Shaun Newman Podcast - #963 - Neil Oliver

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

Neil Oliver is a Scottish archaeologist, historian, author, broadcaster, and presenter best known for his work on BBC history and archaeology programs, most notably as the long-time face of the series Coast, where he explored Britain’s coastline and its historical significance. Since the COVID-19 pandemic, Oliver has gained a new and highly polarised public profile through his outspoken commentary—initially on GB News and later on his own podcast and YouTube channel—where he expresses strongly libertarian, anti-lockdown, anti-establishment, and scepticism-of-mainstream-narrative views on topics ranging from pandemic policies and vaccines to climate change, net zero, digital IDs, and global institutions such as the WHO and WEF.Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Prophet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] the code “SNP” on all ordersGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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I'm talking about Neil Oliver, so buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Neil Oliver. Neil, thanks for, thanks for hopping on. I am delighted. In the world in which we live, you know, where you feel increasingly, you know, know threatened by shutdown and cancellation and censorship, especially here in the UK, the opportunity to get a conversation out there is hugely appreciated. So thank you. Yeah, no, for sure. I know, like I was just saying, you know, before we started, in the middle of COVID, I ran into this guy named Neil Oliver and I was like, oh my goodness, this guy has it on the mark. But for those

of you, for those of the audience, maybe who don't know who you are, maybe we could just start there. a little bit of your background, and then we'll get into some of the things that are more current. Gosh, well, I suppose technically I started out as an archaeologist. Then I became a journalist, I re-trained and worked in local newspapers. Along the way, I stumbled into television. I used to do traditional broadcast television, making documentaries about history and archaeology, particularly about the British landscape, but not exclusively. I traveled widely around the world as well.

And then with the advent of the COVID scam and debacle, I felt it was unavoidable or irresistible to say something. I thought this is, after a few weeks of, you know, them talking about flattening the curve, saving the NHS, you know, all of the rest of it. I thought, this can't go on and I'm going to talk about it. And I did. And I found myself very quickly in stormy waters.

waters. Most all of the, over a period of, I don't know, just a few months, I ended up being dropped and finding people distancing themselves from me, people that I'd been friends for years, blocking me on social media, even writing hit pieces in newspapers about me, carried on regardless. I found it was this completely bizarre situation. I had been sort of waiting for, well, I didn't wait for long, really. I thought that the the people, I suppose, the silver backs of the media, you know, the big dogs would have put their voices out there and would have been in a position with their audiences to say something that might have altered the course of the narrative, but they didn't. On the contrary, they were singing from the government hymn sheet. I waited for other bigger voices than mine to say something and they didn't. And now four, four, five years later, you know, I'm just where I am, which is, I've met a whole number. new group of contacts. I don't regret a thing, but my world of before is largely gone, and I am in a brave new world. Before COVID, where you, you know, you had all these different documentaries. You got a ton of world perspective, I guess. You've traveled different places. You've seen, you know, and dug in lots of the different things in history. I think for a lot of us COVID opened her eyes to like a ton of stuff. Were your eyes open before that or were you no? Sean, I was a I was a dupe. I unknowingly had been drinking the Kool-Aid. I naively believed that

the state, if not the government, but I believe the state was there with my best interest at heart fundamentally and my family. I thought they were there to keep the lights on, the bins emptied the streets walkable and drivable you know law and order whatever but I believe regardless of their of their political you know different governments come and go but I thought basically they're there to you know to keep the country up and running I don't think that anymore so but and I make I do not hide the fact that I was taken in I'm 58 and for the first well 53 years of my life I see now that I was just taken in I trusted I trusted I

broadly I've never been a political animal. I've never been a card-carrying member of a political party. I used to struggle to vote. I think when it comes to general elections, the things that give us a government every four or five years, I probably only voted in less than half of those. I didn't care, which is not a good thing. I used to vote for whatever.

I used to go into the election and think, who am I going to vote for? you know, it was always a kind of a picking the least worst option for me. So I was never engaged with it. And I suppose the most I could say in my own defence was that I was preoccupied with my own stuff. I was doing my thing. I was when it happened, you know, I was making my television programs. I was writing my books.

I was interested in my subjects. And God help me and God forgive me. I didn't pay attention. I didn't see what was going on. I didn't see the false flags. I didn't see all of the things that were being done. I do now, and everyone says it. It's this revelatory process that you go through of thinking.

