Shaun Newman Podcast - #867 - Dave Bradley

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Dave Bradley is the Chief Revenue Officer (CRO) and a Director of Bitcoin Well. Bradley is a prominent figure in Canada’s Bitcoin industry, recognized as a leading expert in Bitcoin, cryptocurrency, and blockchain technology. He founded the world’s first brick-and-mortar Bitcoin store and co-founded Bull Bitcoin, Canada’s longest-serving Bitcoin brokerage. He also established the Canadian Blockchain Consortium, where he serves as Vice President, and founded Ghostlab, Inc., which develops Bitcoin ATM software. To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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All right, let's get on to that tale of the tape. He's the chief revenue officer at Bitcoin Well. I'm talking about Dave Bradley. So buckle up. Here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Dave Bradley. Dave, welcome back on, sir.

Thank you for having me. Well, I mean, we got to see each other at the Cornerstone Forum. Of course, you were the first Bitcoin. speaker in 2024 and then 2025 it was Ben Perrin. And so we've had a we've had a little Bitcoin touch in the in the form. What did you think of this year's form? It was awesome. It was definitely a step up from last year.

And the timing couldn't have been better with the absurdity of the federal election. And, you know, it turned what was essentially a freedom conference into essentially an independence conference. Do you think we're going to get to a referendum? Do you think we're going to get to an independent Alberta? Yeah, I do. There are a lot of forces stacked up against us. As our mutual friend, Tom Luongo, always says,

all roads lead to London. And this is essentially a battle trying to pry Canada out of the clutches of the globalist elites in the city of London. And so there's, there's likely to be a lot of money and, propaganda stacked up against Alberta independence. But I think what's unique as compared, you know, we always get compared to the Quebec struggle for independence. And I think what's very unique is, is that whereas Quebec has been paid to stay in Canada, we are paying to stay in Canada. And it's pretty black and white when you look at the numbers, you know, the average Albertan is going to save quite a lot of money in an independent Alberta. And that those are

savings that will take place on day one. And so I think it's just a matter of, you know, the movement getting organized, the narrative getting crystallized like that and people like us just like telling the story properly in a reasonable way that the average Albertan will, will resonate with. Yeah. If you, if you stare at the numbers, It becomes, you don't have to talk about much else other than that. It becomes pretty self-evident, doesn't it? It's like, yeah, yeah. I mean, and then you just, you stack on all the other things, right?

Just all the insanity that Ottawa seems to want to tie us into and do and control. And you're like, you get rid all that. Jeez, that's just like an added bonus. Yeah, exactly. I did some chat, GBT research. And I hope somebody will do a better version of this, like a real study on this question. but I was trying to figure out how much money would the average Albertans save under an independent Alberta. And so I basically just took all of the costs that the current federal government spends on the province of Alberta and transferred those over to the provincial budget.

And so basically if the if the provincial, what is now the provincial government, which would in theory become the national government just replaced all of the services that our federal government now provides us. And, you know, the same services of the same cost, which I think is a pretty low bar, first of all. And hopefully we can do better than that. But even if we just go with their very low bar, the end of the math is that the average Albertan will save between $17,000 and $25,000 a year. And that's, that's something I think most people could use. Just so every, you're saying every Alberta.

So like a tax paying Albertan would save $17 and $25. So if you're sitting there as a married couple, you're talking about like, like upwards of 50 grand? Yeah. I didn't even get into tax brackets or everything like that. I just took the total savings for the province and then divided it by the population of the province. So it for some people will be even more than that. And, you know, that's pretty black and white. It's something that I think, I don't think there's many people who would vote to stay in Canada knowing that.

definitely don't think there's really almost anyone in Canada that would, or in Alberta, that would vote to join Canada if we were not already part of it, if it was coming with that extra bill. And so when you frame it like that, you know, like I say, I'd love to see somebody more credible than myself in terms of research,

pick that up and run that down with a more detailed study. But it's, it's shocking that, like, you know, if you're sitting there and you're playing the game of politics, I get that you can't come out. Oh, we've got to be careful because, you know, what if we don't get the referendum or what if we don't get the result we want on the referendum?

But when you look at just simply the economics of it, like that, those are, those, that isn't a couple grand of family. Those are big numbers. That's like life altering money that you would be saving, essentially. Yeah. And we're, we're now all in this situation. Like most, most people are really feeling the crunch, right? The crunch of inflation caused by the never ending spending of the liberal. party and the money printing that backs that up has trickled down into literally everything.

And, you know, we're, we're seeing that even, even now, like we went through the sort of COVID inflation that we're told is over, but the fact is it's not. And our food prices, our housing prices, everything is going up really fast right now. And these official inflation numbers that they tell us are blatantly not true. And we can all, we can all tell that. And only 2%, Dave. It's only 2%. Yeah. Meanwhile, the cost of stake is up 50% this year in 2025, which, you know, that's a good barometer for me.

And that that cost of living is just going up for everyone. And so literally everyone could really use that savings that we would get by getting this, really this parasitic entity off of our backs. Well, you know, I've told this story a couple times and we'll see if I get any better at it. But, you know, like when I listen to. It doesn't matter if it's Bitcoiners, gold guys, economists, they all use terms and my brain takes time to sit and like, okay, what does that actually mean? And I feel like maybe slowly getting my, I don't know, what's your introduction to economics or something, you know, like when I hear

they're going to, the budget is, you know, we're going to have a deficit and it's going to be in the hundreds of billions over the next little bit. All I hear is like, okay, well, how are are you going to fund you know how are you going to pay the deficit it's going to be printing money or it's going to be some other form of of you know cananigans and all that's going to do is create more inflation which means all the money you have in your pocket is going to be worth less in the next five years am i wrong yeah that's absolutely true and i think more and more people are starting to grasp this now like pre-covid if you would ask the average person on the street um about inflation like what Dave if you would ask me what Fiat was five years ago I would have been like

yeah I don't know I don't know right now I've watched so many so many videos on money and how it works I'm like I'm trying my best to just get it so it's like second nature like watching the oilers when they dump in chase and you're like well that's interesting and I don't have to think about it that's what my brain I want my brain to do when it comes to money but it has taken a lot of effort And if you would have asked me Fiat five years ago, I wouldn't have known. Carry on. Yeah, absolutely. And it's something where you have to spend a little bit of time to really get your

head around it. Money is super important to everyone. It's ubiquitous in our world. It's how we determine how we spend our time as a group, which is really, really important at the large scale. And yet most people don't really have much of an understanding of it. And even, as I say, years ago, almost no one had any understanding of it. But part of the silver lining of COVID and all of the nonsense that came with it and all of really just the ramping up of the collectivism that we've seen from all of the sort of Davos city of London affiliated nations of the world where they've just really put the money printer into high gear has driven home this problem of inflation.

