Shaun Newman Podcast - #905 - Matt Ehret

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Matt Ehret is a Canadian journalist, lecturer, historian, and founder of the Canadian Patriot Review and co-founder of the Rising Tide Foundation. He is a prolific writer and commentator on geopolitics, history, and cultural issues, with works published in outlets like Asia Times, Global Times, The Duran, Strategic Culture Foundation, and Zero Hedge. Ehret is known for his historical analyses, particularly through his book series "The Untold History of Canada" (four volumes) and "The Clash of the Two Americas," which explore themes of national sovereignty, the influence of the British Empire, and the American System versus global imperialism.To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] Money SummitWebsite: ExpatMoneySummit.com

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I'm talking about Matt Erritt. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Numa podcast. Today I'm joined by Matt Erick. For those waiting for Matt Erritt and EM Burling Game, he couldn't join us today. So he had some issues on his end. So it's me and you today, big fella.

All right. Okay. Sounds good. That's all right. It's okay. I mean, I was asking you over here like 10 seconds before I click record. I'm like, I'm just going to click record. Because we'll end up sitting chatting for 20 minutes on all the things.

we could be chatting about. You know, one of the big ones is Carney. I know your research has taken you down some rabbit holes on that. But then, of course, you brought up Putin and Trump meeting in Alaska. And I haven't had anyone talk about it. Even Tom and Alex. We never got into that. We got into the Trump saying that they should charge Soros and his son with Rico

and down that rabbit hole a little bit. And so I'm like, you know, Matt, if you want to, to pull it in a direction. You just pull. Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, well, you know, I think it's a, it's, it was a pretty interesting historical choice to select Alaska of all places in the world to have this, this very important meeting. And we are to both like so Alaska, especially from a Canadian standpoint, has extremely high value for especially those who are sensitive to the deeper, often underappreciated, but very, very causal sort of nexus.

our entire history of why is Canada? What is what is up with this strange configuration that you and I have talked about for the past, you know, 150 years since the British North America Act? Like, why? Are we a monarchy with a privy council and all the stuff? You can't understand any of that stuff unless you look at the, the strategic reasons why Alaska was sold by the Russians to the Americans back in, was it 1867?

I think it was like March 18. And when you get into the mind space of global geostrategic thinking at that time of world change, you start seeing that there are certain things that are being recaptured today potentially. It could be, there's a lot of good, a lot of valuable potential for a world of harmony that picks up where we left off 150 years ago or it could go sour as well. So I, you know, I wrote a book called In Defensive Manifest Destiny on the Untold History of Canada series back in 2013, and I republished it in 2019, where I zeroed in on why Russia saved the United States, when America was about to be destroyed in the midst of the civil

war that had a lot of city of London, a lot of Wall Street, a lot of Canadian banks and deep state actors who are working to break up the union through civil war back then. It was specifically Russia that came in, and Zar Alexander II was an admirer of Abraham Lincoln and vice versa. They were both known as the Great Liberators. Both men at the same period in 1860 had freed the slaves. Alexander II was 25 million serfs who had been held under feudal control were freed in Russia. And that was just a few months before Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation that released the four million bonded slaves, black slaves in America as well. And both of them were very aware of the subterfuge of global.

British intelligence operations with their fifth colonists in Russia and in America. Both of them had had a very, very good familiarity with that. Russia had just gone through their own British, French trap that nearly destroyed them in the Crimean War of 1853 to 56. And that was the period that Alexander II came in and realized how these old bloodlines, these old princes and family, like higher, I don't want to call it higher, but these these oligarchical families in russia had worked to basically bring about um a disastrous outcome let's just call it that by expanding russia into the weakening autumn empire and that was a trap that was set by the british so they had a pretty big familiarity there was a cleaning house a

cleaning out of the swamp that alexander the second and his and his reformers brought into motion and the same thing was happening with lincoln who had understood very well the Wall Street, skull and bones type of operations that had worked to destroy America from within by breaking it up around the slave-no-slave dichotomy. And he survived. Both men survived their own assassination attempts. Both of them had a common vision of a world beyond empire based upon cooperation and this more Christian idea of loving your neighbor, working with trust of other civilizations that would benefit through building big projects.

So Russia sent their whole battle fleet. I mean, Alexander II, 1863, sent the Russian battle fleet, the Navy to New York and San Francisco with orders that if Britain or France militarily openly engage on the side of the Confederacy, then that would mean Casas Belli with Russia. And that was enough of a disincentive that kept those imperial powers out from at least on an official level. they were still supplying military and financing and logistical support to the Confederacy, but they at least weren't going at it with the 10,000 troops in Canada who were not deployed to go and fight Lincoln from the north, which did nearly happen. So that turned the tables in a large way, and then Lincoln system was so successful and admired that it was applied in Russia in the wake of 1865.

And also in France, in Germany under Bismarck, you had it being done also in Asia. You know, yeah. Sorry to interrupt you, but this is going to bug me because we've talked about this specifically, the Russian fleet coming over. And if people go back and listen, you could probably hear me with relatively the same amazement. I'm like, I never learned that. Now I've heard you talk about it. I'm like, I've gone and done a little bit of research around it myself. I've read some of your books.

And I'm like, huh, that's wild. I don't know if you'd ever told me or if I just, you know, who knows, maybe one. went in one ear and one with the other, that Russia owned Alaska. I, I didn't know that. So you're saying, basically why, and like four years after all this is going on, roughly, what you're talking about, in 1867, the Russians sell Alaska to the Americans. Yep. And that was, that was an amazing maneuver.

that had been carried out by the surviving Lincoln Republican Secretary of State, William Seward. The negotiations had already begun when Lincoln was still alive. And Lincoln actually gave a speech at a state of the Union in December of 1864 that people could still read the transcript of where he calls for the extension of the transcontinental railway that had been begun in 1863 in the midst of the Civil War. And the idea in Lincoln's mind was to extend that northward through British Columbia into Alaska, across the Bering Strait. and he has a whole speech on the Bering Strait telegraph and rail line that was to be connected. He also included rail connections down through Latin America, through Central America, connecting North and South on that front as well. So he was thinking very globally.

He was not simply thinking in a localized perspective. And unfortunately, he died. I think it was, I want to say April. But anyway, he died into his second term just a few months in through an operation. Again, and I talk about this. There's been books written about this from British Canada. Canada, Confederate intelligence operations that were active in British Canada, sent down Wilkes Booth and a whole team, a whole network, some of whom were hung, some of whom escaped. So though Lincoln died and many of his enemies ended up taking power, as often the case around Andrew Johnson, his replacement, his vice president, who was a pro-Confederate, pro-slave asshole, who basically gave all of the powers back to the slaveocracy.

except, you know, they couldn't stop the abolition of slavery, but they basically gave all their political, their territorial, their possessions and other powers back to the slave power to regroup and redills, especially with the Albert Pike, who is the Scottish Rite Grandmaster, who founded at that very same time the KKK, the Knights of the Golden Circle, as a new paramilitary unit that grew and grew to try to undo the damage of the emancipation proclamation. But Seward, the Secretary of State of Lincoln, who survived his own assassination attempt

that very same night Lincoln was killed. He was stabbed like 20 times. But he went right back to work and he began to pick up where Lincoln left off and finished the negotiations to sell Alaska for like $7 million that was finally completed in 1867. $7.2 million in 1867, roughly two cents per acre. Crazy, eh?

I mean, he was a taxed for that. Yeah, man, understanding, history and learning about, you know, that's my fascination, you know, on this side, I had a degree in history, right? Like, I just love learning about these things. And then I'm always shocked at like, how little I actually know. I'm like, I'm a complete moron. But, you know, like, if I do the timeline then, like British Columbia becomes part of Canada in 1871. So that would have been a big push to make sure that they couldn't. I think it was Peter Schultz. Forgive me, folks. You've had Peter on, correct? He's amazing.

and you know what's funny oh man um hmm uh it does matter i'm thinking about something else i was like i should invite peter on this anyways um best light plans he back then they he was telling me when i had him on back then back then when i had him on earlier that they built the railway to cut off the u.s roughly i and maybe i'm butchering this a bit but when i look at the timelines of bc coming in that means BC could have been a part of the states too. And I assume there would have been a ton of conversations going on around that. Am I wrong on that? Yeah, there was a massive BC annexation movement.

