Shaun Newman Podcast - #896 - Matt Alexander

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

Matt Alexander, a former teacher in Ontario, Canada, was employed by the Renfrew County District School Board (RCDSB) for over 20 years, teaching grades 7 and 8. In 2023, he was suspended and later terminated, allegedly for not supporting or celebrating LGBTQ+ initiatives, despite having no public social media presence and an unblemished disciplinary record. His troubles began after his son, Josh Alexander, publicly opposed his school’s policy on transgender students using girls’ washrooms. Matt, a devout Christian, pastor, and army reserve veteran, faced financial devastation, including the loss of his family home and pension, forcing him to retrain for a new career. He and his wife, Nicole Alexander, also a teacher who faced similar consequences, have filed a human rights complaint against the RCDSB for religious discrimination and a labor complaint against their union for failing to defend their Charter-protected freedoms.To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] Money SummitWebsite: ExpatMoneySummit.com

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Today's guest is a former school teacher from Ontario who was fired for allegedly not supporting or celebrating LGBTQ plus initiatives. I'm talking about Matt Alexander. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Matt Alexander. Sir, thanks for giving me some time this morning.

My pleasure. Glad to be here, Sean. I don't know. You, I guess, first time on the podcast, just, I want to know a little bit about Matt, and then we can get into all the insanity that Canada continues to be. I don't know, tell us a bit about yourself. Yes, well, I was, I'm in Ontario for your listeners. I know you got a lot of Western listeners, but I'm unfortunately in Ontario, but that's where I am.

I am, I was a teacher for over 20 years in the public school system. I'm a born-again, Bible-believing Christian, and that's directed my life for the last 30 years or so. I spent a little time in the military, nothing to brag about, but I am a vet. And I pastor to church and done a lot of church work over the last couple of decades. And that kind of sums up who I am. of four and got a wonderful wife who was also put off work at the same day I was for the same reasons. So yeah, we've had an interesting couple of years. Well, since COVID restrictions, I think everyone's life became quite interesting. So that brought some spice into life. But more

recently, you know, my son took a stand against males and female washrooms in his high school. He was a Catholic high school, actually. I'm not a Catholic, but he was in a Catholic school. And anyways, he took a stand against that, and that blew up. And a lot of your listeners will probably be familiar with that, Josh Alexander. And he and his brother spoke out against, you know, drag queen story hours for kids, some of the wild stuff that's been going on in our culture. And they attracted some attention and shed a lot of light on the dark goings-on that happened.

in our culture at this point. And a little further down the line, the school board that my wife and I worked for terminated us after having clear records of teaching myself. I think it was 23 years, totally clear, put into leadership positions. Then suddenly we were pulled off work. And really what it boiled down to is we were presented with the requirement to celebrate, and affirm LGBT

diversity with kids. And I said, no, I'm sorry. My wife is always said, we're Christians. And we can't do that. You know, 20 years leading a

welcoming classroom to all students in all different places, different towns and cities and different backgrounds, not an issue at all, always positive. But suddenly, when I was presented with

this ultimatum to celebrate and affirm. And those are the key words that people need to understand. Or to celebrate LGBTQ in the classroom. I said, no, I'm sorry. That's not Hawaiian. And as a Canadian, we're supposed to have the rights, any of us, whether a Christian or whatever our belief system is, we're supposed to have the right to believe what we believe, whether that's in the resurrection of Jesus Christ or whether it's in the existence of no God. Whatever we might choose to believe, we have the right to believe those things. And it shouldn't hinder our existence in the public sphere.

But that's not the case in Canada. It's important Canadians come to understand that. If I go back, I mean, I don't know, 20 years maybe, but maybe you started your teaching career. Could you have ever predicted this? Because I don't know how anyone could predict this. Like where you sit with your sons and all your kids, but certainly your two sons you mentioned

and then now you and your wife but like if you go back 20 years would you know like I don't know where you mentioned clean I think you said clean record it's not like you were in the principal's office getting talked to or the superintendents like you know over the course of your teaching career

did you ever go there's a day coming where this is going to be a thing and I'm going to be really put to the test like did you see any of this transpiring as a Christian yes when would it happen I had no idea but I mean it the school system has changed so much over the past well past two three decades the school system that that I went to to school and is not the school system that exists today and I think that's what a lot of parents don't understand they they relate what their kids are doing in school to what they experienced

