Shaun Newman Podcast - #915 - Tom Luongo & LTC Steven Murray

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

We discuss Charlie Kirk, NATO article 4 and psyops. Tom Luongo is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian, and economist whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. He hosts the Gold Goats ‘n Guns Podcast.LTC Steven Murray is a retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel who served as an Information Warfare Officer and Cyber Defense Battalion Commander. With extensive experience in cyber operations and intelligence, he commanded units supporting the United States Pacific Command, U.S. Army Pacific Forces, and the National Security Agency. He was deployed to Iraq during Operation Enduring Freedom, earning a Bronze Star, and has held roles such as Chief Information Security Officer for a large medical company. To watch the Full Cornerstone Forum: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] Money SummitWebsite: ExpatMoneySummit.com

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make sure to leave a review, make sure to share with a friend, and appreciate you guys all being here. I really do. All right, let's get on to that tale of the tape. Our first guest is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian, an economist whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. He hosts the Gold, Goats, and Guns podcast. The second retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel who has served as an information warfare officer and cyber defense battalion commander. I'm talking about Tom Luongo and LTC Stephen Murray.

So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Tom Luongo and Mr. LTC Stephen Murray, sir. Well, gents. Thanks for hopping on. Glad to hear. You know, for listeners, normally it's Tom and Alex.

And Alex was unavailable. today and I thought well we might we've got to add somebody in and it's been a while uh for uh Steve to be on and so I figured uh you two just been on together I'm like well this this should be interesting and Steve you should know a last time me and you talked okay I got removed from YouTube for a lady talking about like uh therapeutics and and some unlike sunlight and reducing stress for cancer off YouTube and then they gave me another strike and it's back to when you last on and I'm like you got to be kidding me they're going back in the So, yeah, anyone that's a YouTube lover, I'm still off the YouTube because of Debbie Moyer and now LTC Stephen Murray.

So I figured why not? Double down. We'll bring you back on. Gentlemen, it has been a wild couple of days. Obviously, Charlie Kirk being assassinated, murdered. You take your pick on where you guys want to go with it. And NATO Article 4 coming in being issued by Poland. and I don't know.

I'm going to throw to you, Tom, I think, to start, and you guys can go back and forth on all the events here in the last little bit. So we're now almost a week away from the Charlie Kirk getting assassinated. Live on television, live from Galgotha, it's the crucifixion, which is a reference to a great book by Gorby Dal, by the way. If you've not read live at Galgatha, I absolutely recommend you do what you'd you do read that book. It's hilarious. We're a week out from it. So I'm not going to go over, I'm not going to eulogize Charlie Kirk again because I've already done it about six or seven times

and not saying that he doesn't deserve, you know, some form of kind words at this point because he does. I want to now talk about what I'm seeing since then, because as far as I'm concerned at this point, I've now noted the level of sciop intelligence operation, fifth generation warfare, all of it that I seen in relation to this, I have not seen it this hot and heavy since the breakout of the Ukrainian conflict with Russia. It is bad. And it's a cultural thing designed to blame one radical side and use the other radical side in order to come in and radicalize the middle. What I mean by that is we're finding out that the kid was, you know, Trantifa adjacent at a minute, at best, right? And of course, now on the other side of this, what we're seeing is an orgy of evidence that

starts to come out around how the, the Israel was involved in this in some way, matter, shape, or form. And I find that hilarious. And what I'm also noting is, of course, that the Groyper Wright, which is the Nick Fuentes led Graper anti-Israel supposedly trad-Christian, yada, y'a-y-a-y-y, right, are now screaming about all of this. And I watched Fuentes' eulogy of Charlie Kirk the other night. And I have never been more horrified since I sat watching like old newsreels of Hitler. I'm not kidding. This guy used Charlie Kirk, his enemy,

and then turned it into a call to arms against basically fucking everybody. And he got caught with his moments of duper's delight while he, this is a guy who said Charlie Kirk should not be, consider himself a Christian, get a month ago in his regular ramp. And he's being purposefully amplified and his minions are fucking everywhere. They are all over the place like the good little cultist that they are. We see it on the Trantifa left all the time. And we can point to Soros.

We can point to the Ford Foundation, the Gates and all those people in Davos. I got news for you. They're doing the same thing on the right. The radicalization of disaffected, hopeless, depressed youths both are on both sides of this. That's who's being targeted here. That's the common denominator. Yeah, the black pill. The black pill.

And it's, and that's what's. clearly obvious. So I look at what we got about the shooter, Tyler Robinson, how he engraved his bullets with all the, with all the gaming references and all this stuff. And we got all that and we gave us the, we gave us the orgy of evidence. And then on that side, and then on the other side, you immediately saw everybody trying to tie this to Israel on the other side. Why don't forget the bots they've been amplifying that. That's what I mean. Yeah.

AI like. Right. And so it's, I'm getting at here is that yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a bit of both. And the, and the, and the big one is watching Canada someone's crash out this. I didn't see it, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's starting to crash out because it's starting to really, uh, it's becoming obvious that you can't push your, they're, they're so desperate to try and push this tie to Israel.

Um, because again, I keep saying over and over and over again, It's not that Israel is not doing terrible things in this world. They are, obviously. No one's arguing that. But the truth is this radicalization is not being pushed by Israel. I agree. This is not benefited, Israel at all. Israel only survives that the United States survives.

So pushing the United States into a frigging civil war over this makes no goddamn strategic sense. But you know who it does make strategic sense for? All roads lead to London. Alex isn't here, but he's here in spirit. No, I would agree with that. And by the way, Sean, thanks for, anointing me with the title of, I need somebody, something to call that dude. So I'm that dude.

So I appreciate that. And I'm glad to be notorious or infamous, however you want to say it for the YouTube flaming. I'm really proud to carry that title. Hey, you should be touched by that. If you want to get flamed off YouTube, call this guy. I will say this. I'm not convinced of anything. I've never seen Tom.

Tom is exactly right. I have never seen anything like what we're seeing right now with the amplification of all the anti-Israel rhetoric, all of the gay trans rhetoric. It's all incitement operations. And it's all, first of all, Israel's not that stupid. They're not going to do something in the broad day like this that's going to amplify right back to them. They're, they are the masters at assassination. If they're going to assassinate somebody, they're going to have an unfortunate helicopter accident. they're going to choke on a cheeseball.

They're going to, you know, die of poison somewhere. But it won't be in the public eye. It doesn't benefit them to do this in the public space. And, you know, would I be surprised if they were involved? No, no, I wouldn't be. But this was done. So there were several decoys. There was, it looks like, well, let me just say this.

It appears like there's several decoys. I'm not convinced of anything at this point. I am taking, I'm letting this develop. And usually my rule is 48 hours, but I'm going to stretch this into two or three weeks to see how this develops because they are clearly, they're clearly spoon feeding a narrative right now. And I don't like the narrative I'm seeing because the narrative is incitement towards gay and trans. And that's, I don't think that's the enemy. This whole black pill crew that's on Reddit that was using Discord, yeah, there's some plausibility. But I've watched that tape, that video, that kid jumping off that roof, at least a dozen,

times and I don't see a gun in his hand. And if I look at the wound, the wound is consistent with a small caliber pistol or, you know, a 9 millimeter or 40 is what it really looks like that bounced off a bone and came out his neck. Because the shirt puffs like where the hit, the hit went in. And then it looks like it hit a bone because he wasn't wearing a vest. If he was wearing a vest, the wound would be consistent with a round, a high caliber round that ricochets off the vest. but where he was hit and where it exited, it hit a bone and ricochet, it went through the soft tissue. And trust me, I've talked that enough with guys in the SF community and all the military guys I know and medics.

