Shaun Newman Podcast - #906 - Peter Scholz

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

Peter Scholz is from Calgary, Alberta, a freelance consultant who has made significant contributions to urban planning, policy development, and community engagement throughout his career. He wrote accepted policies for the UCP that include killing e-tabulators, connecting Alberta to more ports and anti-WEF policies. We discuss Alberta independence, 5th generation warfare and uniting the Canadian spirit. To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] Money SummitWebsite: ExpatMoneySummit.com

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All right. Let's get on to that. Tale of the tape. Today's guest is a freelance consultant who wrote accepted policies for the UCP that included killing e-tabulators, connecting Alberta to more ports and anti-Weft policies. I'm talking about Peter Schultz. So buckle up. Here we go.

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Peter Schultz. Sir, good to have you on. I know everybody who. who listened to Matt Erritt yesterday was like, well, Peter came in and then Peter disappeared. Peter left this question that me and Matt couldn't answer, which was freedom and convoy, sorry, and Russia all at the same time. Before we go anywhere, I'm like, do you have an answer for that question? Have you pondered that or were you just like throwing a grenade in the conversation

and laughing as you went? I didn't throw a grenade in the conversation. You threw a grenade in my day. You just texted me and said, do you want to hop on? And that's you're talking about Russia. So I spilled my brain and what I knew about the latest on Russia. And then I had to go to my next meeting. Well, I felt bad because we were supposed to do this before that. And then it fell through. And I'm like, oh, your name had come up. I'm like, well, I'll just text them.

Just see if you're sitting around because you were supposed to be on anyways. Regardless, that's a conversation for a different thing today. It's better. It's better that I'm coming in after a Ben Trudeau, a lot better. And it gave me a bit more time to get a little bit farther into Matt Erritt's book, which. drives me crazy because it fills in all the blanks where I refer at history and I go like, well, what about this and how did that happen? Because you read history and say, oh, the United States bought Alaska. Well, surely it wasn't that easy. It's not like, you know,

going down the street and buying your neighbor's cottage, right? Correct. And he fills in those blanks and I'm going like, is this true? Because of it does, I have to revise a whole bunch of things in my brain. A plug for Matt Earhart's book. What book are you reading of Matt's? He has two different series. Which one are you on? The Unfinished Symphony Clash of the Two Americas, Volume 1, folks. So if you're interested in Matters' work, there you go. It's funny because Mattert talked about you before you came in,

and now we're talking about it either way. He was just on if you have no idea what we're talking about. Go to episode, I think it's 905, whichever is the day before this. It came out on Tuesday. Either way, you're talking about Ben Judo. he was talking about, you know, Alberta independence and that a referendum is basically going to, is a bad idea. He had other thoughts on how Alberta should maybe proceed that models what Quebec has done.

I think we have a lot to learn from Quebec, but we can up the game a lot and we can certainly get rid of the predatory element of it. You know, the inspiration for this meeting that I requested was actually when I visited, to you in studio and I'm driving around Lloyd Minster and I'm going like there's a provincial line right through the middle of this town the day after independence I'm sure there's people we're living on one side and working on the other how do they go to work you know they won't have a passport yet how's that going to work and you know for what the audience needs to know I'm a

double geography geek I spent years of my childhood doing doing two sets of map one was political political cartography the other was transportation cardography. I'm a little bit out of my comfort zone here because the last four years I've been talking about transportation geography, which is an equal passion, but political geography is there as well when I was studying about the changes of borders and independence moving through the past two, three thousand years of history, what's worked, what's not, breaking things up, putting federations together, how you structure them. And I have a message that I want to share and I'm going to, a lot of people are going to agree with me. And that's fine. I'm going to do my best explain it clearly. My thesis is that the

Alberta independence movement does not have winning conditions and a failed independence referendum will have significant repercussions. However, the process to repair for winning conditions and the process for Alberta is a systematically fixed confederation are for the next few years on the same track. So we can work towards independence and work at the same time work to fix this country. So gives ourselves in a few years the option to actually win. But in the process, we might not need to win because we fixed what's wrong with the country. This is pying the sky thinking, but I think we need to have this discussion. Said a different way. Alberta's independence movement lacks the conditions to succeed right now, and a failed referendum would bring harsh consequences.

Think a national energy program, lawfare times 10, heavier taxes, and a propaganda blitz and like we've ever seen before. And I think we can go from there. That's our review. Yeah, well, I don't know if it's going to, maybe it's going to offend some people or maybe some people aren't going to like it. But one of the things I was saying to one of the listeners

after Ben Trudeau's interview, you know, because he's not saying, oh, push as hard as you can for a referendum, let's get out tomorrow, which has been some of the messaging of guests on this show. but on this, I'm like to not discuss everything doesn't make sense to me. We might as well have a full discussion and create as many good options as we can because if you have good options, you make good choices. And so this discussion has to go everywhere.

It has to give the full spectrum of what independence would look like, good or bad and other options. I think everybody listening wants to hear not controversial, takes, but different takes that wrestle with some of the things. Because when you talk about Lloyd, you don't know how many people in Alberta, probably don't know how many conversations I have with what you just said. What happens, you know, tomorrow when we're governed like Saskatchewan Health Authority, for one, governs, we're governed by Saskatchez Health Authority. So if we leave, do we build a second hospital? Because the hospital right now is on the Saskatchewan side. And we're

governed entirely by Saskatchewan. Is that an easy, just flick the switch and, Alberta repatriates or whatever the term is, draws the border around Olive Lloyd? Does it take Olive Lloyd? Does it leave Olive Lloyd? I don't know. But these are some of the conversations. I don't have the answers to this. Like, I have no idea.

I'm like, I have no idea. So you taking a drive-through and seeing those things, yes, you're speaking directly to a lot of people from Lloyd who are concerned about that and don't have an answer. And I don't know if anyone has the answer. So fill me in on your train of thought, you know, when it comes to this idea of pushing for a referendum and Alberta getting out of what people deem a broken system. Absolutely. I'm going to back up two steps and I'm going to ask, I want to generalize the conversation a little bit. First is letting go fear. One thing I've learned, having been now on a few podcasts with you, is a slow process of letting go fear. I spent most of my career in the

bureaucracy and in the bureaucracy, your promotion, your job security is dependent on an extremely incredibly narrow line of behavior and speech. You get one glance out of line. You say one thing that doesn't fit the woke protocols. They will character assassinate you and push either shelve you or push you out. I was fired 10 days after the birth of my fifth child, three years after COVID because I didn't get the shot after six months of character assassination by a municipal government. That's what we're up again. So you learn to behave in a very narrow form of weight, and we're all under the control,

private or public sector. We all report to CRA. CRA is seeing all of our receipts every year. They know exactly what we're doing all the time. Everything we do on the phone is track. We have a self-censorship thing going on. And I found it, you know, I was like after my, after a podcast with you, I was like, is my life now going over?

Are my connections going to release me or ghost me, which is the normal way it's done? And then it happened. Actually, just open discussion. So I think for those, especially who work in the bureaucracy, that release of fear is very, very important because the fear is part of the control mechanism. The fear is deliberate. Human microbehaviors make a very big difference in how we interact with one another. Some behaviors are like almost genetic. like they're cross-cultural some microbehaviors are cultural based and part of the methods of

control in fifth generation warfare is to adjust slightly the behaviors that are considered standard or acceptable uh through media or throughout the methods so it makes some microbehaviors become non-acceptable which eliminates certain resistance i've been realizing these things about the level of controls we deal with um So with that, if I may say that's, that's, that's cool for a guest to say. I didn't realize that's what the podcast did for you. I'm, I, I guess I released that. I was just saying before I got on here, you know, if you go back to like 2021, Peter,

when I had on, it was a series of McCullough, Dr. Governor, who's a, a doctor here in Lloyd, followed by Peter McCullough. I released a ton of fear in about, uh, a six months. period. There was a ton of backlash. There was a ton of societal eruption against me doing it and for me doing it. And so now, you know, I talk about things and I don't even think about it anymore. I'm just like, uh, people are going to hate me no matter what I say or do or who I have on. And people are going to love me the same way. And I guess that fear of one

conversation absolutely destroying who I am or I don't know, in a, in a utopian sense this grand like all of a sudden i'm sitting beside joe rogan one conversation i'm like those two things don't go together yeah and so you can't put too much weight on either one and so i appreciate you bringing that up because i i never i don't really think about it anymore uh i do see it when people come in the studio the nerves of being in front of a mic and having to like talk about things and i'm like you've got nothing to worry about like people over the course of an hour and a half, start to understand who you are and how gauged or how respectful you are or not, right? So a podcast is wonderful that way. I guess the fear of it, I just don't even think about it

anymore. Yeah. And with this, I'm encouraging the audience, become aware of where you are afraid and then face that fear directly. But I want to keep us moving forward. Sean, what is conflict to you? What does where conflict mean? A disagreement. Okay. I mean, it can come in, conflict can come in many forms, right? There's physical,

but then there's also just like emotional or verbal, and both of them are very, for different reasons, are uncomfortable. You go lay on the mat, shout out to Kevin Damon, who's probably listening to this. He came to Hillman and his black belt and jujitsu. Getting that close to another man

and having him try and choke you out is a very uncomfortable. way, but also being in a disagreement over, you know, the Barry Kirkham was just on talking about First Nations. That's an uncomfortable conversation, even for me. I'm just like, this is an uncomfortable topic. So conflict, probably, that's, I don't know if I answered your question. It does. I think it's a, it's a good question to have. It's, you have to think about conflict in terms of what defines your enemy versus what defines you're having conflict with a non-enemy versus an enemy. So how do you differentiate an enemy from a friend? When you talked about the chokehold thing,

I thought about my last class in judo about 20 years ago. I was wrestling with his in a guy who weighed about 300 pounds. He got me pinned underneath him and his belly button was like over my face. And it was dripping sweat out of the belly button into my mouth. And I never went to judo after that. It was a life changing experience. I'll never forget that salty taste. but if nobody if nobody's ever done like hand-to-hand combat

training they're like I never want to do that but that's just part of you know it's not like you wrestle somebody and your body doesn't start to perspire it does

you know and so especially with a 300 pound of you that was in Calaway so when we talk about conflict. Let's define what is an enemy. You're having a conflict with your wife. Is your wife your enemy? No. Hopefully most of the time. If you're having conflict with your boss, is your boss your enemy? No, hopefully most of the time. When is your conflict with an, how do you define an enemy?

