Shaun Newman Podcast - #880 - E.M. Burlingame

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

EM Burlingame is an author, green beret, and currently is a Senior Research Fellow at the National Foundation for Integrative Medicine where he founded and leads the Jason Dawson and Stewart McGurk Brain Health Research Fellowship.To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionWebsite: www.BowValleycu.comEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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research fellow at the National Foundation for Integrative Medicine. I'm talking about EM Burlingame, so buckle up, here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by EM Burling game. EM, thanks for coming back. Yeah, thanks for having me back. I didn't offend enough

the first time, obviously. Well, you know, you, the whole civilization talk, I found fascinating. You know,

like, and obviously my audience found it just as fascinating because they, you know, it lit up the text line. And, you know,

it was just an interesting way of looking at things. And when you're trying to figure out how things are going, having an interesting perspective, especially a different interesting perspective, I might add, come in, it just adds, huh, hadn't thought about it that way.

Now, we didn't get to a whole bunch of things. And so there's two things. I want to start with the great game, and then the Sport of Kings. And I just want you to explain it in, well, simple terms, what you mean by those two, and so people can understand where we're going. Yeah, so start with,

the easy stuff, I guess, huh? Early in the morning out here. You know, most people talk to great game, right? It's a common known thing that, you know, the neocons or whatever the hell we call them now are all engaged in the great game. Try to manipulate and control the world through, you know, geopolitical, political machinations and BS. You know, it's color revolutions and coups and that kind of theory.

you know where you keep Russia ringed by chaos we've got a second minkinder which is keep Saudi Arabia ringed by chaos you know which is what is Saudi Arabia that's the heart of Islam Mecca and theina so we got a McKinner strategy there which is why we're perpetual war in the Middle East that's the great game it's it's it's estrogen based warfare it's just constant conflict constant chaos constant, you know, machinations. It's to maintain control through ruthless, murderous, passive-aggressive warfare. It's to enslave.

So folks kind of, you know, there's people write on the great game, it's, you know, etc. But the counter to that throughout history, and the great game's always been with this, right? It's, as I wrote in the Eternal War, that's the resentfuls. It's about 30% of the population, some subset of, you know, and it's not just playing out overseas, it's playing out in our own communities, right? It's playing out in our own country, our own communities. It's playing out the school board. The Great Games constantly being played out. It's this estrogen, you know, this attempt by the estrogens at control through means other than strength because they don't have the physical strength.

They don't have the strength of logic, etc. They have a motive-based strength. Okay, and the sport of kings. So the sport of kings historically is the counter. It's the sport of kings is how do you live enmeshed and embroiled in that where you're beset by threats from within and without always against you and your family. And how do you plot a course for yourself and your people that keeps the, great game from enslaving and genociding everybody. And that's an unbelievably complex and difficult

space in which to operate. And it takes a fundamentally skilled and fundamentally experienced. And, you know, this is alpha-based leadership. You know, I wrote a book called Starring for Leadership. And one of the sections in there is alpha-based leadership, right? It's, you know, if you look at, you know, people go alpha, you know, most of what they mistake for alphas are A-types. That's not an alpha in, you know, in nature and social animal species. The alpha is usually pretty damn cold, pretty mellow. It's paying attention to everything.

It's keeping all this crazy shit from going too far. The whole time, you know, he's the one up there that everybody's trying to take down. We've lost the sport of kings. In the English, back to the civilizational conversation we had last, 340 years ago, well, more than that, we'd be heading King Charles I first in what, 1649, 1600s, mid-1600s. In the English-speaking world, we haven't had anybody who's been able to play the sport of kings except for here and there for a very long time.

And now we're all enslaved, tax debt and wage slavery. We're enslaved right down to the level of ourselves to the pharmaceutical industries and healthcare. They're mutilating kids' genitals. Right? I just put a piece up on substack that I wrote this morning before we got on here. You know, so in this age of no kings, right, no princes. We don't need any princes down with princes. The only thing we have left is the great game.

And right now it's pushing us to the very edge of nuclear war in the Middle East. You know, I'm reminded of two things when you bring up alphas, right? Alpha, you know, is usually the calm one. Yeah. But is also the one you don't want to, you don't want to see lose its crap. And there's a video with, hmm, it's a lion. And is it, is it Christopher, Christopher, man, what am I spacing on here? What's the actor's name?

He's got a great voice. Welcome. Yeah. Christopher walking isn't it chris for walking he's talking about the jackals and they come in and I can't do the voice but you know and the lion's getting nipped and he and he's not doing anything you know what you know I always caught I brought it up with you the first time on the godfather yes and it just reminds me all over again right who's the lion who's the alpha was Michael Corleon okay and so you look at today's world you look at today's world and you go is Trump the is he the alpha yes or is Putin the Alpha. Because Putin certainly seems like an alpha. He's been getting nipped. You think both are? They both are. They're just at different stages

in the cycle of restoring the balance between the sport of Kings and the Great Game. We're only starting here, and it may not succeed. The last time we had somebody here in the United States, specifically, you know, the Western World, who tried to. They assassinated him, and that was Kennedy. Eisenhower was a bit, but he never

was never in the same kind of conflict that, you know, Trump. Trump's embroiled in here. Where Trump is right now, it's in the same place in position Putin was back in the early 2000s. The difference is we have social media, and we have this massive rapid informational warfare cycle going on. And Trump has to remain in that.

He has to operate within that constant, ever-present. The way the estrogen's work, fight is primarily with words. And so he's got to make maintain the check and balance and all of this inside that space, while it also has to mask what his real intentions are because those could rapidly be turned against or prevented. Meanwhile, we're not at war. We're not openly at war in Russia. We backed away from that.

So far, we haven't, you know, we haven't bunker buster bombed with American planes and American assets. get on, I'd say on the whole, he's doing a pretty good job. Yeah. I cannot believe I say this every time. But, you know, because I don't know the man. I don't live in his country. He could be the worst leader knowing the humankind.

But from the outside looking in, the way Putin gets attacked, he reminds me of the lion sitting on the ground. And, you know, but everybody calls him weak. Like, I mean, literally, you know, I was just listening to the news here in Alberta the other day. And they were talking about, you know, increasing the world. the funding and we're going to defeat them and I'm like are you people serious like have you know now in fairness I haven't been over there I haven't been sitting in Russia and looking

everything right I just I continually did just listen to people and watch what he does and every time he gets attacked every time you think he should lose his crap you just it's just like he's on the ropes he's Muhammad Ali and he just nope I'll take another one no I'll take another one you have no idea you're about to go down because I'm about to hit you with one too but it's wild to me when i watch trump on the other hand and it's probably because of the social media it's probably because of the the warring factions you just it seems like he can't he's trying to put out a fire with a with a with a pail of water so let's go back to i fundamentally agree with what you just said of both cases all right let's go back to the civilizational conversation there's

something that putin has that trump doesn't and that is that putt has an entire russian civilization behind him. As long as Putin operates within what his people believes is the Russian civilization and in ways that are in defense of the Russian peoples, the Russian-speaking peoples, not all of which looked like me, right? I'm not Russia, by the way, I'm Scottish and English, but you know what I mean, right? There's Turkmenistanis, there's Kazakhstanis, there's, right? There's all these ethnic peoples, right? The Cheshyns, the Frickin daghstanis, et cetera. There's a lot of them. There's As long as he operates within the bounds of Russian civilization and acts and conducts himself as a Russian on behalf of the Russian civilization and state and republic, he's got the back

of millions and millions and millions of people who quite literally pick up arms of people. And they are in the war. Trump doesn't have that because we've been, again, by the estrogens, the estrogens, and their great game denied the recognition of ourselves as a civilizational people. So anything that he does, people are trying to figure out what's the context in which this is happening. Why is he saying, you know, there's no historical context, there's no greater overarching mission and agenda and objective that we're trying to do, which is preserve our civilization and our peoples. That was done on purpose because that's how the great game,

dominates and prevents anybody from being able to actually effectively wage the sport of kings, which is their only counter. And if the common man thinks he's the counter, he can go fuck off because under common man's watch, how many hundreds of millions have been killed by their own governments? No kings ever done that. Never even come close. How many people have been, you know, enslaved the taxes, wages, and debt, no king's been able to accomplish that. How many children are had genially mutilated, you know, in the honor of trans or hopped up on hormones that just destroy them for life?

