Shaun Newman Podcast - #96 - Chris Dingman

Episode Date: July 15, 2020

Holy hell I laughed a lot in this one. Chris is a story teller & his stories are fantastic. He won a WHL championship with the Brandon Wheat Kings, went to two Memorial Cups & was drafted 19th overall by the Calgary Flames in the 1994 NHL entry draft.   We discuss winning 2 cups one of which was with Joe Sakic, Ray Bourque & Peter Forsberg of the 2001 Colorado Avalanche. His 2nd cup came with Martin St. Louis, Vincent Lecavalier & Brad Richards of the 2004 Tampa Bay Lightning.   Bus trips in the WHL, beating the crap out of anyone & everyone, drumming live with Garth Brooks or being front row for Celine Dion are just a snapshot into the stories Chris shared.   Enjoy!    Let me know what you think     Text me! 587-217-8500

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I am talking about Mr. Chris Dingman. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Day podcast tonight. I'm joined by Chris Dingman. So first off, thanks for joining me. Well, thanks for having me. I apologize if I'm coughing because I went on a bike ride with my dad and my kids.

And I like to trash talk a lot. So my kids like the trash talk. So they were talking about how they're going to be me on a bike ride. And there was a couple hills where you had to be. go up quite a ways. I got back up the hill I was like, oh my God, I think I might have a heart attack. And then my lungs were like burning.

And like all day yesterday, I was like hacking. And I wasn't out in public, but I was like, I wouldn't, didn't cough at all the day. But then today's still, I'm like, and then people like looking at me where went down and saw the neighbor's friends by us. I went down and I started coughing. And I'm like, don't worry.

It's not, I'm good. I got tested. It's not COVID. It's like it's longest burn is from like trying to work out too hard and being way too heavy on a bike trying to go up at hell. So we apologize for the coughing, but it's just like, it's still on fire. It hurts to breathe, but, you know, my kids are going to beat me.

I'm going to go down trying. You're not dying on us then, is what you're saying. I don't know. I might die on me, but, like, I didn't die yesterday. So I should be okay today, but, God, it hurts. My wife's like, what are you doing? You're going to kill yourself. And I'm like, yeah, but, you know, my kids are going to beat me.

I'm going out swinging. So I still work out five, six days. week and uh can't really tell because my metabolism is not good but uh i get the superman shirt on for reason because i'm trying to kind of feel like clark cannery i have a better body but it's not working for me but i'm trying so that's all you can do well i appreciate you hopping on i wanted to start with theo flurry because uh i mentioned on twitter that you're coming on and that you were part of the deal that sent theo to colorado and of course flurry responds back and so the first question i wanted to talk about was

In his book, he talks about these trips out to shoe swaps after the year is done. And you're mentioned in one of them. And I was curious about, you know, the truth itself. Was it a good time? Was it as crazy as Theo alludes that it is? Well, it was fun. Yeah, it was an ear-ender. So, uh, backed a lot of beer.

And then, uh, I think he had, uh, some people had some other substances. And, uh, they get, uh, rhymes of steed. Let's just go with that. So, yeah, he was driving one. I think his brother was driving the other Winnebago and then his dad was driving another one. Yeah, it was good. It was a fun trip. It was a fun trip.

It was pretty there. It was great. Like, I mean, who was on it? Like, Weimer, Gimla, Morris, Todd Simpson, Theo, obviously. I don't forget, I think it was like 12 guys. I don't forget in the few, but, you know, I just remember, like, Dwayne Rollsons. So, really was a good guy.

We had this, like, Texas Mickey of C.C. Canadian club, I think it's called, like, we've been in the U.S. for a while. Let's go Canadian club, right? So we had this, like, I think it's a Texas making, but it had the pump on the top. Yeah. You know, it was like, all the Texas making. So, like, his goal was to finish this thing, like on the trip, and he, like, was trying to do it the first night, but he didn't, was able to do so.

But I just remember we went to, uh, Theo's in-laws or something. And Jamie Allison was another guy on the trip, and he's like a really good guitarist and country singer. So he had his in-laws and God, Rehammered. And, like, Roli was like, he had the Texas Mickey with him on one side as he tried to finish this thing. And then the other side was like the neighbor or something at the cabin or Florida's-in-law's cabins. And Rulli's talking to him, he's got this like hand on the Texas Mickey or his arm, whatever. And then he's talking to the neighbor or something.

He starts talking and whatever. And then we're all on the other side. And then all of a sudden neighbor, like, gives her the balls backwards. And like, he's still talking. didn't even notice, I like, so we're dying off. He probably looks over and like the guys laying back, and he was like, okay, time to go to bed. But, yeah, so it was a good trip. It was fun.

Nothing too crazy. He's just a guy trip and got and tried to get like four guys in Winnebago. I remember I was trying to claim the bed and then Roli was trying to. It was just set the foldout. So you wanted to the backbed. So if you wanted to shut her down, I'd interrupt it. But no, it was a good trip. It was fun.

We had a great group of guys in Calgary, like all those guys. I remember like myself and Keel Hulse and Derek Morris and Jerome McGinn. They were kind of young guys. Living down the house. We go for dinner, like, literally like, I don't know, three days a week or four days a week. So we'd rotate between, God, what's the place is a good, they had a good cheese bread. I think of Caesar Steakhouse. They had like the Parmesan cheesebread, which was really good, but not good for the body fat.

That and the Japanese Village. I think we had one of their places who also went to. But they had Japanese Village, we'd go there too. And it was great. So you know, you go in there and you do the whole thing. Like, oh, here you go. You know, they're doing the, you know, flipping stuff. And like, listen, maybe it's like the third time we've been here this week.

Third time we've been here in the last six days. So if you can cook your food, that would be great. Oh, okay, sure. No problem. So anyways, good group of guys. It was interesting, though. We had, we definitely had some characters. And Brian Sutter was an intense guy.

So, you know, it was good. That was a good start. In your career, you've had some interesting coaches because you've had Brian Sauer. You've had Bob Hartley with the cup Cordillera. Cordorale is the one I'm thinking of. Paul Maurice.

Yeah, Paul Maurice and Carolina. Yeah, I look good. Who sticks out of those coaches is like, I mean, who is the most influential on you? Most influential on you. In which way? They're all like, how do I say this? man they all yelled

they all liked to yell I remember Sutter like Sutter was good because he so like he got dropped in the GM drafts you and the coach drafts here and then so I got drafted by Doug Rysbrough who was a great man and Tom Thompson and you know

I was like it was the last cut as an 18 night turn old and then as a 20 year old they're like you come into camp and you know under 230 and I played junior anywhere 232 to 236 and I started out you know my first year 12% body fat and then down every year to like 8% 9% when you go to training camp

So, you know, 232, 8% is functional weight and whatever. So I get to come to camp under 2.30. I was like, sure. Come to camp, you know, there's like top, I think it was fifth or top ten in testing for sure. And then I get sent down first cuts. So whatever, I'm like, okay. Like I come in and I do everything. I'm in great shape, whatever.

And go down and whatever, you know, lead the team in preseason scoring and barely play. I had Paul Baxter as a coach. Just a total. You know what? But whatever. and he thought it was best for to not play me and be hard of me. I'm like, you can yell and spam in me. But like, yeah, like, not play me, whatever.

But anyways, so it was a miserable year and, you know, didn't play that much then. Brian said he calls me in the summer. And he's like, you know, hey, you know, Chris is Brian. How's it going? Like, good, whatever. You get to come to camp in shape? Yeah, absolutely.

You know, and so he's like, what's it going to take for you to make this team? I said, well, when you come to camp and you're playing with the guy from the East Coast and the junior player, like, you kind of know, you know, where you're at kind of thing. And he's like, well, what do you mean? I said, well, because the year before, they'd traded for Jerome again. Come on. So he traded Joe Nundike and then, Egya camp played with Flurry Castle's for pretty much the whole camp.

And then, you know, preseason. So they're giving them every opportunity. And Jerome's a great player. Don't, like, man, they misinterpret what I'm saying. But you're giving a guy a great opportunity, same in Colorado, like Alex Tangay. You've got to, you know, they started them all, play with Joe Sackick and me on Hadoek. Like, you know, pretty good. Here, Merry Christmas.

You're going to give you guy a great opportunity. so don't screw up basically. You're going to score 20 goals unless you really screwed up. You're guaranteed. So anyways, so, you know, it's like, you know, I saw you play junior. You can hit and score and play. What you can take you make your team?

So I said, you know, you kind of know, when you go to camp, like, we were playing him. So I show up a camp. He goes, okay. Well, I've watched you play. You know, I think you should make this team, whatever. So I show up a camp, and I'm playing with a league of training camp.

I was with Flurry and a Gingler. I was with a combination of a Gingler, of castles and preseason I had four goals, four assists, and six fights in eight games. So gave me an opportunity, which is great. And then I had two goals and six, I had two goals the first six games. I thought I was going to score 40 and then

didn't score for three months. So that was an ultimate drought, but, you know, he was good. Tortorella was good. Torrello was good because he, they never seen Torrella and Bob Harley. Bob Harley would just demean you and be like, you're a plumber dish. With the plumbers are, like, give it to

he's like, no business handle the puck, no business. And guys were like, geez, man, you're a frigging junior B goal term. You worked in a windshield factory. And you're calling NHL players plumbers. So he was, you know, he'd yell and scream whenever. You never seen him in Torrella was that I tell you guys this. Torrella would yell at everybody. He didn't care.

Like me, you know, Taylor, Villic Callie Richards. It didn't matter. He'd yell at anybody. So like he'd get Vinny going and do video. They'd get them all fired up. So, you know, Torrance is really good in that sense. you know he did send me for 11 games after I had two goals and two games so I wasn't too happy about that but you know my streak my two goal scoring streak stopped from quite abruptly for 11 games but

you know he was good but probably one of the best coaches I had was in the minors was Mike Flitiel and Jay Wells the two of them uh because I got called up in Colorado so I was in the Flurry deal was the other guy and I went to Hershey and they were playing Chicago back-to-back and they had Probert and like Van and Bush and Simpson, Reed Simpson, Todd Simpson, Jamie, Allison Bradbro. Like they just had like murderers role. Tough guys. And so I get, they play back to back. I guess I got pushed around.

So, and Scott Parker was the other guy first round. Like, tough, like, big guy. Tough. He was struggling a little bit. So I get the call. Like, you're going up. It's actually Michelle Gulley. It came and, you know, came down.

He's like, so we flew up together or whatever and came up. and played one game, played a minute in 52 seconds. I had 17 minutes in penalties like it was. So I fought Probert and did pretty good. And then so which isn't a good thing because anyone wants to fight again. So yeah, the second fight was okay too. You kind of tell me a little bit. You're saying in a minute and 57 seconds, starting with Colorado,

you fought Bob Probert twice. Yeah, well, first shift, well, my first shift in the game, they put me out there, and, you know, I kind of line up left-ling. I think it was number four, because I think it was Belak's number. And so he was a good, B-there was one of the guys that went the other way. And, yeah, so I line up, and then, you know, like, next to me, you know, guy kind of comes up, I'm not really looking. He's like, so your coach sending you out here to give me a try?

And I was like, what? He's like, you coach sending you out here to give me try, and I look, it's prober. And I'm like, no, but if want to go, we can. And he's like, are you sure? I was like, yeah, sure. So the funny thing, I tell that story. People are like, wow, you really ask you. And I was like, yeah, you know, it's kind of weird.

It was like, sure, yeah, you're sure. Like, you know, you want to fight? Are you sure? I don't know, maybe you're probably scared a few guys. I'm asking them now, but I always find that quite funny. Like, because people don't understand. Like, you know, you can fight, whatever, and you have a mutual respect for guys.

And then you go have a beer after whatever and because it's a job and that's the guy's cheap or something. But yeah, so just said this, that one killed me because I was like, be sure? I'm like, yeah, sure, sounds good, right? So anyways, yeah, that was a... You fought a lot of the heavy, the heavy of the heaviest in the NHL. Was there any one guy you were like, man, I don't know. I don't know if I really want to do that.

I mean, and the list just, I mean, of the guys you fought. Yeah. Anyone and everyone. Yeah, quite a few. I just, I was like, all of them. No, there was a few guys, like when you're, well, starting out, like Grimson and Proberts, they were scary because they could, you know, knock you out.