And yeah. So the point is, I don't know what to believe right now, and I'm not form in an opinion. But I can tell you unequivocally that there is definitely a narrative being built that Israel was responsible for. Charlie Kirk was, you know, scared of Israel and Netanyahu's a bully. that might be true, but the two, the two can be true at once, right? That somebody else pulled this off and then Yahoo's a bully. Okay, great. But until, until, and then the other piece of this, which I don't understand, which raises way more questions, is why the FBI hasn't stepped in and taken jurisdiction over this. And this was on a university campus that's federally funded. I mean,

there's a bunch of different ways that they can go about this to take over jurisdiction and take it away from the state authorities, which I don't have any faith in the state authorities in Utah anyway. No, I would. Plus, you're seeing the governor cover for this community as well as he's a flaming liberal anyway. So I, you know, this is, this is too important of an issue to leave this in the hands of rank amateurs. And granted, people don't trust the FBI right now.

And they don't trust the government. They don't trust politicians. They don't trust the media. So you're seeing all these wild conspiracy theories being amplified by all these different bots. And the one I saw yesterday was that there was a briefing by the CIA that was released. And they're going to do the maximum amount of casualties. Now, I will say this at this memorial on Sunday, prime time for a green flag event, prime time. It's right out of Matt Bracken's book, Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

That said, I don't know what I'm looking at. You know, it's tragic what happened. he's a casualty of war. We're in a war. We need to identify and clearly identify who the real enemy is. It's not the trans movement. It's not the black pills. It's either China. It's the NGOs. It's the communists within this country. Take your pick. But somebody needs to be like consecutively concurrently. Concurrently. It could be all of these people. This is, Steve, I agree with you. And this is one of the things, just to remind everybody when I'm talking about, when I'm talking about Candace Owens, she's out there trying to say that it was Bill Ackman,

yelled at Kirk that he tried to schmooze in with money and everything else. And this is the, and this is the kicker. Before we hit record, you know, everybody, we were chatting. I said, what's the agenda for the podcast? What are the three talking points? I'll tell you what the third talking point is. I'll tell you what ties all this together. Everything that you're seeing now,

and this is the way I want you all to start framing this in your head, and it'll make a lot of sense once I lay it out for you. And now I'm going to do a little bit of like Whitney Webbism, ready. I know I give her shit all the time for doing this, but this is the way it all works. We are six weeks out, six to eight weeks out from Trump getting his big IPO, Phammy and Freddie and the Great American Mortgage Company, which is the, and Scott Besson has already come out and said that we need to declare an emergency in housing because we have a problem. and there are all of these little bonnots that have come out of the organization, along with Trump twice saying in public,

and he wouldn't say this in public, if he didn't think he can get away with it, that they're going to investigate George Soros for RICO operations. Meaning, this is another way of saying, the reason why a lot of these people have not been put in jail yet is because they are members of a conspiracy that have to be investigated, and that takes time. If it was just alone, if it was just alone, you know,

that guy just did this crime, there was no money, dark money or this and that to be traced, then, you know, indictments could come down. And as Steve so eloquently screamed at on Mike Ferris the other day, just arrest somebody, do the thing. I mean, it's a lot simple. It's, it's, and you're not wrong for that sentiment, right? And that and, and expressing that frustration that everybody has. But the reality is, like everything else, the criminal justice system works in the particular way. And if you want people to, you know, honor that institution and restore faith in those institutions, which are currently being attacked at every level by both the Trantifa left and especially

the Graper right, because that's the fucking point. Then this is what you do. The goal is to stop the recapitalization of the middle class, which is the sum and substance of everything the Trump administration is attempting to do. And the IPO of Fannie and Freddie, a very important thing. Why do most people know about the situation with Fannie and Freddie? Because Bill Akman, a significant investor in the amount, the, the public amount of Fannie and Freddie shares that are out there, including, I might add, the

junior preferred share. So Akman stands to make a lot of money from this, but he's the one who put out a very, very detailed investor presentation back in January, which I linked for my, for my people, I've talked to, I've talked extensively

about within gold goats and guns, right? So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not lying here, folks. Like this is part, I'm talking my book now. I'm now putting my book on the table. Tom. This is important.

Let me just finish. Ackman is now being traced back to the Charlie Kirk killing, to tie it to Israel, to tie it to the Jews. All of that is to stop. And on the other side of this are a sincere group of people, bots and others who are attempting to derail this by saying they're going to. They're going to file lawsuits when the government goes to IPO Fannie and Freddie because they don't want to be diluted out because they're going to be materially harmed, all of that stuff. This is everywhere. This is all over the place.

And this is, to me, this is a big deal. Because Fannie and Freddie in the 30-year mortgage and the re and the re-establishment of the property properly government subsidized low down payment, fixed rate 30-year mortgage. is the path, the single most important path to getting to de-radicalizing the left and the right, that those disenfranchised kids because right now they are practically locked out of homeownership in the United States because they need 20% down. IPO, Fannie and Freddie for I think you just did it there for me, but for a Canadian sitting north, yeah. Sure.

IPO Fannie and Freddie. Okay. So Fannie and Freddie, Freddie May and Freddie Mac are the two government subsidized entities, us, the social identities, we call them GSEs that that create a, that are the ones that issue the mortgage back securities to guarantee and, and help underwrite by, by collecting guarantee fees, basically, for the 30-year fixed rate mortgage.

They stand between the banks and the borrowers to help facilitate that market. by collecting fees over and above the interest rate on the thing on the on the note in order to get people into homes with a with a low down payment so that they can start building homeownership and they can then free up their cash flow because remember a 30 year mortgage says hey man i don't you know i i can get into a reasonably reasonable starter home and i don't have it's not going to cost me a lot of my paycheck i then have that paycheck left over in disposable income at the end of every month to do what with to put my kids to college

to, you know, in the time, like my family, they used that to put, my dad used that, that house that he bought that I grew up in in 1968 to put all four his kids through college because he was on a three and a half percent note, a $28,000 that he bought the house for, right? Other people built businesses. My dad was a cop. My mom was a nurse. We were civil, certain.

I was a middle class civil servant family. Other people built businesses with that. They got a three and a half percent note. They could take the money that they would normally put towards paying down the mortgage in 10 years and they can put that towards building it, take that out and they go get consumer credit to go build a business, you go build a tire shop or, or, you know, a pet food store, whatever the fuck it is. Like, that's how we built wealth in the middle class in America, sewage treatment, you know, all of that stuff, like those guys, HBAC guys, all of that, electricians, HBack guys,

all of those. That's how they built those businesses. And then they built businesses that had a greater ROI than the interest on the mortgage, and they're never going to pay their mortgage off in a faster rate because their business pulls in six, seven percent a year. Their mortgage is three. They pocket a four difference. Everybody, and everybody wins. The mortgage is sold off to the insurance and the pension, the insurance companies and the pension funds because they're getting a greater return on investment over

treasuries, because the mortgages are being issued at treasury rates plus blah. Everybody takes a bit of the, everybody slices the dices, that profit and everybody wins. The insurance companies have stable income. The pen, the stable income to do actuarial tables. The pension funds have have stable income because they know what they can do in their defined benefit pension programs. All of it. It's all based in this. This is why the, this is why going off the gold standard is actually the, that's the real issue here.

