Shaun Newman Podcast - #879 - Adam O’Brien

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

Adam O'Brien is the founder, CEO, president, and director of Bitcoin Well, a publicly traded, non-custodial Bitcoin platform based in Canada, launched in 2013 as Bitcoin Solutions. He started with Alberta’s first Bitcoin ATM in 2014 and expanded to a coast-to-coast network of over 180 ATMs, emphasizing self-custody for users. O'Brien, based in Edmonton, Alberta, is a vocal advocate for Bitcoin’s role in financial independence, education, and decentralization.To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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All right. Let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is the founder, CEO, and president of Bitcoin Well. I'm talking about Adam O'Brien. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm sitting with Adam O'Brien.

So, sir, thanks for making. the trip to Lloyd Minster. Dude, it was great. I had a couple phone calls, was just blasting on the highway. That, like, one straight shot to get here. I was able to cruise a little bit. So, yeah, it was a, it's a pleasure to be here.

It's a great plot. Yeah, well, I mean, for me, I do a lot of things virtually. I think that's just the way of the world now. And in podcasting, unless you have a huge budget to fly in, whoever, you know, you rely on the online portion. I can't harass it because it's really built what I've done.

allowed me guests that would have never had. But there is something special about having somebody sit across from you in a studio setting. And I really appreciate when people make the effort to come, you know, like Lloyd isn't the center of the universe. It's great here. Well, the crazy thing is. It is good here. You do the drive from Evanton to Lloyd, and I was saying even before we started, right?

There's something cool about that stretch of highway because it's so, like, just calm. It's peaceful. There isn't 500 VIII. vehicles surrounding you the entire time. You probably got three, you know, and then you pass them, and then you have a stretch where there's nobody around you. Yeah. And you can almost daydream or take calls or think because it is an open stretch of road. And there just isn't a ton of traffic, which is, you know, driving to Calgary. I got to go back to Calgary next week. And, you know, the first two hours is great. And then I hit the Henn day. And from that point on, it's just like you're

surrounded by vehicles and you've got to have your head on, you know, you've got to be in the game of Or there's like there's also there's backups and it's crazy to me that it's you know it's a double lane highway the whole way here. And then you go to Calgary, it's pretty much double lane highway the whole way out there too. But there's like a hundred X more of the vehicles. So it's definitely no, I thought it was a great drive and passed by kind of halfway as Mundair from where I am. I'm in sure of parks. I'm actually like pretty close to here. Oh yeah.

And Mondare's got a great golf course. So I can even see coming back maybe a little bit stop, play some golf on the way or maybe on the way home. Play some golf. Maybe want to meet there. That's it. So, no, it's great to be here and really appreciate you having me out. Yeah, well, okay. Well, your first time on the podcast, you know, and the audience knows exactly where I'm leading.

But, like, I treat it like, you know, a big comic book fan. And I, I'm a DC guy over Marvel. But I love how. Do you still have an audience? Is that, how does that work? Are you Marvel guy? I'm actually neither. I'm not much of a, I know both.

I appreciate both. I think I'm probably easily entertained. And so, like, my favorite movie probably is, like, the Dark Knight, which is, I don't know. See, we can be friends. Yeah. But would you call that still a, like, that's a D.C. character. But the Dark Night is that technically a D.C. product, would you say? Yeah, it is.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, I mean, they took from the stories of D.C., which is Batman. Yeah. Or Batman's one of the characters in the DC world. And Christopher Nolan did the greatest, to this point, series of a superhero that's ever been done. time go but but instead you know the the fan of me wants him to do then superman and and bring that into the world and bring and build out and uh the thing with christopher nolan is it was never meant to be that no right and so it's tough because i watched what marvel did and the reason why i leaned

to marvel is they took a series of characters that you know are good but i wouldn't is anyone like championing ant man right and yet they gave him standalone films and what that did was by the time you got to the culmination of them all being on the screen, you didn't have to explain who the heck they were. And I've taken the same thought process in podcasting as like it's the first time on the show. And you may have done 5,000 and maybe somebody is listened to everyone and doesn't need to know who Adam is. But sitting here, knowing my audience, they certainly do. And I do as well.

I want to kind of get into who Adam is and what led them to where you're sitting at now. And so, you know, like tell us a bit about yourself. Tell the audience about, you know, a little bit about yourself. Yeah, man. I mean, hey, if someone out there is listening to, all of my podcasts they've been on. Please DM me because I want, I want your picture.

That would be amazing. But not, man. I mean, I'm an Edmontonian guy. Sorry for that. Yeah, hey, man. It's been a rough week with the Oilers just getting absolutely pummeled. You're probably an Oilers fan, though, I would expect. You can't be a Flames fan, are you?

No, I'm a die-hired Oilers fan. Yeah, okay. But I wanted to- see, we're getting along with just, just here. I wanted to hate the Florida Panthers, except I really, I really respect Paul Maurice. Yeah. Right?

So right away, I'm like, man, I really like the coach. And then when he talks so highly of that team and you watch him play, it's like, it's hard to, I want the Oilers to win. I wanted them. The Panthers were a better team. There was no question about it. They deserved.

If the others won, I would almost feel like there's an asterisk on it. Like, it would have been an enormous amount of puck luck or something went horribly, catastrophically wrong. And the story would have been, uh, the Oilers won, but the Panthers were the better team. And I think it'll be our year soon, but it certainly wasn't this year.

Yeah, they were, they ran up against. Oh, I mean, it's funny. though, everyone forgets how dominant the Oilers were, minus the first three games at L.A. After the first three games at L.A., they were all worried about Ackholm. And I was, I was like, how are they going to? And then the defense played phenomenal.

Pickard came in, played phenomenal. Then gets hurt. Skinner played phenomenal. So you can sit and rag on any one of them. But for three series, they were a dominant force. And they just ran into a very good, exceptional. And it seemingly had no gas. Like they couldn't put two,

passes together. They, I mean, like, we lost the last game, well, I think the last two games, we had hardly any offense at all. We were 0 for three on the power. Like, it just, it just wasn't, we just had no gas, but. Well, Hyman getting hurt.

I didn't think that would, I didn't think that would, you know, if I would have said, if one person, other than McDavid and Drysettle was to get hurt, I would have thought at home, not being in the lineup would have been a bigger hole than Hyman.

But you saw Hyman was a big hole. The way he plays the game, the way he gets in there, and the fact he can score and everything else. It was bigger, like, that hurt more than, I guess, I gave it credit when it happened, you know. And, well, I just hope they can get back, right? As a hockey player, I know you go, oh, we'll be back.

And I'm like, well, every other team is going to get better. And the Oilers are, you know, you make it back to back years. I mean, look at maybe the Dallas stars. They made it there once. And they haven't been able to find their way back. Why? Because the Hamilton Oilers are there. And next year, it could be the call.

Colorado Avalanche or it could be the Winnipeg Jets or it could be, heck, it could be the L.A. Kings, because I feel like if you're the L.A. Kings, you're like, give us anybody but the Eminton Oilers. Yeah, and we'll blast through them. And we'll blast through them. Like, they're probably hoping they finish low enough, a wild card season. They just go to the other side and play some different teams because they run in the Oilers and they solve Skinner every year and the Oilers still find a way to beat them. And the L.A. Kings are, like, if I wasn't cheering for the Ours, I could cheer for the L.A. Kings. The way they play hockey is fun to watch. they got some guys that can just put the puck in that.

Like, Kempay comes in. Oh, my God. Like, I'm like, come on, Oilers. Find a way to get that guy at L.A. That'd be fun to have. Yeah, man, that'd be crazy. But no, you're not wrong. I think it's, and that's kind of the cool thing about,

I think, you mean, Betman said it and Love them or Hatham, it is the hardest trophy to win. And the fact that Panthers has done it twice. And been there three years in a row. And both times they won against the Oilers, I feel like there's got to be some kind of animosity brewing in, you know, like the Connor, Leon and probably Bouchard trio that's going to probably lead

this dynasty, I think we're in for a pretty fun decade of hockey coming out of Edmonton. I hope you're right. I hope you're right. I really hope you're right because of the hockey fan of me, well, I, there's only one team I can cheer with, like, my entire being. Right. Because it's so stressful and it just, I'm like, why am I so caught up in a sport? It drives me nuts. I know. I can't do it for the Toronto Blue Jays or take your pick of an M. B team or a football team or on and on and on. I got one team. I cheer for them. And when playoffs come on,

my kids get into it. It's a ton of fun. And it's just heartbreak when they don't win. And we've been there three times in my life. Like, obviously when I was really young, we won the cup lots and we had Grexki and all them. I just don't remember any of that. My years of watching were the 90s, which was tough.

And then we got there in 06. And that was the, honestly, that might have been the funnest Oiler team to watch. They were just gritty. and then Rollsson gets hurt and we lose in seven and you're like, you lose in seven and then you go down 3 O against Florida

you come all the way back you lose in seven you're like come on and then we lose in six it's like at some point you know hopefully you get there you got the two arguably two of the best players in the world

the best player in the world and yeah I don't know yeah I'm a die-hard oiler fan we're both commemorating our misery here yes yes sorry no it's good man so you're an Emintonianian over the last 10 years

I would say I'm 32 right now. And I guess probably for my entire life, I've been pretty contrarian. Always had maybe a problem with authority. That was probably one of my, one of my, if you thought about Adam as a kid, it was definitely like always asked why, always had a loophole and always tried to try to find the, trying to find the path that served me better, not serving kind of whoever the authority figure was. And so luckily I was also quite charismatic and charming.