It's like picking it a thread. You know, you look at a tapestry, and it's a picture that makes sense. You see a loose thread one day, you pull it, before you know where you are, the whole thing just unravels. And that's what's happened for me. And I'm still, people talk about, you know, like grieving as a sort of a five-stage process of, you know, disbelief and denial and anger and whatever and deal-making and all of the rest of it that you go through before you

finally accept what has happened. I'm still in the process, really. I don't claim to have it all, you know, understood. I don't claim to know everything that's going on. I look on at what's happening with whatever's going on, you know, war in Ukraine, Gaza, the Charlie Kirk event, I look on at it and I don't claim to now be able, I haven't suddenly put on these magic x-ray specs and I can see through it all, but I'm just

desperately trying to pay attention. Yeah, well, I can say on this side to make you feel a little bit better about yourself, although I'm a little younger than you. I have podcasts. I went back and listened to it. This is episode 960

something, and if I go back to when I first started broaching the COVID subject. It was episode like 200, maybe even a bit before that. And I had on a constitutional lawyer and I remember telling her like, government can't be that bad. And she basically said, I wouldn't have a job if they weren't. They're going to step across the line over and over and over again. And I'm there among others to make sure we hold them to account for doing that. And I remember thinking, I can't be that bad. Like I just, you can't be. I was, I was trusting. I just didn't think there was anything nefarious about what was going on. Can I ask you,

When did you start your podcast and why did you get into this realm? Because I started a podcast for me, I don't even know what it was four or five years ago. I did it in lockdown, started it with a friend. But why did you, what happened to you? So I started mine in 2019 and I built it, you know, like I say this all the time, very humble beginnings. My first four podcasts were a good friend of mine. Ken came on from her book club.

We'd started a book club in 2018 and a very humble idea. But now as the world grows, I think it was a very smart idea. And it was to become better husbands, better fathers. That was to read and just to push the five of us to, you know, do better in our lives. And out of that, out of that came this idea of, I'd always want to be on radio. I always got told, don't do that. I played hockey growing up. And I always, as a hockey player, you got.

put on the radio shows and so I go on them and I'm like man I I like this and then they'd be like you're pretty good at this and so then I when I came back from playing hockey all over the place um I tried broaching it and everyone said don't do it so I didn't I went in the oil field started working a good job you know I got no uh the oil and gas industry back here in Alberta is is phenomenal and it just left this I don't know like I like is this all life is you're going to go out and so in 2019 i started a podcast and the first four guests were one of the guys from the book club who's still irritated to this day that i recorded it and put it out because he thought we're just sitting down to test mics and then the the second one my guest backed out on me it was

my father stepped in and i always say dad's always answered the call i called him as if a guest backed out would you come on the third one i got told you could never have anyone my sound guy so you can't just interview anyone so i'll interview whoever the hell i want and i put him on and the fourth was my three older brothers and we argued about sports and so uh you know over the course of the first hundred episodes just it just slowly uh progressed i made a ton of mistakes and and i um you know like i think i assume but forgive me neal if you don't know who don cherry is but don cherry came on and that's like a cultural icon here and that was a huge moment of like holy crap but at that point you know we're into 2020 and i'm sitting there going somebody's going to talk about this like somebody's going to talk

about this. We're meeting in, you know, in community halls and everything, and I'm sitting there, and we're starting to bring in different doctors and lawyers to talk to us, what's going on. And I finally made the choice. I'm like, I have a podcast. I could just start talking to these people. And after about the fourth or fifth doctor I had on, he yelled at me for a while and told me I couldn't two-step this issue. And I said, all right, I'm not going to talk any more sports until we're out of COVID. I didn't know what I was agreeing to. And that sent me on, now we're 700 and some episodes since then and I just haven't looked back and so I I don't know it's been a PhD in pulling on the thread as you say you pull on it and then you just you're like what is it no that it just stop it just stop it just stop and there's moments where I'm like can I just put the thread back in and but you can just see it everywhere and COVID you know here in Canada got to insane levels and then um you know with the podcast, I went to Ottawa for the Freedom Convoy, got to ride in part of the Freedom

Convoy. And it's just a moment in time, I will never forget. Canada broke my heart. You know, I mean, I, my family, you know, I've got cousins and people that emigrated to Canada from Scotland in the way that half the population of Scotland did over the years. And so we always had a loose connection to Canada. And whenever anything about Canada would happen, you know, pay attention to it. Sure. And for me, growing up, my life, Canada was this free, liberal, in the traditional sense of the word, we all used to mean by liberal, wide open spaces, opportunity, community, that's how it seemed to me. It's like, oh, it must be great. You know, imagine living, it's like a kind of a Scotland only about a thousand times

the size. It must be great. And then when it happened in Canada, you know, the thing with the truckers was just heartbreaking. And then the, obviously, I'm preaching to the quiet. you know, the insanity that then ensued, you know, I've been a fairly regular correspondent for David Craden, you know, and we've, you know, chewed the fat about what's been happening. And it can't, it breaks my heart. Well, I tell you what, the truckers going there was, I think, for a lot of Canadians, the first time they were, in our lifetime, I mean, if you go back to older generations, there's different times where they're proud of a flag. But it's, it's, probably the first time i've seen so many canadian flags been proud of it like other than and i

