Shaun Newman Podcast - #911 - Jeff Evely

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Jeff Evely is a retired Master Warrant Officer of the Canadian Armed Forces with over 20 years of service, including deployments in Afghanistan (2009), Iraq (2019), and NORAD operations (2010-2014). In August 2025, Evely gained national attention for violating Nova Scotia's wildfire-related ban on entering wooded areas to challenge it in court, resulting in a $28,872.50 fine under the province's Forests Act.To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] Money SummitWebsite: ExpatMoneySummit.com

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sake. Oh boy. Yes, good old YouTube. All right. That's all I got for you today. Let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is a retired master warrant officer of the Canadian Armed Forces with over 20 years of service. I'm talking about Jeff Evely. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Jeff Evely. Sir, thanks for hopping back on. Yeah, thanks for having me again, Sean. Appreciate it. Well, as I keep reiterating to you, um, you know, Normally, on this side, I find different Canadians. I bring them on for a one-on-one so people can figure out who they are. And then you're tied up in the fine and everything else out Nova Scotia.

But I was just like, I don't know, impressed with how calm you were about the entire situation and everything else. I was like, I got to bring this guy on. I want to hear a bit more about yourself. I think by this time my audience knows who you are. but before you ever get to things going on today, like I was just wondering if you'd tell us a bit about Jeff and then we can obviously branch off into a thousand different ways. Like I know you served in the military and everything else,

but I was just hoping you'd tell us a little bit about yourself. Yeah, I guess I can do that. And honestly, I guess full disclosure, I'd get a little bit uncomfortable when I start talking about myself because I hear other people do it and I'm just like, oh, gross. But I'm, I mean, I mean, I did 20 years in the Canadian Armed Forces. Well, first of all, I guess, you know, I grew up here in Nova Scotia, Cape Breton Island.

You know, I did some cadets when I was really young and mostly worked a lot of different jobs, like part-time and full-time jobs when I was in high school. So kind of developed a pretty strong work ethic when I was really young. I did, you know, full-time back-shift hours. midnight to 8 o'clock and drove myself to high school. And I went and did an electronics program at the community college here. And when I was done with that, I joined the Canadian Air Forces as an electronic specialist in 2001, eight months before 9-11 and eight years after the Somali affair. I started off as an electronic specialist. And let's see, I did Afghanistan.

in 2009, 2010 to 2014. I was down in the U.S. working with NORAD. In 2019, I did a tour to Iraq. I guess, you know, I always kind of stayed active in the community, wherever I went, did about 12 years coaching sports, boxing, mixed martial arts, junior girls cheerleading softball. And, yeah, that's. And I did the last three years of my career.

I was at National Defense Headquarters in Ottawa, and I helped homeless veterans off the streets of our nation's capital while I was there. I retired. I was medically released in September of 2021, just in time to get banned from society when I took possession of my retirement home here in my hometown of Sydney, Nova Scotia. And at that time, let's see, like the Legion refused me service just down the street from my house. And I bought a Legion hat that said, Lest we forget. I crossed out the Lest with a black permanent marker because we forget.

We forget that these rights and these freedoms are the legacy of our fallen. And, you know, it's a profound betrayal, I think, of every veteran who has ever served. especially John McCrae, who said, take up our quarrel with the foe to you from failing hands we throw. If the torch be yours, so hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die, we shall not rest. The poppies grow in Flandersfield. So, yeah, the Legion broke faith with those who died.

And so I started wearing my Legion hat with the less crossed out. While I was getting arrested for shopping without my mask on here in Nova Scotia, I mounted my own charter defenses to those cases and nobody showed up in court, so the charges were thrown out. And I went to the trucker convoy when I saw that firing up. I got arrested there. Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom stepped in to provide my legal defense. I probably must be the only veteran in Canadian history to be banned from Canada's National War Monument for two and a half years, while, you know, those legal proceedings were underway.

And I went to Rolling Thunder. I was a speaker and sergeant major on parade there. I was a co-organizer for the One Million March for Children nationally. Ran as a PPC candidate in the 2025 federal election. And, you know, when they brought in the woods ban, I went into the woods. So, you know, just a busy guy, I guess, doing the best I can to be a good human. And this is where it's led me. If I go back to, you know, when you first entered military, was that something that was like always on your mind?

Was that a family, you know, thing that happened? Or what drew you to going into military service? My great-grandfather was a Second World War veteran. I think everybody's wives, their grandfather or a great-grandfather. So I guess there was that heritage there. I don't think that it was really strong in my family. It wasn't particularly strong in my family, but I guess, you know, I was looking at my prospects, having

graduated high school in the late 90s, there really wasn't a whole lot of opportunity available for my generation at that time. And I had a few different job offers that I was kind of entertaining at the time, but it was either like, you know, you can work a desk or you can be a coveralls and lunchbox kind of guy. And when I just happened to be kind of going by the recruiting center while I was shopping around for jobs, I thought, you know, this could be, something that I would be interested in, a little bit more exciting. And I grew up listening to those GI generation types, you know, telling me that I didn't know how good I had it and I didn't understand what people

had really been through to provide me with the life that I had. But at some point in my life, and it was going to be my turn to rise up. I thought they were kind of crazy. But I was a big fan of like, or, Well and Hemingway when I was in high school. I didn't enjoy school very much, but there were a couple of books that impacted me. You know, Animal Farm, 1984, an old man in the sea. And I always kind of, I was always very curious as to where these guys got these great insights.

And I understood that Orwell and Hemingway were World War I veterans. I didn't quite understand what they were trying to say fully, but it seemed like they were on to something, and I wanted to maybe to gain that understanding somehow. So that's what I did is I signed up to serve in the military. So maybe I could get the exposure that those guys got that led them to these great insights. And, you know, I do think that I managed to accomplish that.

there was perhaps a more anthropological component to my military mission, my personal mission. But, yeah, I was just kind of a careful observer all throughout, a human nature. And, you know, I saw what things were like overseas and I saw what things were like in the Canadian military, which has been notoriously scandal plagued for about 30 years now. And I think I did gain those insights. And so now I'm trying to do something about it to improve the loss for humanity and hopefully leave something better for the next generation. You know, you rattled off, I enjoy a good book.

And you rattled off pretty much like a reading list that every Canadian, probably everyone on the planet should delve into. But you rattled one that I'm like, hmm, I don't know, I've heard that old man in the sea. What's old man in the sea? Oh, that was a Hemingway book. It was a sign reading in high school. And the old man in the sea was, he's a fisherman. He's an old fisherman who was kind of past his heyday and looking for one last Marlin to really cash in.

