Shaun Newman Podcast - #970 - Military Roundtable

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

On today’s Military Roundtable we discuss the fact it has been 80 years since the last Victoria Cross was awarded to a Canadian and the initiative being put forth to change that, drone warfare and some stories from their time overseas. Chuck Prodonick spent 20+ years in the Canadian military. He is a retired sergeant who served as a member of the Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry and served in 4 tours overseas. Jim Sinclair served 33 years in the Canadian Military. He’s a retired corporal, former member of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry and served in 4 tours overseas.Willy MacDonald served 25 years in the Canadian Military, retired Master Warrant Officer, former member of Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry and served in 6 tours overseas.Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Prophet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] the code “SNP” on all ordersGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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I'm annoyed. I'm sitting on this side and I'm annoyed. But the audio all there, new things to learn. New things to learn, folks. And I'm learning a valuable lesson on episode 970. I guess I'm not done learning things. And I guess let's get on to that tale of the tape. Our first guest spent 20 years in the Canadian military. He's a retired sergeant and served in four tours overseas. Our second guest served 33 years in the Canadian military. He's a retired corporal and served in four tours overseas. And our third guest served 25 years in the Canadian military. He's a retired master warrant officer and served in six tours overseas. I'm talking about Chuck Prodnick, Jim Sinclair, and Willie MacDonald. So buckle up.

Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman Pieger. I'm excited to have in Chuck Brodick, Jamie Sinclair, Willie MacDonald. Gentlemen, thanks for, I don't know, coming out to the new spot. Thanks for having us, Sean. It's beautiful. Yeah. Better.

It's actually better than I thought it was going to be. You literally have no wheels on your chairs. No, no wheels. And look at this. It's perfect. I'm telling you, when I was picking the chairs out, I was thinking of it you the entire time, Jamie. Thank you. No wheels on the chairs, okay.

It's comfy. I love the fucking table I was hoping you were going to bring the other one but this is better I love the whole idea round table it's perfect well so I don't forget okay

everybody here you go okay ready one there one there one there thanks buddy so as everybody knows you come in the studio everybody gets a one ounce silver coin do you realize that sucker now is worth

80 some bucks yeah god damn oh nice Thank you very much. Yeah, no doubt. I'm just going to do your show every day. Well, if you're like the brothers in playoffs, then we've got to start having bets

and only one of us gets a coin, right? Oh, speaking of coins, might as well get this over the left. Mine's in my wallet. Oh, fuck you. You got a coin? You don't like my coin anyway, so. Yeah, I know, because it's not your regimenal coin.

It's the coin I like. I don't care. Just because you like pink underwear. I don't want to see your pink underwear. Why are we playing by his rules? isn't in this year show? It is. No, these are the rules of the coin.

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We just spent five hours driving up here to see you. And I gave you a silver coin for it. You got $80? What else you got to complain about? Nothing. Nothing. Got some bowl. got good company it's all good

can't take him anywhere he hasn't changed in like 30 years I'm just getting going you want to start with the Victoria Cross shall we start there oh my God what a great thing that's been happening started with

jumping at any time there Willie or Chuck but started with obviously General Rick Hillier and he's been pushing this for years and it kind of stalemate it and now there's been a repush and Eddie Seneowski and Cliff Walker General Cliff Walker and

I don't know how I got wrangled into it but I'm very proud to be part of it to Saskatch one. We got our member of parliament or not sorry our MLA our MLAB blade McLeod got Scott Moe to make motions in the house

I had Willie down for two days. He saw everybody from the provincial government to the city mayor and everybody in between. When we were leaving the city on the last day, the last person he saw that was an official city person was a guy running the dump, and shook hands and kissed babies out there too. It was just, it was so awesome.

And lots of things were positive. I'm rarely proud of how how people conduct themselves inside of the house and how they speak with each other. Two years ago when I was there, the SAS Party were not behaving properly. They weren't giving them respect to the NDP and listening to the voters that they represented. This time when I was there, the SAS Party were listening to the NDP and being respectful. And the NDP were the ones that were acting like little children. and I had to give my,

my, uh, Blaine McLeoddy's my, he's my guy from my area. I had to give him a kudos and also with Scott, Scott Mo, uh, and he also did something really cool. So Cliff Walker,

um, we have this room. It's called 218 and out of the 70-some VCs issued to Canada, there's 15 of them in, in this one room. Then they're all Saskatchel guys. So we punch pretty high, you know,

for, for the amount of people that were in Saskatchewan, World War I, World War II to have 15 of them that's that's pretty cool so we're sitting in Scott Moe's office we're supposed to have 10 minutes with them where they're like 30 minutes 30 minutes or more and and I remember Cliff had this initiative going four years ago to get that room renamed and nothing ever happened so I mentioned the cliff I'm like hey weren't you pushing to get the name of that room moved and or changed to to something and amongst like the group of us

over there, we came across on the room of valor, or Hall of Hall of Baller. So in the house or in the ledge, they actually, Scott Moe said, Young, we're going to name 218 Hall of Baller because of all the VCs in there. And it was, it was a great day. It was a great couple of days. So it's really getting steam. And once again, Saskatchewan's leading the way. City of Regina is now the first official city to be behind us as well.

so that's that's super cool and shout out to the mayor there and all of the staff and very welcoming to us and yeah it was good yeah so i'll i'll just maybe fill in the in the gaps if if there are some gaps but uh so uh bruce munker uh and i believe he lives in manitoba now he really started this organization for this movement called valor in the presence of the enemy and and and it was kind of anchored on uh one soldier from the roll Canadian regiment named Jess La Rochelle, who, until recently, was still with us, but eventually, you know, unfortunately passed away from his injuries that he sustained in Afghanistan. And Jess's story is one of those stories that you read, and you're kind of like, okay, yeah,

this guy got the story of Military Baller, but it seems like that might not have been enough. You know, he was by himself manning an observation poster, a bunker. He was in an elevated strong point, firing a machine. gun, the, you know, the bunker gets hit with RPGs and it falls in on them and, you know, he keeps fighting and, and he resorts to, you know, M72s, which are 66 millimeter rockets and he's holding off, you know, this horde of enemy by himself and survives the ordeal, but, you know, detached retinas, broken back, missing teeth, the whole nine yards. And this is the kind of thing that you look at and you go, oh, my God, like, this is, this is something that goes above and

beyond what we typically have seen in the past. And, you know, not that we know every circumstance that happened, but so Bruce started this valent presence of the enemy. And Jess is the, is the pointy end to that. And so Rick Hillier got on board and said, hey, let's, let's find a way to, to, you know, compel the Canadian government, the federal government, to re-look at some of the citations that were issued in Afghanistan. Let's start there, right? And go back and see if any of those meet the criteria for the awarding of a Victoria Cross. And so I'll segue just to kind of give you the history of that. Up until 1993, the Victoria Cross was issued by the Commonwealth. So the British government were the issuing authority for the Victoria Cross. And, you know, for those

listeners that don't know, I'm sure everybody does, it's the highest medal for valor that a Canadian or Commonwealth soldier can receive. In 1993, Canada created its own version of the Victoria Cross. And so the last one awarded to a Canadian soldier was awarded by the Commonwealth, and that was in 1945 right at the end of the Second World War. And a Victoria Cross has not been given to a Canadian since then. Fast forward to today, all our other Commonwealth partners, Australia, the United Kingdom,

they have they have issued or they have awarded a Victoria Cross to at least one or more soldiers from their militaries through a number of different conflicts. And you think about the Korean War, we had a discussion about

the Korean War when we were with the Premier and there's arguably got to be somebody involved in that conflict that was worthy of a Victoria Cross and that just hasn't happened and so really the impetus of the whole thing

is to compel the federal government to establish an independent review board that's going to start with 24 files of Acts of Valor in Afghanistan to take a look at these particular scenarios and

determine whether or not the criteria has been met for the awarding of Victoria Cross. And so that's kind of how we ended up at the mayor's office and at the Premier's office and in the legislature in Saskatchewan and and Jamie's MLA, uh, Blaine, he, he raised the motion and said, you know, I'd like to, you know, formally raise a motion that the Saskatchewan government put its, its horsepower sort of behind this and requests that the federal government establish this independent review board. So I know that's a really long explanation but i think that background is and and to add to this and and can't forget about it is

uh senator marty klein he actually uh wrote put a put a bill for a private members bill in the senate for the same thing so we've got uh scott mow we've got the city mayor and we got an sitting senator uh that read a private members bill and on think it was friday about getting this uh this reopened and so the push is hard and and just something cool and i don't know if chuck wants to jump in on this but the the victoria cross is melted down iron from a seized cannon i think it was a spanish cannon that the british captured so there's only so much of the steel left right so now that the common mold nations have become independent and such the english want to keep the remaining steel for their own Victoria Crosses.

So that's how precious this material is. And it doesn't mean that the metal is more precious, you know, like once they give it to a deserving person. And it just seems like it's like we've got this list, or there should be a list of checkboxes. You know, you check so many boxes, you get this metal. And then there's no politics. There's no nothing that.

that can interfere with that because once you check all the boxes wherever you end up is that that's your medal and if you check them all then issue out the victoria cross like it's that simple but there's politics and there's there's you know people saying different things there's not from the right regiment or whatever's all being said behind doors and that's that's what we got to try and get rid of and just before you guys showed up to lunch sean and i were talking just about that part with the politics and it's so ingrained in it now that like i know at least on our oh six tour when we we recommended guys for things on certain certain days where they definitely did more than that standard day required of them and i didn't know till a couple years later and i knew this

because the two couple of i won't use their names with a couple of the in people that i'd coursed with on an interrogation course worked in the talk there then they wound up in Ottawa together and they're like your your metals are they're going nowhere like the ones you guys got right after the tour that's it all this other stuff it's gone they don't like western units that's as simple as that yeah but the same thing happened to the royals as well like this young man i've read his story i read it's an incredible yeah after action report slash like story of what this guy did and he's not the only royal a lot of fantastic warriors from their unit as well um but his is an incredible story and the fact that it's taking that there's even a discussion that this guy

and several others shouldn't have this medal is yeah the the independent piece of the whole initiative i think is really important and and i say that because and i'll use brice keller as an example you know uh brice keller unfortunately lost his life on august 3rd 2006 he was a c6 machine gunner uh you know holding back uh the the the giant horde of enemies that we're trying to overwhelm us. And, you know, there's three foot, four foot flames coming off the end of that machine gun. It's 50 degrees Celsius. He's clearly a target.

But he knows he has to be there and he knows he has to support everybody because we had some casualties already and whatnot. Anyway, I had submitted, you know, a witness statement and I filled out all the paperwork. There's always bureaucracy involved in this stuff. And at the time when you do that, and I don't know what it's like now, you're not saying, this person deserves X. You're generally writing the narrative, telling the story, and then there's an honors and awards committee that is going to determine the appropriate level of decoration,

you know, and or whether or not it even happens. And so for Bryce Keller, I submitted that paperwork on August the 4th, the very next day, and it came back probably within, you know, two or three days saying, this guy was only doing his job. And so the point I'm kind of getting at is,

is I had to resubmit. that paperwork three times until at the time, Colonel Anderson, who retired as a general, eventually said, okay, Task Force and Ryan needs a review. We're going to establish a new honors and awards committee. We're going to review all the statements and everything else that went in that was forgotten because they're just doing their jobs and take a look at whether or not we've done the right thing and and a number of metals came out of that that process and mentions and dispatch and whatnot but you know I think equally as important check the point I'm getting at is that we're so hard on ourselves when it comes to achieving a standard and jamie is

100% right there's a checklist if you meet the criteria you meet the criteria um but we arbitrarily decided that no that person was just doing their job so they don't get anything and it's just like man I'm not okay with that no and we know the difference between the day in day out I don't want to make combat sound routine or what we went through as routine but there were day in and day out things that you did on it

but then there's the Bryce Kellers there's a fucking Eric Qualche yeah yeah totally yeah totally the same incident same battle Willie's got a guy's got turniquets on his arms and his legs can't move begs to get back behind his gun like that's not

that's not doing your job you know yeah that's and we're and beyond for sure I really had no concept about the metal thing I had no idea about it um Dave Anderson gave me a call

after the tour at home like this can't be fucking good if the colonel the new guy the new guy in charge of you is calling me at home I'm like what the fuck did I do now which is usually something I was doing what do again John

something i shouldn't have been doing um but if the colonel's calling you it can't be good and he's like you're going to ottawa you're getting an m i mentioned in dispatches for this thing this day and i'm like oh so i didn't cool like great i get you know you're kind of proud of yourself as you would be it's not for a good day though so that's always been a confliction for me like it's a bad The reason I got mine was for a very bad day. I don't like that. I'd give that back for other people to have had a better day. But I get to Ottawa.

And me and Scotty Shipway were there for the same incident, an IED. I got his name on my jersey. He's no longer with us. He died on our next tour in 08. We'll talk about that later. So Scotty and I go there. And Scotty, Scotty did like to drink a little.

From Saskatchewan. Just a little. He could have gone pro. And I was going pro right beside him at the time. And we get there. We had no idea what was going on. This was not normal for us. Our tour was not a normal tour.

Our tour was well beyond the scope of what we'd really done since Korea as an army, as a unit. And we get there and I see baby Gerber. I'm not going to say his real name, but our old O.C. I see several other officers that were talk officers and some other weenies that never left the camp. And I'm like, I wonder what they're doing here.

If they're just here for the show, they got an invite or what's going on? They're there for you, Chuck. Are they here to celebrate Chuck? This could be a thing. It should be a thing. But anyway. Starts the day.

It starts today. There's a movement. Get in front of Scott Moe and get that going. But anyway, all these awards, and I don't even know, there's all three-letter awards that mean that you literally showed up in Afghanistan and got a tan and I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone

who earned something I'm not but when you showed up and you get some administrative award that you get to wear on here now it's part of your fucking signature block for the rest of your life and that's what it is is officers awarding other officers a little a thing an out of way for coming out thing and then you know you start to hear some of the other stuff you start to hear that you know posthumously that vaughan ingrams and some other ones and you know scotty and i get called up for ours and we weren't the only ones there were other people there um we get called up and you're like it was the first time i went who in the fuck is deciding who gets this stuff like who's deciding who gets what because my my former OC sitting over there was an utter

coward in combat and you know that and i know that he was the he was literally the the guy from band of brothers that was like, I'm going back to regiment as soon as it got, like we just joked about that all day long with the guy because he was utterly, maybe coward's too strong. But it's whatever's just below coward, Muppet of some sort.

Anyway, like, but he wasn't the only one. And I'm looking at this row of guys who just got their, and they're proud of it. The worst part is, is there's no shame in them about, you know, like,

the thing that they got for literally some of them was like, well, he managed to keep the logistical. side of socks and underwear from falling apart on calf and I'm like good for you like good for you yeah I don't disagree I think there's some value in in like if you think of the like Dan McLeod's yeah yeah yeah you know the supply tax that that made sure we had bullets made sure we had beans made sure we had all that stuff and and to a certain extent you know went beyond what you would think the scope of a supply technician absolutely mechanics medics yeah yeah but I was going to say

that, you know, the funny thing is that the popular history of why medals are awarded, and this is my understanding of it, and if you guys have a different understanding, jump in and tell me was, you know, way back in the old days, you know, the soldiers were not compensated monetarily very well. And so some British officer, whomever it was, said, well, let's give them a, let's give them a medal because it's going to make them feel special and it will replace us having to give them all this money. And, and so that's, that's how it, it, what my understanding of popular history is, is that how, that's how they came about.

That's why the military wears metals. And if that's the case, I see it a bit differently. No, like, like I actually read this. And what I'm saying is this is not just my opinion. This is something that I read that said, this is why metals were, were originally created was to replace the financial compensation to keep the soldiers from mutiny, basically. And if that's true, then it kind of flies in the face of, you know, officers giving other officers medals, right, because the way I, the way, I look at it, if you go back to the Roman, the Romans, like they, they created professional soldier.