And I read about that in, I think, the third chapter of the untold history of Canada, volume two. Yeah, the BC annexation movement was massive. And BC, you know, people don't often, we take granted when we look at a modern map and we're like, oh, that's the way the world always has. been. And it's like, no, all of the current contours and borders and boundaries of nations is part of a state of flux, right? They're very volatile. And if you just go back to that period of the 1860s, really before 1870 when Rupert's land was, or 1869, when Rupert's land was sort of nationalized, B.C. was a small little, well, it was a big colony, but it was a colony that was broken off separated by like 2,000 or more kilometers of privately owned Hudson Bayland, a.k. A.A. Rupert's land. And then you had the, you know, four separated colonies on the east coast, Nova Scotian, upper and lower Canada, Quebec and Ontario, or little parts of it that later grew. And there was like not a lot of an economy there. The entire reason why there was an economic growth period in the 1840s, 50s, in BC was because there was a gold rush. It was, but a lot of

it like this always goes. It became a speculative bubble, which did pop. It wiped out economies, these wiped out savings in those ghost towns. People were in a bad place. The only economic activity that they actually had was with San Francisco. That was the only economic communion that these subjects of the British Empire had any, any consort with. They had no hopes of having any communion with the East Coast colonies. The empire didn't really care about them so much.

And so there was a lot of desire at a certain point to survive and get the economy going again. And the only thing going was the prospect of Lincoln's robust, rail system and nation building strategies that were going on after the civil war had ended, which were transformative. I mean, this is the first time any nation in the world, any continent became connected from sea to sea. It had never been done. And that's how the British Empire was able to project their power for so long with a tiny island.

It's not easy. You got to do that by keeping every member of the game board as dependent on sea ports and exports and transport by by shipping of the seas which the British had a dominant monopoly of by and large and especially by controlling the choke points 12, 12 dominant naval or maritime choke points. They were able to control the entire world game. The whole game theory system was able to be managed by a very small coterie of British intelligence operatives far across the ocean. So with Lincoln, the idea was, okay, let's let's have a national credit system with greenbacks. Let's build up the internal capabilities of the nation. So we're not dependent on whoever

is monopolizing sea lanes. And let's do that with rail. And rail is so great like Peter has Peter Schultz has such a good understanding of this, that it's, it's qualitatively transformative. You build a rail through an uninhabited or lower, lower developed region. And within a short time, people who have, you create new industrial corridors, you create new cities, you create the, the means, the educational powers in undereducated people who now will be the engineers who will work in the factories, who will be the designers to make that railroad function and everything that goes with it. So it's so much bigger than just simply a, the shipping system is really just based upon, you know, extracting wealth, bringing it to a port, sending it out like to another country. It's not really, it doesn't have that transformative power. And so, you know, the annexation movement, it really grew and they filled out a petition to. petitions in 1867 and 1869 calling for the the British to basically sell British Columbia to the United States. Seward wanted it so badly, Secretary Seward, and he even had a fight. And so did Ulysses Grant, the man who became president in 1870. And both men were fighting with the case of Grant.

he was fighting to make sure that Britain would be exposed for providing military support for the Confederacy, which was illegal, considering that they had declared neutrality during the Civil War, but they had openly provided hundreds of warships to the Confederacy, and that was illegal. And Grant proved that it was illegal in the Hague, first international criminal court of this kind that found Britain guilty. And Britain was like, let's just give you some money. And let's just let bygones be bygones and try to build up our Anglo-American friendship again. Just forget the past.

And Seward, who would organize the sale of Alaska, he's like, no, we want Canada. What the whole freaking thing? Because they understood that this is a major liability. The British had been using it to undermine and undo the American Revolution since 1776. That was the geopolitical purpose of Canada. Grant was supportive of the idea of it, not getting all of Canada, he wanted British Columbia because he saw that that was like what would connect Alaska that the U.S. had just purchased. Ultimately, it was subverted and it was subverted through the figure the murder of a certain governor of British Columbia, who I was surprised to discover. He was a member of the British Civil Service, an Irish, an Irish governor named Frederick Seymour.

and he was governor from 1867 to 1870. And it was, he became, it became recognized by Johnny McDonald's, who was trying to, like, get British Columbia to join Confederation, right? Confederation was 1867, just a little bit after Alaska was sold. And Seymour was trying, he was trying so hard to buy time so that the annexation movement operatives, people who represented the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, majority of the merchants and even the popular opinion of British Columbia. He wants to buy them time so that they could like culminate this joining into the United States. And, uh, and at a certain point when Johnny McDonald realized what Frederick Seymour was, was doing, he, uh, he had, I think he had a murder. He basically sent him off

to like the Arctic to deal with some like two warring, Inuit tribes. And then he, within like a week, he died. And, and, and then, uh, he, uh, he, he died. And then, uh, Johnny McDonald got one of his assets, Cosmo de Madori, Amore, to replace Seymour, who then expedited British Columbia's joining of Confederation and canceled any hopes of BC joining the USA or being aligned to extend rail from the USA into Alaska. So, yeah, it was a crazy drama. It's, I don't know why I've never really thought about this. You know, when you, when you learn about, uh,

North America's a whole, I guess. You know, you got, you got the Spanish involved, you got the French, you got the UK or the Brits. And then, of course, you get the creation of the United States, and then that causes a whole kerfuffle and on and on it goes. I just, I don't know why I, I'm like, how did I miss this? Or maybe it just never gets talked about how Russia would have been on the top portion. And like when I, when I just quickly Googled it, it's like 17, 770. sorry not 1776 1784 roughly is when they land in alaska and you know how many years after till they actually have a you know a portion of it settled and everything else i'm sure you can rattle off some details but like you would have had russia well you had all the the major nations on north american content uh continent sorry which is kind of wild isn't it yeah yeah i mean it's You can just imagine the shenanigans that are going on as they're trying to solidify different things.

Yeah, I mean, there are these, yeah, I mean, like, there are these historic currents that, like, for me, I, the way I try to reconstruct my history, because I know that history is written by the winner, so I can't trust anything I'm being told about the narratives of why things happen from the mainstream history books. But then it's like, well, how do you try to reconstruct something more truthful, right? Well, one thing is that I picked up along the way was, was try whenever possible to go to source material to see who was making policy. What did they say or write? And then read that. And then you'll find that what experts say about the thing on Wikipedia or an encyclopedia or whatever is usually either stupid or an outright intent. intentional lie most of the time about the big things. So in this case, you know, you're right.

Like I, as well was shocked when I began to like look when my attention was was put to this question. I was like, why don't I, why isn't this, why isn't this like the first thing you learn in school? Like this seems like the reason why everything else happened. Canada. Yeah, Canada would have been a border of Russia. Yes.

Right? And I understand. we never really understand how close Russia is to us, right? We never just seem to piece that part together. But Canada would have bordered Russia. Exactly. Am I the only one that thinks that's wild? It is super, super important.

And even today, like many, many Americans don't even realize that the legal, like, the closest land, American land to Russian land is separated by like four miles. It's the big and the small deal-meida islands. So between the Bering Strait, which is about 100 kilometers, you got these two little islands. One island is Russian, one island is American. They're the big in the little deal-meida islands, and they're only like four miles apart. You can see Russia from America.

They're touching. And that was a point brought up by Vladimir Putin as well when he had met with Donald Trump a couple of weeks back was this yearning, this clear simpleness, this obviousness almost when you think about it, to connect these these like seeming rivals who saved each other in in so many important moments, right? Like the idea that American Russia are these natural rivals is a very new and artificial idea that just cropped up after World War II. Most of the time that America has been around, Russia was seen as its as its best friend and ally.

It was, you know, Zarina Catherine the Great, who was the architect of the League of Arm Neutrality. which was partially her, but also Benjamin Franklin, which, which, but it needed Russia to work that created an entire league that provided the weapons, the means, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the trade so that all of the, the, the American fighters of the colonies had the support that they needed in order to carry up this war against the biggest world empire, the British empire. And it was again, Russia that, that carried that entire weight during the league of arm neutrality. Without that, um, without that, um,

the American Revolution would not have succeeded at all. And it was, you know, at another time of crisis when Russia was in desperate need of economic development. They couldn't get it elsewhere, but it was America who came in, came in in the 1830s and 40s and helped Russia build the first rail line that Russia ever had between St. Petersburg and Moscow by George Washington Whistler, the brother of the painter, who was the dominant rail engineer, a friend of John Quincy Adams, who himself was the ambassador to Russia during the, the war of 1812.

And they had a really, really good alliance and a good understanding that they had a common enemy, that that enemy wasn't just England per se. It wasn't that. It was this oligarchy that was operating above nations that were using these noble, so-called self-professed families with, you know, fifth columns embedded within all of those countries. The U.S. and Russia alike both shared the exact same enemy within that was loyal to this old system of empire that goes back to the ancient days of the Roman Empire.

And they had at different times leaders that emerged that were able to organize, to fight and to fight off and to drain that swamp to varying degrees. Many of those leaders would tend to die, unfortunately. But they were willing to, for the sake of this higher morality, like Lincoln and and Zare Alexander II, both got murdered by operations that have been provably tied to British intelligence. Same thing for Lincoln's followers, James. Garfield, 1880, who got killed.