And they have been targeting the frigging 30 year fixed rate mortgage as defined by Fannie and Freddie in the United States from the end of fucking world. War II. The whole fucking Marshall plan, all of it, I can like, I can go on for an hour about this now because I now understand the ins and outs and the twists and turns and the global financial crisis and the years of Zirp and NERP and QE and all that shit. It was all designed to destroy the 30-year mortgage, destroy the concept of the mortgage back to security, destroy the government guarantee, put Fannie and Freddie and conservatorship and don't let them out into the public again and then boost the shit out of the price of houses. through Zirp and Nerp and inflation and money printing to deny this generation of the opportunity

to build wealth, have a home, start a family, find a wife, find a husband, start a family, and do the middle class thing. Why? Because the British are fucking communists. That's why. They've only have been. This is not Israel. This is the Anglo Dutch Empire that's been locking us into fucking feudalism for a thousand years since William the Conqueror. And I'm telling you dudes, like, guys get this stuff. I've been watching like weird, like, I've been watching like Normie cons on, on normie guys on YouTube doing, I'm talking about the property markets. And they're like, and what Ron DeSantis and Florida is talking about,

by getting rid of property taxes, they're referencing these moments in history. Like, you know, some fucking Jimbrough who does a, who does a thing on, you know, on YouTube about property prices in South Florida is talking about William the Conqueror. We have crossed a freaking line here. Okay. Something. And they know it.

And they've been trying to stop Trump from IPO and Danny and Freddie since he took office in 2017. So I'm telling you it all ties into this. And the fucking tell was Candace Owens going after Bill Ackman. Because Candace Owens doesn't work for herself. Never has. Fight me, bro. Same thing with Fuentes. Same thing with Soros, all of them.

They're all in on it. Every bit of it. It's all fake. The goal is to make sure that the United States does not pull out of this cultural and economic straight jacket. They put us in. Yeah, they can't have the middle class reempowered, reenabled anymore. They need all the wealth for themselves.

And I learned something in Iraq, which, you know, has stuck with me all these years. And it was General Carter Ham. I worked for him in the desert. Great guy, by the way. He was the African commander when Kogam, when Benghazi happened. and he was basically railroaded out. Why that's important is he told me when I was, I was watching a VTC with the Bush clan,

and they were going around the table, and basically everybody had a good idea, and then it got to Dick Cheney, and he was like, no, it's a terrible idea. Let's go the opposite direction, and let's nuke everything, all the progress we made. This is similar to that. And what I find interesting is that,

you know, General Ham said, it doesn't matter what level people are. It doesn't matter how much they've been elevated. It doesn't matter. how much they've been empowered, they work for somebody. And I really didn't pay attention to it when he said it to me. But now it makes sense, right? If you look at all these talking heads, they work for somebody.

And it's look at Harry Sisson. I mean, he's been the left's poster boy of influencers for the better part of five years. And he came out of nowhere. And the same can be said for a lot of these influencers. What I'm seeing is they're falsely, you know, and they're propping up all these different influencers to get people to pay attention. They're propagating their feeds with millions of subscribers, which are probably all fake. And here's the question you've got to ask. If Elon's the savior free speech, why hasn't he turned off the bots on Twitter?

Why hasn't he turned off the AI on Twitter? Why isn't he really making it a public forum? Why hasn't he outed any of the intelligence and former FBI agents that are working on the payroll? And I'll tell you why, it's because somebody's got him coerced too. And their only playbook is they leverage you through fear and intimidation. At some point, that's going to break down. And I would say it already is breaking down. Yeah.

And the article four stuff, Tom's right, it all links together, right? The crown, and this is going to sound controversial when I say this. There's a lot of people that think that if the crown falls, so does the rest of the Commonwealth, so does the rest of Europe. I don't know how much of that, I believe. But I think that we need to let the system organically die, and we need to do it through mass noncompliance. Because they want kinetic. All of this incitement is so they can foment some kind of kinetic and drive somebody off the reservation. the moment they do that, and I've said, and I said this on the show with the last show with Tom,

the first round that goes downrange, everything stops. Every community that's affected by kinetic turns into a lepo. That's not what we want to give them. We want to give them mass noncompliance to wear, just like in Canada, when they were, when they did the climate locked out, don't go walk out in the woods or we'll find you 20, you know what I would have done? I would have organized everybody in the neighborhood except for all the barking karenes. I would have added them too.

And I would have marched everybody into the woods, sat down and would come and get me. Yeah. And lit a campfire at the same time. Just to make sure that we know exactly how much disdain and we hold them all. Yeah. And the point is, is that everybody associates revolution with kinetic, right? These folks on the left and right, these guys are real revolutionaries because they're believers. The problem with the black crew, the black pill crew, they don't believe in anything.

And this is the problem with the globalists. They don't have a vision for the future on the other side when they get what they want. They just want control. And they want to maintain the status quo as they know it. Without a vision of the future, you're going to get chaos, no matter which way you go about it. Look at Iraq. What was our problem in Iraq? We didn't have a vision for how we wanted the country to look on the other side of our occupation.

We just wanted Saddam Hussein out of power. and we wanted to establish democracy. Well, what does that look like? Nobody could define it. You know, I was in and out of that stupid theater for the better part of 10 years, and nobody could tell me what our end state was. What is the end state you're trying to reach?

And that's the problem with this whole globalist agenda. There's no end state other than we have to have control. We want to control. We want to, we want to organize everything, and we want to make everything an economic value system that allows us to control it and we want control. It's like, that's not a vision. It's not.

That's just a desired state of control. The end state we want is, number one, we want an end state where we have diversity across all the whole planet. And I don't mean diversity in the DEI format. I mean diversity in we celebrate all these different cultures for the good things in those cultures and we spend less time criticizing less time focused on the evil side of it and the more time on the positive side of it because i could tell you man i'll give you an example everybody hates the kurds but you go to the kurdish areas it's like cleveland it's not pretty it's not

amazing views but it works and it's clean and they take care of each other and yeah they've got their corruption they've got everybody's on the take they've got their their cultural norms But they don't, you can walk around the streets of Kurdistan and you don't have to worry about somebody costing you. And they never get credit for that, right? Even during the height of the Iraq war, you could still walk around to Hook or Bill and not have to worry about being shot at or molested. And nobody gives them credit for that, right? And I celebrated the fact that they had, you know, wedding ceremonies that lasted three days. Hey, who doesn't want three days off work, you go celebrate a wedding?

So, you know, but my point is we're full. focused on the negative, right? They want us focused on the negative. They want us in fear. They want us focus on the negative. They want us to criticize each other. They want to separate us into buckets. So all the buckets are fighting. So they can go off and build their control grid. Because the next thing we're going to have to fight after we get through this nonsense is this control grid by, you know, Peter Thiel and the rest of these AI technocrats that are all transhumanists. We're going to have to fight that's not going to be a kinetic fight. That's going to be an information fight. That's going to be an education fight. And that's going to be. downright noncompliance. There's no kinetic in that. Kinetic doesn't get you anywhere. And that's a problem with all these, you know, these Whoa-Hua Special Forces guys. You know, I have this conversation with them all the time. This isn't the fight. The fights, who are you going to go shoot? Like, you can go shoot a bunch of politicians. It's not going to solve the problem. They're owned by somebody. Find out who owns them. That's who we need to go after.

