Shaun Newman Podcast - #949 - Balint Somkuti

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

Bálint Somkuti is a Hungarian military historian, author and security policy expert with a PhD in military sciences from the National University of Public Service. A former lecturer at NKE and research professor at the Mathias Corvinus Collegium’s Geopolitical Workshop. Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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I'm talking about Ballant Shamkutti. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by Balant Shamkuti. Sir, thanks for hopping on. Thank you very much for the invitation. Thank you very much for the chance. And I'll say this. A shout-up to George for hooking this up. But you got one of the most difficult names, and I hope I got it relatively close.

Yep, you did. A funny thing is I had a German boss who asked my Hungarian boss once if I'm not Japanese, because he understands my name as Shimkoshi. Okay. Tell us a little bit about yourself. Start for the audience, where you're talking from, and then just give us your background. Yep. Currently, I'm in Budapest, Hungary, the capital of Hungary.

That's a small Middle Eastern European country. So we are in the easternmost part of Europe. We like to call themselves Central Europeans not to get exchanged or not to get differentiated from the real Eastern Europeans. And basically, I'm a military historian by profession, but I usually do. Something similar to you. Currently, I'm a YouTuber. I've been everything about a hanged man, as I usually say. I wrote three books on various issues about irregular warfare.

My recent two books are about Russia-Ukrainian war. And basically, today, I'm currently completely independent living of YouTubeing and podcasting. Well, I tell you what, how about we, like, Russia-Ukraine has been a topic on this podcast for a long time now. But I'm curious, I guess, for a historian, where you would start that conversation at? Where do you think is the most important time to understanding the Russia-Ukraine conflict or that area? I'll let you take the lead. Yeah. One thing to point out is that the biggest and longest part of this story, which is currently the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, is not told, usually in mainstream media.

this thing hasn't started overnight this thing hasn't started in 2022 this thing has started basically in 2014 when there was a coup which has hosted a democratically elected president was he pro-Russian was he russophile or russophobe that's another issue but he was trying to balance Ukraine in a world which was basically a borderline between western and eastern civilization And after this coup, which was basically financed and supported by various American groups, as Victoria Nuland, for example, as pointed out, it caused them $5 billion to finance this coup and to turn over a significant part of the Ukrainian establishment from pro-Russian to pro-Western stance. Basically, the whole thing started back then.

There's something we have to understand, and this is something difficult to understand, for most, and in that sense I'm also a Western European, that a nation is forming under our very eyes. So for us, to ask this question, who am I as a Canadian, who am I as a Hungarian, is a no-brainer. We know who we are. We know what the borders of our country are. We know what is the history of our country and stuff like that. But in Russia and formerly Russian control territories like Belarus, Russia, I'm sorry, Ukraine

and similar areas, this is a very difficult issue. So the term nation is quite something non-existent in Russian language and also in Ukrainian and Belorussian. So they have a big mess about their identity. Are we Russian speakers? Are we Ukrainian speakers? Are we Ukrainians by ethnicity or Russians and stuff like that? So basically there was a mixture of these ideas. And Ukraine was really a border country, was really a bridge between the East and the West.

And until 2014, that was an undecided question, where they will stand. And in 2014 came this coup where basically it was more or less a color revolution. Some people say orchestrated by the CIA, we don't have any evidence on that issue. The thing is that there were protests against the elected and democratically elected president, and someone started shooting the protesters, and someone started shooting the riot police. And after numerous death, on both sides, the situation has escalated into a full-flesh revolution. So this guy was ousted and he fled to Russia. That's where the whole story begins.

And if you look at Ukraine's map, this is not a country which existed 100 years ago. So basically, the eastern pine of Ukraine is basically Russian-speaking. If they are ethnically rational or not, that's a different issue. but they have Hungarians in Western Ukraine, they had some Poles in other parts of Western Ukraine, they have Romanians and Bulgarians and southern Ukraine. So basically, history has formed Ukraine what it is. And the major issue is that then the Crimean Peninsula that were basically no Ukrainians living. And when they revolted against this new government with the help of the Russian state, they also started a chain of events which led to the revolt in eastern Ukraine,

basically mostly Russian populated industry areas. And these events are depicted in the West mostly as a natural development of Ukrainian identity, but they're very far from that. And by saying this, you are immediately labeled as a Russian backer and also called Putin's soccer in Hungary. So basically, this is a very sensitive situation. So if you speak with Ukrainians, be careful how to approach them because they're very sensitive about this issue. A thing is that we have a thing called ethnocentrism in

Middle Eastern Europe where states which were created or basically significantly enlarged after the First World War, Romania, Slovakia, they have a habit depicting their country which is in the case of Slovakia hasn't existed at all in the history to be, how should I say, a continuation of former countries. And the same issue is with the Ukrainians. So I've read stories about Ukraine standing for 100,000 years with the very same borders. And you know, when you hear these stories, as a story, you know, that is not true. So this is a sensitive issue, which forms this conflict. And we see the sacrifices made on both sides because of mostly along lines like this one.

When you talk about Ukraine, I think I've seen the images of the borders and how they change over year by year, you know, and people have done that image going back, I don't know, a thousand years and just showing how recent Ukraine becomes Ukraine. Can you walk me through that? Like, you know, it's such a, I don't know, foreign thing maybe to me on this side. In saying that, I guess if a guy did the same thing on Canada, you'd know that Alberta and Saskatchewan, for instance, have only been here since 1905, right? That isn't a whole heck of a lot of time when you look at the history of the world but in in europe in your area it just seems like one of the things that's really foreign to a north american is we haven't had a ton of conflicts

on our borders and i think ukraine you know you start looking at you're like you're talking coos you're talking you know bloodshed all over the place it's like is that normal i don't even know if that's the question it's just like maybe walk me through a bit of the the history of that region before we even ever get to 2014. Yeah. You have to know that this is a typical border area. So we are in a, what is it called, a conflict zone between east and the west. And in that case, east means Russia and the west means everybody else.

So this has been a conflict zone. And let's say, 500 years ago, it was a conflict zone between north and the south when the Ottoman Turks occupied the biggest part of Hungary. And at the time, Russia was basically expanding, only expanding to the West. So this issue has been going on since the 18th century. And let me tell you with a story about human stupidity, because Poland, which is basically at the time was something like three times bigger than now, was controlling bigger part of Ukraine and controlling bigger part of the steps and Belarus, etc., was partitioned.

between Russia, Prussia, that's Eastern Germany, and the Austrian Empire. And it was partitioned because the Polish nobility couldn't basically agree on anything. So these three major powers of the late 18th century took the chance and partitioned Poland three times. I think it was 1791, 1792 and 1795. Basically, that meant the start of the breakup of a bigger Eastern Slav country, which was basically Poland and Lithuania and all this part of stuff. And after that came a strange time because borders were constantly changing. Most of the territories were under Russian control.

But after the first World War, in 1917, basically the Russian Empire led by the Tsar has collapsed. And all parts which previously had very little independence, or basically none at all, like Kazakhstan, places which were under different rulers for hundreds of years, they revolted, rebelled and started their own independence. So the first time we can speak of an independent Ukraine is basically 1919. And after the First World War, borders were artificially redrawn in this area. So the Austro-Hungarian Empire was, how should I say, punished for standing beside the Germans. And I'm talking about the imperial Germany in the First World War, not a Nazi Germany.

And especially Hungary was hardly hit because for the alliance with the Antoine Cordial, basically the Western powers, had to promise territories to new nations like Czechoslovakia, which was also non-existent before World War I. and small countries like Romania, which was an insignificant kingdom in the southeastern part of Europe, and they also, or Serbia, for example, they had to be given territories. And since the Turkish occupation and devastation, there were minorities coming to Hungarian kingdom's territory for a number of reasons. They wanted to get their independence, and that has led to the redowing of borders. So the first independent Ukrainian republic, basically, was established after the collapse of the Tsarist Empire, and which has led to a number of issues. There was a Russian civil war between the Reds, the Bolsheviks, and the whites, the Conservatives, basically.

