Shaun Newman Podcast - #922 - Martin Armstrong

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

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Today's guest is a CEO of Armstrong Analytics. I'm talking about Martin Armstrong. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Martin Armstrong. Martin, welcome back to the show. Oh, thank you for inviting me.

I have been, I was just saying this, I've been wondering your thoughts on a lot of different things. Before we get to them, though, me and a few of the guys who got to meet you in Calgary were wondering. You know, your ex account, you're posting, we feel like we're getting to see Martin post a lot. Like, has something changed on your end? Or are you just trying to find different ways to put some of your thoughts out there? Maybe you're just having more fun with just like interacting with social media.

I can't figure it out. I thought, well, who better to ask than Martin himself? No, I brought in a guy to basically handle that and he's taking a lot of the stuff that I do and put it on and then some of it I do directly, but if it's something new. But, no, we've had interesting problem. We've had some people creating accounts and pretending to be me. And that's, what it's done is forced me to basically establish accounts virtually everywhere. You know, I mean, if there's somebody on telegram and answering questions, I said, not me. I don't know what the heck's going on here, but, and I'm not even sure why they do it.

if they're trying to hear people into a certain stock or something so they can sell it or, you know, by the way, give me some money to manage. I really don't know. But, and I spoke to, you know, some other people I talked to Sarah.

She said, you know, her podcast is being imitated too. I mean, it's, I don't know. I guess this is a, a new thing. I'm not sure. Am I talking to the real honest to God,

SMP? You are talking to the real honest to God Sean Newman podcast. Yes, you are, Martin. Well, I was curious.

Okay, so Trump comes out with a tweet, calling Russia a paper tiger, saying NATO, you guys all go have fun. We're going to sell you all these weapons.

Don't worry about it. I'm like, I was almost like taking a little bit of back. I'm like, holy crap we're gonna we're gonna have war with russia but that's that's maybe me just sitting here as a as a layman and i'm like what do you think of trump's ex well his his tweet on on truth social and then you know just everything with russia right now you know where do you think this

is heading i i know where you think it's heading but uh did you see that coming and and what does that give you know you got the email to congress saying like stop this you know My concern is the unintended consequences. What Trump did, knowing the neocons intimately as I do, unfortunately. But going Russia, papered tiger, Ukraine can take all the territory and go get some. this is basically what the neocons are telling the Europeans. So he's, I think, being sarcastic insofar as, yeah, go ahead. This is what you all think.

We'll give you all the weapons and go have a nice time. You know, I think he's a little bit more realistic than that. I mean, I did get a text message from somebody close to him and said, look, peace negotiations are still on the table. The problem is Europe. And they're just, they're in the palm of these neocons. And as I've said, NATO is the retirement home for neocons. And from Putin's perspective, I would have to be extremely careful or cautious about any peace deal. Because these neocons, I don't care what he agrees to.

They just want to destroy Russia. You know, Lindsay Graham, you know, I mean, as I said when I was up there, your place, when I shook hands with John McCain, I felt like I needed a shower afterwards. I mean, I don't, it's hard to get into their head because it's so deranged. You know, I understood all this hatred of Russia was in the 50s, McCarthy and communism. and then you had Crucchev, we will bury you. All right. But Crucchev was

an honest-to-God, real believer in communism. He really thought that communism would defeat capitalism and it was a better system. I mean, he really believed that. So it wasn't

that we will bury you for an economic conquest or something. It was philosophical. And then my concern is these people, I mean, I know Russia's, I think a thousand times better than these neokines. You know, when Khrushchev did the Cuban Missile Crisis, and he had it back down. What happened? There was a coup. It was thrown out because it was an embarrassment to Russia. And Brezhnev took place.

And these, you know, these neocons, I mean, they just believe their own shit, really. They think that sanctions. Oh, if we put sanctions on Russia, and I'm unexaggering. This is what I've actually heard, that the people will rise up, overthrow their government. We will free them from what I don't know. And we'll bring liberty and justice as if we even have that to Russia. And they act as if the Russian people will give them a tick or tape parade. I mean, you can look at on YouTube at Tony Blair's apology for Iraq.

He basically says the same thing. Oh, well, we thought we were freeing them from Saddam, and we didn't realize we were subjecting them to more sectarian violence. Oh, you know, Saddam, Assad, and Gaddafi. Yes, dictators, but necessary. Why? Because the Middle East is tribal. It's not a country. The people in Iraq do not see themselves as Iraqis first. They see themselves as Sunni, Shiite, Kurd, the same thing. And everywhere you go, we drew those borders when we carved up the Ottoman Empire. Okay? They didn't create them. So they're arbitrary. And so you're You did need dictators in place to prevent them from killing each other, really. That was the whole issue.

You remove those and then look what you got. ISIS and all kinds of crazy stuff. The shackles were off and they were free to go kill each other. And so this idea of sanctions, it has never worked even once. all right we put sanctions on cuba in 1960 they are still there all right you can't buy Cuban cigars in the United States um Iran we put sanctions on then when they had the revolution 79 still there didn't overthrow the government you know it doesn't matter how many times they fail they keep the same nonsense going.

You know, it's like communism, a socialism. Oh, this is the way. Show me one time where it has ever worked, please. And they can't. But they ignore that. It's just this philosophy. I don't know what you call it. As I've said, I was in D.C.

