Shaun Newman Podcast - #894 - Tanya Clemens

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

Tanya Clemens is a 4th generation farmer, educator, advocate for agriculture, and spokesperson for the Alberta Prosperity Project. She has degrees in science and education, previously worked as a math and science teacher in the Foothills School Division. We discuss Alberta Independence.To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail]

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or wherever you want in between. But I would love it if you'd help me out there. All right, let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is a fourth generation farmer and spokesperson for the Alberta Prosperity Project. I'm talking about Tanya Clemens. So buckle up. Here we go.

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Tanya Clemens. So Tanya, good to see you. Yeah, good to see you too, Sean. Now, we, I feel like go away. I feel like we've known each other, it feels like, for a few years, but maybe you could enlighten the audience on who Tanya is and we'll start there. Well, maybe first I should brag up Sean Newman a little bit.

Because it was, it was like, honestly, I haven't, I think I've told you this a little bit, but I don't know if I've really conveyed it. But during COVID, when we were being told that we couldn't ask questions, that we were being isolated, when we're being made to feel very, very alone. It was probably one of the darkest times in my entire life. The Sean Newman podcast came out. And there was someone that was asking questions and willing to listen and willing to talk to people. And honestly, like you were one of the people that kept me going through COVID, kept my head above water.

There's a lot of people in my community and my friends that also listen to your show. So I'm just so appreciative of what you started with and what you've become. And yeah, I'm proud of you. I'm glad that we've become friends and that I've got. to know you a little bit. Like, this has been an awesome journey to watch you grow and just take care of others. Well, I appreciate that. But as, I don't know if it's become my standard answer, but it's the truth is everyone's

always like, yeah, this guy came out of nowhere in COVID and started asking questions. And I'm like, every time I hear that, it's people like yourself who would start texting me and I wouldn't jump off a bridge. And I don't mean actually committing suicide, folks. I just mean like the amount of people in that time that, uh, called, yelled, uh, turned their backs, all the things was pretty wild, I think. It was, um, I don't know, I was at replaying interviews through July and we replayed an old Julie Panessi. And like, listen to, I'm like, oh, man, some of the things I say and some of the things that are

going on, I'm like, it's just hard to almost go back and listen to it. But, um, it was all of you. And by you, I mean, uh, Tanya and everybody else who was texting me during that time that actually, uh, kept me going because if it wasn't for all the people back then that were like, no, you got to keep going. I'd like, and I'll tell one short story that I had one person call me saying I had to stop. You have to stop immediately. And I was like sitting out in the middle of, I was working still in the outfield at the time. And I was sitting on the side of the road. I'm like, well, that was, that wasn't very much fun. And then I had another call and I was explaining to him,

maybe I should just stop. And he yelled at me the other way. What are you talking about? Stop. You're not stopping. You can't stop. You've got to keep going for all of us. I'm like, oh, okay. Well, all right. And it happened day after day for, I don't know, certainly the fall of 2021 towards the Freedom Convoy.

It was some hectic time. So I appreciate the compliment. But I'm going to give it right back because if it wasn't for people such as yourself, I wouldn't have kept going. Well, I don't know. Those were dark days. And I appreciate meeting people such as yourself. and now to finally have you on the podcast, you know, it's a cool treat.

Yeah, it's awesome. And now here you are still advocating for Alberta and your community and the people that you love. And yeah, it's cool just to see the journey that it's become. Well, I don't know if you've been watching the news lately, but, you know, I remember hearing about climate lockdowns. And I was like, well, not how is that going to happen? Because with the wildfires in Alberta last year and then having like tons of people from forestry come on, I'm like, you can see how this is going to go. I just, I don't know if I thought it would happen the way it's happening.

