Shaun Newman Podcast - #980 - Tom Luongo & Alex Krainer #22

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

We discuss Venezuela, Maduro, and the City of London. Tom Luongo is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian, and economist whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. He hosts the Gold Goats ‘n Guns Podcast.Alex Krainer is a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Prophet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] the code “SNP” on all ordersGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Consider becoming a paid member and supporting what I do on this show. All right, let's get on on that. Tale of the Take. Our first guest is a former research chemist, amateur dairy, goat, farmer, libertarian, and economist whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and News, media. He hosts the Gold Goats and Guns podcast. The second, a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. I'm talking about Tom Luongo and Alex Kramer. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Shrodnoa podcast. Today I'm joined by Tom Luongo, Alex Kramer. Gentlemen, thanks for hopping on.

Good to join your son again. Hi, Tom. Good to see you. Happy New Year. Happy New Year to everyone. Absolutely. And I think it's happy Orthodox Christmas as well, isn't it? That was yesterday, but yeah. But what's close enough? Yeah. Well, we're under three months now, folks, from YouTube being in Canada back in Calgary. The big news earlier this week, Premier Daniel Smith is going to be speaking at the Cornerstone Forum as well. So that's exciting.

Looking forward to seeing you guys. But until we get there, I feel like the world's just going to give us things to talk about every step of the way. Okay, Venezuela. I mean, Maduro gets extracted. Since then, I think there's been Russian submarines and Russian tankers. I don't know, getting scooped up by the U.S. I'm like, well, who better to talk to than Tom and Alex about this? because maybe you can decipher all the things that are happening right now.

Fat chance. Fat chance. Well, okay, so I can get started. And, you know, there's a number of angles to the story. And every angle is plausible. Well, every angle. There's a few plausible angles, you know, drugs trafficking. But not drugs trafficking as in.

drugs trafficking because there's not much drugs coming out of Venezuela, going to the United States, but there's a whole money laundering network that goes along. And it's possible that Maduro was somehow involved, facilitated it. I don't know. The other one is, you know, the Dominion system smartmatic angle. Then there's the oil angle. then there's the silver angle. And there's always a freedom and democracy angle. And there's a lot to each one of those. I mean, apart from freedom and democracy,

there's a lot to each one of those. And I can't figure it out. And I spent several hours since Monday, to podcasts where, you know, British state actors appear, people like Alistair Campbell, Rory Stewart, the Times Radio, where they have, you'll have like these XMI6 people like Sir Richard Dierloff and so forth giving their statement. And they don't know either because they, you know, like they know for sure that they hate. Kate Trump, and they were very worried about him, but they don't know what the hell the deal is with Venezuela.

So that's why I said fat chance that I know. So we can, you know, we can guess and speculate. And, you know, there's a couple of very interesting rabbit holes to the story, but there's no way to know for sure. I'll pick up on that Alex I think you're right that again all I think the best better way to I don't say better way I don't want to say Alex is an idiot of course what I'm saying is I think there's another way to frame this which is to say everybody's theory about Venezuela be it the oil or the silver or the gold or the the oil or whatever I think they're all valid they're all partially true and they're all partially explanatory and therefore they're all

partially valid. In effect, the other way I was looking at the other day, as I said, Venezuela is kind of both the Rosetta Stone for understanding, understanding like American geopolitics in the Western Hemisphere for the last 50 or 60 years, as well as the linchpin to understanding to how to destroy the All Roads Lead to London through the Western Hemisphere. So it's kind of both of those things. It unlocks understanding the Rosetta Stone and is the linchpin holding the whole old network of things together i think if you do that then you look at and then you break and then you can say okay well this one's clearly a linchpin this one's clearly part of the rosetta song here's the one that's that here's the angle no one's talking about who showed up

yesterday to um on twitter to give his um his endorsement of maria machado not other than please clap himself jeb bush now I want everybody to go really, I want everybody to understand here that the Bush clan is absolutely the lynchpin to American subservience to British and quote unquote Davosian globalist politics because it was the Bush clan that helped Britain get the United States involved in World War II. And then if we take the work of our friends over Promethean action at face value, the ones that ensured that when World War II was over, the British got everything they wanted, and the Americans became our dumb army. Right?