When you had the whole Russian, you know, revolution. the coup and you had Gorbachev stand up and Reagan wanted to go meet him. They couldn't call him a communist then. So what did they say? You can never trust the Russian. That showed me that it didn't matter what Russia was. They just hate Russians. I guess it's just they grew up with this.

enemy being communist or something. And okay, fine, communism fell all by itself. And I think they're just pissed off. They didn't get to shoot anybody. I don't know. But they have not changed their mind. So it just goes from they hate communists to they just hate Russians. So honestly, if I'm Putin, I'm looking at this.

and I don't care what you do. What sanctions, what you give back, you give this territory that it doesn't matter. We ended up creating the whole Ukrainian war. Not Putin. All right, I got the tapes. They're on my, you know, site. You can look at them because they took them down on YouTube.

John McCain standing up at my Dan and he's saying, we're with you. This is about you and nobody else. This is your quest for peace, really. You know, then there was the tape. They got leaked. The phone call, they got leaked by Victoria Newland. You know, F the EU.

She stuck in. She handpicked the government. And an unelected government is what started the Civil War. Then they had elections afterwards, fine. You know, and Zelensky has imprisoned everybody that was, you know, stood up against them in politics. So he's no different than what they tried to do against Trump or Brazil against Bolsonaro, France against, you know, Marine Le Pen.

They're doing the same thing now in Romania. know, it's a standard thing, you know, imprison your opponent so he can't run against you. That's democracy. I mean, we live in such a, honestly, just such just a world of total bullshit. You know, it's ridiculous. And the press keeps doing this, you know. You know, if you see an article on Ukraine's and you know it's propaganda when it starts, out unprovoked Putin invasion of Ukraine. Unprovoked, really. Talk about rewriting history.

You know, I got those tapes. I mean, it was, you know, in the news, come on, you know. We started the whole war. There were, you know, major articles on it. They called them terrorists because they wanted to separate. Then there was the Minsk agreement that was supposed to allow them to separate on a vote. Everybody signed it. And then Merkel actually told the press, to my shock, well, we never intended to honor it. We were just buying time for Ukraine to build an army to start basically World War III. But we're the democracy. We wear their white hats, you know?

I mean, it's, I don't know. get sick of it. You know, it's just, it, it, it, the lives are just too many. Well, I know, you know, if I go back through all of our conversations, uh, we've been talking about this now for since I first met you, you know, we've been talking about this Russia, Ukraine conflict, World War III. And I think the hope of Trump being elected was he was going to come in, what do he say? In 24 hours, I'll have a peace deal, right? And, and certainly now we sit here where he's going, I think you can take back some land. Now, whether he believes that, whether he's just trying to push on different people and the neocons and everything, regardless, like, that isn't what I thought was going to happen when he was elected.

You know, I thought, I thought talks would begin. And I realized there's different factions at play that never want to see peace between the U.S. and Russia, among other places. I guess that just surprised me. Did it surprise you to see Trump come out? And I don't know. You're in so much of these conversations. I just on this side, when that got sent to me, I'm like, you got to be kidding me. Well, it's a, it's a shock, yes.

But at the same time, I know his style. And it is sarcastic. But I also know what he said is totally unrealistic. But that is what the neocons and NATO keeps telling everybody. NATO claims they have 3.4 million troops against Russia's 1.5. They can literally walk into Russia. Putin will fall to his knees, beg for his life. And he'll never push a nuke because he knows it will blow back on them.

This is the bullshit that I hear. All right. And that 3.4 million include you, I hate to tell you. That's Canadians being drafted and sent over and Americans. But this is what NATO keeps saying. And NATO, like I said, it's a retirement home for Neocons. It should have been shut down. I mean, I've been screaming that in Capitol Hill.

I just posted because I sent an email off again. I said, you know, what the hell is going on here? And I did get a response and says, listen, but there's only 10 of us here in Congress, and we fully agree with you 100%. Get the hell out of NATO. I said they're going to start in, you know, a false flag. The Polish thing with the drones, that was a false flag. I've spoken to people from other countries and they said there was absolutely no drones whatsoever that flew from Russia

into Poland. And now they go, oh, drones are everywhere, you know, but they're not doing anything. I guess you're just flying around and having a good time. I don't know. You know, taking pictures for, you know, the latest magazine or something. I don't know. I mean, Denmark is now issued a decree that nobody's allowed to have drones and flying them around.

Look, we don't even know. I was up in New Jersey when we had all those drones supposedly flying. around. And I went outside and there was one that flew over, you know, my daughter's house had green lights. It wasn't really that far up. I mean, there's maybe 200 feet above the buildings, but it wasn't secret. It had green lights so you can see it. You know, you know, what happened to all those? Where'd they come from? You know, then you had people, oh,

it was China sending them in from a ship offshore, you know. What was the purpose and what was going on? You know, who knows? I think that was a false flag again. They were trying to get something out of it, but nothing really happened. But I think they're doing the same routine in Europe now with all these, everybody's now suddenly seeing droned everywhere. So I guess that's good enough reason to start World War III.

They sent a drone over my house. Let's go get them. I don't know. But everything that Trump did say is exactly what the new cons are saying, that Russia is on the verge of collapse because there are wonderful sanctions at they have imposed. So it is a paper tiger. Everything Trump said is exactly what the new cons are saying, right down the line,

which makes me think that this was really sarcastic. Yeah, this is everything you people are saying, oh, he can get back all his land, really? They've lost $1.8 million, and that info comes directly from Ukraine, not from Russia. All right. And take more. I mean, this is, you know, delusional. So I have to say that that is more sarcastic. I mean, even if you're saying it's realistic and NATO is going to send in troops

and how many millions are you going to kill to get that extra piece of territory? for what? I mean, the Dumbos, they're Russians. They've been living there for hundreds of years. And I hate to tell you, but one of the biggest debates inside Moscow is who's really Russian. Khrushchev is the one that drew the borders. He's the one that rebuilt Kiev after World War II. He lived there on the borders.

