Shaun Newman Podcast - #968 - Faytene Grasseschi

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

Faytene Grasseschi is a prominent Canadian Christian conservative activist, broadcaster, and author known for her faith-based advocacy on issues like human trafficking, poverty, parental rights, and social justice. She founded and hosts Faytene TV (faytene.tv), a weekly television program and podcast that discusses national Canadian topics—politics, culture, economics, and freedom—from a biblical perspective, airing on networks like YES TV and Daystar Canada.Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Prophet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] the code “SNP” on all ordersGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Make sure to leave a review. And if you're enjoying the show, share it with a friend. And aside, don't. Neamp 18 talked as Bill C9 was being basically debated. And now they've since all left Parliament, they're all back home. So part of the conversation, you know, obviously was directed as they were in committee. And they've since, you know, postponed it essentially until January. So just take the, you know, not the conversation with a grain of salt.

I think there's a ton in here, but part of it was being talked about as they're in committee. Now they're all back home. So that is just a side note. And then a shout out to the U11 Tier 2 Blazers. I'm helping assistant coach my son's team. And we took bronze in our home tournament this weekend. So pretty cool.

Proud of the kids. A busy, busy weekend. And yeah, let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is an author and host Fateen TV. I'm talking about Fateen Grieseski. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast.

Thank you, ma'am, for hopping on, making some time for me. Yeah, I appreciate it. heard about you from a few folks, and it's great to get into the weeds. There's a lot to talk about right now. There is. And before we get into the weeds, your first time on the podcast, if people listening have never heard of you, maybe, I don't know, it doesn't have to be a quick synopsis, but a little bit of your background. Wow. Well, hey, I think probably the most important thing is I'm the daughter of a guy who played NHL hockey. So we've got some intersections here. I'm an Alberta girl, born in Edmonton, and was here right up until I went to one of the most liberal

universities in all of Canada, Simon Fraser University, went to Simon Fraser. Actually, that's where I had a spiritual awakening, came to faith in Christ, started doing street ministry work there. If you don't ask in Faith, what happened when you're on Simon Fraser? You know what? I just met people who lived it. I met people who lived it. I met people who, you know, the Bible would call it the fruit of the spirit. You know, they just, they had a peace and a joy and a vibrancy about their life. You know, the ironic thing, Sean, is I actually thought I was a Christian at the time. And so, but there was like a real difference between them and me. And it kind of got under my skin. And I started, you know, going to some

groups, some Christian groups, like they had these little clubs and stuff that would happen. And, you know, one day I just said, hey, I think. I think I'm in. I think I'm in. And something shifted on the inside. And you know what actually shifted, Sean, for me is it gave me an increased compassion for the vulnerable. Like something shifted on the inside of me after I took that step. And I, that's when I started going to the streets of the downtown east side of Vancouver. We started pulling, you know, pulling folks out of dumpsters, giving them sandwiches. And, you know, and that was kind of like my baptism into justice and social issues and then went and worked in a war zone in West Africa, in Liberia,

and rescuing kids out of the villages who were starving. The program that we started back in those days is actually still running to this day. We've lost count of how many kids have been the positive recipients of that. And it was when I was in Africa, this is how it intersects to, I'm sure a bunch of the stuff we're going to get into today, is that's when I began to realize that government matters, that policy matters, because you know, all throughout Liberia at the time, you saw this massive devastation, poverty, and the people that suffered the most because of bad government were the senior citizens and the babies. And those are the ones that already had my heart, you know? So I was like,

I came back to Canada. And we have done so much over the years, Sean. We've taken teens. to parliament, to meet with members of parliament and senators. I think we've taken 17 young adult leadership delegations lost track, but somewhere between 1800 and 2,000 sit-down meetings with members of parliament and senators over the years. You know, I've got a television show, broadcast, not podcast. So I kind of went from a young adults movement to like a senior citizens movement because most of people that watch me are over the age of 65.

And, you know, and so we've kind of got this political. action group called for my Canada, but my husband and I run a charity, and I'm a mom, you know, so you get it. Life is crazy. If I go back to Vancouver, you mentioned you get, you know, your baptism by fire of helping the help us on the streets. How do you get to Liberia? Like, how do you make that jump? You know, really, really good question. And if I'm going to be honest, which, you know, is a good practice in life, right? I, it was in my prayer time. I, it was in my prayer times. I was just, I was in prayer and I just started to get this burden for missions. I started to get this burden for orphans, you know, and I found this organization that had almost no infrastructure. It was

ridiculous. Had almost no infrastructure. But I called them up and I was like, hey, I kind of feel like I should go to Africa to see if I can help people. You know, I was just bopping a log, you know, just this kind of naive, you know, do-gooder. And I actually got an open-ended ticket. And I actually got an open-ended ticket. So, you know, I paid for the tickets both ways, but I didn't set a date for my return. My mom was terrified and just went there. And, you know, I think, you know, as people of faith, you know, if we're authentic, you know, that's how we function, right? We get a prayer life. We sustain a prayer life.