Same month that, that Zara Alexander II died. He also got killed by an anarchist. Yeah, go on. You know, when we started this, let's just let's just go back and forth to see where we get to. And where I thought we were going, we've gone complete opposite, which is never a surprise when Matt hops on. How importance was the significant, or do you see any significance?

and then, you know, like, because you had, you had Biden who wouldn't even talk to Putin, right? Wouldn't talk to him. And then you have Putin now on U.S. soil, albeit on the far northernmost point of all of the America, you know, like, what do you see out of that? Like, is there any significance in that for you? Oh, yeah, a lot, a lot of significance. And it's very hopeful. I mean, it's, it's, we, these are two, you know, dominant nuclear powers with, along with China, I mean, the type of nuclear armaments that both Russia and America have together could wipe out the world several times over, uh, or, you know, together cooperatively could end world hunger, could do so much good to end, end the system of empire and exploitation and poverty and, and, you know, all of those other bad things. They, this type of power block of, of truly sovereign nation states. acting for the benefit of humanity and in opposition to this imperial system that's been latched

on like a parasite since the days of Babylon, really. That's really good. Now, I mean, my hope, though, is that I have a little bit more faith currently in Lavrov and Putin and the intelligency of Russia as far as being honest brokers. I have less faith, though I am hopeful that a patriotic sense of self-awareness and courage exists in and around the Trump circle. I certainly hope so. For me, I always get a bit nervous when I look at transhumanists, especially transhumanists with a lot of influence over military engagement and military power projection, which unfortunately, there's no shortage of that with the whole

Peter Thiel, Oracle, you know, Stargate operatives that are seemingly very influential around the Trump administration, more than we even saw with Biden. So I'm hoping that the Patriot movement is, is solid and is able to join up with what Russia has has brought to the table as far as like a paradigm premised around large scale development, long-term thinking, and using the power of the nation state to really take down the this financier oligarchy. Russia's not been able to do it yet, but I think they're a much more solid grasp of that. But definitely, I mean, it's so important to start trying to defuse the bomb. The other bad thing would be the other negative scenario would be if There's many people like Keith Kellogg has said this.

There's been a number of leading members of the current American administration who have said that their ambition is to try to do everything possible to weaken the Russia-China alliance, which they see as being a strategic threat to the security interests of the rules-based order. So my fear would be that there's an effort to try to seduce Russia to, again, weaken its relationship. with Iran with China, which is sort of the bedrock of the bricks of the Eurasian Economic Union or the greater Eurasian partnership. And if that happened, that would be a dishonest way of going about it. That would possibly be more destructive to humanity in the long run. But I would be more favorable if we get some, you know, complementary harmonious thinking based upon the idea of getting a U.S., Russia, China, Iran.

alliance going based on finding points of common interest economically especially also in space you know space mining exploration things that are going to be like really big big in scope that breaks us free of this like can can i give scarcity yeah can i give you a surprise yeah this is this is this was not planned by me i swear but uh welcome in peter shaltz hey no way How's Peter doing? Can Peter hear us? Now Peter can you hear us. Peter, you cannot hear us.

He's looking at websites. He's got many tabs open, I can tell. Well, Peter, we can see you. But I guess I'll remove him from now. How did you get Peter on? Does he just last minute? So, no, he was supposed to be on this morning. Okay.

And then my day has been, uh, my day has been a crapshoot today. Peter, can you hear me? He's looking at his phone because I just text him. This is funny. This is,

uh, you can't hear. We can hear you, Peter. Anyways. Um, no, I'm like,

this is, I don't know if this is what a good podcast host does, but I was supposed to have him on. Then I had to cancel it. Then he in Burling game canceled. I'm like, what the heck is going on with today? My whole day is just,

shot. And I'm like, you know what? I'll just see if if he's around because I'm like, this was scheduled. He was scheduled, but I had to cancel that to move here. And I'm like, well, let's just throw a little spontaneity into this, shall we? But, uh, I really hope he, he locks in. I want to, I want to get some updates on his, uh,

Aurora rail or I, I guess the Athabasca rail now. I'm not sure what it's, what it's called. Hey, Peter. Peter, can you hear us? Peter cannot hear us. All right. Well, we'll leave him alone. We'll leave him alone. I, the whole thing. I just wonder if they're, you know, like, I assume Trump knows the history of Alaska being Russia. Like I didn't even put that together of like, would that be any reason to have it in Alaska? Or it's just a nice meeting point, kind of secure location up in the north.

Yeah, I mean, I, I hope he does. It would be, it would be ashamed to have the poetry and irony of that of that location lost on, on, on. But, but you didn't read a head. line that says, oh, you know, U.S. Russia meet where they've had friendly ties going back to the purchase. I didn't read a single thing like that. I didn't see a single thing on that. Did you, like, anywhere did you see that? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe my entire relationship is going, Sean, you're an idiot. Like, there's more sense. This is common knowledge. So there's more awareness of this in Russia than there is in the United States. So, hey, I'm, I'm muting them.

I'm just going to let him sit there until he figures it up. Okay. All right, that's the best thing to do, I guess. And I'm assuming, yeah, you still can't here. So in Russia, they have a much greater appreciation for these aspects of our history. And like in Moscow, in the center of Moscow, there is a statute to this very day featuring Abraham, Lincoln, and Tsar Alexander II, shaking hands. And the Russians see this every day in Moscow. This is like a really big thing. they have they have specials on on primetime TV talking about the the the the the russia

US relationship of the 19th century um it's it's it's a common occurrence it's it's just it's just very present there there are textbooks talk about that it's a point of pride um and i know this because i'm often asked to speak on russian tv and and russian events and and this is just something that's common sense and they're shocked that americans are not aware of this forget about Canadians. Um, so you know, it's, oh, no, you still hasn't figured out. Okay. No, that's, there's got to be a way. There's must be a simple, simple answer to this problem. It's just a, mm, he'll figure it out. Um, but even that, right? Like, even that I don't, like sticking on the, the Russians get this, you just understand how important media is

and getting a message out. Right. Like, I mean, um, you're, you're, You're saying there's a statue of Lincoln in Russia. I'll see if I can get it. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, there's a statue of Lincoln and Zarale Alexander II in Moscow. Here,

I'll try to find it here and just show it. Alexander. I mean, people could Google it too, statue. We're talking about Russia and the U.S. and their history. And a lot of it,

I had zero clue, including the fact that Russia owned Alaska and sold it to the, the states. I just didn't, I don't know. I guess I'm, I'm, uh, in a hole and I don't, I don't know things. I just, I don't see that ever talked about, you know, like the fact that Russia at one point is next door neighbor to Canada. I did, do we ever talk about that? Okay. And here, here's the statue. I'm going to pull it up on screen. There it is. So that's it. I mean, even though these two men never met in person, it, there is an, an appreciation for the common

strategy that both had had participated in. And this is featured, again, this is for, if you missed that, Peter, this is right there in Moscow. And it's been there for a number of years. And it's, it's just widely understood in Russia that this happened. This is a strategic moment when Russia saved America and brought in American engineers to build the trans-Siberian railway, you know, with rail cars made Baldwin locomotives made in Philadelphia that were cruising across the spire, the expanse of Russia in 1905. This is like something most Americans just have no clue. It always comes as a shock and Canadians obviously as well.

So yeah, we're just talking about that. Well, I learned a lot from you. I mean, I knew about the Alaska purchase, but why would Russia sell this giant piece of land? I mean, the standard history we get is, you know, the Russians were short on funds and they needed money because they lost the Crimean War. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, you know, so. But then it's like, why are they selling this whole thing for six million bucks? Yeah. I mean, the version of history that I was taught that I believed until eight weeks ago, and I'm still hovering on the side, is that those crazy uncivilized Americans just as its brutal civil war, they killed a million people over three, four years.

Then the next thing they do is they purchase Alaska. So what does Canada? What do the provinces do? They merge so that they can keep out those dastardly Americans from conquering from the northwest. And now Matt is shaking up everything I understood. So I don't have a lot of expertise to add here. Well, well, this whole start, this, this whole thing started by him just saying it that Alaska purchased, sorry, the U.S. purchased Alaska.

It was almost in a passing. I'm like, what? What are you talking about? I'm like, we've talked about the North a lot. I just didn't think that it'd ever come up in a chat. And if it did, it went in one ear and out the other because I didn't, I didn't pick up on it. You know, I was just a shock the first time I talked to you, Matt, about, you know, Russia coming in. to ensure that the civil war essentially wasn't taken over by the Brits.