So as you, as you do different campaigns and you become different, like the berserkers or whatever, like you would have, you would have badges of honor of what, what campaigns you were in and you would wear it on your, on your suit of art. so when you look at a soldier like okay he's got this this and that yeah i i know he's got some experience you know um and and that that's how i envision like the modern day medals and maybe maybe there was for monetary old things but but it's like wearing your resume and going back to to these medals and and some of the best soldiers i've ever worked with never had a fucking metal no no and and if if they didn't keep the standards high through the cold war they could have

very easily like said we're not going to train as hard in the winter we're not going to do the the ranges like we can like when it's raining or whatever they they could have made life so much easier for themselves and for anybody they trained under them but the cold warrior that that kept the standards high that learned from Korean war vets and World War two vets and and and they suffered a alongside with us out in the ranges and all patrolling competitions and in battle school instructing men like ourselves how to do war properly. If it wasn't for those guys, we might not be sitting here right now. So when you see a soldier and they have nothing on their on their chest but they're grizzly and old, they give them some respect because they, the worst enemy you'll

ever fight in war is complacency and complacency kills like don't give like it's it's a harmless thing out there but the second you let your guard down and you're not vigilant that's when shit hits the fan that last two weeks of a tour and the enemy they look for that they look for the platoon that's weakest they hit and they're going to hit the complacent patune they're not going to hit the fucking hard charger petun because their chances of survival and they they knew our rotation so they knew when we were new and they knew when we were about to leave so you'd be sorely tested early on and then your last little bit they'd be like because you're just thinking about home you're like fuck this place i'm done with this and anybody i worked with anybody remember cooper yeah

so cooper was such a devoted husband he had a bunch of kids his wife left him left him a dear john letter put a hangar dane down his flacknass and blew himself up he was in our section but this guy this guy was just like so in love with his wife like we'd be on 32 kilometer marches he'd have like a picture of her in his helmet and shit so after that anybody that would think about leave or talk about leave that i was directly working with i'd tell them to shut the fuck up like watch your arcs i don't care about what you're going to do on leave i i care about what you're going to do next like like do not think and if you had a calendar in your iso trailer of when you're going on leave i'd fucking throw it in a garbage like you're not going on leave to the sergeant tells you

you to get the fuck on the truck and go and leave you're you're here to do a job and you're to keep me alive and i'm going to keep you alive so stop talking about your family and your goddamn girlfriend and and and what's going on at home didn't you dial school you had a couple girls above your mirror yeah yeah yeah he probably asked you battle school boys they were got out of a pitcher book i didn't even know their days i remember them walking around the corner and we were like to your pictures of the girls and the sergeants were like, what the fuck is? To your point check, I think, I think your posture,

I think the way you look, you know, how you roll, Jamie's not wrong, you make a hard target, you're not wrong if you present a hard target. You don't know how many times somebody didn't shoot at you or ambush you or anything because they were like, yeah, these guys look like they know what they're doing. How many times did you hear on the ICOM scan? not these guys not with these guys yeah yeah and you'd hear that must have a pretty good feeling

it it wasn't it wasn't because you're like wanted to kill them we wanted me the funniest one i heard was when we're when we're pushing back after we were up in uh saving the brids and we're pushing so in helman yeah yeah the the actual taliban commanders were arguing with each other over the icons it's your turn to fight to canadians and and the guys like i'm not ready yet and the guy's like Well, I have no money to fight them with. They're all dead. I think, actually, I think we may have touched on this in one of the, in one of your previous show, Sean, but Chuck and I were involved in a fight on July the 12th of 2006.

I hear about it. At the end of that fight, when the sensitive site exploitation was happening and we found all this opium and cash and it was actually in the news, we also found leaflets that were basically like um you know canada's the enemy and and we were we were like we did it we did it we're big we're in the big leagues now yeah yeah because they were distributing propaganda saying that hey the canadians are not friendly and they're going to kill you and we were like well it's about goddamn time because up till then they were quite frequently just they're just different americans or some other sort of american or and then you could hear them on the i cam go

ICOM scanner going, these aren't Americans. They're fucking killing everything. Yeah. And they're not afraid. And they're not afraid. It didn't matter if there was four of us in a stack or a platoon of us that should have been a company objective. Like all that training side of things was nice.

But when you get into the reality of it, you guys running around as a platoon with half dozen dismounts going after dudes, we just attacked all the time. Like it was just so much better to attack. Just give you an idea. So Canada dragged their feet. at the time they they picked a province to take over that province was already taken by some other NATO country in Europe so we ended up with like fucking the wild west and they had two thousand fighting Americans in that province of Kandahar that we took over with 400 some odd

fighters so in the wisdom of fucking general Fraser he also made out of that 400 some odd news he He's like, and you're going to send guys on leave. So that's 21 days off for, and a 30-year platoon is gone. So now we go from like 400-some-odd fighters down to like 300 and a bit. So we're fighting in an area that 2,000 Americans fought in. Now we're fighting in Hellman as well. So we're fighting in two provinces and kick it ass everywhere we go. It was, it was fucking.

Yeah, we just didn't have the ability to hold ground. and so we fought over the same objectives time and time and time and actually i i got to make a correction about this because i and i think i said this to chuck and i actually apologize to all the canadian veterans over in afghanistan then because i said this wrong i said the yanks lost like hundreds of guys there we lost 158 and i made it sound like it was not as much of a compromise as the americans but we only sent a very small portion of fighters that were there and we lost 158. So when you do the math, our contribution for fighting in Afghanistan in those 14 years was more of a death toll than the Americans had per capita and we had also more wounded than the

Americans. So that's my apology to all the veterans out there that I didn't honor them. the sacrifice properly and I hope you forgive me for that but that's that's yeah I mean it's no different than you know and and you're not wrong per capita yeah we we sustained more casualties but battlefield medicine evolved very very quickly between like let's say 2000 and 2010 and you know we were using quick clot and then quick clot was damaging uh it was damaging the skin and it was creating it was making more problems than it was solving and so then we had hemcon or hema con I say that's still bullshit

Like at first when we got there They weren't going to let us use any of this stuff In Croatia 93 You can't put it in IV Jamie In Croatia 93 We were learning how to put in IVs in each other We get the fucking war zone The medics were so protective of their job

They wouldn't let us learn out To use IVs in QuickClaught And we're like guys This is going to save people's lives They weren't even going to let us use turniquets Finally we convinced command And we convince command, like, we got to do this. Like, we're fucking, this is ridiculous.

Yeah. And we were lucky. Thank God we did. Because, like, that quick clot, the fucking turn to get the IV training, it saved lives. Absolutely did. I don't care. Anybody says, like, yes, the materials got better because of combat environments. Like, you know, there's always a better way to do something.

And, you know, got to always give the Americans a lot of house. I always give the Americans a plug, man. They gave us the support that we needed to evacuate our wounded, evacuate our dead, make sure that we were resupplied appropriately. And, you know, we did some really, really cool stuff. But, I mean, we could, we could, the three of us could tell war stories all day. But Sean's just sitting here quietly. And I know we strayed off the Victoria Cross.

This is what I do. do. I bring people in and then let them do their thing. But we want to fucking heckle you a bit about, you know, the, the heckle me about. Yes, yes. The 17th of March is come, or January is coming up. We're just finding out where our hotel is. You were going to drive us around in your little fucking Suzuki fucking little car. Yeah, no problem getting in it coming out here today, did you? Now it's all a sudden a problem. But we need a paddle man because there's a lot, there's lots of people so what they're talking about is they're talking about the mash bill folks all three these gentlemen

are going to be there in calmar alberta and they are looking for a safe ride home from the curling rink to the hotel that's what they're looking for and uh i'll just leave it there because they they obviously don't want to get in my vehicle because they got what you got to organize a panel what did you say you got you got you got team staff you got a masseuse yes yes we got equipment we got equipment to bring uh-huh We got broomgirls. Got trainers. Got trainers.

Got maususes. Got coaches. We're professional. We got three coaches, actually. We almost had an Olympian on our team. Yeah. Bruce Ebert. Ben.

Or Ben Heenhebert. Bruce is the dad. And he's like, no, I'm going to win this. So what you guys are saying is you're gunning to win the mash bill. Oh, fuck yeah. We win. That's our job. Even if we got to cheat.

Tews might have something to say about that. I'm sure Tews is. Tews has been, you know... We got corn brooms. Yeah, and Scottish hats. You're out and sweaters. We might not have to have an award for the best dressed. How's that, Jamie?

Well, why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? That'd be foolish not to. You know, going back to the Victoria Cross for a second. You're talking, so it's been 80 years on the button since the last one was... Pretty much. Right, we're finishing off 2025. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Canada brought in their own Victoria Cross in 93. Yeah. They were told to because they're not letting any more that medal leave England. So they're told to, and then they promptly mothball it and don't do anything with it. Yeah. Yeah. I think politically, there's another aspect to it as well. When you hand out a medal like the Victoria Cross or even other combat type medals, not these, I did my logistic.

job medals there's such a trend in Canada from the government on through to just regular people to just be like I don't want a reminder that we were in a shooting war I've heard that from people more than a few times it's one of the reasons we don't have a

Hollywood push of any sort to get a the young fellow they were just talking about from the RCR Jess is first yeah his his story is one of dozens that could be made into some blockbuster to honor what he did

but there's no that doesn't exist here and that mentality of like well if I if I hand out this medal to these guys it acknowledges that there was combat and that we were in combat yeah I know but it comes at the time where military is like

in the like toilet there's nobody in our Canadian military and they're trying to boost numbers and they're talking about boat, you know, we talked about it last time, all society, like Finland, what do they call that? Oh, they're supplemental reserve.

Yeah, and it's all, all, like conscripts. Yeah, all of society, military, I'm butchering it. I forget how they term it in Finland. And I'm like, well, actually, if you just want to boost morale and point people to go to the military, a Victoria Cross being awarded would be a good thing because, you know, You look at them not paying, going back to your story, Willie. They didn't, are you going to complain about the chairs now? No, my hip's killing me.

You know, wait a second. Yeah, be sitting all day. The chairs don't have rollers off, right? I'm going to take a hammer and knock off all the wheels. And then he gets in here and all of a sudden the chair. Oh, my, I love it. He needs to replay. I love it.

I got you. Just when you go to the bar, stand at the bar. I can stand, I can stretch. He can walk around and talk to everyone. And when that was up the last place, they could get up and go for a piss. Coming back to it. So Willie,

you were saying that they created the Victoria Cross, roughly, in something you read, that it was a way not to have to pay them more. Just medals in general. Right, yeah. The other thing I think is medals in general is propaganda is not the right word.

Morale. But it's good for morale. And so when you're a country right now, trying to boost the morale and boost recruitment and everything else, Victoria Cross would go a long way. Yeah.

Because it would paint the military, you know, like this could, this could be you. The British, you could, I mean, not that you want to go through some of this.

But that can't be the reason. No, no, no, no. It has to be that it is, that it is hands down, a clear example of,

you've met the criteria and you deserve this, and we made a mistake. I think that's where it needs to be. I 100% agree with you. I'm not trying to, um, undermine what you guys are doing whatsoever.

I just look at the Canadian government and I'm like anytime you try and interject common sense into like what you guys are talking about right it's like a checklist and I might argue the independent panel that decides this should probably be all guys who have served so they could just be like oh yeah like look at this or this is well here here's the thing and I've already seen this and I've been this is my my two cents I've been putting up as high as I can is that it seems like they want to reinvent the wheel I'm like, guys, the Brits do this, the Australians do this, the New Zealanders do this, the Americans do this, they all go back, don't reinvent the deal,

because you're just going to fucking create more chaos and more time. Send a committee, go to every nation, figure out what they're doing and what the best system is, and adopt it. Like, this isn't something where we've got to spend 10 years talking about this. Yeah, but that's common sense, Jamie. And let's go with it. You don't think the Canadian government is going to find a way to put bureaucracy on top of bureaucracy to drag this out for 20 years? I need a steering committee, Jim, if I'm being honest.

Yes, yes. So here's the other thing. And you're alluding to this and we're dancing around it. And I've said this. I've even said this to you. Like our number one currency in this country is it's the blood in the body of Canadians. And that's what's paid for this country. And when you're, when, when you sacrifice all, that that's not, not saying that,

that Victoria Cross is worth that sacrifice. Because really when, when you're in those situations, you're dying for that guy and that guy. Yeah, it's a recognition of that. It's a recognition. But you're giving recognition at the highest form. And that's not from the Canadian government. That's from every Canadian in the, in the country saying, Thank you for your sacrifice.

Well, I, that's what it's all about you. I can't, I can't agree with you anymore. I'm just like, so why does a government get to control? I mean, I think Chuck, I think Chuck's 100% right. And, and I think there's an aspect of this that when you award a medal for something that was done in the presence of the enemy, which is why the whole grassroots initiative is called valor in the presence of the enemy, you're acknowledging that we were at war. and you know Canada technically hasn't been at war since World War II and so they're you know

Jamie's talked about this the Madak pocket in 1993 and the second battalion of the patricias and and holding the line against uh you know um a massive force and you know those guys came home to obscurity uh they they came home feeling proud of what they did and what they accomplished And we're basically told, you know, coming off the plane, don't talk about this, don't talk about this, don't talk about this. Jim Campbell was our prime minister at the time, and she publicly stated, no Canadians are in combat in Croatia. And these guys are fucking killing Croats and Serbs.

And it was like chaos. And going back to it, like you brought up a great point is Canada's, this is the first time Canada's been trying to put a foot on things. when the second battalion stopped the entire Chinese army at Capillon, they reissued a presidential citation from the United States because they saved South Korea. And the Canadian government would not let them wear their presidential citation. And the Patricia said, fuck you, we're wearing it.

And the medals that should have been awarded at Capion would have been given to the Canadian government to look at the push on to England for, VCs or whatever they're probably so pissed off at what the patricians did they just threw it all in the garbage like it's it's that kind of bullshit we've got to get away from I've heard and you might know you probably know far better than I some of my in friends they're not in anymore but when they were talking about the the metal basically the review board that looks at it all there's people from at least people from the three infantry regiments and that one winter tour warrior

regiment blocked so much stuff because they were the Vandu because they were I mean really what did they they had nothing they could do for themselves so they just blocked and blocked and said and vetoed and vetoed and vetoed and I heard that firsthand from a couple people not in the room maybe but definitely with their ear to the door kind of thing in the hallways yeah hearing that those blocks were just political and our people and the and the royals who deserve them as well just got yeah and i and i think i think if you if you were to arguably put a patricia or a royal you know um and they become a veto power and and you know the van do say hey this is this is our our guy or our gal uh we would probably veto that

as well just you know depending on who the person is but you know interestingly enough and and I was thinking about this when I was driving out here. And I shared this story a couple of different times, but the War Diary for Task Force and Ryan in 2006, and we weren't overseas, it doesn't exist. Somebody scooped it up. It never made it back to Canada. So at the time, DHS, I don't know if they're called DHS anymore,

the Directorate of History and Heritage, that's where all this stuff goes in Ottawa. It's like a giant library, and they keep it all. and it's what they use to form the basis of our history. And so when I was working in Ottawa, I went to DHHH for a tour, and I said to the historian there, oh, do you have the war diary from Task Force or anything? He goes, no, we don't have, it doesn't exist.

It never made it back. And I go, so how do you know what that battle group did? And he goes, well, there's a difference between factual history and popular history. And he goes, factual history is it was written down at the time it was happening. which is what the War Diary is. It's basically a transcript of the radio transmissions. And then there's popular history, which is the word of mouth, people telling stories. And if they line up sort of similarly, then it becomes popular history. And I'm like, okay. So, so what can you tell me then about like Task Force of Ryan? And he's, and he basically said,

well, I'm going to tell you this. Task Force of Ryan from January to the end of August of 2006 went through more bullets. and more fuel than the next three battle groups combined. And he goes, when we talk about popular history, we have to look at this and go, is it possible that they were in all these places at all these times? And they go, yeah, of course, because they burned 17 million gallons of JP8 or whatever, right?