always say this you know like other than when we're at the olympics and the hockey team wins right like that's every four years which is kind of traditional yeah they come they win crosby scores a goal or whoever mac david and everybody waves their canadian flag and they're super pumped and then we wait four years to be proud of it again and in that moment i think the canadian flag well i'm looking at it right now right like the canadian flag just meant you know it really brought people together and you know it was just this beautiful moment and it really exposed the narrative for what it was right because they demonized everything all insurrectionists and Nazis and all the words they could throw and it was just it was something here in canada and it really exposed what was uh what was

happening to our country yeah yeah the thing the thing the thing i think that's almost existential really. I mean, the same thing's, well, not the same thing, but, you know, Britain is dissolving in front of me, you know, like an aspirin dropped into a glass of water. And it's almost gone, except, you know, like the, the events in Canada revealed who the Canadians still are. Because God knows, I get messages from and letters from, and I'm in communication with lots of people that I've met over the last four or five years. as I am with people in, you know, the USA and people, you know, all over Europe and all over the place, you know, my world has, you know, it simultaneously went small and then, you know, it expanded like a puff ball, you know, overnight, suddenly I was speaking to people all over the place and, you know, you think Canada, you know, Mark Carney and all of the rest of it, in a certain, in a certain way it's gone, the Canada that I was, that I took for granted, but in a fundamental sense, you think now, no, it's actually. actually, it's just been, it's just had its, it's like flesh and nerves and the bones exposed

and it's, you know, it's angry and it's hurt, but it's still there. And I mean, I feel that Britain at the moment, the Britain I took for granted, it's gone. But there's a, there's a strong underground river of British that's, that's still there. You know, because, you know, sometimes rivers, you know, sometimes there's a drought and the river dries up, but the potential for the is still there and you know I think that's true of a lot of places all over the world well I wanted to I'm still there I wanted to ask you about Britain because like in the last couple weeks maybe it's even less than that you know like I just literally this morning as I woke up I had a news story text me of the guy arrested for shooting guns in the US posting it

on LinkedIn coming back to to Britain and getting arrested for that and I'm like this is wild and then Tucker Carlson had Pierre on Morgan and I listened to it. I thought it was like it's just like a ridiculous. Pierre. Yeah, sorry, thank you. Yes, yes, yes. Well, it's almost a ridiculous chat, you know,

because Tucker's trying to get him to say the word. And normally I wouldn't say the word, but he's trying to get him to say the word bag it and he won't say it. And he's like, why wouldn't you say it? You worried about getting arrested? He's like, no, we're not that bad. Look at how beautiful it is. And then you read the stories here like,

I think there's more to this story. And I was curious your thoughts. You know, you go from the micro to the macro. Yeah, there's more stories like that. You know, you're talking about the guy with having the temerity to have his photograph to take him or the shotgun or whatever it was on his shoulder and posting about it on social media. There are countless.

I mean, there's people been arrested and jailed every week, every month in Britain for stuff they're putting up on social media. And they are, from time to time, having longer sentences, harder sentences handed down to them for things they've posted on Facebook, for example, than people who've taken part in the gang rape of children. It's absolutely bizarre, surreal beyond belief. And so it's not just, it's difficult to maintain the necessary and appropriate anger about every single one, because it's time after time, after time, after time this is happening. It's just become, you know, it's dangerously close to get normalized that people just take for granted that your neighbor might get, you know, get cuffed and put in the back of a police car and taken away because of something that they've put up on social media. I, you know, I've crossed the rubricon now, you know, I now feel, I think and say that Britain is an occupied country and the occupying force is the government, and the government is not operating on behalf of the British people. It's operating against, determinedly against the British people. You know, we've just had a budget.

You know, the Chancellor of Exchequer just stood up in her hind legs in Parliament and read out the budget, you know, where she's continuing with what is clearly a dedicated program of impoverishing people, of seeking to, you know, whatever people have left, they're coming after that as well. Because the objective is to create an impoverished, dependent, fat, unhealthy, demoralized population that sooner or later will just accept. they think digital ID, central bank digital currencies, total surveillance, universal basic income, you know, that is what they're working towards. There's something like if you're a, if you're a

people, if it's a household on minimum wage, which is the reality for you know, millions of people, you are 18,000 pounds, British pounds a year worse off than a family on welfare with three kids, signing up to the available benefits. A working, a family would have to be on 71,000 pounds a year to be on par with an unemployed family on taking the full portion of benefits that you can sign up to in Britain. So they're dedicatedly making it pointless to be aspirational,

pointless to work, below a certain level, which is the level that's the reality for a huge chunk of the population. And the censorship, you know, we've got the, you know, we've got a trial that's shortly to be up underway using puberty blocking drugs on kids as young as 10, you know, for the, because of the trans, the trans agenda, you name it, we've got it going on here. We've got uncontrolled, it's not uncontrolled immigration. There are no borders. and people, you know, outsiders, I don't mean that pejoratively.