And so my teachers and I always had a love-hate relationship. One of my, one of my best friends growing up, her mom was actually our, like, math teacher and teacher for the, kind of like the trouble years, like when I was 10 to 14 kind of area. And so she'd, like, boot me from class. Like, I'd have all these problems. And then I'd be on her house, you know, for dinner that night or whatever. And she was great because she always was, she was able to turn it on and off. But anyways, always kind of had this, you know, problem with authority.

And then, yeah, I kind of found Bitcoin when I was young. I was, it would have been 19 or 20 years old, found Bitcoin, tried to be the hero to disprove it. And of course, when you, you know, when you try to disprove Bitcoin, you either are able to humble yourself and learn that there is no disproving Bitcoin, or you're able to realize that this is the greatest invention that man's ever made. And you're able to, like, lean into it. And so luckily for me, I was young enough and, and, you know, crazy enough to want to lean into it. and which has really helped me. I think Bitcoin has single-handedly shaped my worldview more than any other, you know, instruction, technology,

or even ideology. Recently, funny enough, I'd say Bitcoin has drawn me closer to a relationship with God, which was not a path that I expected, but is one that I'm definitely on. And I would say now Jesus probably shapes my worldview more than Bitcoin, but Bitcoin, and it could have been my age, could have been all this stuff, But Bitcoin certainly set me off on this trajectory of like first principle thinking and really understanding why the world works the way it does.

And then Bitcoin is for a large part of our problems kind of the answer. And so it's been a really cool journey over the last 10, 12 years since I've been in Bitcoin to kind of lean more into the freedom community, lean more into, you know, why being, you know, guarded or why these all these regulations maybe don't, quite work on the long like if you play anything out to the extreme regulations just never really help anybody on the long term kind of this concept of a high and a low time preference and yeah it's been a it's been a crazy journey kind of to get here i now understand why shout out to toby for pushing me on this and i understand why she's uh she's like you two are almost identical now obviously i'm i'm not the the bitcoin i don't i you know this because you help walk me through yes sir like setting up a thing and i'm like

Like, I don't, I don't get that, you know, I'm, I'm not that much older than you. But you did well. Like, you know, you're, uh, you're into it. You're okay. Well, I'm, I'm working on it. Right. Right. I'm working on it.

But I want to understand it. I want to understand a whole bunch of the world. You know, it's funny that you, you might be the first bitcoiner that has told me that Bitcoin, and I forgive my, me audience, because maybe there's a few of you that have said the same thing. I just might be thinking of on the podcast where a bit coiner has said, Bitcoin has actually led me to God. That's an interesting.

That's an interesting thing to say because I would, I would argue the podcast has loved me to God, right? Cool. So like the journey. Maybe it's freedom that actually leads you to God. Maybe that's the Venn diagram. There's like there's Bitcoin, which is freedom. There's, you know, your podcast,

which is heavily heavily freedom focused. And the Venn diagram there is God, which would be an interesting kind of thought experiment. Well, I don't know. I would probably argue Bitcoin. you start to see how the world isn't working. And then the longer you dig into that, you get to where you just,

you're confronted with the truth that you have to wrestle with. And in podcasting, the more people I talk to, the more screwed up the world becomes. And you think the people that have the answers or the institutions that are saying they have the answers, you start watching them and you're like, wait a second. That doesn't make any sense.

And then you get confronted with the things that can't be. be seen and you're like well how do you make sense of that and i don't know if that's for certainly freedom's in there i just i think the the avenue of bitcoin would show you i don't want to put words in your mouth but i would think it would show you a bunch of the ways the world is really screwed up and the more you start to stare at it they're like they have to know that so why are they doing that yeah that's probably actually um the the relationship or like kind of the term that i've come to in my head is, you know, the leaders, the people, like the they that you kind of are speaking about

here. I was having this discussion with my friend a few months ago. It's like they're either evil or dumb. And there's no real, like, it is so obvious that the things that we do, the actions that we, they take don't work. And it is so painfully obvious at this point, you know, 50 years off of the sound money gold standard, you know, all the climate nonsense over the last quarter century. it is so painstakingly obvious that is false it is a clear falsity and the fact that they're not renegging and shifting direction at this point is has to be evil or dumb and um i don't think they're dumb so it's like it's got to be evil or at least malintented i think it can actually be both interesting yeah um i think dumb gets promoted

And I have on the podcast tons of like sharp people who have been removed from their world because they wouldn't go along to get along. Like they're just saying, why? And the audience can remember Rebecca Coughlin and Alex Craneer on and us pointing that out to her, right? She's not the only one who speaks out about a certain subject who then gets removed. And why do the others get promoted? Right. Well, that can be definitely evil up at the top promoting that. and it can be, you know, like...

Dumb in the middle. Dumb in the middle. Yeah, or incompetence. Evil with an insulation of dumb. Yeah, I don't know. I think so. I think both can be really true at the same time. Now, I'm not going to forget today.

So, anyone who comes in the studio gets a... Now, this is funny to give it to a Bitcoin, but this is fun. It gets a silver coin. Wow. Here you go, sir. Well, thank you, Matt. So, I don't know if you know this, but Silver Gold Bowl. This is a new one.

You got King Charles on here. I got King Charles on. Okay, wow. So Silver Gold Bull is one of my major sponsors of the podcast. So anyone who comes in studio, we give them a silver coin. And so, you know, like to you, you know, like I'd be curious your thoughts on silver, but I mean, obviously you're heavily into Bitcoin. And that stares at the financial world.

And, you know, like silver and gold was something that I knew very little about when I started this podcast in 2019. And over the course of lots of conversations, I've started to learn more about it. I've certainly started to learn more about Bitcoin. I see lots of similarities in the two of them, or precious metals, I should say. And it's cool to see those communities kind of interact, because I know at times you can be isolationist of like, it's our way or the highway. And I always laugh because I talk to so many of both sides. I'm like, you guys all are very similar.

You realize this. Yeah, and we both want the same things too, which I find is so interesting. Personally, I'm a fan of precious metals. I think that the tangibility of precious metals are great. I've owned plenty of silver in the past. I've owned gold in the past. I think the key difference, though, between a silver and a Bitcoin is the known scarcity is absolutely like Bitcoin, you know without a question, how much is in circulation at any point in time, and you know how much will be in circulation at any given moment in the future,

which is something you just can't have with the physicality of silver. We have no clue who's sitting on what silver, which mines have or haven't been announced, how much is even in the mines that we're actively harvesting from. And so I think the known scarcity, Bitcoin is really the only known scarce asset on the planet. There's no other, even oil. We don't really know how much oil exists. We're told how much oil. We're told, but that's obviously a lie.

Yeah. You know, it's the actual fact is that oil is likely renewable and that oil is kind of abundant and way more abundant than what we're being told is probably is the actual, you know, probability of things I would say. But gold is the same thing. Diamonds are now provably not scarce. And that whole, is it De Beers or DeBoers. I think it's De Beers is the name. They were like guarding the supply of diamonds and then to make them scarce. To make them scarce.

You know, false scarcity. And then hilariously, you know, now that scam is. up. And so what do we do? Well, we migrate to lab-made diamonds and we're pushing those at a discount, you know, trying to create some other kind of artificial scarcity around this, you know, precious stone. And so I think that, you know, Bitcoin, for lack of a better term, solves what gold, silver, precious metals largely, physical assets will say kind of just can't, which is that, that undeniable certainty in the scarcity. And then obviously the divisibility. and all this stuff.

There are secondary natures in my perspective. But just being able to be certain and not have to trust one person to tell me how much exists is very special. And something that only Bitcoin can do. Well, when you bring up anything but Bitcoin, I think, maybe my audience,

maybe you can tell me different. I don't think there is a controlling institution, country set of people that, can dictate the supply of Bitcoin or can, you know, or tell us stories. Like that's what you're, I think, explaining, right? Like, and what's the problem with anything else? And we always point to Fiat is like, Fiat, you want more I learn about it.

I'm just like, what a headache, you know? Evil or dumb, man. Yeah, like you just, oh, we're just going to keep printing money. Well, you know, that means today the $20 I have sitting on the table over there and a day or a year is going to be worth just a smidge less. Well, even I found it funny that this even says, I think it says five, yeah, $5, 2025 on here. This is more one ounce of silver. Isn't it close to 30 or?

No, it's, well, Canadian, it's 40. Okay. Two? So, like, this, as far as the government's concerned, this is worth $5. And this was printed this year. Like, this is not some ancient, oh, look how much. So even just, you know, you can track kind of the real-time inflation of money based on what the government thinks silver dollars are worth or tells you silver dollars are worth compared to what the raw infrastructure of that dollar is worth. And it is, yeah, it shows us that the government is horribly out of touch with the money.

And that doesn't surprise anyone probably listening to the show. It doesn't surprise anyone who already knows this. But when you start to really think about how corrupt and how. and how rude that is, you think about money and money at the base level is just your time. And it's the value that you get to create with your time. But we somehow put money into a separate category from time. But you and I spend an hour on a podcast. We spend an hour mowing our, you know, tending to our garden or, you know, building a house or whatever it might be.

