Shaun Newman Podcast - #978 - Pat Stedman

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

Patrick Stedman is a dating and relationship coach specializing in men's advice on attraction, female psychology, and building healthy long-term relationships. He runs a coaching business with private sessions, a masterclass, and a newsletter. He went to prison for his participation in the J6 protest and received a presidential pardon in 2025.Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Prophet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] the code “SNP” on all ordersGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Pat Stedman. Pat, thanks for hopping back on. It's been a year. It has literally been a year, and it's great to be back. It's great to, you know, I really appreciate it.

I appreciate the offer to come back on. Well, one of the things in the audience certainly, knows about it but uh every uh new year's eve i count down the top 25 episodes and you know for most people they're like you you keep track of this all year and i'm like no like i don't keep track of it it's one of the fun things i do in december where i started adding up all the numbers i'm like really oh i didn't see that coming or you know like and who pops in the top 25 but pat's steadman and i'm like i wonder how pat's doing and you know with january 6 i mean obviously right around the corner I'm like, well, it just makes sense in my brain to bring Pat back on and see how things are

going. And now you're in Poland. And I'm like, okay, well, if people miss the first time you're on it, and I, why didn't I have this pulled up, Pat? You know, this is how my day is going this morning. But I'll pull it up because people should go back and listen to your story. You were back on, man, it is a long time ago. You're going to be episode 978. And Pat's first time on the show, folks, with 773. So go back and listen to episode 773 if you want to hear the entirety of Pat's story. Regardless, you're in Poland now.

Like, walk me through this. Yeah, so a couple of reasons for it. I mean, this was always the plan. And I want to emphasize, like, this is not some long-term permanent thing. And it's not some, like, Dumer, escape, escape the West. You know, especially be, I always find that a little bit funny because Poland is still in the EU, so it's not even like you're really escaping anything. But I get it, you know, it's a homogenous country.

There's none of the replacement migration stuff going on. It's very stable, domestically speaking. But the reason I'm over here is not that. The reason I'm over here is because my wife is Polish. And we always intended to come over here. It was the plan to come over here in the spring of 2021. and then I was arrested after January 6th, I lost my passport. So I couldn't even, I didn't even travel abroad until spring of last year when I came here for the first time.

And it was a very healing experience because, you know, I don't mean to, this is not something I'm trying to brag about, right? Because I've lost a lot, you know what I mean? But it really is a beautiful apartment. And my wife did such an amazing job decorating it. It was in like design competitions in Europe. submitted in there by by you know by the the person who she worked with to put it together so i came here in the spring and the combination of just like the calmness of the country domestically and just you know how clean and not you know noisy or chaotic and the fact

that i'm like i actually have something because in the states you know i'm lost a million dollars with all the J6 stuff like totally still paying off debts with it so to come here and to have this apartment that was prep for me to be in five years ago it was very healing it was very healing and so because of all the J6 stuff I've been with my parents for a long time ever since COVID basically it was supposed to be just like a transitional year we got stuck there so we knew it was time to go we came there with a cat. We were leaving with three kids. And it's a three-bedroom house. So it was, there was like a kid in every bed. You know what I mean? It was, it was time to go. It was time to go. So they were gracious enough to extend our stay through the birth of my third son, Thomas and August.

And we left mid-December. We're over here and intended to be here for about a year and a half. can you talk to me about a calm country what that feels like because i'm like you know i just came back from the united states and uh you know while i'm sitting in minnesota all the things are breaking on you know i don't know where they calling it smolliagate or whatever you know just all the things and you're like uh like okay and then i come back to canada and uh canada is just in turmoil at all at the best of times right now and then you know venezuela happens i'm like man alive. This is not going to be a dull year. 2026 is not going to be dull. When you say calm and I'm kind of curious because one of the things, you know, over west to stare at Poland and you, you know,

seems like, you know, people can rag on the leaders of there, but it seems like they have their stuff together. Maybe I'm, maybe that's just optimistic thinking. You know, I hate to just be direct about it, but it is no, 26. I think it's time. It's a homogenous country. And there's a And it's one of those things that, like, you might get taste of it if you live in, like, a homogenous town, right? But when you come over here, you see that, like, everybody's on the same page on some level. It doesn't mean that they all agree about the same things. You know, there's a political left in Poland as well. Even if they're not super powerful, the center right, center right is kind of like left.

in the sense of where it allies with on the European level. But the thing about it is just there's no, I didn't really like appreciate it, especially being in prison, frankly, because in prison you really feel that sense of fragmentation, group fragmentation, right, in that sort of, that you're in a chaotic environment where you don't know where anybody around you stands necessarily.

being in Poland, it's like, you know everybody there is pretty much Polish. And the number of people who aren't are so few that they know that they're not going to mess with anything because they have no ability to break into that consciousness. So there's like a strong collective consciousness in Poland. And it creates a sense of peace and coherence to give you an idea. And, you know, my wife gets a little bit annoyed about this. I mean, she did emigrate to America in the end, right? So she's got some American flared her.

But in Poland, you have the crosslights, right? If no car's there, nobody will cross the street if the light hasn't turned. And, you know, New York was more like our speed in the sense that, like, you're just going to go whenever it makes sense for you to go pretty much, right? But when I came back to Poland and I saw people doing that, I was like, you know, first of all, they find you if you do cross. But I'm like, I respect it because this is the price you pay for the rest. This little bit of order, this little bit of inconvenience that you maybe have to wait a light an extra 30 seconds when you don't, there's no logical reason to. That's the price you pay for the coherence of the entire polity. So that's sort of what I mean.

I don't know if that makes sense, but you just, you, you feel like you're in a real country. And what I want to say is this. And this is like my wife and I were just joking about this last night. Poland is not the best run country. It's not, really. I mean, everybody's going to complain. Poles are notorious for complaining. So they're always going to be down.

You mentioned that you moved the pole and they're like, why would you move here? It's like, have you been anywhere else in a while, you know? But one of the things is that the country is just the bar is so low. The fact that you do have that coherent thought pattern, you don't have massive corruption. It's a high trust society that even though there's a lot of things that they do wrong and there's problems in various systems, it's just not sinking. everything else is sinking and it's not and so you know if we could compare it to Canada 40 years ago it would probably be lacking in a lot of ways right or America for that

matter so but yeah I'm happy to be here it's it's healing experience that's for sure must be uh interesting to be on the outside of America as well I assume like staring back and like seeing some of the stuff going on you know I mean Somalia stuff in Minnesota and then, I mean, just, I mean, like, I don't know how many hours ago now, Trump going in or the U.S. going into Venezuela. I mean, I was watching your broadcast this morning on that. You know, your thoughts, you know, sitting apart from the United States, right? Like, you get an outsider's view now on how people are talking about the United States, seeing everything going on. Your thoughts on it. Well, I'm super proud of, proud to be in America.