And so I found it very interesting because when you look at that metric and you think to yourself, okay, more bullets, more fuel, they couldn't measure food because our food was catered by the Americans. um catered is a strong word yeah yeah but when you think about it and you and you think about the fact that you know in a eight month nine month period there was a battle group that went through more bullets and more fuel than the next three combined that's pretty significant yeah oh yeah one one thing he's not mentioning but i i know he knows this is that although we didn't keep our war diary

the british army did the the american army did the dutch did so when we saved the British in whatever town that was, that's recorded history in England. Okay, that's not. So you could go get in theory, you could go get it. When Willie would call in air strikes, his name is Slayer,

whatever it was, Slayer 6-6, they'll be recorded history in the American archives of the airstrikes that he called in on whatever enemy that was described. So that, those were, every time we were talking to the Yanks, like that stuff is recorded somewhere like that's captured it's what our fucking officers

you know failed the fucking do and and it's it's complete yeah i don't think i don't think that this is the tinfoil hat side of me which is quite a lot of me but i don't think it wasn't that the diary wasn't scooped or brought and this links to the documentary somebody has it somebody has it and i believe it's somebody in ottawa has it because when kesterson went to release the documentary at the museum he had permission from the museum he had permission from ottawa they're going to do his screening this is years ago now and somebody in otto said no we will not endorse this documentary because we don't know it doesn't it doesn't jive with the narrative you know and scott's like your boy i go he's like cbc literally uses this footage

on your remembrance day stuff like your your news stations have blasted some of this footage for a couple years and you won't support the documentary being shown in your regimental museum and it wasn't the regiment shut him down somebody in ottawa at the highest level said no we're not getting behind a documentary that shows our guys at war and to me it just it all links into as long as we don't talk about a war any war that our boys ran and like i think will he said a minute ago we haven't officially been at a declared war since world war two um it just doesn't it goes away in the military just gets mothballed again and then why do we really need them and that kind of thing and so that's

what kesterson and i were still talking that was kind of the thing that came up a few times he's like it's all he could think he's like he goes and then he goes ottawa on top of not wanting to endorse the thing to be shown at the red room museum guys were like this is patricius this is this is the most combat footage and he was willing to give them the unedited stuff too like the documentary is an hour and 20 minutes nicely edited he's got days of us in combat or in between combat you know it's a it's a treasure trove of of us stuff you know and and the museum's like yes please and scott after the ottawa thing said no i won't do that then ottawa said to scott well we'd like your footage for training purposes and scott's like you ain't getting that

either you don't get to poo us because we said jundi or something that wasn't politically correct or we were sometimes we were dirty and unshaven and i said bad things when i shot people you know like like i was swearing i was very mean spirited when i was you know being shot at someone was trying to kill you somebody's trying to kill me and i had some hard words but like you don't get to poo-poo that as the realism of combat and then go but we want this for training purposes to scott very wisely of scott no more no more using the word poo-poo or pew-poo okay jack we're men here can say shit fuck damn come on let your tarantso for I thought you were going to say because it makes you want to have a pooh-poo.

Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Hurry. Stop it. I like a bunch of children. Poo-poo-poo. No, fuck you too.

Jesus Christ. But anyway, maybe I'm down a conspiracy hole there. I don't know, but it sure seems like it, and I'm not, not blaming just liberals. The conservatives are guilty of it, too. Oh, yeah. You know, they're just as deep in it together. Well, Kim Campbell was a conservative. She was saying.

What was she prime minister for five whole minutes or something? Yeah. It doesn't matter. And I don't even think we need to go down that rabbit hole. I think it really just revolves around the fact that there are some, there are some folks out there, some that are still with us, some that aren't that are deserving of the. And there's a push to see this happen.

Yeah, it's the petition is E661, I believe. It's too late to sign up to them. No, yeah, it's already, it got enough signatures. It was, it was just south of 17,000. and my understanding is it's going to be tabled in the house either beginning or in beginning of March there you go and it's private members bill and and from what I understand it's probably going to get the support it needs to to to actually succeed however you know we've done this exercise before there was a previous petition

and and it got squashed but admittedly and I think Rick Hilliers even said this, it was just really not the best timing to table that petition because it was right before a federal election. Our former prime minister was doing everything he could to tear down every Canadian institution, including the Canadian Armed Forces. And so it just had no hope of seeing the light of day. So I think this one does, and I think the timing is better. And I think the fact that, and you know, we got to give a lot of credit to the government

of Saskatchewan for putting. their horsepower behind it because it's going to be dominoes right the other provinces will will likely follow suit i hope they do and and well i i would think alberta would be uh likely well and this this is what i wanted to get into like and although it's too late to sign that petition uh that petition petition it doesn't mean you can't get a hold of your mLA like in if you're in nova scotia or you're in the ucon or northwest territories are not a or Alberta, get a hold of your MLA, liberal or conservative or NDP, and say, hey, listen, I support this and get on the phone and write them a letter because that is what, it's been

the ground, this has been from bottom up, right? So leadership always comes up with all these great ideas. Until something comes from the bottom up, then leadership goes, oh, look what those guys are doing, let's copy it and carry on, right? Like, so this is a bottom-up movement and leadership is supporting it. And the last time we talked about this, about the VC, I don't know how long ago that years, like a year ago now or six months ago. And I was talking about it on with you.

I've had people come up to me like, is this VC thing or real thing that I should be talking to my MLA about? I'm like, goddamn right it is. And they wrote letters and they phone people. Like, so just because that that's over with doesn't mean. you can't get on the phone or you can't write a letter. Like, the more information being sent down east, the better. And to our members of Parliament.

And yes, and Alberta is definitely going to jump on board. Like, why wouldn't they? You know, like, there's no reason in the world that the sacrifice of many shouldn't be acknowledged. And if you're not behind this, like, you've got to really have a really good reason why. And I can't see one. do you do you have uh hill your ear at all oh yeah yeah ask them where our combat action badges are oh yeah that's never gonna have that combat action badge thing so so so we'll segue into that maybe so you know how the americans have the combat combat infantryman's badge do you know i don't

but sure so it's a it's a like jamie was talking about the romans wearing you know campaign stuff on their on their uh their armor and stuff so the americans have the combat infantryman's badge and it's you know it's a rifle with a with a blue background and it's surrounded by i don't know oh leaps it's a brown best rifle from the revolutionary anyway and essentially what it means when you see somebody wearing that is that they've been engaged in combat and so uh the in particular the canadian infantry association and and all the the troops were like hey we want some acknowledgement that we were in combat to distinguish us from the fucking mean encounters.

And so they did, they did an in-depth sort of, you know, steering committee and, you know, boards and all this stuff, the normal bureaucracy. They spend a million dollars to wind up at, they did nothing. Yeah, and then they came up with this. It was going to get too political. They came up with this thing where it's like, okay, there's going to be three. Correct. Three levels.

There's going to be three levels of combat action badge. That's what we're going to call it, the cab. just fucking pedestrian on the on the battlefield and you know bronze silver and gold or whatever it was and you know based on the the amount of combat whether it was direct or indirect so you were in an IED event or you were in a shooting event or whatever was going to determine your level and it got so

it turned into such a cluster and this is why we can't let this happen that they went we can't fucking do this So my second tour over, and I only bring this up because you mentioned Hillier and I know you guys like him and all that. But I, anyway, love him out there. You're listening. I know. But when we were at the Red Devil Inn and he was there that night and he said, I was bodyguard.

He's like, boys, you're going to get one. You're going to get one. And we're like, cool. Because the Americans that we were with, they're getting them for the same shit that we were in at the, you know, they're seeing. Well, a lot of us got the American one from the Americans because we fought beside the Americans. Their leadership went, these guys deserve this CIB. That's why I like my coin because I got that for shit we were doing. Whatever. The regiment didn't give me no coin for doing

stuff. Yeah, you back and graduating. Yeah. Oh, you didn't show up. You had to earn that back in our day. Yeah, you did. Anyways, so this infantry combat thing, I can speak to this. So I was in my last time I was in Afghanistan. You know what I was envisioning bringing the military boys here for the first time. You guys are doing a great trip. There's no broken glass here yet. No, no. We haven't fucking wrecked anything.

I haven't peed in this bottle yet, but I'm going to. I'm looking for a pill. I can't leave the table once you sit down. I need a tube. We're almost an hour in and Jamie hasn't used the bathroom yet. I'm fucking squirming. I'm ready to go. That's why you're hip-serving.

Get through your story. I hope you. Don't worry about it. So anyways, I'm in a forwarding base called bailo and we're the most heavily attacked camp in all afghanistan at the time in zabul province and they were flying americans in there like it was a leave center american officers because they were guaranteed to get into a gunfight and then they'd a week there and then they'd go back to kandahar and then they'd bring another group home and it was because you can't progress as as a like an officer

unless you have combat match so they were flying these guys in there like 30 and at time and they were just there to get shot at and uh and that's that's what this turns into so it can in a way in a way i totally i totally get why they got rid of this thing because you know there's americans out there that that are fucking truly legit gunfighters yeah and then there's a guy that fucking count socks in the back of a bin truck that a rocket came over his fucking camp and he's got one so it kind of it kind of takes away from it's got a really nice ptie TSD pension too. Oh yeah. My second tour in 08, so just got back, went retrained and went back in 08, they were in this, this thing that Willie was talking about where you do

this bureaucratic amount. You get into a gunfight and then you fill out paperwork to say this is the kind of gunfight I was in. This is where it was. These are the people that were with me. This is how close the bullets were. This is how scared I was. Yeah, you got that granular. It was it was. It was ridiculous, but it was so ridiculous that my OC at the time, and I never went overseas with the good O.C. It doesn't seem like. Thankfully, I had Renee Keynes as our Sardt Major. But anyway...

He's a beast. Jesus, Jamie. So... So, we're patrolling at night, Kandahar, dismounted for some reason. I'll give it this. Jamie in the old studio, he was a heck of a lot quieter

on getting in and out of his chair. Oh, he was a ninja. Yeah, not so much anymore. no no so it just went like every every fight we were getting in in a way we were doing the stupid paperwork to say oh here's what we did and here's here's the manifest and all the crap my platoon or my sorry my company commander hadn't been in a gunfight yet goes out with one of these night patrols for some reason they get in a massive gunfight and i'm the QRF leader for this this night so i'm like oh quick reaction force quick reaction force so i spool the boys up

we get we're about fucking hell did we so we're about to go out the wire to get into this to go somewhere in Kandahar and I don't even know where we're going to get into a gunfight and it comes over the radio stand down the QRF it was blue on blue

so blue on blue means friendly there was a friendly shooting incident and it was a private contracted team securing a compound somewhere in Kandahar somehow in a 10 minute gun fight nobody got shot nobody got hit which doesn't speak well to either side to be honest but um at the end of it all they come back to camp it's now like sun's coming up and i'm like boys we're stood down let's go eat going to the little defack on uh dining facility

a dining facility on uh was a camp i'm the acronym guy the camp nathan smith there uh cns yeah that's the one yeah who fucking cares so we're so we're walking to the mess hall the defact and in comes my company commander with the sergeant major

and he's beaming and bright and happy and I'm like how's it going sir and he's like I'm just going to my office I'm going to put in the paperwork for our combat action badge and I looked at him and I could take him

Renee Keynes is like Bradnick and I'm like combat action badge you're a 10 minute tick with yourself with friendlies with the friendly unit with Yosemite Sam so he's like he looks at me and he's like

well it still counts and I'm like I'm kind of I'm about to lose I'm about to have a chuck here and and Keynes is like Prodnick and he's like Sergeant Prodnick and I'm like I'm like this you're not getting a combat action badge for blue on blue I go I'll give you a dozen or two of mine

from the other tour this tour like you and I'm like just about to go to control my boys grab me and they're like very wisely get me out of there before I could sewer myself any further but you know I was like this is what like Willie said this is what it turns into is I heard a loud fart and now I'm putting in for it's a good thing we didn't do it it's like because at the end day like we know who did what and and that and that goes back like so not not not to bring my experience into to whatever like there's situations that have that have happened where you don't think you deserve something uh you get something for for doing something and

and you're you're you're thankful but you think you're just doing your own job because really you you know that the guys know right so now that i've gotten out of the army and and and uh now you're like okay well the guys that I used to work with that respected what you've done and such and you're humble about how you you don't talk about it or whatever we

used to do. Now that I've got a family it's like well fuck like you know I want them to know about certain things I did and the reason why I did it and it means something to you then as you get older. So you know

and you know we're not trying to bring these metals out for for any of us or anything like that but it's for somebody like if lorette uh uh jess jess family gets that or his names in is going to be like behind that metal that's what it's about and that's what can'tians can get behind and nobody here is looking for more shiny stuff yeah it's it's nothing it's this isn't for that yeah and uh you know we're not going to get into into like you know like other medals that we've received this this isn't for for what we've done this is for what Canadians that that have done them ultimate thing for our country that and they deserve it

it's got to be it's got to be brought back to light and if they look at it honestly and nobody gets it well then at least as veterans we can say okay well at least it was it was an honest look and no one deserves it so we can we can be at ease that It just seems odd that in 80 years, not a single Canadian soldier's deserving of it. You know, it just seems, it seems. Well, Chuck, we know that somebody is. You know, I'm just saying. Oh, we know.

Yeah, yeah. And not somebody. There's probably a handful. There's more than a handful that are deserving. I hate to deviate from, from, but I'm, I want to get, you know, I want to get your thoughts on, like, how wars changed. Uh, usually I bring up something that I've read and one of the, you know, so everybody's been talking about drone warfare, right? And all the drones and, you know, what they can accomplish compared to, you know, the millions upon millions of dollars on different technology. The one I was telling you guys on the way out here, I didn't even think it was possible. Well, I don't know if I didn't think it was possible. I just never heard about it before, but it was submersible drones. So drones in water. Have you guys been reading about this? Is this just John living under a rock and finally it came to my attention? Well, yeah, they're drone tech.

I mean, they've been using drones to, well, the first one I can think of underwater was the one that they found liquid for the Titanic. You know, that kind of idea, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, the tech now, that's 30 years ago or so. I mean, so now they're flying around under there or swimming around under there, whatever they're doing under there. And it's just like the air ones now. Well, you got to think about like, like, so. So drone technologies come a long way. So drones need like a satellite or radio frequency to give them guidance to how they're

going to go to attack, right? So let's think about how that's evolved. So they come up with jamming systems to take these drones down or try and block the signals from satellites, right? So then they go to a guided wire system like our tow system where you use the Russian ones or the Sager system. So it's a thin steel wire that sends a signal to that drone. It carries a spool of wire as it flies for like five kilometers or 10 kilometers

how far these spools are. And then they can hit something and they can't be jammed. So let's think about an underwater drone. How does that underwater drone get to a naval base and then attack something? So in my mind, it's got a mothership that slowly moves at the surface where it can have a a connection with a satellite it gets within that 10 kilometer striking range now it uses GPS tracking because it can have a tracker where the drone is underwater that that separates from the mothership and it makes its last 10 kilometer voyage pulling that thin little wire into a naval

base and strikes us up like it's like it's real-time information telling that like the explosive part of that drone where to go. Like it's just, yeah, there's some really smart people out there putting this shit together and we can do that right here in Canada. I think it goes beyond that.

I think there's autonomous drone technology where they give it a grid. But it needs a signal. It doesn't. Once it gets that grid and it locks that grid, it goes to that grid. Yeah, but how does it do it if it's not,

doesn't know where it is in the water? Well, it does. That's the thing. It plots a root before you even let it go. Oh, really? And so it knows exactly where it's going. There's no, you don't need satellites, you don't need radio communications. You just tell it, go here.

It thoughts the whole thing. It starts going. And even when people start jamming signals and stuff, it just keeps going. And I would doubt for sending one way. That system you talk about is a radar system. So like if you got a radar looking at like patron missile system. So it's detecting like an aircraft or a radar. So if you're to launch a laser guided missile at,

that aircraft you would know would have a lock on and it would do different things to like get away from you with a radar system so it's tracking the airplane the airplane knows it's under radio surveillance but the radar gets feedback back and it also tells a missile where to go so now it's the missile and the radar talking and then within the last few meters then the missile turns on its laser and then strikes a target he's like rickie bobby doesn't know what to do with his hands the whole thing. Yeah, so, like, there, there is that technology out there. But it's, there's got, like, maybe there is something that you're talking about that.

I don't know about it. I'm certain there is. I'm actually, I'm almost absolutely 100%. Yeah, I'm not going to argue with you. You're a certain major. I'm just corporal. No, I, I'm just, I don't know how it works. My understanding of it is extremely rudimentary and, and, and I've listened to some,

some different, um, you were drunk. You were drunk? Yeah, I probably was drunk. I'm drunk right now. That you can program them to go to a certain location. It's like a fire and forget missile. Yeah. You just let it go and it goes there and you're 100% right.

If it doesn't detect a target, it comes home. It's like the fucking robot vacuum in your house. It's a Roomba, yeah. Yeah. 100%. It's that same idea. Yeah. And we just sent 50 million.

We sent 50 million dollars more in parts. I'm putting a grenade on your fucking room. Ukraine this week for drones that we don't have, you know, for tech that we don't really we're starting to get a bit of a drone thing going here, but we're still funding other people around the world, including Ukraine, and don't have this stuff ourselves. Like, stop giving our money away to other people and build our military up. Like, we're in desperate shape here. We talked last time about how many tanks we have running. Now, tank warfare has changed dramatically, obviously, because of drones and all warfare is changing dramatically.

because of drones but you still need an armored force you still need an infantry force the basic building blocks we got 300 000 public servants that's good that hopefully will backfire on the liberals and they'll all be like loving shooting guns you sound like they'll like turn into rednecks overnight once they get out there in the field and they'll might be like there's awesome they will be they will be they will be Patricia tuxed out there's a john deer hat they will be Patricia tux see to. Hey, Sean, they will be the Trojan horse that the liberals launch on themselves. Like, who doesn't like shooting guns? So now you're out being instructed by guys like Chuck and guys like Willie. And then you're like, oh, they're not such bad conservatives.