And our output of the time spent is what the value of that time was. And so we all do it maybe without understanding, spending time in order to receive value. And of course, you know, unless I want to pay for an hour of podcast, I need some other way to do to, to like, provide value to you. And so we use money as this intermediary. But the money is the representation of time. And it comes closer and closer to slavery in my head when you realize the government can print money, but money is representation of my time. therefore the government gets to devalue my time. And that is such a corrupt.

Not only devalue it, but then tax it. Totally. Right? Totally. And then steal it. So they get to devalue it. They get you on both sides. Both sides of the coin, they get you.

And then, and this is where I mean, as I've been diving into more money and Bitcoin, you know, not to like, I'm not going to Bible thump on here, but like when you look at how God decreed money to Moses, this is right in the Bible. It straight up says you have to have equal. weights when you're when you're valuing money equal weights means my dollar is the same as your dollar is the same as the king's dollar and so we all have to have equal weights well we know that we don't because the government has the ultimate weight where they get to pick and choose how much things are worth but then it says and this is the craziest thing it's literally in the bible the lord detests those

who do not play with equal weights like straight up god doesn't like when people cheat God doesn't like when people steal. God doesn't like the fact that someone, some thing, some entity, some government is devaluing your time. And I think that's a it's a very telling spot that we're in in the world where we have been so brainwashed to think that, oh, if we don't have inflation, the world would stop. You know, we won't have innovation. And I can see the logical argument, but it falls off. so fast when you realize that people have to spend to live. Because if we don't spend the value we make, we die.

And so the economy will always move. And the free market dictates that the value will always flow to the best proposition. And so when you have those two things in balance, everything's just like, it's amazing. But the problem is we have this unnatural force in the middle that gets to decree the money, gets to just decide what money is worth and, you know, inject a bunch of new ones because of some health, you know, crisis because of some war that's, you know, about to happen because of some famine that may or may not exist. Like, we just get the government that at the stroke of a pen gets to decide how much money exists. Because the planet's going to end in 2030?

Well, of course. Wasn't it 2020 or 2012? What was the first one? When I was in high school, it was like the buying calendar. The buying calendar. That was it. It said it was going to end in 2012. Yeah. In 2000, they thought all the Y2K. And isn't it interesting listening to the sovereign, have you listened to the sovereign individual? A bunch of the PayPal Mafia got together in 1998 and wrote The Sovereign Individual, which is a book kind of predicting the information age. So they kind of go through the three, now four categories of humanity, where you've got kind of like the hunter-gatherer into like the agriculture, into the industrial,

and then now the information age. And they talk about all the things. And they like, dude, they're bang on. They talk about the climate. They talk about the bank, the CBDCs. Like they talk about the money and how it's all going to get captured and how government's going to bloat and all this stuff. But they talk about Y2K and they get it horribly wrong. They're like, they're, I wouldn't say they're scared, but they're definitely not sure how it's going to, how it's going to happen.

So it is interesting to hear from the historical. Obviously, we know 25 years later that Y2K was a non-issue. Well, and in fairness, I've talked to lots of business people who back then they sunk a ton of money into trying to basically insulate their business from what they were being told was going to happen, right? Some snakewell salesman came by a hundred percent. Well, isn't that what it, isn't that what it was? Yeah.

Right? Like your watch is going to stop working? I mean, what? You know, it's like it can't figure out how to tick to the next thing. It's a wild idea that got socially accepted. I mean, like, I remember being as a kid thinking like, as we were watching the ball drop that year, this was it. Yeah.

Like, what do, you know, it's a, beam me up. Yeah. We did it, we did a time capsule as a family that year. Actually, so did we. I think that was, I was, I was eight, eight or nine when, like, Y2K was happening. We did a time capsule and we went to my, my aunt's cabin, and we were all, like, at the cabin. Like, that's my parents. And after, I didn't know that at the time, but afterwards, they were like, all right, if it's going to go down, we're going to be with the family and we're going to be hanging out.

Yeah, right. I mean, what have. I mean, but you see how they can construct ideas that get absolutely, I mean, we just, you know, and now that I'm like paying attention, I mean, our last election, elbows up, create an enemy. And, you know, and you just watch it take over an entire country. Like, this is wild to watch, you know? Like, I'm sure if I would have been paying attention back then, I would have saw it and been like, this is stupid. Yeah.

But I wasn't, you know, I was a part of the machine, so to speak. And it was just, you know, like a non-player character almost, right? I was just watching it go on and being like, this could be the end. Right. You know, mine calendar, this could be the end. It's like, but if you take a rational step back from here, the heck are we talking? Well, and that rationality, though, is probably what's losing, where what's missing in the world is that we are so used to being fed our school system, our education system. I think the majority of the world is so busy trying to play catch up from the Fiat disease that we don't have that first principle instillment.

into the world anymore. That's that's one thing. I've got four kids, ages eight, seven, five and three. And so we're right in the thick of it. And you had kids young.

Yeah, yeah. My wife and I, we got married and then two years later started having kids. And I'm, I'm so thankful that we started young

because we have, now the discussion is not, it's like second batch discussion. You know, do we have four more? Because she's still, my wife is just barely 30. And so we've got it some time still

on her, on her, like, you know, you know how cool that is to hear? Because most people, well, and I'm, you know, if we could have more kids, which we can't, my wife laughs at me all the time because, you know, at one, I was done. Right. And then you get six months past it.

And then we had her second and I was really done. And then it's funny after like a year, it took a little longer after the second, but we'd had them 14 months apart. So that was, you know, hold on for dear life. And then we had Casey, our third. And it's funny now, I'm like, I'd probably have five. Honestly, I don't know if I would have, you know, everyone talks. about the cost of living. And I'm like, yeah, but in the house, having a full house just is so much fun.

It's electric man. Don't get me wrong. There's days where you're like pulling your hair. Like, what is going on? Yeah. It's a difficult job. But it's so rewarding. It's so cool to be around.

It's one of those things. My wife and I had this very intentional conversation probably around a year ago now where we, life was hard, very hard. And we were, you know, I was, I was working a time. kind of in the thick of it with the business getting some stuff done. We had two kids at home, two in school, you know, hockey, I'm coaching, like girls and dance. Like it was just madness. And we just sat down and we said, okay, what do the next 10 years look like?

Like, let's just hash this out and see what we want. And what came out of that was not what I expected. We changed nothing except for our mindset. And we just started to accept that the difficulty in the, moment was akin to like your muscles hurting was akin to you know a a reward on the other side of the difficulty I suppose and we both decided in that moment we didn't actually want an easy life and I don't think her and I recognized how much we were maybe yearning for an easy life that we didn't actually want we then decided you know what we want to do the hard thing we want to do

the difficult thing as long as we can back into you know is it going to be rewarding like to your point. Like we don't want to do, we're not going to go, I'm not going to walk home from Lloyd Minster because just because it's hard. Like that would be dumb. It wouldn't be very rewarding. And then two, like bringing God into the conversation. Is this biblical?

Is this something that we want? That we're striving for is it's a good thing. And then the third thing is it going to set our kids up for success like over 25 years, 30 years from now. And overarchingly, nothing really has changed too much. In fact, we're probably making more difficult decisions now than we were even back then. but our mindset is just changed and having that intention going into things has been a complete game changer for us yeah that's um i i uh oh man Toby you were banging on okay fair enough you win all right you win this is now the adam o'brien podcast yeah that's right well it's it's funny um because you know

like people like we have kids in hockey i coach we have kids in baseball i coach yeah uh my sons and soccer my wife coaches right like and so we're there's times where we're ships passing in the night where you don't even see each other because you're going so hard and you know we um we're getting ready for uh uh as we record this we're getting ready to leave for a month we leave you know one of the cool things about being a podcaster which you know i maybe i thought about it back then but you know now having it it's such you know like i'm i don't know what the future holds for the next year maybe maybe the podcast blows up. All the money just dissipates.

I get, you know, whatever. And I have to go back to work in a real job, a regular job, you know, where you punch the time clock. And if that happens, I'll accept it and carry on with life. And I'm not going to worry too much about it. But one of the blessings of podcasting is we get to leave my wife's school teacher. So we get to leave for a month and go home to Minnesota where she's from. And most people don't get that. And I'm very fortunate to have that where we get to saddle up for a month and off we go.

And I can work from the road if I need to. And one of the things we do on those is we set, we, we, we, I don't know if my wife enjoys doing it or not. But I really, it's been really important to me to set goals and they'll be like, where do we want to be in here? And one of the things I was just talking about with a good friend, Ken, shout out to Kenny, was, you know, like watching world leaders, some focus on four years because that's, term. Others focus on maybe a little less, maybe a little more. And then you see different civilizations focus on to like a hundred years. You're like, how do you get your mindset in that? Well, setting goals and just having the thought process of like, what do we want the next 10 years to look like? Like, do we want to just draw back in and not do any of that? Well, no, we wouldn't want that.

Oh, okay. Well, then what are we complaining about? It's a really, it's changing, you already said it, it's changing the mindset. And you can do that by just having a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, you can do that. a little bit of a discussion. I'm like, where do we want to be in a year? Where do we want to be in 10 years? 10 years a long time. You just, you hop into it. I'll be closing in on 50.