And especially now that we are in the process of taking the country back. And I think the entire Western world we're in that process. And I've always been, I mean, you can call me delusionally optimistic in the sense that like maybe I have too much faith or I'm in the sense that I might think things are going to get good sooner than they actually get good. But I'm always on that side of the spectrum with things. I've always seen us taking the country back. And so to me, all this stuff coming out is like it's such a long time coming.

It's, you know, it's cathartic. It will be cathartic when it finally all comes together. And I think that we're almost there. Like I always said when Trump was elected, I always said that he had a year to a year and a half tops before he went direct action against these people. And everybody on Twitter was like going crazy about that. They're saying, why didn't you do it, you know, 10 weeks? You know, like, why do you do it now?

Why don't you do it now? You know, and then I think, I think you're, you know, your friend Tom Longgo says it really well that a lot of these people need to be in therapy because geopolitics don't revolve around their neuroticism and anxiety. And there was no incentive. There was no need to rush it. Now, I do think that we are entering into that period where, the seeds have been planted, the pieces are in place, and the action has to happen,

I've always felt that America is going to have a really good July 4th, a really good 250th. I think that was always his plan to have a really good 250th, and I think you're going to see a lot of really intense action the next three months in particular, but going all the way up there. I think February and March are going to be particularly serious. When you're talking, you know, like the lead-up, I guess I didn't even realize it's the 250th, July 4th. When you're in the lead-up to that and you're going, it's going to get some serious stuff is going to go down. What are you, like, where does your mind go? Where, like, you know, okay, so you got, you got Maduro.

Am I saying that right? Yeah, I think so. Oh, my goodness. I tell you what. And as I would say it. I was saying to Pat this morning folks that since coming back from holidays I don't know if CIS has got a hold of my computer or what

but nothing seems to want to work for me I'm sure it's nothing that nefarious but at the same time I'm always kind of curious when I'm talking to the people I am then I'm like is it a possibility it's possibility so I've been having nothing go right this morning other than this now so I mean I guess let's look at the posit

when you're staring at the next few months and you go serious things are probably coming down the pipe what are you talking specifically about insurrection act the insurrection act is coming the military is going to be deployed and there's going to be there's going to be mass arrests now i don't know the order of operations if they are going to attempt to do some you know standard indictments or if those two things are going to be layered on top of each other But the issue with the regular indictments, and this is something a lot of the people who have criticized Pam Bondi and Cash Patel. And I'm not saying that, like, I'm like absolutely in love with Pam Bondi. You know, I've certainly heard the rumors of her kind of camping out in Florida.

But there's also reasons that she's there. There's reasons she's still there. And I don't think that she's missing, like she's won pretty much every case in front of the Supreme Court. Right. And a lot of the jurisdictional stuff that Trump's been moving things to Florida, a lot of these cases are going to be happening out of Florida. That being said, some of these cases you can't have out of Florida. And what we've seen is that either saboteurs within the Justice Department, but more commonly, Congress refusing to confirm deputy, you know, district attorneys for the various districts around the country, and then, of course, you have the corrupt judiciary. So what do you do when you can't get the justice in the justice system?

Just a little bit ago, like I think it was two weeks ago, Trump went to the Supreme Court basically to say, what am I supposed to do about all these blue state governors who are refusing ICE, the refusing ICE ability to do their job? This is a violation of the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, right? The three liberal justices recuse themselves. and Kavanaugh wrote the majority opinion that said, well, you do have the Insurrection Act.

So basically telling him, yeah, you can do it. You're allowed to do it. And he knew he could do it, but this is like you get that little extra bit of judicial from the high court, which is the only court that actually matters constitutionally because every other court is a creation of Congress. So it's coming because it has to happen. it's coming because there's no other vector for the change to occur at the end of the day that's why they've been so opposed to Hegsef from the very beginning he's the one they went

after the most because Hegseth controls the military basically for Trump and he's willing to do we've seen it with the external actions but look at the stuff with Maduro and I think there's a lot of pieces to it whether we're talking about you know silver or oil or just you know geostrategic supremacy for the United States, drug trafficking. But I think that the election fraud stuff is very much there. Trump, at the same time after Maduro was picked up, you saw him posting about the election fraud going through Smartmatic and Dominion in Venezuela. So if Maduro is cooperating, which I think was part of the deal, because they picked up his wife, why else would you pick up his wife, then I think that you're going to start to see all the stuff of the 2020

elections start to pour out. And that's treason. So what's going to happen? The public's been primed this entire time for this event. And that's why everyone who's saying you should do it now, do it now. Why haven't you responded? Why haven't you responded? You got to make sure the public is completely on board with what you're doing, that they understand why you have to do what you're doing because otherwise all you get is the civil war scenario which is what they always wanted they always wanted a civil war i i wrote about this in prison a piece called the american soul that talked about this so specifically that that is always they knew they couldn't take over the country so they were going to try to destroy it the whole red state blue state thing it's a

manufactured narrative like i looked at electoral maps throughout history and all the way up until the 2000 election the first one where you had you know not the to say that there haven't been contested elections in the past, but not like polarized in very strong blocks like that. The American electorate would change around pretty much every election. You might have some areas that leaned a little bit more, but not individual states would flip. And I know demographics has something to do with that. But you had in 2000, you had the hanging chats, right? Bush Gore. So as a result of these issues with the paper ballots, what happened was that they started to create. So for 2004 onward, you had voting

machines. And ever since you had voting machines, you had a consistently polarized political map so that every single election was basically, you either had blue states or red states. And that was it. And I don't really buy that. I think you have blue cities, but I don't really think that you have, with the exception of, like, Vermont, blue states. much in the United States. It's not that split if you start to deal with the electronic voting fraud in the fraud from immigrants be having their, you know, votes bought off in the cities. Well, after Trump was shot, I was sitting in, I forget what that was, was that 10 days after? It was close. I just, any, once again, we're on our way to my wife's place, or in-laws in Minnesota.

and Trump came through Minnesota. And I was like, Trump's coming through Minnesota? Holy crap, right? Like, and it was like an hour away. I'm like, and then I went on. I'm like, there's no way I'm going to get a ticket to this. And then I did get a ticket. And I'm like, okay, I'm going.