And our prayer life is how the Holy Spirit moves us and directs us into the things that, you know, he has for us to do. Does that sound like kind of? No, no, no, I think a lot of the audience knows that when I found faith and I started, there's things I do with the podcast, I'm like, what the heck am I doing here? Like, why do you got me here? And I have no idea. You just know you got to do it, right? Yeah. And so, you know, you just, you listen.

And no, it doesn't sound strange at all. But I am curious about Liberia before we hop into all the things going on in Canada. Can somebody talk about C-9 today? Yes, well, we're going to get to that. But I'm just curious, you know, for a few minutes on Liberia, because to me, I don't know if this is the right way to position it, but it sounds like it was pretty formidable years of your life where you go and you see a war zone and you see, you know,

you said, like, this really showed me how important government is when you landed in Liberia and you, I don't know, I don't know what you thought you were walking into, but maybe you could just walk me through that for a few minutes yeah well you know beautiful nation beautiful nation beautiful people the liberian people have the gift of joy you know how like every people group kind of has like their thing that's like their strength and their gig um i was blown away with how happy and joyful these people were in the midst of social chaos and you know what struck me the most i think or at least it's coming to my mind right now is as a

person that was there was there with an NGO with a faith-based NGO so as there as a missionary so to speak and it was how easy it was to save lives on the ground you know a lot of the the deaths that were happening were because of starvation and um oh gosh malaria that was got out of malnutrition and malaria and the malaria medicine was less than five bucks and so i would go into the villages and find these kids that were literally, you know, within the last probably month or two months of life if somebody didn't intervene. And we would bring them to the Methodist hospital. By the way, this was a real eye-opener to me because all of the life-saving infrastructure that was thriving in that chaos and that war zone was faith-based. And it was all Christian faith-based. And I was kind of

like, hey, where are the other faiths? And how come the Christians are the only ones that are going here? And to me, that was like, okay, like this is another proof that, you know, we're on to something because this fate that is rooted in the Bible gives us a strength and gives us a compassion and gives us, you know, some gatorade, you know, on the inside that causes us to do the things that others won't do. And, you know, and so saving lives, like, that's really what struck me. It was that, you know, you can give hundreds, you can give thousands of dollars to big missions agencies, which is great. But if you can find a frontline missionary and just put like a hundred bucks in that little girl's pocket, you can probably save three kids' lives. Because the cost of malaria

medicine, the cost of food, I don't know what the cost of food is there now. But, you know, just finding those people that are willing to go where no one else will go, willing to do, when no one else will do, just put money in their pockets. And this is the most impactful thing that you can do to really save lives. That was a big thing. And yeah, and just, you know, the chaos of government, you know, that all of this poverty and sickness and devastation, in a lot of cases, the babies were being taken care of by the grandparents

because, you know, people had died or they were, you know, the moms were selling their bodies for money in Monrovia. And so they weren't there. The babies were left with grandparents. And, you know, seeing the pressure on grandparents. grandparents as well and the most vulnerable in society, right? The aged and our little babies that have no voice. These are the ones that just, they're in my heart. How long did you spend in Liberia? I was there for about 10 months, about 10 months. So not super fast, but not super long.

But I'm grateful to be able to say that the work that we did in that time has sustained and that we did this, we started this program called Come Eat at My Table. where rather than giving money to the grandparents that were taking care of these starving babies, we would give it to a healthy family in the community that was rooted in a church and that we had accountability mechanisms with. And so we would give that family extra money so they could make extra food. And then they would invite these other families to come and eat at their table. And we call it the Come Eat at My Table program.

And it's still running to today. I'm just, I'm so delighted. It's so delighted to hear that. So yeah. When you come back to Canada from Liberia, 10 months there. Was it like going from, I don't know the word, a world, you know, where few go, few are willing to put themselves in that situation and then to see the things that are going on there and to come back to Canada.

And if you fast forward, I mean, that, I assume there was a little bit of an integration process that had to happen for you. But then to fast forward to, and certainly we can bring. in C9 or any other bills you want now but you know like I feel like and once again it's it's your story to tell that must have been a bit of an adjustment yeah and this is a standard thing right like most missions agencies or NGOs even non-faith based have a reintegration program because people come back and the contrast is so extreme right we've got clean waters we got clean water toilets at flush we can just go to a store and and get food

that is accessible and affordable and healthy. And, you know, yeah, so the contrast was huge. I didn't have as hard of an, as difficult as a reintegration process, perhaps, as some. Possibly because I was coming back with purpose, you know. And because one of the things that really drilled into my soul during my time in Liberia was, we need to keep Canada strong. Because if Canada doesn't remain strong and if we don't keep, keep strong leaders in our nation.

And I got to say this, too, Sean. I knew nothing about government politics. My dad played NHL, as I said, off the top. I like to say that because it's a fun fact. And I'm proud of my dad. But I thought the senators were a hockey team. Like, I did not know anything. You know, true confessions of an apathetic Canadian at the time.

