Shaun Newman Podcast - #934 - Shawn & Teresa Buckley

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Shawn Buckley is a Canadian lawyer specializing in constitutional, criminal, and regulatory law. He founded Buckley & Company Law in 1995, focusing on Health Canada litigation, particularly under the Food and Drugs Act concerning natural health products (NHPs). Shawn is also the founder of the Natural Law Alliance (a non-profit advocating for health freedoms) and a founding member and lead counsel for the National Citizens Inquiry.Teresa Buckley works alongside Shawn in advocacy efforts, particularly through the Natural Health Product Protection Association (NHPPA). She is involved in public education and grassroots campaigns to safeguard access to herbs, supplements, and homeopathic remedies. Together they have embarked on The Health Charter Tour: A cross-Canada campaign to rally public support for a "Health Charter" – a proposed framework to constitutionally enshrine rights to natural health choices.Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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I'm joined by Sean and Teresa Buckley. So this should be some fun today. I mean, you guys are doing a cross Canada tour. I'm fortunate enough to house you for a podcast. And then, of course, by the time this. releases you have already done your show here in Lloyd Minster, but regardless, you're coming across Canada, and I just want to talk to you guys a bit about it. So first off, thanks for being here. Thanks, Sean. Yeah, no, I'm really pleased to be here. Actually, finally see your studio,

although I apparently are having a new one soon. Yes, I am, yes, and I look forward to when we finally get that, and the audience will laugh at me. We've been working at it for now. It'll be a year, And I always think, like, this should have been done like four months ago, but so be it. It's close. Now, before we get into today's conversation, you guys probably don't know this, but anyone who comes in studio gets a one ounce silver coin. And as we're sitting here, that sucker, you know, when I had Daniel Smith on here years ago and she was in studio, or maybe that was a year ago now, you know, I was like, I don't even know if you could accept this. She said, I can accept gifts up to like $500. What's this worth? And I remember saying, oh, just under $50. Well, that thing now is $72 Canadian. So like,

it's a... Thank you. That's very generous. Well, silver gold bowl is one of the major sponsors of the show and one of the things we do, anyone who comes in studio gets a silver coin. Well, thank you. Yeah. So we're here to talk about your guys as the greatest show, a health show

Canada's ever seen. Walk me through this. How's it been going? I don't even know what question is that. I'm like, you folks have been doing the tour. Start from the beginning. Let's do the history then. Sure. So we're with the Natural Health Product Protection Association.

And just our natural products are called Natural Health Products. So we're just NHPPA. And we're the last group left standing whose sole object is to protect our access to natural health products. And in 2008, the Harper government had just brought in an initiative that was really going to knock us out. and, you know, us and a bunch of other groups had organized, and we had defeated it. But with Health Canada, it's almost like you're against the communist Chinese government. They plan in 100 years.

So if you resist an initiative, all they do is back off and wait. They wait until, you know, the heat goes down, and then they're back at it again. And it's how do you win a war of attrition when you're always on the defensive? You know, to you then a win is just not to, lose too much. Like the last year and a half, we've lost a lot, for example. And, you know, we'd feel like we've won if we just stop, you know, the last part of the self-care framework that we're fighting. So we held some conferences. We held two conferences. We had practitioners, manufacturers, consumers, stores, you name it. And just ask the question, how do we solve this?

How do we actually solve it so we're not fighting to have basic nutrition? Because when we're talking about natural health products, most of it is just basic nutrition. And so the answer was, well, let's just put into law that we've got a right to these things. So the first thing the Charter of Health Freedom does, it just sets out the rights that are courts say we have. It doesn't create a single one. It just says, listen, Canadians have these rights. And there's no subject to clause in the Charter of Health Freedoms. It just says we have these rights. They're paramount. The federal government has to adhere to them. And there shouldn't be a subject to clause in the common law. It says we have these. They're basic rights. They're not

excessive, but they're basic rights that just allow us to have control over our bodies. We don't have control over anything else. We better not lose control over our bodies. So it sets those out. And then it does something interesting. It creates some legal presumptions. Now, these are new, and one of them, for example, is that the best source of information as to whether or not a treatment works for a person is the person. And this is really important. So if you're in the medical system and they're wanting to override you, this protects you,

or if the government's taking away a treatment you rely on, this protects you. Because what happens is if the government's taking away a treatment you rely on, so then it's going to be a natural treatment because our system's structured where all the legal treatments for Sears Health conditions are novel chemicals. almost without exception, that's the case.

And this is by design. So if you're relying on a natural remedy and the government's taking it away and you're one of this tiny sliver of Canadians that can actually afford financially to go against the Department of Justice Machine, what they'll do is they'll bring in usually about three experts on this topic

to say, oh, well, actually you have this condition and there's no disagreement over what you're conditioning. is here are the approved treatments. Here's the science behind those approved treatments. And the treatment that you want to use, it isn't proven, it doesn't work at snake oil, and you need to be on the approved treatments. Well, the only reason you're on something else is they didn't work, or the side effects weren't tolerable.

