Shaun Newman Podcast - #936 - Dave Collum

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

David Collum is a Professor of Chemistry at Cornell University, where he has taught since 1980. Collum is known for his economic and political commentary, often aligned with Austrian economics, appearing in podcasts, blogs, and publications like The Wall Street Journal. He authors an annual “Year in Review” macroeconomic assessment. We discuss Charlie Kirk, Satanism and conspiracy theories. Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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of the tape today's guest is professor of chemistry at Cornell University I'm talking about Dave Collum So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Dave Calm. Dave, thanks for hopping back on.

Oh, glad to do it. You're one is sort of what I call it regular. Well, it's funny. You know, we've been talking, I was just at a conference over the weekend. Where? And in Regina, Saskatchewan. And so there was some interesting people. There's people up there?

There certainly is where I sit, it's down there. I'm actually north of Regina. Yeah, there was... Let me guess a few nicknames for Regina, just for the record. Sure, yeah, vagina. Let's start with vagina. Okay. There's no way that one can get by me.

Yes. Well, yeah, you wonder what people were thinking back in the day when they named Regina. I'm sure I'm going to get a text on that because I got a ton of people listening to me in Saskatchewan. But heck, I'm originally. from Saskatchewan so I'm sure I'm going to get history lesson on it but either way I wanted to bring you back on I got I got some different things I'm curious your thoughts on you know it's been a while since we chatted um and in that time charlie kirk was assassinated murdered take your choice a word that you want to put to it and I was I guess I'm I'm curious your thoughts watching the aftermath

and actually just the everything that happened that day you know we've me and you have had some different discussions when it came to trump uh Vegas uh you know i just go back through some of the the caller pa yes yes well um i've gone down the darkest of the rabbit holes uh so the further down you go the less probable you're right i'll start out with you're right i'll start out with you're with the, it doesn't look to me like the lone gunman model held up well at all. That seems like a preposterously mediocre cover story for whacking them. And you can go through the details of, you know, the screwdriver on the roof and with his DNA on it and the fact that he assembled the gun and disassembled the gun and changed his clothes and supposedly left the gun in the woods.

But if you watch the video, you can't really see a gun. Some say you can. Some say you can't. But the video starts ironically five seconds after the shooting. So you don't get to see the shooting. And then there's decoys everywhere, right? There's the guy with the hand pistol in the front row. There's the guy off to Charlie's right or left, several of them doing hand signals.

There's supposedly a flash in a shooter from the upper left as we look. There's so many, there's the guy who said, I did it, I did it right at the very beginning. It turned out, of course, always they found child porn on his computer. That's the old standby. Let's hit him with child porn first because we can dump it right on there. Or you can just find porn on the computer and find someone who's 17 years old, right? Hit him. And his text messages that were totally idiotic.

They were idiotic at so many levels like first and foremost, he told, he confessed completely to his love muffin, transgender boyfriend, whatever. And it was in a texting style that made no sense to Gen Z or 20-somethings. We'll just call them 20-somethings. They said, that's not how we talk. There was no emojis. There was no, you send it to an AI program. The AI program say this is not the texting of a 20-something. year old. And there were no dates and times. It just, the whole thing was messed up. And so you throw that

away. You then end up with a, therefore, it's a complex story. Right. Therefore, it's, and so you don't need to learn any more about the chaos of why it's not, why it's not the lone shooter. Once you accept this, it's not the old shooter. Now the question is who did it. And of course, You don't know who did it, but you would have to put as the lead candidate. Sort of like you find some guy's wife shot in the kitchen, you're going to talk to the husband first. You don't know if he did it, but he's the guy you're going to talk to. Since Charlie had turned against Israel, Israel certainly on the top of the list for having whacked him. And the problem is, is if it's not Israel, you start running out of ideas pretty quickly.

And so I haven't seen great alternatives. although there's one alternative that suggests he was martyred. And if you look at the post-assassination, there's just vast, vast amount of power play going on in the TPSA Foundation. And so one could make the argument that they knew he was going to get whacked and that, you know, they teed him up. And my email box fills up with TPSA fundraising and it didn't before. And so the big things shifted very quickly. And at one point, there was this rumor Ben Shapiro was going to take over. It's like, no, for several reasons, one of which is no one likes Ben Shapiro.

He's smarter now and he's conservative as hell, but no one likes him. So he can't be Charlie Kirk. So then you start digging into the weeds, right, and say, okay, maybe it's usually beside you start looking into Charlie's background. And this is where it gets very quirky and where a lot of people think I'm nuts and other people are nuts. Oh, and Netanyahu denied shooting them three times, right? That's a little weird for a president of a country, a prime minister, to deny assassinating a guy three times. So you dig into the background, what you discover is that Erica Kirk, that neither her parents nor Charlie's parents or family were at the memorial service.

I haven't seen an interview of them. I haven't seen any. It's very hard to find. When I first started looking for evidence of them, you'd go to chat some AI program like Grock. And they wouldn't know their names even. They say there's her name may be Mary. Her name may be very vague, vague, unavailable information for a guy who's pretty well known. And then the plot thickens where Erica's mother turns out.

Erica turns out to have been a multi-millionaire before Charlie, before meeting Charlie. How did she get that? Well, it turns out she ran a company in Romania having to do with orphans, that the Internet has tied to child trafficking, which I say that because who knows, right? The Internet never sleeps and never gets anything quite right. So there's that darkness. You can watch the memorial service. And there's a lot of heated debate on this, but I stand firmly in the camp that looks at her and says,

that's not a grieving widow. Her personality looks all wrong. I don't see any authenticity in her presentation. I don't see any uncontrollable emotion in her delivery. it actually looks rather acted and rather poorly acted. So she sits there and looks like she isn't going to cry, but there's never tears and there would be tears. And at one point I saw a body language guy go through entire speech

and talk about how everything makes total sense. And I go, that's fishy, right? I think someone put that guy up to it. And I'm watching it going, okay, let me ask you this, Mr. Body Language expert. if you were coaching Erica to give a speech, could you coach her to do the right facial movements to show the things that you're talking about showing? And the answer is, of course. So he says, you know, certain kinds of sadness, your chin does this, you know, the kind of thing where you can, you could get a person to look authentic by just coaching him. But she didn't look authentic at all

to me. I mean, nothing about it looked right to me. And so then you see her at TPSA, roundtable discussions. And if you boot up her face, search Erica Kirk smiling, you'll see all sorts of photos from post-assassination. And she's smiling and she looks profoundly happy. And I would think that you would be carrying a pretty dower face for quite a long time. And that looking happy would not become easy to you. It could pop out. Something that could pop out. But it would You'd see a person who looked a bit like a lost soul, I think. You dig into the family of Charlie and Erica, and you discover that this is just something I did for laughs and just noticed.

The photographs are deeply family-oriented, right? They're traveling all over the world. And so the family is in tow at all times. You can't find pictures of Charlie's kids in which you see their faces. People say, well, ask because, you know, you protect the kids. I go, but let's start with these photos you're seeing are taken by somebody else. Let's start with that. Now, could be their photographer.

Could be they control that flow. But walking through an airport, there's going to be people grabbing photos. I just think they're going to be getting uploaded. And you look and there's, you know, Photoshop, you know, Maga hats covering a face. It's clearly a Photoshop, stuff like that. I've been told that you can hire someone to clean up the entire Internet of stuff like that. So if you wanted to, I guess you could. Then there's the strangest little interview that, that again, people disagree on.

But Charlie and Erica were chatting in an interview kind of between the two of them. There was kind of a look who we are sort of interview. And they were talking about how they met, which by the way they met in Israel. And Charlie mentions, someone asks a question. There was a phone in question or an internet question and said, when did you get married? And she stammered on the year, not the date, the year that they got married. She kind of hesitated and had this kind of, am I right look.

And then she talked about, and then she talked about, and then she talked. about how long have they been married and she's stammered again now that one i can imagine because you know it's like when someone says where'd you get very you know the year then you have to do the math to figure out what anniversary it is right so so the latter ones that a bit but stammering on the year four years after getting married right it's not it's a 38 year veteran and and my wife can never remember our anniversary but she's ever forgotten the year that we got married right and uh so that's weird and so where that all takes me is to the the possibility, not the probability, but the possibility that they are both an assembled marriage.

And the kids are not being shown because it's all an assembled family and that there's something really odd going on here. So I would point to those in the know, I'd say that it looks like an MK Ultra marriage. Question then. Right. Let's say, let's just sit on that possibility for a second. wouldn't like I just think of some of the things I saw I think of Candace Owens outspoken says what's on her mind at all times she or so you think right or so you think yes she talks about knowing Charlie from a long time ago don't you think she would unravel that real fast I think I would think so yeah I would think of some of the others you know that are in that circle James Lindsay comes to mind I know they were friends James Lindsay knew her James Lindsay

knew him yeah oh i didn't know that yeah uh i i texted uh james uh i um i wasn't thinking straight but regardless james has just sent back i need some time because i wanted him to come on the show and then he just said you know my my best friend or one of my good friends has been killed and i was like oh my god like i'm a moron you know like um absolutely you know like my condolences and i look at all the people who are outspoken in the u.s who were running around talking about things. And if that scenario was true, it's all a show,

they're arranged marriage, blah, blah, blah, blah. Wouldn't like, wouldn't Candace Owens come out and like blast it? You would think so.