That's what I'm getting at. How do you define an enemy, Peter? Someone that means you ill. Someone if you lose, there are serious negative repercussions that are going to happen upon you that may be mental, emotional, physical, or financial. So when you're preparing for a real conflict, for a conflict with an enemy, you need to know two things. You need to know who is your enemy. You need to know who is not your enemy, and you need to know who you are. So let's look at Canada and let's define our enemy. And when I say enemy, someone who means us ill.

in a real sense, because we're already, we're talking about independence. We wouldn't be talking about separating from what was once upon a time the greatest, one of the greatest countries in the world if there wasn't an enemy out there. So let's define the enemy. Who do you think the enemy is? Well, I'm going to say Ottawa, but by Ottawa, I don't mean all the people in Ottawa. I mean parts of the government. I agree with you, but I think it goes a bit bigger than that.

That's along the same line. It was like, is the fishermen in Newfoundland are enemy? No. Is that Quebec film crew that makes those crazy grizzan and the lemmings cartoons? Are they our enemy? No, even though they're in Quebec. Is Ottawa our enemy? Definitely some parts.

Are there some parts in Montreal that are enemy? You know, Quebec one mafia. Yeah, yeah, there's our enemy. So let's narrow it down. Okay. And I would say, I want to use the word of Larnshin elite as our enemy. Okay. Now, yeah, that's a question.

who controls the Laurentian elite. And as soon as you ask that question, you're immediately going into one, you know, Tom Longo saying it's the Bank of England, Alex Kramer saying it's a Bank of England, somebody else is saying, on and on. Whatever.

I'm not going to go there. But even if you did, how do you control, how do you fight that enemy, right? The next thing is, is how do you get into the realm where you can actually get in the ring with an enemy, getting in the ring with the Bank of England?

Or I don't think I can, right? like so they've been added for six seven hundred years they'd you know so yeah you're so you have that's where you know all this talk about Azerbaijan and in Armenia and what's going on with India comes into play because right now we're playing tic-tecto honestly as a province we need to be playing three-dimensional chess that's the game we have to up the game we're in a geopolitical milieu we are a plum we are a plum we You're one of the plums of the earth that is being jockeed around as a knight or a rook on a 3D dimensional board. If you think that that rook or knight on a three-dimensional board can suddenly say, oh, I'm going to start my own game without repercussions.

I got news for you. The repercussions will be severe. The player will make sure. And right now, for your attention purposes, we're dealing with the large and elite. But we have to keep in mind what's going on in the world geopolitically based on the information we can know. knowing that most of what goes on, we're not behind the closed doors in the Bank of Canada or the Bank of England or the government of England or the European Union. We're not there. We don't know. But we have to play based on our best information. We're up against fifth generation warfare.

I've already mentioned NEP on steroids, propaganda, Trudeau appointed judges, financial restrictions, debanking. I get my eyes rolled a little bit when I I looked at the APP website. I mean, I've got all respect for them. I don't doubt their passion, but they have we have to up the game. It's like, well, there's a law that every country has access to the sea. Look at Switzerland, well, Switzerland has access to the sea. Look at the trucker's convoy. How long did the rule of law last?

I know from first-end information, which a source I can, can't share so I can't convince the audience. The government deliberately delayed ensuring a peaceful, well there was a peaceful protest, but things like shutting down the truck horns, you know, ensuring there was a, they had all the, they had all the, they had all the legal tools they needed to the truckers behaved very, very well. I disagree with the horns, but the security services were not were being deliberately ignored for three weeks in order to increase the intention with the hope that there would be some sort of outbreak of violence which could use as a false flag i know that firsthand from someone from someone i know that that doesn't that

doesn't surprise me in the least i mean if um from the lack of services that were around the the Freedom Convoy. Take the emergency service. That's one, but like just simple things, right? Like access to garbage and garbage removal or bathrooms, you know,

like different things like that. They're just, you know, would, if you were going to ensure that it remained peaceful and not have people, I don't know, taking a crap on the front lawn,

outhouses and different things like that, except there were none. You know, like I spent a day wandering, trying to find a bathroom, because I had to pee real bad. And I had a cop tell me, just go pee over there. And I'm like, I'm not going to pee on the side of the street.

What do I got to do to get in, right? Like it's, and I sat there and, you know, it'll shock people. But, you know, he was like, well, you could go in in this store. And I wanted, I think this was the thing that the Laurentian elite, if we would, if we're going to use that, we're surprised at was the level at which people there wanted it to remain peaceful. So there was a, I want to say, a McDonald's. Donald's, if memory serves me, correct? And so I went in there and then I needed a mask. And instead of creating a big stink, I walk back to the police officer, Peter.

You can imagine this will make everyone laugh. And I asked the police officer for a mask. And meanwhile, it's a giant protest where nobody's wearing a mask. And he's like, he kind of laughed at me. And I'm like, just want to remain peaceful. And if they want me to wear it in there, I'll just wear, I just need to use a bathroom. So then I wore a mask in and then they had the bathrooms locked. They wouldn't even allow anybody to use it.

I'm like, even if I buy like a burger or whatever you need me to buy, no. So then, you know, and this cop then starts helping me to find a bathroom, right? Like it just kept going on and on and on. So when you talk about pulling all the levers, all the levers were pulled to ensure or to try and ensure that it would become something they could, they could justify force on. Exactly. And that's on top of all the debanking, the endless false media coverage. Correct. That was against a moderate-sized protest.

What are they going to do when they're losing their primary financial element? Anything that's written down law is gone. They will not stop. There's some text indicating willingness to use lethal force to break it up. Mike Carney wrote an article calling everyone who went to the trucker's convoy, everyone who supported them a seditionist. A seditionist is a military term invoking a military upbringing to which I believe Canada still has death penalty potential. This is what we're up against. We need to work around that. War has been defined since the Cold War. What is now called

Fifth Generation War is a mix of sciops, propaganda, separating and demonizing particular dental-up groups, false flag events, combined with financial and travel restrictions and lawfare. We got just a taste of it at COVID. It would be a lot worse. Tamar Litch, year five now of her legal proceedings, wanted to send to prison for eight years for mischief. That's not about trucker. That's a warning to all Burtons and Saskatchewaners who are thinking about leaving. This will happen to you. This is a warning. Look at the response to the Catalonia independence referendum. Catalonia is a region of Spain, which was historically independent 500 years ago.

It was called Aragon at the time. And it merged with the Kingdom of Castile in 1492, which is the same year they sent out Columbus and also the same year that they reconquered Granada. So that's what was the formation of Spain. As we know, Catalonia declared independence about three years ago. Fair referendum, they won. What happened? Nothing. Well, actually, more than nothing,

they took out everybody who was in that movement, essentially. And how much coverage of that do we have in the West? Zero. None, exactly. The only reason I know about it is because it's come up on the podcast, really. You don't hear any government agency news outlet talking about it unless it's independent, pretty much. Just so we're clear on sedition. I looked it up.

It says a maximum of 14 years in prison for sedition. And sedition, it has outlined as speaking, seditious words, publishing, seditious libel or being a part of a seditious conspiracy. So, you know, I don't know. Sedition is defined as actions or words intended to incite rebellion or violence against government or government authority. So basically, this is sedition, essentially. And then it said for military personnel,

A sedition is also dressed under Section 82 of the National Defense Act where advocating government change by force is punishable of life imprisonment or obviously less. So just so we're... Okay. So I stand corrected. It's not, it's not extended anymore. It's just worth a year, 10 years of lawfare and then the rest of your life behind bars. Correct. Just almost death penalty. Well, I tell you what, what I learned after the Freedom Convoin, I'm not trying to pull us off

the subject. You can pull us back. But the thing I learned about going to Ottawa and then seeing what happened in Coots and, you know, is if you're going to stand up against a machine, to me, the machine is the government, which is, you know, we can, the Langell elite and just the establishment, you have to be prepared to lose it all. And losing it all can go a lot of different ways. I think watching the Coots Boys shows exactly that. Tamarin Chris shows you exactly that. a whole host of other names that were just a part of it that lost, you know, their livelihood and everything else. And everybody screams injustice. And although over time, they might get proven correct that it is injustice, which I think we all believe, how long does it take, you know, and they run you through the absolute gamut. We just read a story by Tristan Hopper on the mashup,

was that last week or the week before about protecting yourself in your home. And actually how it is lawful to protect yourself in your home. But what happens, is you get dragged through the courts for years before they find that. So that's money, that's livelihood, that's all the things that happen in the media where they just absolutely smear your name over and over again. And if you're going to do and follow through, as you point out, Alberta being the plum, one of the plums of the world, you best believe that's coming for all of Alberta.

Yes, thank you. So to summarize, let's know our enemy. Their power is based on taxes, lawfare, propaganda, and money through the printing press. The Senate, the federal bureaucracy, especially since COVID and anyone who refused the injection was fired without EI, the courts, the federal courts with the Altrujudeau judge appointees,

the Governor General, they're all compromised. None of them are a safeguard against the Laurentian elite. But here's what we get a little more interesting. Let's look at Carney. He's a banker. He had to run for prime minister. And I was thinking about that and I'm like, you know, he's not a natural politician. He doesn't have, you know, that charisma that politicians usually have.

