Shaun Newman Podcast - #952 - Bruce de Torres

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

Bruce de Torres is the author of GOD, SCHOOL, 9/11 AND JFK: The Lies That Are Killing Us and The Truth That Sets Us Free. He spent four and a half years handling marketing for TrineDay Books and now serves as Director of Communications for the American Small Business League, where he exposes how Fortune 500 companies divert federal small-business contracts. As an actor, Bruce has starred in comedies, dramas, and musicals from coast to coast.Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Use the code “SNP” on all ordersProphet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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I'm talking about Bruce de Torres, so buckle up, here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by Bruce de Torres. Bruce, thanks for hopping on. My pleasure, Sean. Thanks for having me. Looking forward to it. It's your first time on the show.

So, you know, long or short, however you want to set it up. But tell the audience a bit about yourself. Thank you. I grew up in New Jersey. I became addicted to reading in the first grade. And I call my life, reading interrupted, Sean. I just love books. And it was the Bible.

It was American history. It was Abraham Lincoln. And it's grown from that. But those are the core, I guess, interests. Deep dive into John F. Kennedy. I was an actor for many years. Did that until I was in my 30s. And then I got an idea for a book about the nature of reality.

everything's made out of energy what does energy do it becomes things thoughts are made out of energy many have said and I got a real inspiration from that and after a number of years I had 41 pages I put it in

a drawer and then I got obsessed with 9-11 and after studying that for 10 years I decided to write a book about those kind of things meaning real history versus the official stories, which are lies, wrapping it in my best ideas about what is reality, what is existence, why should we be cheerful? Why does life go on? Why should we never lose hope?

And I wrote a book and it came out four years ago and basically it rips the curtain back on many, many so-called official stories and shows a lot of truer, truer history. to inspire more of us to imagine we are adults who can handle the horror of the truths of reality. But again, wrapped in why need we and can we be cheerful because of the nature of reality, the nature of who we are, the nature of what we can do together when we love each other and want good outcomes for everybody. Well, I'm going to scrap my plan immediately because now I'm curious. you say you wrote 41 pages satin and a drawer you can't you know you're trying to write a book

and then 9-11 happens and part of your book if I'm hearing you're correct is like why the heck are we optimistic why Bruce what did you land on why are people how can we be optimistic in such a crazy world what to tie it into your your question about those first 41 pages I was I was reading, think, and grow rich by Napoleon Hill. And like many, he says, you know, everything's made out of energy and thoughts are made out of energy and they become things. And I pondered that for a while and I thought, well, why did energy, according to this model, burst into existence and become this whole universe, the Big Bang Theory, which may or may not be true. It's debatable. And I thought, did it want to? Is it? Is it?

Here it is, Sean. Is energy the intention to exist? Is the intention, the ability? And that's what I researched and wrote. And I wrote up to, I think it was 250 pages. And then I crunched it. I tried to eliminate everything that was repetitious, everything that others had said really, really well about that. And it boils down to the philosophy. Why should we be cheerful? I sum it up like this now, 20 years after, 30 years after that whole adventure started. This is something of a dream where love creates and fear destroys. These are the ideas that make me enjoy life, Sean, and many others, frankly, many, many others, that we are really eternal souls or spirits or essences having this adventure. And we're eternal. And we're here to

play hide and seek with ourselves it we according to this model I'm going to be a human again maybe we've done this thousands of times and I know that I'm going to forget how safe I am because of how eternal I am and life's going to be scary as beep until I love others as myself not only does that work for me Sean but that's in the history of the best religions the the longest lasting religions, the most cheerful people, the deepest philosophy, transcendental, you know, existential writings of that's it, Zen Buddhism, all the ideas of the Orient is only one of us here and yet we're playing a game of otherness. Does that make sense? Does that resonate with things you've heard before?

Well, it's interesting. I don't know if we've been, I don't know if I can subscribe to the idea we've been here a thousand times, but certainly fear, sorry, I forget how you put that. How to love creates and fear destroys? Destroes, yes. To me, that line makes a ton of sense. And that's what I wish I had learned or imagined younger, and I think that would be the antidote for immaturity or childhood and all the bickering that kids can do. It's, what's your intention?

You know, what is it, Jocko Willing? Willick, yeah. Yeah, I can't think of the title, about 100% responsibility, right? And our, you know, our intention to get along, our intention to create mutually wonderful outcomes. That's what gives us hope. We are meant to be nice to each other and love each other as brothers and sisters. And yet the world seeds fear every which way you go and tries to pull that apart at the seams. Right.

And I believe that's the tactic of bullies and exploiters, because they can amass a following and distract people with fear and plunder while others are distracted with fear at each other's throats. You're a man who's read an awful lot. Is that a fair assumption? You talk about being addicted to books since you're, I forget, grade one, I think is what you said. Yeah.