But we need to go after them and strip their wealth and take away all their power because the thing that motivates somebody with that much money is power. It's not things. They don't bankrupt the mall. It's bankrupt the mall, Steve. It's, you know, it's, no, you're absolutely right. This is, this is, you know, and this is why I got focused on the, the, the, it's why I became, I, I, I, I, I walked away from the black pill in 2021.

When I saw the opportunity, when I saw, I started to watch what I thought was the Federal Reserve, start the process of of stripping them of their wealth by breaking with the with the current regime which was coordinated central bank policy to stay at the zero bound okay and we had to break the euro dollar system we had to break the control of a system where the United States was not in charge of its own monetary policy like and that's that process I'm like that thought process became a self-fulfilling thing i didn't believe it at first i just like wow really but you know and i'm not going to say i'm not a half you know you know there's a the meme going around the um i saw this morning a cartoon going on this morning um you know um you know optimist glass half full

pessimist glass half empty it's a glass of weak american beer gen x piss right it's the glasses half full, the glasses have empty, piss, right? The Gen X is just looking at it. Why would I drink that stuff? It's Budweiser. It's nasty, right? So, which is a classic commentary on my generation. And so I may be, you know, I may both be able to say that it's both piss and half full.

And that, so that may be my bias. but if I didn't have even that desire to see the world, you know, try and find a evidence of a solution, then you would miss it if it wasn't there. If you weren't looking for it, it would just miss it. You would just dismiss it as the same old shit that you've seen a thousand times. And once you say to yourself, okay, things are bad. We need to start looking at, you know, how did we get to here? How did we get Brexit?

How did we get Donald Trump in the first place, right? There had to be moments where something good came out of that. It couldn't all just be another goddamn sciop. Clearly, the powers that be didn't want Donald Trump to win the election, and they didn't want Brexit to happen. So therefore, you know, once the central bank policy started to bifurcate, I have to maybe put that on the same spectrum as what happened when, you know, downstream of Brexit and Trump and everything else.

And so there's a long wind of the way of saying, if you're not willing to look for evidence of the contrary to your thesis, then you're not. going to you may miss the fact that your thesis is bullshit and and at that point you can say oh maybe what i think i'm at that point is there if they're especially if they're pushing you on a particular direction i can they're saying you know it's all the trainees in this one or it's all the jews or whatever or how about this one the dollar's going to die gold is the 3,700 now see the dollar's dying does anybody looked at the crisis of of of you know, gold and Canadian dollars or British pounds or, I mean, like, or anything else.

It's happening across every, it's a secular bull market in gold. Okay. At the same time, how about we look at, you know, the U.S. yield curve, which is, you know, kind of important. If the dollar was dying, if the world, if the dollar was, if the U.S. was losing this capital battle, would rates be rising or falling? be rising and yet since the trade deal that trump forced onto the european union deals have been falling like a rock hmm so maybe somebody maybe somebody is running an operation on you if after all if if you've seen

such a state change you've seen the u.s yield curve across the board move down 25 basis points over the course of a quarter in the in against all this chaos and you're still running with the same thesis you were running with earlier in the year? Maybe you were wrong. Or maybe you work for somebody. You know, you're just an asshole. You used an analogy about a year ago, which I think it still applies today. And that is the project managers are still working off their Gant charts. And they haven't realized that all the managers have been killed. Did I actually say that? I don't remember that version of it. I don't remember what show you said it on. I'm like, I'm going to shamelessly steal that call that my own because that is that is brilliant but it's true right there I here's what I'm here's what

is not a prediction this is this is what I would do if I was somebody that was desperate and somebody that saw the reins of control slipping away I would escalate and do a bigger event now and I would and I would propagate the same players which I think they're planning right now that this was so this is classic communism tom's spot on this a classic communist if you read the book pawns in the game by william car you'll see all this script playing out in front of you the book was written 50 years ago and the guy called this script out and i'm surprised at how accurate it is matt bracken's another one of those guys he called out a lot of this script in his books he's he goes into excruciating detail at times but i understand why he does it now it's because he's seeing he's seeing the same things and

I'm seeing a script play out where they're in the phase where they want to maximize the carmage, they want to maximize the public fear, they want to maximize the amount of damage they do so they can justify more austere measures and more loss of our freedoms. And I'm convinced that I don't think Trump's, I don't think Trump's bought into that. I don't think that the administration's bought into that. I think that the, and I don't know where Peter Thiel or what's the guy's name that runs Palantir, that freak show. Alex Carp.

Yeah. Tell me, you're not a threat without telling me your threat. Yeah, that guy is. Yeah. Anyway, the point is that that's where I see this going next because they need a catalyst to declare that things are so bad they have to implement more things for our safety. and they want people to sign up for it. The good thing is people aren't signing up for the narratives.

There's so much distrust in the government that whatever they put out is basically shot down immediately. The problem is there's so much disinformation with all these different conspiracy bots and AI that's driving people off the reservation. My concern is that somebody's going to go off the reservation before we can get to a point of clarity and really see the bigger picture. Because there's clearly NGOs and communist organizations that were involved in this. And they are starting, like this morning, they came out with this guns for, guns for gays or whatever it is. And I don't know how much truth there is to that. But the FBI should be out there every day saying this is what we know. This is what we don't know.

These are the people that were actively interviewing right now. And I'd say they're investigating, but interviewing, right? Because there was other people he was talking to. And I'm sure all this is going to go back to an intelligence organization or an NGO. And then it's going to go to somebody who was pulling the purse strings. And when it does, the FBI needs to be ahead of that and say, you know, we've got a big name arrest that's going to be taking place in the next few hours. We contacted their attorneys, blah, blah, blah, you know, like they used to do when there was big crimes back in the, you know, early 90s and late 80s when they were actually in front of the press trying to calm the public that we got this. I don't see that.

And, you know, it doesn't help when Cash Patel stands next to the governor and looks like you just pump the neighbor's cat, you know, that stupid look on his face. Like, take charge. Get out front. Take charge. Be a leader. Stop hanging back and being polite. This is the fate of our country is at the end of this. So you either take charge, you know, it's that lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

That's the bottom line. And then the other thing is the public needs to realize that you need to scrutinize everything. but you don't need to go off the reservation because that's exactly what these people want. Keep your guns at home. Don't get wrapped up because they're only showing you the fringe. They're not showing you the bulk of the population. They're showing you the fringe to get you inside it.

Like all these TikTok videos of all these left-wing whack jobs that are celebrating, that's less than 1% of the population. It's like 0.009 of the population. Stop falling for that. Stop following for the people on the right. Like, we're going to go after you, man. We're going to pick up our guns. Okay, Captain, diabetes.

When you stroke out, when you put on your battle rattle, because you're 350 pounds and you can't get in your truck, stop talking. Sit down. Let the adults handle this, right? Because it's all being amplified so somebody will go off the reservation. What I'm concerned about is we don't get to the point of clarity and somebody loses their shit or there's a green flag.