I didn't even vote until my mid-30s, right? And so, but I just knew that we needed to keep Canada strong. And so I came back with this sense of purpose. I didn't know how it was going to take form or shape. I didn't know where that purpose was going to land. But I just started to volunteer with everything that had anything to do with Canada and represented my values. And one thing kind of leads to another, right?

And so I think that was a bit of my saving grace on the reentry is, you know, I came back with purpose and a fight in my heart that our nation doesn't decline into that type of a state. well and then Canada has done what Canada has done and maybe that's where we bring in C9 and maybe you could I don't know you but I feel like there's a whole group of people that are like staring straight at this thing or like reporting on it talking about it trying to bring awareness to what's going on to the audience walk us through C9 and where we're sitting here at in Canada today yeah well just kind of I'm not a lawyer. I'm a I'm a commentator like yourself. I'm a journalist. I'm a mom who's

busy and doesn't have time to read through tons of tons of legislative dissertation. And so, you know, this was and is a bad bill that just had a bad amendment passed within a bill that was already bad to make it, you know, even worse. And so that is kind of the summary of it directly focusing on the issue of your right and my right to hold a sincerely held viewpoint based on our faith and articulate that in society and not be prosecuted for it. And, you know, I've had some folks that have said, you know, I'm a little bit confused about this because, you know, we see things happening in the streets right now in Toronto and Montreal where you've got, you know, chilling, anti-Semitic ranting, because people are doing this

on the basis of their faith, you know, calling inciting genocide, calling for death to the Jewish people, calling for the death of the Jewish people, the annihilation of the state of Israel. Like, these are really, really intense things that people are saying. They seem to be going unchecked in some situations. And it's being done on the basis of people's faith. And I think an important point that the conservatives have been making over and over again is that is already illegal. It is already illegal to do that. It's already illegal to incite genocide and to call for an entire people group or anybody to be killed.

Murder, right? That's already illegal. And the problem is that the current legislation, the current hate speech legislation, has not been in force. This is what the conservatives are saying. So what's the agenda here? I've got some ideas about that. But what's the agenda here? Why do we have to that now edge in and begin to target people that are not those people, you know, that are not those people? I personally am not standing in the streets calling for the death and destruction of anybody. That's not what I do on the daily or ever or would ever do. But do I have some opinions that other people in Canada might, based on my faith, other people in Canada might be offended by, feel our uncomfortable by? with. And in this sort of snowflake culture that we've created, we have an entire generation

that's coming up in the wings that have been taught by the progressives on the left in academia that for somebody to disagree with them is hate or even as verbal violence. Like these types of things are being said on the regular. And so how does this then begin to intersect with society, prosecution and, you know, the judiciary down the line. And I think the big concern about this is that people that have that mindset, that for you to disagree with somebody and if your view is offensive to them and if it is anchored in your sincerely held religious beliefs, that you can be prosecuted to be, you know, executing verbal violence or whatever they would say and and possibly thrown in jail just for simply pushing back on somebody else's opinion.

And this is a very precarious, precarious situation for any society to be in. And history is our tutor, history is our mentor. Every dictatorship on the planet historically or currently has started here, has started with, you know, clamping down on the media, clamping down on free speech, clamping down on dissent. And, you know, rolled out down the line, we've seen historically how this can become things, can become like, that somebody becomes an enemy of the state because of dissent. You know, so if you disagree with the government of the day and that's rooted in your faith,

do you now become an enemy of the state? What does that mean? Like, this is not alarmism. This is history. This is in the history books of nations throughout, throughout time, right, recorded time. So it's a very, it's a very chilling moment that we're in right now. It would seem to me that this is a political play on behalf of the liberals right now, that, you know, they're in a minority situation.

They're two seats shy of being able to just, you know, get anything that they put on the table passed. And so they need a player on the other side. The block has said that they're willing to play, but this is their chip. This is their card that they want. And so the liberals are possibly doing this because there's other future legislation that they know that they're going to need help with. I don't know for sure. I'm not sitting at the liberal caucus.

And perhaps they actually believe in this. Perhaps they actually want a tool that could be weaponized. And I say this statement. I'm saying this perhaps. Like perhaps there are people on the caucus. You know, I'm sure that there are some that feel deeply uncomfortable with how this is rolling out on the. some people on the liberal caucus, but, you know, perhaps there are some that are kind of sitting there saying, you know, hey, maybe this isn't, you know, maybe this is a tool that we would want.

Maybe we would want to be able to crush Christian podcasters, you know, maybe we would want to be able to crush Christian broadcasters who are simply bringing an opinion that is opposed to the government. This is where we're at. do i understand that correctly that you're saying the block is the one who wants this and the liberals are pushing it forward for them so they can get it through so that down the line they can get other things put in did i did i understand that correctly i'm sure that has to be one of the logic factors at the liberal caucus table i'm sure it has to be this is conjecture of course um you know

they are wanting that. You know, Justin Trudeau, he had his liberal NDP alliance. Yes. It would seem that the liberals are making the same play that they are wanting this liberal block alliance. So if they make friends over C9, they become allies for things down the road and obviously an ally in this moment as well. And so the block have been pushing for this type of legislation for quite some time. I have friends in Quebec that have shared with me that they've received flyers from the block talking about the importance of bringing forward strong hate, stronger hate speech legislation to push back.