Why was he installed? Usually he'd be the guy back there doing funny, you know, all the things in the background. Dancy calculations. And now he's at front. I was thinking about that. And I was like, hmm, what does that mean? You know, Trudeau was there, stooge.

He's an idiot. Right. And he, you know, he said everything was like a script. But here's what I thought. They have systematically dumped down education over the last 30, 40 years. So the population isn't equipped with the education to understand where they're, how they're, how they're being controlled. But they went too far. It was just successful.

Like, look at the cabinet. Sean Fraser, Christy Freeland. They're all, you know, Pat Heydo. Like, they're all. where's where's the competent person like where's the minister that did something amazing like they were all you know Omar Al gabra they're all like that you know they didn't really achieve anything and you know we can talk for hours about Trudeau and we have talked for hours about Trudeau and it's pretty clear to me at least that they they took like a script

out of Frank Herbert's Dune whoever bear you know the Lernshallit whoever Baron Harkon is and they realized Trudeau is a So one or two years or three years before he they got rid of him. They made him so bad. You know, they exemplified how bad he was. So when they brought in the next person, no matter who he was, it would be regarded as a savior. And that was part of their reelection plan.

Is Carney competent? Yes. Is he intelligent? Yes. Are we 100% sure what his agenda is? No. You know, he's written of this book called Values and he focuses on on the climate change, the climate change thing enormously and that every financial transaction should have a carbon element attached. Do we see that happening? No. So does that mean he changed his mind? I don't know, right? But what we see here is a sign of weakness that in all the liberal

group, there's one competent person, and he's a gentleman who would have preferred be in the, you know, backroom dealing with managing the financial systems and the policy. So there's a weakness there. And I'm going to talk about some other potential weaknesses that we should consider we as we as freedom-loving Canadians and Albertans should think about. So then I'm going to say, though no stop with no one, I know thy enemy. Let's start with know thyself. What is Alberta? What are assets and vulnerabilities?

And how do we strategize based on what we know about our enemy and what we know about Alberta and Albertans? I would argue Alberta is what's left of the Canadian spirit. I'm not saying that Alberta is different from Canada. I'm saying what made the Canadian spirit great to begin with is still here, but it's been disbanded in most of us of the country. So Alberta is actually the most Canadian of the provinces. Oh, some people are going to get angry at me for saying that, but that's okay. I came up, I was making breakfast one morning, and I said,

unconquered, uncowed, Canadian, Alberta. Take that or leave it. It was like a catchphraser, like a tourism thing. I'm saying since I'm since independence is going to be very, very difficult and all these other things. Let's do it while we're in, let's work we have to do inside

Canada and go from defensive to offensive. I'm actually in agreement with Carson Durema, a National Post journalist who wrote an short article in the National Post a couple weeks ago. I said, I want Alberta to take over Canada because this province actually works a whole lot better. And with that, I'll dive into six challenges and potential solutions that I think we need to think about to get Alberta ready for independence and in the process possibly fix this country and render their independence movement moot, but also make it possible to actually make an exit in a few years if things don't go our way.

Okay. Okay. Number one is the geography is geography, the landlock. track. We've already mentioned Lloyd Minster. Think about it on a larger scale. Alberta's economy is strongly integrated with the rest of the country, especially with Saskatchewan. And we have one, we have one neighbor on the south, as we all know. Our borders were defined by the British Empire, by some guy in either auto or London with a ruler, who happened to know where the route, where the water divide was between the rocky, simply because the Canadian Pacific Railway had already built so they could follow the watersheds.

When you read the history of civilization, remember I mentioned that, it's like this, you know, four-foot-long tone that my father told me to read before he turned 30. When you read about all the dozens or hundreds of separatist movements, it's usually a well-defined geographic area that's sort of off on its own with a strong economy. Alberta has a very strong economy, but we're not really off on our own. We're surrounded. I think Alberta independence right off the bat is kind of a non-starter. I'm going, Alberta plus Saskatchewan and some kind of federation, which I'm tentatively calling Athabasca, would have more of a chance and definitely double the credibility because this two provinces, not one saying to the Lerentrin League, we are so disgusted with the way you're treating us that we're actually considering leaving one of the best countries in the world.

And this canola oil thing is symptomatic. China slaps on a 100% tariff on one of our, so certainly Saskatchewan's largest export, one of Alberta's major export, something numbering the billions with tens of thousands employees. Someone's going to correct me with exact numbers, but whatever. And there's almost boo from Ottawa. And China's saying the reason we're doing this is because you've got to slap on us for something like the electronic vehicles or something. I don't know. But you can tell that the priority is not us.

So right off the bat, the Alberta, the Alberta, and Saskatchewan independence movements should have been coordinated from day one. Alberta and Saskatchewan would need to leave together to have credit any level of credibility with Eastern Canadians and any and any level of credibility on the world stage. There are lots, not lots, there's about half a dozen countries more or less outside in the world that have been operating independently without international recognition. Alberta does not want to be one of them. A good example is Somaliland. Somaliland has been independent basically since 1990. It's relatively well run, but nobody,

Nobody knows her's heard about it. And it's not recognized in any maps because they didn't, they just weren't able to get international recognition. On the other hand, Kosovo was split off from Serbia as a way a weak in Serbia. And their claim to independence is weak at best. But that's showing up on maps. So I think our solution for geography is getting back to trade corridors, which I've spoken to before.

I've spoken on other podcasts in more detail. We have an east-west corridor running through the country, running through the province, which ties east-to-west. Even as an independent country, we can't block that because of international laws, which we will follow, and the Laurentian elite would not. But we can use that leverage, especially if we look at the Northwest Passage by real, or what I call the northern Panama Canal of the North from Hudson-Beda, North Coast, BC, and use that as leverage with Ottawa and C. say, if you want this, we want equalization, the equalization payments issue dealt with more fairly and use that as a leverage point openly. That was one thing that I disagreed with Ben Trudeau on. I agree with 99% of what Ben Trudeau said, but where he kind of glossed over the liberal element of Quebec, I'm like, no, there are Quebecers coming to Ottawa in the South, coming to Alberta

in the thousands, because Quebec is operating almost like a miniature tyranny. inside the country. They're shutting down churches. The electric system is ridiculous, that the laws are hyper-controlling, and the province is predatory, and more provinces than just Alberta. The province is predatory, at least on Newfoundland because of that electrical deal with Newfoundland, et cetera. So trade corridors is one leverage, and then with the trade corridor to Alaska, as I said, we don't even need to build the infrastructure. We just need the corridor if we can have a corridor from the lower 48 to Alaska. We at least have a leverage point with Washington to give us to support us in what we're seeking to do with Ottawa and to

eliminate the potential American involvement in shutting down our oil sands because as we discussed before it's in the geopolitical interest the United States to do what they're doing which is support the limitation of export of Alberta oil so that we're forced to sell them at a discount, which they can then profit from. And it's in their best interest to keep some of the oil in the ground in case when they run out, they have another supply they can use. But we need to talk about these things openly. And I think that the Alaska Corcor could assist with that. You go back to building. I can't remember if this is your thought, but this is what comes to mind is building things. And when you build things, good things come from it. And you're talking about

railways again or corridors which is you know Shane Getson once came on here in 2021 and every time he comes on since he brings it up all the time the energy corridors going north or going into Manitoba to the Hudson etc giving access creating ways for things to be built and industry to thrive instead of you know slowly be cornered and and regulated out the wazoo. I'll do a plug for a I'm doing a two to three hour geek central transportation lecture with Matt Aretz class on September 21st, Sunday. So you can look up that if you really want to go into ice conditions, seasonally, different permafrost conditions across the country where the resources are.

We can, we go hypergeek mode and bore yourself to death with that, but I won't go into that. I'm going to go into the second issue. we need to deal with. So does Alberta have clear grievances with Laurentian elite? That's another thing we need to consider because independence movements, successful ones have clear grievances that they're able to express. Oh yeah, I think on that when we're strong. Alberta is very clear on its grievances with Ottawa. But the messaging is here. We need to get the messaging out to the rest of the country and internationally. We have decades of Laurentian League, Apaganta painting us as white supremacists or anti-indigenous or dumb cowboys.

Their behavioral pattern I find is that they see us as ignorant peasants. And they're entitled to take our resources as fair tax as fair compensation for the trouble of dealing with us. That's a behavioral pattern I see out of Ottawa. And take it or leave it. I'm sure there might be a few federalists reading this and getting offended by that. But hey, that's how I feel when I hear, when I see how Ottawa treats, treats Alberta as a whole. How would you get, how would you get a different message out east? Like, and where would the funding for that come from to, you're talking about the Alberta government?

No. Putting out it, okay, then when you. I think Albertans need to focus on that energy. I think the energy that's being spent on like the prosperity project, and that incredible grassroots energy that albertans have to put things together we need to focus on a certain element of that needs to go into PR out east I'm hopping I'm hopping the gun here a little bit because counterprop I'm calling it counterpropaganda I'm saying the messaging is it's not okay to stereotype alberdens it's equivalent to a form of racism I have a crazy idea to offer EI to offer you remember

There's a whole tens of thousands of people are fired because they refused to take the shot and they were denied EI. Yes. Offer to pay them that EI because it's not a lot. It's you got $2,000 a month. It's 24,000 a year. And usually the cap is nine months. So it's like $15,000. Those people who are fired,

that's one thing I would do for government to Alberta to really annoy the Laurentian elite. Okay, we'll give you the equivalent of nine months of EI if you were fired without for, for because you refuse to take shot if you move to Alberta, give them 15,000 bucks or whatever it is 16,000. That would be, that would make the learn trades extremely angry and bring a lot of people we need over here who would know the East and be willing to um and and we reopen that that uh what that policy did. But the main the main focus is building a national law. Our natural allies are loggers and miners in British Columbia, our farmers in Saskatchewan and Manitoba, loggers, miners in Northern Ontario, fishermen in New Brunswick, people that run the oil rigs in Newfoundland.