The only reason you're in-court fighting is because your life depends on it. And you can lose there and then die. So that's nonsense. We shouldn't have to go against a Department of Justice. machine to prove against, you know, an army of experts what works for us. And then one thing where I'll talk about the health show in a minute, but I just think it's important for us to first go there is the government has control over our food supply. So the Canadian Food Inspection Agency and Health Canada have absolute control over our

food supply. and almost everyone my age who's listening, you know, we all trusted the government. Like 20 years ago, even 20 years ago, the idea that you couldn't just go to a supermarket and trust that your food was safe was a foreign idea to almost everyone. And now the reality is,

and if you watch this online health show, you'll get it. The reality is, is could our food supply be more toxic without the entire population reacting. It's almost like, well, where's that line where we can have so many chemicals in our food, such a toxic load, and not have the populace react? That's where we're at. Everyone listening, just to pick glyphosate as an example,

everyone listening, if we tested your blood, there's glyphosate in you. Well, I mean, it causes cancer. It leeches the minerals from you. It destroys your gut bacteria. It's like, I expect that there's not a person in Canada that actually remembers what it's like to be healthy. It's like we're on a walking journey

and the government has placed a hundred pound weight in a knapsack and put it on our back. We're able to walk. We're able to walk all day. We're able to go up hills if we're still healthy. But we don't know what it's like not to have that weight on our back. All of us are loaded with toxic chemicals

that are interfering with these trillions of chemical reactions that's happening in our body every minute. and we don't know what it's like to be healthy anymore. But the other insiduous thing about the government having control over our food supply is, and this may sound revolutionary to some people out there, but the reality is there's certain nutrients the body needs to be healthy. Who knew? Well, actually, we all know.

And in fact, there's a list of essential nutrients. We were doing a live event in Vancouver last week, and Udo or Rasmith, basically the, you know, grandfather of teaching us about bad fats and good fats and that we need omega's threes and sixes. He crashes the event and asks, you know, innocently, hey, can I speak? Like, of course you can speak. And he's talking about essential nutrients.

And he says, if you're missing a single one, you'll die. Like you'll get sick and then you'll die. Like we're talking essential nutrients. You can't get them in our food supply anymore. And they used to be there. You could be healthy by eating. The U.S. Department of Agriculture does regular surveys of our fruits and vegetables and grains and the like. And they've documented, like, for 100 years, it's just gone down and down and down.

And I think it was, I could be wrong on the air, I think it was their 1949 report, where they go out of their way to say, you know, sound the alarm, and then basically list, you know, if you're missing this nutrient and this nutrient and this nutrient, here's the chronic illness you get. nutrient and this nutrient. Here's the chronic illness, you guess. We are in Canada chronically malnourished. If you're not supplementing with vitamins and minerals, you better get some advice and you better start doing it

because you're heading to chronic illness. There's no ifs, buts, ors, we're malnourished. Even if you're eating raw, if you're eating organic, you can't get what you need anymore. And this is by design. And then what our government-funded healthcare system does, is it treats the symptoms, the symptoms of our chronic illness,

the majority of which is caused by our food supply, with novel chemicals, synthetic chemicals. And it's almost like asking, going to a doctor, a medical doctor, for a chronic illness, is almost like asking a blind person to help you across a busy intersection. you know, because we truly are chronically sick because we're being malnourished.

And that's coming out writ large in the show. Just, you know, to give you an example that isn't life and death, one of the people that presents at the show is a young mom. And she's got two young kids at home. She develops what's called Restless Leg Syndrome. That's what her medical doctor diagnosed her with. So she's got Restless Leg syndrome. And especially at night, if she gets off of her legs, as she describes it,

it's like there's electrical shocks going into the legs and the muscles are twitching. And that's why it's called Restless Leg Syndrome, which she can't sleep. The only way to stop them from twitching, to stop this shocking feeling, is to walk. So she's up all night walking. Every night, she's up all night walking. She's getting fatigued. She's her immune system. crashing because she's not getting sleep.

Her mood sucks. The whole family is in distress. She's losing the ability to care for her kids. And her medical doctor is saying, well, we don't have a treatment for restless leg syndrome. So he was trying to put her on a Parkinson's drug. She looks at the side effects and quite reasonably decides there's no way she's going on this Parkinson's drug. And I'm going to get to another story with Karen Peters in a second,

but I'm just trying to make a point on nutrition. So this young mom, basically, the medical system, the doctor was going to put her on a Parkinson's drug, which literally would destroy her life. It wouldn't solve the problem. A friend says, well, go to a naturopathic doctor. She goes to a naturopathic doctor who puts her on magnesium by glyphate, and it's gone in a day.

she was having a magnesium deficiency and Sean you know as I've been interviewing medical doctors in the know for the show naturopaths homeopathic doctors nutritionists it's kind of like in that world it's so obvious if you have muscle twitching the first thing you try is magnesium it's so obvious it's like somebody saying

oh my gosh I'm dehydrated well drink something right So why does the medical doctor know this? Why was the medical doctor going to put her on a Parkinson's drug? I interviewed, and I don't know how many medical doctors are presenting in the show, because I'm not the only one interviewing, but I interviewed three, and all three of them have over 40 years of experience.