And it's gotten to the point where you know, you've you've been lucky enough to be pulled into a world where it's sort of piqued your curiosity to bring you down all these. But even if you didn't want to do that, the average person does not have the luxury not to care about inflation anymore because it's hit them so hard in the pocketbook. And everyone can feel that literally the price of food is triple what it was six years ago. And that's not an exaggeration. That's just the way of the world is. And so the silver lining to that is that a lot more people have woken up to this problem that the government is causing.

And really at the end of the day, when the government prints money, it's not coming out of nowhere. It's not coming out of thin air. There's only so much value in the whole world. And the money supply is supposed to be a representation of all the value that we're creating and providing to each other. And when you earn money, you're earning a portion of that total value. And when the total number goes up, the value, the purchasing power of the money that you're earning goes down. And so it's really just a game of math. And when the government prints money, the value for that money is coming directly

out of the pockets of people who are already holding that money. I want to talk to you about Bitcoin for a second, obviously having you on. We're going to talk some Bitcoin. I've been hearing from a lot of people who are not in Bitcoin that they miss the boat. Like, you know, like it's like it's already over, you know, like I think in Canadian terms, it's like 140,000 roughly. And people see that and they're like, I just miss the boat. No point in buying Bitcoin anymore.

It's already gone. And I'm like, what? What are you talking about? I'm like, what's to say Bitcoin doesn't go to a million to, I don't know the crazy number out there, but like some insane number. I'm like, we're in the first 15 years, 20 years of Bitcoin. I'm like, extrapolate that out another 60. Do you think it goes down?

Now, barring an EMP, barring some crazy cyber attack that I can't even begin to wrap my brain around that just goes into the guts of this thing and destroys it. Okay. Like, go, go insane world. Okay, fine. And we do live in an insane world. But like, to the people that are sitting there going, ah, I just, I missed the boat. What's your thoughts on that? Yeah.

So the first time I had this conversation was in 2011 when Bitcoin had run from $3 to $30. And I was meeting a guy at Tim Hortons to sell him some Bitcoin that I had mined in my basement. And he was like, oh, I can't believe I missed it. And he had missed that 10x from $3 to $30. But in retrospect, saying that you missed it at $30 is kind of dumb sounding at this point. Right. So I was like, at the time, I was like, I don't know. Like, I have no idea what the price is going to do.

I still have no idea what the price is going to do. But it doesn't feel to me like you missed it. And then in typical Bitcoin fashion, a few months later, Bitcoin had crashed down from the $30 point to like $6 or something like that. Still much higher than it had come from. And this other guy that I was meeting in the same scenario was like, I can't believe it's dead. And I gave him kind of the same answer. like, I don't know. I don't think it's dead. And I've had those exact same conversations at every single price point all the way up. So at $3,000, I was having this conversation with somebody

telling them, I don't think $3,000 is at the top. And I have the same answer now, right? So we're, we're still, you know, in terms of adoption in early days, we're kind of at 15 to 20% adoption in the Western world in terms of people who have or do own Bitcoin. and we're just starting to see the tip of the iceberg of like the institutional money getting in. And so there's a lot of reasons to be bullish on the future demand for Bitcoin. And that's what determines this is the supply and the demand, right? And the supply is not going to change. So if the demand goes up and the supply doesn't change, it's just math, right?

And then the flip side to that is like, if you don't think Bitcoin is going to go up, does that mean you don't think the dollar is going to go down? because as much as we, you know, we, we love the price of Bitcoin going up and everybody loves to talk about these price spikes. The big part of what's going on there is actually the dollar going down in value. It's not Bitcoin going up in value. And so both are happening at the same time. But as we've just discussed, the dollar is just very rapidly losing its value. It's losing its purchasing power.

A dollar doesn't get you nearly as much as it did five years ago. Whereas Bitcoin remains unchanged. The supply has been set by the schedule the whole time. And there's no central bank. There's no Mark Carney that can suddenly decide to print extra Bitcoin with no oversight. And so really a bet on Bitcoin is it a bet against the dollar. It's a bet against this current system of just printing and spending money with no accountability or oversight. And the thing is, is like, we're going to continue to print money.

We're going to continue like when I, when I, when I sit back, and I go, man, I wish I could see into the future. I'm reading one of Tom Luongo's got me on, um, oh, forgive me, uh, Ubik, but I'm, I'm spacing on the, the author's name. Anyways, there's, Philip K. Dick. Thank you. And he's got me on a new one. So I, I finished that and, and then we talked about it. And I'm reading the next one he gave me and precogs are in it, right? So they can really see the future. I'm like, what a, what a, what a way to live in the world if you could like see

the future. But when I stare at this, I'm like, you kind of can. Like they're literally telling you what they're going to do. They're going to have a giant deficit. How are you going to pay the interest on the giant deficit? You're going to, you know, either tax us into oblivion or, wait, we're already there. Or they're going to print more money. And all that's going to do is devalue our dollar, which means, you know, if nothing else were to change, the price Bitcoin is going to go up. Like, I mean, it's almost simple.

You just got to wait the year over a year to get there. But it's like, I was saying to Brett Olin, I'm like, you know, I think I'm going to move on from sound money as a conversation at the Cornerstone Forum. And then the longer we talked about it, I'm like, I'm never moving on from the idea of like economics, money, because this is going to be a year over year, over year. The same conversation is going to be playing out because the governments have continued to do the same thing unless something, can you imagine a government walks in and stop printing money and like, I mean, I can't see that ever happening, Dave. Maybe you have a different lens. Yeah. The long-term bear case for Bitcoin is that governments become reasonable and stop spending more than they.

Don't say that while I'm drinking coffee, all right? You almost have me spit it everywhere. Yeah. So it's pretty easy to predict a very small number of things. And one is that the government will continue to steal from us and lie to us. And if you trust the government to stop doing that, then there's no reason to protect your wealth with Bitcoin. But if, you know, like most people, you can see the fact that the government, especially the federal government as an Albertan, does not have the best interests of the people in mind, then Bitcoin is a hedge to this spending. And it's it's also a way to opt out of this system because when you keep your money in Bitcoin, when you keep the value that you've earned with your time in Bitcoin,

they no longer have the ability to siphon that portion of value away from you with money printing. And part of the reason that they need to siphon that away is all of the excesses, all of the wrongs that they do to us, right? They couldn't have afforded to pay for the RCMP to trample an old woman with a horse if they didn't have the ability to print money from thin air for free. They couldn't afford to crack down and shut down our pipelines. They couldn't afford to pay men with guns to subject. us, put it bluntly, if they did not have the ability to print that money out of thin air.