And the target really is anti-Semitism in terms of the justification. This is something the block has been pushing for for a while. So this is one of their pet policies. And so for the liberals to coalesce with them on this means that they make a friend. They make a really good friend for the future. Then I guess the question that comes to my mind is, If the block has been pushing for this for a long time, why do they want it so bad? I mean, obviously, you know, they're going to hide it behind anti-Semitism as being the reason for it.

But is it just to have the ability to, if their population's getting out of line, becoming dissidents, speaking out against the government, they can just crush them? Is that the simplicity of it? Yeah, I really don't know. And it would be amazing for you to have a guest on who really understands. the political climate of Quebec because it really is a different culture, just like Alberta is a different culture, Atlanta, Atlanta, Atlanta, for a few years, very different culture. And so there is a culture in Quebec. But what we have seen in Quebec over the last, you know, year is, you know, the provincial government is rolling out a series of secularism bills that would

really clamp down on religious freedoms. And, you know, they've actually commissioned and funded different groups to do research on how we can secularize Quebec society. This has been a broader move within the provincial government and something that apparently the block are deeply aligned with. But I'd be fascinated. If you get a guest on from Quebec, I'm too much. Well, I'm already thinking Vesper, if you're listening, it sounds like you're being called because that is the one man I know well from Quebec who could probably shed some light on it. It's just, you know, like, it's interesting to watch sitting here, you know, on the border of Alberta, Saskatchewan, you know, that we're going to, you know, it was Mark Miller who came out talking about hate speech in the Bible. And you're like, what, what Rupa con did we just cross in Canada?

We're in a strange place where that is the conversation of today when you have so many large. issues going on in society and none of them being addressed or at least from my eyes not being addressed maybe uh i don't know pha teen maybe you have a a better insight than me or maybe the most that there are being or there are addressing some of the big issues i just don't see it yeah and what's different with this is the gas pedal is to the floor like this is being expedited and this is one of the points that the conservatives are making in the Justice Committee literally right now as we're recording this interview. There are two bills in the Justice Committee right now. One is C9, the one that we were just talking about, the hate speech bill. The other is C-14, which deals with

bail reform. And basically, this bill, I haven't read it, but as I understand it, would bring some correction or at least bring some conversation around the catch and release dynamic that we're seeing where our police officers, shout out to our police officers, by the way, that serves so sacrificial are catching criminals, violent criminals, putting them into jail and these guys are being released again without bail before the paperwork is even completed. And so we have a whole entire, we have police all across Canada that are absolutely exasperated with this. And so this is another one of the bills that's in the Justice Committee right now.

For some reason, they're pushing the gas on C9, which the conservatives today have been making the point time and time again, hey, we need more conversation on this. Our phones are blowing up. Way to go. Everybody who's been making those calls, by the way, our phones are blowing up. And by the way, I want to say something about this. We recently were chatting with a former senior cabinet minister of the, from the Harper era. and she said that, you know, the most important thing for anybody to do on any issue that they care about is this. Pick up the phone and call because phone calls, phone calls get the most attention

because they're disruptive, Sean. You know, they can actually ignore an email. They can ignore a petition. They could just watch the ticker go up, you know, and maybe decide whether or not they're going to pay attention to that. But when their staff are saying, listen, we've gotten 20 calls on this issue today. Like the staff, it's incredibly disruptive to the office, incredibly disruptive to their work. They're going to want it to stop. They're going to take that feedback to back to their caucus. And so phone calls are so critical. But basically what the conservatives have been saying is, listen, our phones are blowing up, which they are. And, you know, Canadians care about this. And this is Canadians from many different faith expressions. We're

hearing from the Jewish community. We're hearing from the Muslim community. We're hearing from the Christian community, big letter that was written to Prime Minister Carney from the Catholic bishops. You know, we're hearing from Canadians on this. We need to slow this down at the committee so that minimally we can have some witnesses. And this is normal process at the committee level. Let's make some room. Let's make some time in the schedule for some witnesses to come. And that would be amazing. You know, that would be amazing. And so I don't, we, we, nobody knows for sure. what's going on in the mind, you know, behind all of this. But for some reason, they're putting the gas on this bill that Canadians are deeply concerned

about, rightfully so. And they've just taken the gas off of C-14, which is a bill that our law enforcement or an issue that our law enforcement professionals are asking the government to deal with for the safety of Canadians, particularly in our urban centers. So all that to say, that big monologue to say, really good question, Sean, really good question. Well, I've been watching, I don't normally, I mean, I certainly watch clips and probably will engage more than most. But like, you know, I sat down and watched a good chunk of that, and forgive me, what is it actually called Thetian, what they're doing where Andrew Lawton and all them are discussing the C9 and trying to get them to discuss. C14. What is that situation called? Yeah, well, they're basically just putting forward a motion at