Two of them also became homeopathic doctors, and each had practiced at least 25 years as both a medical doctor. and homeopathic doctor and a third one Dr. Rona just became an expert nutrition. And I asked them, like, how much training as medical doctors did you get nutrition? And like two hours, half a day. So think about this for a minute. So the human body needs vital nutrients to be healthy. You can argue all you want, it's the truth.

and some of those we call them essential nutrients. If you're not getting them, you will die, but before that you get chronically sick. And we can actually predict which chronic illnesses you're going to get. And medical doctors aren't trained in this while we're in a country where you cannot get the vital nutrients you need your food supply. You can't.

It's impossible. You must be supplementing. Well, how is it that in our government-funded medical system, which we all pay for, which is we've all been taught, well, these are the expert, these are our medical gods, these are the people we go to when you're sick.

They're not even trained to identify what malnutrition looks like. You know, I saw a presentation years ago by Dr. Carolyn Dean. She was a medical doctor, and she was doing a presentation. And isn't it funny? I even say medical doctor

because then she's going to have more credibility when I actually think that our medical doctors, we should change our minds and they should have the least credibility. Like, because it's literally, if you go to them for chronic illness, no word of a lie, it's like asking a blind person to help you across a busy street, because they don't know. So, but she's doing a presentation, and she's got up on the screen the symptoms of heart disease.

And then she puts up on the screen the symptoms of magnesium deficiency. Sean, they were identical. So how many people are being treated for magnesium deficiency, or treated for heart disease when they have magnesium deficiency. Like, I mean, it's a good question. And how many Canadians are on Parkinson's drugs when they have a magnesium deficiency? At the Grand Prairie event, now this wasn't a new, well, but it is a nutrition story because it was solved with nutrition. So Karen Peters is speaking, and she was suffering with rheumatoid arthritis.

And her story is really bothering me because not just because of the suffering, like the swelling and pain that she was in, but because of what her doctor told her. Is her doctor told her, she shared with us, this is incurable. And it's going to get worse. You're going to end up in a wheelchair and then it's going to kill you. That's what the doctor told her. So basically you have a terminal illness. What you're looking forward to now is just suffering and dying. and he put her on two drugs.

So he put her on, if I recall correctly, hydroxychloroquine, which, you know, as an anti-inflammatory. And then he put her on the second one was a chemotherapy drug. I think it was mexotrextate. And so for a full year, weekly, she is injecting herself with a chemotherapy drug, which she explained just did what predictably chemotherapy drugs do is wiped her out for three or four days a week.

She's in chronic pain. She's chronically sick. She's suffering, you know, emotionally and spiritually because she's being told, this is your life, except it's going to get worse. Like every day it's going to get worse, and then you're going to be in a wheelchair and die. And I'm angry. I'm angry. How many people, is it 10,000?

Is it 50,000? Is it 100,000? Is it more? Is it 500? How many Canadians? with rheumatoid arthritis are injecting, getting injected with chemotherapy drugs every week.

I wonder. But she got fed up and she, again, it was a friend, said you got to go see a naturopathic doctor. She was skeptical. I said, oh, you know, because for her it's all medical doctors, all medical doctors.

So she's actually looking and she finds a naturopathic doctor who was a medical doctor. So I don't know if he's still practicing as a medical doctor, but he was a medical doctor and then became a naturopathic doctor. And that gave him enough credibility for her. For her to go in.

Yeah, it was enough for her to go in. So she goes in and she shares the first thing she shares with the guy is, I have an incurable illness. And the naturopathic doctor says to her, well, there is no illness that's incurable. And then he cures her with diet. and natural supplements. So herbs.

And she's perfectly fine. She's not suffering. She's not on any drugs. She's not facing a wheelchair. She's not dead. And she's not dead. And I'm getting angry, Sean. I'm getting, like, I'm surprised.

Like when we decided to put on this health show. And the reason was is we thought, okay, we've got this health charter. And we've been collecting signatures on a paper petition. Well, we've got 150,000 of them. So we just thought we better enter them. We're the third largest paper petition in Canadian history. And we can't just enter them.

Then that's like a one-day event. So let's drive them across Canada. Can people still sign it? Oh, yeah, yeah. We've got. Absolutely. So go to nhPP.org or Google Charter of Health Freedom. It has its own website, charter of health freedom.

Well, I'd like to see it become the largest part. Well, yeah. That's going to be tough because the Bill of Rights got a lot of signatures. I forget how many it was. I forget now. I'd have to Google it. But I'd like it to become the largest, too, because 70% of us use these.

But just back to what we were doing, we just thought, well, we can't just answer them. This is history. So let's drive them across the country, holding events like the one we're having in Lloyd tonight. But their paper petitions. Their paper petitions. Because when it started, they didn't have electronic signature.

And you can't have both. And then we thought, well, why don't we broadcast a health show? during the day because, you know, if we're just holding events every other day at night, it's hard to keep people engaged. But if we broadcast a health show during the day, so, well, that, because we're on the road, we had to do a lot of pre-taping. So part of the health show is live. We do an opening in the morning that's live.