But very few people know that there were other colors. There were the greens, a peasant, basically a peasant movement, a farmer movement, to have an independent Ukraine. That was the blacks, the anarchist. and there were a number of different color groups fighting each other. And after the Bolsheviks have won and the Soviet Union was created, all these kind of national identities were more or less oppressed. For a certain time, they were allowed to thrive, but from the 20s, from the 30s, they were definitely oppressed.

And this is something people won't forget. We won't forget our brothers. There are something like 2 million Hungarians living outside the territory of Hungary. Hungary has something like 9.5 million. inhabitants today and some 1.5, 2 million livings outside Hungary today. They're not, they haven't gone anywhere. The borders were changed so they found themselves outside the country. And yeah, sorry, I'm just, I guess I'm just kind of curious. You know, you say there's 9.5 million Hungarians and roughly 2 million of them, 1.5, 2 million of them now live, they just put a border,

nope, there's a new border right here. Yep. What did the people think of that? If you speak, this is not a truth. This is not as a peace. It's called a dictate. And this dictate was signed in the small palace of Triana, pretty three anon in Versailles. And ever since it's called a Trinon Peace Dictate. So whenever you come to Hungary and whenever it come to my country,

you will speak with anybody, if you speak with anybody that will mention it. They will mention that the West has let us down. So basically. And when you mean the West, do you mean, what do you mean? The British and the French. The British and the French. Okay, thank you. So out of clearly, out of geopolitical interests,

out of clearly geopolitical issues, they wanted to have a region which is incapable of stabilizing. So these demands, because the Romanians wanted more Hungarian territory, the Czechs wanted more Hungarian territory, the Serbs wanted more Hungarian territory. So basically they created a hostile ring around Hungary. And with the sense, it's called Divideat Empire in Latin. It's a nation, it's a millennia-old tradition of major powers to divide local powers and should need arise, you can act as an intermediator, you can act as a judge in these issues.

So they wanted to have chaos in this area in order for the French or the bridge to have a say in what's going on. And basically this has happened also to Ukraine, and there was a first time borders of Ukraine were drawn within the, the Soviet Union, the Ukrainian Republic was created. And basically, if you talk about these kind of issues, that was the first time when the geographical borders of Ukraine were drawn. At the time, neither the Crimean peninsula nor Transcarpathia called Zakharpia by the Ukrainians were part of Ukraine, because Zakarpagia, Transcarpania, belonged to Czechoslovakia, with something like 200,000 Hungarians living there, and the Crimea was Russian.

So basically, that's the beginning of the Ukrainian nation. And that was, in 1936, there was a very hard famine, famine, is it called famine? Famine. Femin, sorry, famine, which has led to the death of millions of Ukrainians. It's called Holodomor. And many say that it was orchestrated intentionally by the Russians, but it wasn't. It was basically communism at its best, so to say. So basically it was all the messed up decisions made by the communists.

They tried to reverse, reverse and all these kind of stuff. So it has led to an immense famine, which has caused untold deaths and suffering in Ukraine. Isn't, if I may, when you say it wasn't the Russians, it was the communists. forgive me my brain goes aren't those two the same thing at that time or not? No no no no. Communists believed and still believe

in internationalism for them nationality national identity means nothing it goes even to that point that even Hungarian communists have given their children their own children to state care to state institutions

to orphanage to be able to focus solely on communism issues. Can you imagine that? Communists are crazy. I mean, they're really crazy and I'm a shocked to see that in West, many people are longing for a communist rule. I mean, believe me, first and experience, I was living under communist rule until the age of 18, 1990. It's not a funny thing, even though we had the slightest oppression here in Hungary. That's a long story. So, communist is an internationalist idea. Many people confuse Russians with

the communists, but they weren't. It was basically a pan-russian, how should I say, it was basically an idea supported by most of the Russians, but many Russians weren't communist, and most of them has fled from the victory of the Bolsheviks. So, for example, the Bolsheviks killed and destroyed Russian aristocracy, for example. So if you meet people with the name OFF at the ending, Blistov, Karloff and stuff like that, they're probably Russian aristocrats who doesn't like contemporary Russia at all because they think it's the child of communism. So they were the communists who were basically overseeing all this kind of thing, but they didn't think as a, yeah, please.

Sorry, I'm just going to try, I'm going to try and understand this. So what you're saying then is communist was what the government became and the Russian people weren't communist. They were just living under a communist rule. Am I separating that the right way? Yes, yes, yes, yes. For example, there were lots of other nationalities in the Russian government. There were Georgians like Stalin was a Georgian, for example, or there were other nationalities as well. So there were Russians, of course, but there were a lot of other nationalities in the communist dictatorship.

Lenny was a Russian, by the way. But for example, his successor, Stalin, is originally called Jugashvili, was a Georgian. so that was an idea that was a novel idea that we we get rid of of these old stuff like nationalism and and and and sometimes even family and we create something new something bright and even though we have to do it by force and that that was that was a magnificent idea of course it wasn't but but many think that we can get over this old word which has brought us nothing but but suffering we can get over it we can build a better word and that was their promise and as shocking as it is until 1950, 60, the Hungarian revolution many people believed. After that, they couldn't say that it's a natural thing. They saw that it's a Russian oppression or Soviet oppression. But don't confuse the Russians with

the communists. And contemporary Russian leadership is not communist. They learn from the communist and sometimes they admire them but they are not communists themselves. There is a Russian Communist Party today, but it's not in power. So this is something that's a, I don't know why. Maybe it's from growing up

and learning about communist Russia, right? Like the two things to try and separate when you say there's communist and then there's and then there's Russia and there and there are two separate things. And I've had many a guest on and you're not the first brain. I just separating those two things is is making my my brain work a little bit. I guess you know like because it's like you read the books on Soviet, Soviet Russia or Soviet Union or so on the Soviet. I guess. And you're like, that's the same people that lived under that tyranny.

Yeah, yeah. We also call them Russians in many occasions. So we use Russian and Soviet as interchangeable. But they're not. But they're not. And for example, the official language was Russian, of course. So that also helps to, let's say, help intermixing it or mixing them. Yeah, to muddle the issue almost, right? Like it's blending it together when they're two separate things. Exactly, exactly. And basically, Soviet Union was pushing a Russian ideology. So, for example, we were taught that everything was invented by the Russians. For example, the wireless radio was invented by Marconi,

but we were told that it was invented by Popov, even though he did it two years later. And I had a quarrel at the age of 12. I was a guy with glasses and I read everything. and when a physics teacher told us that the radio was invented by Popov in 1912 and I said, or not in 13, I said, as far as I know, it was Marconi in 1911. And I said, where did you read it? I said, in an old book. And he said, it's outdated.

The physics teacher said, it's outdated. And I said, how could something be get outdated? I mean, please. So this was their idea. There's a song called Internationale. I don't know what was it called in English. It's a national anthem. of the Communists. If you have

the chance, read it in English. It speaks about destroying the whole world and bringing a new one and we were slaves but we are the lords now and we will build a new word and this all idea is about. And Russia, as a county, was only used to promote

this idea. And in order to give the Russian population something, the official language of the Soviet Union was Russian and all this kind of stuff. So they position and the funny thing is And I think, I hope you won't get banned because I will say this. But for us, Hungarians, communists turn in Hungary, turned liberals, and then they turn the globalists. And the globalist ideas are very similar to what the communists have said.