And there's a kind of, well, the sea is kind of a metaphor for chaos and how he's, you know, swimming in the sea of chaos. And he's trying to bring some order to it. It's man against nature, man versus nature and this kind of thing. And it has a lot to do with the kind of like indomitable human spirit. So like, you know, the struggle, the ongoing struggle, this kind of thing. So it was pretty engaging, I thought. And another one of these books that I wish they would, they would provide more options, especially for young boys because, you know, a lot of the assigned reading that I had in high school,

it just really did not appeal to me at all. But I found that Hemingway and Orwell really did. So, and I think it kind of speaks to just how disinterested that our educators really are and appealing to boys in the schools these days. It's more about, you know, you need to sit down and be quiet. No young boy is going to be able to do that. So I had a lot of trouble. but if you put the right book in front of me, then, then, you know, I would be really interested.

And then my teachers would be looking at my test going like, you actually read that book. And I was like, yeah, because I was actually interested in it. But maybe to kill a mockingbird and Harper Lee, I thought was a little bit too painful for me. I never really got through it. But some of the other ones like The Crucible, the Old Man in the C, 1984, and Bravely. new world. So that kind of stuff I found to be, like there's, there's something there's something to it. And, and I wanted to understand it. Yeah, I remember, I remember, um, you know, like, um, reading all these, as you've rattled off all these different books and, and, and having a similar thought. Because,

you know, I think you said, uh, you know, you ran them and you're like, how did they get, you know, like that worldview and a lot of them observed. And, um, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I guess sitting where I sit, I'd take a similar thought process of like, how the heck could he write something like 1984? Like what a wild thing to have written back then? And how did he pull that off?

And then you start looking at a ton of these people. Ayn Rand had been one that, you know, I'd read Atlas Shrugged and I'm like, man, like we're living that right now. Like this is insane. And you start to see like, at least, and this is maybe I'm being very simplistic on it, but I'm like, oh, they all tried.

sounding the warning bell, nobody listened. Then they tried writing about what was going on in society. Nobody listened. So then they created a fictional world that isn't that fictional. And all of a sudden, they become these classic novels that everybody reads because it's not actually happening right now. It's just this far off world that's happening.

And yet that's, to me, that seems to be a trend in it as well. They wrote a story that was not true. And yet it's honestly a commentary on society, like a big time. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess I'm not a big fiction reader, you know, but those books, like I read Atlas Shrugged and the Fountainhead, which may actually be a better book than. Yeah, I read the Fountainhead as well, yeah. Yeah, it's a great book. And another great one is Anthem, a short but epic read.

And I think, well, I think what they're doing, is they're essentially observing current trends. A lot of what Orwell observed would have been, you know, in the wake of World War I and leading back into World War II. We can see the same kinds of trends where there's like those guys who went to World War I, all their service and sacrifice was utterly wasted, just like mine has been with Afghanistan. And their leaders just were incapable of diplomacy

see and doubled down every step of the way until they led them right back into war. It's kind of what we see happening right now. You know, it is World War III. It's just that it has a very different look and feel than previous wars. The kinetic component really hasn't kicked in. Hopefully it doesn't. But on every other front, like we are fighting a war, whether it's economic, whether it's migration, whether it's, you know, the cyber war or the cultural war.

like every other front, but the connectic one, it seems like we are, we are at war. And in the case of these various authors, I think what they were doing is they were observing the trends of their day and they were forecasting, like if current trends continue along this line, this is what you're going to see. This is, Orwell in particular, was writing like 50 years hence. Like if current trends continues, this is what, this is what it's going to look like in Britain 50 years. The trends didn't continue. They swung back the other way because there is a kind of cyclical nature to history that I think they failed to account for. They assumed a linear

trajectory when in fact we know that there is a kind of cyclical nature to history, to human history at least. And the fiction component of it, I think, is what really appeals to the broader audience. I like the non-fiction stuff and I like to dig into things kind of clinically, but I do see this value in in capturing these lessons and conveying these truths through fiction because the way that we learn is really more emotional, like especially like for the average person, it's more about this emotional impression that that you make. And that's why great speakers, I think, are so effective is because they can do that. They can they can kind of bring that clinical truth together with this emotional impact that together can evolve together really

leave that impression, that lasting impression on people. So with Orwell, with, you know, whether it was Animal Farm or 1984, I think he was really good at, well, he said 1984 was satire. It's actually like extremely exaggerated. It's quite hyperbolic in terms of you know, compared to what he was really observing and during his day and what he wrote about. So it's very exaggerated. And I think that the purpose of that is to really kind of leave that impression so that when we start to observe these trends in our own society, like emotionally, we'll feel it first. And our emotions are our instincts. So it's an attempt to kind of train our instincts to be vigil. against this creeping totalitarianism.

And I think we see that elsewhere, like throughout our literature as well. Like we even with, you know, like Revelations, for example. I think that's basically kind of the book of revelation is basically kind of the orwell of its day. And it's mostly, again, just kind of observing the trends of their day, forecasting what that will look like at some point in the future if they continue along a linear path. and there's a lot of metaphor and hyperbole and poetic devices that are invoked for the purpose of, you know, creating that emotional experience that allows people to be vigilant against that creeping totalitarianism when it's when it's their turn to rise. You talk about, I've always interested in a military guy's perspective on, you said essentially it is World War III. just the kinetic part isn't, you know, hit our shores, right? Like, I mean, obviously there's kinetic parts going on throughout the world,

specifically Ukraine and now in the Middle East, right? There's different parts where things have really popped off kinetically. When you look at World War III and you see how it's playing out economics, like the cyber component of it or just the ways it's played out in social media, and now the immigration hitting everybody's shores. I don't know, as a retired military guy, like, you're sitting around. Like, what do you tell people? Like, what do you, like, is there things for people to do?

Or it's just like, oh, just hold on and see where the government takes us. Yeah, there are things that people should do to, you know, protect themselves to be more self-sufficient, basically. Like, we're not going to be able to rely on the systems. that we depend on for the next few years. I would expect, you know, rolling blackouts, a failure of the security states. We're already seeing, like, anarcho-capitalism taking hold here in Canada. I think the news this morning was that, you know, they canceled the tennis match in Halifax

between Team Canada and Israel over security concerns. That is the exact wrong thing to do, of course. Like, we don't give in to terrorists like we have been with these hamassholes taken over our streets. That should be shut down as a matter of security. Like the whole purpose of a security establishment is to secure our rights and freedoms. Our way of life. And as you can see, our way of life is crumbling under the weight of this terrorism because our public officials are gutless. And so, so yeah, I would, I would expect that, like, if people want to protect themselves,

then they should focus on becoming more self-reliant, prepare for things like rolling blackouts, sources of heat, food, food insecurity. It's not going to last forever, but the, I think, in terms of, like, even our political action, the attitude should be to mitigate the damage between, now and the foreseeable end, which I would say was about 2030 to 2032. I would expect to see things kind of go back on the upswing then. But right now, it's going to get worse before it gets better. I mentioned that cycle of history there previously, and it's been 81 years since D-Day. 81 years before that was Gettysburg. 82 years before that was the Colonial Triumph at Yorktown.