We do the live events at night. There can be some other live content during the day, but we're pre-taping these. I didn't, I had no idea how it was going to be affected. Well, as a guy who puts on things and, does things and does live events and everything. I can just imagine how much work has gone into it from all Canadians who use supplements and are concerned about their health and others. My hat's off to you because I think it's really important what you're doing.

I'm going to deviate just for a second because I didn't think about this, Sean. You've been on the show lots. Tracy, I don't think you've ever been on here before. So I'm like skipping past my hosting duties by at least not giving people an understanding who's sitting across from Sean, maybe you just share a few minutes of who Teresa is for people who are wondering. I know there's a lot of people who know who you are, but before we get back on subject. I'm like the secret agent. Do you want me to introduce you? Yeah. Sean can introduce you. So I got a lot of notoriety because I was in front of the camera at the National Citizens Inquiries.

But Teresa set up and ran their communications. And, you know, she came in about six weeks before the hearings started, which would have been end of February, 2023. By the summer of 2023, we had had 28 million social media impressions. Like, she just rocked on that. And then after the first set of hearings, she basically took over the management of it until the end of the Edmonton hearings this year. So she's probably done more than any other single person as a volunteer.

I would agree. Yeah. No, no, I know. But she's not behind the camera. And Sean, it's really funny because, you know, we're together. And then Teresa's still trying to figure out how to navigate this as people come up. Oh, you're, you know. Oh, Sean.

Thank you for all the work you did. I was like, oh, it must be time. And Teresa's right here, you know, and it's kind of like, hmm. Well, and then I'll get that. Well, you know, behind every successful man is like a really good woman. like, well, you know, it may actually be the other way around. I'm not sure. Well, I guess from a married couple standpoint, how cool, I mean, like, how cool has been to share the road together and, like, to be doing this together? I assume it has its hiccups. It's grueling. Yeah. It's not easy.

The problem is that NCI was so demanding that we really have had an unbalanced life for a good three and a half years now, I'd say. We would wake up at three in the morning and discuss it. And then we would wake up at 7 in the morning and discuss it. And then it would be about 1230 at night and we'd be discussing it. So it was hard to, it was hard. And that was just the logistics of the organization. Yeah. And navigating that and navigating different personalities and everything. And we're all just volunteers. Like we're volunteers. Like Sean, Sean volunteered for three years, full time. I volunteered probably for about two and a half, full time and a half. And I mean, it, it, but it, there was something about it where we had, it was like we both had no choice.

Like there wasn't a decision to actually participate. It was just, it was something that just had to be done. Like, we had to do it. And at the end, when we decided to, that we were, we were done, it wasn't really, even a decision that we had made saying that we were done, we felt as if we were released. And not in a bad way, not in a good way, just that it was just time. That assignment was finished? Yeah, like for our participation.

Not necessarily with, you know, what may happen as a result. I don't think God's even started to use that NCI testimony yet. He hasn't even started. He hasn't even started. He hasn't started with the commissioners. report. I mean, it's, yeah. And isn't it wonderful? Like, isn't it crazy good? If anyone wants to see it there. There was, so there was something about recording. There was something about recording. My great, my great, great grandfather, my great

grandfather owned a printing press company in Bristol, England at the time of right before the war and during the war. And they had produced a book. book called Marden, Son and Hall. They were the Bristol bombing. They lost, I think, three out of five buildings. And the other ones were hit also. And it was the largest printing press company in England. And I stumbled across this one book back in 2007 on eBay,

and it was documenting what had happened during the bombings. you know this this printer went and that building went and this gear no longer worked and this went down and then they discovered and then they went into how they recovered and then they had pictures about what it was before and what it was during and how they recovered and I never put any value to it I purchased it and then put it on the shelf and then carried on with my life of you know concentrating on my business and, you know, traveling and being very self-centered and just all about Teresa. And then when COVID hit, and Sean had been awake forever. I mean, Sean and I would go for a walk and he'd talk about, oh, well, what's going on up there? And I'm like,

I don't know. But when it came to documenting with the National Citizen's, inquiry. It was clear that it had to be recorded so that nothing could change. As things, as people wake up and as things change, we have it documented there. And Sean says all the time. Well, if we did that now, if we did the National Citizens Inquiry now in 2025 and called the same people, the evidence would be different because we're not afraid anymore. Like we did it, first year we weren't locked down. So the truckers brought bought us a reprieve and the NCI stepped into that reprieve thinking it might be the only year we're not locked down. And the amount of fear, like you could cut it with a knife. And I was terrified to go in front of the camera.

If I may bring it back to what you're doing now, one of the things that surprised me a bit, just in the background conversations of helping get the event tonight organized. One of the things that surprise me is how many people are nervous to share their story. It is the same enemy, the same demon, the same fear. And for them, it's perhaps the first time that they will have felt the assault. Well, I think I have to share about censorship then. Yeah. So, because this is, this is the fear in, but, and I have to explain, it's going to shock you and it's going to shock your audience. this example I'll give on how we have censorship. So, but just understand that people are afraid to talk.