And if there is a green flag, let me just say this. out loud. If there's a green flag attack, a mass casualty event, it was planned. It was planned for the reaction that they want. So don't fall for that. Mourn the loss. Let's get to the bottom of who did it. And let's hold people accountable. As much as painful as that is. No, and you're right, even and what I would say as well is what I've been trying to to say for the last couple of days now is look look I'm going to let law enforcement do their thing they may not be doing it the way you would like it to be done or the way I would like it to be on or the speed that we would like it to be done but let's you know let's let's let's understand that um what's important is

we can't affect any of that I mean we can put public pressure on sure fine but what I want you to understand is that in an information space now within a week of Charlie Kirk getting shot in the neck, the information space is now so money that the search for the truth itself is the distraction. What I led with on this podcast, I led with it on purpose to tell you what you can control in this situation is your reaction to everything that's happening. And the information you consume and the relationships you have and still have. This should have been a wake-up call to parents all across the country that they may have a griper monster or trantifa monster in their bedroom in their

basement or in their upstairs bedroom that a disaffected lonely young adult with no hope and this depressed needs your help and this is the time that you need to that don't look at the look at the at the at the radicalization of these kids not as the problem but as the symptom them and start treating. And that's how you're going to get to fixing the problem. How did they get this to this point? How did your families break down this far? Why were they seduced into this? What led them to this? This is important. That's how you stop. Yeah. It wasn't just read it. Don't don't stop there. It's not just read. It's not this discord. It's everything around them. It's these are the kids that we locked down five years ago. And,

COVID. We haven't done anything about the education system either. And the education system is a communist and a big fucking problem. That's a that's a problem to solve. We can get rid of fucking property tax in Florida, defund the goddamn school boards. But right now we have to deal with the fact that you've got 50 kids who are 15 or 13 to 15 during COVID graduating high school now and are full hormones and are full or are a fucking mess. And they're all and they're all lonely and they're all and they're all disaffected. walking out into the fucking world and they've got no options yeah it's a three-hour conversation about social media and indoctrination and there's a whole host of but i agree with you they don't have any hope and the general gist of this is that this is the time i keep saying every time somebody

i get on a fucking podcast i get to the end of it i'm like what can you do to fix this everybody can get up from their chairs put down their goddamn phones and go fix one small thing in their community be it in their house, be it in, you know, fill a pothole, do a thing. I don't know what it is, volunteer a half an hour over to soup kitchen, if they still exist, whatever it is. Do some fucking thing to give some, to give a whole bunch of members of your community back a minute of their day or two minutes of their day. And if everybody did that once a week, all of a sudden everybody gets an hour back.

And I hope that's the byproduct of this is that we build resilient communities out of it. I hope that's one of the byproducts and that I hope that parents really check back in and take control of the school boards. They take control of the schools. We defund a lot of these universities. I mean, there's a whole host of things that need to happen. Again, that is a big process that's going to take a long time ultimately. But at the top of that, we can start with no more federal funding for any of this stuff. That means we're not funding it, we don't need to pull the taxes.

We don't, we need to collect the taxes for it. If we're not collecting the taxes for it, we don't need the tax people for it. If we're not taxing the people for it, now, you know, now that's how the money, it's going to if Ron DeSantis is successful in eliminating property taxes in Florida, you are going to see a tidal wave across this country for the exact same thing because his comments are spot on. Yes. Look at the reason, part of the reason why I left Washington State and decide the fact that this on my communists and pedophiles and child molesters is the fact that it's you can't live there the

cost of living is so out of reach that you know and i had a modest home and the taxes on my modest home were rising almost 50% a year like who could sustain that if you're paying just as much for property taxes as you are in mortgage they just double the cost of your housing and it's all going to programs that you can't control anyway right and And, you know, the school levies and everything else, because, you know, I had a friend that's, in fact, one of my good friends is he was a superintendent up there. And I keep telling him the same thing. You know, I was okay with the levies if I knew the schools were producing, but the schools kept going downward because of DEI and all this inclusive and diversity and equity, which was just a facade for programs that don't work. It's a facade for, it's a facade for turning the school boards into political action committees for the Democratic fucking party.

Let's call it. Let's call spade of spade. This is my biggest problem with having lived in Florida. This was my complaint about Florida for the last 25 years. Ready? We raised the homestead exemption, the amount on our homestead exemption that are taxes that we don't have to pay taxes on from $25,000. We indexed from place and moved up to $50,000 about 10 years ago. Oh, but we couldn't get it past the Democrats to raise that for the school exemption as well. We still only got a $25,000 exemption against our property tax, the value of our houses for the school. So the school still got proportionally more money than the state. the county did you know why for the fucking children so that it can so they can groom our fucking kids with this bullshit i'm like no get rid of it all all ad valorem taxes go to fuck away i'm not paying rent to a feudal overlord who issues tax who issues debt to get me money to that put money to create issues that to me money into existence that i get to use at a fucking loss against inflation to then pay two then pay one and a half to three percent a year in rent against my fucking property, I'm supposed to fucking own. How about no?

How about that's feudalism? And it needs to end. This is where we need to be. You want to be fucking outraged about something. This is what happens. And Steve, you're absolutely right. If Florida leads, the rest of the country follows. And I'm telling you they're fucking shitting their pants.

Let them. BIS at the IMF, at the European Union, in fucking Bay. Let them. Let them. Fuck them. The more we dismantle. That's how we rebuild the middle class. I just, but hey, Sean, I just want you to take in for a second that I'm not the one losing my shit right now.

Just take that in because I'm very proud of myself for that. Not only am I that guy, but I'm that guy that doesn't lose his shit. Tom's that guy. So I think the bigger picture here, though, too, is that the other thing that people aren't talking about, that we need to start bringing to the public consciousness is we need to repeal smithmont and i was going to talk about this earlier and smithmont modernization um it was passed in i think 2012 2012 2013 and it allows a government to basically and it allows media to push propaganda and that that i'm finally starting to see the cry for that to start to reach the mainstream to where it needs to get to a boil because the other

action out of this is the media needs to be held accountable for the sedition, the conditioning, and the programming that they have pushed a lot of these kids into. And at the same time, one of the other long-term problems is Black Rock needs to be forced to liquidate all of the single family homes that they have acquired and the inventory they're sitting on right now because they've artificially jacked up the market. And I would say this, this is going to sound unpopular, but this needs to happen. In 2008, when the first housing, first housing, happened nobody was held accountable no bankers went to jail nobody jail for predatory lending practices they passed uh what was at dodd frank and they basically basically gutted it so it wasn't really a bill

somebody needs to be held a half the FYI was left of dodd frank steve destroyed the small business owner's ability to get fucking consumer credit right so it was again that ties into my fanny and Freddie ran from earlier, by the way. Yeah, it was a disaster in the first place, right? My point is saying that is this time people need to be held accountable. Why is Black Rock allowed to buy so many single family homes of Black Rock being guarded? And the same goes with all the predatory investment practices where they're investing in all these other firms and they're making themselves to the point where they can't fail. And we have to go bail them out. And Tom, I know you have an opinion on this, but you see where I'm going with this, right?

I know exactly what I'm expressing right now is there's there's a myriad of other things in the background that are prohibiting people and pricing people out of the market and we need to fix those things at the same time we need to hold people accountable for it without destroying the free market and that's that's a balance act that's going to take some very smart people I'm not one of them yeah but you know where I'm going with that right because there's there's a lot of I actually it's what's interesting is that at one point this is where I think it's Charlie Kirk comes back and the conversation because watching charlie i i didn't follow charler kirk for years and years because i just kind of saw him as a normie con and yada yada and i didn't really have much he and i exhibited you know exhibit obviously two radically different orbits in terms of the information space or at least three years that we did but it was interesting since he died i was chatting with dexter white last the other night about this and he was going on you know entertaining he was going doing what he was doing which he always says which is the forensic work on what on what happened with the shot to this and that or anything else.