And the post-Bretton Woods era of the WTO, the IMF, the World Bank, all this stuff, all those things were done in order to extract the wealth of the U.S. middle class, built over the first 170 years of the country's existence and suck it all back into Europe via the Marshall Plan, via the UN, by the NGOs, via all of that stuff. Who is at the center of all of that in the drug trade? None other than, you know, Poppy Bush himself. Like, so, you know, people have been bringing up Noriega, for example, people in our sphere, or at least in the nominal anti-war sphere, the anti-imperial sphere, bringing up Noriega.

How was this any different to Noriega? Actually, Crypto Rich asked me that exact question the other day when I was on his show. And I said, well, the difference is that there, Poppy Bush was protecting the CIA's drug trade by getting rid of Noriega. And this time, Donald Trump is destroying it. So, and it's not just the drug trade. It's about, you know, now we're actually, you know, seeing rogue elements of the CIA work with Sovereignty forces because they're the rogue elements in the CIA.

The actual Patriot wing of the CIA is the rogue elements of the CIA where the rest of the CIA is criminal, right? They're the ones that, you know, so when I use rogue elements of CIA, I mean the good guys from our perspective, right? So the rogue elements of the CIA working with, you know, the people on the ground in Venezuela to kill all the Cuban guards that Majoro had around him and all this stuff, all that was set up beautifully. I spoke to Blaine Holt yesterday for the Gold Goats and Guns podcast. When we get done with this show, I'm going to release that this afternoon. He's got a lot of very interesting observations being a guy who used to hang out with the guys who took out, who executed the raid on Maduro's compound. Right. So that's where Blaine's, you know, former experiences in.

He knows those guys. Hey, wasn't it, wasn't it Blaine who said that if the, if the Trump people want to take out Maduro, The odds of that happening is 100%. Was it him that has that said that? Okay. Okay. Yeah. Because I spoke with him.

I spoke with him, but I forgot whether it was him who said that or it was E.M. It might have been both of them together. I remember, I don't know about you guys, but when they get together, that's the most listen TV for me. So they were on Crypto Riches podcast. They did a beautiful like 20 minute segment on, you know, on what they think is going on with the seizure of the oil tanker and everything has kind of spun out since then

and they were just riffing back and forth so it could have been both of them if someone would have said at first the other one would have agreed and then it would just been on the launch of yep you're right you know one professional is another you're right so when we we put all that together folks

I think this is a big deal and like everything else you know my first what's my normal heuristic in politics you know a man's loyalties and politics by who hates him so if everybody if all the if all the usual suspects hate him he's probably a good guy right well same thing here in venezuela if all the usual suspects hate a particular outcome it's probably a good thing so yeah you're i'm glad you brought up the bushes because it's true that the bushes were up to their eyeballs

in the drugs trade and the money laundering uh poppy bush but you know apples don't fall far from their trees right and so that you know if that's who's being targeted that's who's being targeted and then another person who hasn't like endorsed um who hasn't endorsed uh maria corina machado uh but has you know was very vexed that Trump took a swipe at her was John Bolton because John Bolton was what you know John Bolton is doing a lot of rounds on on British TV shows and podcasts because that he is their go-to guy on all things United States and so he's vexed that there was no regime change so he's saying like this is nothing this is a hollow victory

if you took out Maduro and left the regime intact. And then he said that it was inexplicable that Trump took a swipe at Maria Corina Machado, the Nobel Prize winner, blah, blah, blah. So they're clearly very, very unhappy. But where this story gets some color is back in March of this year, no, back in March of last year, 25. There was a long interview by one David, hold on, Ashur, David Asher, to an online publication called the Bureau.

It's a long interview in which, because remember Susan Kukinda was pointed out that while we were all looking at Venezuela, Trump put Canada on notice. And then there was, you know, not much to it because, you know, Trump did say like, oh yeah, you know, we're losing a lot of people to overdoses, blah, blah, blah. Some of it's coming, a lot of it is coming from Canada. Did you know that? That's about all he said. And then Susan's Promethean Action Update two days ago had a whole 16-minute report about that,

which is excellent, but it doesn't elaborate much on the Canada angle. But this David Asher, who was a high-level official in the U.S. State Department and is one of the key people in U.S. drugs, I don't know what you call it, drug enforcement. It's not the drug, it's not the DEA, but, you know, something. Interdiction or investigation. Okay, I'll have to. Former U.S. State Department official with close ties to the Trump administration's financial and national security apparatus. Okay, so that's how he's described in this article. He gives a long interview, and the interview is basically about the drug running through Canada,

because at the time, they just busted a major super lab in British Columbia. And in there was, in 2022, there was like a major Canadian investigative report that was published. The big, big thing, you know, you can find it online. It's called, what is it called? Give me a second because, you know, I want to get the name right because some people listening might want to look it up and read through it. Sure. I just wrote a report on this, on this. So commission on commission of inquiry into money laundering in British Columbia.