20 years ago, 15 years ago, 25 years ago. And they write on that assumption. And it is not a safe assumption because it is not at all like what we adults experienced. And it has become progressively more indoctrinating year after year after year. And yeah. So, yeah, long answer to your short question. Yes, I mean, I knew the day was going to come when it wouldn't. be possible to teach. And I always wondered when that would be. And the day came. The day came

when the board put it to me that, no, as a Christian, you're not allowed to believe what you believe in hold a position in the classroom if you're not going to bow down and celebrate what we want you to bow down and celebrate. But when I read your story, and correct me if I'm wrong here, you get basically pulled in for online posting. But you have to have. But you have to be. You have to had no social media account i had no social media i had no social media no so walk me through this because i i'm i'm you know like i said before we started you know i would say your story's wild except you know like this is just what can does become so you got a teacher that you don't like because of abuse he holds but you got no record of anything in your 20 years of like you know yeah

you i don't even know so you just have a clean record there's nothing there So we'll go, well, we'll get them on an online post. So then they haul you in for online posts. And I assume you go, you realize I have no social media accounts. I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't post. Isn't that have ended it right there? Well, you would think so.

So it would seem from the information they've given me that it was actually anonymous posts made by anonymous individuals online. about me pertaining to Josh's activism, Josh's, you know, being removed from school and protests and so forth. It was made public that, you know, oh, well, his dad's a teacher. Oh, his parents are teachers and, you know, must be terrible having those parents as public school teachers. How can that be allowed? That sort of thing. I don't know the exact details, too. But is that sort of thing that alerted the board. And that's, that I think is what triggered them. And, you know, like, I know there's things going on in the court of law, right?

So I understand, like, there's probably some details you can't share, you can't get too much into. But, like, when you say, like, guys, I don't have any social media accounts. Like, this can't be me. Where are they like, oh, on that case, go back to your room. Or did they just kind of glaze past that? And it's like, no. Sorry, you got to sit at home for a few days while we iron this out. Yeah, well, when I was told to not report to work, it was it was called one evening, it was my principal called me and said, hey, Matt, sorry to tell you this, but don't come into work. You're under investigation. And she had no details to give me, none whatsoever. So in the morning, I had a phone call with my union representative. And her understanding, she said she thought it was my posts. And that's where I said, yeah, I don't have any social media. I'm not, I wasn't that.

kind of guy. And so she was puzzled by that. Anyway, I found it later on from the board. No, it wasn't my posts. But it was others. Others had put things online about me and not even about me. But there were just things that connected and didn't even connect to me, but they didn't like it. They didn't like where it was, I guess. What did you, what did your co-workers, like did your co-workers say anything and they were just like hands off this is you know nuclear hot type thing like we we can't go around this there is a culture of fear in teaching in the in the teaching sector so uh um my closest colleagues yeah i spoke with them and they were shocked by it and thought it was terrible most of them not a word to say they just went as you said nuclear it was a nuclear fear and

And I was, it was reported to me that almost immediately after my suspension, teachers started slapping rainbow posters up on their classroom walls and doors. In solidarity. Yeah, to make well, and yeah, they didn't have them before, but they suddenly put them up. Well, I mean, I can't, I can't judge the motives, but either in solidarity or in, out of fear, you know, marking their doorpost, so to speak, with the marking that. that would keep them safe. Then your wife gets removed as well.

Are you guys at the same school? Different school. Same school board, different school. Different school. So was she posting or, or, no, no online whatsoever. So her,

her case was a little different. This is about, this is a few weeks after I was suspended. She walks into school. She was a, kindergarten teacher who taught French to kindergarten. And so she walked into her classroom, and as she sees, approach to the door of her classroom, there's a pride flag poster mounted on the door, which she didn't put there. It's her classroom. She didn't put it there. They were not on all the other doors down the classroom. There was no mandate to put them up, but there was somebody who had put one on her door. Okay, so just so I'm, I heard this correct. Yeah. You know, you're walking into school, you got, you know, a grade two class over there, grade one over there, grade four up there.

None of the doors have anything pride on them. Go to the kindergarten class. There's a pride flag. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, teachers are provided. The union makes pride posters and things.