committee to basically do a switch foot to say, hey, let's let's put C9 on the table and let's put C14 forward and let's talk about C14 and then let's adjourn at the pre-scheduled time and all go enjoy our family for Christmas. Whereas the liberals in the block are saying, no way Jose. no we're not going to talk about c14 and it's it's really interesting to listen to them go back and forth normally my eyes kind of glaze over when politicians get yelling at each other but this one is really interesting to me because c9 you're like that you can tell this is a terrible bill let's just put it over here let's talk about something that could impact canadians tomorrow if we would just discuss it and move forward on on bail reform nope not doing that it's like that's interesting

to me. When logic doesn't prevail in these processes, it's most likely because politics is at play. So this is a political, a political thing. And it might just go back to what we were chatting about just a few moments ago. And that's the liberals desire to fuse an alliance with the block, not only for this bill, but for future legislation that they want to see past. And that should probably unnerve anyone listening, right? Like we saw the, the, man, when it was them and the NDP, and it didn't matter how insane the world was getting, Singh wouldn't listen to any of it. And they just kept marching along with the liberals to the detriment of all Canadians. And now if that is the same game at play, the politics at play,

to try and fuse that relationship with the block, that should unnerve all Canadians as much, if not more. Yeah. And to give a shout out to the liberals in the block, like these are not unintelligent people like these are these are strong professionals they are distinguished they have they are accomplished individuals they're not dull pencils and so i'll go back to the statement that i just made if logic doesn't seem to be prevailing because you would think that you know a logical person would be able to see clearly that c14 should be the priority here and that we need to take more time on c9 and so when logic isn't prevailing there's something else happening behind the scenes for sure that's my opinion on this or my my my read on it so uh let's get a liberal on

here to prove me wrong good luck with that um um um where does it sit where does c9 sit as we're speaking today like you know i've i've had tons of uh i thought it got shot down and then you know i'd had other things come in and i'm i'm probably just as confused as anyone so where does it sit right now yeah really good question and so this is the general process let me give you the broad brush of the general process sure how a bill gets made and then all then we can kind of pinpoint drop a pin into where we're at the process so a bill gets tabled first reading once it passes second reading so on the floor of the house of commons between first and second and before second vote happens uh there are debates there's dialogue so you can go back in and see some of those

debates and then once a second reading happens then all of the members of parliament that are present in the House of Commons at that time get to cast a vote and if the bill in question passes second reading then it gets bounced to committee now that's usually where the work of making a piece of legislation great really happens that's where you have the experts weighing in that's where you have the academics you have the professionals you have the advocacy groups that specialize in a certain space. That's where everybody comes to the table. And this can be drawn out in some situations for months and months and months. As a matter of fact, a lot of bills die in committee because elections get called and then everything gets flushed or parliament gets paroched. And so,

you know, this can be a real slow cooker process at committee, particularly if it's a bill of large consequence, like the one we're talking about right now, it was C9. And so normally you'll have time for those witnesses to come. You'll have amendments that will be suggested by members of committee. Those amendments, you know, which usually reflect the advice of the experts that have been brought to the table as witnesses, those amendments then will be voted on by those who serve on the Justice Committee. And then if the amendment passes, it gets inserted into the bill. If it doesn't pass, then we carry on. So what just happened was the bill's amendments, which would remove protection in the criminal code for sincerely held religious views. That amendment was put

forward and that amendment passed because the bloc and the liberals banded together to pass it. And so now what's happening is the bill is still in committee. Excuse me, got a little tick on my throat. The bill is still in committee. Andrew Lawton has brought forward an amendment that is attempting to restore protection for goodwilled people of faith. And other sub-amendments have been brought forward. I haven't been able to get the text for all of the amendments or the sub-amendments yet. So this is kind of like this ping pong match right now that's happening at the Justice Committee. And then what would normally happen is the bill would then go back to the floor of the House of Commons for what's called third reading.

And that is the final vote. That is like the final countdown. So that's the final vote where members from all the parties then weigh in. They cast that final vote. If it passes third reading, it then goes to the Senate and goes through the same process in the Senate. Now, the Senate is supposed to be the place of sober second thought where there's even a slower cooker approach. It's like the crock pot of Canada.

But what we've seen happen with some other bills is where if the government really wants to get it passed, we know the government has stacked, or the liberals, excuse me, under Justin Trudeau, stacked the Senate. And so it's very, very heavily weighted ideologically in alignment with the liberal legislative agenda. And so there's a, you know, a really good chance that it would be expedited through the Senate as well. And so with the block, the liberals have the majority on the floor for that third reading vote. So it would be a miracle to stop C-9 in the third reading vote. You know, we believe in miracles.

And we've seen crazy stuff happen in the past. You know, if the government falls on an non-confidence vote and we go into an election, all of this gets purged, all of this gets flush. But right now the pin drop is we are between second and third reading in the House of Commons. This still has a long ways to go, but, you know, the liberals have a lot of the weight and the equity for the moments that are to come ahead. On committee, how many liberals and how many block versus everybody else? Okay. Okay, I'm going to actually look this up right now. Can you give me a minute? I can certainly give you a minute. The reason of why I'm asking is, you know, when all these people were texting me and I was talking different people.