Brezhnev, his successor, was born in the Dombas. Stalin was from Georgia. Then you see what I'm saying, that the debate is, who's really a Russian? You know, so, you know, if Khrushchev and Brezhnev and the whole Cuban missile crisis, well, then it wasn't with Russia. It was Ukraine then, right? It's, you know, who's on first? It's like the old, you know, Abbott and Costello, you know, routine.

But so I think we, you know, we have to be realistic. Europe, I mean, I posted the email that I sent. You know, Europe will not survive, period. And what's happening here is economically Europe is toast. You have UK and France finance ministers hinting they may need an IMF bailout. Carney wants to mimic the EU. I mean, our interim uh parliamentary financial officer am i saying that right regardless it's something along

that lines came out if we if we keep going this way we're toast basically i'm i'm paraphrasing what he said yeah but stoop one of the words he used was stupefying he's just he almost didn't have words if we keep going this way you know and and that's canna and what are we aligning ourselves with europe not with the u.s for the europe look it's Europe is the most regulated pretend democracy, I think, on the planet. And I mean, just look at what Stormer is doing. You know, digital IDs on your phone so that if you said, I hate this, they can lock you up for 22 months.

You know, it's, there is zero respect for human rights anymore over there. Free speech is done, gone. Why? Because they know they are losing power. I mean, as you know, when they were creating the euro, they came to me. I sat down, okay, fine, this is how we create a currency. And I said, you've got to consolidate the debt. And Hermann Cole, you know, opposed that.

And he took Germany into the Euro, didn't allow the German people to vote. He admitted before he died that he would have lost seven or three. So I was told back then, I said, this is not going to work. all right it's going to collapse and i was told we just have to get the euro in we'll worry about the debt issue later it wasn't that they were saying i was wrong and they weren't saying they disagreed or anything like that they just said we just got to get the euro in first and we'll

worry about the debt later and here we are 26 years later not there and people have to understand um As a trader, I can pick up the phone and say, buy me $10 billion worth of U.S. treasuries. No problem. I cannot do that with Europe. In Europe, it's as if the euro doesn't exist. Do I want Germany? Do I want Italy? Do I want France?

You're making the same decision as if the currencies are still there. I mean, that's what I warned them about. Now, when Greece went in got into trouble in 2010, what did the traders do? They made a lot of money short in Greece. Who's next? Oh, Spain. You create a contagion. France is the worst economic position of Europe, and it's the second largest economy.

If they falter, what will happen? because there is no consolidation of the debt. And this is the real problem. All right. Every bank has to have a cornucopia basically of everybody's debt. Like politically correct. Do I have enough of this one, enough of that one, whatever? Equality, you know.

So what will happen is that traders will then look at the balance sheets. who's got the most French debt if they're going to default. And you're going to short that bank. So you're looking at undermining the entire freaking banking system. And then the pension system. None of it is

sustainable. This is what I warned them about in 98. When in one ear and out the other, we just have to get the euro in. It was all about creating the bureaucracy. That's it. Power.

Do they really give a shit about the country, about the people? No. You just interestingly had Merck out of Germany criticized the EU. I was shocked. They're going into areas that they shouldn't be in because all the migrants and stuff. It was supposed to be an economic union. That's why, you know, back with Maggie Thatcher, I said, look, you know, and she knew she was very smart.

She said, this is the back door to federalizing Europe. And, you know, she listened to me and kept the euro, you know, the pound out of the euro. They staged the coup to get rid of her. And then they put the pound into the ERM and preparing to go into the euro. and that was John Major and then Soros attacked because they overvalued the pound oh, to look strong

you know, we're, you know, so what happens? Then they have to call me because I'm the one that was telling Thatcher. Well, you know, what do you think? I said, listen, you know, if you got maybe

10 billion pounds for, you know, a week, maybe you'll be able to hold it. Oh, that's too much. I said, well, devalue. And I was told we can't devalue because John Major ran during the election and promised not to devalue the pound. So I wrote a paragraph. I gave it back to them. I said, okay, fine. Say you're going to allow the pound to float to seek its own level. Oh, brilliant.

It's the same thing. Instead of you doing it, you're saying the market's doing it. But, I mean, this is politician. And so with this whole thing with Euro and Russia and they want more because the European Union is crumbling. And then throughout history, when the state is in danger of collapse, what do they do? They try to find an external enemy. all right what did corny do for the election

oh it's trump trump all right didn't talk about the domestic issues in canada oh did he no he you always do this it's a political strategy

and Europe is doing the same thing that corny did all right it's Putin Putin Putin so then you don't pay attention to the fact that maybe your pensions evaporated all this stuff is going to disappear.

So NATO, you know, somebody said, you know, they're probably going to, you know, they've just added, you just added NATO to the list of people would love to assassinate you. But, you know, they should have been shut down. They're owning an organization that promotes war, not peace. I saw the internal memos when all the money was going to climate change and it was like, you know, how do we remain relevant

to keep the money going? And you can only remain relevant by saying Putin wants to invade Europe. Why? He's not Khrushchev. He's not communist. There's no philosophical issue to do so. Europe has not. all right they got to buy their energy from Russia all right when Japan went into Manchuria it went in for assets for natural resources there's got to be an economic incentive all right Khrushchev was just philosophical you know it

even if Alexander the Great said let's go invade this country Why? Well, I don't like him. What are I getting at it? Oh, nothing. They would have a nice time. Go on yourself, you know. There's got to be some sort of an economic benefit. And Putin has no intention debating Europe. He walks into France and that guy I've said before, the French are just going to say, are you going to pay our pensions now? That's it. There's nothing there for him to gain. you know, this is not an economic conquest or something of that nature. So the only reason for war between Russia and Europe is that they want to be an aggressor. That's it.