I don't even know if that's the right way to put it. But here we sit with Nova Scotian, Newfoundland, New Brunswick, coming out with draconian things going on. Now you've got a guy in the front of the Toronto Sun being fined $25,000 for taking a walk in the forest. So, you know, it's like I thought, yeah, maybe there's a day where I don't have to keep talking to these taboo subjects. but here we sit, Tanya, and I'm glad to have you on. I'm glad to, I don't know, maybe beautify the podcast for once. I have somebody better looking than me.

That's not saying a whole lot on my end. But tell the audience about yourself. We've ran into each other a ton. I feel like, you know, over the course of several years, geez, it's been, if you think about it, it's been four years now. I don't know how that math, it seems times flying maybe. But tell the audience a bit about yourself. Well, I'm born and raised a farmer. I'm a farm girl that lives like southeast of Calgary.

We have a grain farm that's been a family farm and like for a few generations now in Alberta. So we're very, very tied to the land and have like a deeply rooted love for Alberta. I also am a teacher by trade. So I was educated that way and have a science degree as well. So that was kind of my passion as I was going through things as well. I loved my time in the classroom with my kids. That was some of like the best moments of my life, was just laughing and learning with my kids all day long.

And that kind of ended partway through COVID, just because of temporary contracts and making sure that I wanted to be part of the farm still and not taking a full-time position and whatever. But yeah, ultimately farming has my heart, and that's kind of where I'm at. And Alberta is a big part of that. And I became part of the Alberta, to Prosperity Project. I believe it was in November of 2021, but they say they were founded in

2022, so I'm not even exact sure of my dates, but COVID to me was kind of a little bit of a blur and this weird time warp that we were in. But I went to my first meeting of APP as a volunteer, just helping there. And that was when I heard Dr. Dennis Modry speak for the first time. And just some of the things that he had said during that speech. And also Terak Olnaga was there, too as an immigrant to Canada and what he came to Canada for and told his story. And it was pretty amazing and empowering. And that's when I became friends with him was that same night as well. So from then on, I was just like, yeah, this is this is a path forward. I see that there's a clear path that Alberta can take to becoming better, more prosperous, more free. And that's what I want

for us, especially in the midst of COVID. Like freedom was what we were craving. You know, you mentioned you were a teacher and then obviously the connection to the farming. Did you ever or were you like heavily engaged in politics anytime before that? Like were you always paying attention or, you know, is this something that kind of is, I don't know, COVID thrust upon you? I think COVID definitely was the catapult that made me much more invested in it. I'd always followed it a little bit. My dad was involved in politics a little bit. And I think that maybe being part of the farming world,

we're used to just like being a little bit more remote. And you've got your jobs to do for the day. So you go out there and you get your jobs done and you work hard. And you just kind of hope that the government doesn't interfere with what you're doing. Like just let me live my life and do my work and provide for my family and my community. So I don't think it was a huge part of my life growing up until, yeah, closer to COVID. And then, like Daniel Smith was kind of a shining star. And I had tried to, I helped on her campaign where I could and just followed that whole leadership role. And,

yeah, that's kind of when it got started, I guess, and more. Well, you know, I was saying to this before we started. Like, one of the criticisms I've heard about the APP is that they have no women that are involved. And I was like, oh, well, I, that's not, that's not true. Although I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, guess I can see the perception if you go to some of their speaking events and you see Dennis Modry or Mitz Sylvester, Jeff Rath or Tanner Nadee, and I can see how it's, you know, it's men on stage. I could see that. But here you are. So I'm like, to the people who say no women are involved, maybe we could talk to that first with the APP. Yeah, and I think that maybe the APP isn't so focused on making sure that we're checking off all the

boxes of having someone in like every single category of things. We have like Dennis is the founder of it. He created the first, like, founding document that outlined the steps of how Alberta could actually become sovereign. And until that time, there was no clear path. There was no process that people could believe in. But now there was something that people could get behind. So he should be out there speaking and he brings people in and the information that he has to share is amazing. And then with Mitch and Tanner and Jeff, like they're all experts in this whole field of pursuing a more prosperous and sovereign Alberta. So yeah, maybe they're not women or maybe they're not whatever.