the climactic battle in the American Revolution. So we're right on time for a climax in World War III because, like, really, it started about 2020 and with the release of COVID. And this is the year that we should expect to see the climax. So I would think that things are going to get really rough for the next few years. But once they tank within the next year,

once the economy really tanks, things will kind of level off and start to climb back up. And then once we get into the early 2030s, we should be, we should be, you know, powering onwards and things will go back on the off swing. As long as there's still something to save. That's why I say the attitude right now should be to mitigate the damage between now and 2030. I don't know what's more unnerving, honestly. the the the the the just the calm in the way you say that or the fact you know like things are getting it worse i mean i don't think this is any shock to anyone listen to the show i've had lots of different

people on here talking about the next few years it's going to get worse um i don't know if i've ever well no there's some guys you come on here that are pretty calm but you're pretty calm about it well um you know like like worrying never does like a good for anybody and um The ticket, I always, I've been borrowing a phrase from that movie, Generation Kill, where the guy's always saying stay frosty, stay frosty guys. Like, it really is like that, you know, when you're in a war zone, soldiers, I say the only thing blacker than Carney's heart is a soldier's humor. And, and yeah, when you're in a war zone, like the jokes get really dark and really inappropriate. but they're adjusting to their circumstances, right? The humor is a coping strategy for humans.

That's the lesson. That was the first lesson I took in Afghanistan because it was a bit of a shock when I first stepped off the plane and I heard the things that were flying out of people's mouths. But then you realize that it's all very tongue-in-cheek. Like there's not an ounce of hatred or aggression or anything like that. It's just that, you know, that they've adjusted to their circumstances. And I knew guys that had problems when they came back to Canada. And they started reflecting on the kinds of things that were they were saying while they were in theater and they're saying, what kind of a monster must I really be if I would say something like that.

And I tell them, like, you're just a human, man. Like, you didn't, jokes don't actually harm anybody. You didn't do any harm. And you did what you had to do. Get through the war with your psyche intact. So it's a net good. And I, so I find that it is, well, it's not that I find that. that it is, but it is the emotions that will lead you astray.

You know, that is, they're analyzed damnation. So we should, as Iron Rand says, when you have a choice between following your heart and following your mind, you should follow your mind. Because we have a mind. Every beast on the planet has an earth, and we are the only ones with a mind. So it would be, you know, it would be such a waste of human potential to. to simply engage in that kind of beastly behavior when you have a much better option available to you.

And I'm a practicing Stoic. I found Stoicism and philosophy a little bit after I found I and ran. But I practice meditation on the daily and I read Marcus Aurelius on the daily as well. And that's what I take from the meditations of Marcus Aurelius is that his struggles are my struggles. He's one of the greatest men in all of history, the last good emperor of Rome. And what's he doing? But coaching himself in the morning that, you know, his fears, his anxieties are my fears and my anxieties.

It's all just part of the human condition. It's part of being a man. And it's a matter of, you know, taming the passions. The emotions are something to be managed, not indulged. And, you know, we, you can't. can't be emotional and rational at the same time. And if we're really going to solve these problems, if we're going to survive this thing, then, you know, we need to think our way through these problems very carefully.

So I just try to eschew the passions as much as I can and engage brain when we're going to battle because that's how we win. one other than on on uh you said worse it's going to get worse and i'm always curious what worse means in your mind um well the pendulum is swinging back but it doesn't happen all at once it's kind of like things really need to head home for people before you see the the pendulum start to come back in the other direction um so we are seeing that like say for example when it comes firearms and self-defense. Like it was just five minutes ago. They were pursuing the disarmament agenda to make sure that nobody was allowed to have

any firearms or whatever here in Canada. But now we have mainstream politicians going around talking about Castle Doctrine. So this crime wave is really hitting home. The spike in murders and home invasions, like it's affecting people's lives. It's right there in their homes. So now we're starting to see the pendulum swing back. that's good. We're seeing that on other fronts as well, but we have not seen it on the economic front just yet. And Kearney is so conflicted as to, you know, he is going to benefit from the demise of

Canada, just the way his portfolio is set up, or he's invested in foreign oil, but not our oil, and he's invested in green tech with China. You know, so he's going to make tons of cash off the green tech, he's going to make cash off the foreign oil, and he's going to make cash off the housing supplied by Brookfields with all these modular housing programs. And all of the harbingers of the coming collapse are there. Everything's kind of coalescing together, whether it's the builders who can't build because the supplies are too expensive, building materials, that is, are too expensive. A lot of people took fresh mortgages in 2020. in the pandemic. They're coming up for renewal as interest rates are up. We're seeing that they're

trying to sell these homes and they're constantly having to lower their price and they're still not getting buyers because we're in the middle of an affordability crisis as well. So I think a lot of people are going to be facing foreclosure, walking away from their homes. We have the affordability crisis that's going to prevent a recovery immediately. So that's all going to crash. It's, you know, The economy, I think, is going to tank really hard. And we're, you know, the whole thing is all these different factors are confluencing together in a way that spells catastrophe in our economy. And once that hits home, then perhaps, you know, we'll get back to spending money on wildfire

prevention instead of windmills in Nova Scotia. So a lot of these misguided boondoggles that the that our governments have been engaged in that are clearly you know vanity projects, a luxury of you know an affluent country. Once the affluence goes away, I think we're going to get back to reality and start funding real programs again and and just get back to being a serious First World Nation. Yeah, because these days, I mean, you know, the thing that I guess bothers me is you have Kearney at least for three more years, right? I mean, I, do we foresee anything?

You're giving me the head shake. Do you foresee him getting out in the next couple of years? Yeah, I don't think he's going to last for four years. I think another election could come at any time. And when it does, somebody better pass a law fixing election dates because this, this is Game of Thrones level stuff that we've been living through for the last 10 years. It should not be allowed. So, so yeah, I think that. That is a great comparison, by the way.

That's what we've been living. Isn't it? Like, I mean, you're watching and you're like, this is literally like, holy crap. You know, like you just find a way to finally eke it out to. to, okay, we're having an election. And then Carney comes swinging in, elbows up. And you're like, you gotta be kidding me. You gotta be kidding me.