And so I drove the hour thinking, I'm going to be one of ten people there. Right? What a silly thought for a Canadian. But regardless, I was like, this is wild. I can't believe he's an hour away, 10 days after he's been shot. And I went there and I was shocked at the thousands, probably tens of thousands of people in Minnesota that showed up for Trump. It was quite an experience, if I'm being completely honest. I just always assumed all of Minnesota, as you're saying, was a blue state, right?

That's what they talk about. It's a blue state. It's a blue state. Everything I see around Minneapolis would suggest it's a blue state, like full stop. But then you go to the north and you get an hour out of the city and all of a sudden it turns. completely red. And once again, do I know

all the inner workings in Minnesota folks? No, I do not. But it was hard not to see it with my own eyes. The fanfare

for Donald Trump being there now. I mean, 10 days after being shot as well. But it was like, honestly, the only thing

that I could put it even remotely close to was going to probably like an NFL football game, like the tailgating, except no drinking. I was expecting

like everybody would be drunk. That wasn't the case. Yeah, I don't do that. Yeah. No, like it was, So maybe, I don't know, maybe a W.W.E match or something, you know, like the outside was probably, I mean, was the inside better? Sure. We got there. You had to show up at like 10 a.m. for a 6 p.m. event. There was people that camped out the night before. And by 2 o'clock, everybody was walking back. So at 6 o'clock when we were rolling in, the people were laughing at it's like, yeah, it's been, since 2 o'clock it's been sold out. I'm like, oh. So then you went to like the, I don't know, the.

pit the big screened area and you just stood there and watched it was wild it was full stop wild an experience that i'm glad i took the the hour drive to go experience because i if you didn't see it i don't think i would have believed how many thousands of people showed up yeah it's a i mean he's a phenomenon he's absolutely a phenomenon i mean i'm a fan boy you know obviously i'm a fan boy but I've been to I think two of his rallies plus of course January 6th and I mean that one was was nuts that was so many people and I was fortunate enough to get there I guess fortunate enough that's kind of funny thing to say about that day but I was fortunate enough to get there like 5 a.m. in the morning to wait in line so I actually had outside of the VIP section I had

had front row to watch him give a speech over there but yeah i mean we're we're on a good trajectory people got to have people got to have more faith and i think i'm also somebody like a very spiritually inclined person so you know you have all the political lens that you layer things in but then there's the bigger one when you see what these people even if you don't particularly believe in some of these things it starts to become pretty clear over time that they believe in a lot of demonic satanic stuff And you just see the whole arc of it, the whole arc of the evil that they tried to pursue with their agenda, the evil that they want for the world. And then you see something like Trump's first victory, which was something that in itself maybe alone destroyed their entire plans because it threw off the timing of everything.

They can never fully get back on course after that. But then you have the assassination attempts, something that there's no way he should have survived. And I think at that point, it was like, you need to start to believe. Even if you, even if parts of you are like, well, I don't understand what's going on. Things don't totally make sense. You know, they have these plans. Like, I don't care what they have these plans. We have our plans.

Like, oh, they, like, they want to, they're going to take over the world. They want to, okay, let them try doing it. Like, what, you just give up because they're a bunch of people who, you know, forgive my language, but like jerk each other off in the Swiss Alps, you know, they have, they have some bunch of weirdos, give a speech up there, and now you're suddenly like, this is what they're going to do for the world. Are you going to do anything about it? I mean, I don't know. I love it. I love being in the fight. I'm like so glad to be alive when a time like this. You have people who are like, this is so terrible, well, what's the point

of being alive if not having a good fight? This gives a lot of meaning, you know? You got your podcast, or like almost 1,000 episodes? How much good have you done? How much meaning has this provided for you, right? Well, for me, it's changed my life. Yeah. We'll stop. And when I look back on it, we do the year in reviews, Pat,

where I have the first guest of the show comes on and interviews me about the year. And we started it two years ago. And I don't normally look back because I, you know, I'm a guy. I want to look ahead. let's let's move forward and uh i'm an eternal optimist as well right uh faith is something i found through the podcast and it's just you know bolstered like no matter how insane the world gets i'm not that stressed i mean there are days but most of the time i'm an eternal optimist as well looking back it's interesting um you know to have that hindsight of like man i'm oh you know

COVID awful awful time full stop it was not fun doing this show was I don't think I'd choke up chuck up fun to it I think I had more nerves and I grain more gray hairs sitting in this chair and interviewing the doctors and lawyers knowing that at any point people can text me and they did and people you know and society was not exactly happy with that there was a lot they're all listening right now and they've stayed with me and and it's grown but at that time when you look back on on it you're like I couldn't have ever predicted where I was going you know I was actually just talking to a guy and he was asking about the podcast and he says oh man you haven't really done hockey in a long time and I started chuckling right because you know in my world right now the world juniors

are happening right this used to be something that was such a mainstay of my life boxing day happens day after christmas what starts up hockey canada's playing go watch it all and don't get me wrong i still love hockey it's still sports are such a part of my life but then venezuela happens i'm like i you want to talk about what's going on in a world junior game now i want to talk about what's going on in the world and uh i couldn't have predicted that there's nobody could have predicted that six years ago when i was interviewing all the sports personalities right i wouldn't had Pat Stedman on here to talk about J6 and what's happening in Venezuela and living in Poland and all these different things. It's pretty wild to see the trajectory. So how is it impacted

my life? It's like, well, it's just changed it for the good in something you almost can't even quantify. And this is one of those things. So I'm a J-Sixer, but I'm a Dane relationship coach for men. That's my job. It's my vocation. And, you know, I obviously have a very particular client base. I'm not for everybody. But what you do see across the board is this mass spiritual rot. It's mass despair. And it's not just a matter of like political things with Trump. It's a matter of everything. It's a matter of like how men feel about women, how women feel about men. The sex is not coming together. Like people talk all about the demographic issue. And yeah, there's a lot of different inputs, little things that, you know, stack up on top.