That's child sacrifices. How many kings have done that? That's all happened under the, you know, under the age of the common man. Get the fuck out of here. Okay. Putin has the backing of civilization. Yeah. Can handle that.

To me, when you're pushed into a rock and a hard place, which it feels like you've had, you know, close to a hundred, well, a little under 100 years of like, not great. So you've seen how bad humanity can get. Oh, they're trying to wipe out your civilization. A hundred years of trying to wipe out. And then you have the fall of, you know, like you have the 90s and the U.S. comes in and all these different companies and they're pilfering you. I feel like if you're a people living there and you're like, okay, well, we've done it that way. That ain't working. And now you've got Putin.

He's starting to speak away. And what happens? The entire world says, no, you're not allowed to do that. We're going to come knock you out. So now you can just, you know, we just finished the NHL playoffs. I was watching the Florida Panthers. I wanted to hate him. I'm a diehard oil fan.

But, you know, I was just saying, like, they were fun to watch. Like, you could just see, like, the heart of the games got, Florida Panthers were, one, one just like they just came tighter and tighter and there was no break in them. And they were just, they were good. It was fun to watch. And when I look at Russia, I'm like, hey, you can keep saying all this stuff. But I'm like, then you got to try and go fight them. And I don't know, maybe I'm completely wrong, you know, like maybe, maybe Russians, sorry folks, sorry, sorry about to say, maybe they were pussy's back in the day.

I don't know. But now from every military I talked to, a military man that I talk to, as they go along and they keep fighting and they keep fighting and they keep. rotating in new fighters. What do you think that makes them? Fets, tough vets that have seen combat action and that's what you want. Like, okay, so this is going down, this is going down the wrong road for that. Now, you can hop in. I'm, I'll keep my question. No, no, no, I was just going to say, no, no, no, the Chet, you know, we tried to color revolution and coup them, terrorists them with the Chesdians twice. Not only did they end that our terrorists used war in there, a great game.

But the Chesnes are now some of the greatest special operation soldiers in the Russian army and are die-hard, loyal Russians. So, the question I'm the question I'm trying to get to is if Trump doesn't have it, how does he get it?

And I, I, I'm sitting there as I ask it going, because I don't think any of us want to go through 80 years of, absolute awfulness and color revolution attempts and we can certainly get into that and you know like just on and on and on i mean we're already living uh parts but how does the english civilization figure it stuff up so that you can just go back your guy and and figure this stuff out and do it faster than maybe any civilization has done in history so that is another great question right

And it is the question. So first off, primary to that is we have to remember that we are a civilizational people. And we need to go back and study that going all the way back to Alfred the Great. In the 800s, it really is father, his grandfather Eckbert in the 700s. We need to look at the dooms of Alfred, the Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights. What comes out of that is the U.S. Constitution. We need to look at how all of these things have been fought out. How many times the Great Game has been used against us.

How many times we've been invaded. How many times, you know, William the Conqueror comes over. He doesn't wipe us out. He winds up becoming more English than the English. And he codifies all this even much more precisely, much more distinctly. The nobility, yes, the Anglo-Saxons, sorry guys. but got the ass kicked and most of them wiped out. But the Norman lords became more English than the Anglo-Saxons had been.

So we've been through all of this before. Look at how Russia's been through. Look what China's been through. Look what Iran's been, you know, Persia. We need to stop colony of Iran. It's Persia. Look what the Persians have been through. How did they make it through?

Right. How did their society and civilization sustain quite despite every bit of great game assets and efforts from within and outside set against them. We're an astounding people. We've got incredible literature. We've got incredible art. We have incredible history. We've done incredible things in the world.

And in some ways, quite despite the estrogens and their constant, you know, resentful wording, we're still doing extraordinary things. right the world is actually really rather astounding except for the fact that we were not countering the worst of our own people which is small number but unfortunately they're so active right and what are they active against primary okay so i want to give you an example it's a long-winded answer because i don't know that i exactly have the answer right but i want to give you an example of what i'm articulating and maybe the answer's in there The no Kings March was not an accident.

What do they fear the most? Right, resentfuls only have three tools in their toolbox, right? These estrogens, projection, projecting upon you what they are and what they're doing. Transferrence, you know, getting other people to transfer what the resentfuls, the estrogens are doing onto you. And isolation, once they can do that, either project upon you or get others to transfer,

you know, the worst behaviors on to you, then they can isolate you. So you got to counter all of that. Well, what's the thing that they fear them most? They told us, king. Well, what's a king? King's a strong man. King's an alpha. King's testosterone.

That's what they fear their most. So they're either going to project upon you their worst behaviors as if it's you doing it. Or if they can't do that because that's not working, they will project their fear upon you. And they'll tell you exactly what their deepest fear is. And their deepest fear is the return of a great man. Sticking with kings for a second. Yeah.

I don't know if this is Hollywood that's done this. It's possible. Probably. But it has been baked into our society that a king is a bad thing, isn't it? Yes. Like you do not want a king. In saying that, there's some, there's some stories. There's some stories, you know, I think of maybe Lord of the Rings at the end.

Aragon gets crowned and it's, you know, it's the return of the strong man, as you'd point out. And certainly there are stories in Hollywood about a respected king, but it's usually the tale of the drunk or the molester or the terrible, the tyrant and how much better democracy is. Yes. You think there's any convincing the population that a return to Kings is in their best interest? There's this guy Curtis Yarvin out there. He talks this. He's been talking it for years. I've only seen a couple things of his.

I don't necessarily agree with his over-academic lower testosterone level of way of presenting it. But I do respect his thinking and his thoughts. the matriarchs have to see it and I think they're starting to because the matriarchs are the ones who control the assets and more importantly because they control the assets they control the incentive structures and if they change and modify and adapt the incentive structures the populace will follow and how did they do that what's the same you know how did Putin get elevated how does he get elevated? How did the Ayatollah get elevated? They didn't strong man their way there. They would be killed early on. So it's not that the common people have some, you know, revelation. I'm going to

hate to say this, but the common man, common man is usually useless, usually. However, the common man, as I wrote in the piece this morning, is the balance, right? They are the counter. Right? The common man is supposed to be both the shield of a good king and the greatest danger to a bad king. Let's stop. I feel when it comes to speaking of the common man, I feel like maybe they're easy to lull to sleep, all of us, including myself sitting here, right? Easy to lull the sleep. And right now today, where we sit,

You know, you're trying, okay, this is going to be a fun example. Hopefully I can explain it. Coaching U-9 baseball. And the first year of U-9 baseball, we want every kid to play. And we want every kid to understand the rules of the game. We want every kid to run the bases, and we want every kid to just be a part of it. So we don't have outs. We go through the batting order.