And yet here we are again. And I just, I'm watching this. And I'm like, I want the, you know, you want, like when we talk about things getting worse, I can see the next three years of how they just continually get worse. I just don't see the time where it starts to get better. The politicians talking Castle law is very interesting, right? as a police chief says, just comply, right? Like, it's all in the same, and you're like,

this is like what? Just comply with a crossbow coming in my house? Or, you know, like the rape of the three-year-old, you're like, you can't, you can't. Like, these are horrific things. I'm not trying to make, I'm not trying to make fun of them. It's just like, on one hand, you have, oh, yeah, they're starting to talk about Castle law,

as Doug Ford also dumps out a full bottle of Crown Royal. And you watch that and you're like, like, these people are unhinged. at this point. Like, can we just get a clear path that we all want, which I think a ton of us do, it's just like we need to protect ourselves. We can't have people breaking in our house. And then the police chief comes out and says, just comply. You're like, all these things are so conflicting. And yet this is where Ken does that. It's irrational. And as you can see from Slug Ford, pouring out the Crown Royal, like he's a very emotive man. He, you know, I, uh, I am the master.

of my emotions and not the other way around. Doug Ford cannot say the same thing. He is very easily driven to like this emotional incontinence that leads him to bad decision making. Like he just reacts emotionally instead of responding intelligently. So it's a mixed bag. Like sometimes you will get something good out of him like the castle doctrine stuff. I don't think he's a arriving there rationally. I think it's more emotionally. So, you know, whether whether it's hit or miss is anybody's guess. So the whole response, the whole effort across the board is completely incoherent because you cannot be emotional and rational at the same time. And the people that we have in charge right now are just highly emotive people. So it is what it is. There's going to have

to be some attrition, generational changeover in terms of leadership in this country, because this generational leadership is failing utterly, is failing the rest of us completely. When you came back from your time overseas and you entered back into, I don't know, everyday life of being back on Canadian soil, was that an easy change or were you staring at things going like, that's odd? That's odd. I mean, like, COVID is on steroids. Wildfire bans of not walking in the woods is on steroids. Before you ever get to those things, were there things that were sticking out to you when you first came home?

You're like, this is, what are people doing? So when I went to Afghanistan, I really mean, like, I was looking for that experience. I was trying to gain those insights that those guys. I was inspired to do that by, you know, Orwell and Hemingway and those guys. But this is what I did. I went to Afghanistan. I had, I reread 1984. I reread Animal Farm, like while I was there.

I read another Orwell book there. Was it, I forget which one it was now. But anyway, I read profusely, right? Like every minute that I had kind of to spare, I was trying to catch it. I read The Truth About Muhammad by Robert Spencer. I read Nomad by Ian Herssey Ali because I was trying to understand Islam and what we're really up against there. So, and yeah, I get a lot of insights through that. But when I came back, I think before I even came back, like I did a photo album from around the camp.

And I think it was something like, it was a 1984 theme anyway, because I was looking around going, I'm like, look at this. This is a little bit crazy. And it was at that time, right around 2010, that I started saying that political correctness is the newspeak that Orwell warned us about. And I've just been watching it ever since metastasize into this full-blown wokeness where I'm like, yes, this is what's happening. We're headed in that direction again. And I've been sounding the alarm about it for 15 years and getting called.

crazy by all of my smart friends. But every time I get to get together with my smart friends again, no, I'm in my 40s. So it's like maybe once a year, every other year I get together with friends. But whenever I would get together with them again, I'd be like, remember how you guys were saying I was crazy for pointing this out? Well, this trend has gotten worse. Every time we get together over the years, all of these concerns that I've been raising keep getting worse.

And they'll say, oh, no, you're paranoid. and blah, blah, blah. So I think I'm going to write a creepy book someday like Orwell did. Right now I'm a little busy, kind of fighting to liberate Canada. But certainly we have not taken the lessons of history, and maybe we just need one more book, I hope. Well, we're doomed to repeat. isn't it?

Has there been a civilization that just like follows history? Oh, we're never making that mistake again. Because it, as to use the word used, like it metastasizes in different ways, right? Can you ever imagine Marcus Aurelius sitting there going, we're going to argue about man and woman, right?

Like, what defines that? And whether or not a man can identify as a woman, right? I mean, like, the guy who went in, and rape the three-year-old and i the entire sentence just drives me nuts i know is trying to get in the women's prison they just it just continues on you're like what like honestly i i've never

been a big person on on on the death penalty but i hear that story and i'm like it's time for that to come back and just be done with it like you just can't have this story continue on this is horrific this is beyond horrific Yeah, I mean, I personally don't believe in the death penalty. I don't want to give the state the power to kill me because look at them. They're totally incompetent. True. Yeah, and remember the Innocence Project from the 90s where DNA evidence became admissible

and they found that one in eight guys sitting on death row after having exhausted the entire appeals process were actually innocent. So they were killing innocent men one out of eight times. So, yeah, I wouldn't go that route, but I would like to see him spend a long natural life in a deep dark hole in the Arctic working for his toilet paper. But, you know, I think that's preferable, quite frankly. And, and, you know, if we make a mistake, then at least we can send the guy on his way and give him some compensation for ruinous life. But, you know, when you kill somebody, there's no coming back. So that's the main reason. And is government ineptitude that really is, you know, I can't get all the way there because of

government and aptitude? But that's an interesting point. I do think that Marcus Aurelius did struggle through similar trends because one of the things that he mentions in book one where he's just kind of talking about all the different people in his life and how they influenced him. He mentions his adopted father, the emperor. and he commends him for putting an end to the pursuit of boys. So this was something that was something he observed during his time as well,

this surge in pedophilia. And Aldous Huxley was, you know, he was accused of being some kind of a sicko in his day because the children in Brave New World are forced to engage in erotic play at school. Sound familiar? So I do think that this is something that we've been struggling with for a long, long time. But now we're going through one of these crisis eras in the full light of modern statistics. So we're going to have an awful lot of reliable data. We're going to have more insights, keener, deeper insights than we've ever had before.

And, you know, I think that if we're ever going to be positioned to prevent, this from happening again, it is now. And I can already tell you what it is. It has everything to do with how we raise children. You know, the generational cycle that I mentioned there, where we have about 81, 82 years between climaxes. That comes from Strauss-How generational theory and the fourth turning. If you haven't read that, you should definitely read it. The fourth turning is here. It just came out in 2021. So that was Neil Howe's third book. He predicted, in 1991 that a crisis, a major crisis with threatened civilization in the year 2020 plus or minus two years. He also predicted the 2008 stock collapse.