Anybody that wants to take a walk in Nova Scot, in New Brunswick, be our natural ally. We need to be talking to them because Laurentian Elite is dominant, really just Ottawa, Kingston, Montreal. They have a strong sway in parts of Vancouver and in good parts of Toronto. That's it. The rest of the country is our natural ally. We need to unify them. We need to bring them together. And government of Alberta can't do most of that thing, most of that, but we have so much energy and we have such well-meaning people. I'm saying take that energy that's going towards Alberta independence and start building that national lines. Another defense for that is two or three times I've seen now where somebody talks about, you know, Alberta declare independence, but then

somebody else will want to join us and, you know, maybe Saskatchewan, maybe the Kootenis, maybe northwest territories, you know, I made a map like that and I saw a map like that on Western Standard and one of your other guests was mentioning something to that effect. So don't remember all those? Yes. That's instinctive. We're not calling for Alberta independence. We're calling for Alberta to take over the country.

We're starting, we'll start here, but it won't work. So we need to make it bigger. We need that. We need that. Because those are our natural allies. Why leave Canada? Let's focus on building those alliances and coordinating them. That is a threat to the Laurentian elite.

And if you remember Tamara Litch when she got up at Cornerstone, she said, for the first time of my life, I realized why they divide us because I had of Quebecers. I was saying that's Quebecers against the the mandates. And there were, and there's folks from Nova Scotia that were making the hot tub and all these other things. And she's saying, that was the first time I felt Canada. And that's what they want to suppress because Canada is their enemy. Learned strength can't literally can and is our enemy. And she said, but we should leave anyway. And that's where I disagreed with her.

I said, let's bring that together. Like if that's what they are afraid of, that's what we need to pursue. Now, I also have a crazy idea, which I think we should espouse. And I think would be fair coming from the mouth of Daniel Smith, which is most major federations in the world carve out a piece of land for their federal city. So the District of Columbia is a great example. It's not a part of any state. District of Columbia is separate from any state, but it's not a state, but the capital building is there. Australia, there's an Australian capital territory. Canberra is in the Australian capital territory. It is not part of New South Wales. Russia, there is a Russian,

sorry, Moscow Oblast. It's, and it's given one of the special priority obelists, I think. There's only like six and six special, you know, autonomous oblasts in Russia. I think Moscow is one of them. And that's where the Kremlin is. Beijing. There's a Beijing Xi, a Beijing province. What, what would we don't have that. Ottawa is, Ottawa is, is an Ontario and Quebec. So you've got a million and 1.2 million people, mainly dependent on the federal civil, the federal dole, they're voting. They live in federal world. but they're voting in provincial elections. They're used to having federal money patting them all the time.

So when people are in that bubble, that's where socialism thrives. When people don't have to think about, when they think about money just as numbers versus money as resources. When you're out in the real world, you have to think of money as a medium exchange, not as a money something you get print on a press. Federal staff don't usually think that way because they're in a different bubble. And that's a sense of an international thing.

So my argument is we should have a federal district or separate province, get the Ottawa and get no voters out of Ontario and Quebec. How you draw those borders? I've come up with a few options, you know, include Kingston, non-include Kingston, include part of Montreal, Petawawa, whatever. I say the main thing is get Ottawa out. With that, you'd see definitely a right-wing shift of voting in both Quebec and Ontario. And I think that is something that the government, Alberta, can espouse and, and, and

favor without, I'm not even sure it would require a constitutional amendment. And may or may not, because if you're creating a province, it's one thing, but if you're just creating like a federal territory, I don't think you have to do a constitutional amendment. I could be wrong. That's one thing I definitely think we should go for. The only, well, not the only thing. When you talk about that, I'm like, but they don't want that. Like they, why would, why would, certainly people of Canada, you could, you could, they could entertain that idea.

But the power structure of Canada wouldn't want that, correct? No. Would that not produce? Because they influenced the Ontario elections. Right. So you have. We outnumber them. We outnumber them.

If we get the, if you get the people of Ontario saying we want Ottawa out, there's more like, you also. fair but in the last election all it took was elbows up and the entire country flipped to run a campaign that could see any idea like that happened peter like think of the think of the the money that would go against it and we just saw i mean pierre was like winning uh winning sorry in crushing fashion they put in carney elbows up all sudden he squeaks by another election yes but that was combined with a prong thing that was remember it's built keeping the Americans out is built into Canadian DNA either deliberately or not Canadians were founded by people that not did not want to join the Union so I still think that a key part of that was Trudeau

going oh mr. Trump we can't survive without Eric Sports to you you know that was like he's not pictures of Trudeau you know with his legs crossed which I'm not going do or the stupid socks. I still think that was a main part. I think, well, I feel, I think, the, the, the, the, the, the, the infrastructure announcements could have played a part in that as well. Oh, we're going to get, you know, we're going to get this major infrastructure thing, uh, in the east. Those kinds of, it was very well played. It was very well planned out. And I was blaming butts. I still think butts is a central part of it, but I'm like, this goes beyond one brain. Like, there is a lot of experience going in.

into how they approach that. And that helps also define what we're dealing with, right? They, you know, I still say Carney wasn't actually, isn't the legitimate prime minister. He won the federal election, but he didn't win the liberal leadership race. It's practically statistically impossible. He went between 75 and 90% of the vote

in every single Canadian writing. No deviations whatsoever, between 75 and 90, always. I asked an AI, what is a chance in 343 writings that you get that kind of distribution? Outcome, yes. Ocome. And it's better to number of 3% probability. Or might have been 2%. It was a while ago.

It was extremely low probability because you always get outliers. There's always going to be one writing that prefers Christia Freeland or whatever. What about Ruby Dahlia? Like she was like, she was hot, man. She was like coming in. She's like pounding her fist. And suddenly she's disqualified. Why?

And they took her, they took her money. They took her money. And then two days later, they disqualified her. Like, this, two thirds. But you're outlining why I think a lot of Albertans say, we just got to get out now. Because you look at it and you go, the power structure was there. You know, did he win the liberal leadership race? They say yes.

We all stare at it and go, look at all the things that. played out over the course of a couple of months and they put their hands so heavily on that scale the only way you don't recognize that is because you don't even look at it as soon as you start looking at it you're like holy crap they just put a guy in now we can talk about the actual election that he wanted okay fair but look at how we got in and we can all i think anyone on the show looks at and goes, yeah, no, no, they, they put their hand firmly on the scale and pushed hard. Yes. Ruby Daly is just one of them, right?

Like, of like, the fact that there's two or three percent chance of it all skewing that way to Carney is just another. It's like, I don't have to be a great statistician and understand what you're talking about. That doesn't make any sense. And yet, he's leading our country right now. Yes. So when you're talking about aligning people, getting, people all to come together under this big umbrella, that is a giant goal. I mean, almost, I don't want to say impossible, but the probability of what you're talking about feels like it is

on the same scale of like it is a low percent chance that that can happen. Am I wrong on that? I would say you're right or wrong because I don't know. I disagree. I think there's a lot of latent resentment against government overreach. excessive taxation. Sure. The cost of our quality of life is going down. We're one of the few countries on the planet where the quality of life is going down.

There's a tremendous amount of latent resentment. It just people don't know what they're resenting against. The Lerentrens and Belit are singling out Alberta as the boogeyman as a way to sabotage the independence movement and get the province to heal. I'm saying turn the table. Stop playing tic-tac-toe and start playing three-dimensional chess with the big boys. Because we're playing the best. big boy game now. Canada, the federal government has given up the role of governing this country.

It's not doing a decent job. We need to fill that gap. If we fill that gap, we're going to bring the rest of the, I think the rest of the country will come in line faster. And that is what they have shown is that what they are most fear. As I said, if they're the most fearful of it, that's what you have to target. Another factor I'm afraid of, with the Alberta independence movement is part of the reason. Explan's differently. If you look at the voting patterns across the country, there's a very strong rural urban divide.

You look at British Columbia. You know, there's Vancouver, Burma, New Westminster is red, the rest is blue. You know, Victoria, which is, you know, multicolored rainbow, but they're off on their own universe. But, you know, it's, you know, it's, It's it's it's it's blue you look at Alberta most of Calgary's blue Albert Edmonton suburbs are blue so central

Edmonton that's NDP you look at any other province Regina Saskatchewan or red Winnipeg is red Toronto subbury red Everything else is blue Quebec is dyslexic or schizophrenic however you want to call it some parts are block some parts of blue some parts of Montreal is red Eastern townships are red and the maritime are you know again Blue red cities blue countryside. By the way, one thing I was really annoyed about with Pierre's election campaign last year was like, why didn't you bring this up?

The thing with Carney? Why didn't you bring up these other issues? I mean, like, who the heck is Carney? Like, you didn't really focus on. What the heck is the Knights of Malta? Karni is a is a is a night of Malta? I don't know what that means. There's a zillion conspiracy theorist, but ask in public, what is the rights of Malta? What is what did your membership in that entail and who are your loyalties to? Why would you ask you this question? So I was like that was one of my frustrations with the last election is there's all these gaps. Why aren't you asking that as pure? So here's my concern with the urban-rull-divides one of Alberta's strengths is we don't have that urban-rural divide. We do have an urban-rural divide, but it's not nearly as strongly pronounced. It's part of the reason we can speak for one voice. They will use the independence referendum to create a rural urban divide in Alberta.

they will focus in on Calgary and Edmonton and they will propagandise the heck out of them to say, you know, your Canadian cities or you know, do you really want to be part of those, you know, those ignorant peasants out in, in Three Hills, right?

Sorry, I think on Three Hills is the first. Yeah. We love you Three Hills. We love you three hills. But I'm just saying how they're, you know, how they're going to spin it away.