That's why I put the probability low. It almost, it almost requires thinking that it's even a broader base problem. Right. And so, Yeah, I would expect Candace to do that, although I can't say I'm smart enough to think of the reasons why she might be pulling back on that. She doesn't pull back on a lot of stuff. So I can't say she doesn't pull back on much because I don't know, maybe she's a lot more under the hood than she's lighting on.

But don't tell Macron that. And so, yeah, I think that's the best argument against that. And that's why I put a low probability on it because I'm waiting for an affirmative confirmation on that one. But Eric is the complete absence of both families in the whole story is just, it's really hard to understand that. Well, it makes me think while we're sitting here, you know, I should have had the foresight to have brought on a guy like James. Because James, and maybe that's exactly what I'm going to do, folks, because I'm now kind of curious. you know i've seen these different theories going on and i've been in and around the water cooler chat enough that i'm like i don't know like i don't know but it's it goes back to don't

trump was don't trump actually shot right there there's the theory that he was never actually shot because of the motion that was was garnered off of that moment in an election cycle and all the things and i go and if you go there well i go there i go there i go there Except for I don't go to that. I go to the complexity of the Butler shooting, but not the he didn't get shot. I've not been convinced he wasn't shot. I've looked at it, but I certainly think the Butler story is complicated. And the Ryan Ruth story, the other one is ridiculous.

The Ryan, walk me through. Well, Ryan Roost, the guy supposedly camped out at Mara Lago at the golf course to shoot him. And he left his backpack and his gun leaning against the fence. And, you know, and he'd been recruiting, you know, recruiting people to come to Ukraine. His story, but at the same time, he, there's articles about him, you know, being a hero in some flood in Hawaii. He's one of these guys who has way too many weird backstories to ignore. He's married to some supermodel. You know, it just, so the Ryan, I can't even remember it all now, but the Ryan Roostroy looked to me like a total sigh up.

And I didn't know what the purpose of it was. He's up for trial right now. But that's up to see. You know, Timothy McVeigh got executed and you could easily make the case that maybe he didn't even do it. It's hard to say. Certainly the Oklahoma bombing looks suspicious in various ways. So every one of these things looks suspicious. Yeah, well, the thing about the Charlie Kirk murder, the assassination,

like when you go, who did it? Everyone goes, like, I've watched the videos on the lone shooter and different military men talking about breaking down that gun that supposedly he did it with and everything. And they're like, this is like, where did he put it in all the different things? And I'm like, a lot of that makes a ton of sense to me. You know, and we just go back to, you know, was Charlie Kirk JFK? Well, no, but he was an important figure in the United States doing very big things with the younger generation.

Let me ask you this question. Did you know that before he got shot? Hmm. Because I did not. So what I would say, what I found interesting is I knew who Charlie Kirk was, but I've said this loss. I knew who he was. On the top five people I wanted to interview, Charlie wasn't amongst them. Now, I liked him and everything.

what I find interesting was the younger generation knew exactly who he was. So I think it's because of our ages day. That's what I think. So me and you focus on different people. Like I, I, but there could be a post-assassination narrative. He could be getting completely deified.

I mean, I think he was achieving some of that. But I think it's, he became Jesus Christ after the assassination, right? I mean, he really became, he became Martin Luther King. He became an epic figure. And I must admit, when I saw him get interviewed by Tucker a couple weeks before, I was left with a sense that I now understood better what he was doing

and what he was trying to achieve and stuff like that. So I had a higher opinion. But the first tweet I put on it after I saw it was, look, I was not as big as fan. And part of it's because to me he looked like a grifter. He looked like a guy who spotted opportunity and grabbed it. Really? Yeah. And then he got good at it and maybe even took to it.

Maybe even, you know, really. It's like the, you know, that sounds of freedom documentary on trafficking with Ballard. I never trusted Ballard. I was on a Zoom call with Ballard. I never trust about it. I believe that there was a lot of truth of what he was saying, but I also believe that it was a guy who spotted opportunity in this modern era. So I thought there was a superposition of truth and grift.

I'm curious. How do you build trust with someone? Like, you know, when you're watching these different figures. Like, you know, like me and you have got to sit and do this several times, so I hope I'm building trust. But we've never met. And I hope to change that. But at the same time, until we do, this is how we interact.

But I think you have friends who are not, who you've never met. I have friends who I've never met. And it's fun to meet them eventually. But I think you can have a friend. Zoom changes the whole dynamic of the world in that sense. Sure it does. But trust, you know, like, Charlie, the world grabs on to different things at different times.

So like, go back to Floyd, right? George Floyd gets murdered and, like, insanity ensues. Were they just waiting for the opportune moment because they knew at some point something like George Floyd was going to happen? Or did they stage George Floyd? My brain would say they were ready to jump on that and then watch what played out after. That would be my guess. That would be my guess, too.

My guess is that they were locked and loaded and just, it was going to happen, right? There was going to be a cop black man exchange that didn't go well. That didn't go, right, went the way they, honestly, like in a dark way, the way they wanted. And on this, you know, all these different conversations starting to happen. when you know like you look at Charlie Kirk if it wasn't Charlie Kirk who could have been well you know in my realm I always thought Jordan Peterson right like Jordan Peterson is a guy that I think a ton of people my age and younger too but a ton of people my age looked at like Charlie Kirk the younger generation looks at Charlie Kirk the same way I look at Jordan Peterson is the way my brain looks at it now that doesn't mean Jordan Peterson's been right on everything But he, for a generation, was a guy that enlightened us and pulled us out of some dark days and gave us some direction and all these different things. And he went into some of those rooms debating them. And eventually one of these guys who goes into those rooms and debates the people that absolutely hate them, doesn't it spill over into an event like Charlie Kirk?

And then it's presented there and the world always knew it was going to happen. and they deify the person who's been taken out of the game. Instead of, it's been all arranged, and this is just the movie. I think someone did that on purpose. I think that was prearranged. It's just a hunch, but I understand your logic. I mean, the George Floyd one is perfect, right? I got canceled in 2020, and there was a force behind it that I can easily identify

because I have fought a couple of labor union movements, and you could see their fingerprints on the cancellation. But it was also very astroturf. It was also very automated, very quick, very aggressive. Email boxes across the campus filled up within 20 minutes. You know, it was not a grassroots thing at all. And so that's a case where they were waiting for something. What they actually went after me for was pretty irrelevant, actually.

And so that's the funny thing was they took a tweet that was not even contentious and decided they were going to turn that into it. And then again, the speed and the aggression of the cancellation was it was not about the tweet. It was about me. So I think if I had to bet, I'd say Charlie Kirk was not a, was not, they were not just waiting for something. It was a pretty bizarre event. And if you don't buy this, the lone shooter, that is by definition complicated.

A long shooter story falls apart very quickly, I think, even though guys like Ryan Dawson. One time I was on a Zoom with Ryan, and my spidey sense said, don't hang out here. There was something that told me to, I could have stayed in that, a small group of characters in the Zoom group. I think, I think I could have. And I go, Ryan's brilliant, but something complicated about Ryan. But he says the loan, he supports the lone shooter model. But I'm not sure Ryan himself isn't somehow put a some sciop. I just don't know what to make of them.

Yeah, well, that's the difficult thing about this, right? Is you know from studying history that they're putting certain individuals in certain places and that there is sciops happening. And that when they see a movement start to happen, then they infiltrate it. So your spidey senses are probably right. Well, the other thing about the Kirk assassination is there were so many things, like the guy jumping up right away and said, I shot him, I shot him, I shot him, and then he didn't shoot him. And then you find out that he supposedly was sort of in the vicinity of the Boston Marathon bombing and things like that. And you go, boy, this is getting weird fast. And it all represents distraction. And at some point, you just throw up your hands and you say, look, there's about six possible shooters here. I don't know what to do with it. You know, what's for. dinner, right? And so if I were setting up a hit, I would certainly set up a bunch of bogus bullshit to keep the, like during the, during the COVID story, right? They were happy to have us

keep arguing whether it came from a lab in Wuhan or it came from a wet market. Because that way, we didn't argue about whether it was generated by Ralph Barak or Peter Dezac. and whether it was a U.S. derived virus and things like that. And anyone paying attention got to the alternative model eventually. But to get us arguing about a topic that sounds problematic, but it's nothing compared to the real story, that's good news. That's what they do. Go back to, okay, Charlie Kirk, you look at the Israel thing.

