Shaun Newman Podcast - #897 - Debbie Moyer

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

Debbie Moyer is a Nurse Practitioner at Leading Edge Clinic. She specializes in Adult Primary Care and Adjunctive Cancer Care, with additional focus on Post-Vaccine Syndrome, Long Haul Covid, Acute Viral Illness, DMSO Care, and Early Treatment. Moyer earned her BSN from Thomas Jefferson University in 1986 and worked as an RN for 24 years, primarily in Medical ICU and home hospice. To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] Money SummitWebsite: ExpatMoneySummit.com

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Today's guest spent 24 years in RN. Now she's a nurse practitioner at Leading Edge Clinic where she focuses on cancer care. I'm talking about Debbie Moyer. So buckle up. Here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Debbie Moyer. So Debbie, thank you for hopping on with me.

You're welcome. Nice to see you this morning. Yes. I've got to give a shout up to Scott first because I was talking about this. You know, I've been getting reached out to by a ton of people that have different forms, different stages. different parts of the body, but all centered around cancer. And he said, well, why don't you talk to Debbie? I'm like, okay. So Debbie, before we get into anything cancer, it's the first time on the podcast. Why don't you give a little bit of history on yourself and enlighten us all on this side?

Okay. I've been a registered nurse since 1986 and went back to school in 2020 and became a nurse practitioner. at the time, I just really believed in the medical system and how things were. I was raised in a family where my dad was a doctor and just really respected the medical system and believe they'd always be there to get us better. And I kind of was shocked once I started working as a nurse practitioner, just really how all I felt I did was prescribed meds and really never got anybody better. but my eyes started to open up when I had my own health crisis. I ended up working in an office and started to feel fatigued all the time, brain fog, gaining weight.

And I thought, oh, it must be my hormones. I'm going through menopause. So I went to see a functional medicine doctor. This was down in like Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Worked with her for about six months. And she just couldn't seem to help me. And she finally said to me, Debbie, I think you're either living in a moldy house or you're working in a moldy office. And I looked at her like I never heard of mold causing illness.

But we did find mold in my office. I was sitting where my desk was right on top of this. There was an underneath part to the floor and it was just full of mold. So that kind of opened my eyes and I started studying functional medicine and realizing that, you know, you can't just say somebody's depressed or somebody stressed or overworked. Usually there's something. underlying that's causing the medical issue. So that's kind of what opened my eyes and kind of brought me to where I am today, working with cancer patients. So you had mold. It's funny because this is like the weird, but it's like the third person to tell me about working in a place with mold and how that affects them. Right, right. Yeah, I used to go into the office and it's almost like I'd feel like a

fog descending upon me and my brain would just start working slower and slower and I'd struggle through the day, you know, and you go see your regular doctor and they say, oh, you're just working too hard or you're depressed or it's your hormones. Yeah, but interesting how I got out of that office and detoxed and got onto a regimen of some medications to detox with and like everything just turned around and had tons of energy. The weight just fell off. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, and it was neat to discover a functional medicine then after that.

Up until your, like your career up until that point, nowhere along the lines. Did you, did you even consider the workplace or like other factors? Like there was nothing that was like, hey, maybe you're breathing in something that's not doing anything good for the body? You know, when I look back on it now, I see it. You know, I think about when I worked in the hospital and in the ICU, and I think now about all the tech and all the EMFs we must have been exposed to and, you know, giving chemo to cancer patients, you know, years ago. I'm just thinking, gosh, all the exposures I had,

I wonder why I never felt that great being in the hospital. And once I'd get out, I'd feel so much better. I'm curious your thoughts. I listened to a podcast while we were on holidays. It was all about sunlight. and it was talking about hospitals specifically and how that in a hospital people don't get a ton of sunlight. And then they had this cancer patient on his deathbed. And his one request was to go outside.

He just wanted to be outside in the sun for one last day type thing. Right. So they roll out his bed. They find a way to get him out there and his everything improves. And they're like, what? So then they take him out the next day and everything improves again. And it's like, you know, I don't know how many days later. but regardless he makes a full recovery.

Yeah. Do you hear that story and go, that is that is a load of malarkey? Are you like, no, there's some, there's some something to that? Yeah, I mean, I think there's some truth to that. I mean, we definitely need sunlight to stay healthy. I mean, I've never seen like a miraculous turnaround from something like that, but I totally believe that for that person, that could have been possible. Yeah, interesting.