They want to capture all the assets, and that's really what is at stake here. If you think this is about Ukraine, you're believing the bullshit. This has got nothing to do with Ukraine, really. Ukraine has just been a pawn. You had Boris Johnson hop on the plane constantly to don't, you're not allowed to sign. He made the front page of Norwegian press publicly saying Britain's in a proxy war with Russia. So you had China. their foreign minister met with Kalis.

I put that on my blog. And she was, you know, she's a ruthless neocon. And saying that, oh, you know, you have to step away from Russia, you know, get them to pull out all this other kind of nonsense. And he said right to her faith. He said, we have no intention allowing Russia to lose. Why? And he said right to her face,

we know we would be next. So this idea that you can take Russia, it's a paper tiger, all this, it's total, total BS. Trump at least has to know that. All right. I spoke to some close people. I guess it was maybe a year, maybe time goes by so fast.

It could have been up to a year and a half ago, whatever. And they were being told that we would be at war with China, not Russia. And at that time, I said, listen, you're being fed a bunch of BS. And it's a diversion. pay attention to Russia. That's where it's at. They didn't believe me. Maybe it took a few months,

three, six months after that. I got calls back, you know, we think you're right. Listen, you know, I look at it from every which angle. I got sources everywhere. You're being bullshitted. You know, and just as,

Corny said, oh, Trump, Trump, Trump, they were telling Congress, China, China, China. So you don't pay attention to what they're doing in Russia, in Europe. I mean, it's, I just know the game. You know, I've just seen it for, for too long. And it's always the same stupid tactic. It's the diversion. Oh, look at the bird over there.

So you don't pay attention to what the gun pointed right to your face. you know when when we've uh i always bring this up with you but you know i always come back to 2032 and the first time i had you on you were talking well before that the first time i ever heard you talk you were talking about 2032 and i was just scratched my head and and then i point to one of the conversations we've had martin where i said how do we get to 232 and you kind of chuckled you're like i don't know like it could be something so small and then you know um charlie Kirk gets shot. And I'm like, well, there's, there's something, you know, like on the whole list of like

problems that all countries are having, uh, with, with just civil unrest, whether it's, you know, the UK, you know, you, you can't say anything on free speech. You're arrested for that. You know, there's, it looks like there's protests almost daily, you know, here in Canada, the cost of living. Um, a whole bunch of different things going on. The judicial system being like, ridiculous, you know, a guy gets, breaks into a house with a crossbow, the guy defends his, you know, with a kitchen knife and he's going to jail. And like, you're just like,

none of this is making sense. And there's more stories and it just goes on and on and on. Charlie Kirk was a big one. You know, like when he gets shot like that, basically on live television, because, I mean, there's so many cameras pointed in his direction. You know, it's almost instantaneous on the social media

of a very graphic man being killed right in front of everyone's eyes. When you saw that, where does your brain go? That I can say this. There is some evidence that's being disputed that there was a second shooter. Look, these things, I believe, was intentional. And it wasn't for something that he said. And they always need a lone gunman.

They did that with, you know, JFK. And now there's other stuff coming out. I have one of the declassified memos or one guy in the CIA told his family that they took out JFK, told his family that he was. in fear of his own life because of that, because he objected and he was shot to death maybe three weeks later. The assassin attempted assassination of Trump, they killed a guy. So that, just like Oswald, because he can't have a trial. All right.

If you had putting Lee Harvey Oswald on the stand, everything else is going to come out. He's got to be dead. Trump got dead. All right. The, you know, I question what is going to happen. I mean, 9-11, you know, when they created Homeland Security, they said, oh, well, some agencies had information, but didn't share it.

The first World Trade Center of guys threw the towers with planes going into them on the wall before. They knew it was there. They arrested her, they arrested their attorney, Lynn Stewart, over passing notes back and forth with them. right they knew but why stop it they get more power suddenly you can't send more than three thousand dollars to somebody without double checking who you are you're going to take off your shoes to get on a plane um all these restrictions every event of this nature they get they benefit from this particular killing of Kirk book

it has been strategic insofar as dividing the country you had even Obama out there saying oh this is all you know, you know, Trump is dividing the country as if he hasn't. You know, it gets to be really absurd, but the whole object of this.

And this is why Trump is suddenly afterwards. He hasn't articulated this, but I can tell you, there are other people that believe what I just said, that this was a deliberate act to divide the country. All of a sudden, afterwards, what is he doing? Looking at charges against Soros, who funds a lot of stuff. Antifa calling it an anti, you know, a terrorist organization. these are all funds that have been orchestrated to divide the country.

You had, you know, basically with the Jewish protests and the tents on the, they were all paid for by a lot of this stuff that came out of various different groups like this. They fund this sort of stuff. The object is to divide the country. And this is what is really behind these globalists. That if they can, Soros has even come out and said, the number one problem is the United States.

It's got to be, you know, basically taken apart. Why? Because they do not want independent sovereignty. This is, just look at what the EU has done. And then look up Merch's comment that he just made. It was more than just economics. Now it was social. You're going to take X amount of migrants.

You're going to do this. They're overriding the cultures of different, of all the members. I was on the phone with Romania. They were instructed now. by the EU to accept another 100,000 migrants. Why? Don't speak to language, no skills. For what purpose?

They will not state it publicly. They think that they can draft these people for war with Russia. Here's a gun. Go over there. But they're not going to fight for Europe. It's stupid. I've warned them. said, you know, there's a lesson from history about this.