Pass balls, we don't let them run. You hit a home run. Sometimes they let you hit the home run. Sometimes they just get it first because they want, you know, they just want to and it takes more time to explain the made up rules than it does to play the game and you can tell the parents are confused the kids are confused i'm confused okay you get to where we're at now in society and you're trying to convince me that a boy can be a girl that makes no sense and and and yet we're supposed to act like that's that's yeah that's punished if we don't in in canada we

made where you know you should be able to choose when you die you're like what like i'm i'm not here trying to harp on the 99 year old that's got stage 4 cancer but you start talking about mature minors being able to take their own life that's called eugenics folks and that's messed up called genocide yes we're talking about men competing against women in sports it's like didn't we just fight give women their own sports we're talking about you know like all these things that do not make sense. And so the common people are trying to rationalize it in their brain. White privilege. The fact that now, you know, you got all these, this, I can literally go on and on and on and on in society. And so what you get is kind of the same thing. The kids are confused. The parents are

confused. The politicians are confused. They're just like, yes. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to go along with this. And aren't we getting to a point? So this year, I fast forward to this year in Un9 Ball, where we just started implementing the rules and have there been a few tears? Absolutely. But wouldn't you know it? Kids are engaged. Parents are paying attention because there's an actual game being played. The coaches know what's going on. So, you know, maybe you're not winning every game, which sucks. That's not fun. But at least there's a game being played. And when you talk about this this sport of kings i hate to oversimplified into baseball but i'm like you know i had a smart man once upon a time when i was only talking to athletes em back in the day said you know hockey

mirror society and sports mirror society we're trying to be like this everything to everyone doesn't make any sense that's not the way the world works you can't you can't do these that doesn't make any sense and with trump in particular people can dislike him but he just hits things directly head on and and then they attack him for it and if you pay attention when he because it's like that doesn't make any sense why are they doing that yeah and if you don't pay attention then you can be you can be misguided but that's been the play uh for a very long time if you are paying attention trump is a throwback or maybe has never been a throw it maybe there's just never been politicians in our system like it, where he goes outside of it.

And I think you're seeing there's a hunger for that return of like, no, boys do not compete against girls. And when you look across the pond, they're already ahead of us there. Now, they're behind us in some cases. So this return to the Kings, the sport of Kings. So I guess if I dumb it down to the simplest way in my life, which is UN-I and baseball, I really get it. And I feel like all you need is a leader to start speaking that way.

and all of a sudden, everybody will like nod in their head. Yep, I'm tuned in now. That makes sense. So here, okay, so wonderful, wonderful. I say, you know, the calming man is normally useless, right? When it comes to the great game, because you can't counter that. You can do exactly what you're doing at your local levels. You can just say, well, we're not doing that here.

Right? I've known people of pretty much every staff. in Madison life from royals to common people and all these people in the middle all over the world. And I'll say something that if I also look back at history, the common man and the king are really alike in healthy kingdoms. And that doesn't mean the kings, you know, he's living in his space and his domain and he's got to keep all this from, you know, et cetera.

But when it comes to the civilization, the culture, the norms, the what is accepted and what is not, the motivations, the common person and the nobility are very, very much alike. It's all of this middleware, all of this operational layers we say in the military, right? All of the estrogens, all the great game players in your local community and they're in the next. nation-state level who are something different. They're just in this estrogen logic space. They're living in their own realities. And most of those are artificial. They're constructs. But the two classes of people that are living in reality, even though they might be living substantively different economically, you know, socioeconomically are the people at the very top and the common man. And it's all this middle layer assholes to keep the common man and the

king from being able to come together to recognize that, right? To be able to see that, oh, wait, wait, Trump, however, is using social media to do that very thing, to cut through all of the, you know, shielded, protective, you know, translation layers between him and what he says and the common man. The common man can read it on true social or X in minutes, right? Yeah. And I want to use the British crown as an example. the British crown has been owned and controlled, the English crown, has been owned and controlled since the 1680s. Everything that comes out of there is carefully crafted. Everything to keep king and people apart.

And they're also threatened because they've got Praetorian and House Pretorian problems. You don't think for a second there's been an English monarch since 1888 that hasn't had a knife to the throat of his kids every minute of the day. by their owners and keepers, right? But it has been my experience around the world that great leaders, not just kings, but the warlords and princes in their areas, etc. And they're not all titled. I don't mean it that way. But people who live and function and think at that level are very much like their people.

And most of them that I've met really care about their people because they get them. it's all the management layers, right? This managerial class, it's all this parasitic class. It's all the fucking gatekeepers who prevent, you know, who keep the common people in this place of no princes by keeping the people and the prince from seeing and knowing one another and realizing, oh, hey, we're all, this is our world, this is our community, this is our civilization, this is our culture.

We live this every minute of the day, and we want to sustain it. And that prince is going to battle with all this managerial class people. He's going to war with the Eastergens. He's going to war with the great game players. And he's pretty good at it. We can do our part locally. And if he ever is in real trouble, we'll come to us.

We'll get his back game players. For as long as the king doesn't have that, which no English kings had since, you know, before Cromwell. The last one got beheaded. We've never had it here. Well, I mean, Washington and, you know, Eisenhower, and there's been a few presidents, but Kennedy was killed. We didn't do fuck all.

We're 60 years on. We still haven't done anything. Then they went and killed his brother. We didn't do fuck all, right? So. You think, yeah, so you said, forgive me, because I, you sucked me down my train of thoughts while I was listening to it. The common man is useless at the great game.

It's something like that. Yeah. But if I bring it back, and I guess this is going to be my thought of the day, folks, if I bring it back to Unine Baseball and not making up rules so that the game doesn't make sense, then the common man, which would be the parents in that scenario, are disengaged because they're like, well, the kids are getting to play, I guess, you know. And they're not being abused. They're out there and they're getting to throw the ball.

And it's kind of like there's something going on. And when I look at what's going on in our democracy right now, or you're a republic, at times as the common man can you blame them for being useless and being like this is stupid doesn't you know so tired of this and yet yes that is probably by design because if you ever get a great man to have the people push them then you get Donald Trump do you not oh no no no hang on a second hang up moment we had the civil king that was Kennedy right we had we had the civil polite upper crust king they killed him we did nothing nothing we're 60 years on nothing right trump comes along we realize civil kings don't work in american society because the

honest truth is the english and i love us for it we're pub brawers by nature we like to brawl we like to throw down that includes the irish the scots the welsh the ink we're we're pub brawlers you don't come talk to us all kinds of fancy words bullshit because everybody who's tried to focus over the centuries has always come and talk real nice and polite with really neat words that's not us that's not the english the english like to throw down in a bar because somebody said something stupid and then we realize oh you didn't mean it that way now i realize a drink right now i realize now i realize why I don't like politicians? Because that's why they talk.

That's why they talk. They come in. You know? Try and sweet talking. You're like, what are you doing? You're too polished. Stop it. You should be missing a tooth.

You should. I wrote one of the, sorry, terribly sorry. No, no, no. You want to be in a man. One of the rules is that civility is a, is a lie. It is a murderous genocidal lie. And Klausowitz talked about this a couple hundred years ago, right?