So for us, living 45 years under communist rule was a very hard experience, but something which taught us how to read between the lines, for example. So going back to Ukraine. It's funny. if I may just add this when you say you went from communist to liberal and the liberals turned into globalists here in Canada we have the liberals and they're led by a globalist right like I mean and and we don't have certainly somebody I'm going to get texts on this that you know we have communism but they they call it socialism right so social welfare it's you know it's we're going to take care of everyone we're going to

get rid of, you know, we got a whole bunch of wacky, wacky ideas coming through that stink, to be honest. Yeah. For example, I have a very, how should I say, strong person, I have a wife who has a very strong personality. I usually call him a conservative feminist because she works for equal rights, equal responsibilities and stuff like that. And no chance I'm questioning this kind of stuff. But for example, in Hungary, before the second world war, it was usual and it was accepted that male I mean men had to work and women were at home with the kids and communists has brought that women can and should work too but it brought that women work and get unhappy by working and there was no chance you could stay at home for example my

both of my grandmothers were traditional wives as we call them today working home with the kids and taking care of the of the house and they were were castigated in the in the communist times they were called a very old-fashioned retarded and all this kind of stuff because they were doing living according to the old model and what i say is of course if when someone wants to work then let them have it but but we didn't get better off when the when the women were forced to work in communism so this has brought for example the first generation called the key generation because they were children with the key hanging around their neck because both of the parents were working and the big families where the grandmother

was at home were destroyed because they had to move to the city to get a job. So it's a very, how should I say, inconsistent and inconclusive story, but we were not given the chance of accepting this new idea. We were forced upon us. And everybody who was not working as a woman was called a dangerous avoider of work. Can you imagine that? That was a, that was a a crime under the criminal law that you are dangerously avoiding work even though she wanted to stay at home and the kids were called the key generation because they had the house key around their neck yeah yeah yeah so it's it's i mean uh of course equal job equal responsibilities equal play i'm not completely accepting this and completely supporting that idea but what they what the

communists have brought was something like uh how should i say was basically completely new and I think it wasn't well out thought so how how does it come that before the war for most of the middle-class families it was enough only for the father to work and after the war they couldn't get along with two salaries what what did that happen in the meantime of course a world war has happened I understand it but but how after reconstruction and by the 1960s the country was rebuilt what happened after I know communists happened but you know that's the strange story that but yeah we have got we've got off of of course so let's get back to Ukraine because there's a lot of sad and long stories about this issue and sensitive issues

I wouldn't get would like to get into political debates and would like no no I'm I'm quite enjoying the conversation never apologize for it derailing a little bit I do want to get back to Ukraine but I have I have another question on on communism maybe just a thought and then and I'm just curious you're you know growing up in communism You know, people could try and make communism sound like it's a good idea, but I think most people in the West go, that's a terrible idea. Didn't we fight communism for a hundred years? Didn't communism kill all these people? They can try and like glide over that. And so instead of using the word communism, if I go back to what they've done with you guys, is you said communism to liberals to globalists. Because, you know, there's no negativity around the word globalist. Now, forgive me my audience there's definitely negativity around that but as a world as a whole you're going globalist what what is that right it doesn't come with the same negative track record of communism would you agree with how they've they've shifted communism to to a different name so they don't

have to be attached to all the historical atrocities of it yeah yeah the same as happened to Hungary. For example, the Hungarian the one party system and the Hungarian one party was called the Workers Socialist Party. It wasn't called Communist at all. Because after the 1956 uprising, they couldn't call it communist because everybody

was upset. So they had to call it socialist and people's democratic and all this kind of stuff. So they invented new words. But you know, you probably heard George Orwell in the 1984. And basically Orwell has written that all. He was banned in the previous system, of course, naturally. But when we had the chance to read it,

and funny thing is that the communist started dismantling their own system in 1988, because they were promised from West Germany at the time that was Western Germany and from US and from France, they were promised that they will keep their money and they will keep their influence. So they started dismantling their own system exchange for financial and economic advantages. They have translated and printed it if there was the communists who first left orwell printed in hungary you know that that was also a crazy situation but we had to struggle with the so-called post-communist for 20 years after the change because they were just simply catching up as should i say uh trying to retain their power so it's it's a crazy thing and it's clearly really crazy that you can

rebrand something and it's something like i called the nazis how should i say UFO believers or whatever, and then suddenly they will become nice people. They haven't. But in many people's minds, communism is not a bad thing because there was not a Nuremberg trial for communism. That's a very serious issue that for many Westerners, when I see rich high-class kids dreaming about communism, then I would like to tell them that you guys will be the first to get dragged away by the communist in the very moment they get to power. Look what's happening in New York.

happening in New York. Well, what do you see happening in New York? Well, that guy's first speech was about unequal rights and all this kind of stuff. And I listened to it and all the alarms bell have ringed in my mind. So I've seen, you know, been there, done that. So when I, it's very hard to describe a communist, but when you hear one, you know it. And we had the dubious honor of having lived under a communist, but we realize and we know communist, and we know communists when we see them and the most depressing thing for hungarians was the fact that the western people like germans friends americans brits and all this kind of who came to hungary just did not understand that they are supporting the communists in the in the in the in the in the

under these guys of liberals and for us hungarian conservatives was a continuous humiliation for 20 years between 1990 and 2020, that they just didn't want to accept this kind of thing. Because communists promised them everything. We Hungarian conservatives thrived to get something for Hungary as well,

not only of themselves. There were always corrupt people. I'm not saying that we are better than the others, but the communists were willing to sell everything out. And when we see Western liberators coming to us and doing and acting like the Russians, that was a very sobering thing for most Hungarians.

okay i agree i'm not going to argue with you on it one of the things i love talking about eastern europeans when they've lived through communism it's like what am i going to say i mean like i everything i learned about communism i want nothing to do with it i see the language be twisted so that today's public will agree with it because it appeals to their heartstrings and they don't look deeper into it and where it can lead. And so we don't use communism. Nobody uses that word. I shouldn't say nobody,

but it's not often, you'd be scoffed at if you started calling the Canadian government a communist. We're not communist. No, we're socialist. It's the famous, I think it's an American saying. If it's yellow and it quarks and it's a duck and you can call it anything else, but it's still a duck. Yeah, because it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

It's a duck, folks. Yes. Yeah, exactly. So you can call them anything you want. That's why I said. You can call them liberals. You can call them globalists. I see the communists.

And they have the same struggle again, national identity. They have a same struggle again, traditional family values and all this kind of stuff. So for us, for me, that doesn't make a difference. So you can call them whatever you are. I still treat you like a communist as simple as that. And in New York's case with a man, Danny, or I hope I'm saying that, right, folks. once again. Yeah, with him coming in, he's promising all the things that you're like, that sounds lovely, but that right there is scary because I've lived it.

Exactly, exactly. You know, Margaret Thatcher had the saying that the issue with socialism, I think she said socialism, is that sooner or later you ran out of other people's money. And we can say the same. So basically what we see and what I can imagine that for many people, communism can be an attractive idea because it offers you a chance of which you were deprived formerly in the capitalist or whatever system. But it doesn't bring new possibilities. It brings new oppression possibilities. Sorry, please. No, I just, I interviewed Martin Seaf. He's a journalist

who now lives in New York, but he's originally from Ireland. And he was saying there's a disconnect between some of the regions of the world and it's all over the world it isn't just in one country where they mess with ideas and he says they have all these fanciful ideas

but they actually don't put them you know like don't have to work with their hands don't have to you know like and he was to my brain coming as a farm kid coming from the farm and you know one would be that a boy could be a girl right it's like any farm kid goes that doesn't make any sense it's like yeah you can't

Can't milk a bull. I'm sorry, folks. That doesn't work. You try that. You're going to be hurting. You can try it. You can try it. You could try it, but I would suggest it. And, you know, you bring one city kid out for for a weekend and they're going to have their eyes open on a whole bunch of different things. And what he was, you know, positioning to me, I think, was that, you know, like, that's what happens is. You have all these fanciful ideas. We're going to provide for everyone. And then if you come from a different background where you work with your hands or, or, you know, you got to go out and see what the real world kind of is, you're going to in front of with a whole bunch of ideas where all that fanciful jargon is a load of BS and you know it. And yet, what do we see all the populations doing, uh, coalescing in these giant urban centers? And what are they choosing? They're choosing to have, we'll take care of you. It's going to be great. We're going to make all rights equal. It's, it's going to be the safe place. We're going to treat everyone lovely and, and in all this fanciful stuff. And yet that isn't the way the world works. And yet we're seeing different areas all choose that. Is that just the confrontation of just two different, I don't know, people and ideas?