And we've seen examples of this like in Venezuela where they lost their ability to print money. Their currency went off the cliff and plummeted to basically nothing. And now the country is limited in their spending in that they can pretty much only spend what they bring in. And that has made the country markedly more free because the resources of the state are no longer virtually unlimited. What are your thoughts on El Salvador? I like what they're doing in theory in a lot of ways. A lot was made of the fact that they made Bitcoin legal tender. I don't like that or care about that. I don't think money is something

that should be delegated by the government. And so I don't care whether we have their help or permission to use Bitcoin. We don't need it. We don't need it in Canada or in Alberta. They didn't need it in El Salvador. And forcing people to use it, doesn't. doesn't really help anything. I do like that they have taken the very radical step of just arresting all the criminals. That seems like a pretty good way to make your society a lot, a lot safer. But it, and the nice thing in El Salvador is all the criminals had a criminal tattooed on their face, basically. So it was very easy to identify the gang members. We don't have that luxury here, but it also kind of brings up the question of, like, are there a bunch of

political opponents of the dictator there who have fresh face tattoos sitting in that super prison who were never members of that gang? So it, it's giving a lot of power to the state that, you know, we've seen invariably throughout human history, the state will abuse that kind of power when, when they have that. But, you know, it had gone so far in the other direction that, that, somebody needed to do something. And like, I think that's kind of where we're headed here. You know what I mean? We're in our, in our major cities in North America, uh, we've reached a state of near lawlessness where a, uh, crackhead vagrant assaulting somebody is not even going to draw police attention.

They're going to say, come down and fill out a form and we're never going to do anything about that. Right. And so the, the, the most basic, um, what the most basic, uh, tenant of the state, what the state should be providing at the court. is the protection of our physical safety and property rights. And they're really not even doing that anymore. They've really just twisted into this entity that's just there to siphon money out of us. And it's actually in some ways in their best interests that we continue to live in an increasingly unsafe society.

And they're they're very incentivized to continue to create more problems, the next emergency, the next thing that they need additional powers and additional money to crack down on us with. So I see El Salvador being like a little bit ahead of the curve in that they've taken some rational ideas. But I don't trust them one bit. I'm not going there. They've tried to lure a bunch of bit bit of Bitcoiners there. And that seems a little bit like a honeypot to me. They're like, hey, come to El Salvador, bring all your Bitcoin.

We promise you would save. And I, you know, I don't trust them any more than any other government. Fair points. when you talk about it doesn't matter if the government pushes for Bitcoin I forget you know there was Pierre Pollyev

who you know that's a couple years ago now started talking about Bitcoin and then it did a big drop and everybody made fun of them and you know really ragged on them for that but I remember Daniel Smith talking about

you know Bitcoin should become a hub in Alberta your thoughts on on government officials talking like that like does that get you excited or you're like no, I don't want them anywhere near, um, what Bitcoin's doing.

Yeah. Well, I don't want them to regulate anything. I don't want them to tell us how to use Bitcoin. I don't want them to tell anyone that they have to use Bitcoin. Um, I do think as long as the, uh, the provincial government is going to exist that it would be beneficial to all Albertans if the provincial government held some of its long term savings in Bitcoin. And that's for just the same reasons that, uh, that, you know, the average individual can benefit from holding their long-term savings in Bitcoin. We can avoid that inflation. But the next step past that, that could end up being very important,

is that Bitcoin could represent a pool of funds and a savings tool that the provincial government can hold that cannot be seized or attacked by the federal government. Because we have no idea how messy this thing is going to get as we go down the path of independence. And I don't think there's a limit to how far these, these globalist liberals will go to keep their cash cow milking essentially. And so, you know, everything from freezing the assets of the province to, you know, blocking transfers in

and out of the province in terms of money transfers, those things all could be potential situations that arise down the road. And just being ready for that, holding money that they can't control and they can't pervert is, I think, a potentially big step. So I have heard some, rumblings that there's a potential that the government's going to be government of Alberta is going to be looking at a strategic Bitcoin reserve. And that's that's kind of getting into the into the news lately. There's been about a half a dozen states that have have tabled laws pushing towards a strategic Bitcoin reserve for the states.

And we're seeing a massive influx on the corporate side with large publicly traded companies moving into holding large stockpiles of Bitcoin. and the market is seeming to respond to that. The market is agreeing that this is a better way to hold savings in the long term. So I think it's probably a pretty good idea for the province of Alberta to be putting, you know, as much money as we can spare into Bitcoin, basically. And I think, you know, oh, sorry. No, finish your thought. Yeah, we should be in a situation like Norway.

We were sitting on a multi-trillion dollar sovereign wealth fund, if not for the fact that that money had been siphoned away. by Ottawa. And so putting it into Bitcoins, one way we can prevent that happening in the future and at least move in that direction. Okay. So as you, as you're talking about a province and and, and, you know, like finding a way so that, you know, when you, you can see the eventuality of where we'll go and who will attack us and maybe putting some things that they can't attack. I'm just like, I see the SMP and I'm like, is it going to get easier or harder in this country to do what I do? I'm going to assume harder.

And I've had multiple bitcoinsers reach out to me. And I forget the term. You're probably known the Bitcoin term. But to have a business, have a, I don't know. Is it a wallet? I don't know. Is it just an account? I don't know.

And so that people can start to pay you in Bitcoin. You can start to build your something that can't be touched by all these things we're talking about. Does that make sense? Did I say it the right way? Yeah. Absolutely. So there's a few different systems set up that way. There's a there's a podcast platform that you should be on called Fountain. You can probably get on there fairly easily with your existing systems. I was I was on there at one point. Yeah. That has has built in Bitcoin tipping.