Okay, well, then I'm going to spend the rest of the time talking about cancer. I've had so many people texting me. I assume, you know, partly to do with the shot and things on that end, but also just people, maybe that just got cancer from smoking and different things like that, I don't know. You walk me through some thoughts on cancer because people are at their wits end here in Canada specifically. I can't talk to the rest of the world, although I do get text from the rest of the world. What can you tell us about cancer and treating it?

Yeah. Let me tell you a little bit more about my background. Part of my nursing career, I worked in hospice, so I was taking care of a lot of cancer patients, and I would say this was about 20 years ago. And then the last couple of years, I was doing on call for a hospice company, so I saw a lot of cancer patients kind of post-pandemic and post-COVID vaccine. And definitely I could see a difference in the patients. You know, years ago, cancer patients would come onto hospice and they would be just skin and bones.

They would have been years battling cancer, chemo, radiation, and would have slowly, you know, just be very skinny and caectic. Now, what I saw in the last couple of years, I'd get. called into a patient's home who'd be on their deathbed with cancer. And instead of this skinny little weak person, you'd see like a healthy, you know, strong guy whose wife says, oh, he was just out cutting the grass two weeks ago. And now he's on his deathbed. And just looking at the patient's body, they still had muscle mass and fat and they look strong, but they were dying of cancer. So a totally different picture from what I had seen in the past.

So like, okay, go 2019 and earlier. You're dealing with cancer people. Cases, people with cancer. I don't know what to call you folks. Yeah. You're walking in and you paint a pretty good picture. You walk in and it's, they're frail. Right.

They've been dealing with this for a long time. Right. Then 2020 hits and since then, you know, I keep hearing turbo cancers and in my brain I hear fast. like the onset of it is just bang and you're done and what you're noticing is healthy human beings in front of you they don't have the long drawn out they look frail it's like holy crap you can actually see this right in front of your eyes then from your experience of dealing with them yeah yeah totally different picture i'm not saying that every single cancer patient has been that way but um you know a fair amount of them that it kind of surprises me that the picture is so different

Yeah, and more families kind of in shock, you know, not that they've been dealing with this for three years or five years, you know, just like boom, new diagnosis and now we're dying. And there's nothing the doctors can do for us. Well, on this side, you know, I know it's just analytical data, but like, you know, the amount of people I know right now who are within probably 35 to 55 range with cancer is, I feel like in saying, but maybe it's just, you know, I'm like, well, maybe it's just my friend group. I don't think so. But, like, everybody just seems to think it's normal. Like, do you see normal trends and numbers, or are you like, oh, no, it's exploding? I mean, I don't know if it's just a situation that I'm in, you know, that that's the work I'm doing and the referrals that I'm getting. But, I mean, from what I hear from friends and family,

they know more and more people that are dying from cancer, you know, But like my sister in particular, her and her husband, some of their friends group, you know, it's like, oh, they're going to another funeral. Oh, another funeral, you know, and there are people in their 50s and 60s, which is totally different than what it was years ago. Usually it be people in their 80s or 90s, yeah. Is cancer, obviously cancer, well, actually, I don't know. Did cancer historically prey on, let's say, the 60 plus? Or has it always been, you know, like anyone can get it at any time? I think it's always been more the elderly population.

You know, I think people basically felt pretty safe that they weren't going to have cancer unless they were older and debilitated. But I think more and more people are walking around thinking, geez, when is it going to hit me? Or every little pain they have, they think, oh, my gosh, I better go. get a scan and make sure, you know, I don't have cancer. I hear more like young nurses talking like that, which kind of surprises me. It's like, gosh, I can't believe you're thinking that, that you need to go get a scan to

rule out cancer and you're only 32 years old. Yeah, and I don't mean to, like, I've certainly heard the stories of the 20-year-old that gets cancer. I'm not saying that there isn't previously cancers. Just to that it seems like there's more and more. Like, once again, I had Dr. Maca's on. And after I did that, my phone has been a little bit of a weird thing where I'm getting, you know, I'll give everybody that's listening a case in point. Silver Gold Bull is one of my major sponsors. And they have their contact info on the Macass episode, as they do on every episode. So if you want to buy silver and gold, folks, you can go just down on the show notes. And they ask to have it removed from the Macas episode because there's been so many people reaching out about cancer and trying to figure out some way to. counteracted and i guess debby that like when people are coming to leading edge right they're