Yeah. And it's like, okay, where do I want to be? Where do we want to, where do we want to? If you start with the end in mind, then you can start directing your efforts that way. And now racing around with your head chopped off, chasing children is just part of it. And at some point, the old timers tell me over and over again, enjoy it. Because when it's gone, you're going to miss it. Yeah.

And you're not going to know. to do with all the free time when you get there, right? And you're going to probably try and find things to add in, so just enjoy it. And once you accept that, it's like, well, it's a busy week, but I don't know if I would change anything because that's what I like about it. You know, my kids are in sports, they're in activities, and I want to give them everything I possibly can and be around them, I might add, because doing this job and them being in school, I don't get to be around them a ton.

So the sports and different activities is when I actually get to interact with them a ton, which is a ton of fun. Yeah, man. I think, too, having the filters to make decisions, decisions became so much easier once we had kind of these like family missions. The framework. The framework, exactly. Simon Seneca frames it so well in his book, start with why.

He talks about how if you don't have a filter, every kind of decision is just excruciating. You know, go to the store and get some food. It's like, well, am I getting cookies? Am I getting broccoli? Am I getting steak? I'm getting milk? Like, what am I going to get?

But like, go buy some. healthy stuff. It's like, oh, okay, I know very clearly which aisle to be in, what to grab. It's obviously going to be lots of meat and fruit. And off we go. And having those filters for our family has been just a complete game changer. Because it's no longer like him and hain. It's very quick decisions towards kind of the common mission, the common goal. And now, especially for the older kids, we're bringing them into that conversation. It's like, hey, dad, can I do this? It's like, well, yeah, you can do anything you want. But tell me why you. think this is the best thing to do with your time.

Let me why you think this is the best thing to, you know, invest your, your brain and your physical energy into. And then it's like, how is it helping your goals and blah, blah, blah. And at first they're like, I don't know, like I just wanted to do it. And then, but now my, especially my older son. They start to think. Holy smokes. He's eight years old.

He's thinking better than I was at 25. Like, it's crazy. It's funny. It's funny you bring that up because, you know, so this is the first year. I haven't told my wife this yet. So I didn't get to announce it on the podcast, but we haven't. done um we haven't done the goal thing because we haven't left yet so on the road trip i i'm looking forward to her being like okay yeah all right let's know and and this is the first year i'm like

i think i'm going to ask my kids to do it with us or or to have a part in it not i i really think you and your wife or me and mine it's really important to do that together and and then certainly to do it individually too like where do you want to be where do we want to be and i want to bring my kids in for part of that, eight or nine, soon to be eight and soon to be six. And I don't expect a six year old to be like, well, and lay down something crazy. But it's like what you just said, I want them to start thinking like that. Because it's taken me into my 30s before I ever started thinking. I'm like, man, if I'd started, you know, because one of the things about podcasting is if I didn't know what I was doing at the start.

I was just, you know, I was just trying things, right? and then as I started to get a little bit better and it's like, well, where do I actually want to be? And then you plant that mountain top of where, okay, I want to get over there. Then all the noise that tries pulling you off that way, and I don't mean that in an evil way.

I just mean people want your time. People have their own mountains and they want to use and try to like, you know, get that to work for sure. Then it becomes easier to say no. 100%. No, I'm not interested. You know, like one of the things on this side has been, as you talked to more politicians,

and start to learn things, everybody, when are you going to run for politics? Yeah. Well, if I do that, you realize this all goes away. Yeah. And is that the best use of what I'm doing?

Or is it better to aim differently? And I always say the day Mel walks in and says you've got to run for politics, maybe I'll entertain that conversation. Until then, it's like, no, I'm aiming at a different hill or a different mountain top. And it becomes easier once you have that set of like, no, I'm not interested in that.

No, I'm not interested in that. you know I'm taking a year off drinking right now so I haven't been drinking for almost seven months and once again in a different conversation he's like well you know what is it added to you I'm like well I feel like everything you know like everything has become clear I like to think our marriage is better because of it my time I wrote something for the first time I think ever you know I've certainly had thoughts but I actually wrote a coherent two page thought and do I chucked that up all to not drinking? No, but at the same time, the time was there and the level of brain activity wasn't clouded. And so I actually got to think about something, write it down,

and I'm like, and I feel like that's building to where I want to get to. Yep. I haven't had drop alcohol in, it'll be 10 years this October. And I probably like, I'm, I would probably say my personality definitely falls towards the, uh, like addiction, you know, I definitely, liked to do things that I like a lot. A lot, sure. And so it was probably a dark season of life. Kind of just decided, like, this is not for me. Went through about a year.

Decided like, oh, yeah, a year went by. Like, clearly I can turn it off and then dove back in, bad habits and just thought, okay, this is not for me, I'm done. And what I think it attributes to is I have 365 days a year where I wake up feeling amazing.

I also don't have a crutch for 365 days a year. That's an easy like oh pass it off and i'm gonna i'm gonna write tonight off i'm gonna you know even if you do that 10 times a year i've had a full extra month over the last decade at 10 days per year times or sorry three months at 10 days a year well and i would i would i would say six months because everybody knows if you take a night what does it cost you on the other end well the next day next day next maybe maybe two if you're you know if you're older like like it's you know as you get older those days don't get any any shorter yeah and so you know this this extra

time, this extra brain, you know, turned onness is like definitely compounding. And my physical being is healthier. To your point, I think, too, there's something you're more switched on spiritually. You're able to be more humble. You're not, you're less irritable. Like everything, the stars align and the incentives align when you're not inebriated and when you're not, you know, when that's not a part of your life. So I definitely, you know, commend you for.

jumping on that journey and and and I would you know I'm I would hazard a guess that you take your year and and do whatever and like whatever like I've got lots of friends that like drinking like nothing against that but for me personally and I'm an all-or-nothing guy I was kind of just like what's the point like what what is the point let's say I can control it let's say it's it's whatever you know why does injecting poison into my brain help my goals and I have yet to be able to to find one person who someone you know and I won't out him on the podcast but he said well it's very social and I was like sure but so are like NFTs and so are you know so is cocaine and so is like there's lots of social things that that I think you and I both agree are wrong and bad and

maybe even veering towards evil I don't think that's a good enough reason and so it's a yeah that's kind of my perspective on on alcohol anyways it's it's interesting because I'm wrestling with that right now Like what's after the year? Yeah, well, and then I remind myself, I just enjoy the day and just get through the next day. It's, you know, what somebody said is Alcoholics Anonymous, just day by day.

In fairness, that is Alcoholics Anonymous. At the start, it was like, can I make a month? Right. You know, and I have this, I really, really don't, you know, if I let myself down, so if I say I'm going to do something and then fall short of it, then it's like, well, did it really matter? And then it spirals, you know? So when I say I'm going to do a year, part of my brain has been wired.

We bike Canada in 2006. And I had a lot of people saying I couldn't do it and they made fun of it and everything else. And my oldest brother said, oh, Sharon is going to get it on the bike. And he's not going to come back until he's done. Because he's not going to want to come back saying, oh, you almost made it. You almost made it. It's like, no, he'll make it because there's no way he's coming back to face that music. He wants to come back.

And when I look at a year, it's the same thing. and I've been targeting this six-month date because I'd heard a lot of famous actors specifically talk about how a month wasn't that bad. Three months, things started to change, but at six months, I really noticed something. And I was like, I wonder what happens at six months? And while at six months, I'm like,

I start going, oh, the year is going to fly by. What am I going to do on January 1 of 2026? What a weird thing to have a conversation with yourself about? Not knowing, you know, it's like, well, before we get there, how about we just enjoy right now and just enjoy the fact that, You know, went to a wedding, first wedding I've ever been to where I didn't have an alcoholic beverage.

It's very celebratory time. And in my body, I don't know about you. I love a celebratory time. I think it's the best time to have a drink. You're celebrating something. Everybody's happy and jovial and there's dancing and everything else. And so I was kind of like, well, this should be interesting. Yeah.

You know, because usually I need a little bit of substance to get on the dance floor. And just, it's funny. I made sure to push myself on the dance floor and not worry about it. I had just as good a time as anything. I got to have a conversation with my son on the ride home because he was like, you know, Dad, you shouldn't drink and then drive home. And I looked at him and said, oh, I didn't have a drink tonight.

He's like, really? And I'm like, yeah, no, I didn't have anything tonight. So he's like, oh, I'm like, that's a cool moment. Yeah. Those moments are really cool to have, and I keep having those as I don't drink, right? Like it opens up opportunities for conversations. And I really applaud the guys,

whether they knew they were doing or not. there was guys who did it around my friend circle, my hockey circle, I should say, that did it. And I looked down and how is he doing that? And they really put that in my brain of, if they can do it, I know I can do it because I'm doing a lot of other things,

but why can they do that one? And so you never know what impact you're having. Ten years. I mean, my hat's off to you. That's pretty cool. I would say probably after the first year was when that logic, it became less emotional.

Like right now I would call the like the stage that you're in. It's a, it's a little bit more emotional than like logical. I think there's no real good logic for it. But there is the social and like the like to your point, you know, oh, celebratory time. You know, whatever we're going to celebrate. Like we're at a wedding. We're having an anniversary where it's a time for great pleasure. And I mean, that is something that we, you know, as a society especially like to like to do.