He said the reason we have wars, is because of civility. Because civil societies, where civility is elevated to, you know, the highest principle to be adhered to, which you wind up with is pure evil, all spoken, you know, everywhere all the time, just abuse, usury, evil, but it's also well articulated. And it's also civil and polite. And the only way to counter it is bloodshed. Klauswitz said this.

That's a brilliant thought. It's almost like it shouldn't go that way, right? Being civil should never leave to war. And yet, if you just don't address the bloody problem, you eventually get to insanity, which turns into bloodshed. Correct. Correct. So I want to go back to the bar, right?

We English, you know, where did the American Revolution start? Revolution, was a really revolution. But where did the American Civil War start in pubs? Where were the Marines founded in a pub? Marines were founded in a pub? Yeah, Tons Tavern. I don't know if I knew that. Yeah, I'm not a Marine, but it's Tons Tavern, 1775, or whatever it was.

I can't remember. Sorry, Marines, crayon eaters. I got a couple of my own family. Did you call them crayon eaters? Yeah. In the Army, we had. have MREs they get the 64-pack Quran boxes. We English are brawlers, right?

We work out our differences in a fist fight. And then sometimes we realize, oh shit, I'm wrong. I was wrong. Not because I lost the fight. I might have won the fight, you know, the fist fight that night. But then I realized, oh shit, I didn't understand what he said. I took it wrong. And then what do I do?

do I get him up off the floor, we dust each other off. We go have a fucking pot, you know, a pint. And we're good. And maybe I lose the next fight because, you know, maybe I was wrong or maybe somebody misunderstood. And then we dust off and we go. That's testosterone, right? That's a testosterone civilization. What happens? We didn't sit there and stew on it. We didn't, you know, use civil words and apologize and make amends and then figure out how how the hell I was going to stab that, you know, get somebody to stab that guy in the neck one night from behind. Right? Or how I was going to destroy it and get my attorneys to mount some legal case and destroy them using lawfare. No, we fucking punched it out in the bar. Some other folks kept it from getting out of hand, or it turned into all-out bar fight. I fit in those before, those are kind of fun, right? But that's English. It's uniquely English. Now I'm going to tell you another people, it's also uniquely the same, and it's the Russians. The Russians are very much the same.

They're a little more rude than we are. The English tend to be a little bit more polite, although some of the worst, some of the most brutal takedowns of people I've ever heard were by Englishmen, by Englishmen who never once said swore, never once said anything. You know what I mean? who've taken this ruthless civility to an art form, which you're going to throw down. But that's the point, right? The point is our kings, our great English kings and princes were also brawlers. Only they brawled on the battlefield. They brawled in the court against these fucking estrogens and their great game.

they brawled with each other to make sure that, you know, bad princes didn't take control of everything. They're brawlers just like us. There's a scene. Keith Ledger, right? May he rest in peace. I loved his acting. He did the movie, the Knights Tales. You ever watched that?

Yep, Knight's Tale, for sure. The Knights Tale, right? And there's a scene in there where the Black Prince, William, Prince William the 4th, I think it was. I can't remember the name exactly, but you know the Black Prince, right?

The Black Prince is drinking, he's in incognito and he's, you know, and Heath Ledger's character gets put in the stocks. I think it was put in the stocks or whatever. You've been found out for not being a knight. And what does the Black Prince do? Well, the Black Prince respects that. hell out of it because he's a jouster, right, a bit of a brawler. And historically he was. He was

brilliantly good at war and at fighting the great game, both. He recognizes this brawler, this capable brawler in Heath Ledger's character. And when the people were about to tear him down or kill him or stony or whatever, Prince comes up and says, well, hey, you know what we found out that he's actually nobility and you know what I mean it was respect from one high level brawler to another lower level brawler I see you I get you right we've lost all that that's testosterone's right I don't think we've lost all that I think I think I think you know because I you know as you're talking I'm like no wonder I get along with military guys so well right Coming from hockey, there's, you know, especially, you know, further you go on hockey, there's this, there's this, there's this, um, respect. I mean, listen, I have disliked a lot of guys I've played against, right? We have went to your own type of war. I hate to use war because it's not, it's just not the same. Nobody's dying, right? All out. Yeah. But there is a level of respect between combatants that is so unique. My wife has talked about it a lot. She's like, how can you sit in a bar?

afterwards with a guy you just went at it with and even buy him a beer and I'm like well actually you know when I really like what I really disliked somebody the way to sew peace was to buy him a beer like you know don't have to like you you know but I can respect that you're trying to win just as much as I am and we can sit here and have this this thing for the next 20 years or we could just yeah here have a beer sit down and usually the guy that I hate the most on the other side is one of the funnest guys is sitting and have a beer with right like because they they think the game like you do yes yeah and so i would you know it's clever oh they're clever the the the the you know how we've gotten to where we are is clever like you know it's it's almost romanticizing how we've got here

but you think about it's like well you know it's like it isn't there no it is there i i just watch Donald Trump win. Yep. And, you know, they're calling, oh, it's the redneck voter that came out. It's like, really? Yeah, is there, are they in there? Oh, sure. Sure they are. But I watched military men. Are we calling all military men rednecks? Are we calling all these athletes? Are we calling all these different men, women, you know, young adults, all rednecks? Because they voted for Trump. How many of the software engineers in Silicon Valley who voted for Trump. How about, right, then elsewhere? I think it's just clever on how they've made it

seem like it's gone, right? Because you make it seem like it, but it's not. It's like it's, you know, right here in Alberta right now, there is a movement for independence. Okay. Now, folks, I can't sit here and say that the referendum is going to happen at X date. I can't say what the outcome is going to be, but what I can comment on is real. It's real and how many people are showing Lots. So if lots of people are showing up, it isn't that it's gone. It's that they want to make it seem like it's gone. And so how do they do that?

Well, they demonize it in the media. You know, the political actors, you know, I look at the premiers of Alberta, well, Premier of Alberta, Premier Smith. It's a statesmanship game. Can't come out and say, we're, you know, like, that's a tough thing to do, right? That might, as everyone around me in politics says, that'd be political suicide. Okay. So there's a game to be played there where you can do certain things. She's playing and the other powers are playing the sport of kings against the great game out of Ottawa.

And so the common man can't fall into the trap of stabbing their king in the back, so to speak. Correct. Yes. Correct. And everything that the Eastergens will do is to try and drive them to that. This is what, you know, I'm taking a break from Twitter right now, one, for my own freaking sanity and two, because I'm seeing some things and some people that's like, wait a second, that guy's an asset. And that rather disappoints me because I like them, right? But it also now fundamentally changes the nature of our relationship, right, our banter, et cetera. And then I actually do have businesses I have to run. Sure. Investments and other things. And it's summer and I've got a teen daughter. Well, and you know, as people listen to this, me and E.M recorded this. I hate to say this because, but my audience knows, right? In July, I pre-record a bunch of episodes so that I can put them out and I can go spend some time with my wife and kids.

I think it is very, very healthy. You everyone should unplug from the social universe of X and Instagram and Facebook and whatever else you get sucked into and just be where your feet are and enjoy the people around you. It's very important. As I like to say, sniff scotch, touch grass, and ass. Oh. I'm not drinking right now, E.M. I haven't drank a single thing in 2025. I would love to say it was just like a New Year's resolution.