It's known as a Cullen Commission report. And so they know there's a problem. They know that a number of Canadian banks are up to their eyeballs in money laundering of the drugs trafficking to the United States. This David Asher guy, he said that there's like 80% of the phone numbers that when they make calls from the United States, the 80% of them call to Canada. But there are certain provisions in Canadian law

that make it impossible for the United States to investigate those leads. Because as soon as they're on to, somebody, they find out that they're on to them and they change their numbers, they change their addresses. So they have been unable to wreck that network. And they know that there's a whole shitload of these super labs in Canada that a lot of fentanyl, methamphetamine, plain old pot and all kinds of stuff is coming.

And weapons is coming into the United States from Canada. and that Canadian banks are doing most of the money laundering, but they can't pursue it. And in spite of this Cullen report coming out in 2022, the Canadian government has done fuck all about it. Nothing. And so David Asher in this interview is complaining about this bitterly, and he's saying, if we're going the legal means, we get nowhere.

And, you know, there's every reason to believe that this, is by design that this is not like the Canadian government is pretending oh there's nothing we can do about this you know because if you if you pursue somebody at law well we have to let them know why you're we have to let them know that you're targeting them and that's where the trace get lost traces gets get lost and so the way that the United States has been trying to turn the table is by saying that everybody who's running drugs into the United States and everybody who's laundering money for them is part of a terrorist network. Yes.

And once they declare them a terrorist organization, then they can use a completely different legal framework, and they can pursue them through these. other means which i don't know how to name it but there's like the whole right there's there's like a you know like if you go by legal by by legal ways if you're going to be within the bounds of international law and you know by the book you get nowhere and so united states has been at the at the receiving end of a proper 21st century opium war you can see that it's obvious you know the united states is flooded with all these kinds of drugs there's like 100,000 overdose deaths, million of addicts, every U.S. city looks like a like a freaking dump. That's kind of reminiscent of the way the British took down China, which was 200 years ago.

First opium war was 1832. They took down the nation that was the global economic superpower, number one economic superpower in the world and a 6,000-year civilization. They took it down in a few years and then subjected it to a century of humiliation, including two opium wars that were inflicted on China. And so these are, you know, these are, again, you know, like you had them growing opium in India, shipping it into China and laundering the money through banks like HSBC, right? today you have them growing the drugs in Mexico, in Colombia, shipping in precursors from China, and they have these labs wherever in Canada and Mexico and so forth. So it pretty much looks like the same thing, maybe more elaborate, maybe more sophisticated and better hidden with all these offshore banking centers.

But apparently, Toronto is the, if not the center of it, it's one of the centers of it. I can't tell how the hell Nicolas Maduro figures into this whole thing. But I think it's easy to imagine that for a nation under extremely strict sanctions, they are relatively easy to penetrate. because you know nothing works everything's shit nobody has any money so it's you know like in Syria you know they they subjected Syria the Caesar sanctions and then it was very easy for them to to co-op Syrian officials to to work with them and so for some reason I guess for that reason I guess they were able to co-op Venezuela into this plus Smartmatic and Dominion system and all this and I guess they figured that Maduro is the kingpin in Venezuela for this network

and that bringing him to the United States is part of this war, which is obviously now taking shape outside of the bounds of the rules-based system and international law and blah, blah, blah. But it's a dirty war countering a dirty war because opium wars are the dirtiest kind. Yep. And so that's, I think that's a plausible angle, but, you know, we're going on on relatively few dots to connect because nobody's, nobody's saying anything. And the reason why they wouldn't be saying anything is because if you're going to go against

these networks, then what you have to do is you have to do the opposite of putting them on notice, you know? Yeah, absolutely. absolutely you have to pretend that it's about oil you have to pretend that it's about you know we're going to be killing the russians actually russians have oh yeah okay there's a whole thing okay so two more minutes two more minutes okay there's a the the russians if if you guys saw susan kokindas update she she cited uh victor ivanov in russia in 2014 uh mentioning this in one of in his speech to like a drug some kind of the drug fighting

conference in moscow where he was saying that the that the chief element in this whole opium war is exactly the british offshore system in the caribbean right and uh going back to my 19 2017 book called The Grand Deception. Right. I was saying that it will take an alliance of the United States and Russia to root this out. Because the Russians alone can't do it. The United States alone can't do it. It cannot do it either.