What I found was the weirdest was going out for. dinner with one or two other people and just ordering like a soda water or just just having the water or just having the you know the mocktail or you know whatever I like virgin mojitos that's my like virgin mojito love it man the mint the syrup and the soda water I go crazy for it's fantastic and so they're like oh you're not drinking it's like no I don't really uh I don't really like to drink you guys go ahead but I don't really like to drink and then they'll often be like well I'm not gonna like I'm not gonna like I'm not going to drink alone like you know and then they don't drink and then we have a great conversation and we both drive home and and off we go. And more and more, as that,

as that came more and more times, I got more and more comfortable with that conversation. It kind of became a little bit part of my identity. And then I would say, you know, I've also seen lots of success and people look at me in this kind of higher regard. I gained a lot more confidence and now it's just kind of part of my brand, part of part of who I am, part of what makes me tick is like, I get 365 switched on days per year. And you call me at three in the morning any night. I'm ready to have a conversation. When I can't sleep, I'm not piling into a bottle. I'm diving into my laptop or my Bible. Like that's what fuels me and preps me so that in five years, like you better believe I'm on this crazy hockey stick curve. And I'm trying to blast the things

out of my way that are trying to pull me off the hockey stick curve. And so yeah, that's what that's of what's worked for me. Like I said, I'm an all or nothing guy too, though. So I wasn't the guy that just walked in and had one beer. Like it was, you know, 10 beers and then a bottle of Yeager or something like, you know, on the, I'm on the extremes on on everything, which is part of what, yeah, part of what makes me who I am and probably what gives me lots of my success in, you know, diving into Bitcoin so early and and so young and the business and how it runs now.

but also, you know, that's double-edged sword for any type of, yeah, for any type of extreme individual. Substance can be a tricky thing. Yeah, well, I, I mirror you. If I'm going for one, I want to have, because as soon as I have one, I want to have seven, you know, like maybe the only times where that isn't the case is I got three older brothers. And there's just certain moments in life where you're sitting around with the brothers

specifically and maybe dad's there. and they pull out a nice bottle of scotch and you're like a little nip, you know, would it hurt? And yet you think about that and you're like, the problem my brain has because I know this about everything. It actually goes to podcasting.

One of my fears of not podcasting is when I get away from it, things just, it's such an anchor of like structure in my day. Podcast, put it out. Do you put a show it every day? Five days a week. Wow.

And during hockey season, show playoffs we do six because the brothers come in and we do a roundtable and and but I also go do you go to work every day right yeah yeah of course you know like do you know to somebody who works in the O'Field do you get up and go to work every day yeah so you know they're like seven only six for you like I go seven yeah I watched I watched the video um on Casey Nyestack uh he's the go man the way he tells a story is just insane and he just made so much sense to me you know Like if you do, back then he was talking about YouTube videos. And he goes, you know, I do one a week and I get one that goes cataclysmic once a month.

What happens is if I did 30 of them in a month. How many of them would go cataclysmic? Even if it's only two, it's double. Yeah. And I'm like, 100% better. I'm like, oh, that's interesting, right? And so like, you know, you add in the 10,000 hour rule and you add in different things like that. And it's like, well, I want to be, I don't want to be an okay host.

I want to be the best. Well, the best, in my opinion, even to this day, is still Joe Rogan. I watch him and I just like, he's just so well-versed. It was like 3,000 episodes. It's insane. Insane. And yet, I just, I'm over 1,000 now. Wow.

How did that happen? Well, it didn't happen by doing 1,000 a year. It just happened by being consistent, showing up, sitting with people, and exploring different topics, and building a network and inviting them on. And I just want to be the best that Western Canada, I can't, I feel like there's such a divide between West and East. know if I'll ever be and sorry to my Eastern listeners because there is a bunch of them. But I think we can all agree.

I'm not speaking to the, uh, the, the, the, maybe the downtown Toronto folk or, or, you know, like the French speaking in, in Quebec. I, I'm a Western Canada boy. I grew up in Saskatchew, live in Alberta, have a ton of time for the blue collar folk that, uh, make our world run. Yeah. And I just, I really want to showcase that and I want to be the best. and by being the best, you know, like,

I found that, you know, I just did the Cornerstone Forum in Calgary on May 10th. And it is the first show. I've done, I think I've done 12 live events. It is the first one. I've never had a drop of alcohol. And normally, when I culminating and finish something like that, I have a nice whatever.

And this time I'm like, well, I can't. So what I'm going to do? So I drank water with live. You talk about mehitos. is water with a little, with a fresh lime. I don't know why it tastes so good, but it tastes really good. Lime is the superfood, man.

And normally I would stay up until 2 in the morning. And instead, I just, I'm like, I know this from running lots of events in earlier life. Nothing good happens after midnight. Absolutely nothing. So it's funny, I timed myself off a bottle of water. When the bottle of water is done, it's time to go to bed. Just go up to bed, don't worry about it.

And it's the first time I've ever, because normally you get sucked into having a, them one, then you have two, and you're having a, oh, it's just nice to decompress and you kind of, ah, yeah, all right, you let the hair back, or let the hair down, sorry, and you, and I didn't have that. And I woke up the next day and I was ready to go again. I'm like, well, that's really interesting. My recovery, I told everybody I wasn't going to talk about Cornerstone 2026 until like two

weeks later. It was the next morning, my brain turned on and it started, you know, on Monday, so two days after, I'd already reached out to venues. I'm like, I'm in, what am I doing? I'm such a this is such an insane thing you said two weeks Sean it hasn't been 36 hours and you're already planning for 2026 like what a and I don't think I would have that if I would have went out until two in the morning and then maybe the next day had a few I could see how two weeks goes by and you actually haven't done much and they're all right it's time to it's time to get moving pull yourself off though right because yes you know you're waking up hung over you're not exactly eating a nice big ribby steak with with with a watermelon after like you're going after McDonald's you're probably taking the edge off. Like you got one day,

so now you're not feeling good for two or three more days. You guarantee you I was going to get McDonald's, right? It was right across street. It's like no brainer. No brainer. Get in the egg, Mcuffin. Like in this town, do you have like a door dash or a like do you have those gig delivery?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean, it's also easy. It's very, very easy to do yourself the disfavors. And I think all those disfavors to yourself come from the mindset of, I just want things to be easy.

But when you actually look at your life, I don't think you want the outcome of an easy life. I think you actually, if every single person, you know, whether they're young, old, driven, you know, not driven, whatever. Nobody actually wants the outcome of just an easy life. They all want the outcome of, you know, making difficult decisions and having discipline. And I think our world has gotten so far away from that. discipline. We don't, we don't, we don't raise our children this way. We don't, you know, our governments don't act this way. Even some businesses are not even forced to, to act with discipline. You look at these big behemoth companies like, you know,

how can Apple just blow billions of dollars on a project for a car and then just go, ah, never mind. Like that's shocking to me. And I don't think that's a natural state of the world. I don't think that's a good spot. Well, I can guarantee you can't blow billions of on a project and then just mothball it? I certainly can. Dude, that's what I mean. Like, it's not a healthy spot for you to be in. I'm hungrier than that.

And it forces, what I'm forced to do is to think really hard. Before I spend a dollar, before I spend, you know, a Bitcoin, um, you're thinking about like, hey, is this going to meaningfully move the needle for my life? And if I can't get to a yes very quick with, without like many logicals, because logic holes are going to exist. You have to kind of, you know, strive and, and hit it. But if you can't get to yes, then it's just, it's just not going to happen.

And then, you know, and this is where you wrestle with some, like, there's some sunk time fallacy and all this stuff. Because once the logic turns from like, yes, definitely to like, maybe not, then you got to be really quick to, like, turn it off and then pivot, too. So there's probably some balance in there. But from my perspective, you know, whether it be discipline, whether it be doing the hard thing, like, just, Lowering your time preference generally, valuing the future more than you value the present has done wonders for my life. And I recommend everyone zoom out a little bit. If you're thinking about one month, think about six.

If you're thinking about six months, think about two years. And if you're in the select few that are already thinking about two, three years that are down the road, think about 10. Because when you start thinking in generations compared to thinking in months, like, my goodness, things change. I think about all the time my great, great granddaughter. I've got this picture of her in my head. Not like a physical.

I can't really think what she's going to look like because we're going to be, what's that, four generations from me. Sure. But I can like picture her being. I'm probably not going to meet her. Maybe I'll get to hold her as an infant,

but I'll be like, I'll be 100 or something. Like I'm going to be really old. But I really, really, really hope that my bloodline has seen abundance, generational faith and hopefully a mindset

that has passed through it, that she is just set up to take over the world. She is just set up to, lead people to Jesus, to lead people to prosperity. And I really, really, really hope that my efforts today can just set the direction. And then my kids, you know, continue the direction. And then their kids continue the direction. And when you're thinking in this generational timeline, like, all of a sudden, you know,

that Tuesday night bender is so unimportant. And that like, you know, or whatever, whatever the, whatever your clutch, whatever your crutch is going to be, just. become so unimportant. And to your point, the things that pull you off the mountain top are just like, you're there and you're dialed in. And it's, but yeah, it's been a cool journey, man. Talk to me about Bitcoin well. You know, like, I'm treckling. We've been going almost an hour and we haven't even got to what you do, you know, but to me, that's a mark of a fun, a fun conversation. All this, all this energy you have, you've built a company, Bitcoin

well. tell the audience about it. So we make technology that makes it easy to use Bitcoin. And the reason I say use and not buy is because I'm of the opinion that in probably hopefully 10, 15, 20 years, we're going to be on a Bitcoin standard. And you're going to be earning Bitcoin. And I'm not very interested in just letting you invest in Bitcoin. I want you to save in Bitcoin.