There's always things available to use. And some teachers put them up and some don't. The fact of the matter is, down that hallway, there were, I don't know, maybe there was one. They were not there. It was not a requirement. They were not there. It was on her door that morning, not of her doing. So she just took it off, put it in the class.

and carried on prepped her day and started teaching her students and was then called to the office where the superintendent was waiting and the question was put to her, did you remove that pride flag poster thing from your door? And my wife said yes. And so she was told you are under suspension. So that was it. Oh, my wife then asked, so is it required that I was to have that on the door? And the superintendent responded with we'll talk about that later it was not requirement there was no requirement to happen on the door so um that's it so they were looking for a way to get her up they were looking for a well you would think they were looking for a way to well i i don't know that's my words and and you know i just i just look at it though but it's it's not like she walked in and

it's on every single door it's on her door well no it wasn't a requirement and your wife didn't walk around the school going oh there's one on the wall i'm going to take it off there take it and made a big stink of 15 private one on her door that she didn't put there she takes it off and they call her down for that that's right immediate suspension immediate suspension yeah no discussion if if you don't mind i was curious you know this morning um i was sitting having coffee with a couple guys and we got talking about um marriages you're right and some of the storms uh that come through a marriage you know and some you can see coming from a long time off. You're like, oh, yeah, here comes a storm weather.

You know, it could be a multitude of things. Other things like this, certainly with your son, Josh, being outspoken, you could probably understand there might be some friendly fire, some shrapnel, some like, you know, I forget what that is. There's a word for it regardless. How have, as a married couple, like, has this brought you way closer? Was this difficult? Has it been difficult?

I don't mean to get too personal. Just that I was sitting and talking with a group of men about marriages and some of the storms you face in life and how you get through them. And this to me seems like, you know, you've been a teacher for 20 years. And I don't know if you said how long your wife had been a teacher, but I assume for a similar time period. Like, I assume you enjoyed it. I assume this gave a lot of meaning to life. And then to just have it pulled for one. One, something you didn't do.

You didn't post on social media. And two, for something that looks to me to be very targeted, right? You put it on your, somebody puts it on the door. You take it off and immediate suspension. Like to me, that could be a difficult time or maybe on the flip side. It could really bring a couple closer if you don't mind sharing. Well, I mean, I think losing a job is a challenge. So there's all kinds of difficulties to come into life with that, of course.

But I think what helps in terms of marriage is, I mean, we were on side. We hold the same beliefs. We hold the same principled stance. And yeah, I mean, both of us support each other in the stand that we took. Both of us rejected the boards offered to bow down to their rainbow agenda because we think it's harmful to the kids. And we're not taking part in it. We'll be welcoming. We'll be warm and loving to everybody.

but I'm not celebrating that which I don't want to celebrate. Same way I wouldn't celebrate a Muslim holiday. I'm not doing it. You know, Muslims allowed to be a Muslim. A Jew is allowed to be a Jew, but I'm not celebrating their holidays. So it goes the same way with the LGBT agenda. So, yeah, we're on side together and we're fighting this battle together. It's a shared principle.

I assume the dinner table conversations have gotten a little bit different over the last because this is what 2023 when this all goes down yeah yeah 23 yeah and josh was doing his thing the year prior so it was it was 22 2023 on end and now it's been a it's been a ride where does it sit in the courts like where like um you know i from what i've seen with all these specific to like when you get singled out it seems like instead of it being a month, you're in court, something gets decided, you go back to work, no harm, no foul type thing and you carry on with life. These ones seem to drag on. I assume, you know, here we are two years later. Where does it sit? So currently where it sits is we filed a human rights

complaint against the school board that we're alleging that our human rights to, our creed or belief or religion has been violated because they insisted that we celebrate something which goes against our belief system. And so we asked for a, we informed that we wouldn't be doing that and asked for an accommodation to it. They rejected it and fired us. So on that front, we've got the human rights complaint. We're also bringing in our violation of our charter rights into that same complaint, freedom of expression and freedom of religion and freedom of association. So that's the one channel. And the other channel is we have an action we brought against our teachers union. The teachers union went through the motions of filing a grievance on our behalf.