It wasn't. It was something I've wrestled with from, well, for it'd be seven years. I've thought about it for seven years, finally took the plunge. It's been a very interesting experience. you know, to not be. Yeah, I didn't drink for seven years at one point. It was interesting years. What set you off to not drink for seven years?

One, I was trying to be a professional triathlete, and so part of it was just the sports. But it was, I was working as a, you know, had a security and a big bar. And I was watching the behavior. I was watching alcoholism. I was watching, this is back in the 90s. And I just said, you know what? I want to try and approach this sober. I want to try and approach this with a different mind. I'm a contrarian by nature, right? So whatever everybody else is doing,

I'm not an asshole, though, that's like, well, they're doing that. I'm going to go do that. That's not what I mean. Right. But I don't know. It was just something said, hey, you know what, you need to go sober for a while. You need to live in that. that world, you need to be, and it's going to take some time, and you need to see the world completely alcohol-free. And I've never been a heavy drinker. That's not to say that it hasn't been times I drank heavily. Yeah. Yeah. But I've never been a, you know, heavy regular drinker, etc. But I look back on those seven years, which aren't so very long ago, and I'm grateful for it. What did seven years of sobriety teach you?

Alcohol is a great way for people to overcome social anxiety and to be able to commune and communicate with one another. However, it is a neurological depressant, meaning it reduces neurological activity and synaptic firing, et cetera, and thereby accepting in some rare cases also reduces down informational processing capacities. So you're living in a more social but less information-rich world. And if you really want to know and understand how the world works, and I mean really works, and all that, across those seven elements, sobriety's going to have to play a part of that because you're going to need to spend at least five years, you know, Gladwell's 10,000 hours or whatever,

you're going to have to spend about five years in deep study and contemplation and thought, and even a single drink can throw you off because it changes neuronal firing. So when I look at alcohol, now, now later, right, when I've come back to it later, and again, I still don't drink a whole lot, and now I'm really, only drink quality scotch or wine here and there. Even now, if I have a glass sometimes, if I'm careful as the right time, et cetera, it can put me in a state to where I can understand things more socially.

But if I'm trying to work out some complex financial thing for business, or I'm trying to work out some nuance in some market somewhere, et cetera, or some difficult issue for a client, I can't drink at all. It'll throw me off for at least hours, if not, a couple of days, and that subconscious is working, right? The default boat network is working, and I can't throw that off.

You know, when I do that, I was just, I pulled up the calculator because I'm like, I hadn't really thought of not drinking as the 10,000 hour thing. I'm like, well, that's in it. That's in it, you know, because I'd look at podcasting. The reason why I, you know, well, not the only reason why. There's lots of reasons why, but one of the reasons I push so hard to have an episode every day is the 10,000 hour rule. I'm like, if I want to become a good host,

if I want to start to understand something, you know, it's no different than playing hockey. If you play hockey once a month, how good can you really get? How good Connor McDavid actually really get folks? Now, I think there's also a balance in that. You can't play hockey 24 hours a day because, I mean, then you wear yourself out. You may hurt yourself. Right. balance. If you do a year, 365 days, and you attack on every single hour as an hour of being sober, it's just under 9,000 hours. So that would mean that just over a year, you're going to be at a 10,000 hour mark.

And if you tack on five years, actually what you're saying is it's more like 48,000 hours. If you were to equate every hour to that. But in fairness, I guess if you break it in, you know, you're only in, social settings if you're not an alcoholic right you're a social drinker now you could see where the 10,000 hours you start adding up all the times you have to confront where you want to have a beverage yes and having to deal with that you know one of the first things that I found difficult this year was socially interacting and it wasn't the people drinking it was me yeah it was like I felt uncomfortable like and it was it was something and it took about three months and then I just got used to it now I now I'm like oh it's really interesting to just go and you know we just went to a wedding didn't bother me one iota and somebody said aren't you going to be awkward out there dancing I'm like if the only thing separating me from dancing is one beverage man I am a weak individual and I'm not talking to anyone listening I'm talking to myself yeah and so what did I do I forced myself go dance because I like dancing I love dancing with my wife it's and in our society

That's something that's quickly disappearing. You know, how many, you know, you listen to the old timers. And they used to have a dance. If it wasn't once a week, it certainly was once a month. Now, you know, like, I don't even know. Well, I guess I get to dance at a wedding. I don't know of another setting where I get to go dance. It was so in my own lifetime.

And when I was late 18, we had a movie called Footloose. I mean, dancing was such a big part of us that made a whole movie about, it being denied and how important was, et cetera. I love the dance. So back to the, I want to go back to the thing about the 10,000 hours because I pull this off. Yeah, yeah. So what, I respect the journey you're on. Be interesting to see in a year where you're thinking and thoughts are.

Two pieces. One, this 90, you know, they say you only use 10% of your brain. That's not true. we use 100% of our brain it's just at most if you have attention networks activated you can only use consciously at your attention wise about 10% of your brain the other 90% is still processing those subconsciously so 100% of the brain is processing computing information all the time right vast amounts of information um the second thing is gladwell's 10,000 hours only gives you first layer mastery and I studied martial arts from the time I was

four years old all the way into my 40s and spent half my life in the Far East there's a concept in martial arts and I'm sure and hockey and etc but there's a saying I can't remember it in Japanese Nihonoh but it's the math the student becomes the the master finally becomes a student, right? And you spend your first, and this actually goes back to the sport of kings and to kings, right? You spend five years in careful conscious study, 10,000 hours of careful conscious study around a set of topics, right? Moves, counter moves, positions, recovery, you know, all these complex things, right? to make you a skilled fighter. You attain first level mastery.

Great. As we say in Special Forces, when you go through selection, you get selected, that's just the first step. Then you've got to get through the qualification course. That's only the second step. This qualification course only prepares you now to learn how to become a Green Beret once you're on a team for the next three years. and it's only once you've been on a team for three years that you finally achieve, you know, second level mastery, right? Or maybe even first.

And then the longer you spend on, the X number of years that you go beyond that, it doesn't need to be 10,000 hours for the next level of mastery. Maybe it's five. And then maybe the next one's 2,000. But you're, you know, so attaining first level mastery only now makes you a true. true student of your craft. There is a reason that we need kings and princes in particular is because they start their 10,000 hours when they're little kids. And by the time they're 12, 15, 16, 17 years old, they're already second degree, maybe third level mastery. And if you want examples of this, look at the princes and kings that went into battle and led the battles, Alexander the Great, at the age of 16. Well, they didn't do that because they were some mystical, magical genius.

No, he'd been training to master the arts of kingship and war and staying alive, you know, all of the shit that the king has to do to survive the great game in his own house and in the world around him, and to conduct warfare, and to lead men, and to earn respect and all and care and love and adoration of the people who support everything because without the people nothing works, right? Nothing happens. There is nothing without the common man. The common man is actually the reason the king exists. It's the reason he plays the sport of kings is the common man, one because they are very similar. But the point being is that you cannot through college and education in advanced schools and not even Ivy League schools teach this.

All you're doing is teaching managerial stuff. You're teaching great game bullshit. Nobility, mastery, right, of the sport of kings and something has to start very early in life. And oh, by the way, it did with Donald Trump. Look how he grew up. Look what he's been involved in. This guy's been conditioned and trained for this since he was just a little kid.