And I'm like, dude, I didn't watch any of it. I sat down and I just watched hours and hours and hours of clips of Charlie Kirk. Because I hadn't actually watched Charlie Kirk for years, right? And one of the things that came up in all those feeds that I watched and all those, those clips that I watched was him discussing this very thing about Black Rock and single family homes. And he's then, you know, talking to, you know, some purple hair tumblerina or whatever about, you know, them doing this.

And he's like, I don't think they should own single family homes. He's like, look, I'm at the point now. I'm like, I know it's not quote unquote free market, but we should just, we should just as an emergency act or whatever, he wasn't, didn't couch it in those terms, but you can see it on his face. He's like, no, you have more than $500 billion in assets under management or $100 million billion dollars in assets under management. You don't get to buy single family homes in America.

You can't, you are barred from owning them, period. You can't package them up. You can't do this. You can't do that. We've got to get rid of this whole fucking private equity thing where they're buying, where they're buying a perfectly reasonable medium-sized business. like Joanne Fabric and Toys R Us and everything else, loading them up with debt,

cashing out all the freaking money, and then selling them off for real estate because they own, because a lot of these companies like Kmart and, this is what happened with Kmart and Sears, right? It started with Eddie Guy in Pied and Sears, and that model has been running itself all over, has been running itself for years.

This is why they got rid of Toys R Us and Joanne Fabric and now they're like, you know, Pinera Bread, not all these, because all of these companies have, real estate that they're sitting on real estate that they bought for almost nothing because the cities grew up around them like these are all the business types where they were they were um think about it this way where you know i i live in i live north of gainsville florida and i've watched gainsville grow over the 38 years that i've lived here where i 75 on the western side of gainsville used to

be the frontier okay and 39th avenue to the north used to be the frontier i think it was cow farms the 39th Avenue 38 years ago. Now it's a big thing. Now it's all developed, right? But the businesses that went out there first to seed those areas, to the businesses that went into the cracker barrel that was put in at I-75 in Archer Road in Gainesville 40 years ago, right? They bought it for, I don't know, pick a number, $8,000 an acre. Today, that thing is worth $80,000 an acre or $90,000, or $100,000 an acre or whatever it is. Those numbers are probably even like insanely low. The point being is that those companies, you can go in and buy the company up,

okay, in a depressed stock price environment, buy the company up, then loaded up with debt, pull the cash out, and then sell the real estate and destroy the company in the process. And that's what they're doing. That's why these brands are going away. That's why Cracker Barrel, what do you think this Cracker Barrel thing was all about? this stupid bitch was brought in to do exactly that to destroy the brand because it's all a fucking real estate deal you destroy the brand by destroying the friggin by destroying the logo getting

everybody up up in arms nobody goes to cracker barrel oh by the way at the same time you decreased the quality of the food which was already a cracker barrel wasn't already good in the first place it's now to the point where it's literally fucking disgusting and you just you drive the customers away and then you sell the company off and all you really cared about was selling the real estate because the building is going to be bulldoze anyway and they're going to build something else over it yeah pea needs to be everywhere guys yeah and they need to go and they need to be removed from the scene yeah spiegel did the same thing to eddie bauer the only difference is the employees went in and bought the company back they they came in they bought edie bower they loaded it with

debt paid off all their executives all of them went back to germany and nobody was held accountable That stuff, that kind of thing needs to stop. Yeah, absolutely. And most importantly, we need to stop, we need to start barring foreign investment in certain sectors of our economy. Especially one of them is food production. We're both sounded like Dexter White 20 years ago. Like, I'm dead seriously. Before he and I started going to be about the shit back in my hardcore libertarian days.

If it was up to me right now and I was Trump, I would nationalize every people. piece of Chinese real estate in this country today because they own swaths of land next to military bases they own food production they on farming I would do the same thing with bill gates I would nationalize everything that piece of shit owns and I would I why isn't he in prison for crimes against humanity my God this is this is the thing to see this is what's really interesting notice how Trump cases and bring up gates because I was just saying this literally to my wife this morning. Notice how Trump brought the EU leaders in, struggle sessions to them to say they all want peace

and then while they machinate for war, right, when they were here in Washington a couple weeks ago. He did the same thing about a week later. He brought in all the tech bros to say, well, you know, we're all for, you know, innovation and, you know, rebuilding middle class and all that stuff. And then they immediately go out. And what does Bill Gates do? Yesterday, you know, I see that hit my fucking Twitter feed that his fake butter is now hitting

the market. Right. Why is that stuff in our food chain? Again, again, they're laughing at us. Trump is showing us who they are and then watching how they act opposite that because the normies still have to be woken up to this stuff. I think the normies are far. I think the normies are so much closer to this than anybody thinks.

And this is the problem with people like us because we spend so much, our focus determines our reality. And we're so focused on, you know, seeing the knife. edge, right, that we forget that there's this whole swath of people over here that just, that don't have five minutes to even consider with 90% of what we just, we've talked about. And so I mean, I'm it ripped the Band-Aid off. I'm tired of that. I know you are, man.

I'm tired of that whole excuse. Bill Gates has committed crimes against humanity. Last I checked, we had treaties that prevented genocide. I know we've ignored it in certain parts of the world. But this guy's killed people in every continent. this planet and he's done it through the gates foundation and if he's not walking around it's because he's still protected by something dude and i don't know what that's something is and you know it as well as i do and we're on that i know what i would do in that case

on your side and on this on this part of it i can tell you exactly what i would do in that case i'm telling you and he better be damn glad i'm not in charge because it would have been done already i i have said i have said many times there's where he's at find fix and destroy him like i agree absolutely fine i be your vice president yeah because of your first order is going to be all those pedophiles i don't want to see them on tv anymore make sure they did make sure that things go boom in the night and they disappear i get the i get to be the petos are make make yeah make go now i don't care who they are move out that's how that would go starting to raise the temperature on that side on this side of the

I understand you know it's it there's there's a point where you just cut bait right no I there's a point where you just you rip the bandaid off and you move out and we're getting close to that moment like Eric Schmidt Eric Schmidt was deeply involved in the last administration he's deeply involved in this administration when does this guy get rolled up for treason I mean seriously when does he get rolled up for treason and just because you're a billionaire we we have to break the glass ceiling somebody has to get arrested in the oligarch class so they all get the message that they're not above the law and every time you kowtow to them especially bill gates every time i see him on tv you're just kowtoeing to the fact that he is above the law he's not a sovereign

citizen this guy has committed he's committed acts of genocide in at least five different countries why isn't he why is a kill order issued on it i mean come on you got enough evidence his plane blew up his plane had an unfortunate mechanical issue that dropped it into the ocean you know straight down at a thousand miles an hour you're at a voting accident yeah i i would rather introduce him to low altitude helicopter descent therapy that would be my version of this what are the bootlers like okay this this one's definitely not making it on the youtube yeah well i've been trying no a i've been enjoying it i know know there's a ton of people that just enjoy when Sean sits back and does exactly what I've been doing. But you know, to your point, Steve, there's a whole bunch of just everyday folk

that are, do people need to be killed? I, and I'm going to say those everyday folk are like, no, no, no, I wouldn't say that. But it would be nice to see someone in leadership just be like, no, we're not doing this anymore. There's so much evidence out there that comes, you know, through this show talking about it and pointing to like different things. And, you know, you're just waiting for like the Bill Gates thing. It's like, yeah. You know, like when is, when is it just going to, you know, he brings them in to show everybody.