But the bottom line is that people don't feel like they have any reason to live. They're not striving towards anything. If a group of people don't feel that way, then they're not going to have children. You have children as a motivation for the future. If you are future-oriented, then you're going to have children because the children are part of that. But if you're in a state of mind that's materialistic, which is about fundamentally pleasure-sees, Even if we're not talking about like, you know, VR porn pleasure seeking, but just I want to be able to go have my own routine every day and not have any responsibilities. People, those kind of people are not going to have children or they're going to have one, two max, nothing that's going to particularly affect their current consumptive lifestyle.

But if you see a vision, if you're striving for something, and if you feel as a country, your people are going someplace, then the people in that country are going to want to have children. It's as a reflection of that. You notice that the birth rate decline corresponds with a lack of direction. The moments that the space program in America disappeared, you know, yeah, there's the stuff with feminism and that contributes, but I really think it's fundamentally a spiritual issue.

that's what it's about. You could have high birth rates with women. I don't want to say, I don't want, the term empowered is very triggering. Feminism is against the family unit, but let's say women who feel confident in themselves and they have, they feel like they have the ability to choose. We need a new word for that, right? But those women, many of those women would be happy to have children if they felt like the men were going someplace, if society was going someplace. There was some direction. So I think that you are going to see a baby boom come in the subsequent years because there's a big genetic bottleneck. It's a genetic bottleneck that's reflective of a spiritual bottleneck because there are people, you know, and there's going to be some

people who don't have kids but are spiritually developed and vice versa, right? But you get my general point. There's a correlation here where some people are just giving up on living. they're totally neurotic and escapist, and they don't have any vision or purpose, and they're not going to make it. And then you have the people who know we're going to get through this gauntlet, we're going to become stronger from it, and they're going to ride the storm. And those people are going to inherit the future. and technology is going to is and will definitely accelerate that because it's going to provide the people who want to escape more ways to escape and it's going to provide the people who are seeking more sovereignty and freedom

more ways to achieve it on their own terms and it's just going to be about how people use it yeah when you say the people that want to escape you're going to have more ways to escape isn't that just bang on like you don't want to you don't want to participate in the world there's going to be more opportunities for you to just zone out and go into the virtual or wherever else you want to go. I, for 2025, I finally kind of, if you didn't listen to the year and review, folks, I let the beans out on it. But I didn't drink all year, but I made a caveat because of my wife. She said, well, what if I want to have a drink with you?

And everyone should know, my wife drinks like five times a year, right? Like, she has this ability to just be like, no, I'm not drinking. And I'm like, I want more of that, you know? So I took the year off. And I caveat, if Mel wanted to have a drink with me, I'd be like, well, sure. I still have the opportunity to go, now I'm not interested. But like, you know, okay. So I think, you know, like on her anniversary and a couple other key dates.

And I didn't realize how much alcohol was my escape, right? You got these things that, you know, they just, it almost makes you look forward to the weekend so that you can have a couple. And I didn't realize I was, you know, slowing down my life or where I wanted to go. I was just, you know, once you remove that, it's like, well, I kind of forget what day of the week it is, you know, doing this job. You know, if it isn't for kids and activities and stuff, it's like, day of the week is it even? Does it even matter? Because I'm just, I got the next guess, and I'm going here, and this is where I'm going. But now when you put, well, just wait for it with, you know, virtual reality and where all that's heading, you know, like, I can't even imagine virtual porn.

I'm like, what a, what a weird, but there will be a huge uptick on that, won't there? Because I'm like, you just think of the accessibility of porn on your phone, computer, et cetera, et cetera. It's never been more readily available. And if you make it so that it is an interactive experience, I mean, that's the darkest sense. I just think as a hockey player, if you made virtual reality hockey, how many people are going to go into that and be like, I'm Connor McDavid. I'm Wayne Gretzky. I'm so good at virtual sports. And there will probably be a market for that.

And the problem with it is that, especially when you separate mind and body as such, is that so much of the actual growth that, you get like it's not just about you have to actually go through like challenges personal challenges right you have to your body has to physically feel it that impacts dramatically how a lesson is received how growth is you know the actual experience of physical pain right when you get checked on the hockey court like that's an important part of the game that's an important part of the mastery but if you take that out and it all becomes mind you know you actually start to like you think that you're okay i'm still i'm still putting points on the board right but your your soul feels like no man like you're not actually doing anything you're wasting away and like i don't play video games for this

reason because there's a part of me that if i do play it i can get totally sucked in but i can feel like the separation like the body and i think maybe for some people it's worse than others maybe it's worse for me some people can manage this stuff in moderation i'm not saying never play a video game right if you want to but the point is that there's a lot of people who are trying to avoid life yeah they don't actually know what it means you live in how how old are your kids pat uh four months three and five oh you are busy man my hat's off to you i'm at nine eight six now so last night last night last night i uh uh uh i was you come back off holidays and and it gets to like people always do you get tired of podcast and i just got asked

out in an interview and i'm like tired of this no no i this is i've found i believe my calling in life of like this is this is where i want to be i love talking to people but last night You know, after you've been away from it for, I don't know, eight days, nine days, something like that, I'm like twitchy. Like I'm like, I got to get, so I'm like trying to get things, you know, going. If you didn't notice the announcement, folks, Premier Daniel Smith is going to be the first speaker at the Cornerstone Forum. That's big news. So I was trying to get all that stuff. And my two youngest are like, Dag, you want to come play mini sticks?

And I'm like, give me a couple minutes. Give me a couple minutes. And then they went downstairs and I can hear him playing. I'm like, what am I doing? I put everything down and we went down and played mini sticks for like, I don't know, an hour and a half. I was sweating by the end of it and I had rug burns on my elbows and everything else. And I'm like, that's what it's about.