They're going to say it's all on. And it's a bunch of indigenous hating folks out in the countryside that, da-da-da, you know, Cowboys and Indians, 1840s, da-da-da. That's one of my main concerns is that an independence referendum that comes in at, you know, 40% in favor, 45% in favor, it uses up our credibility on the national stage and the international stage and it uses up a lot of that energy and money that could have gone towards fixing this country and it's going to be used instead to create an urban rural divide turn edmonton and Calgary red as a divide in conquer tactic which is what they're very good at and then

then they will go in for the kill national energy program will be buttercups and honey in comparison to what they're going to bring in plus which the law fair It's going to be, at best results, it's going to be a Catalonia where the leaders end up being, you know, exiled or imprisoned on some trumped up tart. Anybody that supports it, you know, it's going to be issues. So that's a main concern. With the Americans, we can't do this without forgetting the Americans. The Americans are not going to support us. Definitely not without Saskatchewan, definitely not on our own.

a larger body they might. The Americans usually get what they want. We saw that with, I mean, that they won this deal with Armenia. We'll see if that holds, but that's 99-year-lease. But the Americans are very good players. They have running from both sides of experience because they have fought off whatever the worldwide elite is under Trump. Some people say Trump is part of the worldwide elite. It's an even bigger sci-up than they thought.

I don't tend to believe that. Tom Luongo doesn't tend to believe that, but they play the hard game. And they've already shown that what they're willing to do to help, that they're willing to allow the eco groups, like tides in San Francisco to help shut down our portions, or restrict our oil stands in development, simply to keep a reserve. We need to figure out a way to get the Americans inside.

As I said, we can temper that with a corridor to Alaska, but it's not going to go all the way where the Americans are saying we support that because Americans, it's not in their best interest at the stage to have a plethora of separate into provincial independent states that they have to manage separately, all of which are voting blue and with, you know, that they have to. And Americans just don't get Canadian mindset. I know Americans can think that Canadians are basically the same culture. We're actually considerably different. And I've talked about, talked about that.

Is it is a, and I don't know if. this is a simple way of putting it, but what it feels like, and I don't know what analogy to use, I guess I can bring it back to hockey, but if we're playing a game of hockey, you call it 3D chess, we're showing up and we got a star forward

in maybe the independence movement. He's a great, you know, he's McDavid, let's say. But if you don't have the supporting cast around him, McDavid can never win because he's just one guy playing against the team that is four lines deep. It is, for all intensive purposes, sorry, Oilers fans, it's the Florida Panthers.

You're playing. They are good. They are structured. Their talent depth is insane. And you're saying, basically, we have to put pieces on the board to help and start to battle from a position of strength. And we assume it's the resources and that we have Daniel Smith. And I'm acting like we don't have a whole bunch of pieces.

already. But you're saying you have to put them together so that you have a formable force, so you can start dealing from a position of strength instead of, I don't know, weakness is probably the only way I could say it. I don't know if that analogy encompasses what I'm trying to say. There's another morning when I was making my morning breakfast. I was thinking I should, instead of using the 3D chess thing, I should use the hockey analogy. And then before I finished breakfast, I forgot to say, you know, it's exactly that. We're a middle league. when I say we're not Middle League, we're a world class.

We're world class plays. Don't get me that wrong. But we haven't been on the international stage. And they play for keeps. They play hard. And if we're declaring independence, we're moving, we're saying we want to move to that board. And the other pieces around us, the Laurentian League pieces in Canada and many aspects of the state will go out of their way to crush us. And the Americans are most likely to stand by.

But yeah, so we're going for Middle League. We have, we're like a Middle League team that has the capacity to me Major League. But we want to wait until we have the floor space, the ice space, the equipment, and the right conditions all ready to go to get. So you can win or succeed or whatever word do you want to put in there. This is Ben Trudeau saying you need to get the Alberta pension plan or others talk about the police force. Others talk about banking. Others talk, right, there's all these different things that need to be done in order to put us in a position to have success instead of figuring it out when it happens after the fact. Yes.

I'm going to talk about four other things in a moment. I'll just mention the other weakness of the election or elite. Remember I mentioned earlier that I had a sense, you know, I've got friends inside security service. services. I'm not a big tough guy. But I have friends, they're tone Trudeau to Trudeau. They never liked him, but the tone changed. And I think part of the reason that he may have resigned when he did is that the intelligence service, and I'm not talking like CSE, I'm talking like CSE or PMO, may have come to him and said, it's possible that the security service will not follow your direction anymore, that they will mutiny if you try to do something like the trucker, the

or crackdown again. I don't have any information for that. I'm not going to ask my friends directly, but it's just the way they talked. And it's not one person, it's several. I was just like, it wasn't sedition. It was, we're not, we're tired of following an idiot. Okay. That weakness is still there. It hasn't been improved. You know, National Post ran an article recently on on CIS, demoralization inside CIS, inability to get things done, that the PMO is ignoring valuable intelligence that is being gathered, or they're not, they're, they're, they're perverting it for short-term political gains when it may be long-term issues, ergo CCP incursions, whatever you want to call it.

RCMP, very top-heavy, very woke administration. Most RCMP officers that I that I talk to, they, they're folks that really want to serve their community and they want to do it right. And when folks get arrested and go in front of some woke judge and they're let go and then go, you know, rape some kid, that's very demoralizing. So I think that's another tool that the Premier and the government of Alberta can stand up for RCNB and CIS and the CIAF. They need a voice. They don't have a political voice.

And I think that's another thing that could that is. a real potential advantage for the province, the people of Alberta and the government of Alberta, is to stand up for our security services and say, you know, get right in there. You know, RCMP is easy. They're hired out to do most of the community policing across the province. So I think it's completely legitimate for mayors and community groups and the premier to get up and say, you need to reform the RCMP this way. You need to eliminate all these dumb woke policies. You need to improve administration. You need to get back to basics, basic policing.

The RCMP know how to keep a good community going. And, you know, the thing I, people talk about when we'll just get a whole new police force. Well, then you're just hiring the same RCNP over. That's what that's what the province does. And you know, like Ontario, it's one in Ontario, they have Ontario provincial police, but you're seeing the same issues, the woke issues.

We need to just stand up for the police. I'm saying we just need to stand up for the police force that we have. They were founded in, Regina, their Western icon. Let's support them. Same with Canadian Armed Forces. Alberta's got more military bases, I think, than any of the province. Let's stand up for these guys. Let's be their voice. Let's create a public forum for their frustrations, which are not being heard in federal circles. Because Ottawa regards them as doesn't, doesn't respect them the same way they don't respect us. And I think that's one very powerful way to change the narrative is

You know, if a Nova Scotian here is the Premier of Alberta, speaking for the working members of the RCMP or for CESIS to get helping it at their job done, that person over in Nova Scotia, Newfoundland is going like, okay, why is the Premier of the Dark Horse province fighting for our beloved police force and speaking for what my local officer is telling me, whereas I'm not hearing the same out of Ottawa, right? That I think that's a powerful trigger that we could leverage as well. With that, I'm going to go change tone a little bit. I'm a member of UCP, as most people probably guessed by now. I'm a vice president of policy for a riot for the Banff, Canaanascus constituency association. And I was authorized by the CA to cheat and talk about a bit of our policy development behind the scenes that has occurred. And I think it's time for some of that policy to become a. bit more public and they have agreed with me. So in 2023 our, in my opinion, the most valuable

policy contribution that we made was to a policy for the UCP passed at an AGM saying we should ban digital voting to ensure the integrity of elections. And that was based on what I saw in terms of the election right here in this constituency association, which I'm not going to know in detail, but I was convinced we need to have paper ballots counted by hand with everybody. right there voting at the same night. Like we should have results. 100% every single vote, whether it's advanced voting or anything.

Everything's counted by hand with ID at every step along the path. The premier has turned that into law. So we're very happy about that. Before you go, sorry, before you go any further on your other points. Yeah. Why is it important for hand counting versus, you know, ease, right? We just had Alberta, the Alberta Pass, the Alberta app, I forget what they called it, but it's talking about having your health card is now digital, right?

Everything's moving digital, Peter, is what I'm trying to say. Why is keeping it by hand counting versus a tabulator where it can just, you know, everybody's going to look at that as efficiency. You guys are staying in the dark ages. Why would you count by hand when you could just use computers and AI and all, all these different things to give you results faster. You don't get results faster. The people count the votes in about three or four hours.

If it is electronic, it can be hacked. If there is something like the Laurentian elite, they can afford bigger computers, better computers, and better programmers than we can. It's that simple. Do you believe the 2020 election result that Biden, who poops his pants, probably, be Trump? I will go into specifics.

So the night of the election in our writing, the UCP candidate was something like 2.25. At 11 p.m., the UCP candidate was 2,500 votes ahead, with 90% of the ballots counted. So I was like, okay, we went. I drove home. 1130, I check, and we've lost the writing. So what the heck just happened? the advanced polls had been counted between 11 and 1130 by a machine, and they were voting like 90% for the NDP.

The end result was we lost the writing by about 200 votes. Now, I will be disagreed with people inside my own CA. That's fine. I'm saying this creates a suspicion in my mind. The advanced polls theoretically are supposed to be counted first, because they're the easiest. You take the box, you dump it into the machine. It does the thing and it counts, right?

But I saw that pattern. They waited until almost all the hand vote voted counts. The manual votes had been counted. And then you knew the- And then you knew the- And I saw the same pattern in the states again and again and again. Like you read the elections as like, oh, yeah, we were winning and suddenly we lost.

Oh, yeah, we were winning. You know that vote where it's like, you know, Republican and the Democrat, right? I saw that pattern again and again. in. Is that proof? No, it's circumstantial. But that's enough of a suspicion. The purpose of an election is to prevent war, physical war. That is the purpose of votes. That is the purpose of an election because it's different groups of people that are fighting it out. So they say they go to the poll so they can see who wins. So they don't fight about it. They just go, okay, one person won.