Well, that's great because the only people paying attention to that is us, Yahoo's. The everyday folk that doesn't have the five minutes, they might be close or they might be 10 years away or 50 years away or never. And so everybody who's paying attention is like, it's kind of where Steve's at. It's like, if we don't rip the Band-Aid off, We are going to have Connecticut in some sort of fashion because we're getting ever,

ever closer to that. Charlie Kirk getting killed like that in front of everyone. Did that put us closer or further away than from Connecticut? Closer. Absolute full stop. We're closer to it than we've ever been. Now could that mean we're still a mile away? Sure.

But we took a giant leap forward. You can't watch that. I know. And be listening to this conversation, not think we're getting closer. Like the civil unrest that Martin Armstrong always brings up on the show that it's going up. It just went up. And, and what's the outcome of that? People are getting frustrated that the peaceful noncompliance, the, the talking it out, the content, and I, you know, I just had a conversation where we talk, we have to keep talking. We can't, but there's going to be a

group of people that are like, I'm done talking. Like, look at what talking is getting done. It's getting you shot in front of a crowd of kids. And there's some of that's going to happen, right? It's going to happen regardless of what we say and what we do because there's going to be again in the information space there's there's a it's like the bell curve right normal statistical bell curve you can't reach the edges they're just beyond reform right and i i had this conversation probably a half a million times in iraq like the hobbies those guys are they're so far they're so far into their religion you can't reason with them you just there's only one solution for them and that's that's let us sell it you can't you can't with them, you can't talk them off the ledge, you can't bring them back, you can't reform them.

It's just the way it is. But the problem is we need to rein in the media and we need to rein in social media so people are seeing the truth and there's a source of truth so people can make an informed decision. The problem is the communists have been deeply infiltrated, have deeply infiltrated all of those complexes and they have control of the narrative right now. We need to regain control of the narrative. And Smith Mund is the first way to do it. The second one is Trump's right. Start revoking FCC licenses for MSD and CNN. And do it now.

Not tomorrow. Not the next day. Now. Shut them down. And let them cool their hills for a month or two until they figure out the messaging that needs to go out to the American people. And then you can turn them back on. Or you take it away permanently. Shut them down.

Okay, Steve, this is, again, I'm going to, I'm going to push back on that, not because you're wrong in in theory or in principle, but in timing. I don't think we're there yet, dude. I hate to say it. I just don't think we're there yet. I think people are willing to. I know, look, man, you remember, you're a professional at this. This is your, this is your area of expertise as a human being.

And God's bless you for it, dude. I love you for it. But I just, I'm going to say I have to kind of go with the argument that Donald Trump understands the media's like guys better than we do. Oh, I absolutely agree with that. Okay. If he hasn't made the move yet to revoke their FCC licenses, today it's because we're not

quite there yet. But when the time comes, it's going to happen. You've got this, I brought it up to you on Friday on Mike Ferris' show. I'll bring it up here with Sean just to remind everybody, Trump is still dealing with a with a Congress that would impeach and convict him tomorrow over over picking up a paperclip with his left hand as opposed to his right hand. And you cannot give them any reason to come together on the, to come together to get the 61 votes in the Senate they need or 60 votes in the Senate

and what they need in the House to impeach and convict him and remove him from office. We are, he has fake majorities in the House in the Senate. his Epstein leverage on them only goes so far if you and whatever leverage he has but at the Epstein leverage is real I think and um so all of those things are you know there's only so much you can do and so you have to let the situation play out in the court of public opinion until you get to the point where these guys will not be able to or maybe we have to deal with this over the that the that this timeline this as far as this part of the Gant chart is concerned, this doesn't resolve itself until the primary season really starts in the spring. I hate to say it. And we have, and our enemies know that, which is why they're accelerating things into this point in time as we end Q3 and move into Q4. Like, this is, this is part of the, this is part of the problem. And I'm not, you know, it's very clear, like J.D. Vance's statement yesterday at the end of the Charlie Kirk show, that 15 minutes of you didn't watch it,

everybody needs to fucking watch it because we know that Stephen Miller wrote the damn speech. We know what Vance said. The gloves are coming off, baby. This is we're at, we're, we're closer now than we've ever been. And Sean's correct. But now we have the vice president saying, which we never would. Am I, in my, in my wildest aspirations, I would have never believed that. It was ever going to come out of the vice president's mouth.

But moreover, when was you have to remember that everybody is still like, oh, my. God, is he really Hitler? Is he not? And that that fucking narrative is still out there. There are still millions of people who believe that Donald Trump is a dick, you know, wants to be a dictator. There are still millions of people in this world who have been gasoline and believing that Vladimir Putin wants to reinstitute the USSR. It's the most nonsensical fucking thing I've ever heard in my entire life. But yet, people still believe in climate change. So we as information warriors see the problem. Well, here's another one.

When's the last time you saw the vice president do a sitting show on any media? Right. When was the last time you ever saw that happen? Right. I've never seen that happen. Talk about a precedent setting event. Well, and think about it. And why is he, why is Vance so prominent?

Because a lot of people hate Donald Trump, irrationally. That's the effect of a highly effective information campaign from, the you know 2015 on to 2020 and so what you do is you and bad you so you send vance out to do a lot of the work that trump would normally do and that the vice president would just sitting in the naval observatory observating and he's not he's out there as a as a I never needed in my head ever. I never needed that visual, ever. It's not something I can see, ever, ever.

God. If I want to make it stick, I got to give it to you all out and dirty. Thanks. Yeah, yeah. All right, Patton. So with that said, that's my, I watch every day that I watch Vance go out there and do his thing, the way he does it. it's he speaks to a different cohort than Trump does. Oh, he's definitely matured.

He's definitely matured since he took office. And I think that he's, the president's finally leveraging the vice president in ways the vice president should be leveraged. And I think the fact that he has a, he has a voice of his own and he's able to make decisions and he's able to do things that support the bigger picture. I think that's why we're seeing a lot more action in the first hundred days.

Yeah. my I don't want to I got to bounce here in a second because I got a real order sure I can get back to but I don't want people to think that there's no hope here there's a hell of a lot of hope here because I'm seeing people that I haven't talked to in years reach out now and ask me hey what should I be doing and I'm seeing I'm seeing people that are pushing back against the narrative I'm seeing a lot of people that are expressing outrage at the fact that political violence has taken place on our soil. So that's encouraging because it means people are starting to come together. And I will say this, if you go back to Pearl Harbor, and I said this on the show Friday, you know, Yamamoto

realized after Pearl Harbor that he had awoken a sleeping giant had filled them with a terrible resolve. This was our Pearl Harbor. This was our event that's filled people with the resolve, that enough is enough. You've heard that. over and over and over. Enough is enough. Enough is enough. And what I'm seeing is I'm not seeing people pick up rifles. I'm seeing people go after the decision makers and the leaders within their community to start pushing back. And some things that I, and I always bend your mind, so I'm going to bend your mind a little bit, Sean, before I get off of this. They solved, they arrested a guy in 33 hours. Erica's speech was 33 minutes long. They're symbolic,

in all of this. We need to figure out who's pulling the strings on that and why that's involved, as well as we need to figure out who is behind this and why this is happening. The thing we can't fall into, and this is the trap that I want everybody to remember, we can't fall into the violence trap, but we also can't fall into, we need somebody to step in and usher in more loss of our civil liberties, because that's not the answer either. Right. And we need to push back against the control grid and the surveillance grid. And we need to pay attention to what the rhetoric is coming out of the White House. At this point, I would say don't believe anything until it's an proven fact that can be verified by a number of sources that are not linked to the same source.