So I assume you, you know, you bring up a thinking grow rich, I believe is the title. That's a classic. And some people, you know, myself included, I've read it thinking I was going to get all this profound knowledge out of it. And maybe I did. at the same time, what I always find fascinating about books is one that strikes you and you just can't put down. To me, it might not even be remotely close to my reading and go, I don't get what Bruce is getting. And then the same could be true about the next book. It may strike me

and you may grab it and, you know, you get the point. In all your readings of all the great men and women who come before us, you started to see this trend of love creates fear destroys. Not slowly. That was kind of an explosive aha after I read Think and Grow Rich and then imagined I saw it as a common denominator through many of the great minds that I had been aware of. Yeah. You've, you mentioned 9-11. You mentioned JFK too, I might add in. And once again, those are two very pivotal moments. U.S. history. In all your reading and research on those two moments, and I don't know, this is probably a large question, walk me through the truths that you found are uncovered when doing so. Thanks. My book is called God School 9-11 and JFK, and the subtitle is the lies that are killing us and the truth that sets us free. So those four main topics are real.

They happened, but the point I'm making is the official stories or lies told to us by forces or people who actually committed those crimes or deceptions or aided and abetted them in order to exploit us by having us believe false versions of them. John F. Kennedy, the official story is one man, Lee Harvey Oswald, fired three bullets. and killed him acting all alone. That's that. Nothing to see here. 9-11 Muslim terrorists, hijacked planes. And we had to go look for the mastermind and destroy a bunch of countries in the Middle East.

Okay? And to start studying those, I think rather quickly, one can see the evidence, Sean, that almost instantly brings the official story into doubt. Now, once you have doubt, do you have the curiosity to pursue some research until you can start to get an idea of who maybe was involved, who or what may have helped this or this or this part of that story? And if you keep reading, you get fairly convinced the major powers of the United States

were behind Kennedy's assassination, certainly behind covering it up, certainly invented and created a baloney story that they've perpetuated for 62 years. What does that tell you about, if you're an American, what does that tell you about your country? What does that tell you about what you should believe when you see it on the news,

or you hear it coming out of the mouth of the president? And the exact same points can be made about 9-11. So if you fast, do I want to fast forward to today? No, I want to go back to JFK first. When you get digging into JFK, and I've, I was telling this before we start, I've had different people on talk about and do extensive research into it. When you start looking into it and start to realize, you know, the official narrative is pretty leaky at best, that's, that's that best.

And you go, okay, let's start digging into what really went on with JFK. What did you find? You find more bullets. This is not in the order that I found things, but this is what I would tell someone, be prepared. You're going to find more bullets fired than one guy could have done. So right there, you've got multiple shooters. They probably weren't coincidentally at the exact street, at the exact minute. at the exact minute, so it was probably a plot.

Then you find all the law enforcement around it, starting with the local cops, then the FBI and then the CIA, as it participated in the year-long, almost year-long investigation, cherry-picked the evidence, brushed the side, ignored, explained away all the eyewitnesses that heard shots from here, shots from there, who told you how many shots that they heard and they're far more than three. And then one of the, probably, well, these, that's the thing about the Kennedy assassination, Sean, it's just so fascinating. Any place you want to look at it, you could just look at what was Lyndon Johnson before, up to during the assassination and after the assassination, and study him for a year because he's an absolutely fascinating character.

Or you could just follow the body, which is the chain of evidence, to first Parkland Hospital, what those doctors saw, then what happened at the autopsy, and what those witnesses saw about what happened and what the body looked like. And now you're off to the races because it's total confusion, total contradictions, and all of a sudden you're in the twilight zone. All of a sudden, it's like you've just taken a bad head. of acid and you're in a nightmare. You don't know what to believe and you and a huge analysis of that assassination, Sean, is they didn't care that they had all these loose ends. That would

be pretty quickly obvious. It's almost as if the forces behind the scenes stepped on to the stage at that moment. I subscribed to this that a huge part of the impact wasn't just to kill a president. It was to shatter the confidence, the security of the world, but especially America, along these lines. Look what we can do. Look what you know we did. See how we know that you know that we did it, not the stories we're telling you. And there's nothing you can do about it. And I've talked to lots of people who were conscious then, who were teens or young adults. And to a person shown, they say, the country has never been the same. And you can measure that in terms of the obvious corruption and lies and vanility,

venalness of Lyndon Johnson and so many presidents since that it's rather obvious to someone now who researchers a few of these events, that it's a clown act, that it's really an insult to intelligence of things that they inflict on us, tell us this is true, and act and pretend like they really believe it. Even the most recent situation, one of the most recent, because things are happening almost daily for the last couple of years, was COVID-19. I lumped that in with the JFK assassination and with 9-11 as a false flag, as a self-inflicted giant lie, to severely, literally physically, medically harm, hurt, abuse, and kill many of us. Before we get to COVID-19, sorry, you get to 9-11.

Now, I was a teenager when 9-11 happened. I remember the TV being rolled into a, you know, a small-town Canadian school being told by my teacher who never yelled at us to shut up. We got to watch this. and everybody just kind of stood there on pins and needles. And as a teenager, I can safely say I didn't fully understand what the heck was going on other than something serious that just happened, right? I mean, obviously planes flying in, you're kind of like, okay.