And I think it's like like your audience and Bitcoiners should cross over a lot. Right. I think Bitcoiners who are not watching you now should be and people who are watching you and are not yet Bitcoins. Should be watching Bitcoin things. Yeah, they're the next natural Bitcoiners because really what both groups have in common is that we've identified the problem, which is this massive government overreach and overspending, right? Like, that's what we're all trying to get out from under. And we believe that Bitcoin is one of those paths to get out from under that. And so, yeah, it makes a lot of sense for you. You get set up. There's a few different ways that you can accept Bitcoin tips and fountain's an easy one there. There's a social network

that is kind of like a competitor to Twitter that is structured in a similar way to Bitcoin that's got a lot of Bitcoiners on there called Noster, largely funded by Jack Dorsey, the founder of Twitter. But it's set up to be like a censorship-resistant version of Twitter. And it's got the Bitcoin tipping built in there too. So that one is a little bit bigger lift to figure out. But if you want to really reach the Bitcoiners,

that's where like the hardcore, hardcore Bitcoiners are these days. And yeah, and then the simple way also would be you could set up a wallet address or a lightning address and just post it in your show notes and people could just send you Bitcoin directly if they want to give you a tip. And I think that is going to be an indication of a lot of where the future of media is going to go, right? Like most of our big media is obviously funded directly from the top down and that gives the government a huge amount of influence. Whereas things like your show, you know, you're supported by your sponsors, but you can go even further down. the chain and just be supported directly by your listeners in a totally voluntary way. And it, that may not pay the bills, but it'll definitely, uh, definitely supplement what, uh, you got going on. So might as well, I tell you what, you look, um, if I go back to when I first

started, 2019 to now, the listeners are awesome. And I, I just, um, you know, when you have something, when you have something worthwhile for them, to donate to or tip. I remember Fountain getting tipped, you know, Satoshi. I just didn't know what I didn't even know what I was doing. I'm like, what am I doing right? Like, what is this? You know, Vance Crow showed up to Vance. He'd put me on to it a long time ago. So I talked about this probably three years ago, but I knew like, I just didn't know anything. I was like, what am I doing? And now I'm like, yeah, fountain. All right, we'll get back on Fountain. I probably left a whole bunch of Bitcoin just sitting there and I didn't even realize it, you know, like not full Bitcoin,

folks, Satoshi. And I'm like, yeah, there's a whole bunch of things there that I'm like, I just need to work with. I'm supposed to have Adam coming to the studio here. I think it's next week. I think is when he's coming in. Anyways, I got a whole bunch of questions for him because I now know a bunch of you. And I'm like, I just need to walk through this, set it up so that I can just start talking about it. It's not like it's rocket science anymore.

Certainly when I first started talking about my brain's going to melt trying to figure out how to get a Bitcoin wallet. But having the right people around makes it actually pretty straightforward, if I'm being honest. Yeah, it's really easy to get set up these days. We can shout out our friend Ben that you mentioned. He's got the YouTube channel, BTC Sessions. And he has a tutorial for basically every single Bitcoin product. And he's coming from a non-technical background. He's a very non-technical person.

So he figures these things out in a way and explains them in a way that the average person can understand pretty easily. So that's a great place to start. But there's this, there's this sort of psychological barrier that some people deal with when, when you're jumping into Bitcoin, that first leap and kind of overcoming what you're describing in your, in your, your path to getting set up on Bitcoin. And it's part of the change that I think we're going to see throughout society that is going to be brought on by, partly by Bitcoin, but partly by the change in, you know, I think the nature of where, what, what the nation state is going to mean to us in the long term. And I think we're moving back into an era where personal responsibility is going to be a lot more important.

And, you know, we have the saying in Bitcoin, be your own bank. The fact is not everybody wants to be their own bank because everybody's kind of conditioned to be in this system where things are set up for you and the work is done for you and you don't really have to turn your brain on to get your bank account working, right? and Bitcoin probably takes about an hour of your time and your attention to actually figure out and set up properly and you're going to need to pay attention. It's not hard to do, but it is a personal responsibility that rests with the individual. And if you screw it up, you can lose your money, right? And so you just got to pay attention and be careful. And ultimately, at the end of the day, it, you know, like I say, it's up to the individual.

And I think that is something that hopefully resonates with your listeners, because I think there's a lot of people in this group that do value personal responsibility and individualism. And this is just one more step in that direction. Yeah, well, it's, it's, well, I just, it's, I'm just learning. It's not a race. Like, I mean, don't get me wrong, would I have loved to a bit in Bitcoin in 2011, certainly, in 2019, certainly. When I first met Steve Barber and interviewed him in like 2021, certainly, right? Like, but at this same token, I'm like, but I had a whole bunch of stuff that I was rest. with and Bitcoin was just off in the periphery, right?

Just as gold was. Just as, just as a lot of things were. I, you know, and, um, you know,

the thing is, is like you just keep kind of building your, your, your, your, your, your, your tool belt and you just keep adding.

And at times you can add in a lot and at times you're like, man, I'm overloaded. And the Bitcoin thing just keeps coming up. It just keeps coming around. It's a very, um, you know,

the more conversations I've had actually with Brett Olin, um, You know, and actually Nick from Silver Gold Bull as well, right? We just started having all these conversations. You start seeing what the government's doing. You can just predict it. You can just start to see this is going to happen. It's going to happen again.

I remember interviewing like Doug Casey and him just being so matter of fact as an older man just like, no, the government's going to do this. And you're like, how do you know that? And then here you sit and you're like, oh, this is going to be like the next 40 years of my life, isn't it? Like this is literally going to go on rinse and repeat. You have the Bitcoin Rodeo coming up. here at the end of June.

Walk me through it. This is, what year is this for? Is this the, like, because I know you had it back before COVID, I think. Like, how many years is it now? Walk, walk everybody through it. Yeah, so the Bitcoin Rodeo is a Bitcoin conference we do in Calgary here. It's going to be at the Grand Theater on June 28th and 29th.

We did the first one in 2018. And then we didn't do it for a few more years. We brought it back three years ago. So this is technically the fourth Bitcoin rodeo. And it's a pretty interesting conference. You know, I go to a lot of Bitcoin conferences, and I'm obviously biased. But I think this is going to be one of the best ones in terms of the quality of the content that we put out there. We're doing a lot of content focused on Bitcoin's place in an independent Alberta.

We're also doing a fair bit of gold content. So, you know, I think there's a natural overlap between the gold bugs and the Bitcoin people. And sometimes those groups butt heads because, you know, they're both looking at it as I've got my bag and you've got your bag and which is a better investment kind of thing. But really, like I say, they're both trying to solve the same problem, right? And so I think gold is something that Bitcoiners should accept. And I think Bitcoin is something that gold people should accept. And so we're doing some content in that vein.