Like I, you know, there's one person I, I'm going to be totally vague not to name them. But I had watched them. We used to have health shows before COVID, and I would speak at the, there were two Toronto Health shows. I'd speak at both of them each year and this person would. And I'd gone to watch this person present. And I thought, okay, people need to see this information. like they just got to know. It's so important.

And I was excited about this person being a guest on the health show. And the person refused saying, you know, I've been attacked by Health Canada once. I can't lose the livelihood for my family. I can't stick my neck out. And just share truthful information, Sean. I know. Like just share truthful. And, you know, there was another, like the Charter of Health Freedom.

Like back in 2008, and eight, when we presented it, we had the petition and, you know, we're carrying that original copy with us. Well, one of the top 10th person signing chickened out of sharing with us. Sean, do you think that people were braver back in 2008 than they are now? Yeah, I think Health Canada has become so much. See, this is interesting because he started collecting signatures back in 2008. They become so much more powerful. And it's all censorship. So for, you know, 30 years, I have defended more natural health companies charged by Health Canada than all other lawyers combined.

But in about half of my practice has been resisting Health Canada to keep our products on the market. Usually it's out of court. So I've had more experience than any other Canadian lawyer doing this. In almost every single file, in fact, I can only think of one file where the problem, the mischief, wasn't telling the truth. Okay, so you're attacked by Health Canada when you tell the truth. And here's how it works. So we have a drug model where everything's a drug. So, Sean, if I was to say to you, you look dehydrated, let me give you some water.

Well, water's then a drug because we're using it to treat hydration. So everything is a drug if it's used to prevent illness or treat illness. And then all drugs are illegal. So we pass regulations saying you can't sell a drug unless you have a license. Well, that means the base is every drug is illegal. So it's illegal now in Canada, and has been for a long time, to prevent. illness or to treat illness with anything that health candidate hasn't pre-approved, which is interesting from a legal philosophical perspective. And then we structure it. So, well, the only drugs that get

approved to treat all but the most minor conditions, so anything's serious, we've only approved novel chemical drugs. The only exception I can think of is Primarin, which is so difficult to manufacture. So if I'm sitting here on this side, the reason I could I've stumbled into this world because of COVID and the podcast and interviewing people and having your eyes opened up to a whole bunch of conversations going on. But if you're just an everyday Canadian walking around, not only do your doctors know very little bit about this, but even then, if they're prescribing, if they want to prescribe water to you,

if it isn't pre-approved by Health Canada, they wouldn't be allowed to anyway. Oh, absolutely not. Doesn't matter. So not only do they not know about it, they're not allowed to. So that's why there's a huge chunk of people that unless they go elsewhere, they'll never even hear about it. Well, we're getting very close to not being able to hear about it at all. So we only then approve chemical drugs.

So if anyone knows, you go to the doctor, you go to the hospital for a serious health condition, by and large, the only treatments you're going to be offered are either surgery or chemical drugs. This is by design. and then to keep confidence in the system, we censor everything except what you're approved for. So let's use antidepressants as an example. So if a pharmaceutical company gets an antidepressant approved, so their drug is approved to treat depression,

all they can say is it's an antidepressant. Any other information is illegal. And so I'm in a federal, a court case years ago against stealth Canada. And they hire as an outside gun, an expert who is a psychiatrist that runs a company that just gets psychiatric drugs approved. And I'm at this guy for days under oath because, you know, he's, he, I had to get it so that a court wouldn't rely on him.

He was a total hack, in my opinion. And the court didn't rely on him. He said, I can't rely on this person. But at one point, he's complaining to me at how hard it is to get new antidepressants approved. And he says, you know, I got to give Health Canada two double-blind clinical trials showing that the drug works. And now what he means by that is he's got to give two double-blind clinical trials. They're for an antidepressant, so they're going to be short-term. They don't want to exceed.

On average, the placebo effect isn't going to exceed three months. So most clinical trials for things like antidepressants. are deliberately structured to be below three months because they want to rely on the placebo effect to get a separation from the sugar pill. It's a number scheme, as you'll come to understand in a second. And then they're also just measuring subjective reductions in symptoms. It's not to actually cure depression. It's to get a reduction in symptoms. And then they'll have a population in the study that they'll have selected to minimize safety signals.

So that's what he means. And then, you know, so there'll be enough of a statistical separation between the sugar pill and the chemical that we pretend means the drug works. And I use pretend deliberately, the word pretend. So he says to me, I've got to give health count it at two double-blind clinical trials showing that drug works. So I run eight. Right out of the gate. I run eight. I got to run eight to get the two.

Now, the other six could be inconclusive. The other six could show the sugar pill works better than the drug. The other six could show the drug works better than the sugar pill, but the safety signals are too bad. So he runs eight to get the six. To get the two best. Yeah. Now, I haven't even gone to the shocking part.

Yeah. It's illegal for the chemical drug company to share with you the six failed clinical trials. Because that's health information. All they can say if it gets approved is antidepressant. If it doesn't get approved, they're not going to say anything. So think about that for a second. It's illegal for the chemical drug company to share with you the six failed clinical trials.