Like just all the old timers remind me this. And there's so many ways for the world to pull you away from that so that you can miss your kids specifically wanting to interact with you. And when you talk about video games, you know, like there's so many different ways. in which we get pulled off what life's actually about, you know? And in today's world, it's on steroids. Like, there's just so many different ways

that you think you're being healthy in what you're doing. And yet, like, you know, what really matters? You know, your wife, your kids, your community. And the information space is becoming really toxic. And I think some of that is actually deliberate, like psychological operation stuff. Like you saw perhaps when Elon, gave like identifiers for where country or accounts are located all of these accounts pushing out

all this like slop you know sometimes it's a new slop sometimes it's gender commentary stuff because that's obviously what i'm aware of because of my space it's like from india from pakistan you know it's like you have no like what are you what are you doing talking about gender relations in the west oh okay yeah your your best case scenario you're trying to scam off of the Elon bus, you know, bucks through, like, content that triggers people, but probably you're also trying to mess with the culture in general. And I see this, and it's one of the things I have to constantly work against, is that there are a lot of very, very loud voices that amplify the worst narratives

around how to live, how to interact with the opposite sex. There's no compassion, no attempts to understand. there's no attempts for self-understanding everything is just blaming and complaining and the result of all this stuff is that a lot of these people have and it's on the female side too there's women who are doing it to other women as well they haven't even dated really so they have these very like strongly held opinions that they learn on the internet and they never like i've used the internet as like a feedback mechanism for things I've experienced in real life. So it's kind of like, okay, I'm out, I'm doing this. And now how does that compare to what somebody else is saying? And then I try to reconcile it. And then I practice, I do the same thing with their experiences, right?

What is the actual truth? But a lot of people, they just don't even want to live. And it's like, well, like, well, I don't want to get hurt or I don't want to get taken advantage of. or it's like, well, like, what's the point? Like, what is the point of your life? Like, you're not going to put yourself out there and learn. Like, it happens, so what? You get back up.

You've learned you're wiser. It's not going to happen to you, hopefully, again, at least not the same way, same lesson, you know, learn the lesson. It's like people forgot that we're here to learn lessons. That is the purpose of our life, to grow and to become, We have a life path and fulfill that life path. And people are miserable because they're not on it. You're on your life path right now.

I can see the meaning coming out of you, Sean. It's the same thing that I feel too. Like when I was arrested for J6, I went through the whole thing, going in prison. It was a weird thought, a weird knowing. But it's like, I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. People are like, I'm so sorry that happened to you. Like, I'm sorry, sorry, you're going through this. This is terrible.

Like, yeah, it's terrible. It's hard. It's not wrong for me on a spiritual level. It was something that was necessary because this is the challenge that I needed to do the initiation. So there's a lot of great stuff to be gained if people like change their orientation and their attitude. And you can really, when you give yourself up to God, there's a really great adventure waiting for you. Well, I always joke because, uh, oh, not joke. I always tell the story, but I chuckle up my naivity of back then when I was praying for the first time.

I'm like, okay, you're the man, you have your way. And then I still remember to the day, to the moment I was sitting there going, but can we at least make sure it's an adventure? Man, what a weird, what a challenge to throw up to the big guy. I'm like, you didn't need to say that. I mean, like, you did not need to say that because it is an adventure when you do exactly what you're saying. Now, going to jail, and I might ask you this the first time and around, but since, you know, you brought up your side of being a relationship coach, I remember talking to Tammy Peterson about being married to Jordan and all the things they went through. And, you know, like, I've watched Jordan on stage with Tammy, and I'm just, like, so mesmerized at their relationship, right?

like that's something he put a ton of time and effort into of like making sure they had a healthy marriage and then you know can you plan for him going to russia and being in a coma and her having i think it was stage four cancer and and her saying literally like they didn't know each other anymore and what brought them back was um dancing because they danced together i think it was like once a week forget what night it is people have to go back and listen but i i think and wow, no matter how good your relationship is, when the unthinkable comes, it'll push you to the brink. And for Tammy and Jordan, now, that's probably been on steroids as well. It pushed them to the absolute brink. And what brought them back was their love of dancing. And they

started to like, oh yeah, this is who this person is, you know. When you go away to prison, how did that or that experience change your marriage? Because I assume it had to have. you know it's it's an interesting question like i i think that there was definitely a the thing that was very weird about prison was that it was almost like its own little vortex so own little like it was like a stasis chamber like you see in sci-fi things like they don't put them in prison they put them in like a stasis chamber or something like that that's kind of what it felt like so it's like when you're behind the wire you're in your own world And the rest of the world moves on.

And then the second you're out, it's like that world didn't exist. And I think that that was especially the case for me. First off, because in the grand scheme of things, okay, a year isn't nothing, but a year is not huge sections of your life. You know what I mean? Like, and it was exactly a year. The seasons were the same. It was exact same day. So I had this very weird, like distended reaction.

thing where it was like, I got out, I go back to my house, my house is almost identical. Everything is almost identical to before. And it was the case, what was I think it was interesting to me was it was even the case for like my wife and for my family, my parents, that it was almost like, there was like a year that was skipped. And I would forget that I wasn't in a place. doing something the year prior that I had been in prison. So it was a very, so it did affect the marriage.

I think that, that, you know, we've always been very independent people. We've always been very, it's never been like a very codependent relationship. And I knew that I could, that she would hold down the fort and she would, she would be strong. But I do think that there was like a little bit of time of coming back together, especially with like the kids' routines. And I think what it did for me, and we kind of had some of this conversations like in letters while I was in there, was, like I apologize to her about this, although it was something I could help. And maybe it sounds like a cop out to say it like that, but on like a deep emotional level, it wasn't something I could help that I was really looking for like a challenge in some way to prove myself. as a man like COVID hit I was speaking out a bit about everything on my show I was getting super

involved in it and so when I found myself a January 6th and that happened and I saw people going into the building and I saw the flags like this the scene and it's not that I didn't think that there was a risk to what I was doing certainly didn't think that there was a risk that I really got into you know what I mean but it was really like for me like it was it was it was actually impossible to not go in. It was like a tractor beam. It was like your destiny awaits in that building. You have to do it. If you don't, you're a coward. If you don't, you're, you're, you're, you know, and so it wasn't smart for me to go in, but giving my state of awareness, I think it was the right choice. If I had, if I had the awareness to see like, this isn't right, this is a trap,

then that would have been like the ideal. But without that level of awareness, if I had not gone in, it would have been doing it for the wrong reasons. And so it was like an initiation for me. Like I wanted my crucible, like, as I mentioned on the last show, like, day before the FBI took me in, I said on my show, like, fuck you FBI, come get me. And they did, right? And so it was a very humbling process. Like, I don't get me wrong, I still have an ego. but like people who even watch like my show and who know me like I'm I was really trying to

prove myself I was trying to prove something and now I like don't really feel like I have to prove anything there's like a calm there's much more of a calmness with it and I think for the marriage the difficulty for her is that she had to she was with like a boy like an adolescent who was like wanted to try to become a man where she was a woman who was like wanted to have was had just had a baby like trying to have and and I think that was always a tension between us because like we are together but like part of me wasn't ready like I wanted to be with her and I was very committed but I wanted this I wanted to go off on my mission my adventure I wanted to go off in the battle I didn't want to have to deal with that

responsibility. As a result of all of this stuff, I came out of there totally anchored in committed to being like a leader of the family. Like there wasn't that sort of like sense that I have to do this or I'm not a man or I'm not enough or it's like I've been able to so that's what I think changed the most is that now I'm like, yeah, like I'm a father. I'm a father. I'm I'm a patriarch of the family. And I'm not, I don't have to go through some initiation anymore. But it doesn't mean I don't have a mission. It doesn't mean I don't have stuff to do.