I mean, people are on the move for all sorts of reasons. You know, the West has spent generations bombing places into rubble in the Middle East and all over the place. And certainly in the last 30 years, everything since 9-11 and Afghanistan and Iraq and everything. People have had their places shattered and they're on the move and a lot of them are coming here. But they're being brought in to change the demographic of Britain. The demographic of Britain has changed faster and to a greater extent than anywhere else in the world, you know, in living memory. The impact of uncontrolled arrival of new people from elsewhere is radically fundamentally altering the demographic fabric of Britain.

Now, you can say that's a good thing or you can say it's a bad thing, but it's just a demonstrable, observable fact. But I say again, what we call a government in this country is an enemy force. We are occupied by an enemy force that is dedicated to the demoralization, the impoverishment, and the destruction of Britain. Is there any, because I assume the British are very similar to Canadians. Maybe I'm wrong in that. But there's a plightness. There's a lot of different things that make them this, like, well-mannered group of people. But underneath that, there's the stories of like the Brits being fierce warriors,

and fears like they're not uh i guess i just curious like is there any like i feel like the videos i see that some of the stories i see there's immense pushback on this or is that just it's a difficult one yeah it's difficult to call you know because people evoke uh uh behavior of the past and you know people will talk about whatever the blitz spirit and they'll talk about you know during World War II, where the people pooled together. And you go back further. You know, people will invoke legends out of the past. And of course, the population that's alive today is not them.

And the population alive today have lived differently. And there has been an ongoing, enervating, weakening process over generations that has produced the generation that is there now. It remains to be seen just how much, you know, blood and guts, knock-down, drag-out determination is there. I'm not saying it's not there, but just because Britons were Warrior Creed in the past, you can't take it for granted that they still are

because we've been up against all of the same things that's been happening all over the Western world. You know, people have been, you know, You know, the male has been emasculated. You know, maleness was demonized. You know, people have been feminized. Men have been feminized. All sorts of efforts have been made to undermine the nuclear family,

to undermine community. You're to persuade the generations coming up that British history is shameful, that we were a colonialist, imperialist entity that did nothing but harm around the world. You know, you've got two or three generations that have come up through the so-called education system being brainwashed with that. It's very difficult to call exactly at what point, you know, if or when people will say enough, you know, and I'm not saying the potential is not there. I mean, another thing that's crucial that's happened here and is happening. Now, is jury trial is basically going away. Less than 1% of cases that come to a court in Britain, less than 1%

go before a jury in the traditional fashion anyway. But now the policy that's been brought in by this sitting government is that it goes completely for anything but will murder and rape. Those will be the only categories of offence that might go before a jury. Everything else will be dealt with by a judge. No question. So Britain, after Magna Carta, 12,

of 15, 800 years of the right to trial by jury, a principle, a founding principle of law that has been exported around the world to Canada, to Australia, it's all over the place, you know, the founding fathers took it with them to, you know, to the United States of America, wrote it into the Constitution and all of the rest of it. But it's not there, which means, and not enough people are paying attention to it, it means that the administration that's in Westminster now, it writes the law, it just writes a law, it passes it itself, it then employs the police that arrest people on the basis of that legislation, whatever it is. It brings them before a court which is presided over not by a jury of

their peers, not with people that are like them and understand them and empathize with them and are independent in the way that a jury is supposed to be. The case will be judged there and then by a judge, so-called, who's employed by the state. He's employed by the same entity that created the legislation. That judge decides guilt or innocence and then imposes the penalty. That's the new reality for the people of Britain. Any country, any population that does not have the final say on the justice of its legislation, which is made manifest by being brought before a jury and the jury says regardless of everything but their own consciences whether or not they think somebody is is innocent or guilty without that safeguard that ancient right you're living in a dictatorship

the people of britain went to bed one night living in a one sort of country and they've now woken up in a dictatorship textbook there's no there's no dispute we now live in a dictatorship And, and, you know, where is the indignation? You know, where are the flaming torches and the pitchforks on the street demanding, you know, retribution? Hasn't happened yet. So, you know, I think, I think what's happening, I would like, I do genuinely, I say, I can say this hand on heart. I think the, the powers that not to be have, They went for it with the COVID debacle.