Okay. Right. And you go, so a ton of people have really focused on that, right? He started talking about Israel, boom, he's dead. I find that interesting because if that were true, and it could be true. I'm not saying it isn't. Wouldn't Tucker be dead? Wouldn't Candace Owens be dead? Not necessarily. First of all, they got pick one.

Maybe it's like we got Charlie, your neck shut up. it doesn't work very well with Tucker. Kenneth you're on, you can't shoot all three. So you can make that argument no matter which of the three got shot. I imagine Tucker protects himself pretty well. I imagine he, you know, I went to his studio and he, he, you'd have trouble finding it.

It's this nondescript building without an obvious door on it, behind a church in the middle of nowhere in the middle of Maine. And I think Tucker probably protects himself pretty well. And probably more so now. And so. Well, the first time, if I may hop in there, the last time you're on, sorry, not the first time, last time you're on it was right before you're going on, Tucker.

What did you think of that experience? Wow, it's fascinating. First of all, I was supposed to go on in May, and then it got postponed repeatedly. And you can't tell when something was recorded. There can be a real lag for him. So I spent some time watching to say, oh, did So-and-so kick my ass off there because they were more important? Yeah, there was trying to figure out what is, like, I'm getting me booted. Was the president of Iran the reason I got booted, you know, that sort of thing?

But I think I got pushed back. I think it was the fourth scheduled one that I finally made it to. I actually was relieved to find that there was a hotel room with my name on it because I wasn't convinced I didn't do a great dupe. You know, that would be fantastic. Show up and say, what are you talking about? There's no hotel with your name on it, right? So I show up in his studio and you spend an hour and a half having breakfast with him and his booking agent who's like this 20-something hottest chick on the planet. And who is what I was in communication with the whole time.

And that's when he figures out who you are. So you talk during breakfast, but it's clearly a working breakfast. And I warned him about a couple things I said, look, I go off topic real topic real. fast, you're going to have to reel me in. And I said, and I mentioned about how I tend to wear headphones. And so I tend to move around a lot. And he has a fixed mic. So he said, no, our mics will handle that. So, um, so then we did the interview. When I'm done with interviews like that, especially that one, because it covers so many topics and we talked on both sides of it, I couldn't remember what we talked about. So people said, what did you talk about? I don't know. Um, and, um,

And that took a month to come out. And so I didn't know why it was delayed. It actually came out what looked like maybe in the start of the school year, maybe. Some other people mentioned that maybe. The key is after we were done, we spoke for another hour and a half. And that's when we got super dark. We went way further down rabbit holes off screen than on. And I wouldn't mention it except for in a later interview, he went down.

down that rabbit hole. That is somehow the topic of trafficking in Satanism showed up. And he lit up like crazy. And he was like, oh, my God, it's everywhere. And I would say something. He'd say, oh, it's bigger than that. And he'd say, and I know these people. I know these people.

You know, and so his staff is there looking at a bug eye. So the staff is there. I'm listening to this conversation, like four or five of them sitting on stools while we for an hour and a half talk about satanic cults and trafficking and uh and some daniel ellsberg stuff and things like that but um so i wouldn't mention but he had a got he had he did a podcast with a guy who who has studied uh satanic cults in hollywood and the silicon valley of stuff and so so i think he had been doing his homework already as my guess and um um and i was also watching Tucker interviews before and after, in part to sort of strategize a little, you know, try to

understand his rhythm a little more, a little more nuanced view of how to handle it. And he had some great ones. I go, holy shit, how do I follow that person, you know? And then he did one with the CEO of Nicola, the electric truck maker. And I'd written about it casually, but it was clearly a catastrophe. of a story. And Tucker's team totally let him down. Tucker fell into a trap where the CEO of Nicola convinced Tucker that he was set up by short sellers and that it was a perfectly legitimate company. And then I happened to be in ever so casual contact with the guy at Hindenburg

research who hammered Nicola. And he jumped right in after that got posted. He said, let me explain to you, Nicola. And he did a Twitter post. It was a about eight paragraphs, and he beat the tar out of it. Now, I noticed without even knowing all the stuff, that guy, Nate Anderson, I think, without even knowing the real details, just listening to Tucker and the CEO of Nikola talk, I could tell the CEO's lying his ass off.

You could hear, he said, you know, shorting was illegal before 2007. I go, no, it wasn't. What are you talking about? He was talking about how, you know, how Nicola rolled the truck down a hill. It was a supposedly an electric truck and they rolled it down a hill and it got huge press. And he tried to claim that someone just wanted to borrow his truck for, to just get a, you know, a video of a truck rolling down the hill. And I'm going, no, you don't take your multi-gazillion dollar electric truck and let some guy roll it down the hill because he needs a video of a tractor trailer rolling down the hill.

So his story was bullshit from head to toe. And so then I'm sitting going on and Tucker's credibility got hammered that day, right? So I was paying attention to that stuff. In any event, Tucker is off screen, best I can tell, who he is on screen. I did not pick up two different people. Was that before or after Charlie? Before. Before.

I was going to send him a message after because Charlie's assassination, and had to get in Tucker's skull pretty deep. Oh, I would think so. He had just interviewed Charlie not too long earlier, but he also, Tucker's got to be saying that could have been me, right? As you implied. Well, I just,

Charlie, those are the big three, right? Yeah, if you're going to draw the connection to Israel, okay, it goes, well, who's talking about APAC and how odd it is? Well, Candace is probably number one, but she's kind of been blacklisted from a lot of circles. Okay, so then you go, Tucker is definitely number two or number one,

whatever you want to put them. One of the purpose, though, was, well, first of all, it's a demographic thing. Tucker's not getting the youngsters listing, so it might be. Remember the TikTok story, right? So the TikTok story, months and months ago, years ago, actually, the U.S. declared the TikTok was this Chinese company. that was destroying the brains of America's youth. I'm going, so are we, you idiots, right?

What are you talking about? And I got, you know, my TikTok feed, I don't have a TikTok feed, but to the extent I see TikTok, it's usually girls in yoga past dancing ways that make guys like me happy. And then, and then all of a sudden we announce that TikTok has to be sold to us. And I go, where do you get off saying that?

You don't get to tell China they have to sell you TikTok. Next thing I know they're putting together a consortium of investors to buy TikTok, headed up by Minookin and his hot wife, who looks like the biggest gold digger on the planet. And all of a sudden the plot starts thickening as in sort of the Israel connection. And I see mention of the Israel connection. And then Minookin seems to go off radar and then next shows up Larry Ellison, who is non-pejoratively one of the biggest scientists on the planet. I mean, there are people who cannot say Zionist without being pejorative, but Zionist does mean a person who supports Israel,

right? Larry is certainly both profoundly wealthy and a huge supporter of Israel, and he's going to buy TikTok, and he's bought CBS, and he's trying to buy CNN. And at some point you're going, I'm not comfortable with this plot at all. And not only did Allison talk about the wonders of Israel recently, I've always found Allison to be kind of repulsive, so it's hard. He's not an endearing character to me at all. But he also,

I was talking about vaccines and shit in a way that was really stupid. I mean, everyone's projectile, vomiting. I think someone said, Larry, shut up with the vaccine shit. Just stop talking. You blew that one. And then you say, okay, this is still casual contact with Israel. But then there's the interview that Netanyahu did with his thought leaders, that he is supposedly paying like $7,000 a piece or some quantity of money apiece. I don't know where the $7.000 comes from, his internet number, to do favorable things for Israel.

And he's being interviewed and he says, you know, you have to fight the war with the modern weapons and the modern weapons and social media. And then he says, what's the most important one? And you can hear people chattering, throwing ideas out of me. He says, TikTok. I go, okay, that story is now done. That story is now over.

TikTok was grabbed by Israel because it was not only, youngsters, but very pro-Palestinian. And so he wants to shut that down. So that's not a conspiracy theory anymore. That now is unambiguously the case. And then he said number two is Twitter. He says, we'll have a chat with Elon. Elon's our friend. And I'm going, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm right. I don't think Elon is your friend. But I'm sure the relationship is complex. Now, for those who are listening to this thing about Charlie and Israel, we should mention that Charlie had been saying, had been condemning Israel a lot over the last couple of months. So he had said, he had said that it looks like, you know, October 7th, there was a stand-down order to let Hamas

in. He had said that, that people are supporting Israel first, America, second. He says, I support America first. He'd been talking about Israel in very dark terms. So, and he had been a super, super supporter of Israel before that. And so the argument for shooting Charlie is say, do not leave the reservation, right? It's like the mob. You can't leave the mob. So Charlie might have been a message to anyone else watching. I don't think he can easily shut up Tucker or Candice, but there's a whole ton of other people

who don't want to step in the way of that train. Yeah, but it's funny. maybe that's the impact it'll have but you know i think it being carol being another one who has drawn all the lines to israel um yeah i i just started thinking of and maybe these aren't as mainstream as i think who's he in carroll i i don't you don't know who ian carroll is no i knew who he in carroll is in theory but who is he down deep i mean who does he is he just a dude i've watched a ton of Ian Carroll videos a ton. But it doesn't tell me who he is.