Like, if I told me, but he jumped me ass and fight, and he told me that off, and then I turned around, he jumped me, he dropped his golf, and he didn't really hit me anything again. I was like, in the box, like, what are you doing? Like, why are you supposed to be this tough guy? I didn't jump, you don't jump, guys. I'm like, you know, screw you, whatever.

Like, go after yourself, man. I asked you to fight and I turn it on, whatever. But he was tough, too. But, like, it was still Prober and Grimson are two guys. And then La Rock was another guy. So we kind of started out around the same time, I guess. And we kind of fought in a Memorial Cup. I don't know our buddy, Lamer, her mutual friend.

Told you about that one. Well, I know he tried to start something with Big George. Yeah, we're getting killed. killing us because we had I know Wade Red and like just a great player and Justin Kurtz, Spend Boone shot. We did it pretty, you know, excuse me, see, that's still the lungs from the burning of the bike.

God, bad mistake. I'm not doing. Either I got to do Hillsmore and just never do them ever again and walk up. But I wasn't going to walk up the hill because you know why? I'm getting off on a tangent here. But like, so like all these guys, like the Tour of France, Lance Armstrong composers

that have like all the full body Spanics. I can't wear that because it looked like Mr. Incredible. the dad like just to be stuff popping out everywhere like like a sausage but all those guys they got like you know i got a like a okay bike i got a track bike i got a deal on it was like 600 bucks you guys and i'm on this mountain bike and these like these posers are on these 10 000 bikes and they're walking up the hill i'm like you guys are embarrassing jesus if you're gonna like have all the gear and like have this like super light like you know

three pound whatever like we used be able to pedal it up their frigging hill man anyway i made me in my 13 old just on a used track bike and he made it all the way up so my other boy made up on our Jeep bike so anyways yeah I'd uh what you're saying is what you're saying is you're never walking up a hill because if you do you're going to have to eat it on the champ yeah oh i got to take it i'm never going to hear the end of it yeah and then if i see somebody i know that'd be even more embarrassing so anyways back to the george fight um so he was like like no one could get the puck from George. I got this kind of the same where he was so big and no one can our coach, Bobbiol was like, he's killing us there, you gotta do something. I'm like,

okay, Lehmer's like, oh, I got this. I got it. Don't worry about it. So there was a point shot and George wasn't even in front of the head and he was like kind of like maybe like inside of the circle kind of. And so Jody makes the save and he goes to stops. He's nowhere near like not even like not even within five feet of him. And then Jody gets up and goes over and chuzzles him. He's like, what's your problem? You know. And so I get in there and like, hey, what are you doing? Whatever. So I drop the gloves and then so I grab him and he didn't drop his gloves.

I'm like, come out of the school, we're going. And so he dropped one glove. And then I grabbed his helmet. I ripped it in half. Like it was those Cooper ones. Remember those kind of they were like cheap, the thin ones? So I ended up ripping it in half. And I find out after he had a bad thumb so he couldn't fight or whatever.

So anyways, so he had to play the rest of the game with some like a four-finers helmet. And he's like, he's got kind of a, you know, George's got a big head. So they had to play the rest of the game with his helmet. Like, literally sitting on top of his head and the poor kid, poor fighter never played. So I felt bad for the kid, but it was like, he's playing his house, like, sitting on top of his head. It was all funny games till the rookie camp the next year.

And when I was drafted by Calgary, he was drafted by Edmonton. It's like, well, you're going to fight. Let's go, Digger. I'm like, okay. And he's just hanging on and trying to get killed. So he was another guy that is so big and so strong. You know, I did okay against him.

I never, I got one, one fight against him. I can say that. The rest of them, I didn't get killed. So I did okay. Like, I never, like, mentioning fighting, like, I never had my nose broken in a fight. I got cuts. Beeler cut me for six over my eye in one fight, but I broke his nose.

So I take the six stitches over a broken nose. But I did okay, like, you know, in the grand scheme of things, like I did okay. I didn't get, I never got knocked out. and I never got just pummeled. So I take that as like a victory. So because, you know, guys are tough. All those guys have the ability to knock you out or embarrass you.

That's one thing. Like I was never like, like, I never wanted to get knocked out on national television. You know, like in CBC or whatever, right? And all your buddies are watching. And like, oh, yeah, you know, before you know, you know, like, oh, I got knocked out. So, yeah, I did okay. So I can't complain. Fingers are a little crooked.

I can't. One time I was wearing my safety. gloves. I pinch my finger. So go figure. That's why you wear safety gloves. There's my promo. No kidding. Yeah, the old stout gloves. I've heard all about it. It's, uh, you got it. That's an easy way to sell them. Just show them your finger and, and, uh, yeah. It hurts like a mother. You're, you're fighting. Was that something like growing up you practiced or was that something that you kind of got forced into? Um, excuse me, gosh. Still kill me.

Never biking again. No, wait, I'm going to go tomorrow. Just downhill both ways. I think when I used to walk to school uphill, both ways, and no shoes on, you know, two feet of snow. I was telling that story, actually, there was one time I got snowed out where I walked in by junior hikes. My mom's like, you're not staying home.

They'll be such a plus. Got rest of your soul, she's a tough woman. So I walked all the way to school, and then you couldn't see the front of the door because there was a snowdrift, so I decided to walk all the way back home. I was like, told you. Anyways.

But, you know, everyone got picked on, everyone, whatever. So I got chased home from school, and you had to fight. Just because I was bigger and I, whatever. Got my first real fight when I was 15 played midgett, AAA. As an underage, I was myself and Damon Lankow. I was a physical guy, and I liked hitting people, man. I just love crushing people, like scoring. Excuse me.

So I got my first fight in midget. And there was a couple guys, like Jay McKenzie and Dylan Forsy. they're like veteran guys, I guess older guys and playing midget. It's funny because I ran into Jason McKenzie about a year ago. I was up in 4 Mac and I hadn't seen him in like, I don't know, 30, 28 years or something. And so he was one of the guys that he kind of showed me how to fight a little bit. And I could practice. He's like, let's show you some things.

So he was telling the story how, you know, the start of the year, he's got to toss me around. And about like, he's like, after a couple weeks, he's like, she's saying, I was toss him around. He's like, okay, this guy's going to be okay. So I got a fight one game. My dad, I guess some people come watch me or something. I had a goal assistant in the first career, and I mowed this guy down, and he got up and fired fight. So we used to do that thing where you drop your one glove and you fish hook,

put your two fingers in the cage, and he just would pull down. So, yeah, that was my first, I guess it was my first, like, hockey, hockey fight. And then the worst part is it, you can see my ring fingers. So I landed on, so I started to smoke the guy. I landed on top of him when I put my hand down, my finger went. So that was my first hand injury was the dislocated finger there. So my fingers pointing this way

and the trader's like, oh, your fingers dislocated. I was like, okay, so you just pull your finger and, you know, pop it back in and they buddy taped it. And then I did the same thing to this one where I went to the, this is one, this is the first game for the playoffs, 2003, I played the whole playoff. It's the same thing, buddy tape. So you're trying to buddy tape these two fingers and they're both

like, one doesn't straighten out. And this one's just goreth, it's bad. So anyways, you buddy tape them and. So that was like my first fight, but I had a couple guys against showing you. And then you go to junior and there's always like the like Sean McFatchard. It was a great guy, Fattie, Jeff Juvenville, and they kind of wrestle around. They kind of show you how to fight. Before that, there's a guy that edited by the name.

I think it was Daryl Duke. He was kind of a trainer and a boxing gym. So my dad had trained with him and my dad had me doing some boxing lessons because he talked to some guys with the others or something because he did some work for him back in the day. and it was like, you know, you got to be ready just in case because you're a bigger guy. You know, like Kelly McCrimand, even, too, going, when I was going to Brandon was insistent. He's like, you know, we don't want him to be a fighter. You know, he was true to that.

Like, we want, that was a big thing for my parents. Like, you don't want your kid to be a goon or whatever. And the thing you don't realize is that, which is fine is that, you know, in the Western League, when you hit people and you're physical, you've got a fight. There's no, you know, there's no tap out card. So if you're going to run around and, you know, you get your first fight and I did good. Hey, you just keep fighting and you're, you know, all you're scared and everyone's scared, and you just get better and better every year.

And then by my third year, I was just beating people up for fun with the exception of, like, you know, Beeler and, like, McAllister and Beale, be like, Saskatoon had some tough guys, they had some tough teams, man. So other than those, there was a couple guys other than that, like, when I was playing Marty Murray and Darren Ritchie, it was just, like, we were scoring, like I had 40, Rich had 62, and Marty had 55 or something, 50 goals or something. And if anybody touched them, I just grabbed them and just pump them. So it's basically, you're not touching them.

And just, so it's kind of funny, but it's not, but whatever. But you just get something you just practice. And the more you do it, the better you get. And you figure out what doesn't work. And even in junior, like, so I broke my hand at a boxer fracture. And so, like, I go to the hospital. And it was two weeks before the playoffs. So as soon as I hit him, it was one of the top row, one of the top rowski brothers.

It wasn't, uh, it was one that played Moosh. I wasn't Carrie or Shane or wait. Who was the toughest one, the oldest one that played and spoke? Anyways, it doesn't matter. But it was the younger who's in the guy, Mooshaw. So I hit him with one, hit him with another. Sput around. They hit him in that bone in the back of the head.

As soon as I hit him was like, okay. So it broke it and in my hands like hamburger. It's like, you know, swollen up, whatever. It looks like club hand. And so I go to the, and Brandon, I go to the hospital. And then I get your hands broken. And I'm like, yeah, thanks, you know. Hard to tell.

I'm like, well, we can't, you know, cast against two swanuts. We'll come back in a couple of days. So then Kelly's like, okay, we're going to send you the team doctor and Brandon. So the team doctor's brand. They had that, you know, obviously a bigger sports therapy thing. So we're going to the team doctor. And so there's myself and Scott La Luke was another guy. We're going.

And I'm driving my little Mazda B-2000 truck. It was just a little piece of crap. But hey, you know, it's what I can afford. my parents paid half the payments on it and I was on we're going on the way of the doctor so I got a broken hand we're on the trans can I hit black ice

so I started doing this and I corrected like four times and I went woo and we spun around and we were side and you're ever see that movie playing and trains and automobiles like we're literally doing that like we're like driving like sideways down the transcan and like holy shit

like oh my god like so we slide in the ditch we didn't flip over and they look over to Harv and he's like got the you know a little shit handle he's holding it and so like RRV you okay is like We're alive and I'm like, yeah. So drive back on the highway, just, you know, had a heart attack. And so then I go to the team doctor, right?

And all of a sudden my hands not broken. It's just a bone bruise. It's just a bad bruise. And like, really? Because it's like you can still feel like it's bent, you know, like if you don't get it. If it doesn't heal, it's like, you know, whatever. Obviously. So then you get like, we can give you this playing cast, which is like a plaster cast that you tape on.

And I think lasted like one period. And they took it off and fought anyways because it was just. just to be in the ass. So I did, so I taught myself how to fight left-handed, so for, there was a good, there was a good little while there

where I was fighting guys I knew I could beat, so I'd just throw left. So I just started practicing, which is kind of stupid, but kind of funny, so I had a little confidence, I guess. So long,

long answer for you. You just, I learned a little bit before, like I said, before going to junior and then a junior, we had a boxing gym and stuff and, you know, guys have to practice,

just learn how to, you know, grab and, and, you know, I guess stuff like that. And then you just trial by fire, you know. Something doesn't work, you get punched in the nose. It doesn't feel good. So you probably don't.

That didn't work. So I guess I'm not going to do that anymore. Like, oh, that guy's a lefty. Oh, crap. I've heard you talk a lot about the brand and wheat kings. And how you guys were kind of like the Charlestown Chiefs from Slapshot. I was hoping you could share with us a little bit of some of the theatrics. I was listening to you on a different.

episode talking about Kelly McCriman driving the bus mice on the bus brawls in the stands brawls everywhere and how you guys were the tough guys of the WHL? Well there's, I don't know if we were the tough

there's, you know, we had some tough guys and West had some pretty tough teams too but you know you always hear about this guy in this division, the West division you only go play them. You know you do your West Coast trip so Who was the guy in the other side then that you heard all about?