But they're they're worth listening to and worth hearing. And there is a lot of women involved in APP. There's a lot of all the things involved in APP now. Like when we before the last federal election, I believe we had like around 40,000 members in APP. And right after the federal election, it bloomed to over 200,000, 250,000 members. Like it happened really fast than a matter of

weeks and we also onboarded almost 20,000 volunteers. So we have people from all walks of life. We have rich. We have poor. We have everything that are willing to help and support because they see the merits of APP and what a sovereign Alberta can do for us. You know, I don't, were you at the leadership debate, the APP one where they had Ezra Levant and then it was when Premier Kenny had stepped down and so you had Daniel Smith Todd Lowen Travis Day's Rebecca Schultz? No I don't think

Dave's didn't go and I don't think Schultz did either I think Brian Jean Maybe Rebecca Schultz I think there was only three Maybe four of them on stage And that was my first introduction to the APP I kind of I always have this funny story with Tanner

Because he's been on the podcast so much But we ran into each other We live across the street right now from one another, which is funny enough. But I met him in a Bell mobility store, like, right around that time. And he's like, hey, you're Sean Newman. I'm like, yeah. And he's like, I'm Tanner today.

I'm like, okay, who is this guy? And he told me about the ABP and I, he walked away. I don't know if I've ever told him this. I think I have. I'm like, that was weird. And I just carried on. I didn't think much of it. And then it's funny how personally, I think the Lord works in that now me and Tanner have become

really good friends and we see each other quite. often and then he's been on the podcast so much but i went to that api debate um i'd hosted in vermilion the you know i i don't know two weeks before and one of the things i i really enjoyed about the app was how direct their questions were like it was a full venue but then like they didn't mince words and i was like oh if i ever do this again i'm going to take a page from them because they were so direct in trying to get the leaders to answer questions that mattered. And somewhere there has to be game tape from that, that debate, because they asked them every fastball question they could. And by heater or fastball, I mean like throwing at the head

and let's see how they, they do with this. And obviously Daniel Smith at the time was the clear cut winner over again. I don't know. Were you at that one? Was that the one in Calgary? No, it was in Eminton. Okay. No, I was not at that one. Oh, it was. The first time I bet you was actually in Calgary at a leadership debate there at, uh, oh, Oh, the one in the rooftop. Yeah. The Western Standard one. Yeah, I remember because I was kind of fan grilling you.

I'm like, oh my gosh, that's Sean, I win. That's the podcast guy. And then I just talked about how someday I'm going to be on your podcast, Sean. And you're like, what are you going to have to say? I'm like, I'm not sure right now, but look how things have developed. Now I've got lost this. It's funny, though, because like the APP, I've had Mitch, Jeff, Tanner, Dennis. I've had lots of people on from the APP.

And I think it's an important conversation to keep going because it's obviously sitting there. Actually, Jeff had just called right before we walked in here because they got a court, or well, they have a court case over the question going on. And I was like, oh, I've been gone for a month. I didn't even know that. And so I don't know. I think it's important for Albertans to hear what is going on. So, I don't know if you can enlighten us.

What is happening with the APP these days? We all know about the 250,000 signatures, I've heard, sorry, not signatures, emails and signups that have come through. And then the 20,000 volunteers that have been like, hey, like, let's get this moving. What can you enlighten us with today of where the APP is sitting at? Well, right now, our question is with Elections, Alberta. And then they have forwarded it on to the Court of Kings bench for clarification if it's affecting anyone's constitutional rights. which, like, you can watch all the footage of that and what Jeff Rath has to say about it

because he's the expert in that field for sure. He's a lawyer, the council that's representing us. But I'm not sure how a question from Mitch Sylvester, a private citizen, could infringe on anyone's constitutional rights, especially when you read the question about Alberta, choosing to leave Canada and become its own sovereign nation. Seems pretty simple and clear. And it seems a little bit like maybe

to me as just like a layperson that they're really jumping ahead. Like once we have this referendum and we answer this question, then we can start the terms of negotiation and make sure that we're not infringing on anyone's constitutional rights as we form a new sovereign nation. So that's when everyone's invited to the table and negotiations have to proceed in good faith. So for what they're doing right now, it seems a little, to me it seems out of sorts. I don't understand. We are following the path that the courts and the legislation has outlined for us.