Doesn't tell me if he works for someone. I know he's CIA. There's just no way to know who Ian Carroll is. Well, I got to meet Ian Carroll once. My family was- He's very entertaining. He's very entertaining. I got to meet him once in Idaho.

I'm trying to think of the city we're in. We were on family vacation. My brother texts me and he's like, you realize Ian Carroll's in the town you're in? And I'm like, what? And so I looked up, whatever. He was at a local bar talking, you know, had a presentation. So I bought a ticket.

Actually, I didn't get a ticket. I got there. It was sold out. So I sat in the front, like of the bar, waited for a waitress to come. And then I asked her who the owner of the establishment was and just, you know, a salesman by trade on this side. And so you just, you know, waited and then talk to him. He said, you know, if we can squeeze you in, what will find a place if there's room. But right now we're sold up.

All right. So I sat out front for probably close to an hour. and then wouldn't you know he comes out and says actually you know what if you guys want to squeeze in Ian said it's great

and then I said is there any chance of meeting Ian I'm like I mean geez I'm a podcaster I love to interview the first shocking thing about him is how tall he is he is a big man

he is a big man and five maybe I mean I'm a short guy so I would think about six five I didn't know Charlie Kirk was six five

I didn't know Charlie Kirk was that thing. In fairness, when you see the videos of Charlie on stage, he looks like a big guy. Ian's, it's always his face. And so it's hard to fully grasp how big, you know, I was just in regina. So people came up to me and they're like, that's great to have finally meet you. And see how short you are. I'm like, thanks. Thanks for that.

Yeah, yeah. I wish I was six, five. I'm not. Yeah. You know, I had too, yeah. You know, and so, this. I go back to the trust thing. This is a problem we have, right?

As you stare into this world and you talk to all these people, you're like, this guy's legit and how do you figure out if he is legit? One of the ways is meeting them in person, but you can't find everything out from meeting a person face to face to fully understand and build a relationship. That's why when I go back to Charlie, I hear Candace, I think it was surprised everyone. She had her video talking about it, how long she'd known. Charlie four. It's like, oh, well, you'd think if she knew him for that long, red flags would have started going up at some point about the marriage or kids or the family.

At some point, wouldn't that some of that, wouldn't she have talked about it? Well, I, you could imagine a scenario where, where Charlie and Erica get put together and Candace is on the perimeter just watching and it's gone, oh, man, I don't trust this chick. you know and not not knowing more than that yeah if if they're really living living the existence of a married couple i mean you know weirder things have happened inside intelligence for example of someone who who who who who deeply embedded in a family structure like that to get what they need and what what the intelligence needed these guys will go to the end of the earth to get what they want. Especially, by the way, for example, let's say I'm right and she is totally MK. Ultra.

She's been trained since she was five years old. She's not just, she's not just, you know, a hot baby that said, let's teach you how to be an intelligence agent. She's been brainwashed. She's been totally, totally, I was on a Zoom call with a couple of, a couple of the survivors of trafficking, Kathy O'Brien and Juliet Engel. And Juliet got a medical degree. And the one thing that made no sense her, she couldn't remember one whiff of her childhood. Nothing. She had no recollection of her childhood.

She don't know how she got there. And it turns out when they brainwash you, they rip your personality apart using horrific tactics, North Korean POW tactics. And then they reassemble you and create what they want. It's sort of like the best analogy I've run into is a working dog where they have all these working dogs. They said, okay, then they pair them up with the different needs. So they go, give this blob of a dog to the guy with PTSD, give this dog to the girl who has a seizure disorder and needs a working dog. You know, they kind of pair them up.

And I think they do that with these MK. Ultra trained people that they're, oh, this one will be an assassin. Although Anika Lucas, who's one of the most famous ones, one of the, the two most famous, says that we're, she says, we're all trained to kill. We're all trained to kill. That's one of the ways that they break you down is make you kill. Other kids, puppies, you name it. You're trained to kill. And so, you know, she could be, she could have met him, sucked them in, you know, getting sucked in by Erica Kirk wouldn't be hard, right? I mean, it's not like she's hard to look at. Let's start with that. You got to watch this funny video where they're communicating with each other.

There's this surreal disconnect between Eric and reality. And so whether Charlie's M.K. Ultra, separate story, but it's very hard to learn about Charlie. He comes out of high school, doesn't go to college, some rich guy who's hard to track down where his companies are, supposedly. I say supposedly, I'm not investigative journalist. I'm secondary. I'm my read, something by an investigative journalist so I'm at the mercy of someone else who claims they try to track them down but all of a sudden Charlie's being ushered through this system as head of TPSA which supposedly was incorporated as TPSA in 2002 way before Charlie shut up one of the I think I'm right in this I forget where I read it was that Charlie had worked for Don

Trump Jr. as a young man. What a small world. I don't know if you'd read, had you heard that or read it? I've read the, the Trump connection. Well, Erica worked for Trump or had ties with Trump because he ran all these beauty pageants and shit. But she didn't have a history of doing beauty pageants. All of a sudden she's Miss Arizona, which by the way, again, I look at it and I go, but, but you know, you don't just win beauty pageants because you're hot.

You are trained to be a pageant queen, right? I mean, it is an acting role. It is a, you know, you can't just take a hot babe and throw in a swimsuit and win Miss Arizona. You're going against pros. And so, I haven't only knows. And that Romanian connection, read about Erica Kirk in a Romanian connection. It is dark stuff. And Romania was a, the eastern block is a huge, huge hub of trafficking.

So those theories about her being involved with a company that is involved in trafficking are actually, they're not preposterous, put it that way. They're not preposterous. They might be wrong, but they're not preposterous. You know, it's funny. I'm sitting here and I'm like, when I was bringing on it, I'm like, I want to get Dave's thoughts on Charlie Kirk. I did not. One of the things I admire about you is you go down all these rabbit holes and then you come out of them and you're like, I don't know what to make of them, but this is what's out there. you know and to act like mk ultra isn't a thing well that's that's a lie right like i mean both of me and

you could sit here and go there's enough evidence to point to mk ultra being legit and the things they're willing to do are horrific to human beings potentially right so then it becomes not gone either i've spent hours on the phone with nick brian who's an expert on this shit and he said he said it's a science they they can brain it's a it's no longer an exception experimental, you know, test shit out thing. They can bring, they know how to break you down and build you back up. Like that. They can do it to anyone.

So then it becomes who's a part of MK Ultra, right? And it's like, oh, how to even answer that question? Well, so I think it was Juliet Engel, maybe. I'm trying to remember. But someone said, um, there are people walking around living their lives, not even, knowing that they had been brainwashed. And one of the surreal things, this is the thing that if you jump into this shit

not knowing anything and you just jump into the deep end of the pool, it is not comprehensible. If you don't sort of wade your way in and say, okay, let's look at 9-11 first, you know. If you don't get used to the idea that the world ain't what it appears to be. Yes. You're not going to jump into MK Ultra because what you'll run into our child sacrifice, satanic cults, son of Sam.

There's a great book called The Search for Sons of Sam. There were many shooters involved in the son of Sam killings. They were all connected to a satanic cult. It was national at a hub in LA and somewhere in Minnesota and somewhere else I can't remember. And son of Sam, David Berkwood said, oh, there's many more of us. There's many more of us.

And he knew shit about murders that he had nothing to do with and stuff like that. So when you dig into this stuff, it's not imaginable. And there are parents. And I believe this to be true. But again, how true, how much magnitude, how frequently, you name it, I don't know. But there are parents who sacrifice their own kids. That's so non-biological to me. The idea of sacrificing a kid, it's like we evolved for,

four and a half billion years to not do that, right? The branch of the tree that you're on gets broken off if you sacrifice your kid, but at the same time, I do believe it happens. There's Oprah Winfrey, who gets a lot of attention for a lot of weird stuff, but she interviewed a woman who said that she's, you know, like ninth generation, satanic cultists. She said it goes back to the 18th century in my family. So you're raised, it's a religion. I did an interview with the guy.

I don't want to mention his name, although maybe he talks about it all the time, but he's a minister. And if you know his name from that description, don't say it. But he's done a bunch of startup company stuff. He's a real smart guy. And he said that Satanism is actually the fastest growing religion in the world. Fastest is growing, which could be, you know, it's gone from two to four. Yes.

But still, if you dig into this stuff, you find unimaginable things, Things that require that the average person would read it and say, get the fuck out of here. I'm done. This is stupid. And it's easier to buy into the fake moon landing and alien spaceships and shit than some of the stuff you read about trafficking. I was on a podcast, a Zoom call, which is a great Zoom group. I mean, we've talked to so many important people on this Zoom group. We had a guy named Tony Schaffer, who was a face.