In your journey, how many levels do you think there are then to mastery of of any one particular subject because if I heard that right you go you know they talk about 10,000 hours 10,000 hours is a big popular concept and you're saying that gives you first level mastery of you know I think of being a podcast host okay I got I got the first got the maybe the first level done yeah how many levels do you think there are then or do you know there are. Yeah, it's a great question. I think it matters the complexity of the domain, right? Like there's probably less levels of mastery of asphalt lane, although there are levels of mastery there, right? That's a far more complex, all-told thing that people would think.

that would be different than the levels of mastery of neural surgery, neural surgery, different levels of mastery for hockey, American football, kingship, kingship probably has unlimited levels of mastery, right? The neural surgery probably has nearly unlimited.

So there are fields where there are no, you know, and, you know, and I don't mean to speak for you, but I would suppose that the reason you're being a podcast is because you're trying to understand the world. And there's no limit to the levels of mastery of that. That's, that's infinite. Now, I will articulate now that I'm getting close to my 60s and I understand some of the old masters and some of the elders around me when I was younger and even some much older people today. And studies that are, you know, things that we're discovering and have been discovered, but, you know, we're working across in neuroscience and neurology and then related psychology,

et cetera, is each higher level of mastery does seem to come in, in, in, in, in, sets, right? So you retain first level mastering. Now you're, now you're conditioned to actually become a student of the actual domain in which you're operating. Prior to that, first level mastery is just all the tools, the methodologies, the structures, the, you know, processes, etc. The nomenclature, right? Once you've mastered that, Now you can actually let that go. Got to keep your skills up. And now you can start actually mastering

the domain that you're in. And that tends to come in sets, right? Maybe there's, you know, so you've achieved the first, you've achieved first level mastery. Now you're a student of your craft. There might be two, three, four more layers than this next set of mastery. And the next set of mastery might only have two or three layers.

Right. And then depending on where you take it, You might now get to a, you know, this is a hate Hegel, I hate the Hegelian bullshit, et cetera. And by the way, I really don't like priests and philosophers. But sometimes they articulate something in the way that we can understand, right? So, you know, there's a high, hey, galian, you know, you have, you reach a plateau, then you got a thesis, right? Then there's synthesis. You plateau again.

So to your question, depending on your field, there might be unlimited levels of mastery. But they do tend to come in in I don't know exactly how to articulate it, but they do tend to come in sets. Some of those sets have more layers in them, some have them less, et cetera. And they tend to change as we ate, right? There's this stuff in neurology. Like men, once they start hitting women, it's earlier, men when they, actually it's a little bit later. Men when they start hitting their 40s, mid-40s, neurologically start to change. to leadership, right?

The wiring from fight, right? From fight strength, you know, dominate through strength and superior capabilities to leadership. And once they get into their late 50s, really starts in about their 60s, into their 70s, men start adapting to becoming an elder. And you can see it in neural transmitter differences. You can see it in neural wiring changes, et cetera.

But what is happening is the physiological wiring is adapting to the levels of mastery, right, the types of mastery. informs a master that they now have to, you know, achieve. So it's not a very good answer, but... No, it's a fascinating thought, I guess, is where I said. I'm just, you talked about the nomenclature, you know, and one of the things on this, you know, when I first started,

it was, it was, you know, 90% athletes, I would say. And so part of talking to athletes is that I've lived in that world all my life. So there's no, you know, I was saying to Vince Lanchie when he was on, and maybe it wasn't on, maybe it was after folks. When you get talking about bond markets and things like that, my brain literally goes, I need to just, I just need to understand the definition of a bond because I just, I don't know anything about it. Like I'm about as dumb and green as it comes to that, the financial markets and trying to understand it. It doesn't mean I don't want to understand it. I certainly do. but the effort on this side to keep up with people like that. And if I go back with Tom Luongo and Alex Craneer in particular,

I think they've been on together now 19 or 20 times. And if I go back and listen to the first time, I'm sure I'm like, I have no idea what you guys are talking about. And then Tom and Alex would laugh and they'd slow it down and they'd try and then they got used to me. And so then they would, they would do it before it even asked. They go, okay, well, let's slow this down so that you can understand and his audience can understand. And I'm sure there's a ton of the audience. It's like, I already understand.

Don't slow it down. But for a whole bunch of us, it's like, I'm trying to learn how the great game works. I don't even understand what you're talking about because, you know, for the longest time, I thought governments were good. I thought they had my best interest at heart, right? Like, you know, and EM, you're not the only one who laughs at me like that. Right? Like, I have a lot of moments. respect right but yeah yeah absolutely no no I don't I take no offense to it I I look back at

you know some of the thoughts I you know I was just like I was so programmed for so long I just I didn't even see it you know and it took you know and everybody has their moment yeah yeah some it was 9-11 some it was JFK summit had nothing to do with anything politics where they just saw something like that doesn't make any sense as soon as you see something that doesn't make any sense and you pull on the thread ever so slightly oh no now you just start and it just keeps and you're like oh crap how long is this go and so the the 10,000 hour thing just the beginning just the beginning it's just the beginning and you know it's always put to being you know you'd mentioned you were triathlete correct yeah and and you think understanding your body and how to train it and

all the little things that come with that, you can understand the 10,000 hour rule. And then you can become a very good athlete, especially I think you put 10,000 hours and running triathlons. Man, you'd be a world beater. And for sports, 10,000 hours really translates well if you want to become elite in that sport. Yeah. In this sport, it's almost the price of entry, right? You want to even begin to understand what the heck is going to.

going on, you've got to put some time in. And one of the things I get from you, and I, maybe I'm picking this up wrong, maybe, and I don't think so, is you've all obviously been a student of history. Like you obviously like understanding how we got to where we are. And you've gone back to some of the greats and I assume read them and read some of the things to understand what the heck was going on. Yeah. I have no animus whatsoever towards, but I had a rather well-educated upper-crust mother who was going through horrible fights in her own life, and I had to survive her. And so from the time I was a small child, I'd been trying to understand what makes humans human. And the more, and I've been, this is from the time I was a very small child because I was trying to survive.

I was trying, you know, what does the little boy do with the crazy mother? He tries to please her, right? And he goes and every call all kinds of directions and all kinds of ways and tries to understand and master and learn everything he can so that he can please his mother. But unfortunately, it never works, right? They're going through their own struggles. That's what set me on that path and that journey. The farther I went, right? The farther I realized there was to go.

And I'm 58 years old now. I've been specifically on this path trying to figure out by name, by specific tasking. What does it mean to be human? And I've looked at, oh, I've read thousands and thousands of papers, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of books. I've talked to vast numbers of people, I studied languages, I've done, all these things. And I don't know if I've achieved second degree mastery. You know, the space is so vast.

What I have learned though is that there are some forces that, you know, the very forces that were that had torn my mother and her family apart are the very forces that are happening in society levels and social, you know, civilizational scales. And these things have antecedents that go about. quite some ways. And the...

Forgive me, forgive me, I'm... Antiseedans. Anticidents. Things that preceded them, right? Things that, right, that they are dependent upon, right? That we wouldn't be here if these things hadn't happened. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah. I always enjoy a new word that I haven't heard before, and I've probably heard it somewhere, and I just never give it any credence. Yeah. I grew up without a father. And that's what's happening with our civilization or our society. Our civilized, you know, we are denied recognition of ourselves as a civilizational people. That's what a father does.