they're they've got cancer they're talking to you are you pushing them to chemo radiation all those things or are there other things that they can do i mean here in canada to get into half this stuff you you got weightless and other things going on right there's things that people can do to counteract yeah yes yeah so when when i see them. Most of my patients, they've already been seen by an oncologist, and they're already started on chemo or radiation. I would say maybe half are at that point. Some of them, it's just a new diagnosis. They've already had their biopsy, and they're kind of waiting for the oncologist's plan. Some are, they haven't even had a biopsy yet, and they're at the point where they're like, I want to be on

some meds to help prevent, you know, metastatic disease when I do have a biopsy yet. And they're at the point where they're, they're like, I want to be on some meds to help prevent metastatic disease when I do have a biopsy. I don't know if you've heard people talk about biopsies and, you know, does it spread the cancer cells as you break open, you know, the tumor and take the biopsy? Are you spreading the cancer cells already? So I would prefer my patients come to me like early on because I think it's a great option to be on some repurpose medications that are preventing like metastatic spread. and just help the patient's body be more resilient to radiation, chemotherapy.

The medications can really, the repurpose medications that we use can really help the patient's body tolerate the whole normal oncologist's treatment regimen a lot better and make it more effective. When they go in and take out a tumor or cancer lump, I call it what you want, does it spread? I mean, I don't know if there's scientific, you know, evidence or there's been studies on that. I really don't know. But I would imagine if you open something up inside somebody's body, some of it's going to leak out. And, you know, what's the chance of that spreading somewhere else? I don't know.

I feel like it's better to leave something contained and alone and start some repurpose medications before you go messing with something. I guess I always just assume. And I know this is, this is, forgive me folks, because this is going to be a dumb question. But I know not, like, I just assumed it would be like taking out an organ or something. It just doesn't spread all over your body after you remove it. That's not the way a cancer lump works then?

You know, I don't, I don't have scientific evidence. I don't have study to tell you, yes, this is what happens or no, it doesn't happen. But I would just think to be on the safe side, best to be. have your body prepared and your body's terrain in the best place that it can be before you go messing around with stuff. I don't know if Dr. Macchus would agree with me or not on that. I know he's an oncologist. Interesting. Okay.

So I come to you. I'm looking for repurpose drugs to help with a cancerous lump that, you know, I'm sitting here and I'm going, okay, well, I got to get ahead of this. How do I do it? Come see Debbie. Debbie, are we going down? You know, there's a ton of talk of Ivermectin. There's a ton of talk of one other thing that I can never spit it out with the word.

Oh, my Bendazol. Thank you. Orphambenzol. Yeah. Those two things are talked about around the water cooler quite a bit. And everybody, I think, struggles with the second one. And I'm not even going to try and repeat it here. Is that what you're pushing people towards?

Is those two drugs or is there other things for people to consider as well? Yeah. Those two drugs are included on our regimen, but we're also spending a lot of time on the keto diet. So ketogenic diet, high fat, high protein, low sugar diet, low carbs. So that's a big part of our program because cancer cells, they do feed on sugar. So we too try to get the patient, they meet with one of our nurses and spend an hour with the nurse just discussing diet. And then the other part is the repurpose medications and nutraceuticals. So we've got ivermectin and mabendazole.

Mabendazol is the prescription human form of fenbendazole, which is a veterinary medication. Both are antiparacytics, but both medications have great anti-cancer properties. They cause cancer cells to die. They cut off blood supply that feed cancer cells. they decrease metastatic spread. So those two are prescription medications that we use. And then we use a lot of nutraceuticals like vitamin D and vitamin C, quercetin, resveratrol. Two that are really big right now are green tea extract or EGCG and curcumin.

Definitely use those two. So it's a lot of, it's a lot of pills to swallow for our patients and some of them aren't feeling so well. And sometimes it's a hard thing to do the daily schedule and get all the pills down. We do get a lot of phone calls to our nurses from family members trying to work around. You know, how do we get all these pills down in the day in somebody who might not be feeling that great? How many cancer patients are you working? with? I would say, I've not counted what my panel is, but I would say I have about 75 right now. And then there's other doctors that I'm working with and nurse practitioners, and they also have a

panel of patients. So, you know, there's hundreds that we're taking care of. And have you found, I mean, like, I assume, and once again, assumption is a dangerous thing. So correct me if I'm wrong. I just assume cancer for the most part acts very similar no matter where it is in the body. That may be a terrible assumption. So if you have 75 people with 75 different cancers, even if they're relatively similar, when you're prescribing these series of or a protocol, have you been having success where like, you know, somebody with stage and you can walk me through the story if you like, but have you been having success with these protocols?