But working together, they could do it. And so it's possible that fizzing Russian tankers, making a, it looked like Trump tried to assassinate Putin could be part of this because you don't want to show that you're working together against these other people. No, I mean, that's, yes, I agree with all that. I mean, at the end of the day, I don't really think that anybody is, is, is anybody who's got eyes to see, like the way we've been watching this for years, we realize that Trump and Putin are clearly coordinating action in order to, to, we've been, Alex, I mean, we've had,

we've done a two dozen podcasts together where we've discussed the, the bits and pieces of this. The, um, I don't think these dots are as thin as you want to, as you're presenting them. I think you're being, um, I think you're, I, I, I think you're being properly circumspect, but I think you've done a fine job of like, this is the way it's going to, this is the way it's happening and it's working in front of it because the incentives all line up and in geopolitics once you understand and you've figured out the incentives and you can you've got a a thing that is a construct that is not just self-consistent but also is steel manable by other um by when you look at it from different perspectives that's when you know you've got a um an entire idea an entire grasp of the

situation. So yeah, let's talk about those Canadian banks. Let's talk about the fact that the Canadians refuse to help. Obviously, they refuse to help. This is a crown organization. Canada has always been, and this has been the biggest fake out in, you know, I don't know, modern history that Canada is somehow and is somehow tied to the United States in anything other than an adversarial relationship. Canada was born. Matt Arrit has gone on a thousand hours about how Canada was born as an antipode,

as an ab reaction against the American Revolution. Same to end of the British spent 130 years fighting us and then, you know, somewhere around the turn of the 20th century started to change their tactics to become our best friends. And by the end of World War II and the death of FDR and all of a sudden, we look like Britain, but, you know, quote unquote, cruder and, you know, with a, with an uglier accent. It's pathetic. Clearly, these people are evil. Clearly, they're the problem here. And when you take that as your baseline assumption, your boundary condition to your

problem, and then start solving all of these differential equations, all of these, these various angles in mathematic terms or all differential equations to solve always winds up being the same thing x y and z equals london like it's not tough right and and that's not to say that they haven't co-opted the chinese on other vectors and other people haven't you know or the or the or the Israelis or the this ones or that ones it doesn't matter at the end of the day they're the ones pushing the the ball forward they're the ones who control the under the the foundation so in terms of Maduro, how does he fit in? It's really simple. He's the figurehead we're supposed to hate. He's also the guy who knows everything. Because he's the guy kind of running at all, right?

He's the guy. And he's, I've been watching, I've been thinking about Maduro. I've also been thinking about Ayatollah hominy the same way. It says he's a captured pawn. No different than, you know, like there's this whole, there's this whole layer of evil people that run around doing evil shit around the world, in this case, the IRGC and the entire axis of resistance. In my, mind out is nothing but a big British and or French construct to make Iran into the bad guy blame the mullahs for this give them a horrible name right they always fucking do these people and then you know and and allow them to run around the world creating chaos and then misdirecting people by controlling the median area and flooding the space with you know with half trues and you know

lies and everything else. And, you know, they inculcated two, three generations of Americans and the believing this nonsense, right? And we had the Bush clan when they were in power and all and the Rockefellers when they had their people in power. And all of that. So coming from the murder of JFK forward, American media history and American, Americans understanding of their own history is completely clouded by all this. And it takes an almost a lifetime of deprogramming to get to the point where, for example, I am today, right? And so imagine now you're the average American who's told that Russia bad, this one, bad, that one bad, Iran bad,

this one, you know, all of this stuff. And they're now having, like, reframe all of this because Trump sets off a war between Israel and Iran that's over in 12 days. Neither regime fell, but neither regime really wants to go to war with each other either. And I know there's a lot of people, there's a lot of smoke out there that something is going to happen in another couple of weeks or, you know, whatever. Everybody's making noise again because, of course, the British and the French do not want that conflict to go away because that's how they stay relevant in the game.