However, when it came to the fact of us demanding that our charter and human rights be addressed, the union refused to do so. The union refused to pursue it. The union was ready to say, yes, you were wrongfully dismissed and we'll argue that you were wrongfully dismissed. But in terms of your religious freedoms, your freedom of expression, your freedom of association, no, they refused. They said, you'll have to do that on your own. So we are. So that's why we filed a human rights complaint. So anyway, we've taken them to the courts for duty of fair representation. They failed to do that. So that's a second action. And we're very thankful to have the justice center of constitutional freedoms on our side. They heard about our case and have picked us up. And we've got a legal team working for us. And it's an absolute blessing to have those people in our corner. Yeah, well, speaking to the JCCF for a couple of seconds, you know, I was just saying before we started that John Carpe was just on. And it was the first, I've had people who worked for the JCCF on before, but I'd never had John Carpe on, you know, and hearing a bit of his story and certainly what the JCCF does, you know, as an organization here in Canada, it takes on a lot of meaningful battles.

and this one sounds and feels like a pretty meaningful battle for Canadians to pay attention to. Well, yeah. I mean, this, our case, even our union said, this case is, this could be a precedent setting case. This could be big because the government propagated agenda of this DEI has been pushed down everyone's throats. and we see now it's literally a matter of if you won't celebrate it you will be terminated action will be taken against you and if we challenge this I mean I don't have great hope in our courts our courts are very leftist and captured however this is a huge challenge and this is this would be a massive declaration that you know no you can't you can't overreach like that

You can't overstep. That's what we're constantly seeing our governments overreaching and overstepping in every realm of life almost. And this is one of them. And the fact that, you know, people are always surprised when they hear our story, wow, you know, you see the look of shock on their face. How could that be? Well, it shouldn't be a surprise because everyone knows the state of the country. Everyone knows you're not allowed to speak out against the rainbow agenda. right people people speak in hushed tones and and they're careful what they say they go to work

and they watch what they do so everybody knows we're essentially under a communist style regime we just don't want to admit it right we think we're Canada you know it's it's a free country but it's not when you actually look at how people act how people communicate everyone knows it's not free so anyway we're challenging them we're standing up and saying no absolutely not we have a we have a higher calling Yeah, when there's certain narratives that are put out there, and when you talk counter to the narrative, you best buckle up because, well, I always talk about it. You know, you fight the machine.

The machine seems like it has no end to its money, no end to its ability to draw. I mean, just look at Tamara and Leach and Chris Barber right now. still waiting for their verdict. And, you know, you think of how many years that's been going on? You know, and that's just one of many. And certainly here on this side and this audience that falls along with everything that I, that I interview, like it's, as I said, if it was the first time I'd heard anything like this,

I would think it would be wild. Now it's just, you know, it's just another one in a series of red flags of where Canada, is that like this should be a red flag to everybody like you know you can have your thoughts on lgbtq plus you know and everything but when they remove you just like take it as any issue when they remove you for something you didn't do and you have a clean record it kind of speak like they're setting the precedent for whenever the next narrative comes through i don't know climate maybe in in nova Scotia and if you stand up against that then they remove you right and you can just see where this is going to lead us in the future it's already it's already here but where it can go with any of the

next um issues that come along any of the next emergencies that come along any of the next whatever comes along if you don't go along to get along you know think i just i think your story is wild to me because you didn't even put posts online you know like that that's you That's pretty crazy. No. And there are no incidents. There are no incidents of anything done. It was just, well, this person doesn't support the narrative.

It doesn't support the Orwellian agenda. Therefore, there's no room for them. You know, I think it's, I think it's stolen. Somebody texts me on this. I'm pretty sure it's stolen. You know, he'd speak and everybody'd stand up and clap and you didn't want to be the last person clapping. doesn't that feel like you know like if you think about it doesn't that feel like where we're at you and you when you when you stood up and clapped you had to clap with the right amount of enthusiasm enthusiasm enthusiasm yeah yeah oh this is brilliant yeah and then you're looking around and like how long we're gonna clap for guys okay we're gonna keep clapping you know like that's where we're at yeah yeah you think do you think there's getting out of this for Canadians like I mean obviously there is right like guys we just we just

just don't need to do this anymore. And yet, you know, I mean, COVID was, the start of it was five years ago. And the end of it was three years ago. And you'd think we'd be done with all this. And then you watch different things. And we're still not done with it. Right. Well, that's a thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously there are avenues, which are, you know, which could be ways out. Do I have great hope in those avenues? I don't have great hope, no. However, as we saw during COVID, what it took was for people to finally get a backbone and say no, on mass, in unison. And just, you know, so many, and I don't know what it was like where you live, but during COVID, it was terrible here.