followed it very clearly citizens asking a question we have a right to do that with an alberta we have the citizens initiative and it seems kind of goofy to me that we're we're being kind of like push back delayed just kind of messed around like let us just ask our question let's alberdans decide but regardless um we were kind of forced into this a little bit earlier because of thomas Sussack and his group that was doing like the anti option to asking the question if we should separate. And just having a little bit more time to educate Albertans is probably actually a good thing for us because that's what the APP is, is the nonpartisan educational organization. So we are just taking this time while the courts are deciding things. And Jeff is working for

us to make sure that Albertans know what's at stake here. And it's great because there's just more and more information coming out. the time and more and more people join in the APP and now our new target is actually to get a million people signed up so we had like 250,000 happen really fast right after the election because there are the people that are very mad and very motivated and they're like sign me up I want out of here and then there's a lot of people in the middle group that are like you know what's yeah I'm mad and I don't like what's happening but I need to know exactly how this is going to affect like my pocketbook and my family and my community so I need more information and that's what this time period is being

great for actually is given that information to the people that kind of just want to make sure they're making a good decision which makes sense um i think all of us want to make sure we're making the right decision you know in your conversations where you've been you know um more prominent with the app uh you know like a member okay but now you know to be a spokesperson for the APP, the conversations you've been having, how's that gone for you? It's actually gone really, really well. Like, I think that people just don't know the information and the scope of the numbers and have lots of questions about what a sovereign Alberta could look like.

So, for example, like when I became first involved with APP, it was because I had listened to Dennis speaking at that first event. And he had talked about how much money we had sent away with the National Energy Program, how damaging that was to Alberta. You know, like that wasn't like really during my lifetime. I was a baby. So he talked about how, you know, people were losing their businesses. Suicide rates were crazy.

Like it was a very sad, terrible time during Alberta. And then we added on to that the transfer payments and most of that going to Quebec. If we hadn't had just those two things in Alberta's history, we could have lived the last 40 years with an 8 to 10% flat income tax rate. And like at first you just hear a number, but then when you start to try to like visualize what that would have meant to your family. So instead of paying 30, 40 more percent of your income in taxes, it was just 8 to 10 percent for the last 40 years. Like what that could have done to my parents to other families, the retirement age, people could have had the ability to purchase houses, the prosperity that would have brought to all of our families and communities is absolutely insane. And then as I got into it more, and now we've released our fiscal document for what it costs to actually run Alberta and what a sovereign Alberta could look like.

So that's on the Alberta Prosperity.com website that everyone can look up if you'd like to see that too. It's a great read. We send between $20 and $28 billion billion to Ottawa every year that we don't get anything back for. So we send way more money than that, like $60, $70 billion to Ottawa. You know, and then they give us money back for doing our health care and different things to run our province. But there's $20 to $28 billion we give every single year that we get no services, nothing back for. $14 billion worth of that goes to Quebec as a transfer payment, equalization payment. And when you calculate that out to a per capita basis, every man, woman, and child in Alberta, that makes it $6,000.

per person that we're paying to Alberta that we don't get services back for. So in like your average family of four, $24,000 your pain in taxes for nothing, that you're not getting anything back for your family or your community. That's crazy town to me. $24,000 in every person's pocket and every family's pocket of four would change lives. Like that's a big amount of money, especially with the pinch that everyone's feeling right now in Alberta. Yeah, I can't imagine.

imagine family five on this side an extra 30 grand you know just chilling there even if it honestly you know it was an extra 10 grand let's it i always go let's just take worst case scenario and it's actually a smaller number and you come back and it's like an extra 10 grand i'm like it's an extra 10 grand like that's not we're not talking about 10 dollars we're not talking about a tank gas or something you know like an extra i don't know coffee at old tim hortons or something like And we're talking, that's a big number, even on the small side. If you take it down to the small side, like an extra 10K in the pocket at the end of the year, now that's an extra 100K over a 10 year period.