But, and I think that affected our dynamic very much in a positive way. And over here, it's going to continue to mature because now we have our own space, like away from my parents. We're wonderful. But, you know, too much multi-generational, karmic influences kind of, you know, it's not our house, right? you can already see now that we're settling into things that we're starting to have like our own cohesive family dynamic for the first time that's interesting to me i i'm

it reminds me going to ottawa right like i went into the freedom convoy it's a very i mean on the the canada side world side of very positive event but that was very one of the most challenging things I've ever been through and you go you know do you wish it away well well no that like you can't do that like you it's made me a better version of myself but does that mean it was easy no no like far from it and um i i guess uh you know when when you talk about j6 i'm like you know if you'd known would you've went in well probably not you probably were like a year what no oh no like but you didn't know and and certainly going to ottawa i didn't know the things that were going to happen in my life it was naivety i just didn't fully understand

the scenario which i'd entered into and then you enter into it and you're like oh my god how did i get here like how did i actually sleepwalk into this so there's no way in the future to sleepwalk into those scenarios anymore because now you are initiated you're like i already know what's going on there I don't like even if I do walk in there I'm a different person I'm a different man it's just it's just completely different and I assume J6 when I hear you talk about that

I'm like yeah I get that you know I don't have the jail time or anything like that I have a more spiritual experience that happened that terrorized me for quite some time you know until you come to terms of that and it's just a maturing and so when you're like

now I'm a I'm a husband and a father I'm like what better things to be in the world and to know that and to just be like and my job is to protect my family and lead them I mean if we had every man in society do that Pat

do you think we're in the predicament we're in no absolutely not absolutely not I also think that society used to have more natural and healthy initiations for young men. Well, I would agree. You go back through the civilizations and the different ages at which men, young men, were initiated into society. There was rights of passage.

What is the right of passage today? most never go through it and that's really what you see i mean that's the way to kind of track it back to this discussion of a lot of especially you know whether it veers the dumerism or whether it veers towards this sort of like you know self-absorption that's all like adolescent masculinity that's never matured and the adolescent seeks you know freedom or seeks like because, you know, they're under the oppression of their mother. The adolescent male

is oppression that's in a bad situation, but the general trend is still, I'm leaving my mother's house. I'm not a little boy. I don't want to listen to what mama says. I don't figure out things my own. Now, in a healthy society, there's a more mature

masculine to help guide them through that process so they know themselves, right? But either way, there's a rebellion. They have to go off, they have to go explore. It's very much a freedom-seeking stage because that's how the man discovers himself is through that exploration of the edge.

But we don't have anything that actually allows most of these guys to anchor that in. So they're constantly feeling trapped and they're constantly trying to escape, which means they don't want any responsibilities at all. It's the man who comes out of there who knows himself and trusts himself.

He says, I'm ready for responsibilities. I'm ready to the burden to have the burden of a family, right, to have the burden of society on my shoulders. These guys don't want that. Have you given any thought to that? Like on how I'm sure I'm going to get a bunch of texts. I feel like there are different men out there trying to build out an initiation process,

if you would. Put men through something that when they come out the other side, they're just changed. They're matured. I always go back. Obviously, you know Dustin very well. When I was, I always say 19, but now when I do the math, I'm like, I was 20, why did I put that in my brain? But I was 20 when we biked across Canada.

It's one of those things for me that it just changed what I realized I was capable of. And it was the first initiation I ever had in people going, you won't make it. You're not going to do that. They were taking, I remember they were taking bets on how far I get. And I always give credit to my oldest brother. He's like, yeah, Sean's going to do it. And somebody's going to, why? He won't come back with his tail between his legs.

He won't do it. He'll, he will, he will, if it takes them 10 times the time it's supposed to, he'll finish because he's not coming back to hear how, oh, you almost completed it, right? And that, that I didn't realize how much of a maturing event that was. I am speaking out of turn for dust or my brother, but both of them went and traveled for a year, went and just off on their own, and they've talked lots about

the maturing or being off by yourself, like not with a group of 15 people that you can, you know, kind of have some safety in, going to new countries, language barrier, all the different things. And, you know, like, I guess I come back full circle on it. It's like, I wonder, you know, Matt Smith, folks who wrote the preparation,

his son Maximus, is doing the preparation where it's cycles. They goes off and does a three-month cycle on different things instead of going to college. And to me, that's the closest I've heard of an initiation sort of right of passage of like maturing a young man to where when he's done, he comes out. And instead of waiting until he's 35 to figure that out, he's like 22 and he is a force to be reckoned with. Have you given any thought to that? I think that there's some guys who are doing good things with it. I think it ranges from, so when you look at like men's groups, some of the issues with the

men's groups are that there was way too feminine. They're way too like soft and, you know, explore your feelings. And I'm not anti a man exploring his feelings, but that's not the masculine, right? The masculine, the masculine pokes fun at that. And yes. There are guys who are very tightly, who are let's say masculine but very emotionally constricted and they can benefit from those kind of situations but that's not I would say the predominant problem that we have with men today and it's also not a place to stay

for a long period of time it's it might be you know and it's not an initiation as the point that's not an initiation now you have other men's groups where they're doing these kind of like mock kind of military boot camp things where they get sort of chewed out And again, I think that there can be some benefit to, it kind of looks ridiculous when you see the videos online, but I get it in the sense that they're looking for something hard to do and they're looking to challenge themselves.