And just a bunch of stuff on, you know, where Bitcoin fits into the real world. So we're talking about how Fiat, as the opposite of Bitcoin, has twisted a lot of our systems in the world. And really, it's, it's gotten into our health care. It's gotten into our personal relationships. It's gotten into basically every element of our lives and has twisted the incentive systems on basically everything. And so we're talking a lot about how Bitcoin will fix some of the problems in the world in the long term and how we think it's going to affect the world, basically. and it's a non-technical conference, so it's designed to be something

that the average person can just walk into and enjoy, and we've got a pretty big, a pretty big focus on networking. So I think these, these kind of connections that people form, and you know, I've formed many great connections at Cornerstone and events like that, form the backbone of the movement

to get us out from under the boot of the federal government. And that, I think, is really the crux of the the broader movement that we're all in, whether it's Bitcoin or just the freedom movement or the gold people, we're in this change where, you know, you and I grew up, we're about the same age. We grew up pretty much believing that the government had our best interest in mind. I believe that until, um, about 2021.

I was a complete and utter moron. Yes. Yeah. So I, uh, due to Bitcoin, stopped believing that a little bit sooner, but I still like, I went through my entire 30s believing that, you know, and I, I, I was raised with that belief in mind and we all were, right? We all were taught that these are the special people that control what happens. And we never really were given a reason to question why it is that they have power over us. And now, you know, their abuses of that power have gotten so extreme that a lot more people can see it and a lot more people are are not buying it. And you see that like the the stuff that

Carney is attempting to do right now, um, basically saying we're going to get you, we're going to get you guys a pipeline, but we need to study it for two years. Um, like, I don't think people are going to buy that, right? I think people are starting to see the lies and starting to see the, the fact that we need out from under these boots. And, uh, yeah, that's kind of broadly what we're going to be talking about at the, at the Bitcoin rodeo. And obviously with a core focus on Bitcoin and where that fits in because I believe in those of us in the Bitcoin community believe that Bitcoin is really the most important element of this move to get out from under their power because really their powers, their ability to spend this money that they create from thin

air. And so by moving to Bitcoin, we defund them. And yeah, that's the gist of the conference. It's going to be a great time, I think. It's like I say, two days on the weekend. And we got an awesome list of Bitcoiners and some people from the freedom. community and it's it's going to be a very good time and uh you know it's looking like we're going to have a pretty good turnout so you can uh you can get tickets at uh bitcoinrodeo.com if you're interested. Yeah, Bitcoinrodeo.com. I'll put it in the show notes folks. So if you want to, um, uh, buy tickets, you can, uh, you can go there. You know, when when you first start like, okay, wait a second, the government, you know, Carol Crosson, who's no longer with us,

A lawyer, constitutional lawyer from, I think rural Alberta, forgive me on not knowing exactly right off the top of my head where she was from. It's, it's, anyways, it was near Calgary, I'm pretty sure. She had told me back in 2021, if the government never stepped over the line, I wouldn't have a job, right? I literally have a job because the government always steps over the line and we have, somebody has to keep them, you know, in line. And I was like, oh, yeah, that's a, huh, I had to go think about that. I'm like, oh, that's stuff. And when you, you, you, You start wrestling with things like Bitcoin or gold and why they hold their value.

Just like that whole, like just sit in that conversation for a bit. And I'm probably speaking to the choir. I'm probably my audience is way ahead of me, right? Like I'm sure they're screaming at the thing. Like let's get on to the next thing. Let's get on it. But like that, it's, it's a, when you have that fundamental discussion with maybe yourself or maybe friends, you start to realize, holy crap, right?

Like Bitcoin really represents or gold really represents more than just. just a while in the case of gold, a physical hold on wealth, right? Or in Bitcoin's case, it represents obviously something that can't be touched by government and it can't be printed 18 million times, right? But it really represents like this idea of moving away from government control and probably controlling your destiny, right? like holding your wealth so that government can't touch it. And the thing that's lovely about Bitcoin is they really, really, really can't touch it.

You know, Ben's speech on stage about the lady and forgive me, Ben, was it Afghanistan? It was one of the countries over there and how they use Bitcoin to help support them. Like, I mean, that's pretty freaking impressive, you know. And the same thing with the truckers, right? The truckers, they're getting funds. Then we start freezing bank accounts. They freeze any Bitcoin? Well, they can't.

It's a very, well, it's a very, you know, there's a philosophical discussion to be had around gold and Bitcoin. It's more than just, you know, what does it represent? And I'm sure the same could be said about fiat as well, you know. Yeah. So it's interesting that you mentioned the line when the government crosses the line, right? And for most of history and really the last hundred years have marked the money printing era, the area where the government has grown to a much more massive extent than it ever has before, and they've really taken a greater role in the world and consumed more of the resources of the

world than they ever have before, right? But up until just pre-COVID, the governments of the world, the globalists really who run this racket of looting us with money printing and debt, have been very good at not crossing that line. And my, my, Homegrown personal conspiracy theory is the 2019, I think, era was the paper straws. So, you know, you get this video, this five-year-old viral video of a turtle with a straw stuck up its nose goes crazy. And then somehow within two weeks, every bar and restaurant in the world is switched over to paper straws, which all of us who have used paper and straws can tell you is a stupid idea. right? Like you can't transport water with paper. So I think they tried this. They rolled this thing out

and it was suspicious to me that they had the supply chains all set up to provide this many paper straws to the entire world in advance of that turtle video. But I think they tried this thing and they're like, yep, you know, this is a measure of how much shit will people eat in the name of virtue signaling. And so you had all these people sitting there happily sucking up chunks of paper. being like, I'm saving the turtles. And they're like, yep, it worked. Roll out the Chinese virus. And I think COVID was the first really big overstep of that line where they,

they misjudged how far they could push people. And it's at the point now where, you know, it's kind of like like 1984, where it's like, you know, they're lying to us. We know they're lying to us. they know that we know that they're lying to us and yet they continue to lie to us right and so i think they've actually just kind of like abandoned that line at this point and they're they don't really care that everyone can see that they're frauds and that an increasingly large percentage of the population is no longer buying the bullshit that we need them to run our lives or else we will

not be safe or we will not be prosperous and um you know you can see that with the the just the absurdity of the Kearney government, right? You see him saying, we're spending $600 billion with no budget. And yet in parliament, he's saying, unlike the, unlike the conservatives, we know how to grow the economy without spending money. And it's like, you blatantly don't like you, you are spending money and you're not growing the economy. You're doing the very opposite of that. And you're looking us in the face and telling us a blatant lie. And we can all see that. And so I think the lines have become largely irrelevant at this point. And, you know, it's, it's kind of gotten to a point where they're in a race, I think, to loot as much as they can from the Western world before we stop them. And yeah,

like you say, Bitcoin is, is, is the path out. It's the path to stop them from looting your wealth. And that's particularly important because, you know, money is kind of upstream from almost everything, right? Like the only two things that I would say are upstream from money and the broad concept of money are our faith and the self. And so basically every structure that we have in the world depends on money in some capacity, right? Money is basically how as a very large group, we determine how we spend our time. It's how we get information signals about what's valuable to the rest of the world. And when the money is perverted like it is now, all of those signals are wrong. So the end result is that the incentives of those who print the money seep into society

rather than the incentives of those who earn and then should be allowed to spend that money. And I'll give you an interesting example here too because I've been doing this, this bit called Bitcoin Fixes Everything. And it's kind of about how these incentives trickle into the whole of the world and twist things, right? And so a friend of mine's mom asked me, because I was saying Bitcoin fixes everything, she's like, oh, yeah, how does, how does Bitcoin fix the fact that my brand new dishwasher doesn't really do a good job of washing my dishes?