Oh my God, like when I was younger, like there was like big bad John Badook and Kell Holst is a tough guy. Weamer was tough. I mean, who else? Topperowski was the, yeah, there was a ton of them. So anyways, a good story. Well, the bus trips. I mean, Jesus.

So Kelly guys bus license because, you know, bus drivers was really going to like I don't know what it is now. but I think it's like 12 hours or something. Yeah, something like that. They got to rest. So, Krim was practicing. So you got his ticket, I guess, where he was driving. It was a bus driving license. So he would hop in there and got, he'd just driving the gears.

I was like, I was like, hi, Krim, find the clutch, wherever. And he's like, hey, hey, you know. So anyways, the bus was like, it was like from the movies. It was like, it had weakings on the paint and on the side. It was a nice logo, but it's made in 1772, and it burnt oil, and no one cleaned the freaking thing. And so, like, I have allergies. So it's part of it.

And, like, got to get on that thing. My nose would just start running. And so when you're a rookie, like, you don't, you probably don't get a bunk unless there's not a lot of veterans. So they have the bunk in the back. And so my seat made my first year was another than the insider, Darren Dregger. So Dreg's had to sit on the window and I'd sit next to him and poor guy. I was like, some six three, two, 32, or something. and drags against the window and I'm miserable not sleeping

the coach's on the floor so anyways yeah like we'd go for the west coast trip and you'd uh it's like 21 27 hours out west so yeah he did nothing to do and so yeah so the one uh so we played this guy Bobby Brown we called him the greasy squirrel because he just like he had this white feeder like you know white tank top and he wore it the whole trip and it was just like pit stage just grease like when he had one of the bottom bunks and so whenever someone was done with like a sandwich or something and they just throw it on the like basically throw on the ground and kicking his bunk so there's like half

eating sandwiches is pretty bad like ziplock bags and stuff like just gross like I had a second I had the second one so I'm okay I don't have any food and uh so yeah we're on this west coast trip but he literally had the same tanked up on and so crim's switching off driving and we go out there and So one year, we got a bro in Seattle, and they had the two barns where the, they had the big building where the Super Sonics used to play, and then they had the small barn. So we played in the small bar, and that place was just like, everyone talked about, oh, my God, they're on top of you and whatever. So we getting a bra there, and I'm beating the shit out of this guy, like, got him down,

whatever. As we're like, I get tackled by the rest or whatever. And as I'm laying on the ice, like, a fish, like, right in front of my face. And I'm like, oh, okay. It's kind of weird, whatever. So I get kicked out and I'm skating off the ice I'm flipping the fans off but you can't I don't recommend for children but it was a different time

so but just got kicked out of that game and then so we had a good trip for the one year so we're five and we're five and one going in the last game which is a good if you, they always say the West Coast trip if you could go 500 it's a pretty good trip so we go five and one the last games against Portland, the Winterhawks

and they played in the same building their old building where the winterhawks would play. There was like, oh, my God, wait until you go to Port. Like, it's unbelievable, you know. You know, like whatever. I apologize. There's some noise in the background that someone in my family decided they needed ice, right, when I'm doing a live podcast.

I used to be the king of the castle, and now I'm like bottom of the totem pole. Love you. That's my wife. She's a beautiful person. We work together. She's been with me, like, I don't know, she kept me around for like 30 years, so I'm going to start crying.

Anyways, so, yeah, so we're going to last game, and it was like Portland, right? Yeah, I don't know. This happens the last podcast I did. My baby's crying. My kid's coming. My son who's great, my 11-year-old will cook his own food. He comes down and he's cooking brogis. I'm looking at.

I'm like, dude, he can't be cooking brogis. And he's but he's like, oh, sorry, am I loud? You know, when kids are trying to be quiet. They're like, you know, like, sorry. Is that too loud there? Sorry, you know. It's like this. My bad.

Anyways. So we're going to the last game. We're like five on the trips, which is a good trip. And so like in Portland they play, yeah, stir that around. Just take about 10 minutes. I just, it's like I can tell my film.

I got to do podcasts. I give them a time and they wait a half an hour into it. And then you got to come down and get a drink. That's why I did. That's why I did. I didn't walk up there. That's why I wouldn't walk up the hill of my bike. I never heard of the end of it. Here, say hi, she'll. She's over there. There's my lovely wife. Anyways. Secondary before I go on the five and one as I'm crying.

How long have you been with your wife? You've been with her since you're like 18 or 19, haven't you? Yeah, 45 years, I think. 25, yeah. 25 years. Oh, yeah. She's heard too many stories. She's heard them all. I'm like, oh, my God, whatever. Stop telling that story again. You never heard this one, though, so it'll be good for you. You can serve your drink, honey.

So it's just a beauty. Oh, no, she's going to make her daughter a bottle. Do you have one of those bottle makers for your kids? You know, are you loaded in the top? It's like, ooh. Oh, my God. The margarine? Well, the baby margin.

Oh, yeah. That's going to be coming down in about T minus three. You're that, you're that, whew, anyways, yeah. Going, screwing. I'm not doing with an infant. You're talking to a buddy freaking drinking, whatever you want to drink.

Oh, my God. Anyways, yeah, that's what you see. So I try to get a bottle once in a while. So, yeah, now our baby girl's got a bottle. So anyways, we're 5 in 1. And we go in there, like, Portland. Oh, my God. And, like, yeah, places rock.

And so they play, make it have symphony instruction. So they come out like, do-da-d-d-d-d-t. I'm like, this place is great. And you'd hit somebody in the boards and just go like they had to fallaways or whatever they're called. So you hit somebody and the place is going now. It's like, so I scored the first goal. So we're up on nothing and then they proceeded to score 10 straight. So it gets like three one, four one.

I get into play. And then it's five one, six one. I'm like, I'm just getting kicked out. So I'm just doing it. I grabbed a couple guys and got kicked out. But so the rule, so our coach, Bobby Losey, honey. Thanks. You're awesome.

What was that? I don't do hand signals. That wasn't very nice. I'm kidding. Or am I? There's always a little bit of truth to every story. It can't be if somebody that long and not have like jokes. I have a poor sense of you.

Anyway, so we had a rule. When you lost, I tell people that's now like in the age of phones and, you know, all this crap. You know, on the bus, we had the little TV at the friend. A little tiny TV and probably the, not even a DVD back then. Oh, yeah.

might have been beta. No, I'm kidding. It was VHS. Yeah, there was no DVD. So we always had Sophie loss. We didn't, uh, no movie when you lost. So it's like that was your incentive. Right. So, um, so we lose, you know, but we have a good trip. Like, can we watch a movie? Like one of the guys like, hey, you know, can watch a movie? And it was like, but I forgot to watch a movie. And I'm like, okay. So we go to bed, but we got to drive home 27 hours. This isn't like like a three and a half hours from a vagina trip. This is 27 hours like from the coast. So we go to sleep, whatever, no movie.

We wake up the next day thinking, hey, you know, hey, hey, yeah, you're Losey. Everyone's scared to ask. I'm like, hey, Losey, you watch a movie? They're not watching the movie. And I'm like, okay, it's 27 hours, no movie. We stopped once in Medicine Hat. And they had, like,

Medicine Howard had the best be old cutlets. They were unbelievable. They'd have gravy. And, like, you remember those squiggly fries, like the McCain or whatever they were? So we stopped there. We get three hotel rooms. just a shower. So we literally stopped and had lunch and then the vats got to go first,

I had to shower, got back on the bus and then right back to another 11. What was the hot to Brandon? Like 10 hours or something, 10, 12 hours? Yeah, 27 hours. No movies. Yeah, so you always win the last game. So if you're like any of you kids out there that are playing too, or when you go out of East Street, the game's probably changed. That was our rule. If you're going to make sure you win the last game, Otherwise, it's going to be a long trip. But, yeah, we had a brawl and Regina in the playoffs.

That was a, that was a good one. So, like, at the end of the game and jump over the boards, and Bobby Lowe's like, you're not going anywhere. And my dad was in the stands. Marty Murray's dad was dumbing some guys. You always hear stories. Like, you know, you hear, you think you hear every version of it or whatever. So we hop a call and Cucci and myself were big, and we hop over,

and Bobby Lowe's like, you're not going anywhere. And Regina had a tough team, but their tough guys were, they weren't like heavyweets. they were like, you know, probably like in the 5, 10 range, whatever. Marty Murray and Darren Richem were on the ice, those smaller guys. So they had this, uh, check guy. And I think it was, it wasn't Randy Petruck, but it was like Petruick, like a name like that. So this guy just like, do-c-do, hobs on the ice.

And like back then the rule, his first guy gets suspended, everyone else is good, like, which is a great rule, right? That's probably why they changed the role because it wasn't really a deterrence because it was like, okay, like we started back up goalie out there. like Craig Cordell with his Cooper mask. They're like literally we sent him out there with his Cooper mask and his blocker. Like our coach, like those are like put your homin on. Dude chin strap up.

Man, because their goal was tough. God, who they have. And then Pennstock ball him. Anyways. So like after he jumps out there, like go ahead. So like calling, I go out there. So I grab like Murray Murray's guy and I'm like, you're going to get it. And I go grab it and he goes, no, no, I got this.

So I hold his arms. He's like, yeah, that's so tough now, huh? Freaking pussy, yeah, that's what's tough now? And then go ground there and Richie's got. He's like, yeah, how are you like that? I'm just holding him and like he's teeing off on him. I kind of went to little like, because Zurich. I had a bad temper.

I still do, but I like to tell stories and get interrupted so I can laugh about it so I don't get about it anymore. But you think about it, like, some of this stuff that's like crazy. So just dumbing people, right? And then the ref's like trying to like slew with me. So I elbowed the ref twice, knocked him out.

And I've actually seen a little bit of video. Knocked him out or knocked him home? Well, I don't know. I just elbowed him a couple times. I took off and gone. So, yeah, I watched a little video of it. I've seen two different clips. And then, like, we're going off the ice and the guy spits on me.

So I punch him like he's over the whatever. Bobby Lowe's goes into the old agricom there. There was about, like, I don't want to say, like five feet or six feet in between the actual boards and where the stand started. there's cement. So then Losey goes in. So like calling and I go after them and whatever. And so it was quite entertaining. But like, so you think you hear every part of the story. So last summer I was going through with my, it was 10 at the time, my 11-year-old, we were going to play this tournament, the North American Classic or something, Winnipeg.

So we stopped in Brandon. And it was really cool because like, we could stop at this one place. And like, this girl goes, our lady goes, where are you heading through to it? I'm like, well, where are you heading through to it? I go, how do you know I'm heading through? And she's like, I know who you are? And I was like, who am I? She's like, you're Chris Tangman. I was like, holy crap, man.

Like people like, I still remember that I was checking in the hotel saying like, oh, how's it going, you know, I got your bobblehead. And I was like, wow, it's kind of cool because, you know, I haven't played there. Whatever, but I guess when you're in a ton of brawls and stuff, they're memorable. But so anyways, you think you hear every story. So like, I go to, I call Rick Dolbo and all the people are still in the staff and Kelly McCremont's wife, and daughter, then son, they're all in Darren Ritchie. She's a gym.

So they still have a lot of the same people. So I was like, hey, you know, come like to come down and say hi, sure. So like, hey, you want to, you know, me and my son, you want to tour to the locker room? Like, sure. I'm like, you know, I'll take. Oh, sure, day. Let's go. Yeah, let's go.

You know, like, and they have, oh, like, God, they get this extra room. Like I said to my son, I'm like, listen, none of this was here. My wife, I think you had the locker room. And then you had, like, the metal cold tub, like the big metal, like, look, beer tub looking thing. And that was about it. And he had showers. But they've improved a lot anyway. So they were talking like, so Rich,

Rich is like saying to my son's like, well, you know, your dad used to fight a lot. You know, he's kind of, like a little me. And that kid's all they've seen my fights or whatever. So, um, Derek Delavada or no one goes, you know what's funny? He goes, remember that brawl of the giant?

I was like, yeah. And he goes, I don't know if you remember this, but he's like, it's at the end of the game. And he goes, I just remember, like, guys were sprinting up the, the aisle. I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, they're sprinting up the aisle, and then they come sprinting back, double-fisted.