It's illegal for them to share the two positive trials. It's not that they don't want to. It's illegal. Oh, they don't want to. Well, obviously. They don't want to and it's illegal. The researchers, they can publish whatever they want. Now, I don't know why.

Likely it's because of contracts or likely it's because they want to keep getting paid to do clinical trials. but researchers for chemical pharmaceutical companies tend to only publish the studies that show the drug works. But researchers can publish whatever they want, but the chemical drug companies, so if people are complaining to the chemical drug companies about deaths or about serious adverse reactions, they can't share that with you.

Because we have 100% censorship except for the label claim, and this protects our confidence, in the government-funded healthcare system, which is the marketing arm for Big Pharma. Sorry, how is it that we've structured our government-funded health care so that the only treatments for serious conditions are novel chemicals? That's not how you get good health outcomes. It's not how you get good health outcomes at all.

So it's just marketing for the chemical. Well, just think about it. If we got rid of our drug policies, we got rid of everything, we're starting from scratch and we asked 8 billion people on the planet come to us tell Canadians how we're going to get good health

outcomes for serious health conditions nobody's going to come to us and say I got it? It's so obvious. I don't know why you had to ask me. Just make it illegal to treat serious health conditions with anything but synthetic chemicals that haven't been invented yet.

But that's our drug policy because when the patents run out, then they're generic drugs so anyone can make them and they're on for a while and then the pharmaceutical companies get patented drugs approved for the same condition they could be more dangerous and not work as well but that doesn't matter we don't do comparative analysis and then eventually we orphan the drugs everyone stops making them they're called orphan drugs so by and large our parents my parents were treated with synthetic chemicals that didn't exist when they were born and by and large my generation will be treated with synthetic chemicals

that didn't exist when we were born. And by and large, our children will be treated with synthetic chemicals that didn't exist when they were born. That's our model. You don't get good health outcomes that way. But, you know, the censorship protects that system. You know, if you had a child that they wanted to put on an antidepressant, don't you think you'd make better health decision,

whether to go on it or not if you knew about the failed clinical research? You believe it's been proven to be safe and effective because of the two trials given to health Canada. But if you had to have, the law should be, Sean, the law should be that all information about a drug has to be provided to the public, whether they want to look at it or not. But then, you know, those that want to look at it, can look at it and synthesize it for people.

But the law should be just screw intellectual property rights, screw, oh, you know, trade secrets in manufacture. No, that's bullshit. You're selling stuff we're putting in our bodies? You know, Professor Alan Castles from University Victoria is one of our speakers. And he reminded me of what I already knew. The third leading cause of death in Canada are chemical drugs taken as directed. Not abused.

The third leading cause of death are chemical drugs taken as directed. So you got to share with us your manufacturing secrets. Just protect them by law that people can't manufacture if it has to be disclosed. But we have to have full disclosure. But then the problem is we would totally lose confidence in our government-provided health care, which relies on marketing the chemical pharmaceutical drugs, which the same government makes basically they've structured the approval process, so they're the only legal treatments.

It's by design. But the censorship hurts the natural health community. The natural health community isn't worried about safety signals because the risks by and large are so small. Like, hey, let's disclose every single risk. Happy to do it. Right? Happy to disclose any deaths, any adverse reactions.

I'm actually not aware of a single credible report of death in Canada ever. But it doesn't mean they're not out there. But the point is, is, is, yeah, that should have to be disclosed to. And the benefits, you know, we're in Alberta as we do this. Yeah, we haven't. Just barely. Just barely.

Oh, I guess, I don't know. There's an Alberta company called True Hope. The Alberta. About two minutes down the road. Carry on. The Alberta government coughed up a big whack of cash, taxpayer cash, to run a double-blind clinical trial on this supplement. I'm out of children's hospital.

So there's a branch of the faculty of medicine of the University of Calgary called the Behavioral Research Unit, and all they do is clinical research. So they've been doing it now for about almost 50 years. But 25 years ago, the Alberta government funded them to do a double-blind clinical trial on a vitamin and mineral supplement of an Alberta company. There are now over 30 peer-reviewed research publications on the, that single product funded by governments around the world and some of it blue chip research in journals like journal of psychiatry, journal of child and adolescent psychopharmacology, it's illegal

for that company to share that data with you. It's illegal for them to share government-funded, peer-reviewed journal publications on their product, which shows it's probably the best treatment in the world for bipolar disorder. It kicks butt on major depressants. Disorder, ADHD. It's a vitamin mineral supplement. Are we not allowed to say what it is? Oh, yeah. It's True Hopiomian Power Plus. You can buy it in your health food store as a vitamin mineral supplement, but they can't share

with you that at different dosages, although even just following the label dose, you're going to notice a difference. But you can contact them, and there's a whole bunch of psychiatrists and doctors that know the protocol and can help you, right? Yeah, and there's a movie epiphany on. it we're broadcasting it next Wednesday on the world's greatest health show we're broadcasting it twice than English once in French so but that we're just talking about censorship isn't it shocking that positive government-funded research can't

be shared failed clinical trials can't be shared I don't know maybe if you sat across from somebody else to be shocking I don't know if it's shocking anymore it just seems like it's you know it's kind of standard operation it kind of feels like it falls in line with everything else that I've been paying attention to for the last, what is it going on now, folks? Six years, five years? Like, it should be shocking. Yeah, I mean, you make a good point because actually every part of our lives is, you know,

when you look kind of behind the curtain, it's shocking. But it's shocking to the people that didn't experience perhaps what you experienced back in 2021. So that's why I say if you. That's really, and that's the big connector on this one. That's that this is this is the big connector right now of bringing a a new a new group of the population that is now experiencing the assault like and and what your team had had experienced by even trying to get someone to speak publicly about this. Yeah, well it was shocked.