And that you can kind of just, like most things, you can follow the incentives back a couple steps. And dishwashers are interesting because they're, they're one of the only things that's named for the only thing that it does, right? And so it makes your incentive as the person buying a dishwasher really clear. Right? Your incentive is you wanted to wash your dishes. And if it doesn't do that, it's not really following what what your incentives are with your purchasing power worth the dollars that you spend on the dishwasher. At the same time, the government is printing this money and they're spending

that money on things that follow their incentives. And so the government doesn't care whether your dishes are clean. The government cares about a couple things. They care about creating bureaucrats, creating more jobs for bureaucrats, and they care about following their sort of policy narratives. And so from the government's perspective, what they want is for your dishwasher to use less water and less power. But it turns out water is super useful for washing dishes. And so the government creates these ratings agencies that now have a say in what kind of dishwashers get made. And so, you know, on the one side, your purchasing power should be giving you a dishwasher that washes dishes but instead of that you're getting a dishwasher that uses less power and has a

sticker on it that's i can't believe you brought up dishwashers because i was just thinking to myself explained to me because i'm like my dishwasher which we just got sucks i'm like i have to wash the dishes before i put it in otherwise it doesn't get them clean and you just this is a direct result of the government printing money and distorting the incentives around the creation of dishwashers and you can go through our whole lives and pick things out like this. Everything, everywhere you go has a twisted incentive like this. This one I really like because it's so direct and easy to see. And everyone has pretty much experienced the fact that like the first dishwasher I got my, my, my family home in the 90s was great. Like it really lasted and lasted forever. And literally probably like you

could put whatever you want. Like I watched my mom put things in the dishwasher. I'm like, I can't do that anymore. You know, like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, no, I'm going to give it a rinse. She's like, why are you rinsing it? If you're rinsing it, then it isn't a dishwasher. I'm like, I know, I know, but I'm just going to do it. Okay. Yeah, and we would all probably prefer to buy a dishwasher with none of those government

stickers on it that costs less money and actually washes the dishes, even if it uses a bit more water. Well, I'd just like it to do its job. And his job is to wash dishes. Anyways, yeah, I think that's a really interesting, um, that's a really interesting example. You pulled up my annoyance this morning because I literally just turned it on. I'm like, stupid dishwasher.

Like it doesn't even dry them properly. I'm just like, I'm annoyed with it. It hasn't done one thing that it's supposed to do other than, I suppose, make them relatively clean. I mean, you know,

but I'm like, yeah. If you put your dishes in the dishwasher pretty clean, they will come out a bit cleaner. That's kind of what they do right now. And, yeah, I mean,

I mean, these examples like this are everywhere. Let me ask you, let me ask you something different, okay? Sure. What's the Bitcoiners thought on war? And the reason I bring that up specifically, obviously is probably relatively evident. You got things going on in the Middle East, but, you know, I've been staring at Russia, Ukraine now for like, it's got to be two years that Tom's been on. Alex has been on. We just did a series, you know, of interviews last week on, you know, basically, you know,

Russia gets attacked by the Ukraine. It's this coordinated attack. They hit their nuclear bombers and you're like, what is going on? This is wild. What's a Bitcoiners thought on how the world elites are pushing us towards a World War III at ever-increasing pace? It's like they don't care the fallout of what comes from people getting blasted with nuclear armaments. You know, like bombs going off everywhere. And everybody tried, you know, some people try and downplay it.

I'm like, I don't know how you can downplay this. They push the button. And like, we're in a completely different world, folks. And yeah, what's a Bitcoiner's thought on how war is playing out? So just like everything else, war is downstream from money. And so, you know, you can kind of look back at the history of war pre the invention of money printing. And you start to see that really money printing is what enabled this massive forever war that we've essentially been in. You know, we've pretty much been at war.

The whole world has been in some kind of war for most of the time since 1917 when the Federal Reserve was invented. And they really rack, just jacked up that, that scope of money printing. And so you've got that one fact, right? Like wars used to end when one country ran out of money. And that, that actually was part of the fall of the Roman Empire, was that they could no longer provide coins for all their legions. And they started to exercise essentially a form of money printing. They started to make smaller coins. And, you know, eventually the troops and the

colonies would no longer accept those coins. And so they were not able to pay for their, their own version of the Forever War. And so that's kind of the trap that we've gotten into here, where these elites can print the money for free. And so the actual cost to them to send people, to war is nothing, right? Like, it's not like they're spending their own money the way that a king would have been spending his money on his army 500 years ago. These globalists elites are spending our money to send us to war. And they've seen really since, you know, the Great Depression and the fact that World War II pulled us out of that Great Depression. They've used war as an economic stimulus. And at the same time, it's a way for them to siphon value away from the people, right? They go to war.

it's going to be a massive expense. It's the biggest emergency possible. And all the resources of society have to be turned to this thing that they say that we have to do to keep this magical concept of freedom alive. And, you know, if we don't print money, give that money to the military industrial complex and then send our people to die in a foreign country, then we're no longer going to be free. And so I think in a roundabout way, Bitcoin, and the removal of that money printing power from those elites is going to bring the concept of war back to back to reality in a sense that if they want to go to war,

they're going to have to pay for it. And Bitcoin doesn't remove the ability for governments to tax us, right? Like they can still show up and take your stuff. They can still show up and take your resources and they can still use violence to remove you from your resources. But it changes the logic around that, right? Right now they don't have to look us in the eyes when they want to steal that value from us,

they just have to flip the switch and turn on the money printer. And removing their ability to print that money will make it so that if they want a tax to spend, they're going to have to put it on the table. You know, they're going to have to put it right on your pay stub and say, yeah, we're taking 70%. We're taking 90%.