I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, they didn't shut the concessions down. So it's like, at the end of the game, you guys are in this brawl, and he's like, I've never seen this before. He's like, grown men are sprinting up the aisle just so they could buy pop so they could throw you.

So literally guys would sprint up, buy two, and then just fire them at us on the ice. And he's like, I never heard that. He's like, I've never seen that before. He's like, why are the concessions still open? And I'm like, yeah, good point. So anyways, I never heard that. in the story, but like ice was littered. People were throwing batteries at us.

And I'm like, I'm 17 years old. I'm like, Jesus, man, you're throwing batteries at me. Look at the hell. Like, don't waste your beer and throwing at me. So, yeah, that was one of the brawls we've had. We had one in, I'll sit around the brawl topic. Here's my one last one about Junior. So my buddy, who I met my way through, he drives his little handy out to watch me and Braddon. So he drives like 10 hours. Like you could do it in 10 and half if you're booking it. You just stopped to get gas and take a week or whatever. whatever and um say jives all the way out there and before you know so in the western like you don't again you you have these rules you don't know why these rules are in place until

you realize why these rules are in place you know what I mean because there's a reason why something happened so you'd hear these stories about seven like why do we have separate warm-offs you know the road team would go on for 15 minutes and you go off and then the home team and then play the game excuse me I was like why they have this rule like what they need this rule for well, you don't really realize. Might have real. Still something happened. So they,

who we play? I mean, we were playing Moose Shop. And they traded for this tough guy, Van Steinberg in there or whatever. So we'd had her separate warmups. But then this is like, before the anthem we're skating around.

And this guy gets skated across the red line and Colin Cucci, like just clothesline. I'm like straight out of the lake, Slop shop. Just decked them, I guess. So I'm at the hash marks in her own end, you know, like, and I'm looking around.

Like, where is everybody, man? Like there's no one anywhere near me. I mean, it's like for the anthem, we're skiing around. So look around and I know, it's sitting right. So I draw my gloves and go flying over and grab a guy, you know, pumped a few guys. Like literally got bites like right in front of my bullets and my buddy who drove it down. So anyway, long story short, it's like you don't realize you have a rule.

So you have a rule. So I didn't even play the shift so I got kicked out of the game because this was before the anthem. So Kelly McCann, I heard another version. So you heard the other version. So Kelly McCrimand is in the office. And this lady goes in there. Oh, my God, it's crazy. It's like your WWF out there.

You know, I got, you're fighting part of the game. I want a refund. And Kelly goes, hey, you're not getting a refund. Be what the fucking did you would sit here talking to you? Because he was, you know, coming out to watch the fight. So I don't even play a shift. And my buddy was like, so after, you know, having a beer or two. He's like, that was awesome, man.

But I would have liked to see him play a shift. But that was great. So he drove down, didn't even watch him play a shift. So, yeah, we had a few. A few memorable brawls, that's for sure. And there's a few more that'll come to mind. Well, my buddies came to watch me in Saskatoon, and I didn't make it out of the first period

because I thought Bielack second bite. So I watched the rest of the game. I had a hot dog in a soda. So my buddy, same thing. That was great. Oh, man, that was great. We like to see him play a little bit more. So whatever.

When you elbow the rep and knock him out and getting things throwing at you have batteries throwing and guys are grabbing trinks and everything's just going absolutely heat wire how many games for that you get suspended yeah i got one me and bobby low's got one game so i don't know how we're the only two that got suspended everyone else is doing i think because he went in the stands whatever but uh yeah i like i just he was trying to slew for me so i just kind of you know whatever because i was trying to like get it people and stuff so yeah i got one game so

I just, it was, the next game was in Regina, too. So I didn't sit and stand. So I was, like, kind of crapping my pants a little bit because, you know, I was still 17. And you're tough with your buddies, but you're sitting by yourself. And, like, Bobby Lowe's wasn't even allowed in the rank. So it sucks for him. Like, I'm going to go sit and stand. Like, when somebody wants to jummy him, like, so I'm walking around, like, you know,

my tip-top tailor sued, my, you know, ugly flower tie. My only tie had because I was 17 and had no money. he was making $40 every two weeks or whatever less. I was like, oh, my God, he makes so much money.

I'm like, no, you don't. And I'm not playing junior. Anyways, you're walking around. I'm all kind of like, scared or whatever.

And like, so no one did anything, which was great, but that game was awesome because we were up, uh, we lost game force, we were up,

it was the best of five. We're up two on the series. And that game was literally like a no hitter. Like, if a guy hit one of our guys, it was like, oh, sorry, like,

I got to hit you because they knew, like, if they were, they were stupid and accurate out that the next game would have been not good for him. So that's why fighting is a good deterrent. Like fear, fear's a good deterrent. So again, you have these rules. But I don't touch anybody that game.

It was hilarious. I was like, oh, my God, these guys do not want to play another game. That was in the middle of the game. Oh, yeah, yeah. That was playoff. Yeah, it was first round. First or second round? I believe it was the best of five.

Because I think the best of five, like the first round was the best of five. And I went to best of seven. I don't know. This was like, I could be wrong. It was 20-something years ago, so. But yeah, it was in the playoffs. Different time, different game. Do you think, do you miss that part of the game pretty much being obsolete now?

Do I miss it? Yeah, I think it's, yeah, I mean, like, they're fun. Like, you know, like, looking back, you know, it's, yeah, it's kind of scary, like, some of the stuff. But, like, it was great. There's nothing better to bring a team together in a good, all. Like, this is a good dust up. Like, it just, like, that's the thing, like, when you play junior, like, everybody fought. Like, even your skill guys, you had to have one, like, at least one fighter, one or two fights here. And it was against the other team's skill guy, too.

Like, Marty Murray would fight, you know, their first line center or whatever. And guys loved it, man. Like, it was great. Like, so, you know, I miss it. I mean, look at the, but, like, that was the last, this past season or whatever. I mean, what was the best games in the season? It was Evanton, Calgary, because Chuck was running. around like an idiot and Cassie and I wanted to kill him and then they had the game and so you have the goalie fight and you know goalies got all the gear on so they can't really you know really hurt themselves too much so that was awesome like and then the best part of the best part of what it was um it wasn't even the Cassie and could chuck it was Nugent Hopkins and he was

Bonahan yeah yeah that was great so like when you see skill guys get mad and fights like that's I for me I think it's it's great yeah I like the game's missing you know you like back then we had her buddies. I got I have buddies now that I played with and against but you know when you were playing you were playing and there were some miserable you know some miserable bastards to play against I got him foot I played it he was miserable like even practice God he just abused me and every time I get mad or do something hardly in screaming I mean I'm like he just cross-shock five times and flip my helmet off and I push some months or cross-jack him here screaming on me but yeah I missed like you watch the old

video was Detroit and Colorado like that was that was just before when I went there I I wish everyone always asked me, were you there for that or whatever? I wish I would have been because that was, like, those are, like, you were just waiting for those games, right? Like, you were just, like, I always watch, like, I can't sleep or something. Like, I watch YouTube and I always watch, like, Edmonton Calgary in the 80s. You know, and it was just like, you're just, like, Tim Hunter's going to fight McClellan or Samanko and, you know, they've already fought. I've got those how many times. And, you know, I was just like, it was great.

wasn't much about a hockey game, but there was so many skilled players. It was just a war. So I was thinking it would bring a little bit more of that back. I think we would eliminate some of the things. And I keep saying, well, you know, you've got to grow the game in the states. And I played in the states. I played in Colorado. I played in Tampa.

I mean, what do you think happens when you go to a boxing fight in Tampa? I went to, like, Delaware's fight with a hoot. You fought with her or someone. So I get decent seats and, like, 12 rows up on the side. And, like, man, when Delaware got. rocked and you can tell you was like whatever and everyone's standing up and like the place was electric like people love that UFC you know physical stuff so he uh but they're like we got you know like Gary Bevin to like to grow the game they don't like violence like okay like what's popular

in the u.s football? football guys get hit it's like you know whatever and UFC is a big sport so yeah I think they need I wish they could have more of it but obviously there's not a lot of it like the skills are, but still, like, just the animosity. Like, just guys are too nice. Like, there's a guy fall on Twitter, and he just chirps to the Leafs all the time. And, like, they're just having a great time. Like, you know, I played it forlton Keefer a little bit. And, you know, the new culture, and that's great.

But, like, like, why is losing fun? Like, you know, you lose a game and then they're playing music. You get to DJ at practice. Like, what the hell? Like, I know it's different and the game's changed. But, like, ultimately, like, if you're having fun, fun losing or it's okay, then what's your, uh, you know, like, why do you want to win? Because you make a good money or whatever. And I was, you know, like, again, talking about going

to Colorado, well, Flurry was at, had a little too much fun. And he moved on and I stayed and I was lucky enough to win a cup. And, but I mean, it was like, all about winning there. It was like, we're winning. Like, our goal is to win. And we traded for Ray Bork. And then, you know, we lost in seven games. And the next year, he came back. It was really like, we went into training camp and it was our goals to win or finish first overall so if you have a game seven it's in our building and anything last is unacceptable and that was it and it was awesome and you know we had some you know we had uh you know we had arrivals we had games that were rough and whatever and but that was it like it was awesome so you know like it's just too fun like oh yeah how you do

and warm up hey buddy how's it going like you can say you do that after the game but before the game I mean people like that whether they admit it or not like fans like now like you got to be a sensitive and this and that like obviously concussions uh you know i've had a few but you know if you manage them and you're smart it's okay but it's a risk you can get a concussion getting body checked i mean jesus how many guys get caught their head down so yeah that's your question and a long uh and a long answer is yeah i wish there was i mean if every game was emington calgary jesus like what would the viewership be it'd be unbelievable well we got very close to having it first around before the COVID hit.

And the province might have tore itself apart in an awesome way, I think, right? Like, everybody was just dying for the Battle of Alberta. Oh, God, it would have been so good. The older generation loves the physicality and the fighting. And then there's the younger generation that just doesn't remember it. You get whacked. You get their thing of toughness now. of dirty,

Crosby, Wack and the thoughts, thumb off. That's pretty much what they think of is, it just didn't come through the wood stick era of baseball swings and everybody fighting the two-fight rule. I think it was, I think it was listening to one of the hockey fight podcasts where they talked about,

and I completely forgot about this, where you used to not get the 10-minute misconduct, that used to not go against your total. So if you got a 10-minute misconduct, it didn't add and keep adding up to your total. It was just minor penalties and fights. And so when you look back at old guys, you're like, I only had, like, I don't know,

however many penalty minutes. It's not that much. Well, it is when you think about it, especially if you knock off all the tens, like that's a lot of minutes, a lot of hard minutes to earn. That was the thing. So I went to two Memorial Cops,

which was, great, but you play the Quebec teams, and, you know, the Quebec teams always had, like, one or two heavyweights, and then they just had a bunch of, like, little weasels that would, like, you know, your Sean Avery's or whatever, the guys would run around, and, you know, but these guys have 350 minutes. So, like, I'm looking at the, before the game, and you're looking at, okay, you don't really know these guys, okay, who's this guy, I'm not going to worry about it, but if I got a flight or whatever. And look, these guys, you got 350, four minutes, and you go on the ice, and the guy's, like, five, eight, like, 160 pounds soaking wet.

I'm like, Jesus Christ, how many tens? I'm like, why do you get those paleo minutes? Well, in the Quebec League, they count 10. So in the Western League, again, like, if you had, so the one you had, you know, I had 40 goals, 43 assists, I had 200-something pims, and I had 30 majors. So I had 150, you know, my math's not that good, but I had 150 minutes in fighting majors.

And then the other, the rest 50 plus were punching or across. or roughing or charging. So, yeah, there was no tens. It was like, so your penalty minutes were legit. So, yeah, that's what you're saying. I mean, like, if you had, you know, 200 something or 300 penalty minutes, they were well earned.

They were well deserved. So it wasn't like, because that's what those guys would do. It would be, you know, if a game was like, you know, they were guys in the minors and the American argument, they would do it. So you see a guy that had like 400 minutes or 500 minutes and what it was is every time, you know,

the game was like, you know, a game's almost over and it's 5-2 or something. A guy go out and do some, tell the ref to go out of himself and, you know, go a little cuckoo and get two, five, and a 10 and another 10. So you pick up, you know, 25 or 30 minutes at the end of the game, and it just stacked on. So, yeah, that was one thing I like about the Western League is that your, back in the days, your penalty minutes or your penalty minutes. There was no, you know, tacked on 10 minutes.