This is the family. This is who we are. And he holds you to it from the time you're just a little kid till he passes. And you carry that on. This is who we are. We are this family. This is how we do things in this family. Well, we're missing that at the very top for 300 and somewhat years.

Now, we've had it here and there. But over the last, you know, starting really in the late 1800s, but taking off after World War I, we've had the father removed, quite literally, right? And then that took off in the 1960s with welfare states, you know, these heavy welfare states, et cetera. Well, what does the father also have to do? Not just tell you who the family is and how we do things in this family and then spanking your ass when you get out a line, right? Or otherwise withholding something from you until you learn the lesson. The father goes to battle for the family. It goes to war for it. You know, figuratively,

economically, financially, labor-wise, but also physically, if necessary. And that's also lacking and gone, that defender, that protector, the one who's, you know, playing the small down to your comment about baseball, right? But the small-down version of the sport of Kings is preventing the great game of, you know, the little estrogen is doing estrogen fuckery from damaging the family. as much as the father can do. And that's not always a father. Sometimes, you know, it's, it's, it's testosterone, right?

It's, it's individuals who think logically and structured and who are about sustaining things rather than breaking them all down and controlling them, right? So sometimes it's a matriarch, so I don't necessarily mean, right? It's all males. But what's lacking from society and civilization for about 100. years now and now we're just everything's just chaos. I mean right to the point to where they're pushing us to nuclear war. And they're openly talking about depopulation. And they're not talking about depopulation by a little bit. They're talking like 90% of the populace. Right.

And they're actually moving on it. Why? Because we don't have a king to say, well, Russia does, China does, Persia does. And they're like, yeah, we're not fucking doing that here. We don't have that. You can't just take some guy in an election or some woman in an election and elevate them to that position and expect they're going to be able to fuck all play the sport of kings. They don't understand it. They don't know it. They haven't done even the first 10,000 hours in that domain, much less the, you know, the next 5,000 hours and the 5,000 after that and the 3,000 after that, et cetera. This guy does. You might not like him, right?

He might not be civil. He does a lot of great things, though. Look into his background. Look at how many people that total strangers, that man's helped. Families, people sick, people, problems with finding homes. I mean, that guy's done extraordinary things. Right? He knows how to play the sport of kings.

And we need to not be turning on him right now and being disloyal fucks because the last time we did that, our king was killed and we've all been enslaved since. Right to the point where they're mutilating children's genitals in our own communities. Because Downwood princes. Not to be a Debbie Downer on at 8 o'clock in the morning. No, it's, it's, I don't know what the, you know, the audience will text me. You know, I got this, got this wonderful community that, that's awesome. That is awesome.

That is awesome. You know, well, you know Tom, you know, he comes in and a whole bunch of others, Martin Armstrong, Alex Craneer and just different people who've really impacted my way of looking at the world, right? Because that, you know, and then to have the community there is really cool because they also have impacted the way that I view the world, right? They've, you know, it's surreal to me to meet some of them because in COVID, you know, I was talking nothing sports and then, and then nobody would talk about it. I'm like, why aren't we talking about this? We have to start to talk about things that actually matter here. And I'm trying to piss the bitch off because she's mean and cruel when she's angry. Well, so I started talking about it.

And I have tons of people go up to me and say something along the lines of like, you know, you have. no idea that how much you helped me in COVID. You're a light in the middle of the dark. And I always, you know, I don't know how best, I try to remind them that if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have kept going. You know, it was the texts that were coming in when the world was turning its back on me. It was very uncomfortable. It wasn't for this community that helped support me. I wouldn't be here. So I'm like, it's, it's a relationship that if you don't have one, you don't get the other. And sure, maybe I took a leap of faith into that realm. But if they didn't come, I would have been torn apart by the storm. Yes. So both are needed. Yes. Yes. Very, very good, Sean.

Very, very good. Back to something I said earlier, I've traveled with royals, high level royals, and worked with. I've traveled and worked with billionaires, high level billionaires, with one of the wealthiest families in the world, with the principals. I've dealt with gatekeepers and managers and CEOs. And I've been a bartender and bouncer and, you know, work some common jobs in my life and went and bid special operations. And, you know, just this strange life again, like we said before, I never set this path.

Honestly, even 58 years on, I wake up in the morning. I'm like, well, let's see where the hell today goes, right? The one thing that I've noticed the most is that the people at the very top, and I'm not talking politicians and all those people aren't at the top. They're not even remotely close to the top. And I'm not talking to entertainers and all of it. And they're not even close to the top. Or athletes or none of that.

Not to take away from any successes and things that they've done. None of those people are even close to the top, right? or big bankers or what, no, no, no. There's a couple exceptions there, right, the finance world, right? But the people that I've known at the very, very top of society and civilization, some of whose families go back 100 years or hundreds of years, right, hundreds and hundreds of years. And the common man, right, right down to the poorest guy who I'm buying a pint at the pub, right? Those two, the common man and the king, the prince, are very much alike.

They think very much alike. They honor the same things. They live a different socioeconomic status. They live a different, you know, reality. But they both adhere to the culture and civilization of their people. And they're both willing to fight for it. And they both do fight for it in their own ways. And history has shown that when they come together, the estrogens are destroyed.

You know, they're, I don't want to say the estrogen is destroyed, but that's what they fear the most. That's why this whole no king's thing went on. Because when the king and the people come together, there is nothing they can't do. When the king and the people realize, oh, shit, I like that guy. I've just like that guy. Oh, and that guy's just like me. that's why they're terrified of Trump because he can connect with the common people right he does it verbally not physically but you can see him in the pub throwing down at some point and then buying a pint right

and then being you know mates for the next 30 years some of my best friends that I know today from school days were guys we had knocked down drag out fist fights when we first met her shortly after and we're best friends of this day. But what they fear the most right now, this is why they're going after Trump's so hard. It's why they're trying to force all these constitutional crises. It's why they're doing all this information space warfare. It's why they're trying to force him at the threat of gunpoint, by the way, let's not forget they shot him recently on live TV. It's why they're trying to force him into a war in the Middle East that they know the American people do not want and will never support. It's specifically to tear the people and the king apart, calling him a king apart.

Because if we actually come together, we reset the great game at every scale, right down to the bullshit they were trying to do with the baseball team, right, and the kids, all the way up to the international level and everything in between. And the, in between. And the, and the, They're terrified of that. One, because they've done some evil shit that they need to pay for. I mean hang from fucking street poles kind of hang for. And because they lose their power, their ability to manipulate everything through this civility shield,

this malevolent civility shield. And all this complex arcaneum structures and systems, et cetera. The king and the people both realize, Oh, actually, we like each other. Yeah, if I come to you, man, I'll beat your house. 30 my boys. And a case that Papp's Blue Ribbon. Right?

That's what they had terrified the most of. You know, when you, when you talk about, you know, politicians aren't at the top, the on and on and on. You'll have to forgive my brain. It goes to Christopher Nolan. And it goes to, you know, I'm a Batman. fan think he's a i like those movies by the way yeah yeah yeah bane's sitting there and the guy goes the guy goes to him you can't do this i paid you i paid you a lot of money yes and bain puts

his hand on him and says you think this gives you power over me yeah and i'm like yeah when you when you say things like that i'm like you you there's just certain times where you realize you're not in control and you know another one is is in the same film series is right at the first right at the start Bruce Wayne walks into um carmine falconi's you know joint and yeah yeah he goes oh prince of gotham you think you think coming in here and you know i'm not i forget how he puts it but he goes look look around you i got a judge i got this i got this that's power you can't buy kid he pulls the gun out puts it on the table so i blow your brains out right here right and so you know he goes you'd have to go a thousand

miles to for somebody not to know who you are. So I mean, it sets Bruce off on his journey now in that film series, you know. Yeah. And he goes and trains and comes back and becomes something bigger than Bruce Wayne. Yeah. And I, I, he went to learn the sport of kings. Right.