You take away election integrity. You create an environment for actual physical violence. elections must be believable by everybody. You have to maintain that integrity. That is a central component of our civilization. It is an essential component to democracy. It is essential component to prosperity. Because if you do not have a peaceful society where you don't know the next six months,

somebody's going to get into a gunfight with some other group because they don't have a fair forum to fight, you have to keep it free. So it's like this election integrity is integral. Okay. in 2024 our main policy in my opinion was starting from the who treaty our way we wrote it we said the who treaty is about health it's infringing on provincial jurisdiction and the federal government is giving away our jurisdiction to some unelected folks up is it Geneva or Davos I don't know

and they're going to they can declare when there's a pandemic they can decide what the what the result or return of the pandemic they can make it mandatory to get a shot in your arm for whatever drug they want they can imprison you for distributing false information is like no you're impinging on provincial jurisdiction of health you're also on criminal justice on a whole bunch of well not criminal justice that's federal but i mean uh several points a whole yes you're infringing on what provinces have under their purview under their control yeah so uh we We started with the draft policy games to the we worked with UCP members and we carried a policy which is very bureaucratic sounding but basically tells the

international groups Alberta is Alberta we have our constitutional jurisdiction and we don't care with the federal signs away that was co-sponsored by 13 CAs around the province and it won by like 95% plus on the floor and I felt that was a very important policy to pass and that is also where our government brought government over is going to be taking a lot of heat behind the scenes because the feds are saying no we can make international treaties international treaties and the province is saying no you still have to respect provincial jurisdiction which gets a little bit back to how van trudeau explaining how quebec plays the international field okay we have to learn from Quebec without becoming cynical parasitists like Quebec does In 2025, we're proposing four policies that I think are very, very important towards what I'm talking about. And I'm cheating because I'm not supposed to talk about what's going on inside UCP, but I'll probably take heat for it, but whatever. I'll do that later.

Number one is a variation of Brett Olin's proposal, which is a provincial financial system. The federal government has something called FinTrack. What that means is they look at financial transactions to see if they are. look like they have to do with crime or organized crime or terrorism, financing or anything like that. So they can shut those things down. Switzerland has the best system, of course. Every day they have an Excel sheet on their government website. You can look it up and it says these companies are green, these companies are red.

So anybody around the world can look up as Excel sheet, which is updated daily and go, okay, this company is, according to the Swiss government, not dealing with. And because it's updated daily, I can feel fairly confident about it. And these other companies we're not so sure about. They're not blacklisted. They're just redlisted. You can just choose, but, you know, let me out of the repercussions. What that means is, is that's where debanking came from.

They used that, they misused that tool. And they said, anybody that's supporting the truckers convoy is a sedition. They defined what in their mind terrorism was. Yes. So they define freedom convoys terrorism. And if you supported it, you're getting debanked. Yes. So one policy.

is for Alberta to create its own Fintrack system to cover provincially mandated, provincially chartered financial institutions of which credit unions in the ATB are the most prominent. And I believe that is an essential, that cannot occur, that's one step that must occur before you can go to an appendix referendum, right? Because then you're, like, I've If you threaten, if a government threatens financial penalties for people who support independent and they have control over that, there will be a lot of businesses and individuals that look at that and go, I just can't afford to do anything that gets my bank shut down. Yes.

Whereas if it was controlled provincially, then it becomes closer to home where you can put pressure on the UCP government or whichever government is in. Be like, you will not shut this down. It brings it closer to home than, you know, thousands of miles away. You got it. Second one is a government efficiency initiative, which we... I actually just want to stick on FinTrack just for one second. Sure. Because I don't know the answer to this and obviously you putting forth a policy on this.

I just assumed, and terrible to assume things, that a province couldn't have its own fin track. I just assumed that then you'd be outside the system. You can have your own fin track provincially and that work... with the rest of the country? In the Canadian Constitution, provinces can charter financial institutions and regulate them. We use the Fintrack system because on the surface it seems more efficient, so you have one organization that's checking for proceeds of crime and terrorism funding

as opposed to more. But we've already mentioned the RCMP, CIS and Canadian Armed Forces are very highly demoralized and they're prevented from doing their job. So I'm saying, let's switch it to provincial. We definitely have enough people working for the government, Alberta. I'm pretty sure you could create a couple new departments without having to hire more people, despite leaning out the other system. That was another policy.

That's interesting to me, because I know, you know, you talk to a ton of, well, I think together we talk to a ton of influential people or just everyday folks as well. well. And one of the fears is banking is that, you know, it seems like every week there's somebody who's getting debanked or or having being forced out of one of the big banks, etc., etc. You know, on this show, we talk, you know, Brett's been on here lots. BVCU is a supporter of the show. And you go attacking people's finances. It's fifth generation warfare. That's. Yeah. And if you could remove that.

That's a big piece to put on the board, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. That's preparing against fifth generation warfare, which is what we're going to, which is what we have experienced with the truckers convoy. We need to learn our lessons from that to prepare for what could come. We need to systematically remove the weapons of the Laurentian elite so that we can save Canada. And we can save Canada by getting ready, by getting this province ready, the way, Quebec has in a way with with the financial tools at its disposal that's does Quebec have its own

fin track I don't think so okay yeah I mean not that we have to do everything as we've pointed out not that you have to do everything Quebec's done just that I once again I didn't realize that was even a possibility I just assumed creating your own fin track was an impossible idea not even an insane one just like that that is impossible you can start your own bank, but your bank has to be regulated by FinTrack. I've never, I've never had the idea brought up on here that you could actually create your own system to govern or monitor, yeah, like follow the banking, the banks of Alberta. Mondler was the word I was looking for.

Yeah, no, I think it's an essential component of what we're talking about and preventing more abuses by the learned from elite. I don't even want to say Ottawa because there's some very good people in Ottawa. Well, I always, you know, taking us off on a tangent slightly. You know, when we bike Canada back in 06, so a brother and a friend of a, we started a newfoundland, we biked across Canada. You know the nicest person we met across Canada? There's a ton of nice people here. Nicest person was in Ottawa.

It was insane. Guide us through that city, fixed their bikes, all these wonderful things. Now, it's just one small little story. But that's why when you say, I don't want to say Ottawa. I understand because there's lots of great people all over this country. I see them and hear from them on the daily, you know. I hear on the phone when Alberta leaves, don't forget about us. There's a whole bunch of pockets all over this country that are great people.

I interview people from all over the country that are great and think exactly like we're thinking and know there's a problem and they're trying to fix it. So when you basically say we can't just say Ottawa and you're fixating on Laurentian Elite, the word choice. I completely agree. Appreciate that. Yeah, so I'll summarize three more draft policies we have hopefully going to the floor. One is government efficiency.

You could call it Doge. I don't really like that term. It's a few other CAs are also going forward as well. It's leaning out the bureaucracy. see. The government of Alberta is, it's bloated. I want to be really careful here because I've done so hard to build connections inside the government of Alberta. But I do feel it can operate much more leanly and much more entrepreneurial and much more out-of-the-box thinking. And that is all related to, you know, the subculture that's developed in Edmonton. And, the it just needs to be leaned out and that what I think Doge is the wrong acronym because Doge was focused on actual corruption I mean it was focused on efficiency we real as a corruption it's money that's supposed to be going up to one thing it's going out to the to to the to the the the deep state in some

way or another or overseas you know do duds or whatever but I do think that the go efficiency in the government over is very very important we could probably find other things for those folks to do like the FinTrack without having to increase our number of staff. The last two are a bit more, I'm talking about cleaning up our own house. Like Alberta still operates very much like a province, basically. It operates. Peter Loheed came up with a grand plan for Alberta when Alberta had like half a million people. He said, okay, well, we'll sell off the arable land. We'll call it the White Zone, which is 40% of the province.

And we'll keep in provincial control 60% of the province, which is basically mountains, hills, trees, forests, etc. For nobody wants to live there. I mean, everybody would like to have a cabin by the lake, but nobody can work. People just go there to visit in the summertime. The net result of that is, is if you look at a map of Alberta, the white zone is still very prominent. It's, you know, Calgary, Edmonton, Medicine Hat, Grand Prairie, etc. And the green zone is 60% of the province, controlled by the Department of Lands for the government of Alberta. This is a department that, for example, took 20 years to transfer two acres with one county for wildlife overpass.

It took 25 years to allow Clearwater County enough crown land for 12 or 25 new residential lots at Nordig. It took so long to release 50 acres outside Fort McMurray that during the boom years at Fort McMurray, they had what they called an emergency planning session to create a new 300 lot subdivision. This is not the kind of use that was intended and Peter Loheed was thinking about a province that maybe will hit 3, 4 million at one point. We're at five now. We need to rethink what Alberta is going to look like. And I still get annoyed. When you look at the government demographics, they say, we're at like 4.95 million and we're going to hit 7.8 million by the year 2050. Well, if you crack that open, the demographic profile is based on two point something percent growth, 2026, 2. Something percent growth in 2027, and then 1 percent every year there. thereafter. The only time Alberta's only had a 1% growth rate per year was probably in COVID. It's always hit around 2, 3%. Last year, I think, was 4. We're going to be hitting 10 million people by 2050. Very high probability. Nine at least. So for every Albertan, there will be two.