Famous Army Intel. When I say famous during a Zoom call, I was fact-checking him. And there he is with Rumsfeld and all these guys, right? This guy was famous. He was involved in the Bergdala or trying to get him back out of ISIS territory sort of shit. I asked him about trafficking in geopolitics, and he said, he starts talking about Epstein, and I sort of cut him off. I probably should let him talk.

I might have learned something I didn't know, but I said, I'm interested in the darker stuff. the stuff that would help me understand why world leaders do things that make no sense to me otherwise. And I said, let me ask you a simple question, which I had the answer to. I knew it. I'd bet a paycheck comfortably on this. But I said, does the Clinton Foundation traffic children? He said, oh, absolutely. Most people's heads would explode being told that.

They go, what? the Clinton Foundation trafficked children? I could show you articles about Clinton Foundation member having to get bailed out of Haitian jails for trafficking children. I mean, they're above the fold articles. They're not hidden. A woman named Laura Silsby, Google it.

Twice the Clintons had to get her bailed out of jail for trafficking children in Haiti. And so once you discover, once you discover that that world exists, then all of a sudden there's kind of no guardrails. And then you're on your own. And as I said to Tucker, I said, you know, you go down a rabbit hole and you discover Go Beckley-TEPI, right?

You discover this entire ecosystem that you didn't know existed. It would be like going on a tour of a, termite mound, you know, and you go, holy shit, this is a complex place, right? So, you know, one of our first, one of our, one of our, one of the first guys in our zoom group to give a talk was RFK Jr. And he, he started out talking about how Sirhan, Sirhan didn't kill his father. And he's been public about that, but he describes, he described right up front how, you know, there were something like 15 shots. The one that killed him was point blank from his back. Sir Han, Sir Han was in front.

of them 10 feet away. None of it made sense. He said the reason Sirhan Sirhan pled guilty to avoid the death penalty. He said if he had gone to court, they never would have gotten a conviction that data was so bad. Just for listeners, I just looked up Laura Silsby. You hit it? I did. And here's just quickly, I don't know if this is going to add anything, but you for sure can comment because I hadn't heard the name Laura Silsby. So this says the Haitian and U.S. governments are investigating Silsby and her group trying to determine why they were rounding up children, many of whom were not orphans. Sillsby and her supporters say they just wanted to save youngsters from the chaos, disease, and uncertainty of a quake ravaged Haiti. Others like Pickets aren't convinced.

A closer look at Sillsby shows that the adoption fiasco has followed a pattern seen in her life. The 40-year-old businesswoman mother of two has been known to make big problems. us big plans and that often give away to questionable behavior and legal action court records so she has a habit of failing to pay employees creditors and taxes and last years alone she saw her home going to foreclosure and watched a number of illegal proceedings against her in her business went their way through Idaho's currents they didn't mention her spending considerable time in a Haitian prison you can find you can find more out there you know so let me tell let me finish that story. She got married and changed her name. She gave up her maiden name. And now she works for,

wait for it, Amber Alert. Say that again. Say that again, Dave. Now, under her new name, her married name, she works for Amber Alert. She works for the group in charge of tracking down missing children. Now, if you want to find, my opinion is if you want to find a pedophile network, find an organization that's supposed to oversee missing children. I think you'll find them right there. I think they've got control of them. So, you know, the estimates are globally that, you know, a million a year disappear, right? 350,000 supposedly disappeared coming across the border. You can hear that number on CNN.

You can hear about child trafficking over the border on CNN. So this is no longer, you know, the stuff of Internet. Now, it could be wrong, of course, because it's CNN, but they're no longer even trying to hide it. Then the question becomes, where are they? And who's got them? And why has no one asked that question? You ever heard CNN ask that question? You ever heard a newscaster approach that?

Because you're not trafficking a kid across the border and selling them for 50 bucks. According to Ted Gunderson, former FBI, shortlisted to run the FBI, he said that the blue hair, back in the 90s, a blonde-haired blue-eyed kid brought 50,000. on the open market. They're not going to trailer parks. They're not going to archetypal, you know, pervy guys. Well, I watched Cash Patel. I forget how long ago, was that a couple days ago, a week ago.

What was that? Talk about finding 5,400 missing children. Yeah, right. But you're right, and he didn't say, and we found them at here, and this is who took them. And you can see pictures of tons of kids that you can't see anything. You can see pictures of traffickers that look like gnarly bastards. You never see the consumer.

You never see the consumer. Well, Kathy O'Brien said that Gerald Ford raped her ass off nonstop. Julian Engel said David Rockefeller raped her ass off nonstop. This is why you don't hear about where they're going. There's a problem in Belgium. the Belgian political high command is it got a terrible problem. We had Archbishop Carlo Vigano in our Zoom group at one point. And he talked about how pedophilia was dominating the global leadership.

He was third at the Vatican or something crazy like that. He was big time. He was sitting next to the Pope often. What did they do to his ass? They excommunicated him last year. There's the guy who's going to run for a chorgasque or something. I can never pronounce the name, but he was a candidate for one of the Eastern Bloc countries, which then they pulled some technicality on him so he got knocked off the ballot.

So he couldn't run. But he said something to the fact that pedophilia is the currency. of geopolitics. Then you got Macron, right? Yes. Canis Owens is in a brawl with Macron. Canis Owens has done a six-part series based on someone else's book, but it's also, she still does a good job.

It tells the story about Macron's wife being a dude, okay, you know, that great. And how Macron was 15, she was his teacher in some prep school. You know, and and, but Macron's background is very shady as to where the hell he came from. Her background is very shady. And Candace connects with it with a dude named Trugano who supposedly became a woman and is able to connect the family up with the guy who's a famous gender transition surgeon. And, you know, she, she does a very thorough job of making these connections. She concludes, and I'm not sure if she's still standing behind this, that Macron's wife is a dude who's also his father. Your head just exploded, didn't it?

Now, here's the deal. The macrons have sued Candace. And Candice has said, bring it on. I am waiting for you. Now, if that goes nowhere, then you'll know they tried to bluff. Now, if it goes somewhere, what they're going to do is they're going to do a DNA test. The first thing we're going to do is we're going to count X and Y chromosomes. And the second thing we're going to do is we're going to look and see if the two,

if Macron and his wife are biologically related. And therefore, if she's not a dude, they'll do it. And if she is a dude and is his father, they won't. Or if she's not a dude, they won't. But if she, you know, a crafty waiter or waitress could get the DNA test done. They've got to be eating dinner at restaurants and stuff, right? Someone is serving the macrons meals.

All you got to do is grab the glass and get the DNA off the glass. You know, you go back to if you just wait into this, you won't believe your head's probably popped off an hour ago. And I just chucked. So I risk my reputation here. What I think saves me is. is that people do believe I'm not lying. Some people think I'm wrong,

and the bots go at me like crazy in the comment section. But I don't think, I don't think I knowingly lie. I read a book called The Moral Animalist says, one of the reasons you self-delude is because when you lie, you have certain facial tells that tell the person you're lying. You self-delude so you don't give the facial, tells. So you can lie believing you're telling the truth. It's an interesting theory of self-delusion. So maybe I'm self-deluding. I just go, if Sean, if I could, if I could

bring Sean of 2019 and sit them right beside us in this conversation, he'd be staring at me going, the hell you got this guy on for, honestly. Like, what do we do in here? But the thing is, This is, you know, we're closing in on a thousand episodes now. And I would say since episode 200, so close to 800 episodes, I've been slowly peeling back an onion. And I'm like, the more I peel back, the less I like, you know, like, it just, it just gets worse and worse and worse. And you think, oh, this is only in the United States. It's only in France. It's only, man.

No, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not. Well, the other thing that it does is you can become despondent for a host of reasons. One is because it means the world's very dark, but don't forget the Aztecs, you know, rip people's hearts out while they're still alive and stuff. So this has been going on for a long time. You can also conclude that you have no chance of figuring it out that you are going to be getting sent down rabbit holes on purpose. I mean, they're very clever at getting you to take the bait.

So that, and one of it is so that you're distracted. The second is so that you take the bait and then you turn out to be wrong and everyone calls you an asshole. And they say, look, look, how bad that call was, right? Now, like Alex Jones, for example, got lost, what, $975 million due to his pursuing of Sandy Hook. I am confident that there's something wrong with the Sandy Hook story. I'm not confident that Alex and where he persisted is correct. So I think he's held firm on the idea that the whole thing was fake. But what I'll tell you is that you've seen the picture of Robbie Parker smirking, right?

That guy didn't lose his daughter that day. Robbie Parker supposedly lost his daughter that morning and he walked up to the microphone. And he's got a smirk on his face that simply crumper. not even theoretically exist on the father who just lost his daughter to a shooting. He would look like he was from the dawn of the dead. I don't know if I'd be able to talk if I'm being honest. Right, but you'd be catatonic. I'm not sure you'd smile for six months.