So you were in the right way or the wrong way, depending on who you ask. A lot of, uh, analytical guys will say that the tough guy serves no purpose and the stars still get hurt if you're out there or not when you have to say to that um now now or whatever like you can say whatever but like when me and i moochie was in his prime and he was on the ice you knew he was on the ice and you know Ryan Reeves he was on the ice you know well why is Ryan reeves still in the NHL. Like, why is Tom Wilson? Like, when Tom Wilson's on the ice, he's effective because he's a

first line player and he can hit, he can shoot, he can fight, and like, you know when he's on the ice because he'll take your head off. And if you want to fight him, he'll probably beat the crap out of you. So I don't agree with that. I mean, it's very hard to do when they, like, when they put the instigator rule and it was very difficult to self-police because you're trying to get a guy to fight, but you don't want to get the extra two, five, and a 10 or whatever crap it was. So, You're like, come on, let's go, let's go. And then what would happen is the guy you're trying to fight some little weasels run around.

He'll drop his gloves and get the jump on you because you don't want to get the extra, the instigator. So, I mean, I don't know. People say that, but, I mean, you get, like, if you're running around, you fight a guy and you get knocked out or something, you get your nose broken, are you still running around? No, because your nose is all plugged up and you got two pieces of cotton in there.

You're wearing a full cage. Then you get the bubble cage on, and then you're playing. So I think it still serves a purpose. I think the guys, yeah, you know, obviously you have to be able to play. And if you can skate and you can hit and you can fight. So those guys that could do, like the Wilson's and obviously there's other guys, I'm not thinking off the top of my bed. But like, you know, Luchits in his prime was the best because he would try to bury guys five rows deep.

And then if anybody touched one of his guys, like he were going to get it. Like the Matt Cook thing, even, you know, like the animosity between Pittsburgh and Boston, every Matt Cook, Savarty caught him with the album. whatever. And so what happens is stuff like that. So even, you know, he probably knows a little bit is so like the Colorado and the Detroit, the animosity was it. So Claude the Mew started all that. And Claude the Mew is not a fighter. But man, like, we were playing cards one time. And he got pissed and he grabbed the deck of cards and he ripped them in half. Like a full deck of cards ripped them in half. I can't do that. Like how strong are you to rip a deck of cards in

half? Pretty strong, I think. So, but he started that all of that animosity by that bad hit, right? So like there's that. And then so I remember like when I went to Colorado, everyone's like they were talking about and they're finally like, like you got to fight. Like we're all fighting for you. Like go after yourself like to Lemieux. Like you started this.

You know, you got to fight like next game. You know what I mean? So then I don't remember like he lines up against McCarty and he does okay. Like he fights him and he does pretty good. That's all he had to do. But 15 other guys had there was like, you know, how many five line brawows in between them? goalie fights like waz fighting osgood whatever in between that because he started all that

shit and he didn't uh didn't fight so you know even the mad cook thing too like where you know he had to answer for it so you know again the same thing guys like because you know what happens is that you know cosby and the skill guys are like listen you're running around like a donkey like you got you better fight because you know well i'm getting chopped because what happens if you don't fight there's a way to make guys fight so when he finally fought it was because guys Like his skill guys went, like, cause he went, like, listen, you're fighting. So he thought, I think it was Thornton at the start of the game, whatever. And, you know, he did okay.

He didn't get knocked out, and that's all you got to do. But if you're going to hit somebody, like, he knew who's coming. And what happens is everyone else get pissed because they're all fighting for you. So I remember a good story. Dean Brown told me, you know, he was a play-by-play guy in Ottawa, and he was telling me about Chris Neal. And, you know, I got respect for him and even though the whole playoff thing we had. But, you know, he was a tough guy.

So remember they had those two brawls, like, was Ottawa and Buffalo and the goal and then Peters fought Ray Emery and everyone's like oh my God you can't find a goalie but Ray Emery

got rest of soul like he was like I think he was like a golden gloves boxer or something like he was a good fighter guys like listen you don't realize how tough this guy was

but anyway so after those games and so Dean Brown was telling this story one time I was doing TV with the lightning and it was great because he goes so he's like all this stuff happens

right all these balls and everyone's like the next game it's going to be great and he goes and he goes goes, you know what happened? I'm like, what? He goes, nothing. I go, why? He goes, well, the first shift, or he was like the first stop at your first shift. He goes, Chris Neal goes over to Buffalo's bench. He goes, if anybody touches 11 or 19, the little midget gets it. I don't give

a flying, you know what? I'll take a 20 game suspension. Anybody touches 11 or 19, the little major gets it? I don't care. I'll take his suspension. He was talking about Daniel Breyer. So Daniel Breyer is sitting on the bank. So he's like, Daniel Breyer sitting on the bench going, Jesus cry. I didn't do anything. Like, what the, so that stopped it? Because he's like, listen, like, I'm not going to get my head taken off. These guys want to run around like idiots.

And he was like, it was hilarious because he's like, you know, there was a couple fights so that he fought the feeders or, you know, the heavyweights fought the heavy weights. And other than that, it was a tame game, but it was just, it was just him saying that because he's like, he was a little bit crazy. And they didn't know if he was going to take his head off or not. So he was like, it was perfect. But it was just, I still good, you know.

Anybody touches 11 and 19, a little. against it so I thought yeah that was a good story so I've had I've had Mick sorely on here before Marty and he's had a very similar story uh about being with uh L.A. or the oilers I can't remember now but basically doing the same thing the guys didn't want to fight him and they basically said you shuffle them to the end of the door of what I'm out and we're going to go and if he doesn't that guy's getting it oh that guy's getting it and oh he came and away they went the next shift. Yeah, there's always a way to make guys fight you. So maybe Kelly Chase, he's a good guy. And he's like, like, I remember saying the same thing. You don't have to fight me.

I'm like, you will fight me because you just go run over, I don't know, sack it. You know, I run over sackick a couple times or Foresburg, you know, you sure as hell the coach is going, listen, like, you know, whoever's on Dignman or Parker or whoever's on the bench, you know, pick Chris Simon, whoever, like, you better go take care of him because he's running after a skill guy. Yeah, there's a way to make people fight you. And McSorily was, I like watching his fights too, but Jesus. I actually had the idea, the no shoulder pad idea from, because I watched he had the suspenders.

So I was like, this is pretty cool, man. So he just had the cup. So my second or third year, my first year, my jersey was so tight. And I had those big shoulder pads, like the dons is like the, and like my jersey was skin tight. So anybody grabbed my arm. I couldn't throw it. It was brutal.

So I asked the trainer, so I got a goalie cut jersey. or no, my second year. Excuse me, I didn't get a goalie cut jersey, but I had them, like, cut open the sleeve a little bit and, like, make it bigger. So you could get your arm out. And then my third year, I had a goalie cut jersey. I had Velcro.

I had them, like, attached some Velcro to my elbow pad right there. So it would hold right here. And then I had the shoulder pads. I had no straps, but they were just thin foam. And then they had the cups. So it was, like, one, two, and the usually, like, the second throwler. I could pull my arm out if I was, like,

throwing the seatbelt on. And then once that came off, I was like, oh, my God. And every time the game was on TSN, or TSN, back in the day, it was guaranteed fighting. I just remember Gordon, Gordon Miller in one game, he was like, watch out this Dingman guy can throw him. I love it.

I was like, so I had to fight. So I got that idea from McSorley because I remember watching the fight. And I'm like, the guy's trying to fight him. He's like trying to hold on of this one suspender. It's like, you know, he got nothing to hold on. And I think back too and even like, man, those guys were tough. But Jesus, why are you wearing a jofa? Like I have one of those jofa.

helmets and I use it for like charity games right like but there's nothing to that drofa helmet and he wore that helmet his whole career like Jesus man and then like you got the other guys that had those remember those old big cooper helmets like yeah you know some padding like god man like you're tough and you're fighting all the heavy that you're wearing this little thin plastic dropha helmet like Jesus so all the respect in the world for him so I never met him but it's where I got that idea the shoulder pad idea because I thought that was pretty smart so you just loved it You loved showing up to the rink knowing that when, you know, whether it was Forrestburg and Sackick and Hey Duke and that group of guys in Colorado, or whether it was La Cavier and Brad Richards and the group in Tampa or whatever group in between,

that when shit went sideways, you were going to be there. Yeah, I think, like, you know, there were times, obviously I was scared for sure. Like, you're fighting Probert. but then after I fought them the first time and the second time I'm like you know okay I couldn't do this whatever you know what I mean and then you

you know when you're hurt it's difficult to fight like there's some times where you know I just get my shoulder and stuff but yeah like I you know it's a tough job and like people critique you like oh my God you held on too much or you wouldn't stand back and grow

and it's like you know I have to do this to stay in the league like when I went to call Colorado was like, okay, if you want to play here, we need a physical guy. Okay, no problem. You know, it was the first round pick, whatever, but, you know, like, I had no, like, I wanted to play on that team. So, and then you're on that team and guys appreciate you fighting, like when Fortberg says,

thanks, you know, after you fight a guy, you know, it's great. Or, like, remember those Oakley visors came out, that was kind of like early 2000s. That's when Oakley started doing the, so these guys would go to L.A., and I think, God, who was the visors? the Oakley guy was Billy Heard or something. So like Forsberg and sack kicking those guys, we get like eight pairs of Oakley's. I loved Oakley's.

So I remember I was asking forsberg, like, hey, or Joe, I asked Joe, hey, can I get some, you think I get a pair of glasses? Like, well, I don't know. I'm like, you got eight pairs. Like how many pairs do you need? He's like, well, I mean, one for the boat, one for my truck, whatever.

I was like, Jesus, come on, man. And so I asked Forsberg. And he's like, yeah, I'm like, hey, man, do you think I get, I sell up I'm off him off you or whatever. I just think they're going. And he's like, yeah, sure, whatever. And I showed up the rink, the practice rink. We got back from L.A.

And there was a pair of my stall. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, nothing. Thank you, you know. Because he knew, like, guys went after him. He was a guy that whatever. So, yeah, I like, obviously, like, sticking up for my teammates. And junior was really fun.

And, you know, just because, God, he even my last year, like, Peter Schaefer, he just lip guy. He just verbally abused guys because I was standing next to him. He knew he could do whatever he wanted. So it's when people say the analytics and all that stuff, there's a reason why Bob Prover went to the All-Star game because he was crazy. You know, he's a nice guy off the ice, right?

But on the ice, he was like, he made room and he could play. So if you have a guy like that, like, you know, in baseball, what are they called the Five Tools or a Five Tool guy, whatever, but if you're a guy that can play and hit and fight and score, oh, my God. Like, it was great. So anyways, I do. I did enjoy it.

I mean, not all the time, obviously, but I did enjoy playing that role because the fans loved it. Like, I was joking, I was in Colorado, and I had a fan club. It was a four-member fan club. It was like four people with two couples. And they're like, hold the sign-up every game,

Chris England fan club. And I'm like, hey, I got a fan club. And I'm fully, I'm putting me like, you donkey, there's only four people in you, loser. And I'm like, they're still got a fan club. So, anyway, yeah, I like, I like it's, I like, it's uh i like that the fans enjoyed it and uh you know even in tampa like it was great i could go

anywhere and like i said even going back to brandon 20 years later people like oh hey dingling so they remember so they like people appreciate i think fans and people appreciate guys that work hard and are willing to hit and fight and block shots because you know most people are hardworking blue caller, you know, farmers or, you know, those guys are, man, they're tough, they work hard and, you know, stuff like that. So, you know, people in oil and gas, like, you do physical jobs. I think, you know, people appreciate that. So, you know, I like the people appreciate that. And, you know, like, God, what would I talk about this? If I didn't have all these stories about people throwing batteries and pop at me. So, and all the brawls and bus rides. So you got to

do some of these things that have some stories to tell. So, yeah, it was good. It was like, It was really rewarding. I did have a... I did, I saw on a... It was like a hockey fight stat thing where I'm leading, I'm tied for the most majors in the Stanley Cup finals

with four or something. I had two in Colorado, so one of which was against Sean O'Donnell and Steve Ryndrake scored, so I got an assist while I was fighting. So I don't know if that's ever happened before, so I'll take it. Because I was skating off the ice. Again, my face is going nuts.