The Roman Emperor Valens. The Tilla the Hun was coming across. The God said, can we please come in? Okay, he let him in, trained them, thought he would be able to use them as an army against the Tillah the Huns. Once they learned all the Roman tactics, what did they do? Oh, thank you. They turned around,

waged a war on Rome, and killed him personally in battle. I mean, come on. And you're doing it again with the same theory. We're going to turn all these migrants into soldiers and give them a gun. God help you. They're not going to fight for you. They're already over there burning churches and stuff like this. I mean, it's a completely different culture.

It just, I don't know. The people to make these decisions don't know their history about anything. I just, oh, that's a good idea, you know. You once told me it wasn't civil war, but certainly civil unrest. It kind of spreads. It doesn't know borders, right? It's like an idea can spread. When you look at the UK and everything going on there, do you think that's where it starts

and then spreads out from there? Because everything I'm, you know, now you got Starmer coming out talking about digital ID and that everybody in order to work in the UK is going to need it. And now I think I've seen that there's a petition with, is it, two million signatures saying we don't want this? Yeah. And you go like, okay, so like you look directly at that small chunk of land. How many people are on top of each other and all the civil unrest that has been going on

there since. And you get your fearless leader coming out saying, the way we're going to fix this is digital ID. Yeah, it's more power for them. It's always the same answer. I've worked with governments for 50 years. And basically what I have learned, I mean, when I was younger, I was optimistic. I thought, gee, if I contributed, maybe I could help the country, then you realize you can't.

If I walk in and say, look, if we don't do this, 25 million people will do it. die tomorrow. They will say, well, maybe you're right, but maybe you're wrong. They would rather the 25 million people die. And then vote for me. I'll get the guy that did it. This is the way politics works. If I want to run for Congress and I say to you, vote for me because I saved your job, you're going to look at me and say, well, how do I know I would have lost it? It's better you lose it and then say vote for me i'll get the guy that did it this is politics all right i've learned they will not ever ever do anything proactive period not going to happen you know it's um so then it comes back to the the the conditions to make a bad politician do the right thing how do you create

you know, in your time, how did the conditions get created so that they'll do the right thing? They won't. That's what 2032 is about. Just what Stormer is doing, et cetera, all right? Each step, instead of saying, see, maybe I'm doing something wrong, let me look at it. Look at California. All these people leaving. instead of saying, gee, why are they leaving? Maybe we should change your policies.

Let's punish them. Let's put an exit tax. It's never, ever about them. That's why I say in government, and they're all the same, no matter what country you're going to, there are no mirrors. All right. We are always the problem.

never them and the academics the only one I ever met that thought out of the box was Milton Friedman I was speaking in Chicago and I think it was at the market technicians conference

and he came to listen to me and I was talking about capital flows and foreign exchange and all this And when I was done, he came up and he says, you know, that was the best speech I ever heard. And I'm like, excuse me? Yeah. And then he said, you're doing what I just dreamed about. And I hadn't realized at that time.

But he had written in 1953 his theory of a floating exchange rate and how it would put checks and balances on government, which is what I was talking about, the capital flows. and you know, they will go to a country that's confident and leave ones that won't. And that's what he meant. What I was doing was what he just dreamed about in 1953. Fuling exchange rate didn't come to 71. But he was the only one that thought out of the box. The rest of them are all, I mean, Keynes, it's really Marxism. Okay, we won't take their property, but we'll still manipulate them raising lower taxes or interest rates.

It's all, we're the problem. Every one of these economic theories, just look at them. We are the problem. How can government manipulate us to achieve their goals? They don't look at government. The sad state of affairs. but it's human nature. A guy starts a business

and he wants to expand it, maybe even turn it into several places and then maybe franchise it. Okay? He is building his business. Those same ideas and emotion all right that I just described from somebody privately

put them in government. They do the same thing. Oh, let's expand. I need more power. Let's get more control this way. It's always the same. It's human nature. You just put them in government

and they're going to expand it. So to me, 2032, in Republic, all right, we should have the right to direct vote, kind of like the two million people objecting in UK. If we all can buy from Amazon securely, why can't we vote securely? And we should be asked those questions. Shall we go to war

with Russia? Yes or no. We should make the decisions. Not some guy, you know, smoking a cigar and getting it, you know, his pockets lined by other people in the back room. But this is what they do. Does Carney really represent the Canadian people? No. You know, Zelensky. I mean, we had offices with staff in Kiev and in Donnes on both sides. All right.

They do not believe Zelensky was fairly elected. They think the election was rigged. surprise surprise i mean ukraine's listed as one of the most corrupt countries in the world you stuck him in there and then what do they do they suspend elections and he just even recently came out and said i'll leave when the war is done i was told and you can look it on my blog back then um i warned when he was elected i said All my sources are saying this is the guy that was hand-picked to create World War III. I believe he was a neo-Nazi.

He married a Christian girl. His children are baptized. He pretended to be a Christian just like Soros. After become president, suddenly he's Jewish. Why? Oh, well, if I'm Jewish, I couldn't have been a Jewish. a neo-Nazi. It's a cover-up. I got tapes.

You can look on my sight of him standing up as a comedian before president. Joking about confiscating the assets of Russians and Jews. People I know from Israel say, he is no Jew. It's all facade.

You know, that's what you're looking at. And he's a dictator. Then you take Ursula. The way the EU was structured. It was deliberately structured to prevent democracy.