So he's been bang on, and the culture wars, all of this stuff, it was all there in generations in 1991. So to my mind is his theory, Straussera generational theory is valid. And it says that we're caught in this four generational cycle of, you know, total war collapse. and rebirth. And what always happens is the generation that surmounts the major crisis that saves civilization. In the wake of the crisis, they have a population boom. They have a ton of kids, so baby boomers. And then they raise those kids as indulged because they're kind of the special and perfect little darlings of the new dawn of the Enlightenment. And they're the new hope for the future and you know you guys are going to be the ones to really take it all the way and um you

you have a kind of beaver cleaver upbringing where we can't have old ward going too hard on jane cleaver's little beaver and um so they they come of age as self-righteous narcissist process prosecuting a new spiritual awakening in in srow south generation the terminology that they use in the theory um and what you always see when they're coming of age is riots, like the original summer of love, Black Panthers, third wave feminism, this kind of thing. And prior to that, you can go back four generations before that, and you'll see the same patterns.

And so they come of age as self-righteous narcissist. They eventually kind of mellow into reclusive midlifers, only to reemerge as what they call the gray champion in Strauss-Hau generational theory. And the great champion, you see in every great human saga, every story of the human saga, whether it's, you know, Lord of the Rings, it would be Gandalf. In Star Wars, it would be Obi-Wan. In, you know, there's in the Marvel comics, I guess, Odin, Odin, it's Norse, it's Norse folklore, I guess, but Odin would be the gray champion where Thor is the young hero. there's always a gray champion and a young hero.

So it's Obi-Wan and Luke in Star Wars. It's Odin and Thor and so on and so forth. In 1984 it's O'Brien who tortures Winston

at the end of the novel and the young hero is Julia. She's kind of the pure and civic-minded one in the Garden of Eden. It's, it's, what's his name now? Yahweh in the Garden of Eden is the gray champion, the young hero being the Adam and Eve. And there's a third character there. It's the midlife nomad.

So in Star Wars, it's Luke, or sorry, not Luke's Howard, but it's Han Solo in Star Wars. And I think the serpent character in the Garden of Eden. And what happens in Star Wars, for example, is basically when Han Solo is the oldest man left standing, that's when the crisis ends. That's what happens at the end of Return of the Jedi is Han Solo is the oldest man left standing. So once Generation X, the nomad generational archetype, displaces the boomer generation, which is the profit generational archetype that becomes the gray champion in their early adulthood. Once Gen X displaces the former generation from peak institutional power, the crisis is over. Another factor there is Gen Z is going to age fully into the electorate. And as we can see, they're already polling as the most conservative generation for their age in Canadian history.

So they're not going to be putting up with this progressive nonsense anymore after how utterly abused they have been their entire lives. So that's why the pendulum swings. It's generational. It has to do with how everybody is raised, and we're all raised in different eras. It has to do with our age location in history relative to the previous crisis. So the first generation born after World War II would be the profit generational archetype. The second generation, which is Gen X. That's the Nomad generational archetype, so Han Solo.

And the third generation born after would be the millennials. and that's the Luke Skywalker character. And then the fourth one would be the artist archetype. But you don't really see the artist as much in these great sagas because they're in childhood. So they don't really make up the main characters in the epic saga. But that's what it is. And demographically speaking,

they initially forecasted that the transition would take place between 2026 and 2030. Now that Neil Howe has come out with his new book, the fourth turning is here. He's saying that it's probably going to take a little bit longer than that because there's just so much wealth concentrated in the boomer generation. They are the richest, most powerful generation in the history of humanity. So it might take until about 2022 or 2032, 233 before we really kind of... Well, when you say 2032, I don't know if you've ever heard of a man named Martin Armstrong. He, Armstrong economics, he's got Socrates as his computer.

system and he's been talking about 2032 well since I started following them but somebody here on this show will text me because they you know he he's become um he's just become a a guy that I talked to on regularly came to the the conference uh in in May this year and he's been talking about 2032 and the first time now now I don't know if this is more I guess a bit of growth on my because when I first started in 2020, listening to Michael Campbell's conference and this Martin Armstrong character came out, and he started talking like,

this guy is insane. What is he talking about? He's talking about 2032? Like, 232, we're 12 years away from that. Why is he talking about that? And then, you know, you start to dig into all these different things, and you go, oh. And I keep hearing 2032 over and over and over again.

It's from multiple sources now that this number keeps coming up, this year, right around the trends, the pattern. And once you start recognizing the pattern and the trend of how things are going, you start to say, oh, man, you know, like the next few years are going to be interesting. And I guess, you know, having a military background, I, and maybe you'll, you'll, um, have a different thought. But all the guys at the interview that have served, you know, they're trained to recognize pattern in a, in a hostile territory.

That's basically what saves life or saves your life or your life or your team's life. And so coming home and recognizing the patterns going on in society is pretty much ingrained in you. Yeah. And there's the emotional experience as well. And that is, I mean, this is how propaganda works. It conditions your emotions. Your emotions are kind of like the impression machine for, for the ego. Like that's, that's what leaves impressions on you. the trauma even is you know that that sticks with you and when I went to the convoy I was I was one of the veterans at the monument there I ran the shift schedule actually while we were doing the century duty after we took down the fence that Jim Watson had directed to use the unnamed

soldier's body as a prop to smear as political opponents but that's what everybody said is we were all saying like we feel like we're in a war zone. You know, it feels like like a civil war, like all of these kind of social harbingers, these attitudes. It's all too familiar. It feels like Balkanization. It feels like civil war. So that's what else are we supposed to do now that we're veterans? I think we've been sending young men off to the boundaries of the empire since time. in Memorial to let them stare into the abyss, let it stare back a little bit and change a little piece inside of them so they can carry that evil around with them. So they may come to recognize it as they in their own society as they grow wise with age. So that's what I think

kind of our job is now, standing on guard for thee, is to call it out when we see it. Like these are the same kinds of trends that we observe overseas. So, and now they're home. Yeah, well, one of the, one of the things of talking with you today and talking with other military men is you have, um, unique experience in the world and to come back and share that with us, right? Because I, you know, like I always tell every military guy, I never, I never served. I got to play hockey and I got to play hockey a lot.

And there's a lot of similarities in the two, but, but not the, the death. part, right? Not the like taking lives or having lives taken. And to come back and and share that with the audience myself is really important, right? Because people look for, why do you read a book? You're looking for something. And when you have somebody come back from the other side to share their thoughts and concerns on what's happening in society, like it's really, really important. I tend to agree. And that was kind of the point. Like I said before, there was. this kind of anthropological component to my own personal mission in pursuing a career in the military because I wanted to gain those insights. I was I was really intrigued by what my forefathers had done,

you know, with their experience at war. And so I wanted to kind of carry that forward. And I got to tell you, it's been pretty disappointing. It's like nobody will listen. Now that you come back with all these insights and stuff like that, it's the real trouble is getting people to listen. So I guess I didn't really anticipate that. Now that I understand it a little better, I do understand that a lot of those World War I guys, like it was like that for them too.