We're talking about vitamins. We're sitting here in this podcast where I'm like, I don't know if I'm nervous to talk about anything anymore. I used to be nervous to talk. mentioned the word God on here. People have heard that story lots. And I remember to go back to Rubin Mays in my early days of sports. He was running back for the New Orleans Saints at one point from North Battleford. And he just popped on and said, at the end, he said, oh, by the way, I just want to say, thank God for everything I got something very, very, and I thought about editing a out back. That's like

2019 sometime in there. And I remember being nervous about that. And I'm not saying I don't get nervous on here. Sure, I do about certain topics. But the fact that you would have a story that impacted your life so much. And in the words of some people, saved my life. Yeah. And they're gun shy about getting in front of whatever and sharing that. I'm like, wow, okay. Well, I've been through a different experience where at this point I'm like, I'm already know what the government is doing. And I know where they want to take us, because it certainly looks like they're going to ram through a bunch more bills on censorship in particular that is going to make conversations like this a whole lot stranger and and that

can make my life a whole lot more difficult but what are you going to do not talk about it we've seen what happens when we don't talk about things and where that leads us further into so yeah that that part did surprise me but it is interesting that we could now be facing consequences for just speaking like that that is interesting yes so you know um i i hope that people subscribed at nhppa.org to our newsletter so we can share things with you. In the 2024 federal budget, they snuck in serious changes to our Food and Drug Act,

which can affect people like you next pandemic. So the Minister of Health was given the power to prohibit both the promotion and the use, and the promotion is where it hits podcasters, of drugs or classes of drugs, both human and veterinary for off-label use. So say Ivermectin came back up. Exactly.

You got Dr. Macass on here talking about Ivermectin or whatever drug works for the next pandemic. Well, the colleges could go after the practitioners, but they couldn't go after, you know, Sean Newman, the podcaster. But now that could be a $5 million a day fine under the Food and Drug Act for every day you're broadcasting, which in Canada is every day it's available online.

separate offense. Well, that's... For the promotion of Ivermectin... Before we got to this conversation, I had Daniel Smith on. And we talked about it just briefly, and I should clarify to everyone who listens. You know, one of the tough things about the Premier is you got like, I got like 5,000 questions. And I'm trying to like push it into like five. And then you get given a 30 minute time frame, which I think is lovely to have the Premier on.

But you're, you drastically lose the opportunity. to ask like six follow-up questions because you know every time you give a follow-up question you're losing another question you should get to and one of the last questions I asked her about was the censorship right is Alberta gonna stand up for people because I mean Daniel Smith literally had one of the most popular shows in Alberta she went around this circuit of podcasters to help get elected to where she sits now and one of the things I'm wondering is so when they bring this in because at this point I have no faith that the government isn't going to find a way to sneak it through. And when they do, is Alberta going to be like, we're just not going to enforce it?

And do they have any standing to do that? Because I look at some of the penalties for just airing a conversation. You're absolutely right, Sean. And I just look at the catalog, go look through the catalog with Sean Newin podcast folks. You're like, well, that'll be a fraction, and that'll be another one, and I'll be another one. I'll be a billion in the hole by the time they get through a year's worth. Yeah, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're entering that time. and you know, Trees and I talk about it where, okay, like we could be destroyed. But you're destroyed if you don't, right? Like you're destroyed inside if you don't.

So it's interesting. You don't have a choice. What came to me a month ago when we were thinking about, well, when we were talking about how to promote the tour, was it's no longer it's no longer sufficient for us to just speak to the people that we normally speak to or are the safe people.

This subject that we're dealing with right now, natural health products, you can very easily speak to the store clerk on this one without any risk of them any risk of them getting worried or upset or anything. Like this, we're talking vitamin D here.

Like it's not that complicated. but it but we have to tell people to tell people so it's not sufficient to tell the one person anymore we actually have to instruct them to tell someone else well tell them to tell somebody else to also tell somebody else like so this is you know so we're on this tour we're we're in the second week going to ottawa we end up on ottawa on october 25th and like please join us anyone watching please join us on Parliament Hill. We're going to present the petitions to MP Blaine Colkin, who's Alberta MP on the hill.

We're having a ceremony at 1 o'clock because, you know, you don't know what the weather's going to be like. We don't know how long of an event we're going to have on the hill, but then we're having at Bikers Church a longer event later in the day. Yeah, so we're, so there's going to be lots to do that day. But, you know, it's interesting as we're marching across, like we need people to be sharing what we're doing. We need people to be watching the online show.