Yeah, I'll give you a couple of stories. I have a patient prostate cancer. And early on, I believe he just had the biopsy. And that's where he ended up with me then before he pursued anything further. And with prostate cancer, we follow the PSA, the lab test. So that's really nice to have a marker with the number that you can see. And his number, let's say it was like a six when we started. And And one month later, just working on his diet, cutting out sugar, and taking some of these nutraceuticals, his PSA went from a six to a five in one month's time. So that was very, very promising. And I would imagine the next time I see him, it'll be down even further and further. And his goal is to prevent having to have his prostate removed and prevent having to need radiation or chemo. I've got another two patients that are elderly in their 80s with pancreatic cancer.

And pancreatic cancer, typically, you don't see those people live for a very long time. They quickly are on hospice. They maybe get through one or two chemos, and then they're on hospice care. But these two patients actually, they're working with oncologists. They are getting chemo, and then they're also doing the medications. and both of them, their cancer markers are going down, and every time they go for a scan, the tumors are a little bit smaller, a little bit smaller,

and their oncologists are kind of shocked, you know, like, wow, it's a little smaller. And, of course, the oncologists don't know that they're also taking repurpose medications. But here's another story, which is interesting. A woman who probably about 60 years old had a tumor between her, in her urator, which is a little tube between the kidney and the bladder that carries the urine, there was a tumor there that was cancerous. She had a biopsy. She had chemo twice, and she was on our medications.

So she went for surgery to remove the tumor. And when she went in for her post-op visit, the doctor was kind of embarrassed. And he said, you know, we biopsyed the tumor. He said there was no cancer there. So she never even needed that surgery. So in mind, I'm thinking, oh, my God, thank God, they didn't take her bladder out, you know. It was just they re-took out the section of the urtur where the tumor was and reconnected it. And, you know, she's fine.

But, you know, there's another instance where cancer was gone after some chemo and repurposed meds. And she really didn't even need the surgery. If you were going to point to, okay, so I would assume your advice, and once again, assuming again today, seems to be the common word I'm using this morning. If I tomorrow got diagnosed with cancer, you would probably say come to Leading Edge. But before even I could meet with Leading Edge, is there something you're like, okay, you want to make sure, you've mentioned a bunch of different things like the keto diet, right? Because cancer cells feed on sugar, which I've heard a lot.

But then, you know, like the common talk around is. the the ivermectin and the fenbezzle no i can see i tried yeah and actually you cleared up something for me because i didn't really uh the men men benes yeah thank you is the human form and the fen is the veterinarian right right right what you're saying is people are taking the veteran i'm just because here yes because they've they've basically made it almost impossible to get ivermectin so what do they get the vet form. And if this is another one of those cases, then you've just cleared that up for me,

why I've heard the two different words, and I've always just assumed there were two different drugs, but one's vet and one's human form, which would mean that would be why people are doing that as well. Now, when you're, okay, you say, come to leading edge, come see Debbie. But in the meantime, you want to start on something to make sure you're being proactive,

because we don't want to let this wait. We want to start going after it immediately, I assume, again, what would be the thing that is most proactive for people that are sitting chasing any doctor, whether it's William Macis, it's leading edge, it's other forms of cancer treatment. What are you seeing that you're like, this would be the thing to start doing? Yeah. I mean, I'd always say first, you know, you want to make sure start cutting out all the sugar from your diet, don't be drinking soda and diet soda, you know, make sure you're drinking good filtered water and cutting out all the sugary foods, the cakes and cookies and all the things that we

love. So focus on that. Get your vitamin D level up. Get outside in the sun every day. Stand on the ground with bare feet so you can ground. So I would be working on that, cutting down stress level. And then, you know, suppose you couldn't get into a doctor for a long time. You had to figure out what to do in the meantime. Definitely would start some vitamins first. So vitamin D3, I would start curcumin, which comes from turmeric, which is a root. It's a red. It looks like ginger. If you see it in the grocery store, and they make curry sauces out of that. So curcumin, I would start on that twice a day. And I would definitely either drink green tea, organic green tea, two cups. a day or I'd buy a green tea supplement and take one or two of those every day. And some vitamin