And that's like an educated guess of what I would say the government is taking in total right now of the resources that society creates is somewhere in the area of 70 to 90% 90% if you include all the taxes and all the money printing and all the user fees and everything that they do to generate wealth. And I think if people saw that and saw, hey, the government's taking this massive percentage of my paycheck, they would be a lot less likely to support a foreign war that they saw that they had to directly pay for. And yeah, I mean, I think we're on the flip side in this spot where the,

the impact of Bitcoin in this sort of global political power balance is kind of yet to be seen. And there's, there's very likely to be a rush at some point. As governments realize that the loss of their ability to print money to fuel war is permanently removed, they're going to start trying to accumulate Bitcoin to be able to, to, to afford to go to war for as long as possible. Because, you know, it's, it's something that's very obviously in the best interests of these people to send us to war. generate a lot of economic activity building tanks that they're just going to blow up and siphon that value away while playing their own power games on the global stage too. So yeah, I mean, in long term, Bitcoin, I think very radically changes the nature of war.

What are your thoughts on all? Like, I know you're obviously pro Bitcoin, but there's a ton of different cryptocurrencies out there. To anyone, do you just say, don't worry about the rest of them? Or do you see some interesting things coming through crypto where you're like, there's some things to pay attention to? So there's not really anything interesting among the other coins. They're all somewhere between a bad idea and a scam. And at the end of the day, they all kind of come down to one thing, and that's control.

And the thing that makes Bitcoin so novel and so valuable is the fact that there is no control. There's no one in charge of Bitcoin, whereas every other coin out there has someone in charge, right? And most of the people who founded these other coins have become billionaires. And whoever founded Bitcoin would be a would would have a hundred billion dollars worth of Bitcoin today. If they, uh, if they were still alive or still around, but we don't know who that is. And so, uh, the creator of Bitcoin leaving so early in the creation of the project really just removed any kind of social control that would have would have been held over the project. And so if the government wanted to force us to print more Bitcoin, there's nowhere for them to show up. There's no headquarters that they can go after.

There's no foundation running the thing that they can go after and say, you know, we're going to use our monopoly on violence to force you to print more Bitcoin. That's the part that's completely different compared to all these other coins. And so, yeah, I mean, a lot of the, a lot of the other coins are more like a symptom of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the disease and what it's caused to our markets where, um, and I've talked to a lot of people that are sort of in these kind of situations, you know, somebody who's 70 years old and has saved up three, four hundred thousand dollars for their retirement and has now realized

that's really not going to be enough because of the inflation, because the purchasing power that they have lost on their savings. And there's this feeling that that's really pervasive across society that you kind of almost have to be an investor to even keep up with inflation these days. And so people are investing in stocks that they don't really understand and investing with very little sort of due diligence or understanding of what they're getting into. And that's no different in the crypto space. This is a function of people just chasing gains that they've seen others have. And, you know, people make money trading crypto. People make money on these coins. But that's not because there's anything good underlying them. There are

no fundamentals that make them valuable because at the end of the day, they just have a group in charge. You can just decide to print more. So they're not scarce. They're not valuable. And really, you know, you can make money on those, but the odds are better on roulette. Made a bit of money on roulette. Yeah. I mean, if I'm being honest. Yeah. I mean, I know a few people who've, I'm up lifetime on roulette, but, uh, but I would not recommend it as good. I wouldn't I'm Believe me, the reason I'm up on roulette is because I don't play it all the time.

I literally, you know, threw 50 bucks down and, you know, head over the course of an hour. I'm like, holy crap, I'm up,

but it's time to leave. I'm probably the best, worst form of gambler out there. Casinos definitely, I'm not their mainstay. They're not, they're not attracting me. I went into,

I was just in Calgary, looking at venues for next year. And one of the ones I was touring was a Grey Eagle. and I didn't realize Grey Eagle you can smoke in there. And so, like, I haven't been drinking now. It's over six months. And I was sitting in there, I don't know, 9 o'clock on a Monday night. And I'm like sitting there and I'm like, holy crap.

Like, I got to get out of here. Like the amount of like smoke in that place. And I remember thinking that was cool once upon a time. Oh, that's so cool. You can sit and you could, you know, guys are smoking a cigarette or a cigar or, you know, they're vaping and everybody's just whatever. I came out of there and I'm like, I'm like, I'm almost high.

I'm like, this is, I can't do that. I can't sit and play blackjack with like somebody chain smoking right beside him. My head was just throbbing. I'm like, anyways,

that's complete side story. Yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the crypto traders sitting there popping zins. Is that the crypto trader version is zins? Yeah, or, or vapes, I assume. Okay,

well, I tell you what, is there any final thoughts you have before I let you out of here, Bitcoin Rodeo coming up, at the end of June, way to go get tickets, folks, Bitcoin rodeo.com. Is there anything we haven't cost? Like, I mean, I don't want to kick you out, because I enjoy talking to Dave, but if there's nothing else, I, I'm like, okay,

well, I'm looking forward to run into a few different people. Is there anyone, you had JP Sears last year. Is there any headliner this year coming in that you can announce? We don't have a headliner like that per se, but we have some really awesome, uh, speakers especially from the Bitcoin space. And the one panel that I'm the most excited for, we've got my good friend, founder of my co-founder at Bill Bitcoin, Francis Puglia is coming to speak on that panel. We've got a guy named Eric Kaysan, who wrote a book called Crypto Sovereignty,

a very well-known bitcorner, and another guy coming all the way from Sweden, Newt's fan home. And those three guys on that panel are probably, like three of the only people that I know who hate the government more than I do. And it's going to be moderated by another friend of mine, Nolan Bowerley, who we have a weekly podcast with a bunch of Bitcorners called The Breakdown on on Rumble that we talk about Canadian politics and, you know, everything like that from a Bitcoiners perspective.

He's going to be moderating that one. And the topic of the panel is basically, does the state have the right to exist? like does the government have the right to do what they do do they have the right to tax us um i didn't opt into this i didn't sign up for their ability to tax me and uh i don't know anybody who did and the the concept of citizenship going back to its invention at the magna carter was supposed to be an opt-in and we're now no longer in that situation and so we're we're taking some hard looks at things like that and i think that one is going to be just like absolute fireworks so that's it you know you know when you when you're

putting together a conference, right? I always go to hockey. I always think it's like putting together Team Canada. And you're sitting there and you're, you know, you're Wayne Grexkey back in the day and you're like, oh, I could put,

I could put Mario over here. I could put, you know, this guy over there. Where am I going to put all these people? And, but I feel, you know,

when you're putting together, it's like, oh, this should be, you know, that's going to be a fun group. And when you can do that multiple times, you're like, this is going to be fun.