And he literally walks up to anyone who's listening to search, Robbie Parker Smirk. Can you share that? Do you share that in here? look up Robbie Parker Smirk and share the screen and I'll point to the one when I'll recognize as soon as so so do the share and then I'll find it quickly for you um okay give me a sec here folks let's see if we can't get this here come on come man and and these tells it's it's there's a name for us called something like duper smirk uh right go uh go for work for work from left to right go, I think the, I think the fifth one over is likely to give you a video. See that smirk?

Now keep watching. Now, and immediately after that, he goes into his sad, droopy face. Is that the face of a father lost his daughter? No, no, no, no. That guy lost his daughter Sandy Hook that morning. I don't need to know anything else. I know that's a lie. And there's all sorts of articles about Robbie Parker out there to try to cover the fact that Robbie blew it and didn't know he was being filmed.

And if you watch me, he goes right from that smirk to this forlorn droopy face. I just, so over the weekend. You agree? That's not a person who lost his daughter? Yeah. No chance. I don't well once again I have a daughter that is unthinkable anything happening to her any of my kids and what I was going to say is so this weekend I met a father of a he lost his son in the Canadian military fighting in the Middle East and so when you're talking about losing a kid this is in a profession where that's a possibility yeah So you're ready for it.

And he said, I hate to butcher this story because he was a lovely gentleman. It was a very interesting conversation. But he lost him in 2008. And I want to say, Dave, it was close to a decade before he could find peace again. And that's losing a son in a profession where you realize they're going into the shit. and when you're talking about a school's shooting like i i don't know that morning that morning yeah the range of emotions so i used to go to a dog park and i walked with this guy we always

showed up at the same time i never got his name we just walked and talked and something about him struck me as odd i couldn't tell what it was but he just he seemed to just kind of be in his own world and then one day he tells me that his daughter had been killed by a drunk driver 18 months ago. And I talked to him about it, and I said to him, I said, in presuming that this occurs, how long does it take before you notice that the pain is somehow subsiding? And he said, yeah, it does subside about six months. And then I said, and then you got the problem where you don't want to tell anybody because they don't know what to say, period.

And next thing you know, you're trying to get them to shut the fuck up, right? And he said, yes. And he said, I took a phenomenal compliment. He said, you're the first person to respond correctly. Because people don't know what to do until they get all blubbery. And the last thing, a guy who was trying to cope with that, has to cope with this person getting all blubbery. So I just turned it into a sort of a discussion.

And I read somewhere that was really helpful because I lost a nephew. And I read it before I lost a nephew, which it said when you're talking to a person who's lost someone like that. And we're not talking an 80-year-old wife. We're talking to someone that really wasn't supposed to go. It's gone before their time. Yeah.

They do not want you to pretend as though they didn't exist. They want them to exist. And so you don't avoid the topic. So the natural temptation is to mention the son or something. And then all of a sudden get all twitchy and weird. And at one point, my wife made reference to her, it was her brother, having something like three daughters. He said, well, I have a son, too.

That was after he died. You do not want to erase any way that person's existence. And so when you're dealing with a person who's suffered such a loss, don't avoid talking about the person. Yeah, the lost person. But I look at Robbie Parker. And I go, okay, so there's something wrong. The other thing with Sandy Hook is there were, you know, there's always reports on the scene of these shootings,

whether it's Sandy Hook or some nightclub in Florida or whatever, were the initial reports, which are by far the most pure, the greenest, the most unedited reports. You know, when someone shows up right on the scene, they're almost always more than one shooter. And then often it boils down to one shooter. And that gets profoundly true in things like Las Vegas, where there were shooters everywhere. And so I think the best working model is that these crazy kids, these crazy drug-up kids who are never, ever explained. Right?

You can picture their faces. If you make a spreadsheet of their faces, they all have this completely dead look, right? But no one ever says this is what happened. You just get this ever so brief, casual presentation of the guy, you know, kept to himself, was troubled kid, drugged out of his mind, and now he's in prison somewhere. And then one day I was, when I was writing about the Vegas shootings, they said that Stephen Paddock, CBS wrote a, CBS News had an article. It said Stephen Paddock's hard drive was missing.

And I said, I wrote about it, I said, don't you hate it when you lose your hard drive? Right. And which really illustrates the absurdity of a missing hard drive. And then they proceeded to mention about five other shooters, which I knew maybe three of the five. And they said, their hard drives were missing too, so it's not that weird. And I'm going, no, no. That's all profoundly weird. And so I'm positive.

The Vegas shootings are all fucked up. I'm pretty positive. The Evaldi shootings were all fucked up. I think the Butler shootings all screwed up. I think Charlie Kirk's all screwed up. If you show me a shooting and I will place even money on any of them, that it's a state-sponsored event, one of these senseless killing shootings. I would bet even money on state sponsorship.

Why? I don't know. possibly it's something as simple as if you are brainwashing youngsters and you are training them to be assassins, you can't do experiments on lab rats. So you must test your product. There's 36 bio-weapons labs in Ukraine. They're all U.S.-based. Why Ukraine? Ukraine is the perfect place. You need This is before the war. You needed First World infrastructure for bio-weapons lab. You couldn't put it in Uganda or something, probably.

And you need third world people to work with that are expendable. So you do it in the third world. You do it in a place like Ukraine. We had 36 bio-weapons labs in Ukraine. And you say, oh, how do you know that? Well, what's her name? Come on. The one who actually admitted that who said, fuck the EU, a famous, famous, famous, famous diplomat. She admitted it. Oh, God. Victoria Newland. Victoria Newland admitted on, under oath, that we had 36 by weapons lives in Ukraine.

We're not supposed to have 36 by weapons lives in Ukraine. I'm doing to you what I did to Tucker. I just, just bam, just going from topic to the, topic talking about. But it's a story about how the world is not what any, what people think. And the problem I'm suffering from is they've now figured out, and I think Mike Ben's was most helpful on this one. They figured out that they can't suppress the signal so they're increasing the noise. So, you know, 10 years ago, you could actually piece together a story. Nowadays, the story is just, it's the best analogy is when your GPS starts to read. rerouting you repeatedly. And you just like Charlie Kirk, right? Your GPS constantly rerouting you,

trying to distract you. So you throw up your head and say, I just don't know. I don't know anymore. And then the question is then how do you, as sort of a big, serious hobby of mine, I study these things. And how do you study them when when you can no longer ascertain what is a fact? There is... The Louvre was robbed. You saw that? The Louvre. The Louvre.

The Louvre was the Louvre, the famous French museum, the most famous museum in the world. Yes, it was robbed. The other day, two days ago. Then I saw an article that said, a post had said that they found a Russian passport on the scene. I go, holy shit, that's the stupidest thing. But they supposedly found, you know, Muhammad Atta's passport at 9-11. And so, you know, they'll make stupid times. I think it was a joke, but I fell for it because the interesting farce and fact is now this razor thin margin.

You can be told something that's preposterous and believe it because the shit that seems to be true is preposterous. I was going to share this with you because this was shared to me. It says U.S. Special Operations Command. is currently shifting its focus from conducting kinetic warfare in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere to conducting population-centric human domain warfare in virtually every corner of the world, the infrastructure of which will be the global SOF network has been established. However, success of SOCOM's global SOF network initiative will be mostly solely dependent on quantity. More importantly, the quality of personal relationships established and sustained by a new breed of SOF operator,

an operator knowledgeable of and adept at engaging the root influencers of individuals groups and communities and the reason i bring this back up is you were saying they they can't shut off the noise all they can do is increase it and the thing i would add to that is they can influence the noise right so so you could both do we could both do the same search it would be an interesting experiment at some point is do a search, both of us do it and then screen grab what shows up and yours is going to be different than mine. I found, for example, someone pointed me to this Yandex, which is Russia's search engine, is a good source for searching. It's not to say that if you search something that Russia cares about isn't going to be distorted, but they have no interest whatsoever in covering up the

shit that we're doing. And so if you search shit about Hillary and Bill Popper, and, you know, political enemies and stuff. YannX is not going to filter that out. And so I was searching pedophile networks and some famous Washington, famous Hollywood types. And you couldn't find it anywhere in Google, whatever.

You go to Yandex and boom, there's a child trafficking website right there in front of your face. And now you go there and it's just garbled. Someone scrubbed it. So now you go there. It's just noise. It's just white noise.

You'd search Marina Abramovic now. It's actually hard to find the juicier pictures of Marina. I did it the other day because I was trying to show someone. Marina Abramovic. Images. Images. There's one of a cadaver. No, this is still not hard to find it.