It's like, yeah, I think that should raise some eyebrows. Now, you being near Calgary in Calgary, um, talking to that group of people, right? Because I think the last poll I saw, the rural, uh, percentage that wants out is probably, rightfully so very high. When you get into the bigger centers and you're and you're talking to different people about this, is there a disconnect there or or do you see more and more Calgarians like now this makes sense? Well, there's a lot of Calgarians that are very heavily involved in oil and gas. For sure and lots of business owners, people that have you know like economic common sense. So they

see the merits definitely of this. There's also it follows very politically, I think, with like provincial politics. And you can see when we had our last provincial election where the colors change, it's in the major city centers. So it's always that group of people that is also resistant to maybe even like just listening to what we have to say or like receiving some of that education or looking into it. Like take the document and just read through it. I even have friends like in in the very conservative circles that are all for Alberta sovereignty but they're still very much on the within Canada motion and they believe that we'll be able to affect change enough that will be okay you know like something's going to get

done here but if you look at historically like even from since we were brought into confederation what the plan was for Alberta and how many attempts there have been to carve out a little piece of justice for us within Confederation and then it be thwarted all the time that there's really no hope that that's going to happen a significant way. And to me, the biggest one actually is the transfer payments, how much money of hardworking Albertans were just giving away to someone else for nothing in return. Like, you can't make that make sense to me. So. Well, I can understand. I can understand the Canadian sentiment. When you've grown up in a country, you know, like now getting to be really good friends with like men like Jamie Sinclair and Chuck.

Prodnick and there's a whole bunch of others that have fought for the country, you know, in the Newman lineage, different people who served under the flag. And you go like, you're undoing something that there's a lot of emotion tied to. But, you know, when I look at our fearless leader these days, Carney and where he's tied to, I'm like, I just, I don't know if there's a way you can convince me that staying in Canada, while that type of leadership we have, long term is going to be anything but bad. And maybe you have your thoughts on that as well. No, look, I agree with you, but I think that you should also ask, like, I completely respect our veterans and military and first responders and people who have served and died for our country. Were they dying for Canada?

Were they dying for what Canada is now? Were they dying for Trudeau's Canada? For more Mark Carney's Canada? Or were they putting all those things on the line and sacrificing for freedom for their families and their communities? Like is it about actually Canada and this ideal that we've been taught that we need to revere and idolize at all costs no matter what? Or was it actually about serving freedom and fighting for freedom? I believe they were fighting for freedom. They were fighting for me, for my kids, for generations that they've never met and will never know. But it was about freedom. that to me is more important than Canada.

And the Canada that I've seen the last decade especially is not about freedom. Yeah, we're, I don't know if we're injuring closer. We might be speeding closer or we might be off the cliff like Wiley Coyote. When it comes to how far we've gone into totalitarianism, like down the road of like this climate stuff, you know, as we sit here today, like, it's it's pretty wild to watch the videos coming out of there and like you know let's talk just fire safety we we come from the countryside right when it's super dry on the farm have you had fires from machinery and different things like that yes is it a big deal yes but do you say you can't take a walk in the field because you might start a fire it'd be like can you imagine saying that to a farmer and you know what sometimes hampers those fires is the government involvement when the government Local municipalities get involved. Get out of the way. The farmers are coming with their fire suppression equipment.