I felt like, no, I thought the prevailing thought was, no, it can't, it's not going to get past committee. And I saw the pressure cooker go up on the committee and tons of eyes on it. And, you know, Shuttle Tanger Lawton, former guests of the show and some of the work he's doing there, among others, I might add. And so, you know, that kind of gave me a little bit of piece of, okay, there's good people fighting this. I, you know, I was on the call that I saw you talk among others. And I was like, okay. And yet when I hear what you just said, I'm like, wait a second. So if the liberals and the block outnumber the committee, eventually this gets the third reading.

And if it gets the third reading, the same thing will prevail in that larger vote because you're outnumbered. And we both know that when it goes to the Senate, after what Trudeau's done, there would be nothing in the Senate stopping this. I mean, I'm not trying to give a dark, dark, ominous look at it, but I mean, just practically speaking, if the liberals and the block outnumber the committee, that is a, I just think about that. I'm like, holy crap, this is closer than I thought it was. Oh, yeah. Okay. If my eyes are serving me well in this moment, we've got six between the liberals and the block, we've got six members on the committee. committee from them. And we've got four from the conservatives. So we would need a couple of those guys or gals not to show up or to decide to vote a different way.

Now, one way that this can die on the floor of the House of Commons is if there are members of the Liberal Caucus. So these are sitting members of parliament who are not on the Justice Committee, but will have a vote at that third reading. If there are some members of the Liberal caucus that do the right thing and cross the floor on this, and again, we've seen this happen in the past. And so they can cross the floor. They can abstain.

They can just not be present in the House of Commons that day, accidentally have a personal development day or something like that. Then what happens is it brings down the vote count for the liberals. And the block, as I understand it, again, forgive me that. I don't have this right top of my mind right now, but I do know the block have more than 20 elected members of Parliament. So you would need, you know, 20 or 30 members of the liberal caucus to do what I just described. You know, 20 to 30 of those guys to say, we're going to abstain, we're not going to show up that day, or we're going to do the bold, courageous, gutsy, and controversial thing politically.

And we're going to pull a Belinda Strachan. and we are going to cross the floor on this one. And that could happen. And so one of the things that all of your viewers and those that follow me should seriously be leveraging right now and considering is we need to be making phone calls to members of the liberal caucus and we need to be mobilizing. If we care about this issue, we need to be mobilizing people who are like-minded right within those ridings to be to be launching an outcry for liberal members of parliament that were in

tight races you know many many elections in the last federal election were won or lost by less than 2,000 votes and so if you've got a church that all of a sudden lights it up or you've got a community a synagogue a mosque you've got any community that lights it up and begins to target some of these liberals that were in these very, very tight races. And I'll say this, Sean, we got a bunch here in Alberta. There are liberals in this category in Calgary. There's a ton in the GTA. There is a ton in Atlantic Canada. There's some in Quebec. There's some in B.C. And so our team is going to be working on this list. And so I encourage folks, if you don't mind me giving a shameless plug. No, no, plug away. Yeah, to go to foremycadda.com. And we're going to be putting, you know, sort of our top, we'll

probably do a top 20 list of those in the liberal caucus that really need to be need to be hearing from Canadians right now and specifically Canadians who live in their writings. And if that happens, if there is a massive mobilization in those writings, communicating to those liberal members, this is political intelligence 101 right here. You know, you want to make sure you're doing the thing that's going to have the greatest impact. skate to where the puck is, not to, or where it will be, not to where it is. And so watch on our website because we'll be working on that because this matters. You know, this really matters.

You know, you and I, you know, we're strong enough, competent enough that we'll always find something to do to provide for our families. I know you don't do your podcast. I don't do what I do because it's a moneymaker. We're doing this stuff because we care. We care about our kids. We care about our future. And so, you know, we'll always.

be okay like we'll find things to do that that will move you know move our own lives forward and provide for our families but the bigger thing that's at stake is the future for our kids right like what what kind of a canada are we leaving you know for your three beautiful children for my two amazing kids you know are they going to have the freedom you know if they want to do a podcast in 15 years are they going to have the freedom to get on a screen like this and share perspectives from their sincerely held faith viewpoint. This is the moment. This is what we're fighting for right now,

and this is why this matters. So that's, you know, if I was in a political strategy session on this, I would say it's those liberals that were in those tight races that really need to hear from Canadians right now. And we are. We are in a moment where these conversations need to be moved. Well, I think you'll agree with me. when it comes to the question of faith, it doesn't have political leanings.

It's not like it's conservative or liberal, right? There's people on both sides of the aisle that have strong faith beliefs, and this would impact everyone, right? So, you know, like this is one where if there is a team Canada, they should all be rallying right now around exactly what you're talking about to push on their members of parliament, be like, what are you doing? This is insane. We can't do this.

And if I'm hearing the numbers correctly, it's like, well, you're outgunned six to four in committee. Because unless something really changes, you're outgun. And then you come to the third and final reading. And, you know, I'm just looking at the numbers. And once again, forgive me if these numbers aren't bang on, it's quick Google search. So don't judge me there, folks. 170 for the liberals, 144 for the conservatives. The block hold 22.