It's like, you know, Oh, you know, whatever. And I'm like, that was a good fight. I didn't think he was that good a fight. So you get out of footies, like, freaking idiot. They're not cheering for you. Rino scored.

Steve Rydbrick, we call him Rino. I'm like, oh, cool, awesome. So I got an assist. As I'm going down the tunnel because it's at the end of the game or something, or under five minutes in the period or whatever. So anyways, yeah. So I did enjoy it. I did most parts of it I enjoyed.

There was obviously some tough things with it, too. but a little bit of fear, a little bit of anxiety. But yeah, definitely I enjoyed playing physical. You know, you've talked briefly. You win a cup with the avalanche, and then you win another cup with Tampa Bay. Okay, we got to just dive a little bit into the avalanche. I mean, both years, you got the year that Ray Bork wins it.

It's like maybe in the last 20 years, one of the most iconic images of Sackick, just grabbing the cup from Batman. I remember watching that and just being like, it's gone right to Borg. Like, this is awesome. And even Batman knew, everybody knew, the building knew, the whole country knew. And he just walks it over and up it goes. That is an unbelievably iconic moment. And then a couple years later, Andrew Chuck went in it with Tampa Bay is just as iconic

because he's another guy at the end of his career that gets to hoist it. Yep. well let's start with colorado like what was it like that year that finals game seven both of them game seven geez like it's almost written up the same way one could you know staring at it like what what colorado was you know you talked about it from day one you wanted to win the stanley cup that was the expectation but you know what was it like showing up in a dresser room with forestberg Sackett, Patrick Waugh, Ray Bork, Rob Blake, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, Drury, Hey Duke.

Going down the line. It was a, well, it was just a great, it was a, it was a great, how I say it's probably. Just a great group of players and great group of people and they were all about winning. And, you know, 2001, 2004, both series we were down three, two, going on the road. We had to win game six to go back home. So, I mean, 2001 was, it was awesome because Ray came back. And there was all this pressure, right? Because Ray came back and win one for Ray.

And I remember in the playoffs, every game was, or every, sorry, every practice was optional. But it wasn't optional for, like, myself and floor flying guys and whatever. But I didn't care. Like, it's fly like skating. But Ray would come out for, every practice. And Sackick would come out a little bit here and there.

And I finally said, like, great, Jesus Christ, man, what are you doing? Like, like, 42 years old, like, like, take the day off, man, take the optional I would. He goes, first of all day here, I'm 41. Second of all, if I don't come out and skating, I might not get out of bed, so fuck off. I was like, okay, sorry, but I was just kidding, but he's laughing, but he loved it too. Like, he'd only come out for, like, 10 or 15 minutes. He'd do a couple skating drills and, like, those guys could leave whenever they wanted. So he was great.

Like he, you know, again, he was like, it was all win-one for Ray and win-one. There's all his pressure. And, you know, we're going into game six and hardly gave his speech, whatever. You know, I was like, yeah, whatever. And then Ray stood up, you know, and it was like, listen, you know, I'm sick of hearing all this and that. He's like, no, win it for yourself. He's like, you win it for yourself.

My name would be right next year. He's like, here's what we're going to go out. We're going to win this freaking game. And they were going back. going to win game seven. Like, who's with me kind of thing? Like, I'm over this. We're going on.

We're going to win this freaking game. And I was like, you know, hairs are standing up. It was like the brave are like, freedom. Like, oh, I got. Yeah, we were winning that game for sure. So I went out and we beat Jersey pretty handily. And then, you know, again, on the bus, he's like, okay, we're not, that was great, but we're not done yet.

And, you know, game seven was, we just knew we're going to win. It was like, you have that feeling. And, you know, like, they could have, Jersey could have won. on home ice and then you have the cup of the billy you got to get on the plane and you know the next game was a great you know Alex Tangay had two goals and you know it was great and there was so much pressure on it but it was great it was good pressure and well people don't know before that is that so hardly it was like I'm going to play my top guys and if we lose I played my top guys well like like Joe Sackett is one of the best condition athletes I've ever played with and you know everyone's

a good shape I was always in like like I had the best wind gate a couple years I was there to the sprint bike. But like, like, you're killing these guys. Like, Bob would play these guys, like, enormous minutes. And then the playoffs, he got, like, it's four rounds and it's taxing. And, you know, Peter Forsberg lost his spleen after the second round. And, you know, I remember, like, so I'll never forget, we're playing in St. Louis. We're going in, like, double or triple overtime.

Our line had scored that game. And we played, like, seven minutes. So, like, do the math. We played seven minutes out of, you know, 100 minutes of hockey. It's not a lot of ice time. and who's playing all those minutes. So you're down in Forsburg. So I'll never forget, we're in St. Louis,

and Ray gets up in the locker room. You go through the locker room, and there's a coach's office, and Ray goes, gets up, goes into the coach's room, slams the door. And like two minutes later, he comes down,

he goes, everyone's going to play beef, you know, B-F and ready. And, like, all of a sudden, they're rolling the lines. One, two, three, four,

one, two, three, four. And, like, he wanted to win that bad. He basically said, play me less. So I thought that was great. It's, you know, he really wanted to win. We wanted to win for him. But his whole demeanor and just the way he handled everything was, no, don't win it for me.

We're going to win this. Like, win it for yourself. It's not win one for me because there's so much pressure and stuff. So you'll be able to do that. Yeah, I just, you know, Ray Bork, you waited, you know, a long time to get this. You know, Gary Bevin, whatever. So, yeah, it was pretty cool. I was like, look, and I'm like, oh, that's me in the background.

You see my beard. Oh, there is. know. So I was like, hey, there's me. Hey, there's Ray. There's Patty Waugh. And even the better, the best part is, you know, their kids were all super young. So I was a young guy. And, you know, Ray was 41. And, you know, Patty was in his 30s or whatever. And, you know, I'm like 20, what was like 23, 24, somewhere in there, whatever. And they're kids were all young. They, like, Jeff Rogers the year before when he was, unfortunately, he wasn't there when we won. But, like, his kids were tiny. Like, all their kids, like, Ray Bork's kids, they were, like,

They were like, you know, 10, 11, 12, whatever. Now they're all grown and stuff. So it was pretty neat. So, yeah, that was a special one. And, you know, 2004 was great, too. Same thing. You know, Dave Anterchuk had waited 20, you know, somewhat years or whatever. So it was pretty special, too.

We're down the same thing. Down three, two, going to Calgary and win game six and double overtime. And, you know, worked out getting game seven. So, you know, people always, there were some guys online. they were talking about that goal and I said, you know, like it was over the line or whatever. And we watched the video we looked at it and they proved it wasn't. Like, who knows? But I always tell my kids, like, if you're going to score an overtime or you're going to score,

you better make sure, like, the back of the net goes like this. So then there's no, like, irrefutable. You don't see irrefutable. Like, it was in, you know, like, oh, maybe we went in or whatever. But I turned into this geography. And I, you know, because I just said there was still game seven. like you still had one more game. So whether it was in or not,

you still had another game. So you could have won it in game seven, but you didn't. We did. So zip it. Basically. So, but yeah,

both great teams, like you said, some veteran guys. You needed everybody to win. The two guys in Ray Bork and Dave Anercheck that, you know, played a long time and had to wait a long time to win.

And, you know, you want to win it for them. But, you know, you want to win it for yourself too, and you want to win it for your buddy. And, you know, the teams that win,

there's a reason why teams win and don't win. And there's always something. You know what I mean? There's that, you know, you've talked to enough guys. You have a feeling. You get hot or you know, you get on a streak or you have a goalie who's phenomenal or you just have good teams. Like back in the 2000s, I mean, you had Detroit.

You had Dallas had good teams in Colorado. And, you know, it was like we would play. And it was great because we would play teams. And I remember someone saying this to me after, like, we would play you guys in Colorado. And, like, I didn't talk about Flurry where, like, he had a hard time going to Colorado. And I was like, why? And I remember I got him Florida.

A couple of guys were like, well, because you're getting everyone's A game. It's not like going into Calgary when you're out of the playoffs. And no one gives a shit because, you know, it's January and you just want to, it's a Saturday night. And you just want to win so you can go to Cowboys or go off a couple beers after. Like, no one's getting geared up to play Calgary when they're, you know, in the 12th spot or 10th spot. You know what I mean? back in, you know, the early to mid-90s. Like, but when you go to Colorado, you're playing Colorado, like, you're getting

everyone's A-game. And that's, like, you know, so it's difficult. And it was great, too, because you were, like, the measuring sticks. I remember what I'm saying? Like, you know, we played you guys. Like, that's where, you know, like, you knew if you're, like, a contender, I guess, or not, basically. Is it, you know, if you could hang with them, then you had a good team, like,

and so you were the measuring sticks. You're always getting everyone's A-game. You weren't catching anybody by surprise. They weren't going into St. Louis and catch them sleep. And they were ready to go because they knew, you know, if they were ready to play that, you know, Forsberg or Sackick or whomever would let you up. So it was great.

They could just all of it. So just very, you know, two good teams and two great players that had to wait a long time, which was great for them and great for me. So I was just lucky to be there and, you know, be a part of it. What did you do with your days with the cup? Just party. Basically still like this. Took pictures.

No, I just took it around some places and some friends and I took a lot of pictures and I just had a party. And I just, you know, bought beer and I played drums. So I had a band, a local cover band called Mustard Smile. So they played my first one and they played the second one. I played my wedding, reception kind of thing, a party we had. So, yeah, I just took it around. And it would be honestly, the more it's the fun for me was, like, how excited everyone else gets. And it was just like, oh, my God, can we drink out of the cup?

The rules are, you know, during my party, and if I say it's okay, you can drink out of the cup, or you want to hoist it, I have to hand it to you. There's certain rules or whatever. But for me, so, yeah, we just had to basically went around, did some pictures that, you know, family and friends. I was went around a couple places in town. It's, you know, friends, places and stuff. And then just had a party. And then afterwards, I just hang out. And, you know, every time I just sit there, like the first time after I went to Colorado,

I went back to my, I was renting a, my wife, whatever, like a condo, whatever, in a building, you know, two-bedroom place or whatever. I just remember, like, going back and I sat at the kitchen table. and I just looked at the names. And that was like, that was the best part of it, you know, because you had a few beers, whatever, and everyone's still partying. And everyone's like, what are you doing?

I'm like, just, I told my wife, just everyone to leave me alone for a couple minutes. Like, why? She's like, well, he's looking at the name. So I was like, you know, I was going through all the years. And, I mean, there's just so many iconic players and Hall of Fame players. And so I just like looking through, like, you know, 70s and, you know, the Flyers and Montreal and Larry Robinson, all these great players.

And then you go to the 80s. You got the islands, you got Trache who coached me. It was a terrific man and, you know, bossy. And he had those four years and they had the Oilers. So I was like, okay, I grew up at Emerton, an oilist guy. Okay, who's on that team? Who's on that team? Okay, Pocklin then put his son or his wife's name on and they got exed out.

So you can see the ex out on the, they actually exed the name out on the cup. So just being able to see all the names over the years and you kind of look, it's pretty surreal. Like, Chris Engman, like, I'm going to be on this frigging thing, man. I'm going to be in the Hall of Fame. So that's what I try to do after just having a good time and playing the drums and just enjoying it. But like the first party was great because the cup guy.

And you think it's the best job ever? Like, oh, my God, I'd love to be the Cub guy. No, you don't. It's like it'd be like the hangover for a whole summer, that movie. Like you wake up like, Jesus Christ, you got to get on a plane, you go to the next point. You just go from party to party. And you're just, like, you know, you're dealing with drunk. A-holes. Because, you know what I mean? Like, it's, it's not the guy. It's like always a buddy or

someone else who's drunk and wants to do something. You got to tell him, no, no, no, no, no. You can't touch it. No, you can't pick it up. No, no, no, no, you know what I mean? And you do it, rinse and repeat. And, you know, you can go to bed at two. I remember the cup guy saying, like, okay, I can stay at your place or I can stay at the hotel. And I'm like, I got a place you know, I got an extra bedroom. He's like, okay, I'm going to bed. He's like, but if you're going to go anywhere, wake me up. Like, just, okay, don't take it anywhere. You're allowed to have it, you know, whatever. get in the morning. It was like, okay, perfect. So you think it's the best job and it's like,

you know, all you do is go for party, party. But anyways, my first, uh, my first party, we had to, I had to rent a room with the Royal Gronora, which is like a, uh, like a country club, I guess, or whatever he called here, like a tennis club and stuff. And so he's got, like, he's, he puts, you know, he gets the jacket and they have the jacket and the white gloves and when they handle it, right? So he's like, he's getting in and I was like, yeah, listen, it's like pretty casual, man. You don't need to bring a suit jacket or whatever. Just going to wear a T-shirt and stuff.