And then, you know, I remember, and forgive me, because I can't actually remember, you know, is it eight months after? Is it a year after? But then when they started bombing and televising the bombings overseas, Those are two things that as a teenager, a young man that I just remember, you're looking at 9-11 and you're, you're, you're just dig it into it. Just, okay, the same contradictions, the loose ends that they know are there are certainly there in 9-11. Walk me through 9-11. Office fires don't make skyscrapers collapse.

not even those plane crashes. Buildings before 9-11 and after 9-11 have burned on many, many more floors for much, much, much, much, much longer until they actually, many times burn out, you know, 24 hours later, 36 hours later. And what's left is a charred skeleton. Buildings don't collapse because they're burning. But the South Tower demolished itself about, I think it was 45 minutes, 48 minutes after it was hit by the plane. The North Tower was hit first. It collapsed second after maybe an hour and 10, hour and 20 minutes.

And collapse is the wrong word because those were controlled demolitions. Those buildings were laced with explosives, prepared in advance. But the elephant in the room, the emperor has no close moment, is World Trade Center building seven, which was another building in the complex, which had a few fires caused by debris from the two big towers that fell in the morning. And at five o'clock in the afternoon, the BBC broadcast on television, a reporter named Jane Stanley. who was in New York, telling us that World Trade Center 7, the Solomon Brothers building, 47, 48 stories tall, has just collapsed after the injuries from the fire. And Sean, it's over her shoulder while she's talking. She reported that 20 minutes before it happened.

That's like you're playing poker and the person you're playing with. Like an extra ace falls out of their sleeve. It's game over. But that's nothing compared to the fact that at 520, that building did come down, straight down, free fall speed for many seconds, proof that it was a controlled demolition. Two years later, I think it was two years later, the official 9-11 commission report, if I recall correctly, doesn't even mention building seven. now that's just to say that those buildings fell so quickly where it's never happened before because of office fires to say that you know the official story shot says the towers they they weakened at the point of impact and then the weight of the top part crushed all the floors to the bottom and the and the floors

pancaked and stacked well where's the debris pile where's the stack of floors the debris was at ground level in a few places there were holes in the ground there were survivors down in the sub basement levels after the smoke cleared they said we saw blue sky above us and if you watch those towers get destroyed over and over turn the sound down on the video and just think about what am i seeing what we're seeing are explosives coming down in sequential order floor by floor by floor by floor it creates the illusion of dissent but nothing's falling they're just being blown from the top floors to the bottom floors pulverized it was acres and acres of dust firemen said we saw nothing

bigger than the little keypad of a phone there were no big pipes there were no big file cabinets there were no toilets that was the explosive power that was built into that building most likely during the months and months and months that many people in those towers reported oh they were doing renovation they were doing construction they were doing re asbestosing for months and months and months leading up to uh september this section was closed off these floors were closed There was tons of work going on in both towers for months leading up to September. That's just to what everybody's whistle, look it. Check it out. I'm sure people thought when JFK got shot, there's no way this is going to be let to stand

or the people are going to uprise. And then you wait, and then 9-11 happens. And by then most people have probably gone back to sleep and aren't paying attention. But there would have been many paying attention and seen the oddities and they're probably looking around going people are going to pay attention this right and then you get to COVID I live COVID and that's hard to wrap one's mind around at times you're sitting there doing all this work studying things reading reading all the books writing a book do you foresee a moment in time where I don't know, the mass of people just go, no more? It's not the mass, maybe enough.

Because I've seen enough reports, Sean, that revolutions or transformations, it doesn't take the mass. I used to think it did. No, it actually takes something like four or five percent of a population. I think I actually read three percent. that's in a smaller population. Something like the American Revolution, it was calculated to be three or four percent or five percent tops

of the population worked for the American Revolution, served in the armies. That's it. And we might reach that critical mass, maybe with digital ID, hopefully with something like digital ID, if not stopping the Americans,

stopping, Israel slaughter in a genocide, the Palestinians in Gaza. There's many things that urgently need that full stop, that kind of break, that kind of refusal to aid and abet. And we have to keep writing books and keep doing shows like this to inspire people to do something because when enough of us do what we can in our busy lives, it will and it can and we must work as if it would stop more harms and even flush corrupt people out of positions of power and push good people into those positions of power to stop the

harms that are being inflicted on humanity by the smallest percentage of the sickest, most evil, most rich human beings it's it's how it ever has been history shows it is always this battle of the lunatics who love power and love accruing wealth by exploiting the masses that they can and the great mass of people who don't have the power don't feel the power or are too afraid to step up and do anything and then that other fringe like i'm going to flatter you and me and say, we're doing something. We're exploring the truth. You know, so hopefully we and people were teaching or, you know, inspiring will say, no, I'm not going to go along with that until I do my own research. That's all it takes. It's like, no, I'm not going to go along

with that until I do my own research. Just because these experts are in front of a camera and they're telling me, they did this. So now we have to kill them. And here's why. Well, well, wait a minute you read a book like mine and you start to think maybe maybe those events happen but maybe they didn't and actually probably they didn't because so many similar events in the past Sean were lies and they were told by people just like you mr. president or just like you doctor so-and-so so I'm really just not going to believe you just because you're talking you get my point I do well if you fast forward to now, and you got Donald Trump as a president of the United States. I'm curious. What are your thoughts of Donald J. Trump? I think he's a very entertaining, more of the same.