I mean, is that... And the French. And the French. I mean, Maximilian was it the second or something? And who's an asset of Napoleon III had French troops stationed in Mexico ready to also give support openly to the Confederate South from that direction. And then you had British troops stationed in Canada waiting for orders to go and, you know, invade Lincoln, from the north. So you had all of this going on. It was, it was, yeah, boy, so the, the Russian entry into

this thing. And Alexander II gave an interview with Wharton Barker, a leading pro-industrial banker, who had his own newspaper and published this interview, where he basically, he said it out loud, like, I had orders to the entire, all of the commanders of the Russian Navy, who were sent to New York and San Francisco, that it would be war with Russia against any colonial power that came in supporting the Confederacy. And Lincoln understood that and was so grateful. They had parades in New York and San Francisco for the Russian sailors who got off and they were like the center of these celebrations.

And there's like photographs and etchings even today. So could we could we say the timing of this Putin and Trump getting together is maybe a signal on what's happening in the Ukraine and how like you're hearing here in Canada. We're talking, you know, we just had Carney over there. pledging another two billion. There's talks of putting maybe troops. And you see these things starting to align where the Brits, among others, are all talking about putting troops and ground.

And everything's amassing for Ukraine. And when you go back through history, what does Russia do in a time of need for the U.S.? They position in a way that say, if you enter, this is what's going to happen. Now, it's a completely different landscape here. But could we maybe, could I hypothesize that the meeting in Alaska between two of the most powerful nations on the planet is a signal to, I don't know, other NATO countries like, be careful what you're doing here. Like we're already in talks with them to try and de-escalate this and we don't want to, you know, the U.S. has made it, I think, pretty clear that they don't want to part of this.

Maybe you can see something different. I, that is one interpretation, but I don't, it could entirely be possible. The other thing is, remember last time I was on the, I was on the show, I talked about the China, Russia, Iran, Fortress Asia, and that the Americans were trying to whittle in at the cracks between those three big countries. Did you freeze? No, we can hear you just fine, Peter. Yeah, we can hear you. Hello? Yeah, yeah, we're there. Can you hear me?

Yes. Okay, sorry. So, wait, the Americans won. The Americans won. The Americans, the Americans, okay, we're on. Okay, yeah, sorry. So what nobody, what nobody's, what's never talked about in the Western media is Israel has been supplying arms to Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan is in two pieces, one on either side of Armenia. And the little piece that no one hears about is Necichivan, which is next to Turkey. Turkey, by the way, while it screams at Israel, and they're going to destroy Israel, is sending arms to Israel. So Turkey is selling arms to Israel. Israel is selling arms to Azerbaijan. Armenia is in the middle. Armenia is a very old Christian country. There's a little piece of Armenia that used to be just in a rural portion of Azerbaijan called Nagorno-Karabakh.

And it's been Armenian for 2,000-od years. It was included in the Azerbaijani Republic by Stalin for who knows what reason why it wasn't given to Armenia. Anyway, right before the Soviet Union collapsed, the Armenian and Azerbaijan got into war of this in Akronokarabakh. And Armenia basically absorbed it plus so that they had a land bridge. They called it Artsakh. And Artzak is declaring independence. Azerbaijan got all these Israelis weapons.

And about a year ago, they took in and they took over Artzak and they kicked out a quarter million Armenians. They're now moved to Armenia. And Azerbaijan is making statements about wanting to march all the way and conquer all of Armenia to include in a greater Azerbaijan. And who knows what they do, their Armenians, because the Turks already killed a million and a half Armenians. in World War I. So Armenia is only 40 kilometers wide and it's between two countries that are planning to kill them. So it was the French that the French that convinced the Armenians The French to convince the Armenians

Sorry, my phone saying I need that battery power to plug me in right now To go away from Russian protection status and for some reason the Armenians believe them and the next thing I did is that they have all these arts act refugees move in Two weeks ago, or three weeks ago, the Americans announced, we have a deal between Azerbaijan and Armenia, where the Americans will control the border between Armenia and Iran. Iran and Armenia were friends, and Armenia and Russian were friends. Armenia and Iran are still friends. But now the Americans control the border between Armenia and Iran. What does that mean?

They have cut off Russia to Iran. The whole idea of Fortress Asia has just been broken. And three days later, Putin says, okay, I'm meeting Putin Trump. Is there a relationship? I don't know. But it sure sounds suspicious because the Americans are putting tariffs up against India because India is not because they said Indians, you may no longer buy crude Russian oil, refine it, and then sell it to Europe but a massive profit because you're still getting money to Russia.

So now that Trump has tariffed India. And India is, you know, they've got a lot more sway than Armenia does because there's a billion and a half of them, but that's still going on. And so the Americans don't really care that they haven't succeeded in getting Vietnam to be a wedge between to be a wedge or the North Korea. They still, they now have access to the Caspian. So is that part of it? Because at the same time over in Ukraine, the Russians nearly surrounded Pekrosk, which is the primary Ukrainian fortress town that's been on the, the Donbass. And the Russians actually entered Pukrovsk. And right after the talks with Trump,

the Ukrainians had pushed them back out of Pukrovsk. So the Russians are covering half the city. So that was one of the rare circumstances where the Ukrainians pushed back against the Russians. So this is all going in the context of the Russians forming an alliance with the Americans or the Americans playing all sides. Yeah. I feel like there's a bit of disingenuity as well. where there's this face of of well-wishing good intention, you know, especially on the front of Russia, you know, the right language is being used. But at the same measure, there's not been much of an effort to cut off providing the weapons, supplies, the medium range missiles, the Patriot missiles and other things that the U.S. has been supplying both under Biden, but also under Trump to Ukraine. So that hasn't really stopped. And I know that the Trump team told Ukraine, you're not allowed to use these missiles,

medium or long range onto Russian targets. But what does that mean? How do you enforce those words when they're the ones who actually have those things? And then as you pointed out, the Zangazur corridor that is so so vital to link up, you know, the resource rich Caspian area to Europe through Azerbaijan and our Armenia into Turkey and then and then Europe. That's now under the control of that Vital Link is under the control of, of U.S. interests.

And does it mean that the north-south transportation corridor is sabotaged? No, it doesn't mean that, but it's a huge bargaining chip now that the U.S. can wheel to Russia to say, well, look, we can easily stop this thing that's been 20 years in the making to connect, you know, rail lines and transport corridors from the north of Russia down into Iran into India, which is like a huge, huge vital, like, node of development. We can, we, they could sabotage it more easily now than they could before, but might they, might they offer, you know, to, to not sabotage it if Russia does certain things. We know that there, there does seem to have been certain backchannel negotiations to allow

for the overthrow of Assad, which seems like top down orders were given from the highest levels of the Syrian forces or certain operatives within it. who told all Syrian soldiers to put down their weapons when you had a very small force coming in from Turkey from Idlib just a little while ago, which ended up completely overhauling and overthrowing the Syrian government and creating this ISIS-run nation, this pseudo-nation. Like that seems to have been decisions made far outside of the borders of Syria. Could that have been part of these backchannel negotiations between the Russian side and the American side? I don't know. I don't have enough information.

but it seems like possibly. Also, Iran's in a sensitive point, right? Like their leadership, they got a decapitation of much of their qualified leadership from last year when Reisi was killed in his helicopter with the defense minister or was the foreign minister, like just on the border of Azerbaijan. And that immediately brought in Peseshkin, who's born in Azerbaijan. There's like this weird connection there. I don't fully understand.

But then also like their top brass, their most complex. military leaders were all killed during the so-called 12-day war with Israel. So there's like, there's, there's, they're much more fragile in that sense than many people realize on multiple points, even though there's this, this special relationship that they have with China, with, with Russia. It's not as, as all it is, many, many people think. When we're talking to Armenia and we're talking this border, when you say the U.S. now control it, like, are we talking, they landed five troops? They, they, like, What did they like how are they controlling it?

There's a strip of land for Azerbaijan to build a highway in Armenia along the border with Iran, which is 10, 5 or 10 kilometers wide. The right of way is controlled by an American company for a 99-year lease, which means anything getting north-south automatically is going to have to enter the space controlled by this American company. I'm pretty sure this is part of the reason why the Russians have been making overtures to the Taliban because the Russians are, because the Russians are, going if we lose the armenia connection we need to get to the coast through afghanistan or kazakhmanistan and turkmanistan is is run by this crazy that spot nobody knows whether he's going to do left or right from one minute to the next so the russians are thinking the the afghanis are preferable to deal with than the turkmenis what i i kind of agree with uh luongo on his interpretation is is China Russia and United States are not they they don't want to

have world war but they're they're carving out the next world order on what their spheres of influence are going to be the Americans clearly want to have the Middle East in their back pocket and the Russians would like the same but the Russians are now on the defensive yeah I agree that's my interpretation no I do too I think that there's there's been a decision that's been made even though And you could show, Sean, if you want, just quickly, the screen that I have up there. Yeah, that one, that's the particular corridor in discussion right now in that small little slip of Armenia. That's what a U.S. Constorium, I think, has control over as at least for about a century, or it's like a hundred year control over this thing.