And then, you know, they got them on the range of shooting his shit out of targets. That's a fucking awesome. Then I want to kill Gopher. It's a whole thing. Now all these guys that were lip tards that work for the feds, now they're all conservatives, gun-toting. It's true. I've never taken anyone to the range who's never shot before where they weren't immediately like a week later. This is great.

Gun lockers everywhere in the house. Except for that American guy that was that did the whole thing about the AR-15. Oh, being louder than it was ringing in his ears and he was out. Wow, that was part of his podcast. He just did it for me. Like was the rifle pink? Yeah, I remember that. Anyways, I think this is.

going to blow up in their face. I hope they do it. So, I hope they turn into God lovers. Did you listen to Tuse talk about it, Jamie? No. Because his, his, oh yeah, yeah, that was like three or four weeks ago. His theory was, is they want to reduce how many people are public servants. So you put them in the front lines and you just wait about half the staff

that way. Yeah. No, no. Yours is a little more optimistic than that. They'll all get medals. I think he's going to backfire on them. Yeah, one of them will get a Victoria Cross. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. He was lighting He was lighting the immersion heater in the morning And it blew up in his face

Oh God He still hasn't found his duke His eyebrows He hasn't had to shave since Remember when Campoli lit himself on fire He was a hairy bastard too So he was all on fire Oh my God

Him and Chris Pick An immersion heater For anyone that maybe doesn't understand it We use them in the military And we set up our austere camps and it's basically a steel garbage can with a diesel no gasoline or gasoline that heater heating element put inside it you fill a tank and it drips and heats the water there's it's actual fire that heats the water and you had to shave every morning and somebody always had to late those things

in the morning and and they were notoriously finicky so you would you know fill this little cup up with with gas and then and then light it up and heat the flu yeah and then hopefully the rest of the would catch but you know you'd be sitting there for about yeah probably 30 seconds a minute minute a half and every now and then you're kind of pooping your head over to see if it's lit it's lit late because you don't know if it's litter hot and every so often almost every single day someone would put their head over that thing and well the time the gas would catch the time we're talking about the ground is frozen they're filling it's like four in the morning of course they don't have their flashlight out there they're too scared to go back to the tent to get it

because they don't want to wake anybody up. They're filling these steel gas containers full of gas. The whole on the fucking thing is literally that. It was the dumbest fucking thing. And no light. They're pouring like out of the jerry can. There's gas spilling everywhere. It's 40 below outside.

So anyways, and we're in a bit of a bowl because we're tactical when we've got to do this shit too. It's fucking crazy. Anyways, so the light so crisp and Campoli liked this. this immersion heater up and a whole 20 meter circle just explodes like wakes up our whole platoon and we stick our heads out the fucking thing and you see chris and capoli running out of this fucking fire they're on fire they had like white belliclavs on it's all melted it was the funniest fucking thing i've seen in my life stop drop and roll oh my god yeah so they were put on fire

watch together like they were separated and put on with somebody confident enough to at least bringing a flashlight out so we can see where there's there's so much incompetency that it was it was funny it was they're great guys don't be wrong but they just can't do emerging heaters together boom I don't care how much gas you burn it yeah all times anyway that's the immersion heater where were we I don't remember I was talking about we were talking about drones getting a VC Oh, yeah, the drones. We went from the VC, and then I brought it more to today. Where we see modern warfare going?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've talked about it a lot on here already. We should be taking notes about the Ukraine war, Russia-Ukraine thing, and there's a lot of lessons learned in there that we're missing, or people aren't paying attention to because we need to be adopting and adapting. This is a rare experience where we get to see a war, basically 24-7 live-streamed in some form or another, where we can actually adapt as it's going.

When we went to war ourselves, by the time we'd started a tour and finished a tour, war had changed. Medical had changed. Our style of fighting changed. When I went back on the next tour, it had changed again.

I took over from Van Du's in 2008 and their section commander there was like, you were here in 06, I don't need to tell you how to fuck it. I'm like, I need to know everything because it's all changed again. It changes and it doesn't.

They never left the camps so they never really well the enemy changes too and you know interestingly enough I heard something not too long ago about you know special operations forces and you know their specialty is

is to a certain extent depending on where you are but you know they breach a building and they kill the bad guys and they capture the hostage or they rescue hostages or whatever the case may be and I heard some guys talking about the fact that they they're like why are we sending people in there people through those doors you know and so it evolved

from the point where you're not going through a door anymore you're making your own hole in a wall because all the machine guns are pointed at the door to okay they're smart enough now to realize that we're not using the door we're making a door but why are we sending highly trained soldiers through these doors warriors that are that are just going to eat bullets to the point now where they're like yeah we don't do it anymore we we send a drone in we'll still blow the door or blow a blow a hole but there's not a human being going in there it's a drone that's going in yeah um because why waste a human life and you know it goes back to dogs you know that's what dogs were used for okay send in the dog um and so i think there's an evolution that the fundamentals

never change that's something i think you can you always have to have a man on the floor yeah like There's got to be occupied, like you've got to stand on that ground. Well, and the fundamentals of fighting don't necessarily change that much. Yeah. Just the tactics. The method. Yeah. Or the method.

The method. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Jamie's a master at this. And I certainly am not. You look at the animal kingdom and how the animal kingdom, you know, forget about humans as part of that. And you look how they organize themselves and how they serve. and how they survive and all the things they do and and like everything that we do is is an extension of that really at the end of the day and and you know you're really good at understanding that and making it make more sense than what I just said but I don't think the I don't think that you're right Sean when you say tactics I don't think the fundamentals change but I think the methods and and to a certain extent the tactics do change and have change and have evolved

And again, Chuck's right, you know, you look at the war in Ukraine. Like trench warfare, I mean, we didn't do that 20 years ago. We did dig shell scrapes and stuff because people were like throwing mortars at us and whatnot. But, you know, we didn't dig trenches 100 meters apart from each other and wait for someone to jump up over the edge and blast them, right? But let's be real about that too. Like, how about fighting through a fucking grain vineyard? like it was like fucking trenches every five meters the grape fields yeah yeah grape fields and and going down those skinny little alleyways although they weren't dug in the ground they were

raised elevation yeah but i don't think you need to do that anymore you know no no drone through there yeah yeah totally is there no all right okay but we were doing that 20 years ago it was this it was this above ground yeah and willie's right on and so is chuck so we got to start learning what's going on uh china's our fucking next war and like the next year or two years, whenever it's going to be. They've got the largest Navy, although they're blue, like their deep water Navy isn't as big as the Americans. But look what the Ukraine's done with surface drones and now submergeable drones.

They've taken out the second biggest Navy in the world through drones. Like in our country right now, we're talking about, well, we've got to buy fucking 20 fucking subs going to the polar ice cap. Well, that's going to be 20 years from now. We can fucking do drones. We can buy them off the shelf. We can develop our own drone system and we can have drones in the ocean

within two years. And we need them within two years. And this war isn't on your time. So and actually Cliff Walker taught me this, General Cliff Walker, he goes, putting money into your military is like having a really good insurance policy. So if you got a well-prepared military,

you spend all kinds of money on it, It's like putting money into insurance that you never use. But if you've got to use it, it's there and it's ready to go, right? Like you'll get a, you'll be reimbursed for your whatever loss you had. And it's a great foreign policy. It's a great, it's a great foreign policy. And yes, and my retirement party, and you almost saw a fucking huge hoorah, raw, a bunch of guys want to beat me up.

And then you started pointing out, Luke, who's coming to his aid? well that that's how nations fight with each other and support each other and keep other people from starting to fight with you I believe what I said was all these men have killed people do you sure you want to get in a fight with them so so that's what that's what Canada's got to be again where the Americans are there we've got to fucking pull our own weight we've got to stand up and be a strong partner and side with the United States we got to stop all this bullshit we'll vote you know we don't like Trump or we don't like the Americans. We live in the same fucking part of the world as them.

We've got to be their best friends. And we're going the other directions. Trump just signed Paxilica that the economic treaty or, you know, whatever you want to call it, I guess treaty with North Korea or sorry, South Korea, I think Singapore, Japan, the UK, Australia, Australia and then Netherlands as well, I believe, are in it. I could be missing. That's because the war is going to be.

with China. No, but this isn't even about war. This is strictly an economic trade, trade strengthening thing. And guess who's not on that list? Canada. We are going... We don't have a seat. That's it. We don't have a seat. There's no secrets being

shared with Canada. Like the RC&P were asked to take down some of these cartel things and they're like no. They told the American FBI, no, we're not doing it. Like we are so untrusted by the Americans. We're so compromised by China and India.

It's fucking ridiculous. We just saw that with the floor crossing. Yeah. Yeah, Ma going across. And now they're talking about there's been some influence that. Well, I mean, that's been been talked about for how long? Well, there was 11 that they wouldn't name. I have to think that some of these floor crossers are part of that 11.

I'm only guessing. Well, they're moles. Ma comes from probably the most. Well, I shouldn't say the most. but of the floor or of the people that you you wonder about his riding in particular stands out but the thing is about him he's been recorded at CCP functions supporting the CCP how to fuck do the conservatives land on that guy to be their mLA yeah like it's you know everybody's not mp mp sorry yes but it it we are so heavily infiltrated

At this point, I'm trying to think of a less shitty word, but that's the word. Well, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, okay, so Cuba was going to let let Russians put nukes in there, right? Now Venezuela told Russia, yeah, you can put missiles in fucking Venezuela. So look what's happening to Venezuela. Okay, Trudeau invited the Chinese army to come to Canada to go on winter exercise with the Canadians in the Arctic. General Air, thank, fuck.

He said, no, fuck off. They were training in Victoria on the island. Hundreds of these fucking Chinamen. A friend of mine is a major in the Air Force. He had to take Chinese officers around all the Air Force bases and they were taking pictures of all the candidates, all their equipment, the airplanes inside and out, and like Trudeau made it happen.

So when we're that friendly with the Chinese, no wonder the fucking Yanks aren't going to tell us anything or trust us. Trump just made fentanyl a weapon of mass destruction. And we're the, now I know you'll hear it from the liberals like, well, we only set, they only ever find like a little bit of smidgey smidge of fentanyl.

Because they only test one percent of the fucking sea containers. Dude, we've got secret, the labs here that get busted, the fucking crime rings going all over the country. And they're not by, they're by new Canadians typically at this point. TD Bank,

the biggest fucking money laundering. Australia, New Zealand, fucking blaming Canada for all, all the fentanyl being shipped out of Vancouver down to them because no cartels run the port when i left working in corrections china sends all the shit to them when i left working corrections in 2019 fentanyl was the big thing on the scene it was it was the thing and what people don't normal people who don't have anything to do with drugs hard drugs anyway don't understand what fentanyl is and i've seen i know this from other from seeing it with my own eyes and other

examples of people I've worked with in the jail. Fentanyl, it takes you, like if you spilled a couple grains of salt on the table, imagine the size of those salt. That's what it takes. I know guard and not the prison I worked in, but she was flipping through a book because we always did it. We always flick the pages of a book they had in their cell, look for razors, look for any other contraband, look for, and a little bit of the fentanyl dusted it and dropped her. Now, she lived because they're nursing staff on hand with Narcan, whatever they gave her Narcan probably, but they got her back up, luckily. But I'll tell you what, the overdose is going to on in there and then we got these safe consumption sites that we're handing this shit out in

and trump declares it a a why we're going the wrong way we're going the wrong way well well listen it's it's about it's about treating the symptom and not the you know the catalyst yeah and and it's something that we've done policy wise for a very long time in this country which makes absolutely no sense uh which is that's a prevention you know let's Instead of going after the root cause, we treat the symptom. And that doesn't help anybody, and it doesn't help anything. It's, it's actually infuriating. I couldn't be more in line with you in terms of these safe consumption things.

I think it's garbage. And, you know, I've spoken to a lot of experts, and there are, I'm sure a lot of experts out there that will say, oh, you know, well, you're wrong, you're wrong, you don't understand, you don't understand. And I'm like, okay, well, are you a junkie? How do you understand? And it infuriates me to no end. I was at a veterans summit a number of years ago in Ottawa where, you know, Veterans Affairs puts on this summit every couple years and they talk about different issues.

And one of the issues they were talking about was homelessness. And there was an expert that got up and said, the answer is not to put veterans into a communal living space. like a shelter. Yeah. And it's not, that's not just not the answer for veterans. That's the,

that's not the answer for all the homeless people in Canada. It doesn't work. It's not their own place. They have no ownership. There's a reason we use the word transient because it's important. And so you have to stop thinking about let's, let's convert an office building into a homeless shelter because that's never going to,

it's never going to get off the ground. There, there's, you're treating a symptom rather than looking going to the root causes and cutting it off drives me nuts i don't want to get on a soapbox but yeah it's it's it's just it's i think the the mentality is flawed and i think the tactic is flawed and all it does is is placate a small portion of people for a period of time to say well you know the government's trying their best They're doing what they can.

And it's like, okay, A, why are we giving them so much power to solve all the problems? Because we can do it. We can do it. We're smart people. We're not stupid people. They are arbitrarily making decisions on our behalf that we didn't ask them to make. And in the process of that, they're making our lives worse. Right.

And that's why I think we could say that the four of us in this room are aligned in terms of, you know, big government. And you said, you know, Tews was talking about, you know, getting rid of the public service. I mean, look at how bloated public services. But hey, Willie's right. Here's the thing. Sean, this isn't new. This has been drugs and alcohol and homelessness has been around since the day of time. But we had systems that were in place.

We had fucking insane asylums out in the middle of wherever. And we didn't have them inside of city limits because, we don't need those fucking people wandering the street, stabbing people and they're trying to take their kids to a swimming lesson. Like when you were an alcoholic or you're a fucking druggie

and you can't control yourself, we're taking you somewhere out of society until you're better. You're either going to get better there or you're going to die there. I would say 99% of the clients I dealt with incorrect. But let me just finish this.

We know how to do this. But it was politically incorrect to have in San Francisco. asylum's anymore so we shut all these fucking things down they were paid by the feds and the provincial government now our cities have to pay for this they don't have the fucking money mill rates are going up they're they're having to cut other services because now it's in their fucking lap well fuck that like get these fucking insane asylums out in the country set up again where they're separated from all the bad habits that people can bring down treatment centers

whatever whatever the fucking nut house get the nut house going again and send these people there until they're better because if they're going to keep being visited by the people that are dragging them down they're never going to get better about 99% of the clientele I dealt with in my almost 10 years in corrections

the crime that they were in for were all drug related the violence of the crime that they were doing the um whatever led them to be in for that particular charge that they were in for was drug related on some level now to your point about sending them away to get treated there's a few Nordic countries i think Norway could be one i could be wrong i've seen documentaries on it where they basically enforce rehab like we used to do that we don't you don't get to be now part of the problem is and i there were guys i inmates i met on day one in corrections that i

saw in my last day in corrections and in that 10 year span where you could have had a normal conversation with them, relatively speaking, by the time I left corrections and they'd had 10 years of putting whatever in them they were, they were fried. And they were, they didn't know who they were. They had, all the wiring was no more good. It just was gone. So there's a point where these people, unfortunately, there's a, you're almost have to warehouse them on some level. I don't want them on the street either because they're only suffering that they don't deserve that either on some level. But they're also going to go after like the mom taken her kid to the store they're going to go they're they're they're they're the ones breaking into homes

in packs it's not going to be one person and thank goodness daniel smith has said you know at least as far as she said so far in alberta you better not be a criminal breaking into a home you know she actually said something pretty firm about that yeah if you're a criminal breaking into home you can expect to be um once again it's not her exact quote you can expect to leave with well not bullet holes but shot yeah yeah i mean as it should be You can imagine at the UCPA jam when she said that, that caught me off guard. Yeah. And it was a standing all immediately.

Yeah. Right? But you also got parts of the country right now. You got kids, their homes being broken into. Yeah. Kids being raped. Kib's being raped. You got the one guy in, I think it was Lindsay, Ontario.