And it wasn't in politics. No. Although Paul, he needed, he needed, he needed, he needed people on his side in all those realms in order to be in at the game. Yes. Very good. I wrote a series called The Mercenary Problem, right? And I can't remember one. I think it was called the security problem. So on Twitter, which again, I'm taking a couple weeks break, people, not because I'm running away or some idiot said rage quitting. It's like, bitch, I rage quit your mother, so shut the fuck up. It's probably bought anyway, so I'm being stupid but um uh i did one with that very scene with bain but it was you know bain's there with

the hand behind the head and the guy's like but i pay you a lot of money right that's about you know mercenaries you know with former special operations you know or or you come from the i see you know the intelligence community and i pay you a lot of money and the bane characters like and do you think that means you own me or and you think that means I'm not loyal still to them this is the problem we have right the problem we have is that all of the security services and apparatus for our king is owned by the people playing the great game if he doesn't have the people that will tear them down and rip them piece you know quite literally rip their bodies to shreds if they harm him how the hell can he actually stand and fight and do all these things and if he becomes a martyr

like kennedy what happens nothing they become more powerful and they enact what they want to do for the next 60 fucking years because i hear people talking well he should just you know fall on his he should just you know be a martyr same with bonjino and patel etc it's like are you fucking retarded the last time that happened is what set everything in motion that we see around us today If the princes don't know that the people will come to, that the people got there, but truly got their back, not just in voting. But if got their back and we're ready to go and tear these people out of their truck at homes and rip them to literal chunks of meat, then how the hell are they going to survive when their own security is owned by these very people? That's a good question.

Some of them are doing some pretty damn extraordinary things the best they can. and while still try to stay alive. And, oh, by the way, they shot him on live TV and killed the other gentleman and shot some other people. So the people got to play the sport of kings at their own local levels, right, in their own scaled down versions, right? But they got to understand this unreal, almost impossible situation

are the people that are at the top, the very top, who are actually really trying to set this thing right. the unreal amount of threat, mortal threat, that they and their families are in every minute of the day from their own security. And the people have got to get over all this bullshit that the estrogens are telling us, and all this sewing of discord and dissension and all of that. And back to our last conversation, we can't do that through all of the constructs and structures and the left and the right, the Republicans and the Democrats and the fuck all of that. that's all artificial language designed to keep us from recognizing we are the english speaking

peoples we are a civilization we need to fucking fight for it again like we've done every 400 years and as we've done in between there we are the english civilization and that motherfucker's doing everything he can and his people everything they can to keep us from fucking getting destroyed and wiped out and replaced and everything else This is why I go back to the civilization thing, right? Because that's something that's constant and it's ancient and it's cuts through all the labels and all the socioeconomic classes and all of the educational differences in career. You know what I mean?

It cuts through everything. Down underneath and within all things, we are the English peoples. And if people, if you get involved at the lowest, you know, like the community, in whatever form you can you can actually I mean it doesn't mirror perfectly but you know it doesn't not either

at the same time correct because you can see you can yeah it scales thank you yeah right like like you can start to see the broader or the bigger or the larger whatever you want to call it game and if you just start to

play it in your own community yes yes it's mandible brought, right? You know, fractal mathematics? It's all Amanda brought said. This is what I'm saying, right? The king, the prince, is a set of fractals, right? It's a set of these fractals. But the fractals start with one small little equation. That one small little equation is the individual, the common man's, standing against the small little level of the great game that's being played against him and his own community. And he stands against that and his family. And it's again, it's not just a he, but generally it is a he, but he's doing it with the support of his, of his woman. Right? And she's like, okay, go ahead and do this.

I got your back. I support you. Do what you got to do. And it starts at that smallest unit, just a couple. Well, actually, actually, if you take Peterson, it starts with you, and then it starts with your bedroom. That starts with your house, right? Because you need, you can't go. even, you know.

I completely agree. I'm not looking on the bedroom point. Well, to me, to me, if you don't have your house in order. Well, if you don't have your mind in order. Right. Then, then you can't go out further because you're not, you don't have the, I'm married to a, wonderful woman. I talk about it, an awful loss, because I've been very blessed.

But we also work at it. hard, right? Like, it's not like it's not like it just snap a finger. It just happened. That's, I mean, you have to put as much energy, you know, you talk about 10,000 hours. I tell you what, that's just the beginning. You know, and insane. You get those before you met her. Any final thoughts before I let you out here? I, you know, EM, after her first chat, I sat there and I was just like, you know, and I told you, I got to get you back on. I had a list of question. I don't even know if I got to the list of questions. I was looking back over my notes.

And then we've gone off again. And you, you, um, it's a philosophical discussion that has real world consequences. And there's something that my brain just enjoys about it. And so I've really enjoyed talking with you again. And I hope the audience has enjoyed it as well. But that doesn't mean it needs to end. Just that there's any final thoughts you want to share before I let you out of here, fire away. Well, we're both going into a bit of a summer break, and so this won't go up for a while. Let's see what happens between now and the end of July or August, whatever this comes out. Did the people see through this?

Did the common man rally to, or did we let these estrogen tear us apart again? I'd be very interested to see in this next month or so or however long it's going to be. in real in reality it'll probably be probably be a couple weeks but i would think you know so i don't know the exact date it comes out but but in fairness well it isn't like this normally it's 24 hours right i try and like hammer it out it's out this is one of those conversations where it'll be very curious to see where we're at in july and if this conversation holds any bearing or not yeah yeah i know i'm fascinated that's why um when you reached out yesterday I was like yeah okay let's have a conversation it's going to go in the can and then let's

see right I'm going to give you this piece though okay I'm going to give you this piece I do have immense confidence of how rich and deep the English civilization goes whether people recognize it as that or not and the Americans are the phrase expression of that now right so that most certainly is the Americans and I actually have rather great confidence in the American people to not fall for all of this again and that the American people are ready to rise. And I don't mean in voting and all that of the stuff because COVID and the theft of the elections in 2020 and all the stuff that's come out in the open that everybody suspected, et cetera, and how the hard they're going after Trump right now on every level to try and discredit and et cetera. I, I, you know, I,

I suspect that the loyalty tests are happening and some of those people be sussed out, but I suspect very much that we're going to come together as a people and say no more. And that we're ready for the next 40, 60 years of putting all this stuff right. And I think the Americans in the English civilization, therefore, right, the English-speaking peoples are going to come out stronger than ever before. But not as some global empire and all those days are done, right? but as a great people I appreciate you coming on

you enjoy some time off and we will make sure to follow up with this in the coming months because well once again I gotta give a shout to Crypto Rich for putting you on putting this together and I don't know if he knew what he was doing

because I mean I assume he did but I really enjoyed talking with you and all the best here this summer and you know we'll make sure it isn't too long before we bring it back and continue this discussion. Enjoy your time with your family show. You've earned it.