He's just another president since John F. Kennedy, who is serving the giant agendas while working to the maximum that he can in all the areas where the rich and powerful really don't care. They really don't care what a president does since John F. Kennedy because the war machine goes rolling merrily along, and one could argue that Trump is worse than others because of the divisiveness that he has caused in his eight or nine years now in public life, and the real violence and the tension on the streets between many, many Americans, and even violations of constitutional rights and things like that.

And do you know, he's got legions of followers who are not just red hat wearing MAGA fans. There are economists who are saying, gee, you know, his economic moves look a lot like Lyndon LaRouche's. Gee, if this could really play out, we might re-industrialize. We might be able to divorce ourselves from the movements of globalization that are trying to wrap the world in lockstep obedience to technocracy. But the bottom line is, thanks for letting me flesh this out, because he's a conundrum. But my bottom line is where I started, where he's just another one for worse or better, for lesser or for more, but probably horribly so in terms of how he's advancing the technocratic agenda, the digital enslavement. And all one has to do is search and

listen to a few conversations by Catherine, Austin Fitz, or Whitney Webb, or Patrick Wood, these are these are real x james corbett these are experts in the digital idea the digital programmable currency the digital enslavement that is tightening around our necks like a noose and uh rots a rock ruy lots of luck question for you not a hypothetical but i mean just um something i want to explore see see where your thoughts go certainly if you witness This JFK, you sit there, you're like us too sitting there, you're going, holy crap, they killed the president. You mean the movie or we're standing on the street? We're standing on the street.

We're citizens back in the 1960s. And you're like, they know, we know. And they don't care, right? Okay. They got all these loose ends. They just don't care. Would there not be a faction that would try and play out a long game? game to try and oust the craziness, the darkness, the power hungry that sits behind the

President of the United States or elsewhere and try to pull that out. You know, like in different conversations, you see these different factions rising around the world, right? Technocracy, Davos, London. I mean, I'm sure I'm missing 15 others that are all playing this game of, you know, at times I think it's 3D chess other times I just think they got a ton of money and an influence and they in endless supply of it and so they get to play it out you give a bunch of uh well I don't know I don't know what I do with that type of power and influence hopefully not what they're doing but regardless is there the possibility that there is a group of people that have watched this play out whether it was 9-11 COVID JFK something in between or all the above that has been working towards fighting for the good guys? I don't know if there could be one continuous faction that would now be in its second or third generation

who are mounting and preparing, you know, a sudden reveal of rescuing us. But kind of that is happening, Sean, with the folks. who preach and teach the truth about JFK's assassination, and then they inspire another generation. We're in the second or third generation of, let's use them as an example. Every November, it's coming up next week. There were two or three conferences of authors and officinados, truth lovers, who gather in conferences in Dallas to explore what's new in pursuing the truth or exposing the truth of the JFK assassination. There are 9-11 groups that do likewise. And your question also makes

me remember how sometimes I discuss or I hear others discussing that human nature is basically good and a lot worse things would be inflicted on us by the federal government, the United States federal government is a horrible net collection of what it does to Americans, what it does to the world is abominable. But it might be a lot, lot worse. If not for so many of the rank and file in the military, in the agencies of power, in the intelligence community, who might be holding in check the worst of the worst. You know, they might have gridlock. there because when one starts talking about see it's one thing to reach research these things just because you're curious and then to keep researching them until you get convinced and then

you get horrified and that's where people need to be encouraged to open your mouth and talk about it because if you just stay horrified you might check out with cynicism you can't fight City Hall and start drinking more and start being more addicted to your phone and maybe dabbling with drugs and then maybe cutting corners and ripping people off here, ripping people off there because why not? Everyone else is a thieving bastard. Why shouldn't I? You break out of that by opening your mouth and asking people at Thanksgiving next week or in two weeks, hey do you know anyone who thinks that 9-11 was an inside job past the gravy yeah because sooner and start searching because sooner than later ultimately I can make a big deal about things

Sean all that to say sooner than later you'll find shows like yours shows like Matthew Eric and Cynthia Chung their Rising Tide Foundation and you'll realize oh my God there are thousands of people who know and love and care about the truth. And whether we win or lose doesn't matter. We've got to fight the good fight. We've got to enjoy encouraging each other to do these things for whose sake for the children and the grandchildren and the infinite generations that are waiting to be born into a healthy world of freedom, relying on us to work for those things. Yes, for posterity. You know, I used to think if I was looking at the dark side of the world, there's no way they could pass on information from generation to generation.

I don't longer believe that. I firmly believe they do that. And so on the flip side of it, maybe our tactics are just different. And I don't know, this is just me throwing stuff at the wall, Bruce. So you're, you know, you're catching me in an interesting mood tonight. because I go, we both like Atlas Shrugged, right? I think that's a simple statement. I think you can agree to that, correct?