Google her. Look on Wikipedia. She has never stood for an election for anything. Not even class clown. Nothing. All right. Yet, she has the audacity to call Putin the

dictator. And Zelenskyy's not a dictator, right? To spend the elections. But, you know, she's never been elected to anything. all right the whole EU upper echelon nobody's elected

you even know who some of these people are they hide in the shadows so I can tell you they basically take the justification or Aristotle

Plato and look, back then you can read that they were anti-democracy. Why? Because they felt that the people were too stupid and you had to have some expertise to be the head of state. So they use that. See, the people are too stupid so we should eliminate democracy

because they don't know, as they say, they're asked from a hole in the ground. And this is it. This is their philosophy. And just look at the EU. You have no ability to vote these people even out of office. Carney, was there a preliminary election? Did the people vote that he should be representing?

No. He's just appointed and stuck in. You know, at RFK in the United States, I warned him. They're not going to let you on a Democratic ticket. Oh, come on. How could they do that? I said, what I'm hearing, nobody's going to be allowed on the ticket to challenge Biden.

They didn't let them on. Then he had some deep state person saying, oh, he can win by independence. I said, I'm sorry. my computer says, you don't stand a prayer in hell of winning. If you want to make a difference, join Trump.

Only after New York wouldn't allow him on the ticket there to be an independent candidate, he finally saw what I said and joined Trump. Wouldn't allow him. There was nobody allowed to challenge Biden. It was the same thing you just got. We don't want the people to make a decision.

Screw them. They're too stupid to understand. This is the attitudes of some of these people, I'm telling you. So Europe will break up. Why? Because you have no right to eliminate the people that are supposed to be running the government. When government fails to understand that they are the servants of the people, people, the only possible solution is civil unrest. And civil unrest can play out in a lot of different ways. Or does it...

Look, it doesn't always have to be violent. You know, you had an attempted coup in Russia. And, you know, and Yeltsin stood on the tank and said, don't fire on your own people. They didn't. The coup failed. Okay, so most of the time it does turn upon the military or the police. Right now in Britain, you're seeing these judges and the police arresting people for, you know, one guy, you, oh, you asked him if he can, you know, can you speak English? That's a hate crime. Really?

or the the guy walking around in Britain with a British flag right yeah like the coming out of Britain there's so many Martin the guy calling the one one person a Muppet and then you're like really this is where we're at but this is where we're at I mean you know when when I go back over all of our conversations here in Canada the ostrich farm could you have ever predicted that that would cause such a stir I kind of from a farming background. You talk about them coming and culling animals. There is farmers in this aerial. They'll talk about mag cow. They'll talk about elk coming in and then quarantined and just done. And yet it's ostriches of all things. And I'm not against what's happening. To me, I'm just

like, I come back to our conversations. I'm like, how it'll happen? You go, I don't know how it'll happen. I'm just telling you that this is the way it's supposed to play out or this is what the the computer says, and I'm like, okay. And the more and more it goes along, you know, what's caused a lot of civil unrest here in Canada? It's been an ostrich farm. And them sending upwards of 100 officers to put down a whole bunch of birds who are now,

from what I can tell, healthy, right? Because they've gotten through whatever hit them. Meanwhile, you've got a kid missing in about five hours south, seven hours south, something like that. And they could probably go help with 100 officers to go save a child Instead, they're sitting and working 24-7 to make life extremely difficult on a group of farmers who don't want to lose their animals. And that has become national news. Are they saying what the backstory is?

On the farm? Yeah, about COVID and stuff like that. As far as the farm or as far as the news? The news about the ostracists. one of the rumors are that they've been um they're immune to covid and stuff like that and they've been testing um to get something that uh the pharmaceutical company does not want hmm well it's it's possible like i know i know that talking to the farmers they have been very much of like we could learn from these birds they survive something go and

and start testing them and learning. Yeah. And that and look, I, when I was in in Japan, a guy came in and he said, he wanted us to look at, um, creating a company for him. I said, well, I really don't get into, well, I said, why are you coming to me?

He had a scooter with a magnetic engine. that he created. And I asked to, I said, he said, keep it. Write it around. And I asked, why are you coming to me? He said, he went to all the major auto industries.

And they all basically offered them like 50 million bucks or something. And he says, but nobody wants to produce it. Why? because it changes the industry. Oil industry, a lot of these things gone. And it's not electric cars. It was all magnetic.

I mean, this is what you get. I mean, they try to, you know, they wanted to buy it from him to stick it on a shelf. So it's never seen again. That's what I've heard about the ostrich. The ostrichs. So when you look at the ostrichs, you go, they're going to find something out.

They don't want to have. out there. Right. So let's go cull them all. There's a legal precedent in, you know, with, with livestock to go in and do just that. So let's just use that means in a way we go. And on the flip side, with starting to, as more people stand firm of like, no, we're not, we're not allowing this to happen. It's exposing that more and more.

Yeah. It's just, what's the big diva killing ostriches? Why? You know, you're not getting bird flu and stuff. I mean, come on. What's the issue? Why do you have to kill them? Ask why.

You're coming to Regina. You're coming to Saskatchewan here in October. Yeah. Me, I looked at a list. I'm like, holy Mac, Martin's coming back. What is it about Western Canada? Now, I have to, you know, thank you again for coming to the Cornerstone Forum back in May and Calgary. But now you're coming to Saskatchewan.

And people didn't know that. I'll post the link of where you can grab tickets. for it, but you're coming back to Western Canada. You're coming to Saskatchewan this time. What is it about Western Canada that you think, you know, you're circling on your calendar going, this is important? Because Canada will split up.