They're going to till up the dirt. They're going to make firewalls. Get the fire trucks in the water out of the way because this is what's actually going to save the fire. So again, it's like leave people to their own ingenuity and a little bit of freedom. We had some extended family. They're riding across the country.

And they came in to the farm for supper a few evenings ago. and they were recalling a story when my grandmother was alive. They were out at the farm and there was a call and everybody went racing out the door because there was a fire. It was during harvest time, probably off a combine is my guess. But, you know, I was, I don't even know if I was born yet, but they were telling the story. And they said, like, everybody goes racing over to the neighbors to help them put it out. And by the time they got there, there was like two big cultivators there that had already

encircled it and it was already out and everybody was sitting there drinking beer and I'm like now that is a way that farmers put out fires and I chuckle about it out here in the prairies because I'm just like you know the the stories of old were the grass fires were faster than the fastest horse and they were just horrific but with the invention of the tractor and the big cultivators and everything else like honestly if you don't get in the way of farmers they take care of it all right like the neighbors out here are phenomenal And I assume in your area, you have the same relationships. Yeah. Yeah, they do a pretty good job for sure.

And like not to discount the firemen that come out because we have. Oh, no, not at all. Apartments too. And like taking care of the buildings and the houses and stuff that you're trying to protect with the water that they have available. Awesome. But when you're first fighting a field fire, you need like the equipment that's going to turn up the dirt to make that firewall for you. Yeah, 110%. You know, coming back to Alberta, this Alberta independence movement, but having lots of discussions, you know, I was gone for the month of July.

And so I was down in the States. People were asking me about it. There was a lot of happening in July. I came back through Manitoba. Manitoba was asking me about it. And probably the simplest question is whether I thought it was possible. And so I'll just throw it at you, Tanya. Do you think it is possible for Alberta to become independent?

It's absolutely possible. The only thing that we need is the will of Albertans. So Albertans need to vote when we have our referendum question. Because it's actually rare for a country to have a clearly outlined process, a legal process for a province or state to separate from that country. There's not many countries in the world that actually have that. But Canada has that through like the Clarity Act. and Alberta has their citizens initiative for bringing a referendum to the table.

So we have a clearly outlined legal path to do it. We need Alberts to vote 50% plus one in favor of it, or even better, like a very clear majority. Because the Clarity Act, funny that the name is clarity and it's a very unclear act. It leaves a lot of power in the hands of the federal government, which is why I believe it was implemented the way that it was. either way international law says that if you have a clear majority of 50% plus one and two other countries will recognize you as a sovereign state you are a sovereign state and you proceed with the negotiations of what that looks like so yeah there's lots of paths for it to actually happen it just starts with that first initial vote that we need to have a majority vote that we want out of Canada if people wanted to get involved okay let's say they're listening and they're like okay I want to get involved Where would you point them to? Albertaprosperity.com. Alberta Prosperityproject.com, both websites work.

There's a volunteer sign-in thing there that you can put your information into. And our group will take that information and make sure that you're put into an area that you want to volunteer in. Because the more people, the better. And the next thing is, is there any big events or dates, key dates

that are coming up that you think Albertans should be paying attention to? Well, on our website underneath events, there's always town hall meetings happening everywhere. And like Dennis and Mitch and Jeff, Tanner, like amazing troopers that are going all across the province over and over again, putting on town halls, just trying to educate Albertans on what is happening with the Alberta Prosperity Project movement and with what a sovereign Alberta could look like. So those events are all listed on there as they keep coming up and getting booked. This coming Thursday is supposed to be the next day that we hear back from the Court of King's bench. And the judge said that he would be giving a verdict on whether he's accepting Jeff Roth's motion to strike, which means that they would wipe away, you know, any contention to what our question is and just let it proceed.