I just posted a substack title. I love Atlas Shrug. But we have to talk about it now that we've said that because a lot of people take that one way, and I don't mean it the way most people mean it. How do people take that? Generally, that they're fans of Ayn Rand's, you know, brutal, selfish economics, egotistical,

dog-eat-dog, your own and no one should help each other. I'm out for number one. That's what Ayn Rand is as a brand and Atlas Shrug is like the Bible for that. But I don't espouse that and I don't adhere to that at all. It's funny. That's not why I like Ayn Rand. Tell me. Tell me why I like that book. Tell me why. I like that book because Dagnit Taggart is wrestling with something that she cannot fully understand. And I find that today. I found that in COVID. It's like, how can, the world makes such sense and nobody see it and it's it's an ideology it's this it's infectious mind virus and that's what she wrestles with I mean the rest of the the

the dog and pony show that she writes about sure people can get that must be the generation before me because going through COVID I I see that book in a completely different light she's she's talking about our generation right now now obviously she was talking about what she would have gone through in her lifetime and she was trying to find a way to explain it in a form that future generations would look at and go, oh, my God, that makes complete sense. It doesn't help. It's not like all of a sudden you run off to, forgive me, the gulch.

Yeah, Gultz, Galtz, Atlantis. Thank you. Galtz, Galtz, Galtz, and hideout, and the world just makes complete sense. Although forming a community certainly helps. and I think there's ideas to be taken from that. So when I think about team good, right, what we're doing here, winning or losing, how we fight the powers that be when they have all the money, all the power, all the, you know, the war machine, everything.

Like, what do you have? You got truth. And what can you do with it? You could talk about it. And where does that take you? I don't know. Probably get to take a lot of people into some very dark terrorist. because truth exposes the dark and the dark doesn't like that a whole lot as we've seen

with a lot of different things and yet i wonder if that isn't to team good in essence in a very philosophical way these people wrote books why did they not just write their life story and all the hardship they did from what i can see a lot of them did and did they rise to national bestsellers very few of them and what did they all turn to fictional stories because a fictional story isn't real and yet it carries such meaning in it that people like me and you pick it up

and we see something completely different and my god this is this is brilliant this is explaining the entire thing and then you get to build off that well I don't know if I'm building off of it but certainly I wonder if that is in a way of playing a different type of 3D chess

you know you just brought some mind you know so much of the fun of being a human there's so much to figure out um but as far as winning and losing and what team I'm on and the war machine and golly just you know getting older and facing your mortality which creeps up on you Sean um it reminded me of the of the best of the most esoteric thoughts, which is, we only have what we're experiencing moment by moment. So that's a lot of what people get out of Zen literature. It's a lot of what people get out of a book called The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, T-O-L-L-E.

And it's a lot of what I enjoy after decades of work. working on, why do I think what I think? Why do I feel what I feel? You can get some theories about those things. You can blame your childhood. Maybe it's what your father said that day. Maybe it's what your mother did that day. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.

It's nice to get a couple of theories. Like, I think this is why this triggers me, that triggers me, why I made those mistakes, why I didn't make those mistakes. And then the next phase is, what would I like to think? How would I like to feel? And that's where the fun begins. And all that, Sean, obviously, is what? It's taking the advice supposedly carved on the Temple of Apollo at Delphi,

thousands of years ago, know thyself. And Socrates, according to Plato, said, The unexamined life is not worth living. And when one works to get some ideas or some answers or some clues about those things, this is the best me. See, I have plenty of worries and fears all day long like anybody else, Sean. But when we have these kind of conversations, these are my ideals that I'm describing right now. It's cherishing this moment that I'm in, this conversation.

with you and being very alive to it. See, I'm looking in the camera. You're over there. So conversationalally, this is harder. I can't pick up any visual. Oh, even better. I don't even have my glasses on. So in real life, you know, I'd be able to, you know,

pick up on your cues and see, oh, he's trying to talk. I just interrupted him, blah, blah, blah. I'm glad to see you're smiling. I had no idea because I'm trying to, I'm doing my professional thing, like looking in the camera for who? You need to come to Canada is what you're saying and sit in person. Is that what you're saying? I think that's what Bruce is saying. Yes, you read between the lines. I'm sorry. I beat around the bush so much.

Anyway, you followed me out through that, didn't you? I hope. Yeah, well, yes. It's just, it's interesting because you're a guy who's written a book on lots of different things. Obviously, it covers a lot. You know, lies that are killing, the lies that are killing and the truth that sets us free, right? And for me, that has been finding Jesus, right? Finding Christianity. That was a powerful thing to pick up and start reading. And I'm, you know, don't bring that up lightly.