So, and if you look at the other maps, which I could show maybe later on, there's the North-South Transportation Corridor that had been begun in 2000. between India, Russia, and Iran, which accelerated in 2018. And it's a multimodal system. It doesn't just go through Azerbaijan. There's some ports as well in the Caspian and some to the east of the Caspian through Kyrgyzstan and Kurdistan. But all that to say, that's the most vital node. So if that could be disrupted, it makes it really hard to make the whole thing work.

You could stop it now. Forgive me, well, it's up. Okay, I see Azerbaijan and I see Armenia. what is the little yellow chunk where the red line is that you see Armenia come down and it splits it to? Is that all Azerbaijan? Yeah, you're looking at Nakhchivan. Nakhivan is the second piece of Azerbaijan. It's on the other side of Armenia.

It's a sandwich between Armenia and Iran. It's a leftover from the Soviet days when the Soviets were like, well, we're just making the boundaries based on ethnic majority areas. were not worried about future independence because they weren't foreseeing the Soviet Union collapsing the way it did. Right. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that there is the strategic thinking of the Eurasian leaders from 2013 onward. And I think the hope is still there, but it's really evaporating, was originally that the West could get our senses back together and recognize that it's not in our self-interest to go on the path of. of unipolarism and global dominance and hopefully restore the idea of sovereign nation states

cooperating on big projects that is historically what worked to make us good. Whenever we didn't suck, it was because we're using, like sovereign nation states, we're making decisions in the benefit of the people that would uplift both the private sector as well as the well-being of the whole. And I think that there's been, there were many offers made by the Russians, by the Chinese to work together from 2013 onward on all sorts of big infrastructure that could do these things. But I think with the the 2022 special military operation that was begun, and there's a lot of evidence that it was really difficult to avoid it.

It seemed like there was a mass casualty event being gained out and prepared in early 2022 February before Russia did their invasion of Ukraine. That would have blamed, that would have slaughtered a bunch of eastern Ukrainians who mostly Russian and then blamed it on Russia. That was what was being put out in the media, a lot of think tanks. So Russia preemptively got in there, stopped that mass casualty event from happening. It would have been a false flag. But then, you know, they made a lot of effort to try to create a peace negotiation in April of 2022.

They were making really good advances on getting a peaceful resolution where the Ukrainians would agree to neutrality, would agree that Crimea should just be part of Russia now. they had their vote, the referendum, and they will just be, they will not join NATO. And then the lead negotiator on the Ukrainian side came back. He thought he was going to get a victory party. He ended up getting killed. So that went to shit. And then a law was passed by Zelensky soon thereafter, saying it's going to be illegal to talk to Putin.

So that made negotiations even harder. But I think at that point, it became more clear that the new strategy was going to be good to bring in the Orwellian sort of, plan like the George Orwell, you know, carve up the world under an East Asia, Eurasia, Oceania type of iron curtain with two sides always at war for, you know, under a system of controlled chaos. That I think became something that became more pushed on. And that's what I think, I mean, unfortunately, China and Russia are being pushed into a corner to accept the idea of just adopt your sphere of influence and prepare to fight for, you

but a slightly longer, a longer game fight, but we'll call it multipolar, but we don't really believe it's multipolar. Ultimately, it's the word multipolar when it's being used by Rubio or a neocon. It's more just the convention of a word. It's just like, we'll agree to this approach for now while we chart out a longer term path to destroy you later on down the line. That's how I'm thinking it. I'm actually not as cynical as you.

I think MAGA and Russia are not as like it's clear the bank it's clear the the the British row and the Germans were out for full scale war with Russia and they're willing to take whatever price is necessary MAGA's not willing to pay whatever price it is they're willing to give Russian control over you know but it's going to be you know Kazakhstan is going to be your sort of influence you know maybe if get Uzbekistan if you're lucky right I think I think that's the difference in perspective and the Americans aren't willing to spend millions of lives or the mega americans aren't willing to spend mega americans though i agree with that no no so i much so Putin is is is going through that field i've got to go for i got another interview schedule that's

taken a month and a half to get to get organized but um i just leave this question with you was it a coincidence that um remember we had the truck in canada we had the trucker crash down or lockdown down and then the Senate stopped Trudeau from continuing the emergencies act. They forced Trudeau to lift the emergencies act and was like 90 minutes later that Putin began the war in Ukraine. I've always been like, boy, that was close. And was that a coincidence or was that a trigger? It's probably just a coincidence.

I thought the same thing too, man. It's a great question. It's been hovering over my head for a couple years. We'll discuss, Peter. I tell you what, in 900 plus episodes, I've never had quite what's just happened here. But thanks for popping in for 20-some minutes and then hopping back off.

Take care. Bye. See, man. Fun guy. What a wild day today on the show, folks. That normally doesn't happen. Normally, and then anyways. Okay, so just on his question.

he is drawing a link to the freedom convoy then freezing the bank accounts then Senate basically saying Trudeau you need to end this and shortly after Putin goes to war with Ukraine is that what I heard there that's what he was asked for yeah yeah

it's a set of anomalies statistically unlikely that they would occur so close together in a time frame and I have no answer for that but it's an interesting set of anomalies that's for sure what do you think Well, I'm, I guess my question, my question to you is, is how do they link? Like, what, I guess, I wish I had Peter here for a second because I'm like, yeah, I know.

You can't just plant that bomb and then walk away. Yeah, I don't walk away. Here, hold this for a bit. I'm going to walk out. It's like, well, yeah, there's a series events that happen there. But what is the, like, what are the things that pull it together to make sense? Yeah, I don't know enough. I mean, I could.

What I do. what I can't talk to is that the the Senate has been a bit of a thorn in the side in some ways a thorn in the side of those game masters from the privy council office who have been trying to sort of lord above Canadians and and our nation imposing policy from the top down because the thing with the Senate is it's unlike the House of Lords in England it's not a life thing. But it's almost life thing. It's like you're appointed by who's ever in power. And it's a 25 year gig. It's pretty, it's pretty solid gig. There's very little you can do to get fired. You can't, you're not up to vote. You don't have to keep your seat by saying something

popular. So these are people who despite being often, you know, politically charged towards one or the other side of the uniparty aisle, um, despite that are humans. And some, and they're humans who are politicians not afraid of. of saying things that are unpopular because they have no fear of not being voted back into their office. So sometimes they'll, you know, step out of line from what a, you know, from the master plan. I had some meetings, some very positive meetings back when I was working with the LaRouche organization for a few years, organizing a summit conferences in Ottawa from 2007 to 2015. and we'd have meetings with various members of parliament and give them a political briefing and, you know,

invite them to come to a political seminar. And I got to say that the best conversations I had and the most open conversations I had of enthusiastic politicians was in the Senate. I just watch, though, like here in Alberta, Charles Adler got appointed to the Canadian Senate, right? Yeah, yeah. And I watched that and I'm like,

like, well, he's a human. For sure, okay, check. But then like, you know, you go political motivations and they could say whatever they want. I'm like, well, yeah, but they get appointed by Trudeau and now Carney, I guess. And you go, do we have any thought that they're appointing neutral people that are going in the Senate for 25 years that don't go along with the plan. And I'm not saying Charles as an insider. I'm just saying it is pretty clear on his social media the way he thought.

Well, here, so here's the thing. What are the most, and I guess I could say this now, it's so many years later, but back in 2012, 13, 14, I was having regular meetings with a particular senator who was a Kretzien, Jean-Cretzien appointee. And most of them that, this is actually one thing I did notice in hindsight. is that most of the guys who are who really liked what we were saying and were open to bringing this these topics up in senate were krezzini appointee guys um his name was mac harb and he uh he really liked our conferences and he really liked our conversations and you know

super enthusiastic fellow very very supportive um anyway mac harb was a senator and uh he got annihilated he got he got destroyed at a certain point and i can't say exactly exactly exactly why was it because he was favorable to, you know, our messaging? I don't think it was just us. I'm not that egotistical, but he was definitely like walking his own walk. And he wanted Canada be a great nation-building country. Again, he didn't like the green agenda. He didn't like this, this degrowth thing. And he had a rational, pragmatic standpoint with a lot of connections to the business community, like a lot of connections to make things happen. And he got taken down with this very artificial scandal deployed against them by

like CBC hacks that did like this investigative report, how he used like, I don't, $20,000 of some taxpayer money towards like building an extension to his garage or something, you know? And he'd like lost everything. He was and it wasn't just him. It was a couple of other Duffy and somebody else to a woman. Well, you just said he was kind of against climate and kind of against. you know this depopulation thing and i'm like well right there you don't really need to say much more do you i guess not i i mean it's i don't know that but i never got people who are so open like in their ability to vocalize their opinions in the the the the parliament as i did in that environment that being said you're right i mean you're an appointee and you're probably going to be

you you know who to who to ask like and why uh if you're going to be in that position more more often than not That's for sure, too. Okay. We've pretty much hit the hour mark in this conversation. This has been on the level of bizarre, and I don't mean bizarre in a bad way, podcasts I've done. This is right up there. This is like we have been all over the place.