Or whether we need to have to grant intervener status to a bunch of different groups and have them. them weigh in and go through a process and maybe delay our question coming to Albertans by a couple months. So that verdict's supposed to come on Thursday. So that's good. Well, for the audience, we have Jeff Rath joining the mashup on Friday. So we'll get to hear all about it that day. And what comes of that. Now, is there anything else Alberta Prosperity Project you want to talk about or can I ask you a farming question? Oh, well, you can ask you and ask a farming question if you want.

I think maybe the last thing I would just leave for Alberta Pospherty Project is for, to people really, when they're starting to listen to the information that we're putting out and getting educated on it, is if Alberta was a province, a separate nation, all by itself right now, and Canada came to us and said,

hey, would you wanna join us under the current terms that Alberta is in? In a million years, would we ever want to join this country? Like, could we possibly do something far, far better than what Canada has right now? Could we create something more prosperous, more free? When we have the information of the entire world at our fingertips, do you not think that we could do something much, much better than the place that we are currently stuck in?

So I guess I just kind of leave you with that. Well, and the thing I think about is in our lifetime, has there ever been an opportunity that is sitting right now with the amount of motivation of Albertans and the fact you have Carney you know if I could be wrong on this maybe Pierre would have been in and the sentiment to leave would have been would have grown by the day but with Carney in and the liberals remaining in power I just feel like you know whether Alberta leaves or they strike out and find a new deal within Canada or whatever comes here over the next year or years. I don't know if there's ever been an opportunity quite like this.

Would you agree with that, thought? Yeah, I would agree with that. It strikes me as absolutely bizarre watching Pierre Polyev's, like, lead up to the last election and the enthusiasm behind him, like the rallies, I went to a couple of rallies and brought my kids to them too and the size of them and the excitement. Like, that's never been happening in Canada before. he had so much momentum. And then to see that lose an election,

like it doesn't even make sense to me. Like we're fighting a global agenda that wants something very different for Alberta than what Albertans want. So this is our last chance, I think, to actually create change to make something new and after this it will be too late. And how amazing would it be to be remembered

as the generation that actually stood up and made that change and did something for our kids and for our grandkids that they could talk about us in the future saying that was the generation that stood up and made the difference. They did it. Yeah, well, and one of the blessings of COVID

was people such as yourself and a whole bunch of others all got connected, right? Because it was just like, what is happening here? And I assume, I assume, there's going to be a whole new group that come through if we get into climate, lockdowns and everything like that, there's going to be a whole new group

go, what the deuce is going on here, right? Like around the campfire this weekend, sitting at a nice beautiful Alberta Provincial Park. It's like, yeah, just imagine you're not allowed to do this. You're not allowed to come here because there's wildfires going on. And I'm not downplaying wildfires. I know they're horrific. Here in Alberta, we've certainly seen some awful things and in Saskatchewan, too,

that have been brutal to the communities there. And I've done, you know, if you go back, a year. I've interviewed a ton of guys out in BC talking about the logging and forestry maintenance and all the things there. But to imagine you can't go even for a simple walk is, I don't know, I don't know what other word to use than insane. That that is going to prevent forest fires. I don't even know what else to say on that. And how much do you want government involved in your life? because that feels like an invasive step. Very invasive, yes.

I think we both agree we would like to see a heck of a lot less government involvement, even from the Alberta front. I just want, you know, take care of the key things and then let business thrive and people thrive. And you'll have a wonderful place to live. And that is the cool thing about forming a potential new nation is we would get to decide what that look like. Like we've talked about forming a direct democracy, maybe eliminating parties where people feel whipped to vote a certain way and actually just represent their constituents. Perhaps we have something more like Sweden where they have referendums on everything. Have something at your local post office or however it gets set up, but that the people decide on any tax increases are decided by the people.

They get to vote on that. Any major decisions by the government, it goes to a referendum for the people. Bring the power back to the people. We don't have to do it this way. We could create something entirely new. Yeah, I think that's an important thing for people to realize what you just said there was we don't have to do it this way. We just don't have to. Now, don't get me wrong, the hurdle to get over to do it a different way is large.