C for sure twice a day. So those would be some of the vitamins that I would start with. And if I had a hard time getting into a provider that could order Ivermectin for me or mebendazol, I might seek to buy it, you know, from another source. You know, some people get medications from India. Some people use the veterinary form of medications. But I would, if it were me, I would be looking for some ivermectin or some fembenazol that I could get without a doctor's prescription if I couldn't get a doctor to treat me. Well, I don't know. I can't speak to American side of this. The Canadian side, the Ivermectin thing specifically was, and probably still is a bit insane, right? Like it's horse dune. or Debbie. I don't know if you knew this. And so, you know, like, it has been, and I'm sure I'm

going to have somebody text me, said, oh, you can, you can go grab it from here. But for the longest time, you couldn't grab it anywhere except for the veterinary form in Canada. And so I find your list, did you do that? I'm just curious. You know, it's, I think of a podcast that had a while back, Debbie, on, on like prepping. And it's like, you know, in my brain. It's all these crazy things like go build a bunker and the guy said do you got booster cables and I'm like booster cables? What? Yeah, I got booster cables. He's like do you know how to use them? I'm like yeah. I'm like I was so I was waiting for this like big answer and I don't know if you did this If you thought about the way you just rattled those off or if I just picked up on it but but you wouldn't you didn't jump first thing to do is go grab Ivermectin and start jamming it down your throat at a high dose level you went Vitamin D, get some sunlight, stand on the ground, grounding, remove the sugar. And I go, I probably don't, well, in the summertime here in Canada at least, we get enough,

we have the kids outside a ton and myself as well. But standing on the ground, like actually taking your shoes off and actually being on the ground, why would that help? Yeah, you know, just by putting your feet on the ground, you're, I don't know, all the science behind it, but, you know, we've got this bio, I don't know what you call the field around us, bioelectric field, but, you know, we need to connect with the earth to kind of, this is where we need Scott Marsland with the scientific explanation, but, you know, I just think it rebalances, it does something with our electrons. So it's just something so important. I mean,

we were, we're, God made us to be outside and in connection with the earth and we're, You know, we wear rubber salt shoes and we're in concrete buildings and we've lost our connection to the earth. So I think the earth is just so healing. So, you know, whether you can take a walk on the beach or a walk in your grass or some people buy grounding sheets for their beds to sleep on so that you're grounding when you're sleeping or they'll have mats that they can sit on or put their feet on in their house. But, yeah, I think that's something that's really important. And I think that's something that science is just starting to discover more of the electrical part of our bodies and how things work. And I wish I could explain that better, but I can't.

And I bet you I can hear different people who've been on. I think maybe the medical field is starting to accept it more instead of discover it. I think they're just starting to accept it more that this is actually a part of the problems we face in society, especially in the concrete jungle, surrounded by things. with computers, cell phones, you name it. You mentioned back when you're working in the hospital how many different machines you're surrounded by and we just never think of the things

that are floating between those. And in today's world, I feel like everybody's starting to think about it more and more. Now, if I go down the list, so you got sunlight, stand on the ground, and the next one, which I just think, we just came off camping and I just think the sugar component in our daily diet,

the North America diet is I don't know of a better word to describe it than insane like everything you go to the the supermarket you go to a big giant store you're going to pay you've done everything right and then the last like hundred feet they just jam every possible like temptation they can right that aisle is is like when people come to you and they're sitting there and okay I got I got I got stage for cancer what do you suggest Yes. You're like, well, how much sunlight are you getting? Get out in the sun every morning, every night, every day, just soak up the sun. Stand on the ground. I'm like, uh-huh. No, I'm looking for like something serious. Okay, you want something serious? Remove all the sugar. How hard is that for people these days? Or is it like they can do it, flick a switch?

You know, some people are great and they're really driven to be perfect with the keto diet. But a lot of patients, they're older, they're 60s, 70s, 80s, and they just don't want to have that stress. They feel so stressed by doing a perfect diet. And, you know, I meet people where they are. And my patients, some of them, the two pancreatic cancer patients, they're both still eating sugar in their diets every day, and their tumors are shrinking. You know, the one gentleman still has his rice every day.