Yeah. A guy broke in his house of the crossbow and he, you know, protected himself. And he got charged. He got charged. You got the police chief saying, just leave your keys. at the front door that's the easiest thing you know and well i mean but this is canada day right you know like well it's our own goddamn fault we we're the ones that had our head in the sand and let all this bullshit happen we just thought it fucking go away well it's not we got to get

involved in our communities and we got to start fucking doing shit because the more we just stand around and talk and maybe it'll get better it's just getting worse like we're we're being invaded by by a culture of people that are aren't Christians, they have a different way of life, and they don't give a fuck. And if we carry on and let this happen, look what's going on in the UK, all of Europe, you know, look what happened just in Australia. It's, we don't mix. It's oil and water.

That fucking guy in Australia, the dad of the terrible two there. So I was talking Peter. Tell people the story if they haven't, if they don't know. Yeah. so there was a there was a jewish celebration on bondi beach in australia just uh in sydney um and it was about a thousand people there for this honica celebration and two gunmen decided that they were going to uh to attack the jewish people and correct me if i'm wrong 17 18 16 dead right now 16 dead multiple more wounded yeah you know children Holocaust survivors you name it and so i was talking to an

Australian friend of mine yesterday and I said, oh man, he lives in Perth. I said, thank God you're you're on the right side of the island. It's actually the left side if you think about it, but whatever. And you know, his comment was yeah, our government is fucked. This guy, the dad, has been living in Australia for 17 years on a student visa, was investigated for his ties to ISIS a number of years ago. And they authorized. him to purchase firearms like this is this is the kind of thing that is happening in Australia and you know what the Australian people they're they're good people man they're not going to put up with that shit but when your governments are weak and they and they

cater to the lowest common denominator and they're not following the will of the voters you got a problem yeah and it's and it's it's I've heard people say well you know is it inevitable that it happens here and I always in the last few days I've responded it's not just inevitable it's impending it's when it happens it's not imminent it's imminent we've already had something like 10 Islamic type

terror attacks in Canada they've generally been very you know the last one was in Toronto there's a shooting at the airport they never ever announced who did it yeah you know like but the last one was in Emmington at the ledge when they got the guy at the SKS and he was trying to fire bomb it yeah that could have been this happened last

winner at the airport. I think the Edmonton was a bit before that. Because Emmington was a bit before that. Because Emmington was I believe the Emmington one was right before the first corner But here's the other stuff that they're doing

and it's not always with gun like there's more stabbing in Toronto and such and they're Moslem stabbing white people there's rape gangs like they have in Europe there's rape gangs in Canada raping white women like this stuff is happening and it's not being told to the canadian people because they don't want to get people up i think it's important and and you know jamie and i

can talk about this offline but it's it's not i don't think it's just muslim like i don't have anything against muslims i have something against radicalized muslims that try to bring in specific types of their ideology into our communities and part of that ideology being the gang's part of that ideology being, you know, all the Jewish people must die. Because I have Muslim friends that are very peaceful and, you know, they come, they've come to Canada seeking a better life and quite honestly, they go about their day to day, they contribute to their communities and they, they're generally, you know, good citizens. And so I just don't want to, I don't want us to fall into that trap of being like all Muslims are bad because I don't think they are. Um, and, and, but the ideology is what gets. Yeah, because, because people that, that leave a Muslim country, they don't go to other

Muslim countries. They come to Christian countries. Now, they come here because they think they're going to leave that way of life and they want to live a peaceful life. That's fine. That generation, let's say, like, I don't know what the percentage would be. They, they lead a peaceful life. Now, there are kids that are, there, that are born.

in Canada never faced any hardships out of any Muslim country they left. But now they're here and they've never seen war or nothing like that. They lived in a peaceful environment. They become radicalized. So the people that immigrate here, they live a peaceful life and die. It's the kids that now become radicalized by, you know, internet or through their churches or whatever. and they become the problem 20 years down the road. And that's what we're not taking account of.

Because you'll hear all kinds of people say, oh, well, you know, these are great Muslims. They're living here. They escape war and tyranny. Well, they're not going to be the problem. It's going to be their offspring. And that's been proven. Well, it depends where the region they're from.

I mean, we got them a day after the shooting in Bondi, you got all the Palestinian pro-Palestinian Hamaswls in Montreal, basically intimidating the Christians. Christmas market, you know, talking about they're going to death to Canada, death to the Jews, death to everybody over here. Why, why, and we have politicians wearing their fucking battle rags and fucking recognizing their state now. I don't give a shit between Palestine and Israel and that 2,000 plus year old war between them.

I don't give a shit. I do not care. Wipe each other the fuck off the face of the earth. I don't care. But you're bringing your tribal shit to my country, which is already teetered off. the edge with every other tribal shit somebody else brings in here and are there great people from around the world i agree i got friends you know a couple of interpreters that got brought back i've got a couple guys that are decent on every level there's those i'm not saying that either but at this

point we've let so many unvetted and shitty people in we need to hit the fucking deport button until it breaks and i mean heavily and not just with them not just with them we allowed a referendum for this calistani bullshit to go on but we can't get one for fucking albert to lick it like fucking at this point I'm sick of entertaining everybody else is tribal bullshit I agree on my shores I'm sick of it my kids have no future in this country as it stands they have no future at all yours or generation behind mine they ain't got a hope in hell unfortunately I'm sorry to say and everybody out there with kids or everybody else out there struggling right now you all know it you go buy groceries grocery inflation has gone

up like another four percent two point two million Canadians a month out of the what is there 37 38 million of us use a food bank that's disgusting it's disgusting but we're sending money everywhere I'm inviting everybody in it makes no sense to me my boy share like uh because they have uh like a every like every month or whatever they'll have a like a special lunch like so my boy you know breaks my heart but he shares his special lunch for the kid to can't have a special lunch. Thank you. It's crazy.

The kids' parents can't afford to pay for special lunch. And again, the government wants to step in and have pay for everybody's lunches in school. I get the gist behind it. But if you only unlock the economy enough where parents could afford to buy groceries, but we've talked about this before, probably five, six, seven, eight years ago, you go to the grocery store at the grocery cart and you saw most people with grocery carts and there'd be a heap of food in it and you'd get to the till, it'd be 80, 100 bucks.

Like, okay, now a basket of fucking food. 100 bucks, yeah. 100 bucks. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I was having this discussion with my neighbor. I had a big party at my place on Saturday, and we were talking about grocery inflation. For the rifle regiment, for the rifle regiment.

Yeah, I think it's a great point. And I was talking about the charade of Justin Trudeau when he brought in the grocers of Canada to include Galen Weston and whomever else was there. And, you know, he was putting the hard questions of them about why are Canadians paying so much for groceries? And I'm like, it's your policies, fuckhead. Yeah.

That created this. From the second that a farmer puts a seed into the fucking ground, it's taxed in its entire evolution until it becomes a fucking loaf of bread in your home. Yeah. Like there's 17 different fucking levels where it gets taxed. Yeah. And it's infuriating.

Because it's all fucking, it's all cinema. It's all fucking cinema. And it drives me nuts because I got really good friends that are farmers. They have big farms and they run professional operations and they are complaining about it. They're like, it's, you know, the kids don't want to farm anymore. No, I grew up in a dairy farm. So where's all our farmland going? Numbered companies are buying it.

That you cat, trace the giant. That's right. You watch, you watch Jeremy Clarkson's show on his. farming show that he does great show by the way good point but but their his farming struggle because he's a he's he's he's done the car shows and all of his other stuff he had no idea until he got into farming and every roadblock he he hits his government induced and they're red it's ridiculous we have the same it's as bad or getting as bad here like willie just said it's how they can't make a living so they got to sell to some numbered company until eventually our entire food chain

is compromised as well and you're going to be eating the soylent green fucking bar of it's people chuck it's people mostly people with some bugs like it's this is where we're i mean people are going no chuck you're just i'm not even drinking today boys and girls i'm sober like this is where we're heading you had an iced tea to be yeah i did have a nice tea smell like whiskey but that apple juice sure look like whiskey to me chuck but we are not in a good situation right now And again, get us the fuck out of this country. And I know maybe I don't even know how Willie and Jamie feel. Well, we talked about this five years ago.

I don't want this anymore. Listen, I don't think it's doom and gloom. I think there are enough people that are waking up to some of the things that are happening that there is a fundamental shift that's coming, right? And, you know, I give Jamie an awful lot of respect. And actually all three, you guys, I've been ambiguously silent and maybe not silent, but just not as vocal. And Sean, you know, you bring a lot of the, a lot of the issues to the forefront, which are uncomfortable for people. And I think that that's important.

I mean, being uncomfortable is the only way that you can grow. It's the only way that you get better is to learn from. maybe making a mistake or being in uncomfortable situations and and you know i've said this before you know there's no such thing as rising to the occasion you sink to the level of your training or the level of your knowledge and uh and so i think it's important that we continue to have these discussions because you know none of you guys are wrong man like our quality of life has consistently degraded in the last couple decades um and and i you know for arguments sake let's just say the last decade.

Yeah. And, you know, there was something else that happened in this country 11 years ago that changed the way that we live our lives.

And I think we all fundamentally understand that. Your listeners are going to understand that as well. It's the people that don't want to hear it. It's the people that, you know, I had,

again, I had this party in my house and we were having a disagreement about something. It was a friendly disagreement until it wasn't friendly until there was a person there that was like,

I disagree and I'm like okay great let's have a conversation about it and the response was to another friend of mine well you you don't have a college education so how do you know and I thought to myself man this is this is somebody that's cornered that knows that they're beaten that is going to throw education that's going to throw you know the the isms out to try and prove their point because they can't actually have an intelligent argument about this stuff and it's far too long that far too many of us have been pushed into a corner because we're afraid of the cancel culture and you know it's important to it's important to just speak your mind and say hey this is what I think because that's what our elected representatives are supposed to do

they're supposed to represent us and for the most part they don't and that's where I start to really get heartburn and I'm like oh my God and it's like you said it I got a 10 year old son at home I'm very concerned about his future, but it's not all doom and glue. I don't want everybody to think that. I want people to know that there's, there are, there are good people in this country that are doing good things, whether or not it has an impact, because most of us are in the West is another story, right? But, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, we do what we do and we, and we speak.

You know, we speak with a pure heart and with a clear mind in terms of this is how I feel. And hope is not a course of action. And this guy knows that better than most of us, right? He's the one that's out there, you know, pressing the horn and making the noise. And I think that's important, right? And so I just wanted to get that in there. So great points. And guess what the beautiful thing about this is?

he's 100% correct. Like, at the very least, you can control your own actions and do something positive to move our society forward. And we talked about this five years ago, Sean, that it'd be nice if, like, the values our veterans fought for in World War I, World War II, we could have those and they could be reflected in our laws. And if anything were to happen, let's say the West does separate, guess what? Canada will fall, and they'll rejoin Western Canada.

It'll be Canada again. But all the fucking garbage, like, so do you really believe, like, that the treaties that we've signed with the natives, once the Muslims take over, that they're going to, like, stand behind those treaties that we sign with the natives? Fuck no. They're, they're, that, that means nothing to them. And they're, that's the goal. so yes the natives they were conquered by the settlers guess what i'm a settler i was conquered by the english

i've lost my language in my history and my culture but guess what through the native community and the settler community we've created a new culture and it's called canada and it's fucking awesome and we can work together and create these values that are important to us and if it's western that brings the eastern Canada on board with us slowly like dragging up across the finish line. We'll do that and this country will be great again. And we're not losing Canada because it's really fucking Ottawa. Ottawa is in Canada and I've said this as a thousand times. It's the people of Canada that makes Canada.

It courses through our means. We can do this. And it's not to destroy Canada because we love it. We fought for the fucking. place. Yeah. Yeah. If we got to do something to bring those values back, and I don't give a fuck if you're a Muslim, if you live in this country and you follow those values, like we would do in your Muslim country and you do it here in our country, hey, that's fucking great. You're welcome here. But don't fucking try and change our values because we fought for these fucking

things and we spill blood for it. It's paid for it in various parts of the world. And we deserve to have that fucking culture. I agree. We deserve to have it. But you look at this week and I don't know if the bill passed or not, but the liberals are changing citizenship laws. So you don't have to be born here. You can be adopted in another country or born in another country and obtain Canadian citizenship. So what we did go fight for, what we, we've lost friends for, what generations before us have gone through that vote that that that that look that one vote we get is being diluted and diluted back i got a piss and diluted it's being diluted so heavily that we need

to i i am i am the doom and gloom guy i just am i'm at that point now where i don't see did you did you see the story i had somebody sent me forgive me a chinese billionaire paying for a hundred surrogates to have a hundred of his kids so they could get American citizenship? Yeah. I'm like, I'm not even mad at it.

I'm like, that's actually quite brilliant. But they're doing it here too. Well, I know, I know, I know. I'm like,

it's actually quite brilliant. Who is? Who writing the laws would ever thought of surrogates? But we're changing them to suit them. That's the problem. And I agree with Willie and Jamie, you know,

the values of this country, make it what it was at one point. I don't think we're there. I think most people can feel like that's a nostalgic image of where we were. But what gives me, one of the ladies coming to speak at the Cornerstone Forum, Karen Katowski, posited or deposited this thought in my brain. And I've been thinking a lot about it. It's probably one of the one thought I've had this year or one, you know, I've had lots of

different people say lots of different things. but what she was talking about was this this idea of like what country and she was talking specifically the Cold War and Soviet Union what country would gain freedom first and in her mind it was the most oppressed but actually what played out was it the country that had the most freedom gained it first and I go oh okay well where's the freest part of Canada right now full stop Alberta yeah and and and probably not far behind it is Saskatchewan right like I got a ton of time for both provinces And so you go, well, you know, like, what happens here and said,

does some of this conversation make some people uncomfortable? I'm sure. I'm absolutely sure of it. But by having open dialogue, conversation, and envisioning a future we want, Jamie's beautiful point on the blood spilled and the values we want, it's like, so where do you want to go? As long as we're allowed to talk about it. And we have leaders in place that are going to listen to the population

that is swelling and waking up and pushing. and being like we don't want this anymore i think there are better days ahead it doesn't mean there aren't difficult days ahead there are going to be there's going to be some rough yeah man like you know for the last uh the last number of years and and quite a few years you know i've often said oh the only people that get into politics are are you know they're underwhelming because they're there because they like the power they're there because you know there's there's a check that comes with it that that is maybe consistent or you know it continues to grow as you as you work the network but but you know I think we have some decent people that have that have

pursued political careers that can make a difference and they can and and they have enough of the following that they can influence the outcome and a lot of people who said to me oh you know why don't you get the politics when you get to politics and I'm like you know, I'm not, I'm not interested in having my life put under a microscope, and I'm not interested in, in joining a club where, you know, you have to, you have to conform to whatever the flavor of the day is, because that's never been me. That's, that's not how I roll. And it's not about being uncomfortable. It's not about any of that stuff. It's more about my family do all to put my family through that and and that really becomes the question so good people

and i'm not saying i'm a good person because i'm kind of a shithead but um good people are staying away because they don't want to deal with that fucking dog shit man like it's and it's sad it's really fucking sad right it does keep probably the best cream of our people out of that industry or job or whatever because right now i have no faith in there may be one or two MPs i have any amount of a smidge of faith in but this week having a guy crossed the floor again just it just damages the entire apparatus when I was a kid and my folks were far their dairy farmers and they'd have other farmers over for barbecue or we go to their place a whole bunch of whole bunch of you know these events in the summer or winter whatever and all the as a kid you don't say

nothing when the adults are speaking so you listen and although that doesn't happen today but When you're, when you're listening, I couldn't tell a conservative or a liberal or what they, they were, they had, there were conservatives and liberals in the bunch, they kind of joked at each other and ribbed at each other, but you couldn't tell the light between them. They were essentially the same people with a little bit of a ideological difference or a way they would do something. Today, I can't tell the light of difference between liberal and conservative either. It's the same fucking policies. Karni's basically used Polyev's running platform. to suit his own needs, but bent it in a whole different way. I mean, these people just bend with the wind on everything. Like they can't, Daniel Smith coming out and saying the few things she said where I was like, you know, defending your home and a few other things or this pipeline. She actually says a thing and seems to, for the most part, try to follow through on it. You know, and she's not an MP.

She's a premier. So, I mean, but our problem in this country. is the voting is done when it says hit Toronto. We don't get a vote. We're foolish to think we get a vote. Our per capita population isn't as represented as it is in like, is it Nova Scotia? Like, we are underrepresented and we can't even get enough vote in parliament.

I know you guys, for me, it's a nostalgic view of what the country was at one point. I get it. I miss it, but we're not getting it back. In my opinion, we're not getting it back. I'd rather, I, I would go to war to get that back. I would happily go to war to give my kids something, but we're not getting that back. Happily, I'd go do it again. Five years ago, and we talked about this and how, you know, Yugoslavia went from to war, right?