Yeah. What you're saying is common sense. And I've read somewhere that common sense is a right wing radical thing. So be careful. Yeah. Well, we've been called an awful lot of things on this show, as I'm sure you've been shared in some of those comments as well. You know, when I say what I know from history, I want to. called a Russian friendly or a Russian stooge, whatever.

And when I tell people that we Hungarians have fought the Russians more than anybody else except the Poles. So we have fought them in 1848-49 or fight for independence against the Austrians and the Russians. Of course, we lost, but it doesn't matter we tried. Then we fought them in the First World War. Then we fought them that was a Hungarian Communist Republic, People's Republic, 1999. That was also a fight against Russian influence. Then we had the Second World War, and then we had 1956.

So basically, we fought them five times in the last 160 years. We don't like the Russians. We don't like them. And in any of these guys, be the communist, whatever. But we know what they are. And this is something you shouldn't forget. When you live next to a guy, a mobster, let's say, or a bodybuilder with a bad mood, you just don't step on his foot and you don't piece over the fence.

It's as simple as that. Or next time you bring your friends along. That's again, pure logic. And going back to the attractive ideas, I've been to Italy. I'm a big Navy fan, even though Hungary has lost its entrance to the C hundred years ago, but I'm a big Navy fan. And I've seen a picture of a 19th century warship coming out of a hill. Can you imagine that?

And I told to my wife, I know we are going there with kids, but I have to see this. So we went there, and it's called Vittoriale. and it's basically the resting place of a fascist and an Italian fascist poet called Gabriel de Anuncio. I didn't know that. I only see the warship. Okay, I said, if we are here, let's go inside. And there's the tomb monument of that guy as well.

And there are very modern sculptures around the tomb. It's a very, how should I say, bizarre experience to go there. And they have, I think it's made of plaster, some very bizarre dog statues. They were their favorite dogs. They were greyhounds. And it was there. I'm a historian. I read all the other kind of books. I think I've read about 2,000 books in my life. And it was there when I realized that fascism and communism was an attractive thing for many people. At the time, it was modern. It was something really uplifting to have something different to this old quasi-feudal world.

And at the time I realized when I was there at this at this two months. monument, that for many people, it has offered some sort of salvation. And later, I met my, I mean, before that my father-in-law, who was a true believer of communism. And we had a long range of discussion, sometimes the debates. And in many occasions, he could overcome with the saying that, believe me or not, in the place where they live and where I live currently, there were people still living in the 20th century in caves. And when communists came, they have built hoses for them with warm water, with heating, and it was something like, for them, it's like a jump into the space age.

And you just can't explain that. And I said, okay, I accept that. But why did it take 200,000 Soviet troops to upkeep this system? Because the moment they set their foot on the leaving trail, they left Hungary, the whole system collapsed and he couldn't answer that question of course so basically this this situation about ideas was something completely new to me and even you have to understand that for many people who feel oppressed this is a this is a chance a possibility but believe an old easterner that this is not the right way so this is something history has put into the trash bin for a

reason yeah it's put in the trash Benjamin, you know, out here in the West, we seem to look at the old trash heap and think we can make something new with it. You said something along the lines of we don't like Russians. We live by a mobster. We just understand the mobster's rules and don't piss over his fence. And if you're going to do that, take your friends along because it's not going to be a friendly exchange. Yeah. When you look at Russia, Ukraine, then do you go the russians are in i don't even know if it's right i don't even know who's

if it's good or bad i don't know if we should be even using those two turn uh terms but out here in the west i'm probably the odd ball for being like i think i side more with the russians on this like everything leads towards we're provoking it we're doing all the things that are but then you go we don't like the russians okay walk me through this then What is, when you're looking at this Russia-Ukraine conflict and you have a history of the Russians absolutely messing with your country, what do you see in this conflict? Okay, let me start with one. I usually use a term in my own show that is called, it's like a bar brawl. Okay. People go to a bar, they start drinking.

A fight breaks out. Yep. and then start insulting each other's mother. This is a natural thing in a bar. I mean, not a good thing, but a natural thing. And someone starts a fight. And the first one to start a fight is the responsible, even though his mother was insulted many more occasions

like the other party's mother, you know? So this is what happened in Ukraine. The Ukrainians after 2014 started a path, and this is where we have to get back into the history of Ukraine, started a path which is very excluding. I mean, this is a part where nobody matters in Ukraine but the Ukrainians. I mean, this sounds odd a bit, but if you look at the ethnic composition of Ukraine and you realize that something like 40, 44% of Ukraine wasn't Ukrainian in Ukraine

or wasn't Ukrainian speaking because, like I said, it's a very, how should I say, blurly line who is Ukrainian speaking and who is Russian speaking and also there are Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians and Pose and stuff like that, then you realize that this is something extraordinary and

after the German attack on Ukraine there was a movement called OUN which was basically led by a guy called Steppen Bandera who was worse than the Nazis because the Nazis said that there are

Aryans, Aryan people like Germans and the northern people and stuff like that. Everybody likes slaves that don't make a misunderstanding. It's funny to see in Hungary, Nazis, because we were treated also as underlings. We were treated also like intermension. We weren't equal to the Germans. But that Bandera guy said that, oh, I like the Nazis, they will remove the Soviets, and we can start a Ukraine, where everybody is Ukrainian. And he despised even the Germans.

Can you imagine that? And basically that guy first helped the Germans to oust the Soviets. Then we realized that he won't get help from them to create an independent Ukraine. He started fighting them as well. So they were basically as radicals as crazy like the most fanatical Nazis. And he started fighting both the Soviets and the Germans. So that was a crazy thing. When is this?

When is it? You talk, the Germans going in. 1942. So basically in 1941, Germany invades Soviet Union. Ukraine comes under German rule, and this guy appears basically out of nowhere, and starts supporting the Germans. Many occasions, people creating the Holocaust in the ex-Soviet

territories are not Germans themselves, but the so-called Heavy or Heves-Willy gas, so basically oxy troops, like Latvians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, sometimes unfortunately Hungarians, Romanians, Slovak's and stuff like that. So many occasions these dirty work were handed over to Allies, to German allies. The Wehrmacht and the SS had had his hands in it, in many occasions that's unquestionable, but in many occasions these were handed over to these auxiliary troops. And top one was them Ukrainians.

And after that, basically when Bandera realizes that he won't get help from the Germans to build an independent yet German-aligned Ukraine, but they want to have a Ukrainian commissariat. Basically, they want to have the same system in Ukraine like they did it in Poland. Then he rebels against them. I think it was 1943. And he starts a guerrilla war, a partisan war again, both the Soviets and the Germans. It's as crazy as it is.

And after the Soviets, the Soviet army, the Red Army reconquers Ukraine, he goes on a partisan war against Stalin himself. Can you imagine that the greatest dictator of all times. and they fight them. And they even kill, I think, I don't remember if it was Marshal Konev, Wattuckin, I keep forgetting their names. But that guy was a hero of Stalingrad. And basically, he was killed by Ukrainian partisans, I think in 1946.

And he keeps on fighting until 1951 or something like that when his movement is completely erased. If he flees to Western Germany, by the way. So this guy is the founder of the contemporary Ukrainian thought. and in many occasions people question that how is it possible that this guy who is worse than the Nazis as history shows is revered as the founding father of Ukraine and that's Russian propaganda that Ukrainians are Nazis

they are not but revering Bandera they reverse something worse than Nazis and this is something also doesn't get through to the West they are by the way there are Nazis in Ukraine in units like Azov, Krakhan and similar extremist groups there are clear gratis. Many say they're only 20%. I think even one is one, two more.