So Marina Abramovic is the most famous. Satanists in the world. Yes. Yep. And she has dinner parties with famous people and they pretend to eat a corpse. One wonders if they actually eat corpses when the cameras are not on. And I'm serious about that. I'm not joking.

And she is, I think, Croatian by birth. And above the full news story points out that Zelensky appointed her to be in charge of the Ukrainian school system. Zelensky did? Yep. Yep. Can I find that? Let's see if I can find it.

Zolensky appointed Marina Bramovic. Zolensky has asked conceptual and performance ardor Marina Abramovich to be an ambassador for Ukraine. So according to AI, according to AI,

that these reports are said to be Russian disinformation campaigns. So the question is, are they rushing disinformation campaigns or is Google AI the disinformation campaign? But I read articles that were above the fold articles. Instagram, Valuetainment, Quora. That's wild to me. If that is, you know, above the board, you know, while you're searching for that,

it's funny because I rag on the CBC so much here in Canada, right? Max Blumenthal says that he did, that she was appointed. Max is pretty good. I was going to say, you know, going back to where we were talking about Laura Silsby, the CBC folks, and the Canadians will find this interesting, actually reported on it. Laura Silsby has been in custody since January 29th and faced maximum of three years in prison. the organizer the ill-fated effort to take the children to an orphanage being set up in Dominican Republic returned her jail cell briefly to retrieve belongings before heading to Port of Prince Airport.

And then it goes on to talk about her on April 22nd, a Haitian judge dismissed kidnapping and criminal association charges against nine other missionaries in Silby's Baptist group. And she lacked the proper papers to remove them from a country at a time when the government was restricting adoption, sprint child trafficking in the chaos that followed the earthquake right it's done in a very you know but the fact that the the good person made a mistake no yeah right uh but a hundred percent that's the cbc but that you know it's it's interesting to me that they actually had a story on it um that's why i say above the fold i mean yes but you go back to my my army intelligence officer who is deeply deeply embedded in the system said absolutely his answer was absolutely and if you come back to this this this uh marina bravo a bravovich i i don't think that maybe i'm maybe i'm misjudging the

audience i'm like oh i know who that lady is you could you just look at a picture of her and you're like i don't want to be anywhere near that like that is you can see that it's full on she's proudly proudly uh showing she's satanic Well, Lady Gaga, for example, got up to her ass in Marina Bramovic's story and Jay-Z, which gets you, connects you up to Diddy, right? I mean, it's a very small world. And Diddy's a great story because Diddy was believed by many, at least, to be sort of an Epstein light for Hollywood, for the rap community itself.

So anywhere where information can flow freely, intelligence wants to get a hold of it, right? They want to control it. And so Diddy supposedly had, you know, the tapes and the perps and the stuff like that. There's supposedly a picture of LeBron and a dress and things like that. There is a picture of LeBron and address. You just don't know if it's real. There is a video, which I believe is real, LeBron waxing, enthusiasticly about Diddy's after parties and stuff like that. And I think the evidence that he abused a shit out of Justin Bieber is probably pretty good. And so it appears as though Diddy did some very bad stuff with minors?

Why do you get arrested? Well, it turns out that one of his victims sued him. And I leaf my way through the lawsuit and it was vivid. I mean, the accusations were exceptional. There were pictures in the suit, things like that. And so let's say you're running a sciop with Diddy at the helm, right? And all of a sudden there's a civil suit against them. What do you do?

The answer is you file criminal charges. You send the FBI and they scoop everything up and they get it the fuck out of it. Trump's talking about letting Galane Maxwell out, right? Trump's talking about letting her up. Yeah. Yeah, he's talking about a pardon. So then the question is, I have not seen evidence that's convinced me that Trump is compromise at the level we're talking about, right?

The real pervy compromise. But I think there's plenty of evidence that Trump hung around with a very rough crowd, which I guess a New York City developer might. And he'd be a target for people who want proximity to him. And so there is that. So Trump has got, I've warned not to assign guilt due to association. So I can show you pictures of Oprah with all the badass black guys in the world. Of course, right?

Oprah's going to know every famous black guy in the world. But I can also show you a picture of Oprah with a guy who's doing five life sentences for writing a satanic cult. I go, I'm not sure that picture should be out there. I can show you pictures of Rosalind Carter and the one picture with Reverend Jim Jones of Jonestown Massacre fame and another picture of Rosalind Carter with John Wayne Gacy, the mass murder.

What's that all about? Search Rosalind Carter, John Wayne Gacey. Spelling it wrong. Rosalyn Carter, John Wayne Gacy. Mm-hmm. who's more famous than Rosalind Carter. Right? Well, you're certain.

You can share it while I'm up. I got to get a cup of coffee that doesn't have curvy and milk in it. Here, folks. I'm going to pull up the screen while, you know, I remember watching. I don't know if Dave can hear me, but I remember watching, I remember watching Joe Rogan when he had really long episodes and they get up for a bathroom break. I'd be chuckling about that. I'd be like, why are they having a bathroom break?

And here he's getting coffee. Okay, here's the photo that you're talking about. Right there. It's a little weird, right? Now search Rosalind Carter, Reverend Jim Jones. While we're doing it, let's complete the story. Rosalind Carter, Reverend Jim Jones. Oh, there we go.

That's him. So you go one, one photo, okay, you ran into somebody. Fine. You take two of the most. Famously bizarre. Yeah, yeah, right. And they're both sitting beside the first lady, and you're like, that doesn't add up. Why don't, you've, I presume you've looked at the Tony Podesta art collection.

Uh, awesome. There's Tony Podesta. No. You wouldn't say possibly. Tony Pedesta Art Collection. Tony Podesta is the brother of John Podestis, Hillary's right-hand man, who's also a lobbyist in Washington, himself, very famous. And they did an article on his art collection.

So search Tony Podesta Art Collection. Okay. All right. I'm going to pull this up too. And I think they try to scrub it, but you can't scrub the Internet because this should just keep showing up over and over and over. Okay. So blow that.

Okay. So starting with the go third from the left. That's Sony Pedesta. Third from the left. That's Sony Pedesta. Next to a bit of art that's a little on the weird side. Okay. Now, right to the left of that.

Right to the left. Go to the second row all the way to the right. That's getting a little weird, right? That's beyond. That isn't a little weird. That's beyond weird. Oh, that isn't even the good one. Okay.

Go back to all the other pictures. Now, go to the one with. all the children it's uh second row now fourth from the the left we're getting kind of creepy in there aren't we okay now go back to the main main thing now now go to uh go to uh no you can't move it on me okay second row one two three four five six seven that one yeah click that one i have seen this that's getting a little creepy okay Okay, hard to picture that. Now I'm going to, I'm going to deliver the knockout punch.

Go back to the main one. Keep scrolling down slowly. Wait, let me look. Let me look. Okay. Oh, here's one. Far right-hand side, the first full row, far right-hand side. This one?

Have fun with that one. Okay. Now go back to the pictures. I'm going to, now I'm going to deliver the knockout punch. Scroll down. You're looking for a picture of one kid in a swimming pool. Keep going down. Keep going. Keep going. I'll spot it quickly. One kid in a swimming pool. Keep going. Okay. Okay. Stop. Lowest full row. Fifth from that one. Okay. Hard to argue that's not creepy, right? Now there's a backstory to this. The Vanderbilt, supposed. you were a creepy bunch.

That is supposedly, that's the inside of a dry swimming pool. That is supposedly inside one of the Vanderbilt mansions. Now, according to the internet, which is never wrong, I'm told. That young lad

is supposed to be Anderson Cooper. Boof. But you can say, oh, that's preposterous. I go, look at the other shit we just saw. Aposterous has a new definition. And then there's a couple of victims who are artists also, and they paint images of things they experience,

and they're horrifying. They're horrifying. So that's Tony Podessa's art collection. And actually, I think it was Atlantic Monthly, wrote up an article on it. And for those listening, Tony Podesta, American lobbyist political consultant art collector, best known as a co-founder of Podesta group,

a prominent Washington, D.C. based lobbying and public spares firm. I'm sure you want to add in a few things to what Girox telling me. That's exactly right. And so there's another thing about the satanic flavor, which is, I think, important. First of all, I think the satanic stuff is the way they break people down. So I think it's actually, like when they grab a couple of kids and they do the whole dissociative identity disorder trick. where they break them into 10 personalities and reassemble them.

You can be talking to a person who's been brainwashed like this, and they will not know about the other nine people in their head. So you can be talking to one who does not have any lived experience that the other nine have. And that's how you can not remember your childhood, because it was experienced by the other nine, right? I think of, it's probably a poor example, but do you remember the movie with John Cusack identity?

I don't, but I should watch it. It's a, it's... I know eyes wide shut. That's a goddamn documentary, best I can tell. Yeah, Tom Cruise, that's a, yes. The reason I bring up identity specifically is it plays out at the start of nine people at a hotel and people, forgive me, are they dying? It's been a long time. I should go back and watch it.