We felt like we were quite alone. very few people shared our view on the violations of our freedoms. And when that convoy started to roll across Canada, I can't tell you the excitement. Absolutely fantastic. Okay, you know what? We're taking a stand. You know, I'd been to protest. We'd done what we could, but we were so small and so isolated and so alone to finally be unified,

to have a movement coming that was going to say no. I mean, it changed. It changed Canada and it changed the world. So it's that united noncompliance, peaceful, united noncompliance, just saying, no, enough is enough. Enough is enough. Well, there's an Aristotle quote. It says poverty is the parent of revolution and crime.

And I'm not saying that, you know, you go out and pick up the, you know, the pitchforks and everything else and go and do harm, you know, know peaceful non-compliance is is the words that I caught there but I you know we always you know sitting here and in where I sit I'm just like it obviously hasn't you know in COVID when the freedom convoy got rolling people who even were maybe on the side of like you know like caution and and you know in the fearful when they saw it a ton of people cheered it on right We'd been in it for two full years by that time. And it was the dark days.

Those were dark days. And where we sit now, I wonder about, you know, like, has it gotten tough enough? Do people understand? Like, you understand. Like, I mean, you're absolutely getting ostracized from society in a way that is, is crocking, I guess. Not very inclusive. Right.

opposite of everything they stand for, yes. You know, we love diversity, just not diversity of opinion. That's right. And yet I wonder, like, I wonder if it's gotten to a point yet where people will actually do peaceful noncompliance unified across the country again. To me, I don't know, the penalty of noncompliance, as we're seeing out in Nova Scotia, is going to be big fines, is going to be court cases, is going to be getting dragged through the mud. You know, and I don't know, I guess curious your thoughts. Well, it comes to a point where you have to make a decision. What's more important, my pension, my paycheck for the country we're going to leave our children?

That's really what it boils down to it. That and, you know, in my case, I'm a very, I'm a Christian man and I take very seriously my stance before God. And so that's the first driving factor in my decision. But outside of that, and I know not everybody shares that, outside of that, it comes down to what are you going to leave your kids? You're going to go along and let your country destroy itself in order to make sure you lock in your pension. But what your kids got? Our kids now can't afford to buy a house because we've allowed our country to just deteriorate and be taken over and abused by the governing class. and you have to decide, okay, what am I going to do here?

What am I going to take up, speak up and take up a fight against what is wrong in our country? So I think it was the term of the golden handcuffs, and so much of our society is locked into the golden handcuffs of a pension and a safe paycheck and maybe a government job or whatever it might be. And it depends who you're a slave to. so people have to decide and it depends who you're a slave to that's something to ponder you know I learned I was just I was just telling the story um a couple days ago I was in a small town Alberta uh was getting to uh host a celebrity golf tournament you know and it was after

COVID and so you know I was pretty cool. Uh, you know, when I first started this mad, I was, I was interviewing different hockey figures, you know, and I always say the names like Don Cherry and Rahm McClank because everybody knows who they are, right? I got to interview them. I was super cool. Now it's where I thought this thing was going. And then, you know, now I sit and I talk to Matt Alexander and I, I'm just, I kind of chuckle about, you know, my own journey. But anyways, I'm on the stage. And, uh, it's right at the time when Dylan Mulvaney on the Bud Lake can was. And, you know, I'm full-time podcasting now at the time this is happening.

And I'm not a comedian by any stretch of imagination. But, you know, I've been getting teased in Saskatchewan. We have a beer, Pilsner, right? A green can. It's very symbolic of everything, Saskatchewan. Born and raised from Saskatchewan, right? Now live in Alberta. And so I was drinking a Pilsner most of the day as we went around the golf course.

And I was getting teased about it. And so I got up on stage and I basically was sharing this story to the crowd of, you know, it seems me drinking a pilsner here is pretty funny. I said, you know, something along the lines of, you know, I've been searching low and high to find somebody brave enough to drink a bud light. And I had to come and, you know, said the town's name. And I didn't think it was that funny. I just thought it was clever or whatever. But like the crowd erupted and I had people falling out of the chairs laughing and I was just like, oh man. I guess I'm a comedian now or something.