But in that sense, it's a very strange thing that the West turns a blind eye on the fact that on many occasions what the official Ukrainian line is is supporting somebody who was worse than the Nazis. When you say the Germans went in and then they handed over to auxiliary troops or auxiliaries, or... They were auxiliares.

When, forgive me, what is this guy's name? Bandera. So Bandera gets in the power. Is he from the Ukraine region? Yes, he is. He says it's a clear-cut Ukrainian from, I think he was from Western Ukraine, but I don't know his place. But if you Google up Step on Badera, you will find him.

So he's a guy from the area. The Germans come in, take over control, sees an opportunity to work with the Germans, jumps on it, becomes worse than. oppresses his own people, essentially, and then realizes, maybe there's a chance here for a Ukrainian nation, that I can push out both the Germans and fight the Soviets, and we can have our own, I don't know, civilization. Yes, thank you. Right here. Yeah, yeah. But during that course, he massacres Pauls, for example. He massacres Jews. He massacres everybody who is not Ukrainian and not supporting him. But that's confusing to me because when you talk about Ukraine, you rattle off that they got like, I don't know, is it five different groups of people? Is it 20 different groups of people? What the heck is a Ukrainian if you have Poles and Hungarians and Slovaks and all these and Russians and everything? How would you know what a Ukrainian person even is? That's a good question. And that's why I say that like a newly created nation and Ukraine itself is fighting.

to define himself right now. So this struggle has been going on since 2014. And the problem is that they are trying to build on a foundation, which is clearly, how should I say, a racist one. It couldn't be described as anybody. It's not an exclusive one. It's not an excluding one. It's not something like a radical one.

It's clearly a racist approach. That you have to be born as Ukrainian, you have to speak Ukrainian and you can't even practice your own language like and the main thing that started the whole Ukrainian war was that they're trying to ban Russian and Ukraine I mean they can do it with

150,000 Hungarians which is something like less than 1% of Ukraine and Hungary is a small country but you know how wise it to mess the guy and you know I usually use the example that when the mafia mobsters dog pieces over the fence you don't get there to

shoot the dog so this is something, what happened to the Russians living in Ukraine. And that's why it's crazy that some Ukrainians claim that Ukraine is there for 100,000 years, 100,000 years. You know, you know the Romanians, you know the Neanderthals. That's the current view of Ukraine in Ukraine is clearly something which goes against historical evidence and all this kind of stuff. I mean, I don't have issue when people invent history like the Romanians have invented that they are relative of the ancient nations. That's their story, but that's a funny thing. But, you know, they don't, I mean, they do it much less violently than the Ukrainians. So this is the issue which people don't

understand and why Hungarian government and Hungarians have issues with Ukrainians are the exact same thing. Hungarian minority had some rights before 2014. And they were taken away. And what we do is continuously asking the Ukrainians to give it back. You just can't take away rights to speak on the street Hungarian. I have a friend who is a diplomat and he was, how should I say, mugged on the street, not mugged, but he was verbally attacked on the street for speaking Hungarian. He had to show his passport that he's Hungarian and that's why he's speaking Hungarian to his wife. So can you imagine a situation? You go somewhere, you speak English and you get assaulted? I mean, this is crazy and that people just don't understand and don't want to know about it.

everybody who says you will be and I will be paid by Putin and we will be everything by gentlemen after this show gets out, believe me. Because that's the, that's the truth. I've been to Ukraine and I was very careful and cautious listening to what people say on the streets. I was there an official mission, but I felt like insecure about this idea that was last summer. So it's crazy what's going on there. It's really crazy. And imagine that those people who, the Russians and the Russian society and the Russian elite thinks as their brothers, they were oppressed, they were beaten, they were tortured and all these kind of stuff after 2014 for speaking Russian. No wonder they rebelled. And it's been going on ever since then. And the 2020 to attack by Russia, which is an

aggression due to the UN Charter, even though a provoked aggression. So for example, Russians wouldn't like to accept that it was an aggression. I said, okay, you are signers of the UN Charter, you are in the United Nations Security Council, you accept that no country should attack the others. What the U.S. did against Iraq was a similar aggression or the NATO did against Serbia was a similar aggression, but it doesn't, how should I say, exempts you from the fact that you made aggression against a member state of the UN. Let's get out of the UN, let's get out of the Security Council. And you can say that we don't abide by the rules. This is something going to happen, by the way, anyway, soon. UN will go also down the drain.

The UN Security Council is going to go down the drain? And along with the UN, yes. You know, there was a League of Nations between the two World Wars. It was disbanded because it was ineffectual. And that's what we see in the case of the UN. They couldn't hinder any aggression after the Cold War. There were a number of aggressions. I'm not talking about Afghanistan because that was an attack organized by the Taliban

or supported by the Taliban and al-Qaeda. That was a clear-cut Article 5 attack on Afghanistan. but Iraq was an American aggression, Libya was a NATO aggression, Agathafi, there was no, I'm going to say, no reasons, no clear-cut reasons to attack those countries. And because the Americans have carried out aggression about countries or in countries all around the world that doesn't entitle anybody else to make aggressions. And I know the Ukrainians provoked the Russians, that's without any question, with Western help, by the way. So after 2014, all modern social media and other social engineering methods were applied in Ukraine to raise the level of nationalism. And it's not patriotism. I'm a patriot. But my patriotism means that I don't exclude people living in Hungary. They come here. They obey the rules. They speak Hungarian. I don't care how they look where they come from. That's what patriotism.

Nationalism is when you want to dictate how they think, what they say, what they do. And that's why we have issues with Slovakia and Romania because they do the same as they do in Ukraine, but in a less violent way, by the way. So basically, this is what's going on, and that's why the whole world started. And if you say that, yes, there was a Russian aggression, but it was a provoked aggression, a provoked aggression by the Ukrainian government and the provoked aggression by the West, then you are immediately a Russian friend and then Putin, Stoge, and whatever you call them. Why?

There are reasons why the Soviets attacked. It's still an aggression, and the Russians get upset when you call that it's an aggression, but it's still a fact. So basically what happened, that there was a Minsk won and there was a Minsk two agreement, excluding the Americans, you know, and then nothing happened, and the Russians got enough, and they said, no. And this is where we are now. Not nice. And I have a saying, it's not nice, it's not friendly, not ethical, but that's the way it is. so yeah it's i find fascinating i just find it fascinating right you're sitting there you're like is is is is is puttin a great guy no he is a dangerous man i'm not i'm not

no no i know don't don't don't don't piss on his fence folks just don't piss on the guy's fence because you do that you're asking for it right we're in a bar fight it's like putin's probably not the guy you want to insult his mother 16 times over And yet, what have you done? You poked, you poked, you poked. Then he starts it, and you go, that's aggression. And now everybody gets to come in and land on the Russians as being the bad folks. And yet the lead up to it, it's if you talk about it, and I completely understand,

if you talk about it, then you become a whatever, a Putin lackey or, you know, somebody that supports Putin. You're like, what are you talking about? I'm just looking at the conflict and going, this doesn't make any sense. Like, are we going to act like there was history before this? just on 2022. That's all there is, folks. Walk away. We're going to send them billions upon billions of dollars. And I don't know. Maybe you know the figures on how many people have been killed in that conflict now? It's way over a million on both sides. I mean, including both sides, that together combined. But you can't have exact numbers. That's also a sensitive issue.

there is a basic rule of combat since the invention of artillery. So basically since the 17th, 18th century, a majority of people killed in battle were killed by artillery. So ever since, it's a thumb rule that most people will be killed by artillery shells and explosions, shrapness, and all this kind of stuff. So if you look at the numbers, who has more artillery, then it is Russia about two or three times more. Who will lose more people that side with less?