They decided to put their foot on the accelerator pedal at that point to see what they could get away with and they've got away with a hell of a law. I don't think they thought for a minute that the people would just quietly go to their homes and stay there and line up by the millions to take the injectables. It's now demonstrated in the case of killing people,

have killed people. But I don't think they necessarily thought that the people were quite as submissive as they as they proved to be and not just in britain all over you know all over the place this the same pattern unfolding however that being said they have they have simultaneously revealed themselves for what they are these administrations you know which is that they're in service to not their people they've got no they've got the opposite of any kind of interest in the welfare and well-being of their people they are serving essentially one world government some

star chamber somewhere that's calling the shots. And those shots are being made manifest in Britain, in Canada, in Australia, in New Zealand, in the United States of America, and, you know, in other places all over the world, beside. And that's what they're going for is to try and get totalitarianism into place. But they have exposed themselves completely. And many, many people, I think enough people now see what's going on. And the, you know, the mask, the, mask is off. It's like that bit in a movie. You know, there's a classic format where, you know, someone's been, you know, it's been kidnapped or is being held by a masked team. You know, if the team take their masks off, it's a different story now. They now, now the people that are being held know who their captors are, which suggests it's not just going to be a case of paying a ransom and going home. You know, you're not going home now. And so we've passed that point, people, the masks are all. And And I think for too many people, now any illusion that there's a benign entity out there with your family's interests at heart, that has gone for too many people. And also we've got the internet.

You and I, you and I are talking miraculously in this manner. And I think the internet came into being from the 1960s onwards, and it was, I think it was always supposed to be. to harvest all the data, harvest all the information about us in the way that it has done. But I think it has also, I think the other side of that coin was that it has given too many of us the opportunity to make connections, understand one another, know that we're not alone. And I genuinely think that the effort to achieve this, you know, hellish, you know, Aldous Huxley, George Orwell, Brave New World, 1984 will fail. and it's already failing and we know it's failing because the antics of

these powers that ought not to be are becoming increasingly desperate canceling jury trials the jailing of young mums for things that have posted in the heat of the moment on Facebook

they are already failing and we know that because their only option now is to try and shut us up and that's not going to work you know I've had this discussion before about we're not the people of the past right we're not the they pick some hero as you pointed out from i don't care take your take your take your time and and you go they've obviously conditioned us

through a bunch of different things uh so much what you talk about in britain i'm like man this sounds like canada like it just uh and as you uh get to talk to more and more people from around the world you realize it isn't just Canada. It isn't Britain. It isn't Australia. Like it's going into so many countries. And yet, you know, like where I sit in Alberta, sitting on the border of Alberta, Saskatchewan, I just go, it's less, well, no, I guess it's just over 100 years since so many people came to this land. And it was inhospitable. It was a nasty place. Tons of people came from Britain and tons of people left from Britain because they're like, you're insane to stay here. And they're here and we come from we come from that stock right now have we been lessened have we

had uh life you know uh our our food supply and different things like that been tampered with and and on and on yes full stop but i'm i'm like on the flip side it's like then a guy like jordan peterson comes along writes a book and a bunch of young men start reading it and trying to do better in their lives and it prepared them for covid i mean unbeknownst to jordan or anyone i i i go back through that book and i'm like really says right there when a government is doing something and i don't know if it's a government but when the laws no longer make sense you're beholden to stand up for what you believe in right and i think it you know there was a bunch of keef um interesting backgrounds of people that i started to see over and over again and a ton of them

read Jordan Peterson. I mean, he comes from Alberta, and they'd read that book. I'm like, isn't that interesting? And so, like, you think, well, we're not the people of the past. Okay, fair. But it's like we're completely snipped from them. We do come from their bloodlines. We do, you know, we do have that in us. We are capable of more. And if we all started to work on that, I mean, all of a sudden, you know, you have a population that would be very difficult to deal with. There are, I absolutely have faith in, and I know people say to me, but when, and I don't know about that. I don't know how long things take, but we will, right will reassert itself, because right is in the natural law. You know, you can hold, you can hold a beach ball under the surface of a

swimming pool for as long as you've got the strength to do so. But the beach ball wants to be on the surface and eventually the forces holding it down will wear out and it bobs up to the surface again because that's the natural that's the natural order it's inevitable that right will that the right way will reassert itself because what is being imposed on people what's being imposed on the world at the moment is an inversion literally of the way the universe wants things to be you know the universe clearly wants us to be here or we wouldn't be here there'd be nothing you know there's a there's a You know, when you face a great decision in your life, for example, or even a small decision, you know, I believe that the universe holds its breath on your behalf, you know, waiting to see what you do, because that is in the natural order. And there has been an attempt, you know, to be to impoverish people and to miseducate and de-educate people and make people fat and make people unhealthy.

All these things have to undoubtedly been going on. But, I mean, you know, there's by way of an example, I mean, there was an experiment done, I don't know, there were millions of experiments like this done, but 20 or years ago, more. Weaverbirds, you know, weaverbirds that create those weird hanging nests of incredible intricacy, you know, they look like they've been moulded from something else, but they're just made by little birds. an experiment was done where weaver birds were taken as chicks and they were taken out of the wild and into captivity and they were given you know something else to nest on something just a soft thing to like a i don't know rolled up sock or whatever and they had they had a generation of chicks from them and a generation of chicks from them and a generation of chicks from them so they ended up with these weaver birds that were many generations away they had never seen a nest being they had, you know, they weren't descended from birds that had made nests. They put them back in other cages and gave them access to the materials that would have been there in the wild.