It turns out it's one guy and they're inside his brain and the nine individuals are playing out, roughly. Um, I think. I think there is something within that satanic community. So I'm actually a believer in Pizza Gate. I think the Pizza Gate story has too many. There's too much evidence supporting it to dismiss it. Now, again, I've talked, Nick Bryant says I've looked for the smoking gun. He says, I'm good at this.

I haven't able to find the smoking gun. A lot of smoke, you know, but not. So I take that seriously if they can't find it. But I think Pizza Gates is real. I think the satanic guys, there's something, and you got to think of it as a religion. The only way to explain it is to think of it as a religion. And then all of a sudden you realize that you get the whole sacrificing, and it's all religions have been doing shit like that since the dawn of time.

And I think within that culture, there is some sort of unstated rule that says you have to show yourself. And that's when you see guys like LeBron, I think, and various Hollywood actors do these hand signs, which I don't even want to try to replicate because I'm not trying to get them right. But they have these various hand signs that are Mark of Satan kind of symbols. Hollywood actresses who, actors and actresses who cover one eye, that's a very satanic symbol. And if you search, you know, if you search that, you can find whole montages of the one eye covered. Supposedly, you are supposed to show yourself and sort of out yourself in ways that members of the club will know. The masons come into this story, and I've never been able to figure out if the Mason theme is correct or not. Walt Disney was a 33rd degree Mason and was said to be a perv.

Walt Disney was very connected with the CIA. I always wondered how you put together Disney World. How do you buy up 20 square miles of land? How do you do that contiguous 20 square miles of land? And it turns out Angleton and these guys helped him. He had CIA front companies. And my guess it included some rough stuff. And so, but I think that, and that's how you get information,

because they do tip their hand on purpose by policy. And there's a guy named Cappy, who's a Hollywood producer. And again, this makes it all very complicated. So Cappy's famous. And the guys who chase this shit down like Wiz Crock and Mike Smith and stuff like that, they're always referring to Cappy because Cappy came out and said, look, let's just face it. And he named names.

And he says they're pedophiles. And Cappy, for example, names Tom Hanks, which blows your circuits. Then you realize that Bill Cosby was no sweetheart, even though he was sold to us as the most sweetheart guy. And then you start replaying the tapes and Bill Cosby's son got killed and you go, maybe that story's not as simple as we thought. Right.

But Cappy came out and just accused him, just flat out accuses him and says they're pedophile, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then next thing you know, he falls off a bridge, lands on the highway and gets run over by a truck. And so he's kind of a martyr in the eyes of those who chase this story. Now, if you watch Cappy's podcast, he looks nuts. So he looks like he is on the edge to me. So I don't find Cappy's confession as clean evidence of what's going on as you would hope. because he, now it could be he's nuts because he's, you know, he's up to his ass in this story.

Search Cappy pedophiles and you'll find a picture of him. But he was a prominent producer. He's produced movies that were, that you know. I can't remember them. Chris Capoletto? Am I saying that right? Just search Cappy. Just search Cappy pedophile.

And you will find, because I always see him by Cappy. So I'm... Oh, Isaac Cappy, maybe? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here, I'll bring up... I'll make sure I'm looking at the right one here. Yeah, that's him. And that's a normal picture.

If you look at his videos that he made before he got suicided, he looks like he's on the edge, which could be, therefore, you can't believe what he says, or could be he was driven bananas. Have you ever seen Ann Hesha's video coming out of her burning crash? Yes. And there's actually photos of her wearing the outfit she's wearing in that video from earlier

in the day. So there actually has some pretty good connections. And she supposedly is dead from a fiery car crash. Also, she's being wheeled out on a gurney, you know. And pops up. And pops up and sits up. And by the way, nothing on her is burnt. she's not fried she's not scarred she's not you know she sits up and they push her back down and

cover over and shove her in the ambulance right and she's supposed to make a documentary and then Anthony Bourdain was supposedly involved in outing some people and he didn't make it and so getting getting whacked in this world's pretty straightforward i mean it's pretty common are you worry about that at all in as a secondary source no so i'm not telling anything that's not already on the internet. I had a friend tell me that his grandfather got M.K. altered. I said, could you clarify? He said, well, he went in for a dental problem, supposedly,

and disappeared for two years and came back all fucked up. I was on a podcast. This was entertaining. I was on a podcast with Mike Ferris and Jim Cuncelor. I think it was those two. And Jim starts talking about a podcast he had done the week before with a woman named Elizabeth Nixon. So he's telling the Nixon, he's talking about the Nixon podcast on the Ferris podcast

with me. And Nixon turned out to be a famous person. She spelled NICKS-S-O-N. And she, she supposed was head of Time Magazine, European Division, Life Magazine, American Division. She is very high up in the publishing world. And all of a sudden she starts talking about how her mother was a victim of M-K-L-U-L-R. And she discovers this.

And Jim does not go down rabbit holes comfortably. It's not that he's uncomfortable. He always defaults to the this is bullshit story. I think he's had to come around a few times now. Some of the deniers of conspiracies are getting their cages rattle pretty loud now. But he says, he says, he's telling this story. And he says, yeah, it was in Canada. And I said, yeah, McGill University at an asylum.

And he goes, yeah, how do you know that? Because that's where, that's where, where MC Ultra was done. It was one of the key places. There was a guy named you and Cameron there was doing all the nasties. And he said she starts talking about it. She quits her job, starts studying MK Ultra full time. And then she starts talking about how Kamala Harris has all the properties of a victim. victim. And I had been tracking Kamala Harris, in part because Candace Owens had been tracking

Kamala Harris saying, look, you know, that guy there, that's not her uncle. See that woman there? That's not her aunt. She is not telling a legitimate story. Kamala Harris's mother was not working two jobs. It sounds like she was doing laundry or something to raise Kamala. Kamala Harris, her father was some Marxist professor. Her mother had a faculty position, too. at McGill University. And so, you know, all of a sudden, you go, wow, you ever seen Kamala where she, I thought she was playful, where she could, she'd hot personalities and she'd act Jamaican or something, you know.

And I thought, I bet she'd be a pisser to hang around. She'd be funny at least probably. And, but there was this one time where her teleprompter broke. She was in the middle of a sentence about there being 32 of something. I can't remember what it was. And she started repeating the sentence over and over again like a broken robot, a short-circuiting robot. And it was so prominent that someone nicknamed her Kamala 32, 32, 32, Harris. And so she really looked like her brain was just not capable of comprehending that her teleprompter was no longer working.

and this woman Nixon said you know people say she's stupid this woman said she can't access her intellect that was the phrase used you know what comes to mind is Justin Trudeau you know oh yeah Justin Castro yeah yeah well if you ever watched him speak he was horrific it was it was something

don't you love the Castro theory though I think it looks legit. There's definitely smoke there. Well, he looks like Fidel Castro. Let's start with that. And apparently his mother was, and where I like to discuss, those who have no idea what I just, the world I just entered, the theory is that Castro was Justin Trudeau's father.

And that Justin Trudeau's mother was, was, was a flusy. I would say this, that isn't a theory. That is very much fact. So there's a picture of Castro holding Justin Trudeau as a baby. And there's Margaret Trudeau, I think her name was. Yes. She's got her hand on his chest, like Castro's chest. As I like to say, when I was young, the chicks got her hand on your chest, you're going places, right?

that's a that's that's that's a personal space it's infraction right there and uh and and and and and so she and she had this smile like she was fawning over her baby and his father that's very convincing well i mean you just go back and watch you can watch old videos interviews of margaret she she was a bizarre lady so like that our ladies when i was young dave i'm sure we could keep going i'm I've been, you know, like, it's been a while. Appreciate you hopping on and doing this. Just full stop there. Yeah.

We didn't even knock markets. That's the funny thing. I'm so obsessed by this crap that I, it just kind of flows out of me. Well, I mean, one of the, the things that, you know, I thought we were going to not spend more time on. But, you know, if there's a theme every time I've had you on, it's been a lot about missing. kids and the dark side of that. And so in my, on my sheet, I'd written down pity, pity, pitty. And I was, I was like, I really want to get your thoughts on this. And we've, you know, when you talk about wandering, we've wandered into a lot of different things today. But I don't know,

you know, certainly there are others that have done as much digging as you have into that dark world but I every time you come on I'm like I don't know of many who who stare at that problem and have stared at that problem as hard as you have so I here's what I'll tell you is when I do podcasts oftentimes sort of off camera it comes up and you'd be stunned at the percentage of the podcasters who have been dragged down those rabbit holes the percentage is is unbelievable so so I would say the majority are familiar with those plot lines yeah i don't know i don't have to say things off camera i i like where there's smoke there's fire usually and uh there's a lot of things going on that um

raise eyebrows and you've pointed out a lot of them today so appreciate you coming on and doing this and uh i don't know until the next time i guess appreciate the invite see you later