artillery but if you say that you're also again lucky or something like that but it's also a very step-by-step military reasoning so ukrainians have probably lost more men than the russians and the majority of russian rossies were in 2022 and 2023 and ever since they keep up an approach where they basically destroy everything in their path like they usually do like they usually do the russians are in love with artillery the biggest kind of all times is the so-called tzah cannon is still in in in in in moscow you can see it's it's a huge huge one and for example when we were fighting the russians in 1848 the hungarian army was shocked to see that the russians have doubled the artillery like the austrians or the hungarians do per every army course for example

so the russians are in love with the artillery and and ever since this is a how should i say a well-known part of modern warfare you can see where the majority or where there are more casualties. So this is also a very logical, provable, step-by-step logically destructed thing and still people deny it and claim that it's false. So this is a crazy war. I call it the first post-truth war because everybody believes what they want to believe. You know, I won't say, you know, like Canadian society. That'd be a silly thing for me to say, but I think on, I could speak comfortably for my audience, you know, that we stare at this and, um, see the escalation that's, that's happened since the beginning of

this. And, you know, there's a lot of talk about, you know, nuclear armament and whether or not we're going to, we're going to see a full global conflict. You know, sitting in where you're at, like, are you, are people worried about that? Like, did they, do they see this? And I, or are they just go both their day by day and it's not that big a deal it's just a rush ukraine conflict it's only a million people like that number in itself is shocking you know like that that is a lot of dead human beings um you're you know where where you're at like do people talk about this are they worried about the fact this could escalate and pull hungry into a conflict or is there no fear of that yeah that's a real real possibility and uh there's a chance that my viewers can uh

write me questions, and majority of the question relates to the escalation into other territories, including Hungary. So that's a real threat. And if you speak about a nuclear exchange or a nuclear Armageddon, you shouldn't worry about it. It will be over in an hour. So it's not something you worry about. It's like you worry about going on the street and the brick hitting your head, and you just can't do anything about it. So it goes like a meteorite or an asteroid. If they hit you, then you're dead.

So don't worry about it. And I also suggest to your viewers that you shouldn't worry about nuclear war. It's not something you can survive. And those people trying to hide in shelters for two or three years will come out and see a word which is basically unsuitable for human life and they will die three years later, as simple as that. So there's a certain fatalism in that you can't avoid it. But about what we are worried is that fact that the chauvinists,

and that they are worse than national as a chauvinist in Ukraine may try to escalate into Hungary because Hungarian government is opposing their intents and they, you know, it's a very simple question. So you have somebody who's less than 1% of your population. How big damage would it be to your interest to let them speak their language? But this is a member, this is a thing of principles.

And in their principles, Ukraine is a country for Ukrainians only. And they just couldn't give you that inch of leverage or freedom, whatever. And they're surprised that Hungary is not towing the line, not falling in line with the rest of the Europeans. So yes, that's a certain fear that it will escalate into Hungary. And even today,

even today the Ukrainian army is the strongest in Europe. That's without question. With your most experience and stuff like that. So it's a real threat that it will escalate into Hungary. Our only hope is in the NATO. Basically, if they come to Hungary, that's a clear-cut Article 5 event. But guess what? When there was the guy who was called Sleepy Joe, whoever was running the US for four years, we have serious doubts if the Ukrainians attack us, will they come to us to help us,

even though there's an obligation coming from the Washington Treaty forming the NATO. Can you imagine that? So we joined the NATO to get defense and they were so clearly against us for trying to protect our people in Ukraine that even the NATO security guarantee was questioned. Can you imagine that? So we are living in a clearly crazy world when everyday taboos and rules break and break down, which you would think one day before that it's impossible. You're leaders Victor Orban, correct? I'm a conservative and I support a conservative government. Well, that's an interesting answer.

Explain that to me. We are facing an election. And today is everything at stakes. So when I say I support the government's actions, I say in most occasions I do support them, but I'm not a member of the party and I'm not a government payroll. So I'm an independent podcaster with a known conservative and religious attitude. I'm a Roman Catholic and I usually talk about not too often, but sometimes on my shows as well. So this is my known attitude.

But if you call someone today in Hungary or in Europe, a supporter of Orban, Victor, that is something like a stigma, like, you know, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, it's, it's, it's, there's a, there's a, there's a ideological war going on in the West between conservatives and communists turned liberal turned globalists. Correct. Okay. That makes sense to me. And in that struggle, if you support one of the, let me start from a different angle. For the globalists, the globalists for me are like Muslim radicals. You know, Muslim radicals have a big Satan and a small Satan.

The big Satan is the US and a small Satan. is Israel and from the globalist they also have two satans the big Satan is Donald Trump and the small Satan is Orban Victor so that's why I say that you have to be very careful about these these labels or terms that was not the answer I was I don't know what I expected I probably misunderstood you could you ask it again please no no I'm just like you're an independent, outspoken YouTuber. Correct?

Is that a fair assessment? Yeah. Where people probably are annoyed with you because you talk openly about Russia, Ukraine, that makes you a Putin supporter or whatever they're going to label you with. Meanwhile, all you're pointing out is the fact there's more to the conflict than just the aggression, right? It's like, let's take a look at the full scale of it. I bring up Orban, who is a conservative, correct? Yep.

And your answer is, I support a conservative government. It isn't that you support Orban. And I find that interesting because I'm like, okay, so you're a guy sitting in a country where from the West, where I sit, I guess I just see the good things Orban does that get talked about a lot. Yeah, yeah, we all do. Yes, of course. okay it's like it's like asking me are you a Trump supporter you know it's I support certain actions but I'm not a supporter per se

so if you say I'm pro or against of course I'm pro but it's it's for us today it's something like do you completely fall in line with him and I'm not completely falling in line with him I support his actions towards Ukraine I support his actions against the globalist

in the European Union I support these actions in foreign policy, I support actions in many occasions in internal policy, but I'm not a, how should I say, a supporter of completely 100%, let's say, 80% on 85. You know what I mean? I think there's a difference. So that's why I'm saying that I think of myself as a independent person with conservative views without clearly supporting any political party. was that the right answer it's a very balanced dancer i'm all here for it because i'm like

you kind of sound like me right like it's like well do i i am a conservative you know it's just a very balanced answer because you know coming back out here in the west we have daniel smith of our premier right obviously i'm not a fan of our current federal leader in mark kearney but you know i go Orban. And I'm like, you know, he gets championed West here where I sit. Definitely. Because of some of the things he's done for your, what looks like he's done for your country. One of them is trying to increase the population. Forgive me, you're living this.

So if I butcher this, you just, that, you know, women should have more children. If you do that, there's going to be tax incentives. Has that been a good policy or bad policy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, what I'm trying to say is that basically he has become a poster figure for a number of things. And it's like, you know, George Soros. So basically he's not the mastermind behind the liberal elite. But he has become a poster figure for something.

And when you say if you're a supporter of Orban, that means that you support basically everything he does, which is clearly not true. So that's why I'm saying I'm... Okay, I was the seventh biggest scandal in Hungary in 2014. You were. I was, yeah. And what happened? You know, there was a 1956 revolution. Of course, as a conservative, my family supports wholeheart as I do.