And all of those chicks made perfect weaver bird nests. Because there's genetic memory. Yeah. People, and that's weaverbirds. It's got a brain the size of your thumbnail or less. You know what I mean? What genetic memory is in you? that you have, that's there in you because of the people that you come from.

Your tooth enamel is made of the water that you drank and the food that you ate as a child and the place. If you've grown up in Alberta, your tooth enamel is Albertan. Because that's, because that is how it works. And we are, you know, we are, we are made to be free. We are, genetically, we are, we are, We are hunting, gathering, gathering, exploratory creatures, not all, but it's there and it's hardwired into the DNA.

And like those weaverbirds, many generations removed from their own reality, their own proper reality, they still had it in them. And it's still there. And it will, I mean, people write to me and contact me all the time and they say, but what's going to happen?

Well, I don't know how long it's going to take, but everything will write itself. And I think to some extent we can already see the signs of it. And it's there in the obvious malevolence of what's being done now. That's desperation. You're not looking on at anything that in essence is right. You're looking on at something that's wrong. And everyone knows right and wrong. You can ignore it.

You can live a criminal life if you want. But everyone knows the difference between right and wrong. You feel like you've got a physiological response to what's right. And so it will correct itself. And the parasitic, psychopathic, you know, entity that we're up against will, it will fail. All I can say is, hell yeah. That's some positive stuff right there. The Weaverbird story is exactly what I'm, you know, I think that's exactly, yeah,

I think you do a great comparison. and what I'm trying to spit out of my own mouth, Neil. That is what set you apart from a lot of people, I think, in COVID that I watch. You have a way with words that is enjoyable. Now, you mentioned kidnapping, a kidnapping story. And when they take their mass off, you realize, oh, God, well, now I know who they are, and I'm not going home. You think we're at that part in the story? Yeah, you might say, I mean, it's torturing the analogy of it.

I think what I really meant was, like me, I spent most of my life thinking, oh, well, they're all right, really. They're whatever, they're Tories or their labour or they're this or they're that. But when it comes down to it, they've got my best interests at heart. But when I say the mask came off, for me, it was realizing, oh, no, they don't. I'm actually in the way. Me and mine, we're in the way of an entity, of an ideology that wants to get to somewhere else. and I'm in its path as most of us are. So you think, oh, right, because what they're trading on,

it was a massive bank account of goodwill. Your people thought, people, British people, you love your own traditions and all the rest of it. But people in Britain look back at the Second World War and the sacrifice and, you know, universal suffrage and getting the vote and improvements to people's life and well-being. People, ah, yes, you know, the entities, they're out there to help us get up and get on. But it doesn't, it doesn't take, I mean, you know the story, the thing about, you know, it takes, you know, it could take 600 years to build a cathedral.

It takes about 10 minutes to knock one down. Destruction is easy, but, but once it's, once you've destroyed, what you know what you got, you've got, you've got a heap of rubble. What, and you're proposing to just rule over the rubble. Well, the people will not be satisfied. with living under the rubble the people will come up again you know the the way people are is as perennial as the grass it just keeps coming back you can tarmac over it you can put pavement down but the grass just keeps on coming back you know and that that will happen you know i i know i know i know when i found myself unexpectedly i didn't want to do it speaking out it was like i expected

everyone to take two steps forward and in fact everyone all the people I expected to speak took a step back and I looked oh my god I'm just I'm just standing here talking I'm not I'm not qualified to do this I shouldn't be doing this but but people all over the world got in touch with me and still do saying you're saying exactly what's going on in my head and I know I'm not saying anything I'm not in I'm not coming up with anything genius I'm saying what everybody knows you know like if you're sitting at a dinner table or in the pub with your pals or something and you know you say a line that cracks everybody up everybody laughs and it's brilliant you have this moment if you think about it you didn't in 99% of cases you didn't think

of the line it was just there it was on it was in your mouth and you said it and everyone laughed and people laugh because what you said was true laughter is a physiological response to somebody hitting the nail right on the head. And someone hits the nail right on the head in the moment. And the whole place just goes, oh, yeah, thanks for reminding me what's true. That's what's funny with a Billy Connolly or a whatever. It's the truth. You didn't make it up.

It's just the truth. And I took a great deal of comfort from hearing from people saying, see what you're saying. It's going on in my head. But yeah, because we all know this stuff. I'm far from a comedian, and yet I had a moment. You're talking these different stories of in the pub and saying the funny line. I assume we can all remember when Bud Light had Dylan Mulvaney on a can.