And it will be West versus East. I've said that 20 years ago. And it's, as I said, was at your place. When they created the Federal Reserve, you had 12 branches. Why? Because you have regional different economies and cash flows. When they were raising interest rates in Toronto because of the real estate, so the central bank was raising real estate because the real estate, I mean, raising interest rates because of the real estate speculation back in the 80s, they're putting farmers and miners into bankruptcy in the West.

One size does not fit all. And that was adopted by Roosevelt to sell the new deal. You can look at a newspaper or newspaper.com or whatever. Call up a newspaper from 1920s. Every Federal Reserve branch had a different interest rate. It was to manage the regional capital flows. And Roosevelt wanted to create his new deal, and he had to do it by force. So you surped all the power of the Federal Reserve and stuck it in Washington.

All right. Canada followed suit. This is the problem. In maybe one country, but the West is a different economy from the East. The same way as, you know, you have, you know, Midwest produces commodities. I mean, that's why the commodity exchange ended up in Chicago.

For cattle and beef and grain. I mean, that's where it was traded, because that's where it was. New York was the financial center. All this was just created for socialism to get it through. And it's tearing everything apart. To the West will, you know, separate from the East. I mean, it's inevitable.

And then you have Carney, who was one of the authors of Net Zero. you know and you really think he's changed his stripe no um look these people just they believe this nonsense like it's a religion you can't talk to them i mean you can go on my site we've got daily temperature back to you know 1800 from new york city just look at the chart is there global warming It does not show it. Simple is that. The climate has always changed. There's been warming periods.

There's been cooling periods. When you get the warming periods, that's when empires rise. You get the cooling periods. That's when empires fall. Crops fail, diseases take place. You got crazy people. I mean, look, even got Bill Gates,

oh, we'll put particles up to block the sun. Okay, and then you get two or three volcanoes, and guess what? You just killed humankind and most of the things on the planet because no sun can get through now? I mean, these, you know, I don't know. Here in Florida, I mean, we get a red tide, which is in the Gulf, which is a, like a bacteria

and a politician. Oh, vote for you. for me, I'll make sure there's no red tide. These is all created by farmers and their chemicals. I just Googled it. What was the first one? 1642 reported by the Spanish. I think that was before there were farmers or chemicals in Florida.

But I don't know. Do we have the world's worst possible people in these positions? They're just idiots. I mean, I've got, you know, clips, outclips from the Marcus Vetter's movie on the forum. You know, there's Bolsonaro, which you didn't put in the film, going, these people are all crazy. They put him in jail for 27 years because, why?

Because they don't like what he said. The left is always, always, historic. more violent. Why? Because they present themselves as the victim. They have been victimized by the right. The right tends to be more of the people that defend against traditional values, the status quo, whatever. They don't start the revolutions. All revolutions come from the left. You know, every one of them. Um, look, historic example. Just compare the American Revolution and the French Revolution. Why did the American Revolution lead to a stable republic?

And France did not. Okay, they're in their fifth Republic. Very simple. The French, it was a leftist movement. They started guillotining every, everybody that had, you know, two cents more than the other guy. Confiscated all the property from the Catholic Church, executed priests. It was a leftist agenda.

Kill everybody's got more than me. All right. It never was able to be a stable republic. U.S. didn't do that. It was about liberty from Britain. That was it. Okay, it wasn't a class warfare thing. In France, it was utter class warfare.

And then you see what the net result was. When you get into this leftist thing, you're dividing everybody. I hate him because he's got more than me. You don't work as a country anymore. It's done. The more you separate that, the whole purpose of civilization, All right. Civil, okay, is that you have a court. The court is unbiased and it settles all disputes. So we settle them civilly. When there is no more rule of law, you can no longer trust the government. All that's out the window. No government has ever been able to stand when the rule of law collapses. It's anarchy then. Completely.

I mean, these are simple facts from history. And wouldn't you agree the rule of law is people have lost trust. I just speak for Canada. You watch things coming out of the judicial system across the country. People don't trust it anymore. Oh, yeah, no. Same thing in the United States. You know, they use the law that way after Trump.

The judge that gets picked miraculously, his daughter is on Camilla's promotion team. I mean, come on. I mean, look at France. They go after Marie Le Penh, going after Bolsonaro. I mean, this is the hallmark of what we're going into 2032. All these governments will fail. They have lost the right and the dignity to, even be in charge. You can't be in charge. You know, you're not civil anymore. That's it.

Civilization is when everybody comes together because it's more beneficial to be together. It collapses when you're dividing all the groups and then it's no longer together. Simple as that. It comes together and it goes back and forth. We go from civilization to suburban. Then we go from suburban back to civilian to urbanization. It goes back and forth cyclically throughout history. When Rome fell, you went into serfdom. Why? Okay, because there is no longer a centralized government to protect you. So you

went to a guy who had a castle, I will work for you. You protect me. Okay. That's what serfdom was. A threat came, you all ran behind the curtains, you know, the walls of the castle. Because there was no longer a centralized government to provide that. To protect the people. When that happens, it's gone. You think we're going back into a serfdom then? No, but you will end up breaking up, yes.