I don't love Delv-Well, I do and I don't. You know, it's like a weird, like, you know, that's a deep, that's a deep topic. And that gives me an immense amount of peace. and you're a man who has researched some of the biggest false flags to hit the United States which will shake your foundation for sure

because one of the tough things about going through COVID was like they're going to see the light they're going to see the light right guys they're going to see the light and then a year goes by and then more goes by and then more goes by

and then the freedom convoy goes and it's like one of the most unifying things have ever seen humanity ever do and then what do they do they throw the entire machine at the leaders of it and they they they just take all the evidence they construe it they sell this narrative of them being insurrectionists and whatever other word they want to associate with you know canada's freedom convoy christen tamara specifically but others there's there's more there and anyone who paid attention any ounce of attention to it like that isn't true at all and yet they still suffer the consequences of it.

And so I don't know if I have a question for you, Bruce, other than, you know, when you're talking about being in a conversation, I fully understand. I get to look at your face and I do have my eyes on, which I don't have the glasses. And I find that, you know,

that's the one difficult thing about being virtual versus in person. There is nothing to replace when you get to sit across from somebody and see their visual cues. And, you know, when you come back to energy, there is a transfer of energy between two people talking. Jesus, the convoys, the notzification of the planet. That's what the convoys mean to me.

The way the machine you said that they threw at those heroic human beings who tried to push back against the mandates up there. Reading the Gospels, Matthew Mark Lucas. John, Sean, over and over and over for years. I started that in first grade. That's how I went to bed every night. In between other books, but that was the main book that I really, I trained my, I learned really how to read and read and devour and love, you know, and then finally was the rest

of the Old Testament. And then it was a lot of the, the Old Testament. I think I said, I hope I said New Testament. And to have a spiritual idea that can. gives you power, is a great consolation in such a world of so many dangers. And, you know, they almost don't have to be true, as long as it gives you the freedom to act according to your convictions and to act courageously, regardless of the threat or the danger.

And there's a lot that justifies the hope that death is not the end of anything. So whether it's your belief in Jesus or it's the conclusion many people reach after hearing the thousands of near-death experience stories, the thousands of people who died and then came back after three minutes, seven minutes, 19 minutes, half an hour, Sean, there are thousands of those stories. And it's easy after hearing those to imagine a lot of what I said earlier about, we are eternal. We're safe.

Yeah, pain is pain. Suffering sucks. But there is a thing called shock. Let's talk about pain for a while. You know, there is a point where when we reach a certain amount of physical pain, the body just shuts it off. The body just shuts it down. you know so how much should we be afraid of um and there are cross-cultural ancient truths in much of the bible

and in much that jesus said wherever two or more are gathered in my name there i am also the studies in consciousness for the last 100 years at least describe a similar phenomenon that where we agree on something, it's also, that invokes the power of hypnosis. That's the power of belief. I remember a long time ago reading about exercises in hypnosis, Sean, where people are all induced into a relaxed state. And you could say, say we're always, the hypnotists say we're always going in and out of hypnotic states. Some are very deep, some are light. But it's the classic example, Tony Robbins is a great teacher of this. He says, have you forgotten in your car? And you're thinking about some conversation

that you had or you're going to have or something that you're looking forward to. And then all of a sudden you pull into to work exactly where you wanted to go. And you really don't remember the twists and turns of the, you don't remember the ride. You did that automatically. You were in an altered state of consciousness. That's all that hypnosis is. But back to the power of belief, there are exercises in hypnotism that when I read them, I believe that they were true, whereby subjects were blindfolded. And the experimenter stood next to them, lit a cigarette, took an inhale of it blew out the smoke the subject is blindfolded but he's he's smelling all that and he's hearing all that the cigarette the burning the lighting the smoke the inhalation

and then the experimenter says I've got medicine here I've got ice cubes something like that whatever they said to let the person go along with this that the experimenter said I'm going to put the burning tip of my cigarette on your forearm and what they took was a pencil and they put the eraser of the pencil and their skin burned blister and blistered

because the hypnotized person was told it's a cigarette, it's a lit cigarette. That's the power of belief. So why did I indulge all that? Sean, it's to validate what you said about Jesus, but it's also to everybody listening. I can only tell you what works for me and what works for thousands when you read about it is if you can get a spiritual idea or two, that makes you lighthearted, it makes you fearless, it makes it okay for you to love everyone and everything while you work for real solutions, while you work for real money, while you prosecute crimes, while you fight injustice, while you tackle bad guys if you can. And, you know, where we are strong human beings who fight for the right and, you know, defend ourselves. I'm not talking about being a wimp when I say, you know, love everybody. But that's what all this circles. These are high ideals to live up to.

But why not give it a try? When you talk about hypnosis, how much have you looked into that? Enough to share what I've shared and to be excited about it. But I'm like, you know, I couldn't hypnotize you. I don't know the protocols. But guess what, Sean? Every time we say, let me tell you a story. Once upon a time, you hosted a radio show and you looked in the camera and you had guests on.