And so what we do is we started with Bitcoin ATMs way back when. And we've recently launched an online platform. But it's not a traditional exchange because we never hold your Bitcoin. We always deliver 100% of your Bitcoin to you. We're one of two companies that does that in Canada, and we're the only company that does that in the USA. And why that's so important is because you... Only company in the USA? Yeah.

Every other company is custodial. You have to request... Really? I actually didn't know that. Yeah. You have to request a withdrawal in order to take your coins off platform. And Bitcoin well sends your coins directly to you. And where that changes kind of the incentives and the mindset of the platform is we are 100% concerned about making your dollar go as far as possible.

So every dollar you give us should give you as much Bitcoin as possible. But also your experience has to be A1. And then we're able to invest time and money into making our product better, which is better towards our mission, which is to enable independence. If you are holding my Bitcoin, even for an hour, you have to. to be investing in my Bitcoin's security. You have to be with the regulators making sure that you're doing this under compliance. You have to be making sure that the giant honeypot that you've created is protected. You have to make sure that your SOPs for your internal staff are there. So you're wasting all this time, all this energy, protecting something that you shouldn't have

anyways. And we've got the luxury of just delivering all of the Bitcoin to our customers immediately at no point in time is a customer exposed like if we turned our our servers off right now bitcoin well was just like now i'm done turn off the computers cancel the contracts like the server contract we're done there would be zero customer bitcoin lost and i think that's a really special thing because it truly aligns our incentive with our customers incentive um you know if the government tomorrow made self-custity of bitcoin illegal every single bitcoin that you have sitting in coin base doesn't come to you And that happened in the UK, where they're actively going through a process to make taking custody of your Bitcoin illegal.

And so we call this being non-custodial or we're a self-custody platform. And that in my mind is the single biggest selling feature, the single biggest differentiator between Bitcoin well and every other platform. But ultimately, you know, kind of what we do other than all the technical like delivery stuff is we make it easy for you to live with Bitcoin. in self-custody. And so whether you want to pay your bill, like I personally, I like to say I'm just building a product that I need. And lucky for us, 50,000 other people want to use it as well. But you can pay your bills with Bitcoin.

You can send, like, if I don't have to send you an e-transfer, say I would you $100, I could send Bitcoin to Bitcoin Well. Bitcoin Well will send you the e-transfer. I can, that's how I pay my, like my landscaper. I pay with Bitcoin. He doesn't want to accept the Bitcoin. no problem, he gets cash. And then are like the guy that cuts the grass, not like the tree guy, but the guy that just

drives the lawnmour, I pay him with Bitcoin directly from my Bitcoin wallet. So it's kind of a nice mix of having the ability to use the Bitcoin that I have and also having the ability to buy and sell Bitcoin when I need to. When you set up, help me set up my personal one, I've been getting a ton of, I'm going to say chatter. I don't know if that's just a lot of people saying, you know what you should set up is the podcast should set up a wallet. I don't know if I'm doing any of these terms correct. Adam, that's why you're here. Is that something a company can do easily through you? Is that like, so a wallet, I actually wouldn't push you to use Bitcoin well because I don't want any part of

your Bitcoin ownership. I want to be the conduit between the Canadian dollar or the US dollar and your Bitcoin wallet. Like right now, if you only had Bitcoin, you couldn't buy that McDonald's. You couldn't pay for gas at the gas pump. Sure. Be tough for you to pay for rent. And so instead, you could send that Bitcoin to Bitcoin Well,

if Bitcoin Well will distribute the Canadian dollars revenue to beat. What I would push you to do instead is to very, very simply make a second wallet because Bitcoin wallets are abundant and free. tell your listeners how you know what that wallet address is it's totally public totally fine and then your listeners could donate bitcoin at any point in time uh even even you yourself you could take the canadian dollar donations or subscriptions that you have and put it through bitcoin well and send it to bitcoin well and then bitcoin well will send it to that wallet and you could even choose to publicly disclose that address which might be smart might be not smart cool

for your community, bad for Uncle Sam, who's watching that address as well, but your community could watch this nest egg of Bitcoin grow and, you know, have a part to play in your story. Because when that nest egg, not if, when that nest egg grows to a certain level of value that allows you to hire the producer, to build the mega studio, to, you know, have the Sean Newman jet that, even just to fly in the big, like, hey, you know, Joe Rogan's on the podcast, Because we paid him a million dollars, which is 0.01 Bitcoin. Thank you to, you know, this guy 10 years ago that that gave us that at that time was a $100 donation and is now has amassed to like Joe Rogan. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like this long, long term idea of how wealth accumulates in a Bitcoin standard is crazy. There's a, so a big part of our business is Bitcoin ATMs. We have 165 Bitcoin ATMs across the country. You can walk up with cash, put cash in, receive Bitcoin. and so you have to place those machines. And we placed them in a restaurant in Ontario. And I met up with the host. He's got five or six locations.

I met up with him last year at the Bitcoin conference in Montreal. And he was like, hey, man, I got to tell you something. I was like, great, let's hear it. Like, what do you got? He's like, well, two years ago, you put your machine in, and we've been taking our rent payments in Bitcoin. It's $200 bucks a month. And he said, over the course of the last two years,

Like, $200 comes into my bank account for the business. It's a slush. Like, you know, you're thinking about you're operating a restaurant. I don't know what the revenues are, $250,000 a year. Or give or take $200 bucks, just gets lost in the gender. Yep. Whatever. But this, you know, $200 a month, straight into Bitcoin,

straight into my wallet. It's segregated. It's in Bitcoin. That is now over $25,000. I'm selling it and opening up another location. So it's like, what was slush money? What was just, you know, getting lost in the shuffle over two years only, which is frankly not that much time. And luckily, you know, timing was it like we were in the part of the cycle where the timing worked out for him.

But he gets a whole new location where we're put another machine, pay him another 200 bucks. Like, you see how those compounds so well. And it's strictly because, you know, he lowered his time preference. He was disciplined. And I would absolutely think that, you know, the Sean. Newman podcast should have a Bitcoin wallet that you're disciplined in 10%, 15%, 20%, some number of the revenue that comes in gets put into savings, put into Bitcoin. I think every small business should do that.

Because every small business, you know, has this problem, especially I think about those blue color workers we were talking about earlier. Lots of them are sole prop contractors. Lots of them have cash flow. Maybe they're managing seven to 10 employees. They post one to three million bucks a year. in profit and they unfortunately have to figure out what to do with the cash at the end of the year. They have a bank account with melting ice cubes sitting inside of it. And so what do they

do? Well, oftentimes they've bought a building, you know, buy the building that you're going to be in, quit paying rent, you know, now you've got some assets there. Maybe you're going to invest in another truck or in another, you know, line of business. And I think all that's great. But at the end of the day, nothing is more liquid and nothing is. is, you know, more, more guaranteed than Bitcoin. You buy a big building to try to protect the value your profits as a small business. You're kind of on the hook for that building forever. You got to pay property taxes.

You got to maintain it. So you're renting it against time and the government in those two cents. And then what happens if the market turns? What happens if offices go out of style for a year or two? You know, what happens if your business wants to move? That would never have. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why would we turn the world off, right?

That wouldn't happen. What happens if you decide that you no longer want to be in Grand Prairie, you want to go to Fort Mac and you've got to now, you have another hassle of moving. So you have all these liabilities disguised as assets to protect the melting ice cube problem of your bank account when in reality, you could just have a Bitcoin wallet. And Bitcoin does its thing. It's instantly liquid.

It's available or it's usable literally on any part of the earth. You could actually go to Nigeria. and use Bitcoin easier than you can use the U.S. dollar and certainly easier than the Canadian dollar. So it's like, what are we doing here? You know, as a small business, I think we're going to see a massive rise of people saving their business value in Bitcoin for the long term, especially as, you know, as we get a little bit of turbulence here with the political system in Canada, we're talking about Alberta moving. Like, there's some serious volatility and uncertainty in the short term horizon. Now, you can assume a giant building in Alberta as it separates would skyrocket value.

Maybe. Unless there's an ex-attacks, unless there's some other sort of problem that exists. So I just think about these things and how Bitcoin is kind of the answer to like that melting ice cube problem. And Bitcoin well is designed really to help you navigate that journey. But then most importantly, help you convert from, you know, Canadian dollars into Bitcoin. And then be there. Like, I do not subscribe to this idea, like, never sell your Bitcoin. I think that's the dumbest thing ever because if you never sell your Bitcoin, that means you have dollars.

What are you doing having dollars? You know, do you, it's like, oh, I never sell my USD, so I just keep all my money in pesos. Like, why would you do that? That seems pretty dumb. And keeping the worst version of the currency in order to not have to sell the good stuff, makes no sense. Just buy everything. Just keep all the good stuff.

And then you'll be able to use it later on. Well, I like when, you know, one of the things I like about your mindset is looking further out. You know, one of the things about the Cornerstone Forum in particular is I always talk about the next year. But I like looking at things a little longer term. You know, I was mentioning, I showed you the video of the new studio. And one of the things, it took me a long time to finally settle on it. And I think, I think that's okay for things that really matter. Yeah.