He's like, no, no, I'll just bring it just in case. He was the younger guy. I forget it. It's not the main guys you see on TV all the time. It's one of the other guys. And a nice guy, but his job, he was a teacher. So during the winter, he was a teacher. And then the summer, he was, like, the cup guy.

So, like, he just wheel around. So I never forget, so I'm up, and I'm playing the drums. And they had, like, so in the corner, like, we had a little setup where the cup was on a table with black tablecloth underneath. and, you know, like light over it. So it's like, you know, who here it is. Like, anyways, so I'm playing drums. I look over.

And my buddy, who's a lawyer now, he's got the jacket and the white gloves on. He's taking a picture. So he's got his arm like this. And he's taking a picture with the hockey hall of fame jacket and the white gloves. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is going to be a good party because the guy was outside, having a beer or something. And, you know, he was single. So he was trying to hit on some girls or something.

So I was like, this is going to be a good party. So anyway. Yeah, just enjoyed it with, you know what, just enjoyed it with family and friends. And yeah, again, at the end of the night, I always tried to just take it and soak it in. It's as a cool trophy and there's so much history behind it. I mean, you do so many fun things like it's been in pools and, you know, people drank out of it, you know, whatever and stuff. But it's just like part of the beauty is if you look at it up close, it's beat up, like it's dented. It's warped.

It's, you know, it's been around. for, you know, 100 years or whatever. That's the history of it, though. That's what's beautiful about it, right? It's the amount of history on the cup. Well, and again, you don't know why it will exist until something happens. Well, there's a reason why they have a cup guy

because, like, there were stories in New York where Satekenon left in the cab or Mark Messia, they went missing for, like, a couple of hours. Like, some, God, who's telling me that story? My name's Steve Smith or someone was telling the story where they went missing for like two hours and it was like in the subway or something. So they're like freak it out.

They're like, I think it's in like, you know, car 52 or something. So like they were scramed around China planet. So after that there was, all of a sudden there was a cup guy because it went missing a couple times. So, yeah. There's so many stories you've heard of

and, you know, I have stories and nothing. Like nothing super crazy. Just, you know, that's why there's a cup guy because it went missing. So now there's poor guys. got to travel around. It's great. It's like, you know, but you just go from party to party and get on you know, you got to put in the, you know, you get up next day. Like I remember the guy put in the shower, cleaned it down and then, you know, buffed it all up, made it look good, put in the case.

And then he went to, uh, where do you go to? I don't know, like, he would Steve Ryan practice after. And then Tampa he went to, uh, Daryl Sador's. So like you just get up, rinse for a peeing your party after party and, oh, imagine the job, man. Imagine the stories he could tell. He probably had to sign away his life to ensure he never tells any stories. Oh, yeah, like the Mike, well, so the one of the head guy is Mike Bolt. He was like, he was with us. We were in Colorado. And it was weird because we went for dinner and a bunch of guys went out of town or something.

So it was like myself and my wife and then Stefaniel and his wife and then Dave Reed. And then a couple other people. When everyone went home, there was like four of them. There's just the four of us. And then some other friends were downtown. Denver and we're on the patio and I'm doing this like hitter was like cheering so we go across from like one bar to the other and then I just get converged on like 200 people like we're on the street and like literally like just came flocking in like the cup guy got knocked on his ass

like someone else got knocked over and I'm like this like and I didn't go down so I was really proud of myself and then like I get pushed in this other bar and all of a sudden there's all these cops and they're like yeah we'll take care of whatever you want but can I get a Polaroid I'm like, sure, no problem. But the guy still tell, every time I see him, he's like, I still remember that time in Denver. Like, I thought for sure you're going to drop the cup, and you never did.

And I'm like, there's no way I'm dropping it. There's no chance because there's been guys I played with where, like, their girlfriend or fiancee knocked it over by accident. So you didn't hear that story? You're like, I'm not going to be that guy. That guys are like, oh, my God, you hear you're going to sell and so, you hear a dinger drop this or whatever. I'm like, not that guy.

So every time I see him, it's crazy. Like, oh, my guy, I still. tell that story, man. I can't believe you didn't fall down because I was just like hanging on your dear life and I wasn't dropping it, none of my watch. I was talking away before he came here. You mentioned it, drumming. And he told me you got to drum for girth Brooks. Is that true? Yeah. How do you pull up drumming for Garth Brooks? Always got his charity teammates for kids and it started with a charity softball game and 99 in Denver. And then, so he has a weekend every year for the athletes to contribute to his foundation.

And he was retired. He wasn't touring for like 10 years there or whatever. So him and Trisha Earwood. And so he'd have a weekend and he'd play. They started alternating where like the one year would be him and his whole band. The next year would just be him playing the acoustic guitar. So we've been going for a few years and we won. And like the one year after Denver, like Sean Poudin was like giving her own a good game,

like smacked him on the eye. a good game and he did it to Garth and did it to Trisha. I thought her head was going to explode, but I just kind of laughed because it was like, and Garf was like, his, Scott Zebedo was the head of his foundation. He would say like, we're the only guys like he'd like have a beer with.

So he'd actually have a couple beers those because he's always got to be on top and you know, on top of his game and talk, whatever. But anyways, we go to this charity for a few years and then the head of the foundation so they'd get guys to get up and play So Sean Burke, Berwick, he's a really good guitar. So he got to play guitar, the one you had heard about it.

So the guy's like, oh, you know, dinger, I hear you play drums. I said, yeah, he goes, you know, I want to play. And I said, I don't care, sure, whatever. So we're at the pre-party night for the live auction event, and then he goes, I play some concert after. So he said, I feel his arms around me like, dingers at you. I turn around Scarf Brooks. I'm like, holy crap, man.

He's like, I hear you play drums? I'm like, yeah. And he goes, you want to get and play tomorrow? I was like, absolutely. I'm like, sure, if you want me to do? So he's like, all right, come down to sound check tomorrow and we'll see what you can do kind of, see if you can play. So sound check was at two and God, I didn't get home to like 11 in the morning

because I was freaking gambling, which is good because I was still probably had a little buzz going. So I go down on the sound check and I'm not on the list. So I'm like, hey, Chris Engman, I'm sorry, you're on the list. And he said, call him at Caesar, so this place is like, you know, Fort Knox, whatever. And so I lost my phone. I left my phone a cab the week before.

So I had no phone, so I got to go all the way, like, through the lobby. It's huge pass, 36 floors, up called Scott Zebadoves. And like, hey, Zebs, man, like, I'm supposed to be a sound check, whatever, and it won't let me in. And the name's on unless she's like, I don't worry about go back down. So I go all the way back down, 37 floor, blah, blah, blah, through the lobby. Same guy. Hey, Chris Dayman, no, sure, no problem, go right in.

I'm like, here, Dick. Like, Jesus, I never do it. But that was the one time, like, I'm a hockey player and part of his foundation. The guys, like, I don't care. And I go right back down 10 minutes later, right? or whatever it was. Oh, yeah, sure, no problem. So anyways, so I go in and, like, they're done.

So Garf standing around talking with the band, and they're done. I'm like, oh, my God, I look like an asshole. So I was like, oh, my God, Garth, I'm so sorry. You know, this place is like, poor Knox. He wouldn't let me in or whatever. He's like, oh, don't worry about it. It's like, looks at the band. He's like, oh, you guys mind if we play a couple more songs, do you?

And, like, what are they going to say, no? So, it's hard broke, right? So he's like, can you really play? I'm like, yeah, you know? So I just, like, you know, start playing. where do, you know, whatever. So he's like, all right, you know, he's like, you know that song that summer. I'm like, yeah, absolutely.

He was like, take it from the top. I never played in my life. But I can listen to music and I can read sheet music a little bit, but I can listen and play stuff. I can have an ear, I guess. So, yeah, he's like, take it from the top. So he wants to say that, you know, I would work for that summer. So I play the song and it's, you know, basic two, four and whatever.

And so I play it and he's like, okay, you know, we finish the song. song. He was like, I want to do the ending a little differently. Take it from the third last part. I'm like, whoa, what do you mean? He's like, he just wanted whatever. I'm like, no problem. So, yeah, play it. He's like, you want to get and play tonight? I'm like, sure. Yeah, if you want me to do them. They're like, okay. So yeah, go up and play with him then. But he didn't tell me when he was calling me up. And so we had to do live auction stuff and shit before. Were you shit in bricks or no? Oh, yeah, man. I must have like, I must have took a week like 50 times. I was so nervous. Like, because I, I,

can get up and play like I get out you know I can have a bunch of beers I could get up in any bar and play pretty much any you know rock song or whatever no problem because I just I do it all the time like just you know play some Molly crew song or poison here your bonner you whatever but I mean it's just Gar-Brux this is Garth fucking Brooks yeah people are paying like 1500 dollars in tickets to call us name at Caesar so yeah I was having a few drinks of this because I was so freaking nervous my wife's like just don't drink too much remember what happens when you drink because I can drink a fair amount and still play well, but there was a certain, there was one year, I was at a charity golf tournament, and I'd had a few too many before I got on stage, and I was playing

summer 69. I just couldn't get the beat. It was just a, and then I played knocking on heaven's door, no problem after, but I just couldn't, whatever. Anyways, so yeah, she's like, just don't, you know, whatever. So I had to have a few because I was so friggin' nervous, but, God, I must want to the bathroom like 50 times. It wasn't even fun. Like it was fun when I did it, but like I didn't enjoy the evening. Like he still starts the concert and he's playing like, you know, much too young and feels damn old and friends will play, whatever. And I'm not even listening. I'm just like, oh, a couple of coffee. It's like it was like, so for me, like to play a song, uh, like I just have to know how I'm getting into the song basically, you know, hear it. And then once you get into the song,

you're playing it's like for me it's no problem so yeah i did i was just yeah so once i like you know he calls me out he starts talking joking around i have it on video it's great it's pretty cool so i play whatever so like so i go up and i play uh we play so we play so we're gonna do this little bluesy rock champ so i just start playing and then everyone does a soul like a keyboard is guitarist and then so after that everyone's like oh wow this guy can actually play and so he's like garrs really good he's a showman or whatever and he goes well that's pretty good but, you know, can you play a Garf Brooks song? And then, you know, it wouldn't work for that.

So I'm not going to sing it because I'm not a very good singer. But so we play a song and I still screwed the ending up because you wanted to do something like do, dun, dun, dun, dun, or something. So I do this. I'm like, brr, whatever, you know, I may it last as long as I could. You know, like songs might at the end, they're like, you know, everyone's doing the fill. So anyways, I finish it.

And the drummer comes over. I was like, thanks, man. me like the double way. I was like, thank you very much, whatever. And I went over to Garf Brooks, I wouldn't shake his hand, he gave me his big hug. And I was like, and I whispered in his ears like, oh my God, that was epic awesome.

And he was like, yeah, man, it was awesome, whatever. And I was like, ah. So I walked off through the crowd. And it was like Barry Mulrose and Steve Levy and all these famous people and shit. I was like, oh, my God, my wife was pregnant with my second child. And I was like, oh, my God, if I die tonight, it's been a good run, like two cups.

play drums with Garf Brooks in Vegas so yeah I was good it was a great experience and oh just glad I didn't screw it up I almost did there was there was one part of the song when I started to do a fill and then the guy the guitarist was like because I said a guitar is just kind of like give me a nod or signal when I'm like you're going to change into a difference whatever or when something's you know because it was like the song and she had a need to feel the thund uh-d-d-d-d-d-do you know so I started doing this fill and the guy turned look at me, went, no, no, no. I was like, okay.