And then all of a sudden you started floating up out of your chair. Am I hypnotizing you? Is that why we like campfire stories? Is that why we like going to the movies? In the lightest sense, yes. but when you're I don't know a deep state

they'd be using it for very different reasons I just got a frog in my throat I'm popping a cough drop I meant to mute that you remind me of the research about you know psychological

operations and social engineering and M.K. Ultra and Edward Bernays and propaganda. And it's a fair accusation to say that so much of current events are sciops, psychological operations to destabilize us with fear because then we're less smart and we'll do whatever the first strong man says that he's going to protect us. We go along with it. The history of Nazi Germany can be explained a lot just by that phenomenon. sorry i'm waiting for you i wasn't you know it's funny it's funny tonight tonight i've uh i've been

battling a cop all of a sudden i sat down in the chair as soon as i sat down i had this like little scratchy feeling in fact i'm where do the heck did that come from and i've been muting myself as we go along since you can't see me you can't see me coughing which i'm trying to make you feel a little bit better because obviously don't worry too much i get it uh it sucks when it comes And certainly when you've been talking for close to an hour, it creeps up on a guy. Yeah, the sci-ops, everything, you just, I don't know. I have this weird optimism, Bruce, the conversations like this and others, books written in the past. Maybe Trump, maybe not Trump.

I don't know. They're steering humanity in a way that could have end all tomorrow. for certain. You could take the solar flare theory and the axis is going to flip and all of a sudden, boom, we're all flooded out anyways. I'm like, oh, maybe. You know, I don't know if I got much control on that one. But certainly in the way the world is going and some of the stupid ideas that our governments have,

I think we have a lot of power in that. I think we have more power than we give ourselves credit for. And yet, you can't be a moron to history knowing that they have been able to You know, we've talked about it already with JFK and 9-11 COVID, you know, two of those have happened in my lifetime. And you wonder what comes next. The technocracy comment and some of the names you rattle it off on that subject, there's a, there is a, there's weight to that argument of the next thing coming is, is the social credit system. the digital currency, the digital ID, the digital everything. I think we can all even, you don't even have to be a, think too far in advance.

It's just look at our lives and look at how much we involve technology in it, especially in the Western world. Yeah, we have to be ready for anything because when you comprehend the evilness of Kennedy assassination, 9-11 and COVID, what wouldn't they do to us? There's nothing they wouldn't do to us. Okay, we have to be ready any second. And it's typical problem reaction solution. They create a gargantuan, terrifying, breathtaking problem

and then propose a solution that will protect us that we would never accept under normal circumstances. And that's how they shoehorn it into our lives. So they could plausibly shut off all the power grids to create chaos. Okay. Blame it on some plausible enemy. Pick an enemy. Russia, China, Iran, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, liberals, conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, doesn't matter. It's a false flag attack. It's by the people who are supposed to protect us. They just turn off all the power grids. Blame it on aliens coming in and do what? impose martial law impose rationing the banks no longer work we don't have electricity oh now the but we've got this special electrical grid that comes back on it comes back on and here's your

universal basic income and here's your digital your digital ID that allows you to ah what a relief now we have a solution to the problem that they created boom and there's the you know, the enslavement right there. What wouldn't they do to us? We have to be ready. I've been saying this for years. These are the good old days. Because the people who would do something like COVID to the world and to us,

what wouldn't they do to us? This might be our last day with electricity and hot running water. They've collapsed other countries in the past. And it may not even be intentional. There are natural, over-extended debt bubbles and financial bubbles out there. We could descend into an economic disaster and depression that makes anything in the past look like, oh, you know, a little, we stubbed our toe because the, and it could be real starvation. It could be real chaos.

Why such doom and gloom brews? Well, just because look what they've done in the past. You're making me want to go home and take a nice hot shower, that's for sure. okay well then we've got the time to dig out of this hole we've got the time to pull this plane up out of the nosedive Sean and it's and it's got to do with taking a hundred percent responsibility you know Rudyard Kipling's poem if if you can keep your head well all those around you are losing theirs and blaming it on you and if you can do this and if you can do that and if you can do this even if that's happening you'll be a man my son and bruce has the voice

to read that poem i think i can speak for the audience you got you got a fantastic voice you were you know if i go back in your career once upon a time you were an actor correct yes so you were on broadway or just the stage or or just a small you're laughing at me i can't tell it you know this is one of the problems of a virtue i can't tell if i'm i'm i'm I'm way below you, way above you. I have no idea. Well, that's why you're asking questions. Let me tell you.

I pursued it as a profession for many, many years. And professionally, I did some summer stock. See, getting paid is, that makes you a professional. So I got paid in some summer stock years. I got onto soap operas first as an extra, and then under fives, under five lines. you get in i got into the unions i started auditioning for things like tv movies of the week in new york city i did off off broadway that means free play after play after play after play i loved it it was a it was a challenge to me at first and then when i was around 30 i i had an aha and i got

i got really i really enjoyed myself as an actor after that and then i started getting cast and it seemed like anything I auditioned for if I was right for the part, I could get it. That's how it felt. That's how it blossomed and opened up for me after the first many years were very, very hard because I had no technique. I had no repeatable control over anything

until I was around 28, 29. And I loved it. I did a lot of musicals. Before I was confident with my singing, I was in the chorus and I had small parts and a lot of musicals. And then toward the end, like I was 33, 34, before I stopped to write my book, I was the lead in some, you know, very small musicals, you know, and it was all a lot of fun. It was perpetual childhood, but there was a craft.