Yeah. I'm not saying that's going to happen in Canada. No, no, no. But you get the wrong personality, you get the wrong person, like, you know, like in charge it like things can go sideways like so these are these are different times or they're tricky times and you were at my retirement chuck decided not to show up I was I was Jamie I made your retirement part thanks plenty yeah you got it yeah anyways so I you know in my fucking crying you know speech because my kids fucking got me all

worked up and Willie did an amazing job at them And I'm seeing it all. My last comments were, is like, you know, because there's General Walker there and, you know, a bunch of my officers and such. I'm like, guys, you think that you're done and you're just going to set out the rest of your years enjoying life. Well, you know what? If at any time, if our country needed your leadership, it's now. And Willie's not here to defend himself, but this is a guy that should be in politics. This is a guy that should be in politics.

And I know you're shaking your head, Chuck, but we need great leaders that have some common sense that are there for the right reasons. And guess what? We've all done stupid shit in our past. And if Winston Churchill had a Twitter account, they would have fucking had him on the government too. You know, and people like, yes, you're a good leader.

Doesn't mean you're a good person. There's some fucking, like, terrible people out there. there that do the right things for the right reasons, but they've done some terrible things in their past. And they learn from it. That's how you become a leader. I'm not saying that we should have leaders that are whatever, but you can't have a squeaky, clean past

and become a leader that hasn't gone through the ups and downs of lives and learned from your mistakes. So we've got to get rid of that fucking squeaky, clean bullshit stuff about, oh, this guy did this or did that. No, we need to bring the people into the room that are going to solve our problems. They're not going to be the perfect, like, cookie-cutter politician, but they're going to get us through these difficult times. And that's what we've got to get back to.

When they pick the head coach for the Olympic hockey team this year, they don't give a fuck about what that coach did 20 years ago. They don't care if he speaks French or English. Are you going to get a gold medal for Canada? Yes. All right. fucking, you're the guy. They don't give a fuck about anything else.

Winning is what we're talking about. And we're allowed to be a winner in our society as Canadians. We're allowed to be fucking the best. Let us be the best. We can do it. We got everything fucking here. We've got the best people in the world. Get the fuck out of the way and let us fucking do our thing.

And we'll show you how fucking awesome we are. But oh no, you got some fucking bozo. It's got to fucking justify his job. and like he doesn't want to work so he hires 10 other people do his work and it's his fucking garbage and i tried that and i got fired right rightly so the only way that works though is a complete tipping of the apple cart and i'm not i'm not here to well that's where we're at the fucking album cart's about to get kicked over we don't have a trump type figure not saying we need we need trump trump is his own host of issues and and whatnot hey he's fucking doing some

amazing shit. He's doing a lot of amazing shit. He does stupid stuff too, but I would take some stupid with a whole bunch of good. I really would at this point. But we don't have a Trump. Yeah. We don't have anybody even entering the arena that's nearly that kind of guy. And here's the other part of the problem that I see in the doom and gloom. I'm not talking about just Western separation. You and you're starting to see the pushback and you and here's the problem when the pushback comes from regular citizens it gets fucking ugly

because that percolation that's happened and we saw it in Bosnia normal fucking people just went ballistic butchering each other because that below the surface bubbling and percolation when that thing steams and boils over

boy howdy that's an ugly fight and when you've done like what they've done in Australia and the UK in Europe and what's happening here, when people have felt like they've been disregarded and rejected for so long, like the West essentially feels when you talk to, most Westerners, it feels like, well, why do I bother voting? It's done when it hits Toronto. Like, my vote doesn't count for shit.

And it doesn't. There's no one here can tell me it does. It doesn't. We don't get a say in how our government works. When something finally percolates, I don't know what it'll be. I don't know what it'll cause it. Maybe it's one more terrorist attack. I don't know.

And I don't, maybe it won't be Canada first. It could be Australia. It could be the UK. The UK. Oh, they're that close. They're fucking close. They're tired of the rape gangs. They're tired of their country going in the spot it is.

I know a couple vets over there. Three pair of dudes I've talked to recently. They're fucking done with it. Like there's a lot of people that are fucking done with the way things are going in their country. And it's just going to take that one incident where people say enough. I don't know what it looks like. That's the doom and gloom I don't want to have. happen yeah well i mean it it's happened in the u.s you know with charlie kirk and oh my god and

all these you know you see these things that happen and you know people try and you know the mainstream media trying to justify it by saying oh his his vitriol for anybody that opposed his opinion and and you know they create this narrative that is it's a false narrative it's not true i mean i didn't agree with everything charlie kirk said either but that wasn't the point The point was he was saying, if you don't agree with me, come talk to me about it. And let's see if we can find some common ground or resolve it or whatever. But you look at that single event and how damaging that is to the United States of America. It's unbelievable.

To the world. Well, and that's what I'm saying. Like the impact is greater than just the United States of America. And, and, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know, That kind of thing has happened in the States, you know, in, in Canada, in Australia, in the UK, you know, we've got people burning flags in the streets and, like you said, saying death to Canada and all this stuff. And it's like, wait a minute, you're biting the hand that feeds you. Like, and for some reason, we're foolish enough to believe that turning a blind eye to that is the right way to go. and it and it goes back to the discussion we were having earlier about you know

having people institutionalized or or going to treatment centers when charlie when charlie girt died not foam lake the nut house at home lake i cried like a baby for a week and i remember the nut house that's that's the oh that's yeah i remember phoning uh shan i'm like just just play simple man like fucking just play just play that song please please like that song got me through but those are the events that are going to but that the thing is the thing is with that whole thing you know you've got people defending killing his death yeah well but and it's absolute insanity let's look at charlie kirk's death though right so let's go

i got him going now i got him gone let's go to black lives matter we're here for another hour so they kill that criminal they choke him he dies you know either from being choked or he had a heart attack as you so whacked out on drugs, they fucking burnt down how many government buildings, how many police officers got killed, there was riots through the entire country. Charlie Kirk gets killed,

what happens? Nothing but prayer and peace. Like, that's the difference that we're talking about here. No, no, that's the difference for now. Once that boils, that will be the next crusade unleashed. Mark it. And it may be the UK, Australia,

It might be here, might be the U.S., but that, it'll be whatever it is, you know, when they do, you're right. When that side, the left, that was a beautiful thing. When the extreme left goes and starts looting, burning, doing what they do, and our side does vigils and holds prayer, I get it. I agree with you 100%. But it's our side that when the snap show starts, unfortunately, it goes all the fucking way. Yeah, when you push good people to do bad things. I mean, you know, I think I may have mentioned this on the show before, Sean, but in it, and, you know, I don't want to make this about me, but, you know, when we're in Afghanistan in 06 and, and a good friend of mine had said to me, you know, what are we doing here? We're like cavemen with clubs and we're just kind of beating each other.

And I said, yeah, the good news is we got a bigger stick, but, you know, it's a good question. It would be good to do, because because people do have that, that question. I get asked that question all the time. What did we do in Afghanistan? And so my answer has always been this. And Chuck, you were there in Garmzer. It would have been late July, I guess. Third week of July, we go into this town, Garmzer.

And I'll spare you all the details. But, you know, we came into contact as soon as we got onto the other side of the bridge. And so I bombed this town all night because I was calling an airstra. all night and we're getting the engineers in to make sure the bridge wasn't wired to blow up so we could get across it and the next day we go across and there's this old man and I'm like where did this motherfucker and so he's walking down the road so I grabbed my interpreter and I'm like hey ask this guy where he's going he says well I'm going to work where do you work I work at the gas station I go ha I dropped a 500 pound bomb on that fucker it's a crater now and he goes I don't care I told my boss I'm going and he was clearly shell-shocked right this guy was like right the fuck out of her so i'm like can i walk with you he says yes yes please walk with me and i said well where did you come from he goes oh there's a giant bunker under the mosque

and i'm like oh okay so got it hey bit go check the fucking mosque um but we weren't allowed yeah we're allowed to go check it yeah it's a religious place we live up to our yeah values and we're like we'll just wait here until people start coming out so anyway i walk with this guy We get to the crater, which used to be the gas station. And he's like, fuck, the gas station's got it. I'm like, yeah, I told you that 10 minutes ago. And I go, but let's have chai, right? So the interpreter pulls out his fucking teapot.

I don't know where the fuck he got it from. He must have had it in a pocket. The secret pocket of them, yeah. Secret chai pocket. It's already, water's already hot. Yeah, who wants tea? It is 64 Celsius, so the water's already boiling. So anyway, we sit down and have tea and I go, hey, man, tell me what happened.

here. So this old man says, well, you know, the Taliban came in. I think Garmsar's about 60 kilometers from the Pakistani border. It's not very far from the border. Because the Taliban came here and they killed all the police, all the policemen at the district center, except for one guy. They kept him alive. And then they called a meeting in the town square. And so in Afghanistan in the town square, there's a well. That's where they all get their water from. And so the Taliban's there and they got the whole town there and they got a pile of guns in the corner and they go, they got the policeman on his knees beside the well and they got a 12-year-old girl on her knees beside the well. And they go, NATO's going to come and they're going to try and take the district center back and that pile of guns over there is for everybody to take one and fight them when they get hurt because they can't take the district center back. it's a it's a it's a symbol of authority in Afghanistan and then without another word

they cut the throat of the police officer and the 12 year old girl and then they dismember them right there in the square and throw all their body parts in the well and so to go back to the original question what are you doing here it was at that that moment in time when I heard that story that I went if I can save one 12 year old girl the police officer yeah you know I want to save police officers too, but, you know, he's doing his job. He doesn't get a VC. That's right. They don't have VCs.

If I can prevent one 12-year-old girl from having her throat cut and being dismembered and thrown into a fucking well like a piece of meat, that I will kill every single one of these motherfuckers. Fucking right. Until I feel like I've been able to have that impact on in this country. And so that was my, that became my mission. That became the reason why we were there. And if you look back on the, on the years that Canada spent in Afghanistan, girls went to school, women formed parliament.

There were, there were female judges, you know, and it's not just about the women, but that was a big part of it. They were subjugated. And now to the point where they're not even allowed to speak in public anymore, right? And we as Canadians, Again, somebody said it earlier, put our heads in the sand after the big withdrawal a few years ago. It's back to the fucking stone ages, man. But I'll never say we didn't do a good thing because they had a decade of peace.

They had a decade of education, that a decade of understanding what Christian values are all about. And, you know, it just, the reason I tell you that. that story is because I think it's important. I think it's important that we that we have reasons, Chuck, that we have reasons for. And, and when I, when, when they poked me enough, when that, when I heard about that little girl and how she died, that was my reaction. Yeah. I want to kill everybody. Everybody that has a hand in this, everybody that think that, thinks that that's okay. They cannot walk this earth any longer because that's the face of evil. Yeah. My platoon took that district center.

when we launched that fight and we killed the fuck out of everybody that had a little bit to do with that. There was no... We heard, we didn't hear that particular story right away. We heard later as guys started to filter through back to their stores or back to their homes to check shit. We were there about five, six, seven days

backing them up and we heard parts of that story, parts of other stories just as horrible and I was happy to fucking kill as many of them as I could. Happy. I giggled while I did it. I'd go back and do it again. But you get asked that question all the time. Yeah, yeah, totally.

Was it worth it? I don't know if it was fucking worth it. But like Willie said, I got asked by a reporter in 06. I don't remember who they worked for, what it would take to win the war in this country. I said, you give every woman here a cell phone in the Internet. and the reporter she's like thought I probably thought I was retarded maybe I'm probably borderline I don't know I'm probably dysfunctional on some level but I was like you give them

the ability to see what's out there and communicate and organize is the women are going to drive this thing because the men there are kind of shitty like if they're not raping each other they're raping goats and shit like that's no joke like they're they're not good people well and there's just so much tribal shit it's tribal shit if they're not fighting us they're fighting each other. Getting back to what Chuck and Willie are saying, that picture I sent you, I was on the school that that girl was from and that they lit on fire. And we were expected to all and get killed that day.

That's why I took that picture because I never, I never, like, did I ever think I would die in battle? Well, that was part of the job. Like, you kind of always know that, but I never wrote a letter to anybody. I never like they would take pictures of us prior to going out like when you first get there so if you do get killed you got a picture I never had any of that so I'm like oh I didn't have a picture either yeah so I'm like well in today's the day no picture yeah if today's the day I at least I want them to have a picture of my determination and and that I was proud to die that day beside my

brothers fighting for that little girl in the well and that police officer and And Willie's totally right about that motivation. My add to that would also be is like, once again, there's 20 years apiece where they could be educated and hopefully get the fuck out of there. Or make it a better place for themselves. Yeah. They had the opportunity. But it all went to shit.

But the other thing we did, we took billions of dollars of economy that was generated by the drug war or the drug trade. So that money was going to terrorism. We stopped that for 20 years of fighting. So that money didn't get to terrorist organizations around the world to kill people in our own country. And I was very proud of that as well. Willie talked about our fight in Hyderabad. And I've got trophy pictures with it before the general flew in.

Don't say anything, John. But there's $25 million in black tar heroin. Like these weren't your average Taliban farmers. These were kidded up, geared up dudes that we were into it with for like four or five, six, however long that fight was. It was a brutal fight. But the intel you guys got. Was six dudes.

That led right back to Canada. Yeah. Oh yeah. We got the book. We got the finance book. And when they were going to blow up that nuclear reactor outside of Toronto. Chalk River. No, it wasn't Chalk River.

Pickering. So that intel that was gathered from these two at that fight. got back to Canada. They found the guys that were going to fucking blow it up because it's all the money trail. So these guys stopped the fucking the nuclear reactor from being blown up in Canada. So like that all means something.

And a good friend of ours, Von Ingram, that got killed later that year. When he got wounded first, I fucking went, got a wine bottle from my stash. Went got a fake wine. It had Pepsi in it. Yeah. Went got a faint wine from the PX and I peeled the label off because it was wet and I put it over the real wine bottle.

And I went and got a porn bag from my stash and I went got a fucking sports illustrated magazine from the PX, took the cover off, slid it over the porn bag, took it into the roll one where Vaughn was being treated. And the nurses are like, what do you got? Oh, I got a sports illustrated magazine and some fake wine. I want to see my buddy Vaughn and see how he's doing. Oh, come this way. sat there on his bed he's got like he almost lost his eyes he's got strapped him all over an RPG hit his vehicle and splashed his face hard yeah so uh i'm like bon you're you're going home and we're drinking wine and he's like oh i'll look at that pouring bag later and i'm like i

appreciate that so anyways uh we're uh we're drinking wine and we're talking about him going home he's like i'm not going no i'm staying here the the last action that where these guys found that book and it led back to stopping that, that thread in Toronto from blowing up that nuclear reactor. My daughter, he's like, my daughter was at a dance school in Toronto,

and I had a niece that was down there at the same time. Like, that's why I'm here. I'm here to fight. I'm a leader of men. I can't leave my men. I'm staying in a fight. And he eventually got killed in the battle in August, where he was recommended,

for Victoria Cross and so we're maybe some other people that we don't know about yet because it's all in the documents that haven't been opened up yet but anyways when you're around these environments

and you speak to these people and you see what they've done it's like I don't want to fucking cry and I cry out of pride really it's not because I'm a fucking cry baby it's because I'm proud of you fuckers but yeah it's so getting back to the Victoria Cross

and the hours that Eddie puts on a phone or fucking behind a computer like writing and getting a hold to every fucking person you can and Insane with Cliff and Hillier and what's the other fellow's name? Bruce Wonker. Like if you guys out there

want to do something I implore you first of all do something in your home to make it better in your community but if you want to do something that's that you might think is a little bit bigger than what you're able to do get all your MP and support

these guys and get and get the word out thank you Jim that's amazing you're a beautiful human being of course I'm amazing don't be a fun grab baby I was I wanted to go back and I don't know how much time we have Sean

are you are you like hey I'm just gonna let you guys fucking do what I've been I've been kind of he has no choice I am not leaving here until I drink. We got another case beer with it. So he was talking about he went to his stash to get wine. And I got to tell you this story.