And there was the day of remembrance, 4th of November, when the Soviets came against Hungary. And this is the habit of the globalists in Hungary to compare the 1956 uprising to the Ukrainian war. And I was clearly upset about the emptieth chance they took to compare Ukraine to Hungary in 1956. And I written a Facebook message that it sounded like if you don't recognize the futility of fighting an overwhelming power, you are not a hero, but a fool. And I meant that there's a Hungarian freedom fighter called Gergei Pongratz, who fled, by the way, to the US after 1956, who said,

when he realized that the Russians are bringing, you say Russians and Soviets are the same in my speech as well, when they see, when he saw that they're bringing superior firepower, even aerial bombardment to his position, he said that there's no chance for us to carry on with a revolution, we should withdraw and carry the fight from outside because they come here with overwhelming power which we know which we know all too well and i wanted to refer to him but i forgot to put his name and after two minutes i corrected the post

that it clearly showed my true intention but i was under so much scrutiny on the globalist media that they posted my original and wrongly worded post as a as a confession or something like that and i was labeled a communist because of that so after that i was fired from all positions i held wasn't a statement. It was a misunderstandable term. So ever since I say I'm an independent figure, I don't belong to anybody and I don't support. I'm glad you shared that because that makes sense to me. That is why you're like, well, do I, do I support them? I'm a conservative because you've been attacked by the establishment for a misrepresentation of your intent or your wording. Exactly. When you say you're removed from all positions, what were you in

20, sorry, was it 2014? 2024, sorry. 2024. What positions were you in that you got removed from? Yeah, I was teaching at the National University of Public Service and I was also having a position at a newly formed governmental body. Oh yeah. So you came under heavy scrutiny then. Yep. Yep, yeah. So that's what I'm saying. And I understand that I was a liability. Question. Question. And I, I, that.

my curiosity is just getting the best of me i assume orban didn't come out and did he come out anyway on this uh did he did he did he say anything about this he did he said on the parliament that when he was asked about me he said uh we don't uh what did say she said something like uh we have uh clear-cut lines about communism or something like that so that was a okay i made a stupid thing i I would like to deny it, but I can't deny that it was misunderstandable what I wrote. Even though after I explained it, it was already too late. So that was something, yeah. That's why I said it's another personal.

I mean, I understand that politically I became a liability. But the political machine looked at you, judged you, and then attacked you. Absolutely, absolutely. That's what I'm saying that I still support what's going on because the minority. is right. And one of my ancestors that my great-grandfather came from Transylvania, currently Romania.

That was my father's line. My mother's family comes from so-called Hungarian Highland, which is currently Slovakia. So basically I understand what the Gungary government is doing for the so-called out-of-border

minorities and stuff like that. So I'm completely in line with them all these kind of issues regarding family regarding support for the families and stuff like that. So this isn't a question of, how should I say, insulted ego or something like that. This is the case. I know I made a mistake.

I was reprimanded for it. I understand, but it doesn't change it myself at all, my values or my position at all. But if I may, because this isn't unique to Hungary. This is a thing that happens with politics, it seems worldwide. If you don't talk the correct language and speak it then,

you get ousted, removed. Well, no, no, we don't, we don't stand. And aren't we all just ready for leaders that, but maybe the population isn't ready for it, that can just be blunt and be like, yeah, what are we talking about? He really, look at what Donald Trump does. He does it. He does all the time, and that's why he's not like. I mean, even Orban is called and Trump is called a populist for that.

Why is populist somebody who's talking on the people's language? I mean, politics is not about elite with a drink coffee with a small finger pointing out. This is not something like an aristocrat thing or something like that. This is the dirty downward of people should be the dirty downward or the people who work and not those who just drink coffee like that. So, yeah, this is something the globalists are terrified. That's why I call. That's why I tell you that and I think there's a change in the position of the greater state and for the globalists from Putin to Trump,

way because this is what Trump does to them. And basically that's what they are afraid of. And this is something people have understood. And can you imagine that the so-called blue-collar voters who traditionally vote for social democrats or for left-leaning parties suddenly appeared in greater numbers in Hungary and also in the US supporting conservatives? Because these are the parties who care for them. This is something unseen. This has not happened in the modern history. any time before yeah that should be studied that should be stared at more it probably is but that should be stared at more closely yeah that's what you said when you grew up on a farm you wouldn't try to milk a milk a bull as simple as that so uh when we speak about the

gender issues and i say that males in average have 20 to 45 percent more more muscle than women. This is a biological fact. You can't discuss it. And there are a new batch of politicians who understood that even though people would like to sit on the fence, majority understands that something bad is going on. And I am an irregular warfare expert by profession. And there was a term called fan sitters.

So usually in any society, 10 to 20% of the population support this or that side that makes 20 to 40 percent 80 to 60 percent is fan sitter but they are the silent majority who will vote with their feet with their support with with something but they will let their weight be felt and this is something going on in the world did i hear you correct your your uh um did you did you say uruguay uh or what was your you i'm an irregular warfare expert oh a regular a regular irregular irregular guerrilla warfare sorry great uh so when you when you look at at that and and you you're looking at it doesn't have to be russia ukraine it could just be in politics because that's an irregular warfare how they they they they you know you mentioned populist and how they kind of made

that feel like it's a negative term and you're like wait a second you're looking to what a populace is you're like why is that why we why are we acting like that's a negative thing and yet it's framed from where they've almost commandeered the word. Nope, he's a bad person. He's a populist. When you look at a regular warfare then, what are the things that are sticking out to you today that you're seeing? It is that the majority has started his opinion we felt that there is a shift going on

and in many occasions these shifts are unseen. So if you are going to an irregular conflict or asymmetric conflict, you have to bring people who care about the people. And the Americans have tried it in Afghanistan. They were called a human terrain team. They were trying to measure the population's attitude. But it's a very difficult thing if you are a rich, blonde, American girl from a big city. And you're trying to communicate with an Afghani who basically sees you as, how should I say, as an object of marriage at the best.

So basically, these trends which go beneath the surface have started shifting. And this is something the globalist see and fear. And that's why they're attacking everybody who tries to, how should I say, change their word and they try to change their narrative. There has been a vote in Germany. I think it was in Westphalia. It was something like two or three months ago. And there was a big outrage, even Elon Musk spoke about it, that a member of a big number of AFD,

I mean, that's alternative for Deutschland, that's a party which, anti-establishment party. They call them right-wing extremists, but they led by our lesbians. So I don't see that mix. So basically they are anti-establishment party. And I think something like seven or eight people have died under mysterious circumstances. Well, it was like five in a two-week period. Yeah. And then of course there was more.

And you're like, no, there's something to see there. That is about as strange as it gets. And very few people have spoken that there were other parties who have lost members, who have lost candidates. And there were the Lincoln, the post-communist party of Eastern Germany, which I don't share any, how should I say, common values, but kill somebody because he was member of the Lincoln, that the member of the party critical. criticizing globalists. And there were also the Sarah Vagachnecht group, which is another left-leaning group, also anti-establishment. There were also death from their side. So that was something like 10 to 15 people dying under mysterious circumstances weeks before an election, candidates, all of them candidates. So this show that something goes in a very bad direction. And there are people who are feeling that the population's feelings have changed, already changed. Not changing, have already changed. yeah they're just waiting for for leaders to step up and and address it right i mean donald trump is is case in point yeah exactly right exactly i mean it's it's pretty simple to say it was

very unpopular to say i might add for a while that a boy can't become a girl yeah but most people are like yeah and that doesn't make any sense they just doesn't and and he gets in and that and i think it was um a friend of mine who's a democrat who's like yeah trump just picked up on the low hanging fruit like i mean you know what democrat you know certainly you go back to your analysis of like 10 percent or are just so far left 10 percent or so far right whatever they are there's steadfast interviews i they're always going to believe that but there's a whole bunch of people going that's a crazy idea i i just don't agree with that and don't trump speaks directly to it and i think there's a a growing amount of the population that just goes yeah we need

we need to address some of the stupidity that's going on. And then when you point out the AFD, I think if I'm hearing it correctly, you're like, well, the globalists are doing everything in their power to ensure that message doesn't get out. Exactly, exactly. And it's crazy. I mean, we Hungarians have the biggest Jewish community in Hungary in Eastern Europe.

And we have a lot of good Jewish jokes. And I heard this one from a rabbi. And there's a joke that Uncle Kohn, who is a typical, player in Jewish jokes goes to Belgium and he's drafted into Belgian army and the drill sergeant says that flamans to the right, Valons to the left and Uncle Kohn asked where do the Belgians stand? So this is the funny thing, you know, the Belgium is consisting of flamans who are Dutch and Valens who are French, but Uncle Kohn is neither and he asks where should the Belgian stand. So in many occasions we are the Belgians that's a running joke in Hungary.

