker Florida Emmenton Yeah The only tie breakers Between you two

Eh Well I don't know Maybe we should all be involved In this tiebreaker It wasn't this What we did last time like it wait a minute though what happens if emminton wins two in a row

then there would be a tiebreaker between the three of us that's right I'd be the only one out so Jay you don't get to partake in the time no you said Florida emitting didn't you yes but if emminton wins one game each oh yeah if emminton wins both yeah all right this is why we just do a tiebreaker

between all of us so I'll be part of the tiebreaker just in case Harle's you know what's funny is plus 10 Carolina the last tiebreaker Harley was in he said uh what do you say Carolina plus 10. If he actually would have went the opposite way,

he would have been close to bang on with that plus 10. The time breaker didn't matter though, dust. I know, but if what are we talking about here? This was the whole point. It didn't matter. Hey, Harles, you're yelling, Harleck. You're yelling. Okay.

I only have one coin, Harles. So we're doing plus or we doing final score on game two? Two game plus minus? I don't know. Yeah, two game plus minus. All right. Sean went first. Dust, you get to go first, sis.

Yeah, that's right. I'll go Eminton plus five. We go Florida plus three. Emmington plus five. Mm-hmm. So then this would, but the thing is, is this is more actually interesting for Sean and I because we could tie with you

or we could just tie the two of us. Yeah, Harles. So pick us. What are you picking, Harles? Eminton plus three. Do you want a hint, Sean? Yeah. I'd go Emmington Plus 2 because you guys are each picking Florida and Emmington to each winning game.

They could cancel each other out. So for Emmetton Plus 2. No coaching over there. You're out of this. Forget yourself. I just state. I was going to take it anyways. Eminton Plus.

Bullshit. Hip. Hip. Hip up. Hip-up. Hip-up anonymous. Gentlemen, thanks for coming in. The listener got a little Donald Trump, Elon Musk at the start.

I wonder what it's doing now. But game two tomorrow night, and we'll be back next week. Well, probably before game four would be my guess. But either way, thanks for hopping in, folks, and we'll catch up to you next week.