I don't see serfdom as, as, issue. I mean, even with slavery, oh, free the slaves. You have to understand. Even people like Jefferson, who was more or less everybody had human rights, you can't just say, okay, fine, I'll leave, you're free. Where are they going to get a job? There was no Starbucks. you know if you look at it the vast majority of of the slaves went free stayed where they were so now they got paid all right the economy was 70% agrarian there wasn't you know a place really per se industrial revolution is really just taking place 100 years later fine you know you want to be in on agriculture dropped to with the combustion engine,

agriculture then dropped down to about 3%. But even in the Great Depression, what made it so great was that 40% of the population were still working on farm. And when he ended up with a dust bowl and didn't matter, you couldn't grow anything, that's why unemployment went to 25%. It wasn't the factories.

agriculture. By 1980, the agricultural job was down to 3%. So it's always a transition. Economies are always maturing and growing in different ways. Now we have AI taking place that will further expand the economy in different ways as well. if you're looking at you know like one of the guiding principles of the cornerstone forum is is trying to navigate a troubled world right like just trying to figure out ways you know you know like 2032 has become this kind of like far off not that far off anymore but that far

off like point of like okay there's going to be turmoil between here and there how do we navigate that when you're talking about individual people starting to realize, or maybe they've known this for a long time, there's going to be a lot of problems coming. And they're already here in many senses. Where do you look to when people are trying to navigate this of things to pay attention to or places to, you know, you're worried about your money?

Like where do you focus them to look at and pay attention to or even to maybe explore. Well, I think, you know, basically what you're looking at is that's why gold's been going up. You know, people, you have some of the gold only crowd. They think that, oh, only gold is going to go up and everything else goes down. No. I've said many times. All right.

So you see the stock market going up and gold. All right. And you'll see the dollar rise as well. All right. It's capital flows. People trying to get out of Europe. Some are going into, you know, some of the big institutions. They go into the stocks.

Because at least they get a dividend. They don't get a dividend from gold. All right. Gold, it's interesting. Although it's up making new highs, we don't see the people who's clamoring and frothing at the mouth for gold. It's not like it was in 1980 lines out the doors and stuff like that. A lot of people are still more into the NVIDIA stocks, stuff like that. You get a transition.

So for the individual, I think Europe is the biggest danger. And you're going to, you're risk there in Canada with Carney if he attempts to do the same things that Europe does. So I'd be keeping on on that. Europe is trying to push through a CBDC by October, I think more realistically by

January, but their end goal here is to cancel the currency, all-paper currency, and force you into a digital currency so that when the first bullet is shot, you can't. can't get any money out. They will clamp down. They will most likely, you know, I just did a piece on the private blog about it, but, you know, in World War I and World War II, they put restrictions on gold. I would expect Canada may end up, if, If Carney tries to follow, Europe, pay attention to that. Europe will, you already have Spain declaring you can't take out more than $3,000

euros out of your account without government permission. So each step, they're moving faster and faster, closer to totalitarianism. and that is their solution because they know the economy is going against them. And so Europe will go to the CBDCs. When the first bullet goes, they're going to put all kinds of clamps down, so you can't get any money out. They'll probably even shut down Bitcoin over there. they will not allow competition.

And like I said, they probably from a European standpoint, maybe look at gold stocks, gold stocks at least continued to trade during World War 1 and 2. So even when you couldn't get the gold, you could, you could, you could do the stock. So I would expect some more of the Europeans maybe to go into that area. But for the individual, I think, you know, some gold coins, things of that nature. Is getting some money off the grid and neutral.

that's why central banks have been mainly China's been acquiring that because after you know the Biden administration took Russia out of the Swift what happened was that at 10 off a red flagged everybody else and then you have Lincoln even threatened China if you help Russia will do the same to you and they said oh really they start dumping U.S. debt and moving the gold. And they set up bricks. It's not about a gold-back currency. It's just that they moved to gold because they were the largest holder of U.S. debt.

They had 10%. And then if you go to war with China or you think they're going to pay, they'll default on it. So they're not stupid. China starts dumping U.S. debt and moving to gold. Not anybody else is dead. They don't want Euro either. Or a Canadian. They're moving to gold because it's neutral.

They don't care. At that point in time, it doesn't matter. Who wins the war? You just want to be neutral. Tangible assets end up surviving. Even the German hyperinflation. When they created a new currency in 1925, it was backed by real estate. So those are the things that survive.

So look to things that survive. Yeah, you don't want government debt. Forget that. Get the hell out of that shit. And look, I mean, if General Motors went bust, and you own their debt, you still get something back. It goes to auction and they sell the assets. If a government goes bust, you get nothing back.

It's totally unsecured. Zero. You can buy the bonds on eBay. They look nice framed up. Martin, I appreciate you coming on and doing this. And once again, you're going to be in Regina, October 18th. So if anybody wants to come see you in Western Canada specifically, although I'm sure, you know, there's people listening all across Canada to know you're coming back here.

I'm going to be speaking at the Prairie Rising Form. Once again, I'll put it in the show notes. But I look forward to seeing you again in person. That was a real treat on my end. I think I've spoken a lot on this show about that. I know I've told you many a time about how much it was a pleasure to meet you in person. But to have you coming back to Saskatchewan this time, once again, October 18th. I look forward to seeing you in person and getting to have another conversation.

Either way, thanks for hopping on and doing this today. And look forward to having you back on here at some point. And you're joking about getting a tan in Florida if the bombs go off. Hopefully that scenario doesn't play out. Either way, look forward to seeing you again here very soon. But thanks again for hopping on. And I will be in BC. I'm going to do Mike Campbell's in February.

There you go. Okay, so Saskatchewan and BC. Shout out to Michael Campbell. Michael Campbell is the reason I know who you are. So I have a ton of time. I had Mike on the show, you know, once upon a time here. Forgive me, folks.

I should be having Michael back on because, you know, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't know who you are. So that'll be super cool for people of the money talks world that you're going to be in person in February. That's coming in the middle of winter, dangerous, Martin. I know. it's dangerous. Vancouver's maybe not as bad as Evanston. Fair enough. Thanks again.

I've been to when it was 40 below. You can even open your mouth. They get your teeth hurt. Thanks again, Martin, for hopping on. All right. Thank you.