Where do the Belgian stand? I mean, we are the ones who doesn't share either extremity, but we are still here and we would like to do something if we are allowed. In Hungary, one of the cool things about getting to talk to people from different countries, especially on the other side of the world, is, you know, like, it's kind of an odd feeling to realize we're all being subjugated to like similar ideas. that is an odd sensation sitting where I sit, right? Yep.

But in your country, what is the taboo thing to talk about then? Is it Russia, Ukraine, or is it something else? You know, it's a funny thing that, for example, one of the reasons I support the conservative government is that I used to work for a think tank. And we organized a peace conference in 2023. And we had guests from India we had guests from China, we had guests from the US, from all around the world, basically, except Russia.

At the time, they were already forbidden to travel here. And a Chinese guide came to me and he said me that, you know, I've been to all-European major security policy conferences, but never did I experience this openness and freedom of speech what you're experiencing. So basically, we are allowed to talk about Russia, Russell, Ukrainian war. We all get our labels that we are, you know, like you said, leky, stooges, whatever. Sure. Most of us don't care. Basically, I don't really think that there are taboos in Hungarian public speech. So even things like, maybe we can't clearly talk about and also raise my voice against the official version of the climate change. Yeah, we see the climate change. I remember

my grandfather has told me 40 years ago that there is 30 degrees in August that is the highest temperature, that we have 30 degrees Celsius on the sun. Nobody should go out. It's a heat wave. You shouldn't go there. Okay, that was 30 years ago, that the climate is clearly changing, that I can see it, but I don't believe that humanity has so much thing to do with it. So basically, you can challenge these kind of ideas. You always get attacked by the globalist, but you can basically talk about anything in Hungary. And really, that's something an achievement and I'm very proud of it um one final one for you because I I just I think out west in the values that I hold I find it very interesting when when um

your government gives incentives to have children did the population like go wow this is an idea or or or did some go I don't want anything to do with that like was just give me a sense of like, because out at West here, like, hear that idea. I'm like, man, that's a, I don't mind that idea at all, right? But once again, I got young kids. And I go like, it's something that very much aligns with, with who I am and the beliefs I have. Was the population of Hungary for, I assume there for it, but like, you know, was that like, this is amazing? Or was it just kind of one of those wacky ideas that came through and there's been little uptake of it? No, it's a widely supported idea and many people are using it including my daughter for example who have twin sons five months old

and then they also taking advantage of these kind of things for example if you are under 25 you are not paying any income taxes so this is something widely accepted and widely supported in Hungary a problem is that ever since the COVID struck and I remember with George they told he told me that you have a very similar opinion to mine, but COVID struck hunger in a very sensible and a very sensitive situation, and ever since we have a very limited growth in living standards. And, you know, to have a kid, I don't have to tell you, needs a lot of money.

And if you don't see that their outlooks are getting better every year, then that makes you think twice. And even though there is a quite generous support for family, on one occasion people got used to it as soon as as funny as it seems that they think that it's normal and in under the first urban government for example there was a thing called a student loan there was a very low interest rate loan for people to study and my wife took it and and when there came a neoliberal government and we had to repay the double amount because they raised the interest rate so basically people just don't believe that this is something they can take away so for now it's been going on for 10 years now basically and people got used to it and they just can't accept i can't imagine sorry they can't imagine that it can be taken away so i think it's a good idea it's a good direction but for example we have a huge uh real property boom and this makes hungarian uh flats i mean small flats it's more expensive than in london for example

probably not london but the major european cities for example per square meter you can pay in many occasions 100 000 u.s dollars in budapest and that's another luxury apartment so this is something outrageous not not 100 000 sorry 10 000 per square meter that's that's that's um payable for most families so it's it's it has gone beyond reason and you can't have you can't have kids when you don't have a home so this is something a very complicated issue the direction is good but some of the steps taken are just not enough for example you can have 30 million foreign which is something like less than hundred thousand dollars a very beneficial loan from the state to have your own first home but that's basically the half of the price you have to pay anyway so you have you have a governmental loan and you

have to take another loan in the same sum to get a home and this is not done we are not talking about a house in the city. We're talking about a flat in a city. One final question for you. Yeah. I've been wondering about whether or not societies can coexist. You come from an area where your country's border has been redrawn. You have countrymen that are no longer living inside those borders. Is there any such thing as coexisting with Russia or different areas around you?

or is this just a, I have a grandiose idea that could never, ever possibly be? No, there's such thing as coexistence. But, and let me show my support to my prime minister. He had a very good saying that liberals say that do whatever you want until you hurt somebody. But who decides when you hurt somebody, the stronger one? So basically, in order to have a coexistence, There has to be a power which solve some of the issues and unsolvable issues are kept under the rug by force. So basically, I don't believe that people, societies can have a beneficial understanding toward each other unless there is a will to do it.

Let me give you an example. When Hungary retook in 1941, the territories that were taken from Hungary from Serbia, from Yugoslavia, Then there was military action against Serbs and people who were, let's say, how should I call them, they were suspected that they were cooperating with the partisans. After Yugoslavia get this territory back, they killed three times more people for this act, Hungarians mostly. Yet we are in good connections with Serbia because both of the elites realized that we need to make, make peace, not literal peace, but peace of mind, coexistence, and understanding towards each other. So there is a chance, there is a possibility, but you have to have serious pressure on both sides

to agree to give up some of your insults, your historical injuries and stuff like that in order to coexist. Sooner or later, there will be peace in Ukraine, and I'm afraid it will be much less of an understanding, but how should I say, a piece made by force. But sooner or later there will be end to these struggles, it won't be the too liking of many people.

You might have said right in there basically the stronger force will decide. And so if you're a population or you're a country or you're, you know, you want strong people. If you can have a strong

a group of human beings together. That makes you a deterrent to a lot of things. And it should give you... Marx, I don't like the communist, like I said. But, you know, Karl Marx, the founder of the idea of communism, has said a number of valid things. And he thought that communism will come to the richest country because people will be rich enough to educate themselves to the level

to realize that they gain more by cooperating than by fighting. I mean, that's a supportable idea, even though it's said by Marx. And basically, what we don't see, that, people don't want a strong middle class. People don't want people who are educated and economically independent enough to decide these kind of things. People want power, they want influence, and contrary to all these kind of things. So what I see is there is no chance today, especially in the West, to have. a strong middle class who is strong enough to enforce his will on the political class and that's why i see that only strong men can do it that's why that's not that why i like them i wouldn't

i'm not a as a father i'm not a very hard-handed somebody i'm much rather a clone than than a father figure to my kids but my my son called me an online encyclopedia so but but but you know this is the word it is like it is. So it's not nice. It's not good. It's not ethical, but that's the way it is. Ballant, I appreciate you coming on and doing this. It's always, I find it fascinating to hear a different voice from a different country because it just gives perspective. And if I may reiterate it, it's kind of surreal to hear that there's just things going on in your country that are happening here. Now, albeit different countries, different languages, different ways of influencing the populations, but you hear the globalist word used again and how they're trying

to push these ideas on all of us all at the same time is a very odd sensation, if I might say. And I don't know, I just appreciate you hopping on and doing this. And a shout out to George for hooking us up. And I don't know where the future goes. But knowing somebody in Hungary is, well, it's an added benefit on my end. It's a plus. It just gives insights into the world that I would otherwise not have. It's my really honor, and thank you very much for the chance to be here. And if you have the time and you would like to know something,

I have a PhD in military history, and otherwise history is my hobby as well, so feel free. I mean, we are in the same boat, different parts of the boat with the same. boat and those people who rag the boat are would like to do the same to both of us yeah i agree well a phd in history believe me we're going to find some use for it here down the road i'm i'm certain of it thanks again for doing this and very nice meeting you thank you very much a nice meeting you as well