The other lady, she still has her sourdough bread. And I'm not one to beat people up over diet. I kind of meet them where they are and just encourage, you know, try to eat as much organic food that you can and stay away from the sugar. But I feel like it's a lot bigger than just that. I think doing the nutraceuticals and the repurpose meds, the Ivermectin, mebendazole, are really important. One thing I've noticed with a lot of my patients on the first visit, I always try to take notice. if they've got a smart watch on. And if I see that smart watch, I'm like, take that, you got to take that watch off.

I mean, you're just connected to Wi-Fi. And it's amazing the people that wear it 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It's like strapping a cell phone on your body. And I often wonder, is that more of a trigger for some of these patients, along with maybe the COVID shot or maybe being shedded on by someone else who had the COVID shot? So definitely go ahead. Do you have unvaccinated cancer patients? Yes.

And it's surprising that I would say half of our patients are unvaxed and half are vaccinated. When I start at this position, I assumed that most people would be COVID vaccinated that I would be seeing for cancer. But I think it's affecting the unvaccinated just as much as a vaccinated. Yeah. And I think there's more to it, you know, maybe. all the Wi-Fi were exposed to and the shedding from just being around other people that have had the vaccine. I just had Scott Marzland and Tiffany, oh, forgive me Tiffany, I can't think of your last name off.

Cozanetto, Cousinetto. Wow. Cool. Anyways. And they got talking about augmented NAC. Right. Are you using augmented NAC with cancer patients as well? You know, not typically, but if I do have a cancer patient and maybe they've experienced long-haul

symptoms with fatigue and brain fog before their cancer diagnosis, or if they want me to look at what's their spike level, their COVID spike level, or their microclotting level, then we may add, you know, some augmented NAC, but not typically. I think NAC actually has some anti-19. cancer or pro-cancer properties. So typically kind of stay away from that. If somebody had high spike levels or high microclotting, I probably would look to use something like natokinase or serapapapase or bromoline, baby aspirin. Solodexide is another something that is really good for thinning the blood and healing the lining of the endothelio cells. So I probably would stay away from the NAC for cancer patients.

Okay, I'm going to go back to, I've just found out I have cancer. Instead of throwing things at a wall and seeing what sticks, other than like I think the sunlight stand on ground and removing as much sugar. And I guess when you say I meet them where they are with the sugar thing, I guess my brain goes, you know, like we have honey from the farm. And I go, well, that type of sugar is way different than a can of Coke. I think we could both agree on that, correct? Right.

I agree. I agree. So like, to me removing all the sugar, no, to me it's more like remove everything you just said when you first mentioned sugar, which is like the Coke, the diets, the, you know, you walk in the supermarket. You see all the chocolate bars and all the manufactured sugars. Yeah, the processed foods. Thank you, the processed food. Right, right. If you, is there a way to get on a protocol?

Like, is there a protocol sitting out there like, hey, listen, if you're here, start taking these things at these, you know, because that's one of the big things that I get texted about. It's like, I got Ivermectin. I just don't know how much to take. I have all these different things. I just don't know how much to take. And I'm waiting to get in to see whoever. Is there a way to find a protocol sitting online, start here, but please book an appointment as soon as possible so that we can start to monitor and get you the right levels and dosages? Is there anything like that for people?

Because they, like, I listed off everything. I'm like, okay, that's all right. But then, okay, they run out and they buy everything. Right. The next thing they're going to be trying to figure out is, well, how much do I take of all this? Right, right. I mean, I would think if you have the veterinary brand of something, you know, it wouldn't hurt to start a tiny dose. You know, I think typically the ivermectins, I think they come in three milligrams, six milligrams, 12 milligrams.

I mean, it wouldn't hurt to start a small dose every day. And the same with the fembenbenzol or mebendazol, you know, starting like 100 milligram dose every day until you get into a provider that can monitor you. you know, mabendazol or fembendazole can be really hard on the liver. So you need to have a provider who's monitoring your liver function numbers. So it's not really something you want to just do on your own. But that would be what I would reach for if I didn't have access, though, to a provider. And I had someone who was really sick and they could only get one pill a day. I would try to get an ibermectin and a fembenazol, you know, down.

Yeah, well, I'm trying, I'm walking my, you know, because I get asked about it all the time, you know, so I keep steering people here in Canada, William Maccas. Right. The thing I hear from Dr. Maccas all the time is it's like, they're like flooded with people and trying to keep up with the demand. Right. And, you know, at one point, you know, did I believe Dr. Maccas? Yes. But, you know, maybe I didn't fully understand. And then now seeing how many people text about cancer.

is, I don't know. I was saying to Scott, after we were done our interim, I don't know. To me, I just, it's insane. You know, you have one of your major sponsors to go, can you just take our number off that? We get, we get calls. People are calling a gold provider trying to find Dr. Max's contact info or assuming it's Dr. Max's info. They're just, they're desperate, I guess, is the word.