There was some, there was a white whale I was pursuing, which was a repeatable effectiveness and being able to cause, you know, first you want to make your director happy and then it's well whatever the audience reacts like that's you know that's that's out of your hands is like you're just trying to do what works for what you're trying to do with everybody how many years were you on stage from seventh grade until i was uh 33 34 what was what was that 20 years I'm curious What sounds like you enjoyed I think that's a simple

And it really made you go And it feels like You know as I'm listening to your story At 30 it sounds like you felt Oh man here it is I can get any part that you know Just bits me boom done Why did you stop

Because for 20 years All I was trying to do is figure out How to be an actor And I figured it out when I was led to paying attention to my scene partner I'm looking at you Sean

you're blurry but I see you I learned how to pay attention to other human beings Sean on stage and was able to share magic and love I couldn't do that in real life

but discovering how to do that on stage I realized I'm an asshole. I don't know how to, I don't, I don't know how to listen. I don't know how to, I realized I was as mature as a, as a fifth grader. And I, and I, it was like bright lights went on and I saw all the drama, conflict, and wreckage of relationships. And I brought my life to a full stop. And I spent six months looking for a reason to keep living. It was a disaster, Sean. And then finally, I reached this point.

Maybe I'm wrong about even this. I'm going to stick around just to see what happens next. And I wanted to learn how to relate to other people in real life as well. So I learned how to be an actor. For the last 30 years, I've been practicing how to be a human being. That's a, that's a, you know, I say this all the time on the podcast, right? Like, I'm closing it on a thousand podcasts, you know? And for some, for some podcasters, they're at, I don't know, 4,000, whatever. Joe Rogan's at 20 or, you know, 2000 and change, whatever.

And, you know, I'm like, man, what a, wonder what another thousand podcast teaches a guy. Because in the first thousand, I have learned a lot. And what you just said there was being an actor and really diving in and trying to be the best actor. you all of a sudden realized wait a second on stage like I actually listen and I can create magic but I'm an a hole

like on the street why am I like that it takes you to the darkest place where you're like should I even be here anymore to where you convince yourself I'll spend around another day and you've been doing that

for 30 years trying to be a better human I'm probably oversimplifying the story but I wonder if If you apply yourself like that to any craft, if it doesn't teach you more about yourself, then you give it credit. There was a best-selling book in the 1970s called Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert.

I think it starts with a P. It's a great book. The motorcycle you're maintaining is you that's what I'm describing and that's why I love that's how

that's how important it is to me that advice I was talking about before know thyself why do you do what you do Robert I'm probably pronouncing that wrong yeah P-E-R-S-I-G P-I-R-S-I-G

missed it by that much yes know they so yeah the the everything teaches you about yourself sculpting painting playing the piano because who who are you who are you competing against who's who's who's obstructing you you know when you start to play the guitar why i want your fingers do what you you see uh you know on the videos or you know all i and say and you you practice how do you get to carnegie hall practice practice practice Bruce I've appreciated you hopping on I don't know where I stack this conversation

I got to have to go back and listen to parts of it again knowing that you can't see my facial expressions makes sense to me because at times I'm like it makes sense because even though we're virtual there is at least the visual right So visually, you can pick up when I'm hand signaling, facial expressions, smiling, not smiling. I could have looked at you through the whole conversation.

I've just got the habit of looking into the camera. No, no, no, but it makes complete sense to me. I'm like, as it goes along, I'm like, this is, this is a different conversation. Why is it different? And then you pointed out the fact you're not looking at me. And I'm like, oh, I can actually sense that on this side. And I couldn't put my finger on it. But now that you're watching me, all of a sudden, you can, you can, you can, you can sense that.

And there is such an exchange when you can see another person's facial expression, expressions, body language. You know, I come from a background in sales. And sales is, you know, a ton, you know, they always say, I forget what the percentages they break down is like, 25%, 30% and something like that is what you say. But the rest is body language, how you say it. Visual. That's right. It's all the rest. And in an interview, it's no different. And so I'm glad I know that you were staring into the camera, but the camera doesn't show you me because that actually makes me understand what I was sensing at the start. And it makes it more like a telephone conversation. And it makes listening, you know, much, much more important. For sure it does. But on the same token, I'm staring at you.

So you're listening to it like a phone conversation. I'm staring at as a visual. I'm waiting for the visuals. And that is an interesting dynamic, I guess. Well, you know, I think we're both very, very good listeners because we, you know, we're falling into, you know, like pauses and things like that where we're seeing like, well, did I say enough? How's he taking that?

You know, now that whole dynamic is coming in. Now my improv comedy nonsense is going to start showing up too. Well, Bruce, I appreciate you hopping on and doing this and giving me some time. And if you're ever in the great province of Alberta, you make sure to drop me a line because we'll do it in person. We'll do it proper. I appreciate you having me on, Sean. I really enjoyed it.