Like they didn't really start publishing those books until after World War II. But they were probably screaming their heads off saying, like, look, you're about to waste all that service and sacrifice. You're going to lead us right back into war. look at these trends, this is, this is very troubling, very alarming to us. And nobody would listen at that time. So did. Curious. In all your like, um, research and, and, you know, all your readings, was there a guy or a girl who found a way to get people to listen when they came

back? Like, was there, was there a way that you're like, oh, that's interesting? They, they found a way to get society to listen to them when they'd seen things. Or is it just time it takes for trends to play out? I think it does take time for trends to play out. And that's why I advocate for the mitigation strategy. You can't stop it. It's just too big. We, you know, it's a big, bad machine.

It's like a massive ship that does not turn on a dime. But over time, you know, if we keep at it, especially with these judgments, judicial decisions, this kind of thing. We're going to see some really bad decisions than we have, but in the aggregate over time, we'll start to steer this ship back on course. It's just, it doesn't turn on a dime. And most of what we have to do right now, I think, is just mitigate the damage so we don't face like a total collapse and there is something left from which to rebuild once we get

into that 2030 to 2032 timeframe. Forgive me for asking this, because I assume you've worked. already talked about it, but when you say mitigate, what do you, it's like one of those words, once again, could you just explain what you mean by mitigate? Like, what, what do you mean exactly in that? I mean, it's going to continue on a downward trend. We just want to make sure that it's, it's not as sharp a decline as it might be. Like, so when, in your own personal life, It's like I said, you want to make sure that you have a food source, that you have clean water, that hopefully you have some backup power, that you can burn wood in your home, because you're not going to be able to rely on these things. You know, whether our supply chains collapse and we have massive food insecurity, food shortages, whether we have rolling blackouts, I would expect that we're going to see rolling blackouts for sure.

and whether or not you're able to heat your home. So just the basic essentials, we're not going to be able to count on those things. So the mitigation strategy would be those different measures. Looking at it, you know, compared to COVID where they just went, this is the solution, do the solution, and we'll all be fine. When you're talking about mitigation,

that would be very unique to every person listen to us, because everybody has a unique spot they're in across this giant country and to our American listeners and other listeners, right? You have different things that are going to possibly become problems for you. So if you're listening to this and you're hearing mitigation, and please feel free to correct me, but I would think you look at your surroundings, you look at the problems that you go,

okay, well, that could be a problem, that could be a problem. Food, clean water is pretty much standard across the board. But there are going to be a, you know, you mentioned rolling blackouts. If you live in certain areas, you know, like I think of farmers around the areas I'm, I'm in. It's not rolling blackouts, but power outages do happen quite often. And that's already something they have to deal with for people living in a big giant city. The dangers of somebody kicking down their door are a little different than somebody maybe in a smaller community where they know their neighbors and everything else, right?

So you have to look at your individual spot and go, okay, what are actually the problems I'm going to face here? Yeah. And in the original, in fourth, the fourth turning when that came out in 1997, I had a fun experience with this because it was one of my smart friends who was always making fun of me for being so paranoid who first recommended the book to me. And he's like, oh, yeah, everything's normal. Just read this book and you'll understand everything's really normal. And then as soon as I started reading it, I was like texting, I'm going, why do I feel like this book is about to validate everything I've been saying to you for years? There was a quote from it that says, forewarned is forearmed. So if you're in a city, you might want to arm yourself.

I'm not. I got the hell out of Ottawa and came out here to Cape Breton. You know, it's the home of my heart where I grew up and I'm going to dig my boots into the land that I love and make my final stand. against global tyranny. But, you know, of course I have tons of guns. So, yeah, that's definitely a mitigation strategy. I have everything that I need here to hunt and fish and, you know, provide for myself. I have like 50 years worth of rations that'll never go bad.

Well, no, they last for 50 years. And I have, I think, five years worth of food there. So even if I wasn't able to hunt, I would still have something there. Um, the, you know, I could probably do a little better on some other items. I've been just so busy. I never really got into that in full swing. And here we are sort of at the precipice of the major collapse. But, um, you just want to be able to make sure that, uh, you know, you can protect yourself

and provide for yourself because the systems that we have relied on our entire lives, um, we, we can rely on no longer. But it's not a permanent state of affairs. Uh, two things. I always used to say this to the troops. I was like, there's two things. to remember when the chips are down. Number one, it's only temporary.

Number two, it can always get worse. So whatever you do, don't make it worse. Before I let you out of here, I should ask, you know, like, you know, we had you on the live show talking about the $28,000 fine. Where are things in Nova Scotia these days with the ban on walking in the woods with your fine?

Bring us up to speed on everything. happening out east. Okay. So the Justice Center for Constitutional freedoms is providing my legal representation. And they are, they already submitted an application for judicial review. That's going to be heard on the 3rd and 4th of February. So we're reviewing these bans in light of our charter. rights. Meanwhile, the Canadian Constitutional Foundation, they have submitted an application for

judicial review in the public interest. So we have two judicial reviews ongoing that are going to be heard in February. One is in my private interest because I have the fine. The other is in the public interest because the CCF filed that one. And what I've been seeing is the province does seem to be, like our leaders do seem to be reacting in some ways. again, it's totally incoherent. It's all emotional. They have no right nor reason for why they would ban us from the woods because walking doesn't cause fire in the first place.

But even if you look at the data that they're supposed to be using, like the fire weather forecast is all in the blue. It's all a low risk of wildfire. But they still are banning people from entering the woods in some parts of the province, just not in my part of the province. and they've already jumped the shark a few times. So I think that, you know, because Tim Houston said you can't go in the woods because you're going to start a fire. Then, you know, I did that whole stunt there.

And you saw Susan Holt in neighboring New Brunswick saying, obviously it's not walking that causes a fire, but you're going to break your leg and we can't come rescue you. So she's admitted that it's because they don't have enough resources to save our lives anymore. And then it came back to Tim Houston where he was like, yeah, okay. So it's not really that walking causes fire. But what if you got lost and found yourself in the middle of a wildfire? And I was like, getting lost in the park by my house and accidentally walking my dog for eight days to find myself engulfed in the flames of the nearest wildfire.

Very implausible. So they don't know what they're doing and they continue to demonstrate that. We have two legal challenges underway. We're capturing all the data, you know, with the fire weather forecast so we can look and say, okay, well, what data was available on the days that they were making these decisions? And so I think it's, they're doing a lot of our work for us. And hopefully we're going to get our day in court this time. I think I mentioned the last time I was here. But in 2023, I tried to file a judicial review of the Woods bands that they put in place that year.

And the judge told me that, you know, I couldn't stand on my rights alone. There needed to be money involved. And because I wasn't fined, I didn't have private standing. And because I wasn't a lawyer, I didn't have public interest standing. So they dismissed my application at that time. But now we have both. We have both a private interest standing case and a public interest standing case. So I think that this is about as good a shot as we're ever going to have at winning back our freedoms

and finally reining these people in. Well, actually, you know, like, it's like that actually shocked me. I didn't know about 2023. I don't know if that news hit the west side of the country. Like I just, I had no idea, right? I was like, when you John said 2020, I'm like, what? 2023.