And desperation, I'm like, I'm trying my best to give people access to information they normally wouldn't get. They go into their health care here in Canada and they get steered to probably radiation and the standard here it is. But as soon as they start doing that, if they can get that going, they're looking for alternatives of like, what else is there? And I don't know, you come from the health care system. Are they talking about ivermectin and these different things of like, oh yeah, and you should start this? Like, I assume that's not the case. No, most of my patients, if they mention ivermectin or mabendazol to their oncologist, most of them will say, oh, that's toxic, you know, that's going to kill you. You know, you can't, or I'm not going to

take care of you if you take those medications. So most patients won't share that information with their, with their doctor. If their doctor does know that they're taking those, that'll be the first thing that they'll blame if someone starts to become anemic or their white blood cell count starts to go down. say you better stop that Ivermectin or that Mabendazol. Yeah, but yeah, Dr. Macchus does send us quite a few patients to take care of. So I really appreciate those referrals and myself. And I work with the Dr. Chris Lee and we're actively, you know, taking referrals and taking new patients, you know, every week. So, you know, tell your people that are listening to you to reach out for us. you know, we'd be more than happy to help them.

Just trying to think if there's other questions. Like, if I missed anything when it comes to cancer, Debbie? Because, like, once again, I'm going to harp on this the entire time we talk about how many people reach out about it. And I keep saying, you know, like, I'm glad Scott's like, oh, yeah, we deal with cancer. And I don't know if I knew that before. I was like, oh, I just assumed it was, and this will sound stupid, but I just assumed it was Vax injured or people having issues with shedding. Right? Like there, but once again, that doesn't play out in a standard form of, we're just dealing with brain fog.

That plays out in, uh, uh, probably hundreds of different ways. And so finding out leading edge deals with cancer. I'm like, okay. Well, is there other things that people with cancer, especially ones that find out they have cancer, are desperate, are panicking, can do in the, in term of finding, whether they get to Dr. William Mackis, they get to leading edge. Is there something else that you're like, you know, you're thinking of, you're like, yeah, you might want to start doing these other things. Oh, gosh. I mean, there's always more nutraceuticals and things. Something that I've noticed with my pancreatic cancer patients and which Dr. Paul Merrick, we follow Paul Merrick's book and his research on cancer care.

I don't know if you've seen that book, Cancer Care, by Dr. Paul Merrick. he's looked at all the research of all the repurpose medications and studies that have been done regarding cancer and he's kind of come up with the top things but a quercetin I think a lot of people heard about during COVID as something that was very helpful to take with ivermectin and that actually has I think three different cancer pathways that it works in and both of my pancreatic cancer patients that are having success they are both on quercin. something else that is relatively new that I've noticed is a CBD oil, which is something that you can get from various websites. I always recommend an organic CBD oil. And it actually has a lot of different anti-cancer properties.

It works in different pathways that kill cancer cells, cut off blood supply to cancer cells. So, you know, it's a natural plant, you know, the hemp plant, and we're not using the THC component. We're using the CBD, which has some anti-cancer properties. So, you know, I think there's lots of natural things in the natural world, you know, different herbs. Recently, I've been suggesting to some long-haul patients that are having trouble with healing their gut or their brain or their lungs from COVID vaccine. There's herbs that are actually very healing and they call them vulnerable herbs.

And I've been suggesting those to some of my patients. Of course, everything I suggest, just about everything, I've taken myself to help with my own long-haul COVID. So I kind of can see the things that I think have been beneficial and things that have not been. Something I recently started is an herb called cleavers.

And it's something that you can make a tea with or you can buy an herbal tincture. and amazing how within two weeks all of a sudden you start to just feel a little bit more alive. And all it is is a natural herb that can work on healing, but the lining of your gut, your lungs, your skin. Anyway, so I think some of the natural things I think we haven't discovered yet, but I'm starting to feel like God's got everything out there for us. And we've just gotten a little bit too far away from the natural world. then maybe it's just right in front of us and we're missing it.