And what that means is without releasing more land in the green zone, which is 60% of the province, People will be moving into primarily Calgary and Edmonton. Calgary and Edmonton are more likely than to turn leftist because big cities tend to foment that. But also, it's not going to be the quality of life that we should have. You can live in a cottage by the lake or in the woods and work every day with internet nowadays. Peter Lohe didn't foresee that. So our policy is saying we need to rethink the greens. white zone boundary and we need to strategically release lands we need to think about

alberta at 10 million um and we need to think what's it going to look like because the decisions made today will affect where people can live they are moving into calgary emminton because that's where they can get a house why do you think it costs three million dollars to buy like a two bedroom in can more because it's everybody wants to live in the mountains it's the only place you can live in the mountains maybe crow's nest there's another one the other options are jasper and banff those are obviously closed because those are federal jurisdictions but people want to live in mountains, people want to live in lakes, people want to spread out, and be in more rural environments and, you know, live more rural agricultural.

So let's rethink that boundary. That's what the policy is about. And it relates to the Alberta Land Stewardship Act as though, which I won't go into detail here. Sure. But basically the regional planning process is almost imperialistic in Alberta. I'm a planner. I've always been quite critical of it. And I had a discussion with Danielle in 2008,

a brief conversation about that dividing the province into six planning zones or seven planning zones, which are then designed by Edmonton and then cannot be amended or an effect for 10 years and can't really be amended once they're enacted. This is just handing control to the bureaucracy. I've looked at their results. And I could go into detail, but I want to bore the audience. But in my opinion, the only thing they've contributed,

is water quality standards, clear water quality standards and air quality standards over the past 20-odd years work that was put in by Ed Stelmec, the Premier then. So I really think we need to rethink that from the ground up in terms of what's up, again, boils down to what's Alberta going to look like at 10 million people? If we have a clear vision of Alberta at 10 million and we create financial self-control mechanisms and we've built strong languages across the country with freedom-minded folks, with Albertan spirit, a Canadian spirit. We have our best chance of having saved Canada,

and we'll be in a strong position to form the take out of ourselves and a piece of this country out of this country, should the retrenchment from the launch, and it be harsh enough that it warrants doing that in five or ten years. That's my opinion. Did you have one, I felt like he said six. Was there one more? Oh, that was the military one.

Military one. Yeah. Well, when it comes to what Alberta can do and your policy, I don't know, what's the word, suggestions or what you're putting forward? You know, like those, what you can, you know, when you can control the things you can control, I think all of it's great. Like I don't know about the green and white zones. I, you know, I guess I hadn't really thought much about it. But as far as like the FinTrack goes, controlling our banking, that makes a ton of sense to me. The putting things in Alberta's control makes a ton of sense and makes you a formidable foe if you're to go, we're at odds with part of the country.

You have to strengthen yourself if you're going to go. and do battle, right? Like, you have to have things in place so you can pull levers when they, for sure, do pull levers. You can't, you can't mess with these things and assume they'll just sit by idly and go, that's cute. Yeah, yeah. Just leave.

That's not a big deal. We don't care about Alberta. No, they do. I mean, it's, it's the western side of Canada allows for Canada to function. Yes. Yeah. They ultimately they want to see Calgary and Edmonton turn into little Vancouver's voting or Winnipegues or Rinnitus or Saskatoon's voting red and with more than half the population there and then the Alberta problem will probably go away. In the meantime, they'll I feel like the APP approach is walking into steel jaws. I'm somebody that signed up for APP and I thought about it hard and you know visiting you and Lloyd Minster. I'm like, how is it down going to work?

Got this brain process working. So, I mean, if I've had to write down, when you said you'd take the, when you said we would have this meeting, I had to, I have spent a lot of time having to write everything down because it's not something I normally deal with, right? And I wanted to be clear and, you know, succinct enough to the audience that they'd understand. Because, I mean, I deal with, I deal with corridors all the time. I deal with town planning all the time. I can just speak off the cuff.

But this is new for me, speaking to others about it. But I think it's important. I look at all these separatist movements that have failed or not failed. Tigray, you know, ArtSeclet we talked about, Somaliland, Catalonia, Scotland. The list goes on and on and on. And there are clear methods that central elite use to prevent stop and defang separatist movements. we are not aware of those and strategize around them. We're not going to be moving forward.

We're not going to be moving back. Because once you lose a referendum, they're going to push back really, really hard. I think there's definitely lessons from Quebec. I think that's where a Quebec-Alberta alliance at multiple levels would be valuable. But we also need to maintain, you know, the Quebec paraticism, and they're moved towards socialist totalitarianism, on an intram provincial scale that is also a warning sign you have been bentrow didn't go into those in great detail but for example i think most of the audience knows about this electric deal with

newfoundland where they built um below a power plant in labrador and the power would go through kebac to new york state and they agreed on a separation of profits but the contract only says the numerical amount it doesn't say a percentage so as inflation arise newfoundland ends up getting the short end of the stick because the value the dollar is worth like a tenth of what it was in the 1970s so newfoundland's getting pennies from it Quebec's getting billions a year from sale of Newfoundland power to to New York um we can't go down that path and Quebec needs to stop doing things like that but presenting ourselves as a credible alternative uh unconquered Canadians working for a common for common good there is a Canadian

spirit. I mean, I read, Matt Erich's book, and he met Erich's book, and he talks about Canada's basically, you know, Britain's answer to the United States. And I read that, and I go, oh, is everything I've been taught real? But I know there is a fundamental difference between Canadian and American culture. And what Canadians became, which may be by accident, is worth saving. And Albertans still have that spirit. And that's, so I mean. And there it is. Take it as you all. Before I lay out of here, you said we talked about all the ways that Laurentian elite or

others elites have defanged separatist movements. And I'm sure we've talked about it as a whole over the course of this. But if you were to just rattle off the however many points, this is how they're going to defang this. What would be your answer? They're going to use fifth generation warfare. Everything you saw on the trucker's convoy. But a lot more directed and it's not going to be controlled from Ottawa.

It's going to be controlled by the master house, wherever that is, whichever conspiracy theory you buy into. It's going to be propaganda. It's going to be propaganda in terms of that a burden independence folks are racists, misogynists, you know, native hater types too stupid to, to, to, you know, they're, you know, every negative cowboy stereotype you can think of. They're going to bring on lawfare at multiple scales in multiple ways.

That's another idea I had is naming and shaming judges of that aren't doing their, you know, aren't, aren't holding law and are just holding a political end. That's another thing that Alberta civil society can do. The problems can't do that, but the civil society can do that. So they're going to bring on law fair. What we saw at Coots, I still don't know what happened at Coots. I still don't know if these guys are guilty or not. And I'm like, this was six, six or seven years ago. That really bugs me.

Why are these guys being held for 500 days without charges? And if I ask a cop what actually happened, the cop says, I can't talk about it. What do you mean you can't talk about it? If they committed a crime or they didn't commit a crime? So you're telling me you're under orders not to talk about it. Really? That's kind of freaky. because when someone commits a crime and they're charged with the crime, you should be able to go.

That person was charged with crime X. It shouldn't take five years to find out what they are charged with. That is lawfare. The Senate is stacked against us. The federal judiciary is stacked against us. There's financial elements of fifth generation warfare. Debanking is the most extreme of them, but there's also lighter sides of it. Loans you can't get.

credit ratings that go down. It ties into the social credit scores that you see sometimes in China. These methods are now very well involved. Financial propaganda. IT security is quiet ways that can slow down your internet, make it difficult to work, monitor everything you do, taxation systems, more audits for those they don't like. Reassessments, excuse me.

things that slow you down, drag you down, you know, oh, we're going to check on your this permit or that permit, your business license. Things like that will happen, we'll go up skyrocket, then there's going to be the federal fundings are going to be tied to more and more things. The amount of control mechanisms we're going to see is going to go up and up and up. We need to retain. hour that Alberta momentum to prepare for that onslaught only by being prepared for that onslaught do you prevent the onslaught that makes sense you don't you don't attack an you don't attack an arm

I'm going to be careful here about using word armed prepared in no means am I supporting yes I'm going to say two things number one I'm in a happy marriage number two my family is very happy number three I am not suicidal number four um What was it? I, in no way am I in any way espousing any kind of illegal activity. I am saying what the reality on the ground is and what we as a group need to be thinking in terms of we are definitely entered major leagues. We have to recognize that.

They would prefer the plum, which is this moneymaker oil sands and forestry and of this province to just sit back and keep on producing the cash because then they don't have to face the real world. One other question for you that hasn't, that is not at a left field, but I brought it up earlier. And I'm just curious your thoughts. You know, a guy who wrote policy on getting away from digital counting of ballots to going back to like, we're going to count paper ballots. What are your thoughts on the Alberta wallet? this app that's going to store your health card.

And eventually, you know, they mentioned a whole bunch of other things that I assume would be eventually, you know, they talk about birth certificates and stuff like that. I assume a driver's license. I assume all the government issued documents. What is your thought on that? I'm not as worried about it as you'd think. I think the big difference is how often you need your driver's license. Okay.

So you get pulled over for speeding. you know, you have a good, you get a gash in your arm. You need to go to the emergency room. If somebody fakes that, then it's not going to take too long. There's almost so much. There's only so much you can get out of it. It's not like faking your bank account or getting access to your accounts or freezing your accounts.

It's going to be found out. And then the damage is going to be limited. Like you go to the hospital with a gash on your arm and they say, oh, somebody, you stole your health care card. Like you're not registered in the system while I am this person. Be like, oh, okay. Then they'll start doing an inquiry right there. What is the person who stole that going to do with that information?

Right. We're all being paid. Our medical bills are all paid by government anyway. So I'm not super concerned about it. I'm more of you that as just a convenience factor. There's nothing saying you still can't bring that card with you at all times. so I'm not freaked out about it. Interesting.

As a guy who stares at all the different things the Alberta government is doing and has done, I was just kind of curious your thoughts on it because convenience. So if I go back through the course of this show, in the middle of COVID, people talked about CBDCs. Yeah. Those freak me know. Digital ID. digital ID and climate lockdowns being the next iteration of COVID, if you would.