And I, you know, I don't really think there's any shame in it. You know, on balance, it's good that they're looking for something hard to do. The difficult thing about an initiation, especially about having some sort of structured initiation, especially today. saying you can't do it because you're right like having something like you're going to go travel someplace for a year you have some sort of you know but but we are in such a world today where I almost feel like everything is becoming like individualized and everybody's it's really about what is your own path what is your own purpose what's your own mission and so I think that we can get a lot of that on a structural manner with like an issue

If we had some sort of standard one in society, but seeing that we don't, like, I think even if I were to try to, like, create some sort of thing, some blanket thing, by its very nature, it's only going to appeal to a certain subset of men. And really, the initiation, like if you want to talk big initiation, like you going to Ottawa, right, me, January 6th, these are things that you have to learn to listen to yourself and what you're being pulled towards. and so when I talk to men and they're kind of lost and it doesn't mean they don't even have a good job they might have a relatively comfortable life but they don't typically have the woman that they want maybe they do but something's missing right something's very much missing in their life

and I'll always ask them well what would you do if like if you could do anything what would you do if money wasn't an option and then if you could do anything what would you do if you didn't have any fear and you start to through those questions like find out the intersection of something that they want to do

and it's like well you know maybe I wanted to to be a musician I have this talent but I never put myself out there because didn't think it was practical enough it's like well your personal initiation probably lies in that path because and this is often after like a lot of them grappling with it, trying to do the smart thing. They're totally stagnant. And then there's

an opportunity to go to a direction. And the guys who take that, they find their life falls apart and then comes back together in a way that now they have that meaning and they have that drive and things are starting to make sense. And the guys who don't, it's like they turn down the call to adventure so I think the initiation is very similar to the call to adventure for a man

and if you read like any kind of you know I used to read fantasy books when I was younger and that's one of the things that you always saw it's like the hero's journey right like the the young man has this opportunity he has to go leave his town

and go off on this quest and he always comes back to the town a different person at some point. Proto Baggins. Exactly. Exactly. So there are things that we can do to help, like, turn boys into men, I think on a structural level, like cultural initiations, and that's beneficial. But then there's also, like, the big one, what's your real purpose in life? What's your real path? And that's a really... But would you come... But if I were to not simplify what you just said. I guess just what sticks out in my brain is like,

yeah, you want to build, you know, my brain goes, is there a way to build out a cultural initiation, right? And the only thing that I think of,

actually terrifies me, is war because it is like a giant, men going off for adventure. I've interviewed a ton of World War II vets. I shouldn't say a ton. Enough. And they all talk about it being the most exciting, important time in their life.

Yeah. And you're like, but people were, dying like you know like and yet it what do they talk about everybody knew what they should be doing everybody was in line with it off they went there was the real sense of danger which i think the call to adventure has right like it's it's you're out from mom and daddy's wings you're you're out in the world and in the world there is a real sense of danger even if it's even if it's just perceived in your brain. It is there. And when you try and mass do it, it's like, well,

that could work for these groups, but not them. And what you're pointing to is, which I chuckle at because I'm like, yeah, it makes sense. It's more of an individual take. What is your call to adventure? You should sit and stew on that for a bit and then go, where are you fearful to go because of rejection or that you might suck or all the different things? It's like, man, your path probably lies somewhere in that range. I'm not saying exactly that, but probably somewhere where you're fearful to go. And I think one of the things that made, you know, America, and I think as well, Western Canada in particular, like very, very strong is because of the frontier kind of operated as that constant, unknown testing down. Well, that was the call-adventure. People moved out to,

you know, where we're from. I still have the book. That gave it to me. And, He said, this is one of the most important books you'll read. I'm paraphrasing them. And it's the stories of the settlers of the people who immigrated here and came out in a wagon. Lots of them had never farmed before. You can imagine coming into Saskatchewan, Pat. Not having a house, having your family, right? Three kids, wife, getting there.

You got some supplies. This is your plot of land. Okay. But we don't have a house. Yeah, you've got to figure that out. And then winter coming and you still don't have a house and living in a tent in minus 40. I'm like, these people who stayed were hardened. Like, hardened.

And were there people who left? Absolutely. There's stories of that too. And yet, at the end of all these stories, right? They're written in, you know, some lovely old lady would have typed them out and compiled them into a book. And at the end of them all, almost all of them, but we were happy. And, like, that is. that's a crazy thing

you're like you've got no house you're you know like one of the stories they're they're going along the wagon trail and they stop beside a slew or a pond

and they go and they grab some water and they're boiling it so they can have it and in it is chunks of something they can't figure it out it's tadpoles

and they go oh there's supper and they're eating tadpoles right I'm like I can't put my brain in their I can't revert back to that time because obviously we've moved on from it. But that was a call to

adventure of the calls to adventure, going to a new land where it was inhospitable and trying to form, you know, build something out of it, which they did. Yeah. And what's interesting is that, you know, said we were happy. Like the women were happy too because they were with. I mean, they, not to say that they loved all the aspects of it, right? But I think that there's a lot of women being drawn to these men who have that call to adventure in them. You know, archetypally would be described as like the wild man.

Like the man who's kind of like the happy warrior, the kind of individual put himself out there on the edge, figure it out, resourceful, you know, and enjoying it. That makes a woman feel alive. And you look at, I keep bringing it back to some of these issues between the sexes. women I think see a lot of these guys and it's not just that they only are you know living for themselves or whatever but it's that they're not they're not striving towards something right

like sometimes this gets simplified into ambition right or but it's it's or like oh that he's that he's successful but I think that those are obviously there are women who are only drawn to that kind of stuff but for the most part women are more drawing. on to the man that like those are the fruits of the man being something else they're the fruits of the man who's he's willing to put himself out there and you know my wife's never going to admit that it was like great times like you know to be going through what we went through but she absolutely does feel alive and like we're on an adventure you know like I know I know from how she behaves

and how she responds to things that she trusts the journey and she knows that she's on a really meaningful journey, even if she's not going to explicitly admit that it was a fun thing to have her husband go away to prison because it obviously wasn't fun but...

Yeah, that'd be a ridiculous thing to say. It wasn't fun, you know, you think about it, you go away from... I'd be upset if she said it was fun, right? Yeah, well, I mean, a full year away from your family isn't fun. Yeah. especially for protesting the government.

Yeah, right? Like, I mean, I don't think anyone's going to go, oh, that was fun. Yeah. But this is what we need to bring back in the West. This is the kind of attitude. And I don't, you know, I know that Elon Musk wants to go to space. And I think that's an important piece of the puzzle. We just got to retake our countries first.