And I look back at the three NHL guys, not one was smiling. And, you know, it took a few days later from one of my brothers to go, Ron, you realize you're uncontrollable. Like, you don't have the boss above you. Certainly, there's God, I got, but like you don't have the guy holding the purse string saying, nope, you can't say that joke. And he's like, all the people connect to the NHL.

They can't laugh at a Bud Light joke, even as insane as it is, to have a transgendered female on a can of a beer that's drank by people who play rec hockey or I don't know all the go fishing like on and on and on bikers right we saw the bikers all uh ignore them at the big um thing in south Dakota and I can't think of the place right now and somebody's yelling at the radio because they know where I'm talking and I chuckled about that and I'm like ah I never really thought about it before but when you bring up money and and like how people are controlled with fear, the fear are losing one's job. Well, you've worked all your life to be, say, a teacher or what have you.

And to voice any concerns about where the world's going means losing that. And that's the fear, I guess, that people have to wrestle with. Absolutely. Jesus said, fear not him that can destroy the body, but fear him that can destroy both body and soul and hell. And really, that's where it stands. I fear God. I don't fear, man. I don't fear my superintendent.

Yep, she fired me. That was an inconvenience, but life is far bigger than that. So I'd rather do what is right and put my head on my pillow and know that I'm doing the right thing. I'm standing on the right ground. It's far more valuable to me than the others. And that's where people have to make up their mind. Too many people are a slave to the paycheck. And the country will not go well if that's the case.

with your case what are the big dates are there big dates coming up or is there anything for people to pay attention to you know like up until I saw I believe it was Rebel News was the interview I watched and I think there was an article as well maybe Western Standard I can't remember

but regardless I didn't know anything about this at all you know and for a guy in my realm sitting in the chair I sit talking to people I'm probably the thing that shocks me the most is how many people I still have zero clue about. And, you know, I sit and do this five days a week, Matt. Like, we try and track down as many Canadian stories as humanly possible. And then this gets thrown on the line. I don't even know who these people are. And, and, you know, so to maybe

shed a light on, you know, pay attention for November or when it is, what would you point people to, what can they pay attention for with your and your wife's case specifically? Yeah, I don't have specific dates. There are some mediation dates coming up early this fall. I couldn't even tell you what they are off top of my head. They keep changing. So it's tough, tough to really pin anything down. There's going to be a bit of a process here for a while.

There'll be some mediation. There's going to be, again, again, we have the two actions going on, which are separate. And I don't know what. to say about the case against the union, I don't know where it's going to be, how fast it's going to move. You would think it should move quickly because it's given it's a labor-related issue and so many things hinge on it. But I don't know. I mean, I don't know how keen our courts are to take this fight up. I don't think they want to handle this topic. It's a big It's going to be a game changer.

It will change everybody's employment situation, really. Their relationship with their employer, their relationship with their union. And we got a union who refused to represent two of their members' human rights and charter rights. That's wild. That's wild. And to this point, they've been allowed to do it. Well, and if I go, you know, like, I hate to give people any ideas. So I don't even know if I should utter this thought, but it, I mean, it's literally in your story.

If you dislike a coworker, just put up things they disagree with, have them take it down, and then walk in your body and go, look what they're doing. Can't have that. And see what kind of storm bruise after that, right? Like, that to me is the insane part of this. I mean, it's all insane, but to have somebody put something up on your, you're, your door and you just take it down, a simple act of taking it down, not raising a stink about it, you know, just, it's down, or to post something anonymously online about someone

and that come back, I mean, we are in a wild world, and if that doesn't get addressed, it only becomes, I don't know, the house is on fire, folks, and it just burns a little hotter if this doesn't get course corrected, I would say. That's right. Yep. And that's, you know, our case here is, if you want to say it, hopefully it's something that can course correct. And if the courts are too crooked to correct it, at the very least, it can open some

people's eyes to the country they're living in because people are, I feel quite unaware of what's going on in the very country that they live in and that they're building for their children and maybe from there they can make some some wise decisions so one question on Josh if if if if I may just a I guess a father to father I got three young kids you know and and to you know as a parent you're you know you're watching your kids grow and you I don't know if you hope you they never get put in a situation where they where it isn't the adult standing up But at the same time, it's like if they believe strongly in something and that's part of their environment, I assume, like, was there a conversation had before he started talking out?