And here in Alberta, Saskatchewan, it's funny. In Saskatchewan, there's a Pilsner. It's a green can and all the other provinces pretty much make fun of Saskatchewan folk for drinking it. But I grew up with it, so I was having a Pilsner in Alberta, at a small town. Alberta golf tournament and I was the guy they brought in to host it and I've been getting teased all day long but what was funny was I got up on stage now and once again I'm no comedian so I didn't I just wanted to comment on it and I just brought up the fact everybody's been teasing me about drinking pills and I had one of my hand on stage and they were all laughing a little bit said but I've

I've searched everywhere in this world there's someone to be brave enough to be drinking a bud light and I had to come to sorry Irma I had to come to Irma Alberta and I didn't I don't even remember if that's how the line went. I didn't have to say Dylan Mulvaney. I didn't have to say anything. And I had people falling out of their chairs laughing. I was like, what I don't. And you're, that's what you're talking about. Is hitting the nail on the head in the moment. Yeah. And everyone, everyone knows. You know, you can, you can come at it from a million different directions. You know, I, I, I'm not a religious person. I don't, you know, I, but I have faith. And I'm very interested in religion, you know, because I see it, not organised religion, I can't be doing

with that, but I believe in a manifestation of what's right. I believe in the truth. And I think various people in different places at different times have had the temerity to speak the truth, on their own maybe, you know, with no one behind them, with no safety net, they just spoke the truth. And time and time again, that person ends up nailed to a tree one way or another. That's what happens as what happens when you speak the truth and you know and I go I often I think I'm raised in a Christian tradition although I'm not religious but you know if you look at John the gospel New Testament and the the light shines in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not that's a very important line because the light is the truth and every you know the truth like a

just appears in the dark, one light. And the darkness does not want the light. The darkness doesn't get light, it's the dark, it's absence, it's nothing. We're dealing with a manifestation of that which wants there to be nothing, less than nothing, an absence, right? And any time the light is there, it's a big problem for the dark. And I don't, I'm not being preaching here, I'm not meaning this. No, I'm not, I don't think you're being preaching at all. But that, so the truth is the antithesis of what we're up against.

But it's inevitable, like day follows night, it must come. Spring must follow winter. There's nothing they can do about it. To some extent, they've got some sort of control over the timescale, but the spring will come because it must. I was reading one of the chapters in John this morning, and forgive me for not knowing the chapters, folks, but regardless, the one I read the one I read a day ago was Lazarus being brought back from the debt, and the Pharisees are talking about how they need to get rid of Jesus because they're starting to follow him, right? And I'm going, what a wild thing to be just so evident right in front of your eyes. miraculous you bring a guy back from the dead and you're focused on killing the guy who did it because you're you're worried about what power control so then the next one i read today is like i just imagine

i just can't even begin to imagine this you got jesus sitting at the table you got lazarus sitting there leaning back you got mary washing his his feet with the perfume and you're like this is like this is this is amazing right and then it interjects with the pharisees are trying to find a way to kill Jesus and find him and kill Lazarus too because him just being there is proof and we can't have that because that is turning more people towards Jesus than what we're doing I'm like it's been here for you know when the light the dark has been here for forever and you have it and you have it so evident in the Bible and in the story in the book of John people think these you know that you know it's like that's in the past or that doesn't happen anymore you know that

well, well, you know, that's that's the end, that's 2,000 years ago in that part of the world, whatever, whatever, whatever. What people fail to see is that it's a way of, these stories last. You know, we're still telling each other these stories 2,000 years later because it's, because if you can, if you want, subtract the individuals and the setting. But the sequence of events is the same. It's about someone telling the truth. truth and it flying in the face of the powerful because the powerful are subverting the truth

to get what they want, which is more of everything for themselves, including control. And any time that manifests itself in front of them, right, get him, you know, get me a box of nails and a hammer. I'll deal with that. That happens again and again. And people think, oh, the Bible doesn't happen anymore, or they think, whatever, history doesn't happen anymore. I mean, I mean, something that I follow with fascination is the, is the Bitcoin story, crypto, whatever, digital money. And you think, you watch something, you want, I'm only using it as an example. I'm not, I am not here to tell people what to do with their hard earned.