So it's like, they don't need a whole heck of a lot of. the block to vote to have this through. And in order for the narrative or the direction of this thing to be changed, you need, as you pointed out, quite clearly, not one, not two, we're talking 20 some people to go, I'm not showing up, I'm not doing that, I'm not part of this. And that comes from pressure. And pressure should be there because if Canada, you know, to me, I guess I'm curious your thoughts. But like, you know, of all the things that have been going on in Canada, there's certain times where you can look back and go, that was a big moment. And the direction of Canada was forever changed because of that moment right there. And this moment that we're in feels like a

pretty dang big moment of the direction Canada's going to go in for the years to come. Yeah. And the ironic, the irony in this is so many of us are here. You know, if you roll back the tape of all of our genealogies, so many of us are here because our ancestors fled oppressive regimes that did exactly, you know, the types of things that we are starting to edge towards legislatively here. This is a bill that could be. I'm not saying that it will be. I am saying that it could be weaponized. You know, my ancestors, my great-grandparents came from Eastern Europe, you know, fleeing Stalin, fleeing. They got out under Hitler. you know and today you know so many Canadians that are here are here because they value

peaceful freedom and you know in a lot of these ridings that were very very tight there is a huge voter block amongst the Muslim community amongst the Jewish community people that would deeply value the ability to express their sincerely held religious views again I'm not talking about inciting violence I'm not talking about inciting genocide and there's there are so many. There's already criminal code against that, right? Yeah. And there are so many beautiful, peaceful Muslims, Muslim Canadians from C to C that just simply want to be able to raise their children in accordance to their conscience, you know, based on their understanding of their holy texts. And if all of these communities who have traditionally voted liberal because of

immigration policy, if all of these communities or if that the liberal block of the, the liberal block of the Jewish community and the GTA, if all of them began to sort of wake up to what's at stake here, which many of them are, and if those communities, in addition to other faith communities, like the ones that we are a part of, if all of them started to just light up the phones of these liberal members of parliament, you know, let's find the 20 in the closest races and brought their voice to the table. Now, this isn't about manipulation. This isn't about anything other than the authentic expression of democracy. This is democracy in action.

It's when the people speak and the leaders listen. And this is a moment where, you know, in politics, silence is interpreted as agreement. And so if there is not an outcry in this moment, it will be interpreted politically by those that are advances in this agenda as agreement. And we need to understand that. because I think so often, you know, we've become a society that is a consumer society, you know, will ingest this information will be like super concerned about it, we'll make a comment on the Facebook stream, you know, we'll like and share, but very few take that extra step of actually

picking up the phone and doing democracy. And this is a very, very important moment for us to make that powerful decision to do democracy. If people want to find your list of the, the 20. Where can they find that? Well, it doesn't exist yet, but hopefully as of the airing of this podcast, you know, we'll put the heat on here on our team and try to get that figured out because we're going to have to do some research, obviously, on the data from the last election. But go to 4MyCanada.com and there is a button. We have it right at the top right now. It's right under the logo that says C9 target list. Right now, the numbers, the people, the members of parliament, excuse me, that are prioritized at the top of that are the members of the

Justice Committee. We're encouraging people to email or to call, excuse me, their own member of parliament, but we will get, we'll get that top 20 up there. Well, what I'll do, folks, is I'll put the link in the show notes too. That way, if you just want to scroll down, you know, if you're listening on Spotify or Apple, it'll just be sitting there so you can click on it and go to it. Now, before I let you out of here, the other thing that I should bring up, maybe, I don't know, is it, I assume is a little happier news is your book and and where people can find that you'd uh um you know you you always apologize about plugs but i mean what's what's the show if you can't plug your own material so feteen please uh yeah bring up uh bring up what you got there well you know and this

I'm not meaning to give myself my own kudos but uh you know the timing of this couldn't have been better you know to be honest and when um when I wrote this book I was not thinking about C9 I was just thinking about, you know, our broader passion to see great people engage in democracy. And so many people ask the question, like, what can I actually do? Can anything be done? Is Canada too far gone? And so this book, if not now, then when, great statement, great question, has been number one on Amazon in two categories for quite some times. I'm really excited about that.

It is a really quick read. It is an easy read that breaks down with the average. person can do if they care about the issues that we often talk about on my show or C9. There's two chapters that I say, you know, if folks only read two chapters, read these two. And it's chapter two and then the very last chapter where, is it the last chapter? Chapter 9 where I share a story that was a defining moment for me and one of my mentors, a man named David Maines. But chapter two is called Lessons from Distant and Not

not so distant history. And what I do in this chapter, Sean, is I break down how our current power structure in Parliament has been, basically has been determined by a very small amount of people who have showed up in swing ridings in battle zones. A lot of folks might not know this, but Mark Carney, Prime Minister Mark Carney missed getting a majority only by 57 votes across three ridings. So three writings, 57 votes. And obviously that has now created this dynamic where they're brokering with the block. A lot of folks don't know this as well. Premier Daniel Smith, she only got her majority position by five seats, 2,000 votes. We recently had an election in Newfoundland Labrador. The conservatives won a majority by one seat, 22 votes. I ran for office,

you know, about a year ago. And I lost by, out of about 83,000 total votes, I lost by only 224 votes. I didn't lose by 224 votes, Sean. I lost by one volunteer because statistically one more volunteer helping out in my campaign for about a month. And I would be a member of the Legislative Assembly in New Brunswick right now. I got to say this, I'm happy that I'm not, because I think this work that we're doing right now in the advocacy space on the federal level is much more important than being an opposition