You're setting a foundation of where you're getting. going to have, you should probably take some time and thinking about that, you know? And when you, when you start looking at, even the company with the $200 a month, you know, you almost forget, I can see how you forget about that. For some people right now, all they got is $200 a month. For others, you know, $200 a month, they blow on a quick trip to the liquor store, to be honest. Yeah, right? Sure. Or one dinner, right? Yeah. You start, you start just sneaking that away. you can see where you almost forget about it.

And then one day you look over and like, when did that happen? Yeah. You know, like, and at times I'm really good at that. And at times I'm just as bad as anyone else with those things. And I'm really trying to get my mindset into that.

Like, where do I want to be in another two years? Five years, ten years. You know, I'm, there's simple things, you know, like, that aren't that simple because they take a ton of work, but, you know,

my marriage, where do I want to be? Well, I want to still be married. Yeah. You know, I want it to be healthy. I want it to be fun.

I don't want it to be where, you know, so much of, I get so annoyed with Hollywood right now. Because everything is divorce. I'm like, where is the happy story? You know,

like where is that story? Because they're there. I'm living it. It takes a lot of work. You got to work through difficult situations. But that's what building a strong marriage is all about. I think, like Hollywood has to be relatable and I think there's more people that are living

not your story there's more people living the divorced nightmare than there are living the you know like you're the you're the minority right now which is terrible and I joked up and so sad my my buddy and my chatting this morning he told me that one in four the stat is one in four people kids grow up in a household without a father figure right now. One in four. That is 30 years ago,

it was one in 20. So that is like, that is crazy. And you think about this, you think about, you know, the detachment of like money from value. You think about Hollywood.

You think about, you know, the news inputs. And it's like, it's a dark world, man. And I think that, yeah, it's pretty important to talk about the long term. I mean, we don't have people thinking about the long term very much because I don't think the world is, is able or is focused on that right now, which is crazy.

Well, one of the things I enjoy about, you know, you talked about earlier, you know, spending time in the Bible and, like, reading it. I don't know about you, but the more I read it, I'm like, I can't believe that's in there. I know. Like, I think, why did I glaze over this thing for so much my life? I'm like, how is that in there? I was reading Proverbs this morning. and in it, I forget how it goes, but it's something along the lines of,

um, an unhappy wife is like a leaky roof. And so I said that aloud. And my wife goes, are you calling me a leaky roof? And then my daughter's like, what's a leaky roof? And I'm like, no,

I'm not calling you a leaky roof. I'm just saying it's very true. Yeah. Right? If you don't have, if you have a, if you have conflict at home, well,

it'd be like having a leaky roof. I'm like, Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, I don't know why that's so shocking to be in a book, but there it is. Yeah. You know, and it's funny, the more I dig into the Bible, the more I'm just, I'm almost taken aback and how much wisdom is just sitting there for you to just take if you just invest a little bit of time in reading it, but you do have to read it.

You can't just. You got to get there, man. You got to go into it. And when you talk about purchasing Bitcoin, you know, it can be, it is, can be, it can be, what is the word I'm looking for? Almost paralyzing. Yeah. Yeah.

Paralyzing I think is the right word actually. It looks like such a juggernaut to get to. And then you get there and you go, oh. Yeah. It's like learning any new skill. You just have to get there. And we want the bar of entry to be Uber Eats. You know, you just do, and it's super easy.

Yeah. And anything above that, our society has, um, we've done our society. a disservice by making the bar of entry for so many things that aren't great so easy you know you look back at covid what were the things that stayed open weed shops liquor stores and you're like casinos and like yeah but none of that is really good like you know and yet that's the way society operates you can tell you say i'm the minority well you're the minority and all over again in thinking

well those things are so you watch nchel playoffs what do they do they talk about gambling every commercial brick. Yeah. I'm like, and beer. And beer. Yeah. Yeah, maybe those two for long-term success aren't really compatible.

Totally. Yeah, man. No, I think it's, I think to your point about society and where it's been, I think it's a symptom of the money. It's a symptom that human beings, you think about, let's think about 100 years ago.

Let's think about 250 years ago. You weren't just focused on, if you only focus on on the short term, you weren't, you weren't, you know, going to make it to the next six months or 12 months down the road.

But what you had going for you was that the things that you stabbed up, the gold, you know, the canned food, those things lasted. And you had this kind of short-term security,

this concept of savings. We all have, and are brought up, oh, you got to have six months worth of, you know, let's make sure you have six months expenses. Well, guess what? six months dispenses is kind of unknown right now right interest rates are changing every three so you have

no idea what your mortgage costs your borrowing costs are going to be in even six months right rent prices food prices change weekly right price apple lumber what did lumber shoot up like 400% in the fan of two months uh during like the covid craze like these prices that we have are not stable for six months and so what good is having six months of savings going to do you are only able to save for your shortest unit of, uh, of, of expenditure, which even about what is it, it's food, it's gas and shelter, let's call it. Well, food prices change daily. Let's go weekly.

Gas prices change weekly. And your shelter prices change every three months because that's what interest rates change. So you know, I've got a fixed mortgage. I got right. Okay, sure, whatever. But like, you know, let's say 12 months then. So really, you know, you've got two of your three greatest expenses changing. on a weekly basis.

How on earth can we expect that person to plan about the next 10 years? How on earth do we expect for them to look five years? You know, even one year down the road is like, yeah, maybe. But you go back to your, if you're thinking about a day,

think about a week. If you're thinking about a month, think about three. That's right. And it's short steps. It's short steps. Yeah. You know, I read a book,

I don't know, is this six years ago now? Just thinking grow rich. I think it was the book, if I'm remembering, correct, it was about ancient times and how people, you know, set aside a copper coin every month. And then all of a sudden you had 12 copper coins. And then you could go out and forgive me, I'm butchering this.

But the idea is still the same. You could go buy an extra goat or an extra sheep. And then you slowly grew your flock. And over the course. And then all of a sudden, you know, you got to where in three years you've added to your herd and your herd's bigger. And then it just keeps going and going.

sometimes when you complicate things and make it all over the place not you i just mean in general yeah yeah yeah you can get paralyzed and well what do i even start and and i found uh the thinking grow roach book was almost so simple that i'm like oh yeah that makes sense if you just stick an extra 50 bucks if you got it over here into something you know bitcoin and you do that consistently over the course of a year or two years all of a sudden that is something you're something that is something completely different than what it was if it if you hadn't had it totally and that's taken time and it continues to take time and I'm still hard on myself because I think I could be better at it and then I have to remind myself I'm like I'm trying like you're still doing things you

would never have thought of doing seven years ago and you want to get to this I don't know I think we're like what what a what is success deemed at these these days probably having whatever you want to buy you know like I'm going to go buy the new house I'm going to buy the sports car, the boat, all the things. And one of the things I hope I'm slowly starting to understand is actually what I want is I want my family to be safe and strong. Because storms are coming. They're happening every single day.

And I want us to thrive. And thrive doesn't mean going to Mexico every two months. It actually just means having the ability to do what you want when you want. and some of that is just is just planning for the next year or the next 10 or the next two months. It's the, I, my wife laughs at me all the time, but as a kid, I don't know how on earth I convinced my parents. My Harley and I, we shared a room and we convinced them

and put a TV in our room back when it was like boxed with the antennas. I don't even know how we did that. Awesome. It was an old crappy television set. And they probably thought, it's an old crappy television set. Sure, you could have it in there. And now as a parent, my wife and lots of people have TVs in their bedrooms. And maybe you're one of those. I don't know.

And I told myself, I'm not doing it. I would love to do it because I would love to curl up in bed with the wife and put something on him. But I'm like, what I told her then and I continue to tell her is as soon as we do that, my child who has me in him is going to have me over, he's going to have me over the table. Because he's going to be able, why do you get to have? And I'm not going to have a good answer other than when you get older, you get your house.

That's right. And so by delaying that, no, I'm not going to do that. We have a TV. It's in the living room. You want to watch TV? You're around people.

You don't get to go exclude yourself. It's one of those 20-year things with my kids that I'm like, they're not going to have that argument. I will not allow them to have that argument on me. No, we don't do it. Why do you get to do it? No, this is where the TV is.

It's there. Because you even think now, like I was saying the other day, when I was young, you had Saturday morning cartoons and they didn't start until 7 on the button. I remember watching the fuzz

and waiting for Tintin to come on and be like, come on, Tintin. I don't even like you that much but your Saturday morning cartoons that I want to watch. And we got until I think it was 11

and then it switched to regular program. So you had four hours a week of morning cartoons. Now, if you have anything in a bedroom where everything has become a smart TV or smart this, you can watch morning cartoons 24-7. And it's like it's taken out the beauty of what Saturday morning cartoons were.

The scarcity, man. The scarcity is gone. Totally. Yeah, the scarcity, that's a good point. Yeah. We all want abundance. And then we cross over the point of too much. And then the magic kind of disappears.

And all the value disappears. The value disappears. I think that humans were designed to have scarcity. We're drawn to. Even my, I'll never forget this, when my son was, I think he was two, maybe a little bit younger. We were playing hungry hippos. Like, it's a pretty easy game for that. And there was no rules.