But that is a cat among the pigeons. it's causing all sorts of you know black rock and Donald Trump and all the rest of them four years ago we're saying this is a this is whatever that crush it now they're thinking about jumping on board with it and buying loads of it neither of which responses is necessarily indicative of anything but what you're looking on at there is whenever something appears that they don't recognize that's not theirs they've got to get it or destroy it you know Now, I'm not, like I say, I'm not, you know, making a case for, you know, but your point is taken. If the thing comes in that they, that is not theirs, they either need to take it and make it theirs

or destroy it so nobody else can have it. And it can't, and it can't go against the power structure, the control structure. You know, the light shines in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it. No, I'm not having that, said the dark. it just repeats and repeats and repeats but it's strange it's strange well I mean sorry

you said at the start of the show you're 50 58 and for the first 53 years of your life everything's fine there's nothing there's nothing going on here and you're you're a student of history right like it's it's interesting to me as a student of history

myself included I really enjoy history and I didn't pick up, I mean, you picked up on certain things, but not, now when I go back and read through different things, I'm like, how on earth did I miss that? Like, I mean, it's right there, it's right there, and I still didn't see it. Yes, because it's all comes down to trust. Like I say, that trust's gone. They've blown that. The trust's got, you know, that bank account of trust that built up for most people, a lot of people, they've shredded that. They'll never get that back. you know and I I went to school I went to state school just regular school then I went to university studied archaeology I believed and trusted what I was being told I was I was

handed an orthodoxy I was given a version of events and at the time you know I went to university at 17 came out when I was 21 didn't see any reason to distrust my lecturers and the version of events that I was given and the and the and the The more and more you become, the more and more kind of whatever learning and qualifications and certificates of your name on and letters after your name that accrete around you, you've got more and more invested in it. You know, to see it exposed as a Ponzi scheme or as a fiction becomes increasingly unthinkable, the more you've got invested in it.

Because it's almost an attack on yourself. Well, it is an attack on yourself. It is you. It's you. And so I was never fervent about any of it. You know, I was not, I was just distracted. And of course, we're supposed to be distracted. I've written about, I've always been absolutely fascinated by the Great War, the First World War. And I was never, this is the truth, I was never particularly interested in the tactics.

I never really was particularly moved at the kind of, you know, genetic level by any of that what got me was the scale it was the all the numbers were in the tens and hundreds of millions of people that got swept up into and I couldn't I couldn't believe it I I used to look onto and think how on earth was that made to happen how did a you know how did a people and Edwardian people you know horse-drawn world crinolins for the women you know you know tweed for the men hobnail boots and they off they go into that meat grinder into that charnel house and they kept it going for four years just pushing more and more teenagers through it you know pink mist

coming out the other side I said I don't I don't ask that question anymore I think oh yeah yeah because I watched I watched a generation several generations walk through COVID now I'm not making I'm not seeing this it's not it's not it's not um i'm not comparing light with light but i watched millions of people around be swept up yeah just walk through it and and lose lose their health lose their livelihoods lose their families because they fell out all sorts of what i watched i watched society fall apart i thought oh yeah yeah it can be done it can be done i mean i you know you know Canada i mean i it used to break my heart my dad took when i was a wee boy my dad my dad took in a few times to the battlefields of France,

and we would spend time together really was the point of it, but we would go and visit those terrible cemeteries and whatever. I went to Beaumont-Hammel, you know, where the Newfoundlanders, you know, came to terrible grief. And, you know, you talked about, you know, it's so recent Canada. Canada is so recent, it's so bound up with flesh of my flesh,

blood of my blood, you know, it's Scots that went out, Newfoundland and all the rest of it. And they raised, I think they raised about 1,500 men, something like that as a regiment, and they came across. And in, you know, in the course of one, you know, battle, 800 or 900 of them were killed. And that regiment was gone. They just had to send the survivors out

and to, you know, parcel them off into other regiments, you know. And I used to think about that and think, for that, for those families back home, you know, the hole that was torn, 1,500 men, that was huge. It was a tiny population back out there. And I think about the hole that was torn in the fabric of that community, of those communities. And, you know, Sky, the Isla Sky here, you know, I made a television documentary a few years ago about a band of, you know, Skymen, you know, that went off from, portrait the main town on Sky, and they went off to the First World War.

World War and they got destroyed at a single battle, Festi Bear, and 10 telegrams came back to portray on the same day in a population of fewer than 900 people saying that 10 men were dead on the same day and you think about you think about the impact that you think what that did that's and you can you know a broken heart keeps beaten but it's it's broken and you and you think about that and that was done to that they did that to people and now when I look back at the Great War I realized that the Great War didn't have to happen it was done the banks needed rescuing I'm laughing but it's not funny obviously the you know the there was global financial

collapse coming and it oh and the Federal Reserve was started in 1913 and then in 1914 they got the war to end all wars and by the end of it the banks were all powerful I wonder how that happened and in the meantime a hundred million men and boys were turned into pink mist. And I'll never, and so, you know, I look back at my life of reading books and thinking I knew what was going on. And I'm more than happy to admit that I was, I didn't have a clue. I just called myself, I thought it was quite clever. Not Stephen Hawking clever, but I thought I was, you know, not, you know, not Elon Musk clever.

But I thought I was doing all right. I thought it was probably in the upper half of the class. But now all I realize is that for the first 53 years of my life, I just didn't have a clue. And well, you know, you live and you learn. You live and you learn. Neil, thanks for hopping on and doing this. It was a pleasure.

Anytime.