MLA in a woke New Brunswick legislature. So anyway, I talk about this stuff in the book. I give people action steps on where to start, what to do. Also talk about our finances as a nation. I tie the whole chapter in here about freedom of conscience, freedom where we're at, where we've come from. I talk about sanctity of life, the issue of medical assistance and dying, the fact that Canada is the only Western nation that has no restrictions on third trimester abortion. My babies were born at 38 weeks in Canada. It is legal and funded by taxpayers to abort a baby at that point of gestation, not criminal. And so I talk about some of these types of things that some Canadians just don't know if it's not their area of interest. And yeah, there it is.

So you can get it on Amazon or you can get it on my website, 18.ca. If you buy it through our website, you will get a signed copy. It'll just take longer. If you buy it on Amazon, you'll probably get it tomorrow or the next day. If you got that one volunteer who didn't volunteer listening, what would you say to them? I assume, I'm going to assume a couple things, Fatene, while you're thinking about this. I'm going to assume they know they should volunteer.

They're thinking about volunteering, but they didn't. And if you're trying to convince them of why they should get involved, What would you say to them? I would say that there are windows where you can do a little bit that will make a huge impact. And those windows, you don't get back. And you have to discern the windows. And this is what we've committed ourselves to with, for my Canada, is helping people discern the windows and then helping them understand the powerful thing that they can do.

You know, I must admit, though, I had a great campaign manager. He was brilliant, and he knew. He said to me the week before, this story is a bit gutting, the week before our vote, he said, you know, Fetian, this is, you're going to either win or lose by 200 votes. That's how close it is. He called it. And so what I did is that Sunday afternoon, I just started working the phones, and I called everybody who I knew agreed with me, agreed with lower taxes, letting parents stay informed

on what's happening with their kids at school. people that I knew were ideologically aligned with the type of legislation I supported. And I called every single one that I could think of that was within driving distance that had not yet volunteered in my campaign. And I spent about three or four hours just working the phones and crickets. Right. And so, you know, the ones who had been faithful up into that point stayed faithful. I had a few people that showed up super last minute.

but, you know, giving two hours on the last day of a campaign, you know, it's great, but it's not going to change the game necessarily in most situations. And so if all the people that agreed, if all the people that even appreciated, because I had so many people, Sean, that said, you know, Fatim, we're so glad you're doing this. They saw, like, our family, this is actually why we live in Alberta now. This is a whole other story. But we got doxed really, really hard. Our personal address got put on the Internet, over 200 screen captures of people telling

me to kill myself, that I was a fascist, that I was this, that, and the other thing, the address of our charity was well known. It got to the point where it became unsafe for our family to stay. And so I had a lot of people that appreciated that we were willing to go to the wall for these things. And a lot of people that saw the price that myself and my family were facing and still didn't show up. And I'm sure they feel, you know, horrible about that. You know, you have to trust Providence in some of these things because, like I said, I think the definition of torture would be to be an opposition conservative MLA in a woke, you know, legislative assembly in any province, you know. And I had also become kind of one of the targets of the CBC, the Telegraph Journal. You know, I was one of their favorite people to hate on.

And so, yeah, so like people saw it. They saw the price that we were paying. And I think the reason people don't show up is because they just don't understand how powerful they are. They don't understand that one person showing up just a couple hours a week, you know, consistently over a few weeks, would help bring in enough support and enough votes to actually change the outcome of an election. And so I don't want to lay a heavy on people. I don't want people to feel bad. I don't want people to feel condemned. But I do want them to feel powerful.

And I do want them to dig deep. I do want that volunteer that didn't show up to dig deep and say, ah, you know, it's kind of like, it's kind of like the guy that scores on his own net by accident. You know, it's like, let's not do that again, you know, let's just, you know, make a powerful decision today that the next time I have an opportunity to serve in a moment that I will never get back, I'm just going to decide in advance and I'm going to say yes. Faye, I appreciate you hopping on and doing this and continue to do what you're doing. I think I can speak for a lot of people that it's much appreciated and noticeable.

And, well, I don't know. I'm glad I finally got you on the podcast. I'm glad we finally got to connect. It has been years in the making. On my end, I've known who you are and you've been suggested for a long time. And I'm happy I finally got to pull it together so we could sit and chat. And hopefully it's not the last time. Either way, thanks for hopping on today.

Well, I appreciate it. And hopefully your viewers have a few things to think about as we all go away from this moment. Go call. Go call your MP. Thank you.