Yeah. I mean, I wanted to talk to you about a little bit about Carney. And I didn't know where to steer that. And then we went into Alaska and it's just let us all over the place to Armenia and everything. And I'm like, holy man, this is this is all over the place. Can I? Yeah. Can I play the trailer for the Mark Carney video?

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Share it, and I'll bring it up. Oh, okay. All right, let me go pull it up here. I have it on X, and it says the sound is going to work. So it's now sharing on X.

Do you see it? Let's see. Here we go. Maybe. Uh-oh. Why did it? That's my. People are driving.

right now listening this going what are these two yahoo's oh yeah we're just having fun here folks i don't know where you're at i don't know where you're at on a on a tuesday morning but happy tuesday to you you're in for a ride today with me and mad her like this is i mean we're all over the place but uh we'll we'll get the show on the road here uh at some point i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna pull it from the screen until you find it you just tell me when you got it i got it i got it oh now he's got it okay here's here's a clip here's a clip from the the new documentary the dystopic mission of Mark Carney, which people can now watch for free. Okay, here I'll just play it with sound.

At the highest echelons of the Bilderberg group, which orchestrated the Western systemic collapse, that citizens would likely rise up in opposition to the abuses of the Wall Street and London banking cartels. A distraction was needed. Thus, we shouldn't be surprised to discover that major controllers of the loudest anti-establishment movements today are directly affiliated with the same imperial controlling hands

that carefully manufactured this world crisis to begin with. Take the case of the UK-based Extinction Rebellion, which has attempted to call for not only the total abolishment of major banks, but of industrial civilization itself. Leaders of the Extinction Rebellion have called for the total decarbonization of life on Earth, extreme forms of green new deals, and ironically, depopulation. All outcomes conveniently desired by Mark Carney and his associated technocrats in London. Just in case you thought Extinction Rebellion was somehow untouched by the hand of social engineers,

Alex Evans, a leading figure behind the movement, was a former consultant on Prince Charles' International Sustainability Unit, and co-author of the U.S. National Intelligence Council Global Trends 2025, A Transformed World, which became an environmental foreign policy blueprint for the Obama administration in 2008. Currently, Evans also runs the Collective Psychology Project, where Psychology meets Politics. Other leading British intelligence figures managing the Extinction Rebellion Movement included Farhan Yaman, and Sam Gale of Chatham House, the controlling institution behind the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations. Chathenhouse is overseen by its president, Mark Carney. How much of a rebellion can it really be if the rebellion is set up by the establishment?

The oligarchs, running the Grand Green Design, since the Club of Rome's Sir Alexander King, began the limits to growth study in 1970, knew that green, low-energy-fewed, flux density sources of energy would inevitably constrict global population. And that is exactly what they wanted. Sir Alexander King said as much in 1991 when he wrote in the preface of the first global revolution. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.

The real enemy then is humanity itself. So you can watch that on YouTube, yes? Yep, you can indeed. As of yesterday morning, the whole thing is available with no paywall for free, 34 minutes, narrated by my friend Hugh Frudeau, and Jason Dahl is my film. making buddy who helped us put that together so manufacturer problem come in and solve said problem that's the ancient formula yeah yes so when you look at when i draw you back to carney what do you see man hmm i i just see the sort of embodiment of all of the problems of uh humanity embodied in one um figure uh i suppose he's he really is that it's it's it's it's it's

you couldn't make this guy up if you wanted to. And as far as like him just being a representative ideologically and also regarding the institutions that he oversaw of the power structures of the oligarchy, as far as those systems that it used and why it used those systems to apply influence over humanity over many centuries. As far as I just alluded to in that little clip,

he was up until the moment he became prime minister, the president of the of the royal institute for international affairs that you and I have unpacked in previous shows being the principal think tank of the roundtable movement, the Rhodes Scholarship Network that was set up under the Rhodes Trust, the Will and Manifesto of Cecil Rhodes, the genocidal diamond magnate that ran Rhodesia and who's you know who called for the creation of a new well-organized form of mercenary technocrat that would be educated in the halls of Oxford with a special scholarship that would be, you know, supported by his funds that he stole from Africa, basically, and then sent back to various parts of the worlds that would, you know,

that they could infiltrate whatever media, academia, politics, government, military to then advance the agenda of undoing nation states, accelerate some system of chaos from within target countries, generally looking a lot like what was done to the United States in the 1860s. That is civil war and economic calamity would just create a system of total ungovernorability. And thus, out of the ashes of chaos, a solution could then be imposed by those who were lighting the fires, creating the fires in the village. And then there was those same arsonists who were then ready and willing to then say, ah, ha, the solution is get rid of those pesky nation states. Get rid of the idea of participatory democracy and society. Get rid of those expectations of freedom.

And just accept the fact that we're animals who can only do destruction if given our freedom. and we always need stewards from above to impose order onto us and maybe we'll be given some social credit, you know, uh, uh, tokens or something to use to feed our families, which could always be taken away if we misbehave. So that's the sort of idea. And Carney was the head of that thing, the Chatham House that runs the, the council on foreign relations. He's known as the eco-warier of central banks as well. He took pride in that moniker. And as the architect of the Baylon regime, after being the, uh, a leading investment banker for Goldman Sachs, one of the top gambling speculative investment banks in the world. He helped blow up the derivative's bubble and grow it to abominable proportions. So he helped advance this bubble economy in the first place, turning our economy into a weapon of mass destruction, a bubble which will blow. And then he started working in the Canadian Civil Services, Deputy Governor of the Bank of Canada, then governor, where he simultaneously oversaw the creation of the bailout mechanism or the bail-in mechanisms to ensure that banks had the

authorization to confiscate savings, even pensions and mutual fund deposits and turn them into bank stock the next time you had a systemically important to a big to fail bank that collapsed. He is the architect of that going back to 2009. At the same time as he's pushing and creating the infrastructure for the climate disclosures project, the entire idea of a green new deal or a new economy centered on a new system of values that would not be based upon shareholder values because we see the destruction that unbounded shareholder value and profit obsession can lead you, which is what we've done for the past 50 years to ourselves. But now they say, okay, instead of that, we'll have it based upon actions

which reduce the carbon footprint, reduce the amount of human beings you could sustain. And we're going to financially incentivize activities like building windmills or doing things that will ultimately reduce the means of supporting life. Oh, but if, you know, and, and so that's what he's also been gaming. So this guy is just tied into this thing. Eyeballs deep on so many levels. And there's so much I'm even leaving out. But, but, but he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

says. You know, like, I sit there and I listen on that. And I'm like, but we'll wait and see, you know, isn't, isn't, isn't that, we'll, we'll, We'll wait and see what he does. You know, I see, uh, uh, my apologies to some of my conservative friends that Pierre's back in the lead in the polls if you didn't notice. And that's great for conservatives. I'm like, great. So three and a half years left of what Matt just said.

I'm like, so buckle up, folks. This is going to get rocky. Yeah, well, you know, there's a lot. And I know we're, we're rounding out the show. So I don't want to like open up a door that's going to. You open up a door. Oh, feel free to. Open up a door. I mean, this show has been off the rails since we began. Happy Tuesday again. So you might as well just, you might as to just open up a door and we'll see where it leads.

Just lean into that. Okay. All right. So, yeah, I mean, look, looking at current geopolitics from this historic standpoint, based on what we were talking about earlier from the 19th century stuff and the shenanigans that created the BNA act, what I can't say is that Carney, there's a certain formula. that Canada has been ruled by, which has been to be a nominally sovereign country on the surface, but with an absolute control or a near absolute control by an unelected class of operatives that are far removed physically from North America, right? And Johnny McDonald, who oversaw the, what I believe, honestly, I think I've got a pretty strong hypothesis was the murder. of Governor Seymour in 1869, and the absorption of the B of British Columbia into the

Confederacy, the Confederation, the British Confederation project that succeeded where the Southern one against Lincoln's Union failed, the Northern one did succeed. He said something when he announced his national plan, the national policy in 1875, which were 1870, which was that I would leave Canada barren wasteland forever, though I know that if we do not go there that has built rail to connect the east and the west coast, then the Yankees certainly will, which is unacceptable. Alexander Galtor, other father of confederations,

it's something very, very similar. So too to George Brown, another father of father of confederation. All of them had the same view that unless we allow for a limited degree of development, Canada as a geographically strategic zone would be pulled into this pro-development U.S. Russian alliance. That was inevitable. So there was a series of bribes, a series of murders.