You know how they have, they have the one different colored ball. Ours was purple and orange. And we didn't assign any value like the two-year-old. So it's just like, you know, smash the hippo and get the balls. Like, whatever. Then you count after. And hurry, you won or whatever. And he always freaked out.

He loved it when he got the orange ball. That was kind of the one different one. No extra value. No. no extra points. He didn't win the game when he got the orange one. It was just,

he just loved it because it was, I think, scarce. And he can't put into words why he's two. But human beings are drawn to scarcity.

And we were natural, we were designed to live in a world that has scarcity. And now if you think about all the things that are killing society, all the things that are eating human beings alive,

it's a result of money no longer being scarce and a result of, you know, kind of, the the scarcity of things requiring work. And I think that's pretty telling. I think that it means that, you know,

we all need to go back to being a little bit more disciplined, really setting the stage for what we want in life. And then leaning into refrain. I think that, you know, we're in a world and in a time where if you can have everything, you should. And then the magic kind of starts to unwind. and you start to maybe, there's always more. But finding what you can live without

in order to have a happier and a healthier life and generations is probably the better play. Yeah, the discipline of not giving yourself the gratification or the feeling of, you know, and we've been talking on and off about alcohol has been really interesting for me, right? because that discipline sets you up for success. You hear Rogan and like Jocco Wilnick and all those guys talk about it.

But like actually implementing in your life is both simultaneously hard and easy. Right. Right? Like getting there was hard. And then certain points of it are hard. But what you get on the other side is it's almost in hindsight, it's like super easy. Your brain tells you it's hard, but realistically it isn't that. hard. You're abstaining from, from what? You know, from everything we've talked about. And when you

come back to like the money side of it, more of us, most of us, I would say, have more than we think. And it's just being a little bit strategic to take away some of what you have for the next 10 years or the generations ahead or the storm that comes where you need it. And I feel like there's more more of society, the freedom world specifically. It is finding that out and starting to do things that really map well with that. And I don't know where that takes us in the future. I think good things. There's going to be pain between here and there. But I think the more of society that starts to map that way, you wonder where that leads in the future. Yeah. I mean, I think that the freedom community is going to see a sudden surge. Like here's the cool thing about that. The cool thing about

Bitcoin is that it's for everyone. And the reason I would say that Bitcoin is not or is apolitical is because it will aid and abed you from keeping your money, you know, from being stolen and also for using your money for something that is, you know, either prohibited or or not. And obviously, we think that some things shouldn't be prohibited. I should be able to use my money to, you know, buy things that I, that I want. I should be able to donate it to someone who... Bitcoin isn't coming out with a $10,000 rule? There's no $10,000 limit for Bitcoin, no. Thankfully.

But all that to say, it is a certain set of people that have been censored from using their money in recent history. And the other side champions the seizure of the money, the, you know, the capture of the money. But there will come a time. The pendulum swings, the political narrative shift. And that group of people is going to experience the same censors. And the issue that I think is polarizing enough and that I don't I don't talk about from the theory perspective, but I just use this as a very specific example, is abortion. Eventually, you know, it probably history will tell us it will be unfavorable to be pro choice. If the political governments move, that'll just be the laws that come into place.

And being pro choice will be treated the same way that being pro life is right now. And at that point, those people are. people that fall into that camp will understand why censorship is bad. And hopefully they have the waking up call of, hey, I don't want a different slave master. I don't want a different puppeteer. I want no puppeteer.

And they will understand why Bitcoin is so valuable because their bank account will be frozen and they won't be able to speak on the platform that they've chosen to have their audience and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think at that moment, after the pendulum swings, when the other side of the aisle is censored for all the things that we disagree with

is when the world as a whole and hopefully it doesn't take so long that our side has forgotten about oh our puppet master is great now so we'll keep them in charge like that's the danger that's the risk but when we realize that we want rules and not rulers when we realize that we weren't designed

to just be puppets in this game with a couple puppeteers that we were designed to be free thinkers and and you know free being the operative word there. I think the world will be a better place at that point because we'll all have personal responsibility. We'll have to. We'll be able to point to someone else

and we'll all be focused on maintaining and helping the world be a better place starting with us. If someone wants to get involved in Bitcoin, Bitcoin well, where would you point them to? What would you say is the easiest way, the lowest level of entry where they can just start to,

I don't know, dip their toe in. Yeah. So we've actually designed a website page, Bitcoinwild.com slash start. And the whole concept is just buy a hundred bucks. You can take 100 bucks and make it $21, $10, whatever, just some small amount of money. The website will walk you through basically a 10-minute,

it's a 10-minute commitment. You make a Bitcoin wallet. Now, it's a mobile hot wallet. It's one that you own and control, but it's not controlled by anyone else. but it's still made on a phone. So I wouldn't put hundreds of thousands of dollars onto it. Put a couple thousand bucks up to on there.

No problem. It then walks you through how to make a Bitcoin well account, how to send an e-transfer and have the Bitcoin sent directly to the wallet that you just made. And then it walks you through what to do when you want to protect that stuff. What happens if you send $100 every month for two years? And now it's like, oh my goodness, I've got thousands of dollars, you know, protected by only my phone. Maybe I want to upgrade and it kind of prepares you for that next step.

But really, the first step, don't think about it as I'm investing 10% of my net worth into Bitcoin. Think of as as, I'm going to throw 50 bucks at Bitcoin to learn. And if that's all you ever did, if the worst case, because if you follow a guide, even loosely follow a guide and you're very diligent in protecting the things that we tell you to protect. Don't take a picture of your password. Don't send your password, you know, to your grandma, to your mom or to your dad. You know, don't, don't put it online for everyone to see. Like, if you're just reasonably smart with your credentials, we'll call them to your Bitcoin wallet,

the worst case scenario is you're going to have 50 bucks of Bitcoin and you're going to know a little bit more. And I think that's a pretty good spot to be for everyone, for anyone. And generally speaking, what will happen is you'll say, hey, that wasn't so bad. What's the next step. What's the step after? What's the step after? And then eventually end up like me sitting in Sean Newman podcast studio. You're rapping about how the, you know, Bitcoin brought you the closer to the God and you're talking about why the money sucks. But I think that the place to start is always small. And if you don't want to use like the Bitcoin well guide, because, you know, there's some incentives there. Like we want to sell you Bitcoin at the end of the day. Then go on to YouTube,

BTC sessions. I think you know Ben. Ben, well, Ben was on. He spoke at your, at your forum. Yeah. He's dynamite. He is, like, outstanding resource. Very, very, very, very thorough. I actually don't think he's the best place to start because he is so thorough. It's a one and a half hour video

taking you through every nook and cranny of a wallet and of an app and stuff. From my perspective, make a Bitcoin wallet. Buy $20, $100,000. And then, you know, from there, send it to your, like, make a second wallet and send it, send it there and back. Have your spouse make a wallet and send it to them and then have them send it back.

How about your kids? How about your brother? Like, whatever. Find someone that you trust and do it with them. I think there's power in community. And I think that learning about ways to protect your value over generations is probably one of the strongest things you can do with your immediate family members. I've appreciated you coming in. And I'm like, well, now that it's happened once, the next time, because we're going to wait until it's done.

but the next time we'll be in the new studio. We'll get to have some fun out there. And I'll look forward to, somebody just texted me this morning, actually, that I should do a Bitcoin roundtable. And I'm like, well, yeah, we can pull that off. That'd be awesome. But I'm not going to do it until I'm in the new studio. Get the studio.

I'm going to get it. Like, I'm trying not to hold off on great ideas until I have the new studio, but I'm like, it'll be so much better in the new studio. Yeah. That when it comes and happens, well, I've appreciated this conversation. I'm glad Toby kept poking me to get this. Yeah, man. And now the still is broken.

So, you know, the drive isn't as scary. Everything's like looking up. I've got a studio in Eminson, too. You can swing by. We can do one there. So I'm all game. It's been a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much.

And definitely recommend that everyone just get off zero. Learn a little bit about Bitcoin, buy a little bit of Bitcoin. And one more time, where can they go? Yeah. So if you want to learn more about Bitcoin, I think Bitcoin. well.com slash start is the best place to start. Bitcoinwell.com slash learn. We actually developed an entire curriculum

in partnership with Athabasca University. And so you can go and learn about Bitcoin in our sixth curriculum course. And that's an amazing spot to start. If you're kind of like, I don't want to throw 20 bucks of this thing until I learn a bit more. Don't want to throw 20 bucks.

It's funny to me because I'm like, I just think how much money I've pissed away in my lifetime on stupid things. Yeah. It's funny that we'll spend $20 on two drinks, but not on Bitcoin because it might disappear.

It's like, what did the drinks? Literally you piss them out. So I don't know that there's just a weird societal brain clog happening. There's mental gymnastics happening where people won't spend $20 bucks about Bitcoin. But that's where the world is.

And so, yeah, if you want to learn more and deep dive, Bitcoinwrel.com slash learn. And if you just want to start, you want to jump in, $20,000, 100 bucks. the platform is literally designed and set up to make it as easy as possible. So, Bickwamble.com slash start guides you all through. It's very simple.

Or just hit me on Twitter. Adam O'Brien underscore on Twitter. And yeah, we'll help you out. Cool. Appreciate you coming and doing this. Thanks, man. It's been a pleasure.