And were those difficult conversations? Not in the sense of, like, standing up for what you know to be right. Just like the, I mean, it's wild to me that a teenager got framed in a certain light from, like, like, wow, legacy media. You know, I mean, like if he comes on different shows, he's probably welcomed him in and been like, just tell us the story. But others are like, this guy is the Antichrist almost.

Yeah, well, of course, government-funded media paints one picture and independent media paints another. So that's generally the way it works. So, yeah, were there, of course, yeah, there were conversations for sure. Were they hard conversations? know they were serious conversations. You know, how do we proceed? We had to count the cost.

You know, what could happen, lay out all the different possibilities. And we understood that, yeah, things could be crazy. And in the long run, it appears they have been. I know anything. I got social media after I was suspended, after they had already taken me out of work, all right well then i'm i'm getting social media and i began posting you know bible verses and and christian commentary on on things going on pretty wild stuff um yeah and uh i know

those things were frowned upon i know that um but uh and anything anything i said regarding josh or nick his brother or anything that they did that that was uh that was viewed in the negative light um but so be it they're my sons and i agree with what they what they what they what they believe and what they stood for. I don't know if I wandered off your question, but yeah, absolutely. We had to consider what the costs were and what the best approach was. I know in the beginning, you know, I was in there talking to his principal and and communicating back and forth. And finally, when when Josh decided to take bigger action,

He said, all right, you know what? This is your fight. And we raised him to be a strong principal young man. He lived based his life on the word of God. And that was our belief system. And I said, okay, this is your fight. This is your fight. Do it.

And we're in your corner. We're behind you. But instead of, you know, a squawking parent complaining to the school, because that happens all the time, we said, let's have the child. Let's have the child take the school board up. because that's far more meaningful. And it was. You know, that that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, we've got a, uh, a 16-year-old boy standing up doing what thousands of men should have done and didn't.

And, uh, I think it was just far more meaningful. We were there. We were in his corner, you know, we made appearances, but we need to make appearances in, and, and, in support. But it was his fight. He was a young man. He was raised right. and he was he was taken on the battle so yeah we had to discuss it you know to bring in like hockey culture for a second you know um lots of uh parents have to watch their kids go off at whatever

age it is if it's 15 16 17 off to like the higher levels of hockey right and i assume those are you know difficult times or or i don't know maybe just um lots of questions right you're you're sending your child off into the unknown and, and, you know, that's, that's in a sport. In this, were there uneasy moments watching? I mean, like, he went in the lion's den. If it wasn't day after day, it was, or if it wasn't week after week, I mean, it was, it felt like day after day, but, you know, like,

I assume there was some prayer going on for sure, but like, as a parent watching all that play out, how did you, I don't know, I don't even know the question. How did you, how did you and your wife deal with that? Well, I mean, yeah, it was, it was again, well, there's the word we've been using. It was wild. It was wild. But, yeah, our faith and trust was in God, as was Josh's. And what he was doing was right. It was 100% right. He was making the right stand. He had God on his side. And they saw him through. And, you know, there were stuff the media doesn't even know. There were attacks.

There was violence. There was all kinds of stuff that went on. But God saw everyone through. And in the end, I think a pretty clear statement was made. And I think the nation really was left to sit and ponder. All right. Well, where are we at? Is this really what we want?

We really want to squelch people's beliefs, squelge people's freedom of speech and frankly endanger our girls in their private spaces. That's what we're left to do it. And what has our country done about it? Not a whole lot. So, yeah, I believe it's left a mark on the conscience of the nation. And I think what he did was valuable, but it's up to the rest of the, adults in the room, so to speak, to step up and do the right thing.

Man, I appreciate you coming on and doing this and giving me some time this morning. I think people will be very interested to hear this story on this side, if they haven't already. Certainly, my audience is I champion them all the time. They're smarter than me. They're more informed, I swear, than me. they find different people from all across Canada that I've never heard of. And I'm just fortunate enough to have people like yourself say yes and come on and chat. I appreciate you coming on and all the best in your court cases.

And if anything comes up, please reach out. We'd love to help get the word out to different people here throughout Canada, what's happening with your story and others as well. So thanks again. Thanks. I appreciate it. All the best.