So this isn't the first time they've pulled this stunt. No, no, they banned us from the woods, a blanket ban across the entire province during the 2023 wildfires. season. And that was the worst wildfire season that we ever had, especially with the Barrington wildfire, the largest in Nova Scotia's history. But that was like eight hours from my house. And I live on Cape Breton Island. Like it's never been the case that a wildfire in mainland Nova Scotia is going to jump over a two kilometers straight of Canso to Cape Breton Island. It's a natural firebreak. So there was absolutely no reason for, for borrowing me from the park

by my house where they put up tape across the trails, the gravel trails. Because that's the woods. So, like, it was totally irrational in, in 2023. It was a knee-jerk reaction, just like this one, entirely based on their emotions, no basis in reality whatsoever. So I tried to take them to court in 2023, and, you know, they're just going to keep doubling down if we don't ram them in at some point. So at least this time, I knew what I had to do. I knew what I had to do the first day they came in and put the ban in because the judge told me last time, had I gotten fined, I would have had standing. So I was like, well, I got to go get fine this time.

And what I've been seeing, though, is more and more people, I think, are awake to it. It seems that, you know, they're not buying it as much this time. I get some trolls, but for the most part, people are looking at our leadership and go, what the hell are you guys doing? And it's it's abundantly clear that they do not have the resources to do their jobs because they've completely mismanaged these resources for years. You know, they'll spend, what is it? I was doing a tweet not too long ago. It's like 78 times the amount of money on servicing the interest on our debt as they do on wildfire prevention. So a lot of people, I think, are starting to call them out on this. And it looks

like this is one of those aspects of the pendulum that is starting to swing back. So I'm optimistic in that regard. Yeah, it's one of the things the fine did for you, not only does it give you standing in court, right? As you've, it also sent a shockwave across Canada, right? Because all of a sudden it's like, a guy got fined, 28 grand? What is going on? Right?

Like, you know, because I think at 2023, I just, you know, after COVID, after the freedom convoy. Yeah. And being there and seeing that and then coming home and, you know, and seeing all the things come off. And then, you know, it's like anytime there's anything new, there's just a whole new set of people that have been through the shit in their own country. And they're like, uh-uh.

No, you're not going there. And I'm not, no, I'm not doing that. Right? Like that, there's a whole new group. Now, is that 10%? Is it 20%? Is it 2%? Well, we know it's more than 2%, but you get the point.

And so now when you hear that they've blanketed the entire woods, it's like, no, no, right? And then I sit and have these discussions with people. And some of them are like, well, no, you've got to protect people. I'm like, oh, we've got to protect people. Interesting. Well, maybe we shouldn't let them drive. Let's just take everybody off the highway then. Nobody can drive anymore.

No more. We're protecting people. If that is what the goal is, right? And I wouldn't, I don't know if I was that guy. five years ago. I probably wasn't. But then COVID hit, you go through that, you see all the things, you talk to all the people. You're like, this is wild. The one thing that getting the fine did, that at least where I sit, is it sent a shockwave across probably more. You could explain this better than I can, but certainly on the west side of Canada. We all saw that and went,

holy crap, what is going on over there? Whereas in 2023, I don't even know if I heard about it. And I'd literally do this show five days a week. I would have thought I would have heard about it. That's what surprised me about it so much. Yeah. And I think the effect that this is having, too, is, it's like you said, like every time they double down, more people wake up. Every time they make a decision, every time they open their mouths, every time they jump the shark and show everybody just how ridiculous they really are, more people wake up. And this is kind of what I've been saying, too, is like, we just got to keep up the pressure. Okay. And every time these people respond to that pressure, they're going to do something ridiculous and more people are going to realize just how

absurd this whole situation is. And with the situation in 2023, like, people were not really screaming about it so much then. I mean, I was. I was screaming about like, this is a massive overreach. But most people were just like, you know, you're crazy, shut up and you're putting everybody in danger, just like, just like COVID all over again. But, yeah, the shock wave, I think, is twofold. Number one, it's just so heavy-handed. And on the other, it's just so ridiculous. And it is actually global.

People in other countries are interviewing me. The Americans are starting to take a pretty keen interest. I'm going down to Florida to do a full-length podcast with James O'Keefe on the 23rd. And so, and that was always my intent, too. I wanted to make sure that it went viral, it got international attention, because these people are just so full of themselves. They're so narcissistic. They're so image obsessed that you have to go after their image. So my hope is that once they see just how horrified the rest of the world is at their reprehensible conduct towards their citizens, that maybe they themselves will wake up.

And a lot of people are waking up. I think the 13th of September is the big rally against Mass. immigration that's happening like all over Europe and now it's happening in Canada. So these issues are starting to hit home for a lot of people. Those of us when sounding the alarm, like they kind of had the foresight to see it and took all the abuse for it, you know, we're being vindicated because these issues are hitting home for people and they can feel it in their own lives. And now that's where you're starting to see these pendulums swing back.

I would use the example of Tim Hortons. I haven't I haven't bought Tim Horton since they borrowed the unvaccinated kids from camp. I was like, okay, yeah, no, screw you guys. You're a bunch of abuse of arseholes and I'm done with you. But I seem to have been the only one to take that step when they did that during COVID. But now that it's affecting people's donuts, they're boycotting Tim Hortons. So it just is what it is. I know.

We might as well laugh about them, right? Just like how sad we are. It's like, oh, it's big people's donuts. People are pissed. Yes. And yes, that is true, right? Like we,

people are upset because their donuts are affected. Can't be better said than that. Man, I appreciate you coming on and doing this. I know when I first invited you, I was just like, normally this is what would, I would have done something like this the first time around.

But the way it worked out with timing, having you on the live show, I just is like, I just want to know who the heck you are. Like, you know, one of the things that always shocks me, right? I started this podcast in 2019. And the followers of the show don't need to hear the story again, but just for Jeff, you know, just for you. I, you know, like it was all basically sports focused. And, you know, I was fortunate.