He certainly does. I would agree. And I think you've given me one other thing that I think is really important. You know, like you listed off all the things and I wrote them all down. I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, that makes sense. The one on there, you mentioned a book. And Dr. Paul Merrick is probably a great resource. And I'm sure there are a lot of others.

And that is you can pick out, you go buy a book. and read about it from experts. Just no different than people are listening to it on podcasts. And you could probably find a lot of information out by picking up Dr. Paul Merrick's book, I assume, yes. Yes, yes. And I would say a lot of my patients, before they come and see me,

and we get on our first phone call, they show me their book. They're like, I've got the book. I've read the book. So people are very educated. So, yeah, that would be the first thing I would do, go out and buy a good book that goes over the science behind all the different options.

And for everybody listening, now I have a new guest, I have to try and track down. We're going to try and track down Dr. Paul Merrick, because I think that would be, to me, one of the things here in 2025 that I'm like, I just got to try and find more people to come on and talk directly to cancer because it has become really prevalent. You know, like I just, I can't over, I can't state it enough how many times I'm getting texted about somebody having cancer. And the word I would use is desperate. They're just like, I need to get in contact with Dr. William Macchus.

And I want to have more options for them than just send an email here. And then when I talk to Dr. William Macchus, hearing that he's sending you leading edge clients, I'm like, oh, he has run off his feet. And so people need to hear that more. But then there has to be options. And so I appreciate you coming on today because I, You know, I want to try and give people hope options to go down. Maybe everybody can get into Dr. William Macchus at some point.

Maybe that's never a possibility. You know, I hear you have 75. I'm like, oh, man, I mean, dealing with 75 patients, I don't know what type of workload that is, but trying to get and monitor people going through this, I assume that's heavy. Maybe I'm wrong on that. It is, but what makes a big difference is we do have registered nurses

that are working with us at Leading Edge. So they spend lots of time with our cancer patients. So if they're having problems, the nurses are on the phone with them or they're on the patient portal, giving them suggestions or options to try to help them. So it's not that I'm alone. And I think that's what Dr. William Macchus, when he refers as patients,

there are people that do need more attention than just, here's your protocol, here's what you need to do. They also need that nursing support and, you know, the more frequent monitoring. So that is something that we offer. And yeah, I work with a great group of nurses. Debbie, is there any other final thoughts you have before I let you out of here this morning? I appreciate you giving me some time. Is there any final thoughts you have for anyone dealing? It doesn't have to be just cancer. Certainly that's been the topic of today. But, you know, any final thoughts before I let you off?

You know, I would look into some natural therapies as well. You know, I really love DMSO, and there's lots of books on DMSO and how that can be healing for different situations. And then also chlorine dioxide is another therapy that's out there. So I would definitely suggest to people to get a book and read about those things because there's lots of options of ways. to help yourself besides just the, you know, the standard oncology. There's lots of adjunctive things you can add in there to make your body stronger and help you to heal.

One final question then. You know, in any of this, catching these things early would probably be the best, correct? Like, finding out well before it gets advanced stages would be the best. Is there anything a person can do? that is a simple test or along those lines where you can go in and catch, whether it's cancer or it's the microclotting, it's all these different things, that you'd be like people should be, whether you're vaccinated, unvaccinated, you got stage four cancer, you feel like you're healthy,

going through the last few years that we've all endured. Is there something that could help people, oh, I got, oh, I got to take care of this? Is there anything to help catch things early that you would suggest? You know, the only cancer marker is that PSA that I think for men is something to monitor. And if you start to see that trending upward, you know, you definitely want to see a provider and start on some repurpose medications. There aren't easy cancer markers like that for like breast cancer or cervical cancer or, you know, pancreatic cancer.

I would just suggest, I mean, what I do personally for myself is I just, I am on some of these nutraceuticals every day. I do take a little ivermectin and mabendazol one day every week. I do take baths with chlorine dioxide. I use a little DMSO. So I am actively trying to detox my body and try to stay away from the ice cream, which is hard for me, especially in the summertime. I kind of grew up on got to have an ice cream cone, you know. So I definitely would just be proactive and be on a program to prevent. I'm not big with mammograms and frequent scans and things like that, although I think there are some healthier options with a thermography now

that women can have for mammograms. Well, I appreciate you coming on, Debbie, and all the best in the future, you know, with everything going on. But appreciate you coming on and giving us some time this morning. You're welcome. Nice to spend some time with you. Thank you.