And so, you know, Nova Scotia, it took having Jeff Evely on to realize that they'd done climate lockdowns in 2023. Hadn't even heard of it. You know, I didn't even know that. And then he walks you through the story and you're like, oh, okay. But seeing climate lockdowns being happening in front of her eyes, I'm like, wow, that's something. Then to see a digital ID, a wallet get put in place, I'm like, am I worried about it right now as we sit here today in Alberta?

I don't know. That's convenience. I get the convenience. People are paying. I watch it every day now where people have their bank cards all on their phones. Boom. Done. Boom.

I worry about it when the next crisis, whatever that is happens. That could be 50 years from now. Right. That doesn't have to be tomorrow. But as you give government more oversight into everything, whether it was your paper or your digital, it's just the level of control they have in our lives. I think that's what makes me nervous about it. So I don't know if I'm saying that right in that I just look at, okay, middle of COVID,

a piece of paper. You could have had anything you wanted on that piece of paper. You could walk in anywhere and just show it and they were like, oh, yeah, because there was no like, is that real or not? And then what did they start talking about? A digital way to verify that it was true. Right. And so if it ever gets back to that level, this freaks, this terrifies me.

Because I don't want to go along with some of the things that government wants or the world elites want. And so if you get back to a place of COVID where you have to show X. And the only way to do that is electronically, how much harder will that be for society to function where you, you have the two groups. It was already hard in COVID. Now it just makes it, oh, it's all going to be digital. Well, it, to me, it's everything with the CBDC just in a different realm. It's a level of control that a government will have access to that they didn't have in the middle of COVID. No, fair point. Now, do I think Daniel Smith is, as long as you can, you can make choice, I want to carry, I'm not going to have a purse. Yeah, but that's the way it always starts. Yeah,

you're going to have a choice. Yeah, you can bring in your own card. But in 10 years, then they'll obsolete the card. Ah, nobody's using the card anymore. And they'll get rid of the cards. Now, everybody's got to be on it. And then another 10, right, you can just like, of course there's going to be choice. There was choice in the middle of COVID for Pete's sake. Oh, you don't have to get the shot. It's fine. And then we watched over the course of like eight months or went from you have a choice, there is no choice. If you do not abide by this. So when I watch this, I go, yeah, it's it's laid out is this convenience it's not a big deal what are you guys all worried about i'm like personally do i think daniel smith is going to all sudden bang slam the door shut no i think that's a no i do not

but i also don't put faith in government over the long course of time we watched it play out where we'll never have a health pass we'll never have this these um what was the word used in the middle of covid peter we'll never have the COVID pass, the shot pass, whatever the heck that was. I had to get like, I had to get like 20 of them to go to do anything through COVID. Right. And then it was in the course of months, everything changed for protection of society. We need to make sure that everybody's got their shots.

When I look at this, I go, oh no, I'm naive no more. I go, why do we not like, if we go back earlier in the conversation, why do we not like, a computer doing the vote counting. You laid it out quite well. It's like, why are we sticking to an old, some will say, inconvenient way of counting paper ballots because we can trust it. And it gets actually done quite efficiently.

Has anyone complained? I was just thinking about, you know, like when they go, oh, the paper, let's read it here. Alberta has launched Alberta Wallet app, a digital solution to replace a provinces, flimsy paper health cards. Yeah, some people go, why the heck do we have this? But have you been into a clinic lately where you don't have your card?

And they go, what's your name? And they look it up in the system. And it's all just sitting there anyways. Yes. The answer is yes. Right? Like, so what is this actually fixing? Like when I look at government, I go, the banking, we've seen that play out.

The FinTrack, what you're talking about. That idea holds weight for me. I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. I think there's a ton of us that are worried about banking, right? We've watched a ton of our friends or different people from across the country, guests of this show, have their bank accounts, like taken away from them. That's insane. For what?

And so I guess I just look at this and I go, was anybody crying out that our health cards need to be fixed? No. I don't hear, I haven't heard one person from on the show. Because I didn't know that. Like, when I go out, like, we've got five kids. right so often I'm going out with two or three kids so alone and I go I have to I check through my wallet I have to make sure in case something happens that I've got their medical cards because otherwise

they might not get metal treatment if something goes up I didn't know you can just look it up when you're there to me that's what I meant by digital wallet it's like or a digital identity it's like okay sure already there so yeah I agree with you now why do we need the the convenience I get I get the convenience I watch it all the time that's why I go a central bank digital currency that we're all like, oh, we don't want that. I'm like, it's almost inevitable. I watch people how they interact with money. And there's less and less paper.

There's less and less people wanting to deal with that. You drive through any drive-through and hand them cash. They're almost so stunned that you're giving them cash. How long until Tim Horton's or McDonald's are one of the big chains goes, we just no longer accept cash. It's not easy. Go to, isn't it, is it Rogers Place? I want to say it's Rogers place where you can't use cash.

Everything's digital now. And that's going to become more of a trend, not less of a trend. We're not fighting that back. So we're moving closer and closer to where a central bank digital currency makes sense. Not for what it actually is for how it interacts in society. Because people are getting away from money. Not this show. I'm sure tons of people are screaming at the radio right now going,

I use cash all the time. And then you are lovely human beings for it. But we're seeing it play out in society that everything is going digital. So when I hear all we're getting rid of the flimsy card, I'm like, okay. And then in the same breath, Peter will say, anything can be hacked. And they say, well, it won't be hacked and we'll never give out your personal information. I go, I think it can guarantee that. I'm just not sure what the results would be.

But fair enough. No, no, you've convinced me. When you told me about that thing, you can go with the hospital and they got the name already listed. I'm like, okay, fair enough. That's all I need. Well, as long as it needs access to services when it's needed. And maybe somebody from the healthcare will yell at me for saying that because of like, that's not true.

Okay, maybe it isn't true. But I've been to my clinic where we take the kids. And sometimes I don't have all the cards because I'm running a kid in with X. And my wife has the cards. Yeah, exactly. And you just, who is it? And they type it in. You're telling me that isn't, you know, when you go to the border and I say who I am,

there isn't this laundry list of Sean Newman, how many times? come across and all the information that isn't already sitting there that is already sitting there absolutely they already know so much about me it's it's insane not even take the show out of the the mix just my interactions in society today with a driver's license with with a passport all the things i i totally i just know you you convince me i mean i think this also adds to the argument why we need to get rid of income tax besides the fact that it creates this massive cash cow that the governments can using abuse without real credibility, not credibility. What's the word?

Accountability, because it's just a massive source of cash. I was supposed to pay for World War I 125 years ago. But I don't know about you, but I have my own business. When I do my taxes, I'm keeping receipts of my, you know, taking coffee out with a potential business partner, you know, business trips. Like when I present, you know, when I do my taxes, if they do a reassessment,

they want the receipts. They are tracking me day by day. They can audit every single move I did. Like, is this, what is the point of this? You guys can get a few thousand bucks a year and then spend it on who knows what? Yeah, no, we have to get rid of income tax as well. And I think the province of Alberta should, I think it should be part of our, of our, of our mode is somehow figuring out a way to get rid of income tax. I think it's important as well.

But yeah, no, you convince me because I didn't know about the, the, the, the, the, the, the, have a database that you can access. And I'm sure I have health care professionals listening right now. And they'll say when you go into a hospital, you need to have your health card. And they're probably right. I just know from the clinic we go to, I don't have the cards because my wife has them. Because we don't print off multiple copies. We're guys.

You're like, oh, yeah, Casey. And he's in for this. Oh, okay. And okay, grab a seat. I'm like, okay, so what do I need to have that all standardized on a phone? Like, if you're going on a big trip, you already pack all this stuff anyway. So convenience-wise, having on that, okay, less stuff to carry and less things to go missing. For sure, convenience, I get it.

But COVID has beat out of me all this naivity that it won't be sometime down in the future used for nefarious purposes. I'm done with that train of thought. I'm just done with it. I was, if we're going to, if we're going to fight, and I mean fight, once again,

I'll reiterate what you said. I don't mean in the physical sense, but if we're actually going to play this game of trying to do better here in Alberta and anywhere else in Canada, for that matter, the forces that are going to come against us are not playing by the rules

and are going to use everything and anything they can do. And the more we digitize that, the more control and access they have on us. It's just, I don't know. COVID has, has forever created cynicism in me. I'm still an eternal optimist. I still see a ton of hope out of ideas that you're talking about today. I think there's a ton of hope of bringing Canadians together, Albertans together. I just, when I read things like that, you know, about the Alberta wallet, I just, I'm like, oh, that's going the wrong direction. I don't think that world is going to be better. Maybe I'm wrong. I can be wrong, folks. I have been wrong and I've been proven wrong. on here an awful lot. I have as well. You convince me. I think we're in a more prepared situation if we stay with our paper IDs and our health cards and stuff. And I'm not, as you said, I'm not espousing, not bringing your paper health card with you when you go. Because maybe there's

Well, you can opt in. Right now, as it sits, you can opt in. opt in. Nobody's forcing us to get this Alberta wallet. I want to make sure I reiterate this over and over again. Nobody's forcing you. So there will be adoption. And I can just see where in 10 years you go, yeah, we've just, it's too much money to create a driver's license. We're just going to do it online. And a whole, right, and I'll hold $6 to mail because that's probably the kind of post rate. Yes. And you just go down and down and down. There will be a case made where you just obsolete it. I could, you know, whether that's in a year or 20 years, sometime in my lifetime, they're just going to say, it's way too much money to do that. I mean, heck, they got rid of the penny for Pete's

sake, right? I mean, like, it's just, no, but let's get, nobody uses that penny. Nobody needs that. Right. Okay. Rant over. Peter, I appreciate you. Come on doing this. And, uh, thanks for having me on. Well, we look forward to run into the next time. I'm sure there will be a, time here in the future where we get to chat about some more of this. Sounds good. Take care. Thanks.