Because we got a first, the current call to adventure is right here at home. There's plenty of problems to solve. There's plenty of things to stand up for. There's plenty of, you know, blood, sweat, and tears. And then after that, we can look to the stars once we have the home base secure. That's for our kids. That's what I feel in my heart. So our children are going to be the ones going out there.

But we've got to secure the base for those rocket ships. that's that's um you know uh i brought up fredo baggins if you go read the lord of the rings which i assume lots people have but uh at the end you know after they've got the ring and they've thrown it in the fire and it's all everybody's kumbaya always point the book doesn't end there's there's at least i want to say it's 100 pages forgive me i you know it's been a while since i read them Yeah. But it is a healthy chunk. It isn't just a quick chapter. There's like a hundred pages roughly. And what happens? They got to go back home and they got to take the shire back. And I think about that an awful lot because I'm like, what was Tolkien doing there? He was reminding, you know, you think you have to go to the other side of the world to find it. But when you go to the other side of the world, what are you going to find? It's back home where you need to be? be. I think that that is the beauty of, you know, the end of Lord of the Rings is Frodo and

Sam and all of them go back to the shire and have to take back. They're the warriors. They have to come back and be the strong men their community needs to get the orcs and everything else out of their community because they've been enslaved. And I think when you look at our societies today, that makes perfect sense to me. Yeah. That's what we're going through. And it's going to be the theme for the next 15, 20 years. It will be. Absolutely. I mean, there's going to be a lot of remigration. There's going to be a lot of reconsolidation.

And we're going to be doing all of that as the entire economic system is changing because of technology. And so by the time we get to the early mid-2040s, I mean, where medical, you know where technology is going to be is going to be at a totally different place and you know the question is we if we're doing like the scouring of the shire so to speak well the vision you know the western countries and this is i think especially an issue for europe they need to rediscover some sense of purpose because it is it is really like a like a like a nursing home museum at this point like that's the way it's going beautiful continent um this was these were the greatest countries in the world for for centuries and what do they

care about now they needed to rediscover some sense of purpose for themselves if otherwise you're going to see the entire thing it doesn't matter if you deport all these migrants it's not going to change the underlying situation in the countries because they're just going to continue to age out and disappear. They need to figure out what is the next chapter for them. And that's where I do think that the space stuff becomes important because we need a new West. The West needs a new place to reach to. They need a new frontier. And our natural progression was the stars. And that got diverted in the 60s, then we spent the next 60 years basically just giving mine away to third world countries, you know, but we have to change course with that, recon consolidate and get back on track

because, not because it's important necessarily. I don't know if it's important. I don't know, I don't know if we need to do it from like a material perspective, but from a spiritual perspective, we absolutely do. Before I let you out of here, you'd have, you'd mentioned a year ago you were writing a book. Where are you at with that? It's near the end. It's taken longer than I, than I wanted it to take. Partly that was just due to, we released a course in the fall that took up so much time.

Did all the filming, all the product launch, huge success. It's like absolutely amazing. It's 45 hours long. And on the course, before we get to the book, what is the course and can people still take it? Absolutely, yeah. So I had made a course five years ago called the Pat's Deadman Masterclass, about 19 hours long, gaining relationship content. I had always wanted to add more to it as time went on, did not have the ability given my situation. So last year, we finally were able to do that.

more than doubled the amount of material and restructured it. So we kind of talked about the hero's journey earlier. This is like the full life cycle of a man. So it hits like the three elements that I call like what makes a dynamic man, which is confronting fear, expanding awareness and operating in good faith. And it hits that in five main areas that building each other. So you have the first area, which is like the inner work. So like internal healing and becoming as a man.

understand your own psychology. The next part is dating. So very practical stuff about, you know, initial attraction, creating attraction where you meet women. And then the third section is veying and choosing. So that's about decision points to commit with women, how you understand female psychology, how you make a determination about whether to move forward with the woman. Then you have module four's relationships. So that's keeping and deepening. That's all about dealing with gridlock issues that come up within relationships over time, how to move forward and really continue to develop the relationship, keep high attraction. And then module five, this is really like fun module. That's how to live a dynamic life, basically. And that is

about basically how you create, how you orient yourself. It's like consciousness oriented. So it's about your perception of reality. And a lot of the J6. stuff falls into that category. It's like reframing circumstances, living in a different way. So, and how that, you know, you become more differentiated as an individual. So that's something that, like, everybody who works with me as a client, they have that course, but people can buy the course on its own. In the course in its current version, it's $999. So it's not cheap, but you can coach yourself through any of these problems now with it. Because even within the course, there's videos where I'm like doing Socratic method over the material to help you to kind of

come up with answers to the different material that you digested. So we did that in the fall. We launched it. Big success. The book, part one of the book is done, although there needs to be revisions, in the last quarter of the book is done. The third quarter still needs to be finished. So between the course and the move, I've been off it for like two months. I'm going back into it this week. I've got myself like a new office over here in Poland. And it's going to be out sometime between...

It's going to be out before America's 250th 100%. I would like to have it done by the end of March, but there may be another editing phase because it's hitting so many different themes because it has to tell the whole story of what happened not just to me but the whole arc of the times

and I got to be honest Sean partly I'm happy that it's taken this long because I think it's going to have a good ending based on the way

things are going to play out these next few months I think it's going to put a little bow on the whole story but we'll see where can people find the course

and find your book when it releases So the book, I don't have a link for the book yet. It will be on Amazon. But would you suggest that they follow you on X? Would that be the easiest way to do it? Yeah. That's the best way to do it.

In the masterclass, it's to go to Dynamic Man Masterclass. If you search for that, it will come up. But if you follow me on X at Pat underscore Stedman, that's like the best way to, like the links and everything are right there that's the best way to see my material and updates i'm very active on there pat appreciate you doing this again it's great to see you you know a year has gone and um well i just wish you the best and uh to i don't know cool getting uh just sit down and and catch you up after a year lots of lots has changed and and other things just haven't you know it's funny what a year does uh either way uh appreciate you hopping on and i'll be looking

forward to your book like when it gets gets released you make sure to drop me a note because i would i'd love to read it one and um would uh probably uh love to have you back on so we could discuss it uh you know a little more in depth because i'm sure there'll be things in the book when it's released i'm like we didn't talk about this we got to tell you know so uh appreciate uh you hopping on and uh looking forward to uh some things in 2026 from pat stepman oh it's my pleasure being here thank you so much love you