Like, people are going to have fun here. If nothing else, there's going to be some electricity on the on the stage so that's cool because one of the things i enjoy about going to another person's conference is if i know everybody it's not that i'm not going to enjoy it i'm like i just want to hear a new thought i just want to go in and it doesn't mean i don't want to hear um you know somebody i've heard six times they can be a phenomenal speaker jordan peterson right i've heard them

i've seen them live now like four times it's fantastic speaker but at some point i just want to hear some random person from sweden as you pointed out and i'm like i wonder what they're going to say That's going to be. Hmm. And I find when I'm going to somebody else's conference, if there's like 15 people, I don't know, I'm like, that's going to be fun. Because they could all suck. That's, that's a possibility.

Or they could all be electric. And as a podcaster, I'm like, this could be fun because I might not know a single soul there, which is like huge opportunity to be like, who is that? I want to sit with that person. Yeah. Um, Newt would be a guy who would be great to get on your show if we can work it out while he's here too. He's one of my favorite people.

He's awesome. He's a great speaker and does not, does not care. He does not hold back what he's going to say. So he's a very interesting guy. Well, and coming from over there, he's going to have some interesting perspectives on, you know, because a lot of us in COVID looked at Sweden and went, look at them. You're doing it right. Did you just do it?

And it'd be interesting to see what he says because they're also the country right now that is offering, I think it's 32,000 euros to recent immigrants to go back home. Yeah. Right. So you think about where Sweden's at now. Interesting. Even more. Even more than Albertans would save in an independent Alberta. Yeah.

Something you said there made me come up with a good parting thought here to sort of steal man the argument for Alberta staying in Canada. you mentioned Team Canada. And that is the, that's the single best argument that I've heard for Alberta staying in Canada because realistically, if we leave Canada and we're an independent nation, it's going to take us a decade probably of, you know,

properly funding our hockey systems, which we'd be in a really good position to do for not paying the federal government, but it will be very difficult for Team Alberta to compete on the world stage. And so you should vote for Alberta to remain in Canada if the hockey team is worth more to you than $25,000 a year and your personal freedom. Believe me, when I went down this road, Dave, I'm like, this means Canada is going to lose Alberta for. And here's the thing, you go, it'll take us a while to get to the world stage.

I disagree. I disagree. I think we'll be there, like, almost immediately. I think there's enough good hockey players in Alberta to be like, to be legit. Now, can we win against the rest of Canada? Okay, that might be pushing a bit. But I think, you know, like to can we beat Switzerland? Yeah, I think we can beat Switzerland.

I think, you know, I think almost any province here in Canada, if they went alone, would be, would be a force to be reckoned with. That's my thoughts, quickly. Now, on the whole of Team Canada, that is one of the, you know, and people can't, talk about bread and circuses. I always get, um, they always try and rattle me with Sean. It's just bread and circuses. It's like, I'm a hockey player. I grew up in this culture. I, one of the proudest moments I have is a Canadian because I didn't go fighting any wars. So, you know, with Jim Sinclair and Willie who were in, you know, they talk about that. I don't have that. What I have is fond memories of watching my favorite hockey players get together, wear the Maple Leaf,

and go beat the crap out of other teams. And when, win the gold medal. Those are like some of the happiest moments I have as a Canadian. That's a really sad thing to say all at the same time, right? Because the rest of the time, we're changing the national anthem. We're taking things out that I respect and understand why they're there. We're constantly doing things culturally that do not in any way have my values associated in them. And so like when I think about the saddest thing of Alberta became its own country. Just boom, it's done.

Tomorrow you press the button, easy, done. Mike, how do we get our Alberta hockey players to still be part of Team Canada? Because I would still probably, I'd be in Albertan, but I'd still be rooting for Team Canada. It's a sad thing to say. So the thing we have to do, Dave,

is Saskatchewan's going to come with us and probably Manitoba and then eventually BC and we could have Western Canada and we'd probably be, think of the dub versus the OHL and the Q. I'm like, I'll take our chances. I'll take our chances. So I think there's a long play out for us to still have Western Canada hockey go on

the world stage. So you know what I think will probably happen is because we're going to have this compounding effect as an independent nation where if those numbers that I am talking about are even remotely accurate, you know, if the average Albertan starts saving $25,000 a year that was otherwise being spent on pylons in Montreal, that gets spent in our economy. and that will have a massive compounding effect to everything going on here. You know, we're taught, one of the only things we're taught in school about finances is the so-called magic of compound interest. And they tell you that if you put, you know, $250 a week at 4% into a GIC for 20 years, you're going to be a millionaire, whatever the numbers are.

But that works in reverse, too. So when they're stealing this $17,000 to $25,000 a year from us, this is something that Albertans are not reinanourner. investing in our businesses. It's not something that we're spending at our neighbor's businesses. And the wealth creation that would have happened from the snowball effect of all that money being recirculated into the economy is lost. And so when we get back to that point, we will not only be in a position where the public coffers will be much more full because we'll have a capitalist society where we can develop our resources and actually bring them to market and grow our economy me that way, but all of our other industries will be boosted as well.

And so the inevitable outcome of that will be there'll be a lot more money, whether it's public money or private money going into things like things that matter to us, like hockey development. And I don't even think we need to include all those problems is because what will end up happening is the best hockey players will end up moving here. I was going to say, actually, what we'll attract is the people you want that are outspoken and don't trust government and are the go geters, the entrepreneurs on and on and on and on. I'm like, they'll all come. You build it, Dave. They'll come. And then you watch out

Team Alberta and maybe, you know, I'm born and raised Saskatchewan, right? Like, Saskatchew will follow, you know, then you just call yourself, you know, what is it going to be? It's going to be Western Canada? What are we going to call ourselves, folks? But you look at that hockey team. I'm like, I'd take that any day of the week and we could all get behind those hockey players. You know, the prairies, who, man, there's been some fun hockey players come out of, uh, um out of the prairies yeah wow hmm that's a good thought too it would take a few years though it would yeah and you know as a canadian it's a sad thought to think but uh when you're talking about you know if it was an extra as a family if you got an extra 20 grand a year i'm like like think about

that think about that for a couple seconds folks that's it's a lot of money i mean to most people that like the holes everybody's digging themselves into or trying to dig themselves out of of you go over the course of 10 years and you could be anywhere between 200,000 to 500,000 dollars more in your pocket. What are we waiting for? Honestly, like what are we waiting for? Yeah, the hockey team's not enough to keep us here. No, no, we'll find a way, we'll find a way to beat the pesky Russians in a different way, you know? Yeah. Or the US, I guess. Dave, I've appreciated this. Look forward to seeing you here soon enough. Yeah. We'll see you in a couple weeks.

All right. Until then. Take care.