So I almost did screw up once, but I did pretty good, so I can say. One other thing I got to ask about a famous singer is Celine Dion. I've heard mention of it by you a couple of times going to the Pepsi Center, I think, for a Celine Dion concert. Is there a story behind that? Yeah, it was the first events at the Pepsi Center. And so we had a weekend off, so I'm like, so what my wife would do, she'd go to school for half the hearing and they come down and live me and um so i'm like oh what are we doing like you know guys

what are we going to do you know everyone's like fun everyone's going to a freaking selen dion concert and she's a talented musician and singer but you know i'm like a slept dot metallic uh you know molly crew whatever i'm a metal guy not not selene dion my heart yeah yeah so i mean i appreciate her talent or effort but um yeah not so much so anyways uh you know So like guys are all going to the show. I find out like Jerry's having a party before. I'm like, oh, my God. So like Charlotte Graham, she was a secretary, super nice lady.

I was like, Charlotte, you think I could get a ticket please? And she's like, oh, yeah, sure, shouldn't be a problem. So I get a ticket. So I'm like just one ticket for me. And it's front row. So I got a single ticket front row for Slendian. Like, shoot me in the face. Jesus Christ.

I don't even want to go, and I'm like, and they had the front of the bow of the Titanic. Because, you know, near fire where it? I'm like, I'm puking to my mouth just thinking about this. It's like, I'm going to be like doing this. So I'm like, we're going to stand up and look at her and wave. Like, Christ, she's like, run me over at the Titanic. So I'm like, oh, God. So we go into a jury's place before him.

And I'm like, Jesus Christ, man. I can't sit there by myself. I'm like, what a loser. I'm going to go a little slender yard concert by myself and sit in the front row. like, I went double-fisted and just trying not to puke. So, yeah, so Adam Foot, he's, so Larry Walker and Mike Lansing, a couple of the Rockies guys. So Larry Walker is a great guy and he was a big hockey fan.

I was a Canadian guy. And he'd come to all our games, so him and Adam Foot were a buddy. So Adam Foot goes, well, hey, just, I'm going to be up and Wax's box. I'm like, who he's like, Larry Walker? And I'm like, you'd be Larry Walker's box? Like, oh, Jesus Christ, really? He's like, yeah, just come up there, no problem. I'm like, for real?

He's like, yeah. I was like, oh, God, thank God. You know, this is Metallica. I'm going by myself. I don't give you shit or banterra or whatever. So anyways, yeah. So I just went and end up going in Larry Walker's box, and Adam Foote wasn't even there.

So security lady took me. One of security people took me up there and I walked in. And then putty's not even in there. So it looked like an A-hole. And I'm like, if Larry Walker turns around, I'm like, excuse me, Mr. Walker. Is Adam here? He told me to come here.

like, oh, no problem, ding her. It comes down. You want a beer? And I was like, sure. So I got to hang out up Larry Walker, drink Coors original. So, and listen to my heart will go on. So it made it bearable. Let's just say that. So, yeah, that was my Selindion story. Front row. I gave up a front row seat to Slendion, but I think I'll, I think it'll be okay. Well, let's move into our final. I feel like I could probably do this for about 10 hours. But I'll let, I'll let you back to your wife and children after the crewmaster final five we have a little segment here at the end so a huge shout out to heath and tracy macdonald who helped support the podcast uh just five quick questions and then we'll let you on your way so the first one is which tough guy was the best to go

for beers with afterwards Sean Thornton god is great miners it was great 30 and where would you guys go where would you go sit and have beers that? I don't know. It's in St. John's. So whatever that street is, that one street, we go to one of those. George Street. Yeah, there you go, George Street. Yeah. So authority was always good. Good to chat with after. So, yeah, there's my guy. Which Stanley Cup team partied harder? Harder? Yeah. Tampa. Well, yeah, I don't know. Colorado, we had a lot of days off so we'd always go in a few but yeah probably Tampa I'd say uh yeah we we had a good time uh we go on the road and play guilty and whatever and yeah so I'd say I'd say Tampa but when you

win man you you you party a lot so you see with an old vetch kid my Christ I when he was when he came in the OSHA I was like that's awesome I love that because God amen like I went in Tampa But we won and then I had to have my stag, stay again in Vegas. So I had to go to Vegas for three days. God, I was going to have a heart attack. I was like my heart was going 100 miles an hour. The room at 60 and I was sweating my ass off. And I got back.

And then Bill Wicked, he was like, hey, you want to go to New York? And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, well, like you remember TRL and VH1? You know, like the Total Quest Live, the Carson Daly, whatever? He's like, yeah, Vinny was supposed to go. Vinnie the Calvillia supposed to go with Brad Richards and Richie, Vinny can't go and he want to go. I was like, I just

watched Major League the other day. Remember when they asked the manager like, hey, what do you think about managing Indians? I don't know. I got to go out there and a lot of some firewalls. I got to think about it. So we watched out with the kids and I was like reciting a word for and that's what kind of what I was like

to say, hey, you want to go to New York? I was like, ah, Wick, I don't know, man. I'm tired. I don't know. I don't know, man. I just been partly He was like 10 days a row. I'm dying, man. He needed to be off. And he was like, well, the NHL will pay for your hotel.

And your first last seat for you in Chelsea. You could have the cup for the night in New York. I was like, okay, I can probably do it. So I ended up having a good night in New York with the cup. But anyway, so, yeah, there you go. On a side note, did you go to the White House both times? Neither time. Neither time.

No, lockout, after 04 was the lockout, and then 2001 I got traded to Carolina. So 0 for two, but I have been to the White House. I've been underneath and I've seen the bowling alley. Duane Rolson had a buddy who was like Secret Service or something. So I have been to the lighthouse, but yeah, I never did the presentation or whatever I want to call up. No kidding. O' for two, man. If you could pick your line mates, who would you take?

Like, guys I played with or all time? I'll let you decide. Please. Tough one. It would be Wayne Gretzky. I don't know. I know if I could pick two. That'd be tough.

Like Foresburg, any combination of Foresburg, Wayne Gretzky and Sackick. I think it's just But I like to, you know what, I like to throw in like, like even Probert. Like if I could have someone like, if Wayne Gretzky could center me and Probert,

that'd be good because then he could like, you know, kick the crap out of people. And I can be the one run around telling people to go rough themselves because I had Proby behind it. It's always nice to have someone tougher. So there you go. It's got my, there you go. That'll be my line.

That's my line. Yeah. I'll play right wing. Yeah, I'll play right wing. Yeah, probie, he could go for a chance. I can scare the bejesus out of everyone. I can stand in the slot and take one teeth. You were traded three times in your career.

If you were to be traded a fourth and could have one guy go with you, who would have been the guy you'd taken? Four time. Man, so many good options. I'd say, Andrew, well, just because, man, that guy's buddy. Oh, how so? How so? Oh, my God.

You ever watch him? He's on RDS. He's got a show. Oh, he's a beauty. He's just, I don't know, just get him on. Get him on. You'll find out. We did Zoom calls, and, God, we were doing a Zoom call with the O-4 team.

And Christ, he had 10 different outfits. He'd go, leave, come back. He had an Army outfit on, and he had something. He's a beauty. He's just, yeah. So probably, you have just for sure, Tabor Valley. Like, we had a game where the owner came in, Dave, Mr. Davidson, he's passed a,

way now, but he was got to own, like, the pistons and us and the WNBA team. And so he came to a game and he met everyone and then we got pounded. So Torts was pissed. It's like saying, when I ran the freaking owner and the fucking jester room before the game, I don't give a shit and whatever, blah, blah, blah. So then the next day, Wazi was talking with Spitav, a couple of Russians about getting the Russian national anthem. So he brought practice.

And one brings it in. And so he puts it on. the sound system or whatever and he's sitting there like more needy ball jizum all ba and like it's like blaring through the whole torts comes in

and just loses it opens the thing out and grabs the CD fucking snaps it now turn that shit on whatever and like he's like Andre's like well it's a problem man and like

so in the practice one of the you know the advertisements on the boards. Well, it used to be the stick on. Now they have the electronic ones, mostly, but they had, you know, they had

the stick on ones. Well, one came loose. I mean, that guy, same practice, you put the, like, put it on his jersey as a cape, so I just came around off the thing. Dorses, like, what the, like, what's this problem, man? I'm like, wazzy, we just got pounded in the hole, man. Like, you can't be,

he's like, why? We can't have fun. I'm like, I don't know. When the orders of town, we get pounded five, one, or whatever, and you know, I don't think it's the best, best choice to play the Russian national. I'm full more next practice. So anyway, I go quasi. Your final one.

You mentioned playing guilty. Now, my playing guilty or most people's playing guilty stories can't even probably rival anything in the NHL. What is your best playing guilty story that you can share? Well, never really. Nothing bad, I think.

there was one where I fought Chris Simon in New York and we were out and God, it was just just like in warm up like God, just feel good, you know, keep it simple. And then he cross-checked fed a take on the head, so I got to fight him and like, he said no the first time and then second time. That was one, I don't know if he's saying it, but like he just starts throwing and I throw a couple and I'd like throw him into the bench and I was like, thank God I made through that one. So and then, uh, was it weird tap, we, uh, um, for the game, we went to Kaylee.

or something. And it wasn't like bad, bad, uh, playing guilty. But so Landry took his, his credit card down and, uh, all of a sudden he gets, like, we get the bill and it's like 1,500 bucks or something. I'd paid for my own, everyone paid for them stuff. There's like 50 Appletinis on there, like 100 beers. And so they, like, the bartender was like, you know,

pad and his bill, I guess he'd say. And, uh, so Tim Taylor was like, we're not paying this as bullshit, whatever. And, um, so all of a sudden, the guy's like, okay, I'm with $7.50. And Dave's like, just paying like, Jesus, get out of here. And so we're playing hockey in Canada the next night. Excuse me.

And so we're having a good game, whatever. And so we had to win like 8-2 or something. And like Marty had a hat trick or whatever. But like during the game, like during a TV timeout, right across from the bench, this guy holds up this, like, big sign. Like, over his head that says, hey, under truck, pay your bar to have. And so we're sitting on the bench, and we're like, oh, my God, I don't know, Cotorci is.

I'm sitting next to like Andre and Tim Taylor, like, oh, my God, I hope he can't see that or whatever. So anyways, we won the game and they're handling. So it's a couple stories. Like, another bad, just stuff I got, like, oh, my God. Like, did he see it? Did he see it? And we're playing really well winning, so what's he, you know, going to say, well he can't do it because he played too well.

Like, so there's nothing, you know. You just go and have a few beers, whatever, sometimes. And it was just team bonding more than anything. It was just, you know, guys just hanging out and whatever. So, yeah, I did enjoy that when they came here. Like, hockey night and Canada. Jesus Christ, it's right across to the bench. So I did quite enjoy.

Oh, God. I don't know if Torts saw it or not, but maybe he did. I think he was good about stuff like that, too. He was very hard at training camp and stuff. And then he just, you know, you had to come in camp. been shaping he had to work hard and then during the season he wanted the guys to hang out so he was good like that so there you go there's a couple stories um you want to give a shout out to stout gloves probably you know you're talking to a lot of listeners in lloyd and area and uh that's a lot of oil

field agriculture people yeah sure stout gloves uh impact safety gloves cut resistant we got all different kinds, oil block. I was actually just in Lloyd last Thursday, or this past Thursday, whatever. So I get out there and saw my old, went for lunch with our mutual friend of ours, Jody Lehman, Tring Energy. So there's so many guys, yeah, so it's been great. So we got, yeah, stowgloves. We got the website, stowgloves.ca, and he can call that number. I think you, I think he goes through to me sometimes. I think he goes through to me all the time. So yeah, call the number on the website. I don't even know what it is.

It's like 877 something. And you can have a one-on-one chat with the big fella. Yeah, I'll tell you a story. Tell you what, I'll tell you. If you, I'll make a deal with people. If you buy like 50 pairs or more, I'll tell you a really good story. I didn't tell tonight. So there you go.

There's my sales. Oh, now I got to. Yeah, get off your wallet, man. Buy some bills. I was like, that was almost two hours. You got to, like, man, you're going to have, like, the longest podcast ever. You're a good story.

You're a good storyteller. I've been crying for half of it. But thanks, Chris, for hopping on. I really appreciate it. It's been a ton of fun. Yeah, no problem. Thanks for having me. Hey, folks.

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