And Chuck, you may have heard this story. And Sean, you've probably heard this story. A good friend of ours, I won't say his name because I don't want him to be, you know, implicated in a crime. he was sending me care packages in Afghanistan in 2006 and it would I'd get this care package and it weighed like fucking 15 pounds and it's 12 fucking tubes of Pringles and I'm like well Pringles don't fucking actually weigh that much so I'd open this bitch up and every tube of Pringles you can put three fucking beers

in one of those things. So he was a rugby player and he got all the rugby guys to eat Pringles nonstop and mailing me these care packages full of beer. And then another friend of mine, a military guy at the time,

he got, he would go to like Costco or whatever and he would get those big flats of like juice boxes. Like he put in your kids lunch. And he took a surrender. This is how fucking dedicated He took a syringe and he sucked all the fucking juice out.

He was in the air force. He had nothing better to do. Sucked all the juice out of the bottom of the fucking, the bottom, not the top, the bottom, sucked all the juice out and then refilled it with whiskey and wine. So every juice box was like, it was like a fucking advent calendar. You didn't know what you were going to get until you put the fucking straw and it started sucking on that bitch. And he put a piece of wax over the hole. Yeah, he would wax over the hole so it wouldn't leak.

So anyway, I got all this fucking booze. And, you know, I'm a rule follower, Sean. Always have been. So the booze was coming in. And the place I lived in Canada Airfield was called Camp Samick. And it was a tent. And it had these giant air conditioning units that were running through the top of it, like a big pipe. So I put all the booze up there.

So there's big sags in the pipe. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's fucking pipe sagging on. It must be a fucking water leak or something. I don't know. It's fucking rained hard. night never fucking rained um anyway august third happens we we roll back into candahar

and i say to the boys i'm like there's a there's a wooden door on the tent right and it's really just to keep honest people honest and so i'm like close that door make sure nobody can get in here put on the tunes go somebody go buy two cartons of smokes because we're going to smoke cigarettes and fucking get hammered Like, where you got the booze? Yeah. So I pull all this fucking booze out, eh? And there's maybe 12 of us.

And we started fucking giving her. And so anyway, long story short. And maybe I should segue to the Sardin Major. The Sardin Major is, he comes up to the tent and I can hear the door is come. He's trying to open the door. And I'm looking at my buddy Sully, who's like supposed to have made sure the door is unopinable. Well, you know, I mean, Pathfinder. couldn't tie a fucking knot to save his life

door comes fucking flying open Sardin Major's standing there We're smoking cigarettes inside the tent fucking hammered And I'm like... They just got back from losing three dudes 17 wounded like that same night So Sardin Major comes into the fucking tent

And he's like he can't see He's fucking waft and smoke out of the way And he's like everybody Everybody get outside and form up I'm like fuck me So we go out We form up and he's standing in front of us

and he's kind of shaking his head. Tune commander's not there because he got injured so he was gone. Big hole in his foot. So now I'm the fucking man and so I'm like Sard Major

this is all my fault and he goes shut the fuck up. So I'm like fuck. Okay so we're barely standing because we're also fucking drunk and he comes walking by the front row of soldiers because like I said there's 12 of us

who are formed up in two ranks to six and he goes uh huh rucky platoon hey he goes i just wanted to come by and it was it was was kenny zack right and he goes i just wanted to come by and fucking shake all your hands because you guys did some fucking pretty good work today and he shook everybody's hand walked through the two ranks shook everybody's hand he got to me at the end and he goes when you go back in there make sure that nobody can open that fucking and I'll never forget it because it's one of the best leadership lessons in my life I was so fucking proud of that guy I was so proud of my guys like you know the sergeant major was willing to go you need to fucking blow off some steam man you you

know we're going to bury these fucking guys and we're not literally going to bury them but we're going to put them on a fucking airplane in the next day or two and we got the hospitals filled with our dudes and it's just like he understood that and so anyway the reason i'm telling this story is not to fucking get anybody all fucking weepy-eyed the next day or two days later fucking sincler gets back to pan to her airfield and i'm in my i was oh jason a rocket man i'm in my air-conditioned tent i was asked i was asked i was asked to come back and and be part of the ramp ceremony because i knew that bond and i were good buddies yeah um i had to I decided not to come because I knew Vaughn wouldn't leave an operation because I got killed.

So I stayed where I was. And when I did come back, because I obviously know about fucking beer, because it's our same buddy, I'm like, all right, let's have a fucking beer. Let's hear the story. He goes, what beer? I'm like, fuck you, the beer. And I look and the hump is gone. It's fucking flat.

He's like, I couldn't help, but we fucking drag them all. It was fucking insane. And I'm like, okay, rightly so, but I, I was getting wine and cognac from the French commandos. I never shared it with me. Hey, hey, I did later, because we had no fucking beers, I had to get something. We weren't allowed to have any booze on that tour. Like, that was like an $1,800 fine or something if you got caught with booze or.

Until they gave us booze on Canada. Canada Day. That was a fucking shit. Do we ever tell you about Canada Day? No, you haven't. So. It's insane. Somehow

convinced the platoon commander, we have to go back to Canada Har for Canada Day. And he's like, fine, fucking whatever. We go back to Canada Airfield. I think it was Labats. Was it Labats or was it Molson? I thought it was Molson. I thought it was Molson.

It was one of the two of them sent like two C cans fucking filled with beer. and said this is for the Canadian Sea cans? Sea cans? Yeah. Conx is whatever I want to call. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

To Kandahar and said, this is for the Troops for Canada Day. And I don't know who was playing the CanCon show or whatever. No member either. Anyway, fucking the CQ's, the company quartermasters, or they got a roll of tickets and they're like, okay, everybody can have two beers. And of course, those of us that knew,

we were like, CQ, can I have like, 15 tickets and okay okay but I'm only giving you two at a time so we don't get in trouble so anyway it got to the point where people are getting a little bit but we had there's 10,000 people on jovial there's 10,000 people on this base everybody else is dry everybody else is dry except for us and we're there's troops walking around puking and fucking hammered starting fights Pissing in the corners. And so the Americans were very fucking uptight about it. They were like, oh, my God, these Canadians are all fucking air.

Have you ever seen Lord of the Rings where they got the all-seeing eye? Well, they got the all-seeing eye in Canada. So they got this big tower. And you can see the camera looking at you as you're fucking, so like, they're like, holy fuck, what's going on in the Canadian sector? They're all fucking drunk. So, yeah, the colonel goes, all right, fucking, we got to fucking sheds. this down so he sends the word fucking shut it down lock up the fucking seat cans send everybody

home so anyway you know it takes a couple hours for all the drunk fucking troops to find their way home whatever um and then the next day no no but then we come back with the master key yeah but it wasn't until the next day i because i i told you i follow the rules shot i went to bed i might have had one or two more um but anyway next day it's like oh yeah Somebody took the fucking master key and cut the locks on the sea cans and there's no fucking beer left. So the troops,

because the troops are troops, right? They went and cut the fucking locks off and fucking ran off with all the booze and it was chaos. There was drunk Canadians fucking everywhere. All the other contingents were very like fucking the Dutch were like, oh my God, I can't believe it.

The British were like, where'd you get your booze from? Yeah. To go back to Winston Churchill. He was quoted saying If we want to get this war over with And I'm talking World War II He goes, give every Canadian soldier A fucking bottle of whiskey

A 45 pistol in Hardy Davidson And a leaf pass It says Berlin is off limits And the fucking war will be over Yeah We got ours off the CIA dog handlers Just got whatever we wanted from them Oh yeah

Or out in the field We get our A&E guys to go to the next town You went to Grace Land or Gaggart Greenie Slam is good too. Yeah. My second time there, I was very fortunate. I had a sea container on the airfield. They had like all kinds of shit stored in there for uniforms from my guys and extra equipment.

But it also had cases of fucking crown oil whiskey. And it ran into a situation where we had like a dish go of like a Russian machine gun. We used to have to use a security driver to fire a rebar like tripod for it. It was fucking garbage. our farthest contact point was five kilometers and we couldn't hit it the fucking save our lives and that's where they'd mortar us from so i had this american uh sergeant major he's a jumper and i would videotape all my caught like we'd get we'd fight twice an eight and i'd always review the tape and then i'd fucking try and make corrections and because there was a language barrier i'd

use video so he's looking at this and he sees this fucking dish gun and it's fucking rattling around and use it or screwdriver, it's like, fuck, that's a pretty shitting equipment. I go, yeah, I'd love to have some of that stuff that the officers in Canada are, decorate their offices with, and it's all a captured brush and equipment. He goes, you want that shit? I'm like, fucking right, I do. He goes, well, I'm the Camp Sergeant Major. If you want it, next time you're back there, I'll fucking give it to you.

I'm like, really? And I go, when are you going back? He goes, I'm flying out tomorrow. I got 30 officers. I'm taking back on a Chinook. I'm like, I'm on it with you. Because you can't. Like, it's really full.

I go, here's my fucking travel document. So I got travel access of a general. So they bumped to some junior officer. I got on the aircraft, flew back to Canada with him. He missed the birth of his child. Yeah, next morning I show up at his office. He goes, what do you need? I need a fucking document of paper with your signature on saying,

I can have whatever weapon I want from wherever I'm taking it from that's Russian. And I need a five-ton truck. and I need like five guys and a forklift because I don't know what I'm lifting up, right? So, fucking half an hour later, I'm having coffee in his office. I get this paper. I look outside.

There's a fucking five-ton truck, a bunch of troops in a forklift. And I started in the office he was in. I'm like, okay, I'll take that PKM. I'll take that dish guy. And I just went around this entire camp. 10,000 people on this camp. I fucking took everything I wanted.

This five-ton truck looks like a porcupine. and there's barrels sticking out of this thing everywhere. But they've been sitting out in the sun, and they've never been cleaned in years, and they're fucking, they need some servicing. So I go to the British camp, and this is why I'm telling the story, just because Chuck was like, where's the booze?

So I tell the Americans to stay outside of the laydown. I drive into the British laydown. I find their weapons deck. I'm like, where's your worn officer? Boy, he's over there. I'm like, I get my tire over the helix truck. I got a big fucking beard. I look like groundskeeper Willie.

I get scraggle. fucking bald hair. Anyways, I take him out to this truck full of weapons. And he goes, okay, what do you want? Done with him. I'm like, I need them all clean, serviceable, pre-fired. And put on a Chinook down the lines that's heading to Baylor. Every time a fucking Chinook goes out, to bailo put weaponry on it.

He goes, okay, what's in it for me? I'm like, I knew you're going to ask that. I take it back to my tire of the truck. Flip open the tarp and there's two cases. crowd oil whiskey there he looks at the five-town truck follow me so we drive into the camp and he's like all right boys look at this truck get this shit cleaned up so uh and so i went and got paid for my guys if i could take it back a week later the first snook lands with all these new officers and they're rolling out like the dish uh that's on like a wheel it looks like a small

artillery piece we roll it right up to the tower where we shoot at this camelback and that's where they had mortar us from. Fucking game changer. Like they're the total battlefield change that day when we started getting this equipment. And not only did it give me all of the fucking weaponry there, I said instead of confiscate, when you confiscate Russian ammunition, you blow it, blow it up and destroy it, start sending that shit out to us too. Like just directly send it to us, we'll clean it, we'll service it, we'll fucking make it useful. So we used to run. in black ammunition, which means we have

no ammo. So when there was a fight, I'd have to go over there and give authorization to my guys to shoot back, or I would shoot whoever needed to be shot. That was my I was kind of like an acting platoon commander with these Afghans, but anyways, it was a fucking, it was just

an amazing game changer in life and it all goes back to the Brits, where's my booze? It's a fucking great story about, you know, Canadian soldier initiative. And, you know, James embraced it from the second he watched Kelly Heroes, Kelly's Heroes, in terms of, there was no goal.

What are you taking trade? He's like, I know, I know, I got, I got you. You just got to get me. And it's funny how, you know, there's a lot of war movies out there and that's a consistent theme is there's always a deal maker. There's always somebody that's making shit happen because you can't get it done through the regular chance. You watch mass, the old TV show.

It's all about the bird. It's all about the trade. or the steel or the... Well, we'll look at our carriers when we first got there. We had no blast blankets. I went up to my CQ. I'm like, there's no fucking blast blankets.

And we had all these seat containers in our laydown. I'm like, give me the master key. I started cutting up. I opened up all these seat containers and there's artillery pieces and there they're... An American unit

that was taking them back to wherever. I opened one seat container 40 feet long, by eight feet, stacked right to the roof of blast blankets. And I made my fucking driver hauled all the shit out and we put blast blankets everywhere. We were the first vehicle out of the wire that got blown up.

And it was right underneath his seat. And our good buddy Bowen, it happened. He was in my platoon and rec he got his ass fucking blown off. And if we would have had blast blankets, it would have saved his ass. But it did save this young kid's ass. And he fucking thanked me like for the rest of that entire year. Blonde skinny kid. He was a driver.

Yeah, yeah. We ended up actually giving blast blankets to the Brits because they, these poor fuckers, they're rolling around in Land Rovers. Yeah. With no blast blankets. Their metal plate was the size of a fucking card, like a deck of cards. Literally just covered their heart. Our black, I mean, listen, our ceramic plates were so big and cumbersome and fucking miserable.

They fuck, though. But those guys, like their plates literally were like designed to. cover just like it's going to save your life like you could get shot somewhere else it's not going to kill you immediately we want you you'll suffer you'll suffer you'll suffer but it's not to kill you immediately this little tiny fucking plate and they had no glass blankets and they're like please can we have some blast blankets we're like yeah fuck yeah man there's a 40-foot seat container over there fucking help yourself absolute savage fighters though you know if i keep this going they're going to drink that case of beer five or four beers away we're all

We're already done 12. We're already done 12. We're fucking going to crack that second. Chuck's driving back tonight. Fuck him. Hey, listen. Listen. That's his own choice. That's his own fucking.

It's only quarter to five. That isn't our fault. But listen, Sean, I'm glad you jumped in because you've got to have some more questions for us. You've been patiently listening to us. Talk shit. You're the pro here. You know what's been bugging me? Is your, you keep, somehow you keep adjusting it and your mic,

keeps going lower and lower. I feel like you're going to be talking like this. Like could you, could you just, could you just raise up that? That's why I should have been here at the beginning. I'd fucking. No, no,

no, not that, Jamie, not that, this, look, look, look, look,

look, you could just, oh my good, oh my goodness. Yeah, that guy scares me. We can hear you now. Jesus Christ.

Every time, every time you go for a leak, your, your mic setting just gets even worse. Give me a pill or a hose. That's all I need. Yeah. you know what no

hey listen this is my own thing no this is beautiful I love this set up this is my own issue I'm not asking you to change a goddamn thing except for we gotta get you

some fucking army flags in here well I and a beer fridge and a fucking beer fridge whoa whoa everybody just relax okay you come in and okay I do the first podcast in here and then I get text

twos calls me show twos and he's like you know what you need to and I'm like before you say anything I'm gonna tell you you exactly what's going to happen over the next month that wall needs to get finished and then when that wall gets finished

a whole bunch of things you're going to change in it the way it is you kind of like it the way it's you wait until it's you wait until it's see it I've been trying to figure out how to arrange those fucking phone things I want to I want to know what the gun range is going to do it's like even with the

fucking window thing it's been going through my head for you know I can't wait for Jack to be editing this and be like What the heck is going on behind Chuck's head? And I'm like, you know what? Everybody just relax, okay? Nobody's worried about the 18 bottles of beer in front of these two Yahoo's.

No, they're going to nitpick a couple of things. I tell you what, in another month's time, or in a couple months' time, when you boys are back in, you're going to be like, now this is more like it. I love it. Yeah, me too. Well, hey, and a shout out to all the guys that did all this. Yeah. Like amazing carpentry.

Thank you. You know, fucking good stuff and Chuck cutting trees down. I noticed he dropped one or two on them fancy cars out there But actually You know you know when when When when There was a giant

Chuck can attest to this When we came and Cut trees down There was a giant one That was broke And it was leaning on like four trees And you could hear every time the wind went They'd all start creaking

And they cut it down with They tied it off And then two guys would change off Down with tooth floss. Troy Clark and I think it was Rhett Fountain. Was there a third in there? Might have been Seth Bloom maybe. There was a group of them.

They tied it off at the top and then they pulled on it with a long freaking rope. I was amazed instead of like taking, you know, because my dad and my dad and two of my older brothers have a trucking company. So we were going to get a picker out to hook onto it that way they could just cut it and then just lift it out of there. And then they're like, no, no, no. We want the challenge. We want the challenge.