You know, the Hudson Bayland was sold by an act of parliament to the government nationalized to allow for more an expedited rail line development. It was good that it happened in a certain, like I can't say it was bad that we built rail. It was good. but there was a higher good that was being sabotaged by the the intention to do it the way that they did it and i sense that carney's just done certain things right like bill c5 has been put into like has been passed that it's called the one canada act he's just announced this which basically gets rid of the trade barriers between provinces for those who don't know and that's been a

big problem for Canadian development for for generations that we've we've never had provinces permitted to have free trade amongst themselves, which has made it very difficult to have a singular harmonized policy that benefits all Canadians. Divide to Conquer. That's been part of what's held us back for a long time. So now that's gone. That's being removed. Okay, fine, that's being removed. That could be seen as a good thing. Carney also announced a half trillion dollar investment fund for upgrading all of our ports. He seems to be motioning as well for opening up for a certain amount of expanded development of of of natural gas LNG and oil development maybe raw materials as well which there's a lot of raw material rare earths especially but also

uranium and other things in Canada Peter Schultz goes through a great assessment of all of the incredible untapped potential that oligarchs are certainly looking at because they could see that Russia China they've rejected this depopulation agenda a lot of the country 80% of the countries of the world or population of the world are in countries that don't want to go with this mass global club of Rome killoff. So they're instead going for pro-development, pro-industrial activity, which which is different from what Alexander King, Pierre Liot Trudeau and others have in their heart of hearts and what Carney is committed to or Maurice Strong. They're committed to a very different religious idea of they religiously want to depopulate.

It's not just a practical thing for them. It's also a weird perverse spiritual thing that's smells like sulfur. So these, I think Carney, I'm getting a sense that he's doing a Johnny McDonald's or that he's been told to do a Johnny McDonald's. On the one hand, build up a military economy on the one hand to fill the gap that's being left by the lack of anti-Russian sentiment from the new U.S. administration. So, you know, Carney signed a deal with Australia to, I don't know what Australia has to do with this, but to help me. militarize even more the Arctic. Justin Trudeau began it,

long-range missiles being one part of that. Also AI data centers for a technocratic management of society. The AI data centers in Alberta are a big deal. They need a lot of water as well for coolant and other things. They're very hot. So that's one thing that's being set up is an idea of allowing for a certain type of development that uses. all of the resources of Canada, hence the C5 Act, he might allow for development, but they're

trying to do it in a way that reduces the chances that that type of pro-industrial development will benefit the civilian economy. So they somehow want to try to get the civilian economy that people live in to still be submerged under a mostly technocratic depopulation agenda, while at the same time investing in nuclear energy for AI mass surveillance or for a military buildup that won't really benefit or spin off to the civilian sector or for exporting resources like LNG and other things to Germany and to the European countries that are not getting it from Russia anymore. So there's that type of weird balancing act that Carney seems to be

trying to get the, you know, Canada into. I don't know how that's going to work. work out. It doesn't seem possible in some ways, but they think on a very fucked up level. And they're similar thinking in Europe as well around Mario Draghi, who's a grand strategist, a former Goldman Sachs investment banker who worked very closely with Carney at the Bank of International Settlements, who's also put a similar strategy for Europe as well to allow for industrial development, but only for the military sector, not for the civilians. For the civilians, it's still the eco-economy, the depopulation economy. So that's going to be.

on. Yeah. It's a balancing act. I don't even know what to say to that. This seems to happen every time you come on. Sorry, man. What Peter was saying, I also, I believe that the MAGA groups are,

like, the MAGA movement is anti-war for sure. It's pro-industrial, pro-development. It's the only thing morally viable in North America that I see are the, the MAGA-oriented conservatives who actually are not neocons, but real, just normal Americans that want a job that want to avoid war, that want to just take care of our own business, that's good. We got a sentiment of that in Canada, but it's mostly in Alberta. There's something to work with there, and I think that I want to believe that Trump is

principally motivated to accommodate that movement that he leads and not the, when I mentioned Mark Rubio or Pete Hegeseth with his Templar Crusader Cross and his book calling for a jihad against or a crusade against, you know, the Islamic world in China. I want to believe that they're not the, the, the shapers of American foreign policy. I want to believe it's not the, the Peter Thiel, transhumanist groupings around Oracle and Stargate that are shaping things. I want to think that they're maybe going with the flow, but there's something more honest and good.

And I really, I'm hoping for that, but I'm also prepared for the worst. This is what's so hard about all this, right? is trying to disseminate like what's actually going on right i i look at carney yeah and everything you've just said before he was getting elected i'm like oh man this can't be like this can't be what can is going to choose and you know i have my thoughts on how he came to be you know the prime minister and everything but here he is and he sits there and you go oh well he's in he's dropped the provincial trade, well, that is a good thing, right? Like, that's a good thing. It's a good thing. So you see a couple good things and you know, maybe he is so bad. But then I go,

did we not just listen to everything you just rattled off? I'm like, this is a guy that is tied into. Like, could he be the sheep in wolf's clothing? He impersonated the wolf to get in the group, to get into power, to do all the right things. Is there the possibility that that's? He impersonated to work. He, he, he impersonated to to do all the right things is there the possibility that's that's that's the case no no no there's no no wolf is a wolf it just it's gonna it's got a wolf right um wolf is a wolf and it's gonna wolf yeah um well and that's what makes evil so a freaking frustrating right because it it masquerades with a cloak of goodness so much and um and a lot of those things on a mechanic mechanistic level that that Carney seems to be setting the stage for I also support as far as

building one Canada using a Canadian infrastructure investment bank that he helped co-create in 2017 as a concept it's a great idea you know have a special infrastructure investment bank to that that citizens can can take out bonds in that can kind of can work like a real national bank like a like a Lincoln greenback system or like a Hamiltonian bank or or what the Reconstruction Finance Corporation did back in World War II or the victory bonds, you know, that helped us defeat Nazism and build up our industrial power in the 40s. Cool. I mean, as a concept, to do that in peacetime as well would be fantastic so that we could really

like declare war on poverty and war on unemployment by, you know, building up high-speed rail networks and hydroelectric dams and nuclear power centers and things like that would be wonderful, wonderfully awesome. But intention is everything. And that's, I think, the biggest thing when looking at, that's the way I try to look at history is from the standpoint that conspiracies are real. They're not only real, but they're causal intent. And that makes, this is where people have been brainwashed to say things like, I don't believe in conspiracy theories or that's not an academically acceptable way to speak or to write a paper. And you'll never get peer reviewed or keep your job if you believe in allow for conspiracy theories.

It's like, well, but everything happens by intentions and ideas put into motion by individuals who make free willed choices to be a part of or to not be a part of a process that they were born into and that they could choose to understand and act accordingly or not. And, you know, it's conspiracies for good or for bad that shape our lives and shaped all of history, right? Like that was what the whole sale of Alaska was. There was a broader conspiracy by really good, noble souls who are willing to die for their moral principles. but they had a very strategic and practicable, it wasn't utopian, idea of flanking systems of empire through mutual collaboration on great projects that were multi-generational and would benefit our great grandkids. And they had a vision like Lincoln said, and he laid out the vision in his state of the

Union address a few months before he died. And, you know, it could have gone better. It could have worked out. But, you know, you had artificial sabotage, his murder being one of those things. We saw the same thing with JFK, three weeks before he dies. He goes to the United Nations and people can watch this speech at the UN in 1963. When JFK calls for a joint U.S. Russian space program to get over the Cold War and the mutually assured destruction logic of game theory and accept a higher law based upon

mutual collaboration and mutual creative discoveries of God's creation together with the focus of the moon being one objective, but beyond that. And the idea of sharing resources, sharing science and technology and sharing discoveries together would help over time build the trust that was being lost through the Cold War type of propaganda on both sides. So three weeks later, he's dead. But it's like he wasn't just going at it renegade by himself, neither was Lincoln. There was a network on both sides who had a similar sort of understanding or faith that

human beings were made for something better. And we had to act and strategize and conspire accordingly. That's what the American Revolution was all about. It didn't happen by just a bunch of farmers who didn't want to pay taxes. That's not what motivates people to do and to take the risks that they did or to be successful against the world's biggest empire when you're a tiny farming community. They needed the support of like, like-minded thinkers in Russia, Muslim revolutionaries in India and like Haider Ali,

who was writing letters to the Continental Congress in 1780, saying your fight against empires our fight and recognized. and the question was humanity's liberation from systems of empire. The system. What you're pointing to is a network of evil or dark or whatever you want to call it versus a network that has a higher good. Can I say it that way? Sure. Natural law versus defiance of natural laws how I think about it.