I got to interview like Don Cherry and Ron McLean and a bunch of these high profile. while media types and NHELors and other figures as well. And then, you know, in the middle of COVID, you know, the world just like is like I had nothing under me. I was like, what was I doing? And so anyways, started interviewing all the people from all over the world that were talking out about what was happening. And what shocks me still to this day is how many more Canadians I run into, such as yourself,

that I had no idea existed in like the darkest time that I've ever lived, which was, you know, the couple of years of all the COVID insanity. It was just insane. And I think I speak for the audience when I say, you know, like you think you're starting to understand how many of us are across Canada. And then I run into Jeff Eve and I'm like,

well, who is this guy? And then you come on the show and I'm like, man, how did I miss that in COVID? I was literally interviewing anyone I could get my hands on that was talking about what was happening in our country. And I feel like the more of this goes on, I just scratched the surface. That's all I did. I just barely scratched the service. That's all I got to do because there's just more and more people that are impressing me that are Canadian. And I think that's something to be optimistic about,

honestly. I don't think I ever felt so good at my entire life as I did while I was at that convoy. we had just been through such a dark period where it was you know everything was so negative and so hateful and abusive and we showed up in in in we showed up in ottawa and then it was like oh yeah like this is this is who we really are you know we're we're true loving patriots and there were there were people like the hugs um we're going we're flowing freely like even the police who eventually beat us us up and we're there were there were people like the hugs um we're going we're flowing freely like even the police who eventually beat us up we're hugging protesters and stuff like that like it was it was just so warm and and there was just so much love and patriotism there that it really i think helped to remind me of you know who we really are and there's been a deliberate effort to suppress that so there's the reason you know that you've probably never heard of half of us or more than half of us who have engaged in all of this effort over the last several years because there is a deliberate effort to to suppress that and present things in a very different life.

So it's going to take time. But like I said, it's a big ship. Well, let me ask, Jeff, have you ever heard of me before we reached out? Yeah, I know about Sean Newman podcast just from social media and things like that. I did, but not much. I'll be frank. No, no. And that's, it doesn't hurt my feelings any because I, like I look at, you know, shadow bands and

And, you know, I've been removed. I interviewed Chris Barber before they were going. And I didn't think much of it at the time. And then my entire YouTube channel just got like nuked overnight. I was like, oh my goodness. Like I don't even think we, I don't even know if we mentioned any words that were, you know, deemed you can't say those words on a podcast, right? Like it was just, it was shocking. So it doesn't offend me at all.

I was just curious, right? because I always wonder how far the reach of a show is when I'm finding new guests all the time. I'm like, I'd never even heard of this person, you know? So it doesn't bother me one bit at all. Okay. Yeah, yeah. That's good because it's really hard to stay on top of who's who these days. There's just so much going on.

And some of it is, you know, filtering. Some of it is like even take for example, there's this issue around glyphosate. being being sprayed. And this actually makes our forests more prone to wildfire. And it's going on in Nova Scotia. And they didn't even stop the spraying as part of the firebans. They'll stop hiking, but they won't stop spraying the woods with chemicals. They make them more vulnerable to wildfire.

That's how rational these people are. But that, like the glyphosate thing was barely on my radar. I was like, I know it's a thing. I know other people are sounding the alarm. about it, they're all over that. So I'm not going to do a deep dive on glyphosate because I'm covering all of these other things. I'm, you know, like I'm the military guy and I'm pretty hawkish about foreign threats and about, I know all about the fourth turning and all these things.

So I'm going to do my piece here and focus on that and do that really well. And even that is probably too broad. It should be more focused. But, yeah, but, you know, so I didn't really pay much attention to the glyphosate thing. But then I kind of walked right into it when, uh, you know, I'm going to be very focused. when I marched into the woods to take my fine and I was like, what the hell do you mean? You're still doing this. And how much is this a factor in the increasing severity of our wildfire seasons? So, you know, it's funny how, you know, these things have a way of hitting home like that.

You don't realize, you know, and a lot of these issues, I think, are hitting home. And now that they're hitting home for Canadians, you're going to see that, that's, pendulum come back. I think there is going to be hell to pay for all this glyphosate stuff when it's all said and done. And it'll be the same in various, you know, various different domains across the political spectrum here.

Yeah, I can sit here and safely tell you it's hard to keep up with everything. I do five shows a week and there's so much going on. It's, it's, I can't expand my mind that much because of how many stories are happening simultaneously all at the same time all across canada let alone you add in any other country or any other part of the world it is next to impossible to keep up to the speed at which things are moving these days but i do appreciate you hop it on and giving me some time today it's been uh cool to hear a bit more about your story and and what uh um you know a military guy you know if if uh you know when i think about the conversation you know when you look at you look at you at classical works, my brain had thought similar things to you, like how on earth did it? And I'd gone a different direction and it sent you in a different direction. And that's, to me, that's a, that's a pretty cool thing for myself to hear and I'm sure others. And I appreciate you giving me

time today. Before I kick you off, any, any final thoughts to the audience before we, we carry on with our day? Well, I think I'll just kind of, you know, echo that sentiment and, you know, take it one step further and just say, well, this is why conversation is so important and why free speech is so important is because we all have blind spots. Nobody can keep track of it all. And, you know, I'm going to miss things. I'm going to let balls loose. And, you know, so I need to be open to that feedback. I need to have conversations with people and, and perhaps benefit from their experience and their insight because I'm going to miss things too. So, you know, It's a team effort in one sense, in another.

We all have our individual role to play. But as long as we keep talking and keep the information flowing and stay frosty, then I think we'll be all right. Stay frosty. One final one. I meant to ask this earlier on. You have two flags behind you. Yeah.

One of them is a Canadian flag that is, at least this is the way the screen shows it to me, that is all black with a red line through it. Is there specific, I assume there's specific meaning. to that play? Yeah, it's usually to represent veterans, like the thin red line being veterans. I think in the United States, it's for firefighters, though. So, you know, they have like a green line for veterans in the U.S. So, okay.

But in Canada, the only way I've ever seen it used was to represent veterans. So I have that. And then this one is, lest we forget. And I've crossed out the last with some spray paint. And I put that on the back of my motorcycle when I was riding to Rolling Thunder in Ottawa. That was the rethaying ceremony that we had to give dignity back to the monument to the veterans who were beaten and drug off it at the convoy. So I breached my conditions from the convoy so I could attend that and they came out and arrested me again. But this is my souvenir.

As I kept that left, we forget flag. And I have a few others, you know, Wellington Street. regulars and I have a red incident. Somebody gave me up the convoy and sometimes I changed them out a little bit. But this has been a pretty consistent background for the media blitz because naturally globalist news, I think we're the worst offenders at concealing the fact that I'm a veteran of two Canadian wars and just calling me a right-wing politician. So I literally did my best to look as veteran AF as I possibly could with my flags and everything. still, they still manage to gloss that over and just call me a right-wing politician.

It sounds, it sounds about right for them, doesn't it? Yeah, it really does. Yeah. But like I said, the more they jump to shark, the more people wake up and they can see just how, how badly we've all been deceived. Hey, Jeff, stay foroste. Appreciate you coming on today. And look forward to at some point having you back on the show. Anytime, Sean. Thanks a lot.