I'm like, whatever. Just don't let it drop on the old car. And when they laid it down, Jamie, it was probably like four inches from that car. Nice. And it was like perfection. And that was a giant,

giant tree that came down. So there's been a lot of cool people lay their hands on this project, which has been a lot of fun to work with. Very beautiful. Yeah. Send them down to Regina Beach later. I got a fucking,

I might have something. I tell you what, if anyone's going camping, they should stop at Regina Beach. They should come and totally. see you've had a few come through i believe and keep phoning because i've had like this last summer i'd like two or three people phone me they came in they had fucking great time uh from manitoba and and i apologize for forget forgetting your names right now like i've been blown up twice what was it

lee was lee yeah lee was one of them yeah and uh oh shout out to morley i phoned him on the way up here. I said, Willie and I are going to be in, oh, Willie and I are going to be in, uh, in Lloyd. You're coming up for some beers. He's like, I'd fucking love to you, but I got to move a rig. So shout out to Marley. There's another fucking beaut. There's another, uh, big bastard out of, uh, out of, um, mountain, uh, Rocky Mountain House. Big cattle farmer. Good dude. Uh, he was at your cornerstone. Drew? Kid, oh, kidby. He phoned for my number. He you from a number.

Oh, man, I don't know. Whatever name you say he's going to say yes. Well, Drew McKay is, is he from Rocky Mountain? From Rocky. Big, tall, son of him. Yeah, fucking. Big, big man, told you. That's a guy that, like, he'd be a fucking great man and take the battle.

Just a fucking beast of a man. Well, so would Morley. He's a bit of a maniac. We'd have to put some supervision on him. He'd be fucking run around killing anything. The fuck, supervision never work with you. Yeah. Hey, fuck, you got to keep up.

It still fucking doesn't. It's just like, okay, like when I went to Regina a couple weeks ago, and it was like, okay, we're going to see the mayor, and then we're going to see the mayor, and then we're going to go see the premier, and we're going to, blah, blah, blah, I was like, all right, man, you're my new, uh, press agent, yeah, I'm his fucking, uh, I'll just go wherever you tell me. It was, because if I argued, it wouldn't have mattered, like one bit. It would have just been like, I don't care. Did we not have fun?

It would have been, we had a great time. It would have been, hey. made a great time we met a guy from BC a granola head in the oh that guy he's a doctor yeah doctor from BC

yeah he was there drinking LJ fucking slushies or whatever upside down pineapple shirts and shit it's like oh my good all right let's hear what he has to say gentlemen appreciate you coming in doing this and are you shutting this down

I am a minute wait a I am. I am getting to shut up. We're not done. We're not ready. We just open to beer. You got to give us at least that much. Come on.

You know what's funny? Chuck. So these two, they show up late, you know. We all wait on Jamie and then they're going to give me a... I drove through a fucking ice storm. Five hours. Don't want to hear your excuses, Jamie. Don't hear them.

Fuck you. Come on. You've got to give us five minutes. I think we should. I think maybe... Jesus. I think maybe Chuck should. tell the

Hyderabad story that that'd be a fitting end to this whole sure shit show of a what the battle good podcast yeah just talk to her

talk to it man okay I'll hit the highlights anyway so yeah it was mid mid July we got woken up in a big leager big like hundreds of vehicles at night we roll in

we're like 11 o'clock we're gonna get some sleep no problem we haven't slept in I don't know how long now and we're not even gonna do watch because there's all these vehicles but in how

half hour after getting down got woken up well you're going to you're going to go hit a spot like okay so we go do orders like get the get the spiel of what we're going to go do like rec he's going to go in with some snipers and they're going to get eyes on the spot and it's an iED factory there's like six dudes and it's a hard knock hard knock you just you get to kill them there's no hey and you just go in and do it which is great so we're like fucking yeah let's go do this thing so rec he's going to secure it sniper overwatch we're going to go bust it in and smash it up about four in the morning we're rolling we're moving and this place is only a couple kilometers maybe five kilometers from the leager and the light is just starting to come up and we can

hear uh who is your signal or the stutter smitty smitty which is funny because the platoon commander john hamilton also has a bit of a stutter so it's always funny to hear them argue but uh at first you can hear smitty on the radio saying like we're going to be in contact like he's basically predicting they're going to be in a fight and sure shit seconds later it just looks like the sky is lit up there's tracer everywhere RPG's going off everywhere and we've been told our platoon had been told you are not to go in until the OC releases you to go in like a very formal kind of a battle plan kind of thing more normally we're just like shooting go get kill that should tell you a lot about the OC yeah he was not with us it was also he was not with us it was just our

platoon going in to do this assault. So with with Recky and sniper debts. So we're watching this gunfight from maybe three, four hundred meters away in our tuckdown position. And we're just like, this is way too much. Like I know all the Recky guys. Like I friends with most of them. There's only a handful of them. There's not like a whole bunch of you. 12. There's 12 of you. And we're like, this is way bigger than six dudes shooting at them. So I'm looking at my platoon commander who's a young guy, very young guy. Great, good guy replaced our first guy that got blown up. Ben, right? Ben recharge, yeah.

Good dude. Yeah, very solid. Our first platoon commander got blown up earlier in the tour. John Coucher. Got a heel blown off. Yeah. Great guy. John and great, great platoon commander.

Very solid platoon commander. Great human too. So we're looking at him telling him we got to fucking go. We're just, we have to fucking go. All of us in the back of our hatches are, like, we have to go. And he's, he's doing the, I'm waiting on word. and finally he says fuck it now he was he'd only been in country like a month so he's and we were already calway platoon which he'd been told to rein in so he was kind of like what you know

but by this point we'd kind of broken him he was pretty strong characters there he was he'd become one of us i think at this point um yeah he had we'd broken him can i can i stop you for a minute when he first got to afghanistan we were at martello martello yep and we'd just been ID with a... There was a town called Chalbar where a Chinook had been shot down a couple months earlier and so we get a task from the colonel to go

do an observation post on Chalbar and there's going to be an air mobile assault the next day and so Ben Richards like first he gets to Kandahar he flies in you know brand new replacement platoon commander and he is he is like so clean and shiny

and I remember my platoon we'd been out in the in the rhubarb for about three weeks and and Mark Pickford comes over with this new guy and he's like and and so it's your platoon that's going to come do the Air Mobile so I'm like I'm like yeah we're going to go set up here here and here and I'm thinking we're going to put you know landing sites here and here and we'll set up a fire a fire base for you guys and overwatch and all this and and I'm talking to Mark Pickford which was Chuck's platoon warrant and the platoon commander

Ben is standing beside him and and he's like trying to engage in the conversation and finally I look at Mark and I go who the fuck is this guy so that's

the new platoon commander I'm like all right okay so yeah you just go stand over there let the adults take care of the of this and then you just do what Mark tells you to do and he's kind of looking like I have no fucking

an idea what I got myself into here and it was fucking hilarious anyway carry on it we had been without a platoon commander for going on two months and we were already we were probably already the least

controllable group of assholes there were and that bunch and so they sent us a ring knocker ring knockers they'd been to the special college and they drank tea differently than their other officers and he was supposed to catch us up into line and we got it when we were like, we broke him quick.

Anyway, it turned out to be a great fighter, good guy. Yeah, awesome, dude. Yeah. So we're watching this gunfight and finally Ben's like, fuck it, we're going. And you just see him mouth, we can't hear over the vehicles in the gunfire. We're like, he's like, fuck it, we're going. And he does the old judo chop and we're like, yes, let's fucking go.

So we're hungry for, we are friends, we're listening to John Hamilton, their platoon commander on the radio, one transmission saying, about to be overrun if we don't get help we're about to be overrun and we're like we have to fucking go so we bust bust up and um turns out there's not six dudes is closer to 50 plus dudes from the count from the counts we had and uh we roll through and we fight we're literally in our vehicles trying to get up to where they are smashing away at the taliban on our way in and we we're not going to too part and too much into this part of the story but we see there when you say

you're sitting there and you're like we got to go we got to go the thing is it 13 hours in bengazi is that the movie yeah where they're sitting there and they're like they can hear the place that's like five minutes down the road being attacked and like we got to go we're like well we can't get we can't go it's the worst feeling in the world waiting when you know your friends are under attack getting pummeled they're telling you like it's bad if one of your friends is saying we're it's about to go it's we're going to be done because you don't say that on the radio like you'll fight through whatever you're fighting through but when it's that bad and somebody says it on the radio it's fucking bad probably worse than it is so we're like we're at this point

me and two of the other squad leads in the back of the cars were like we're just fucking going and then ben was like we're doing it let's go and as we roll through willie's platoon's empty vehicles were in a piece of ground hidden away and at the time and i'm not going to get into this part of the story because it's not meant for here it isn't yeah but one of his one of my one of our mutual friends had somebody in a leadership position and was throttling them basically and because there wasn't any help coming towards them from those vehicles if you know what i mean so somebody was really dropping the ball hard here when a gunfight is happening 100 meters away 200 meters away maybe um so yeah it was probably yeah it was probably yeah it was probably

two 300 meters yeah like just to be fair yeah it was a couple hundred meters yeah but they could have got it he could have got them close enough yeah close enough so we're all like watching this as we drive by like this is fucking weird and go on into the fight and we drop ramps and we're doing our thing uh maris janik another huge human and wrecky platoon um he takes around in the back in his plate thankfully they're big plates because he's a monster of a man um knocks him over he gets you know you're your medic i don't remember your medic's name scy No, Jason Lamont. Jason Lamont.

He was dragging him in a ditch and a C-9. And actually, Jason Lamont got the Medal of Military Valor for that because Mars went down. I thought he was fucking dead. Yeah. And I'm screaming, Mars is down, Mars is down. And this kid, he's just like, we're, like, it's bowling alley, it's open field. Yeah. This kid's like, I got to go help him.

Gets up, runs across the open, fucking terrain, bullets skipping at his feet, dives into the fucking ditch where Mars is. Yeah. Anyway, that's a different story. Well, and Mars is, with gear on, had to have been 350 pounds easily. Big mother thing. He was 240 for sure. And Lamont, like, Lamont is like, what?

Yeah, you know. 150 pounds. He was six inches taller in me. Yeah, probably. But this is what I'm talking. Like, this guy knows he's probably anticipating getting hit and goes to do what he can, you know. Now, Mars, at some point, fucking. and shrugs his shoulders a little bit

and he's like, I'm good, I'm fighting, let's do this because he's Mars fucking Janick. Also beauty on the third, Mars fucking Janick again, like beauty. So we roll in and it's, we've broken this, imagine this table is the Taliban surrounding Recky. We've now inserted ourselves

in the middle of this circle of chaotic shit going on and we're like, well, this was a horrible idea. Now we're here. And there's not a bunch of us either. Like you'd said earlier, I think you said, like, a third of your guys are all gone on leave at any point. And I think at this point, leave was done. But we'd left a third of our fighting force in Martello, a useless camp.

That was fucking good for a lot. So I'm dismounting with me and three dudes. I should have seven, which is still not enough, but seven's better than, you know, me and three dudes. And we're all in a situation. So we get out and we're looking around like, well, there's Recky. Recky's doing a thing here. And it's really loud over here. Let's go shoot.

this shit up and we run into a couple of the snipers that were there and they're engaging heavily i think they shot more guys of their rifles than their sniper rifles they did they did yeah totally but you're the snipers were super effective that day and yeah they were the long story short because i know we're short on time it turned out we're you're fucking like we got case of beer there chuck long that battle lasted a solid four or five hours i mean there was a story after you can't just have I never got to say one that we we we uh there was different parts of the fight obviously like the you know it got kicked up again it got going again a few times as they kept they they kept coming back to try and get the dope out they knew if wherever they were going

without that 25 million opium they're not they're dead they're dead and these guys were geared they were good to go they knew how to fight they were flanking hard they were doing stuff that we would do you didn't always run into guys that capable these guys were capable and we put down a fucking ton of them that day too and it ended with one of them trying to like half an hour after the fight trying to suicide bomber us like he came in with a in with a he was vested up and we put him down too but uh it was one of those moments where the fight had left us like we'd get that adrenaline dump where you're like yeah yeah yeah and you're now the complacency and then you got to go back then you got to bring it right back up

Because this dude comes at us and we're like, he wanted to get my vehicle. My guys shot him off my vehicle. And then he came right for us and he got put down. But it was one of those things where like the fight just didn't seem to ever end. And it didn't end. We fought for the next couple of weeks after that. So we ended up in saving this British Commando outfit. And I've told this story before, like the first time of...

Before that, wasn't it? No, that was after. That was after. So the British Commandos needed help, and they're like, send 10 Mountain Division is what the Americans were going to do. And they're like, no, send the Canadians. Because we just fought in Pejway. We had three days to kill 750 bad guys. We did it in 12 hours.

So General Freakily, that's the coin he carries in. It's pretty cool. You got a coin. Anyways, he's like, the Canadian. These Canadians. Jamie must be a few beers in. for him to give a compliment like that. Yeah, I love you, Chuck.

You know that. Anyways, he goes, you guys are our new, you're my new fucking henchman. Like, wherever there's trouble in Afghanistan, I'm setting you. So now we get sent up to save these Brits. So, quick story in World War II,

there's a guy in Regina Beach, my hometown, Lorne Mack, saved the Brit Pairs in Arnhem. Same fucking town. My son's named after Lord Mack. get sent to fucking save the British Commandos for a second time in history from the same fucking town.

So anyways, we go save them but when we go back it took us three weeks get home because everybody had shot at us on the way up. We made sure Colonel Hope he fucking got on the radio as we're leaving that town he goes, we're paying

a visit to everybody had shot at us on the way up here. And we fought basically from Northern Helmint to almost the Pakistani border. and every day was a fucking scrap everybody that shot at us we fucking paid a visit too it was fucking awesome you know i have a final thought but i kind of want to wait for willie to come back in but i think no keep going because i want to i want to make sure willy's in here for for so so getting back to to to his platoon they they kicked ass like i was fucking jealous

i wasn't in their platoon um i tried to get you interlequin i know and and willie tried to get me I can be tuned to, and I love you guys for that. The thing was, when their platoon commander got wounded and now, Mark Pickford, Mark Pickford was the platoon warrant, it was like those guys would fucking eat their own guts for Mark. They loved them so much, right? And, and fucking, whenever there was shit going down, like with Chuck fucking hit, like, with Chuck fucking

hit like I don't give Chuck too many compliments but I would fucking go anywhere he and say with this guy I'd follow these two guys to the end of the earth

and the only reason I'll give him lots of compliments because fucking we tease the shit out of each other we love each other we're like brothers go straight to his head go straight to his head

or his forearm that's already too big anyways I love the guy and we like pulling the piss out of each other but um no

like if you want the fight if the two best fighting patoons actually there's three there's one in chartered company actually beat company had a good baton as well there's like four really good patoons out of our battle group but these guys probably tied for number one I wasn't part of that

I got to work with both of them to do certain things which I was very thankful but like when it comes to combat experience these guys have more than me on that tour and they're fucking they're legends legends I want this is what I want to say to end this off not because I want you out of here I'm just like wait I got to go out of piss no stop it stop it I was going to say the the cool thing is I'm glad you guys want to stay and that you like one of the one of the the thought process around having a round table is it just it's easier you think back to the old studio and having to like you know you're kind of like you know and we're kind of all crammed in a small spot somebody walks down the hall you can hear it I mean we can hear the doors going every time you can greet Okay, wait a minute.

I can't go piss because you don't want to talk about a round table. Is that what you talking about? Just put a urnol over here, something off camera. Okay, I'll wait, I'll wait. That's the other thing. You need to have a urinal. Even a piss tube. Yeah.

Piss tube for every chair. It's a good sink. So, so, listen, I got to tell you this because it's, it's important. It's important. We're into the important thing. Get a not bad. We used to go on the big milk. and the, what did we call the big exercise in the...

Wait, RVs. RVs. The whole fucking army would show up for RV and Wainwrights. And we built these giant bivouac camps, these giant bivouac camps. The listeners are in for an experience today. We got the first spill in the... First spill in the studio. Yeah, here we go. And we had piss tubes.

and it was literally a chunk of PVC pipe with some mesh over top of it dug into the ground and there is so much soiled ground in the air right because of the piss tubes then they got smart because of the flies you're not even talking into the mic

and it's put some screen over the piss dudes you should put some screen over the mic breathmates in there and I'm like McDonald stop eating a fucking breathman Man, to keep the flies away. All right, gentlemen, thank you for coming in and doing this. As we're, as we're going, there's three hours. So gentlemen, thanks for, thanks for doing this.

Always a pleasure to have you in here. Thanks, Sean. It's a nice christening for the old, or the new studio, I guess. That's a great Christmas story for all the listeners. Yes, yes, and Merry Christmas. And get out and support your communities and write a letter to your MLA and phone them. please for the people of this country. Gentlemen, thanks.

All right, that was a good one.