Sure. Yeah. Because I had been Trudeau on just recently, a few episodes ago. And we got talking about he written a paper. And in that paper talks about Pierre Elliott Trudeau and having, and I've been butchering this and I push people to go actually read Ben's paper. But regardless, what it talks about is the rise of Pierre Elliott Trudeau. And me and you have chatted about this.

And I don't know if I just, you know, reading something versus hearing something, Matt. It's almost two different things. I mean, it conveys the same message. but seeing something written out, it just sat with me differently. And that was like, Pierre Elliott Trudeau had a magazine for 15 years, and in that magazine,

he found all the disruptors of Quebec society and further off. And then he goes on to be prime minister. One of his guys working at that this magazine became the head of the FLQ movement, which is like, you know, they were, I don't know, what's the word you want to call them? Terrorists maybe? I don't know.

Just the like, yeah. Right? So, and you, and you go, holy crap. So when you take something like that and use it for purposes of like transforming a nation into your own eyes, you have all these people that are just as into that as you. And he gets pushed up the ladder becomes prime minister. The FLQ thing happens. He starts to know, well, Castro and all these leaders from around the world who are doing the same thing roughly.

And I'm like, that is, that's wild. That's his network, right? And we're talking about Carney and his network and why, no matter what it looks like on the surface, just look at the network and go, they don't want what I want. Like there's just, there's just no possible way. Can you share the screen? Yeah, you bet you. Yeah, here it comes. Yeah, that's what Ben Chrudeau was talking about.

I got to interview him. He's such a good guy. And he's got like firsthand knowledge of this stuff too. But that's the Cite Libre magazine he was talking about that Trudeau set up in 1950 when he was still working for the Privy Council. And he had just gotten back from the London School of Economics where he was inducted into the Fabian society. And he was an act of Fabian.

He had five, there were five road scholars. operating through the Privy Council that he was interfacing with. One of them was Escott Reed, who later on became the godfather of NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. But Cite Libre, it recruited all of these misanthropic, nihilistic, mostly Quebec authors to basically devote themselves to the cause of overthrowing Christianity in Quebec. And right there you got like all of the key figures that came into power with him with the liberal takeover after Diefenbaker was ousted. this whole hive moved from the the Fabian Society political party, which was the NDP,

that was officially the Fabian Society Party of Canada, but it wasn't going to get political power. The liberals were the, that was the party that had the access to real power. So the decision was made while Diefenbaker was in power as the conservative, the progressive conservative, to do a full coup d'et to cleaning house of the C.D. Howe liberals, and this grouping was inserted into power positions from 1963, especially. And you got like, you know, Trudeau, René Leveque was writing for it. His so-called enemy was actually a regular author for the Cite Libre, the guy who ran the separatist movement and gave an excuse to have martial law in Quebec. They were friends.

Jean Marchant, La Langein was the guy who was in charge of the RCMP Special Unit that oversaw the Operation Gladiot, operations in in Canada in 1970. Pitfield, Michael Pitfield, is purely Trudeau's shadow. And he later on set up CIS when the RCMP was caught red-headed one too many times sponsoring and providing or a controlling hand behind the FLQ that had been, you know, putting letter bombs into people's mailboxes and stuff. He was, the RCMP, or this special branch within the RCNP was caught red-headed so many times and there were exposés in mainstream Quebec media

that it looked so bad that this guy was assigned to create a civilian agency to take over the functions of what the RCMP had been doing. And that became CIS in 1983, the same year that the National Endowment for Democracy was created under Reagan to basically do what the CIA had been caught doing, overthrowing governments using the cover of democracy movements,

but without the reality of it. And then they created the National Endowment for Democracy in 83 to do the same thing. And his son is still a handler of, was a handler of Justin Trudeau, a lifelong friend and is still a big, a big player in things. So this network is much better than the good guys. So there is good and evil. It's not Manichaean, but there is good and evil throughout history.

And that's why the way I see it is like those who are good recognize the human thing. They recognize that there's, that morality is not just something we feel that's subjective. but it is something which is universally, it's a universal principle that we all are born with. And we could choose to have our conscience that thing shape the development of our thinking as we become mature adults or not. Or we can choose to do the easier thing and eat the candy and not the broccoli and just give into junk food for the soul and the mind. And allow our identities to be shaped by something lesser, either more slave. or more, you know, abusive in that sense and align ourselves with like-minded thinkers and institutions. Now, the bad guys are much better at creating multi-generational institutions. They're

much better at conspiring. They're much better at wielding top-down power than the good guys. The good guys are not as good at doing these things. And that's an unfortunate, you know, part of our our experience as humans is that it's frustrating to read this history. see all these beautiful ideas and conspire conspiracies within a very short time after a little successes peter out by they're very organized yeah and and then you know just a few generations later the the sons the grandsons of many of those wonderful leaders who are willing to die become kind of shitheads so often not always but way too often so yeah it's just interesting to me because like I see, you know, like,

I just see on this, you know, on this show, I just run into, you run into all sorts of different people. I just find lots of, I think, decent people that are trying to do the best they can in the areas where they navigate, right? And when I watch and listen to more about Pierre Elliott Trudeau, I just see the rise of his network. And I wonder if we aren't,

in a position where we're seeing the rise of a different network. And far be it for me to say good or bad, just that there was a time where they weren't the powers to be, right? Pierre Elliott-Truy was, you know, running a paper, and I'm sure there's more to it than that. But, you know, you see this rise of him to the culmination of him being prime minister and running the United States, Canada through the ringer and on and on. And instead of there, maybe there was a bit of a rise of.

a different network. But I just, the two network thing makes a lot of sense to me. Like, I just, I just see that playing out right now that there's a rise of a different network that's competing against that one with different ideas, different thoughts, different ways of looking at the world. And certainly here in Canada, if you come from the school of thought of the liberal side, you have mainstream media in your hand. Like, that is what is pushing your ideas and your thoughts and attacking things. And there's a lot of stuff that gets. misconstrued or or you know they talk about misinformation you know on the other side meanwhile they're spewing an insane amount of misinformation and not doing great journalism but you're seeing

this rise of a different thing right now and I'm just kind of you know that two network thing is interesting to me yeah no it's this tension and Martin Luther King um has many sermons where he talks about, you know, it's not an overly intellectualized manner, but, but it's a very truthful, I think profound way of speaking. It's very hard to hear these days of the tension that shapes human history, shaped by good and evil, and that it's easy sometimes to get demoralized by the amount of injustice that, that has perverted so much of our history as a species, but to recognize that there is this higher, that there, that even though injustice does exist and often overly thrives, that there's a higher power of justice that all of history kind of is ultimately

bent towards in the long run. And we have to have faith that we're made for something. We're designed for something much more noble and dignified as a species at the end of the day, even though in our particular lives, we may not see that outcome in its manifestation fully. But that, that I think idea is very important to keep us from becoming misanthropic and to also give us access to a bigger spectrum of our creative powers that we would not have access to if we took on a more cynical hypothesis or a more misanthropic view of what we are. And I think people who are too anti-human or who think that humans are just like pollution or we're just naturally destructive by our nature unless we're reined in by some higher power. They have less less access to

their God-given creative powers of reason by virtue of that sickness. that they take into themselves. And it's being put. This is what pisses me off too, right? A lot of young kids, if you look at the schools and what they're feeding young kids before their critical thinking

is developed about, you know, human beings are a global warming machine causing the destruction of nature and they're getting kids to have like trauma bonding. Early on in like grade two, grade three, imagine that you're the tree. How do you feel now that a chainsaw is coming at you? Can you feel the pain of the tree?

Can you cry with the tree? And I've seen like videos of these kids going through like traumatic experiences which i don't know how you're going to recover from that as you grow up you know and uh and your your mind is always going to be wired all of the thinking the choices that you make are going to be wired by that type of this is what humans do we kill guya right like these are these are like little fascist overlords of the future if we don't like do something now while there's still time to turn this ship around like these kids they don't have a lot of hope in that sense if there's not some big qualitative changes for the for the for the good well and that's

just once again the two networks working against one another right i like i like i i like that thought either way appreciate you coming on today and enjoying the ride that today has been folks um man as always appreciate it having you on we're going to try and get you and e m berlin game on together at some point um but obviously when it works you know so uh appreciate you coming on and look forward to the next time. Absolutely, me too. Take care.