But at the same token, we don't have to do it this way. And if people get involved and help, we just never know what future lies ahead of us could be pretty darn bright. And we have had to do it this way. I actually brought to this quote. Where is it right in front of me here? We've had to do it this way because since we were brought into Confederation in 1905, Clifford Sifton said at that time that we desire that the great trade of the prairies shall go to enrich our people in the east in every legitimate way contribute to our prosperity.

And I really don't think anything has changed since we were brought into Confederation. You can look through the timeline of initiatives to try to create some independence and sovereignty for Alberta and what the federal government has done to work against that, as far as like the national energy program and anything that we had the Reform Party. We had all these different things that happened trying to work against the way that we were brought into Confederation and it has not worked. So as much as even I love Daniel Smith. I adore her. I've supported her a ton. I continue to support her. I just don't think that Canada is going to listen and meet her demand.

So it's time to try something bold and new and do something brazen for our future generations, for our kids, so that they have something different to look forward to than the dismal state we have right now. Well, my hats off to yourself and others for sticking your heads up and talking about things like this. I know that there's a ton of support for it, but I also know there's also some backlash that comes with that. Either way, you know, you paid me a compliment at the start, and my hat's off to you, ma'am, for putting your name forward to be a spokesperson

and coming on this show to talk about it. My, I guess before I let you out of here, you know, I just chuckled because I was out at the farm, and I was looking my dad and my brother run steers, right? And I was looking at the pasture, and it looks like a, putting green. The grass is so short, they haven't had a ton of rain. And I'm like, I got to ask. I'm just kind of curious. I feel like you folks have had way more rain than us,

but maybe I'm wrong on that. How are the things, the conditions for farming out in your part of the woods? We're probably like the whiny farmers. Like we're always begging for rain. And now we're like, no, too much rain. Stop. We've had a pile of rain this year. It's like a very abnormal year. So especially with things like barley, it's starting to like the big heavy rains have pushed it down flat. And if it gets like too flat and starts to kink it, then you start to lose your crop. Right now, we're at the point that it's just going to be a really rough harvest, I think, especially for the barley crops because they're pretty flat. It's going to be tough to pick up or let's figure out swathing or something with it. I think our area like Engage said that we've had like

17 inches this year, which I know I know I'm somewhere somebody's riding an tractor and they're like oh this is my kind of talk I can just already hear it because somebody somewhere is out in the field and they're like oh interesting so you better explain to the farmer wherever he's at where is your guys's farm like what part of alberta are you in uh we're like southeast of calgary about 45 minutes so we've got some like by strathmore some down towards blacky kind of that area So it's like dryish, but not usually like super, super dry all the time. There's like worst areas of Southern Alberta for sure.

But this has been an especially wet year. Love the rain. The crops look amazing. And hopefully, you know, they'll start to ripen soon if the rain stops. And we won't have to be fighting against the snow and Mother Nature. We're always fighting against Mother Nature. Hopefully she's kind. I always enjoy when somebody brings up sports because I don't talk hockey near as much as I once did.

But another thing that makes me happy, I guess, is talking farming. I'm like, oh, yeah, let's talk about the crops. Let's see how they're doing in different parts. Either way, I appreciate you entertaining me here at the end. Appreciate you hopping on, Tanya. And best of luck with everything you're doing for the APP. Any final thoughts before I let you out? I just encourage people to, like, really exercise a civil discourse.

Like, this is the biggest decision that I believe Albertans will ever. make in our lifetimes. So be kind to each other, listen to each other, try to learn from each other, and make sure that when this referendum question is posed to you, you have in mind the future of Alberta, not just your current status, but the future of Alberta, your kids and the next generations. Appreciate you hopping on and doing this. And well, look forward to the next time we run into each other. Yeah, me too. Thank you for everything, Sean. I really appreciate you.