It's much like the NCI. It's absolutely engaging because it's people telling their stories. And, you know, they're riveting. Like I say, they're impacting me. But this is a, this unites the left. It unites the right. It unvaccinated. It unvaccinated.

Because none of those issues matter. We're talking about we all need nutrition. to be healthy. And we need to protect that. Like, this is, this is, and if you watch the show, and we will be posting the show, we're already posting last week. So if you miss it, you can still watch it, and you can still share it. You will lose confidence in Health Canada as a regulator.

And for those on their kind of journey over COVID, because there's still a large group of people, they know that there's something wrong. They know that either they or people around them have been injured, but they can't be connecting that dots. They can't, they haven't lost. They're not going to trust Health Canada at the end of this. They're going to understand, wait a second, our food supply is toxic now.

Our food supply, we can't get what we need. And Health Canada is censoring. And this drug model, I mean, we haven't even talked about recommended daily allowances. You know, we all know you pick up a bottle and it'll go, oh, recommended daily allowance. Well, the word allowance is even interesting, isn't it? Like, oh, the government's going to allow us this. Well, Teresa mentioned vitamin D.

You know, we've got as a speaker, Dr. James Lundy. By law, no one can sell you more than a dose of 2,500 international units. That's micrograms of vitamin D by law. Well, we're all going to be chronically sick at that level. So, like, it's actually illegal. I've had client after client after client that Health Canada attacks because they're actually trying to give you what you need. So our recommended daily allowances,

we will all be sick, chronically sick, and many of us will die if we actually followed that level of nutrition. And where did they establish these? Yeah, well, the RDA, Sean, come from World War II. The Allies had a problem, before D-Day. They thought they were going to break out of every beach. They didn't realize they were going to be hemmed in and all but one.

And so they thought, well, we're going to have all these soldiers just pouring into the interior of France, and we're not going to be able to supply them for at least two weeks. So the question was asked, well, what's the minimum, the minimum nutrition that a fit 20-year-old male needs to function for two weeks? that you can collapse after two weeks. But what's the minimum amount of nutrition? Because they're carrying their ammo, they're carrying their bedding,

they're carrying their gun. They've got to carry their food. So what's the minimum amount? That's now our recommended daily allowance. And Health Canada, you can phone them and ask. They'll agree with this statement. The RDA, so we've got this whole list of vitamins and minerals. The RDA is the amount that every single one of us can take every day of our life.

So the day you're born to the day you die. So, you know, one of my sons was four pounds when born. Well, we can eject them with all the vitamins and minerals at the RDA allowance at four pounds. And we'll never have an adverse reaction in the entire population. It has nothing to do with what we need. But by law, we're restricted to that. It's evil. It's not madness.

It's evil. It's so predictable that it will lead to chronic illness that it's evil. Appreciate you guys coming in doing this. I wish we could sit here and go back and forth for like three hours. You have a show to get to, and I, if people want to show up and find this, I know I've been talking about it a lot on the podcast in the, sorry, the ad reads, about going to nhpPA.org. And that's where you can find all the information.

as far as signing the petition showing up to a show, I assume that's where you direct them all, nhppa.org. And just one final thought. When we get to Ottawa on the 25th, that's actually not the finish line. That's actually the starting line. That's the starting line of actually

starting to move in the right direction. So what we're doing is we're driving and we're wanting to gather our friends that can start telling people to tell people. So then when we get there to the starting line, then we can start. Because this is going to be a big old push. Well, this is a big one. Parliament already knows this is the biggest issue facing Canadians. Like NHPPA alone in the last 20 months,

we can track 3.1 million communications through our organization to MPs. Well, there's only 338 of them. Like, MPs would send us photos of their closet full of the postcards we had at health food stores. You know, when Bill 368 was in committee, it's a private members bill, we helped draft, and there was going to be some amendments to do it. In a week, we had people send a quarter of a million e-letter stampes. we had a mail strike then. The MPs know, and this would be a politically popular move.

Passing the Charter of Health Freedom into law would be wildly popular with Canadians, but we don't expect the government's going to do it without a huge fight. Why? I think it's, I don't know, is it pan-nationalism, so our health policy is being directed from elsewhere? Is it that really our policy is set by the cabinet committee structure

and the Privy Council law? which we haven't been lobbying. Maybe we need to be lobbying them. I mean, read our Constitution. The king's the executive, and our Constitution sets up the Privy Council Office to advise the King on executive matters, and nobody's been lobbying them.

I don't know what the answer is, Sean. All I know is, is our MPs know that Canadians want this. They're not bringing Health Canada to heal, and we've got to do it. Like we cannot pass on to our kids an unsafe food supply. Appreciate you guys coming in. Safe travels on your journey. I'm sure Canadians are going to show you a lot of love,

but we'll do our best on this side to continue to get your message out. And I just wish you safe travels on the journey across Canada. And thank you for having us, Sean. Oh, I need time, Sean. Keep doing what you're doing. Yes. Thank you. Thanks.