And that's going to be very, very hard to do. But there's lots of people that are doing good work, good journalism, Washington Pundit, Revolver. That news, they're doing good journalism and they're releasing things that are factual. Start there as a source. And if you don't see it there, chances are it's not real. But don't believe anything, a ticket at face value because I can tell you that the things I've been seen, I don't take anything at face value. There's so much amplification by bots and AI that, like this whole Israel narrative,

as soon as I saw the bots trying to amplify that, I'm like, okay, that's BS. And even if they are involved, let's just say for argument's sake, even if they are involved, what are we going to do about it? Steve, if they are involved, it's because you want, they want, they want people to be distracted by the fact that they are involved. It's itself is the distraction. Yeah. What are we going to do about it?

Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. So like how about we stop with the bulletin? shit. And as Steve said, don't believe anything. But understand what the big picture is, what we've laid out in terms of the information space and the battlefield of the information space. What you can do to fix the narrative within your own home is the means by which we immunize society against the radicalization, because that's what we need at this point. And we don't need

to have a singular narrative. My narrative may be that it's all city of London, you know, coming in right before Trump goes to visit with King's sausage fingers. I know I had to say it, to get it in once to make Steve happy. But I was waiting for it. I know you were. So literally, so it may be part of that, but that's my gig. You can have a different gig. I'm good. You can even believe it's all the Jews. I don't care. But understand that that all of those things are reflections of the of the of the of the of the space that we're operating in intended to drive us all a little bad shit crazy yeah and so just take a step back every once in a while touch grass pet your dog do your thing and reframe everything you think you know from a slightly different perspective just to give

yourself some much needed objectivity in the immortal words of philip k dick in writing in vallis ages and ages ago in 1981 he wrote the book vallis which is about his personal experience experiences with, you know, what I think was having a stroke, which was, you know, he introduces this character named Horse Lover Fat. And he starts talking about, and he starts the book, 20 minutes, 20 pages in, he's, you know, describing Horse Lever Fat's life. And he says, and then he breaks the fourth wall, and he says, I am Horseover Fat, and I am writing this in the third person in order to gain some much needed objectivity. Okay. Like, it's, some things are too personal. things are too weird. Some things are metatextual. I don't know what to do at this point other than tell

you just a. A is not always A. Ein Rand, Aristotle. Sorry, it isn't. Until you find out, you know, and the search for the truth, they're leading you with breadcrumbs down a path that is not necessarily true. I'm not saying I have all the truth. I present my version of it to you for your consumption with a with both invective and humility and hopefully some at least entertaining but and be entertaining about it but what's important is that we continually do the what's what's see was saying you check your premises don't believe anything but at the same time understand don't lose hope that there are not good people trying to do this to do good work and they also are human and fallible and will make mistakes and evidence of their mistake is not evidence

of their complicity or whatever. That is not necessarily true. You know, if not perfect, therefore an asset, someone else's asset. That's a bullshit false diet. But it's fucking everywhere. It's all over the internet. It's 90% of what the AI bots and the griper's put out on their fucking side and everybody else.

It's everywhere. And it has to end. And I'm as guilty of it as everybody else. So take everything I say with a grain of fucking. salt or as I would just say don't yeah don't don't listen to the bullshit but definitely don't lose hope I mean look if turn that anger into action at the local level it's your build a resilient community that's what you need to be doing anyway right go make some connections at a church you know and even if you if even if you're not a Christian go go meet people and make human connections that's

the one thing we can do right now and part of And look, part of the reason why the Black Pill crew and the extreme left, the reason why those people are on the extremes is because they don't make human connections. They're isolated. The whole point of this exercise and the whole reason that these communities exist is because these people feel like they're isolated. Yes. There's nobody else around them. There's nobody that identifies it with them. There's nobody that understands their pain. That's a direct result of the COVID. COVID lockdowns and shutdowns. It was by design so they can isolate people.

Part of an effective psychological operation is that you feel isolated and you're the only one that feels that way. That's classic sciops. The way you break out of that, go make human connections, go talk to people, go interact. And most importantly, be fucking awkward. If you're awkward, be awkward. But keep being awkward till you're not. Because what did I tell you about the cornerstone?

What's that? What did I tell you about the cornerstone after it was done? I didn't realize I was building community. You told me it like, exactly what you're doing. Two years ago, maybe longer, one of the first conversations we had in a lot.

What a stupid idea, but you're like, it can't be that simple. And then you see it play out in front. I'm like, holy crap. That's actually, well,

I'm having, I'm having to ride that same. I'm having to ride that same thing here with what I, when I, you know, what little thing that we built, go, and guns,

whatever it is, So however whatever, whatever, whatever level of success we may or may not have had. And then the, you know, I, I never intended it. But here it is. And now I've got, now I've got the responsibility for it. Whereas opposed to a guy like Charlie Kirk intentionally went out to, went out to build a massive community to change the, change the country. Yeah. To change the way we, we communicate with one another.

And here's that. They fucking shot him. Yeah. And here's the tell. The tell is when people come up to you and start repeating things and saying back to you, things that you've said and put out. You know, I can tell you right now. So I, of course, I don't have one in front of me, but I, for my subsapps subscribers, since I just monetized my channel after five years, I said, hey, for everybody that's, you know, one of the founders, I'm going to send you a challenge going because I have a challenge corner made up, you know, the good captain Seth Keschel, the election guru, said, Sir, you need a coin. People are gonna want a coin.

I'm like, what are you talking about? But why would you want a coin from this bitter, apathetic dude? Why, what if, what? What? He's like, trust me, sir, you want a coin. Put it out there, wildfire. Literally, two days ago, I sent out like 40 or 50 coins.

Like, who'd have thought, right? You're building community, and I hate to say it, Sean, but you're a leader now. Welcome to the adult world of leadership. Sometimes it's stuff. Sometimes you're tired. He's not, he's not, Sean is not sad about that. Sean knows exactly what you're doing.

And by the way, next time when you're going to invite me to that thing to come and speak, could you give me more than a week's notice? Could I give you more than a week's notice? Could you, could you do that? March 27, 28. I know the guy that you need somebody you call that guy. I know I'm that guy. But could you make me not that guy?

You know, it's the funny part about it all this is so I think we should wrap up, wrap it up because I have to go to it, which is that we're all going to build our own little communities in our own little ways. These are all intentional communities. They're going to grow to whatever level, you know, we have our ambition and or our comfort level, right? And whatever that is. And, you know, and, you know, we don't have to be, we don't have to listen to to anybody tell us that we're not doing enough. We do what we can as we can. And if we can't do anymore, then we pass towards somebody else who can. What I said about Charlie Kirk the other day for the Sunday patron market report, I normally put up a slide with a meme and three talking points.

All I did was put up a picture of Charlie Kirk and one talking point, next man up, next man up, one way out and or next man up. We have to continue. If you don't have to agree with Charlie Kirk's positions on anything, you have to, but you should agree with the way he did what he did. And if you cannot acknowledge even that, well, there's a Discord server with your name on it.

And we're going to, you know, and we're going to clash at some point in the future. That guy did it right. We can learn from his example. I appreciate both of you coming on. do appreciate it when the guests are like, I think it's time to wrap it up. I don't have to give that. So thanks gentlemen for doing this and we'll, I'm sure we'll talk in the future. Of course. Absolutely.