So there's going to be aftershocks to the 12-day war. Same thing with Venezuela. If Trump wants to control the situation of Venezuela, he's not the troops on the ground and everything else. No, like, Delcee Rodriguez is in charge of everything. There was a big long post. I, I, I, uh, I, I, uh, retweeted on Twitter last night, uh, how Rodriguez has got buy in from everything, everybody who was left of Maduro's regime. Maduro was exfiltrated or as Anne Burley, Anne would like to put it, brought into

protective custody, who's now going to sing like that. Is that what he said? Yeah, he and I both. He and I'm, I'm really glad because that's what I thought. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. This is too weird. This just doesn't happen.

He must have agreed to go himself. He's the one who made the deal, not Darcy Rodriguez. Nobody betrayed him. Well, okay. I will say about this as the following. I think that Maduro was holding out for a better deal, I think. And at some point, you know, the negotiations got to a particular level. And that was unacceptable.

And I think there was something else that actually sped all of this up. I'm not sure if it was the Chinese moving in a delegation in there and this was a flex against the Chinese. I don't know. I mean, there's so many little bits and pieces to this like that I've heard. Like, you know, did the Chinese get paid? Did the Chinese, you know, exfiltrate 847 tons of gold, I mean, not gold, silver out of the country. It was at their payoff for allowing their boy Maduro to be taken into American custody. Like there's all this, there's all this, you know, what was the actual deal. But the reality on the ground is the operation itself

Wallace. And the way Blaine and the lame, Blaine talked to me about it on Monday afternoon when we spoke. And I apologize for not having a podcast out into the world yet. And I'll get it out, I promise this afternoon. Is that he doesn't think anybody in like London and Brussels and anywhere else

thought that Trump would actually do what he did. That there's, that the risks to going in and trying to get Maduro were, so high that nah he'll never roll those dice you know it's a thousand to one odds against he'll never he'll never do it and you know and maybe they're thinking on that was wrong because their understanding of american military logistics is fundamentally flawed i want to remind everybody i think one of the things that i've been thinking about a lot recently is that you know it's that whole Stanley Living, Dr. Levinston thing.

Reports of our ineffectuality are greatly exaggerated. The reports of America's demise are greatly exaggerated. We've been inculcated or we've been conditioned to believe that America can't act. Why? Because we had a bunch of people running the country who refused to act. No different than Canada refusing to act to stop the fentanyl trade. and the money laundering committed to Canadian banks. Why?

They were complicit in the whole fucking thing. Today, the United States is proving that when the United States decides to act in its best interest, there's fuck all most people can do to stop it. Now, there comes to, now there's a limit to some of that. Obviously, we can talk about China and we can talk, but like those risks are not worth taking better to negotiate a way out of those conflicts, but not to do so in such a way that is absolutely, oh, the U.S. is power. us to stop all this. Really? Has anybody looked at the tick data? Like, you don't think that, like,

our, our, are, um, that our debt isn't, you know, well respected around the world. Have you looked at bond yields? Bond yields aren't telling you that no one wants the dollar. Like, that's, that's nonsense. Like, so there's, there's a lot going on here. And I hate the, you know, I know, there's a lot of people in the audience who are like, oh my God, Luongo's going off again. It's being this, you know, jingle wistick American fuck card. Like, no, dudes, I'm telling you, I was never one of those people. I was one, I was on the other side of that argument for decades. And now I'm watching it in real time going, holy shit. Like Delta Force is good. I read a tweet the other day is basically said, you know, if the seals had pulled off this operation, they would have failed

to get Maduro, lost 30 guys, made five or six Mark Wahlberg movies about it, and done about a thousand hours worth of podcasts. Delta Force just went in and took care of it in three minutes and 46 seconds. Or however long the fucking operation took. In, out, two pump, chump, done. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's impressive. And those messages were sent. It's like, why did Trump bomb Ford out of the way he did last June?

It wasn't because we didn't have assets in the field at USN common Bahrain to do this. It's because we wanted to flex and show everybody that we could do it from fucking Missouri and no one would know. that message was not for you me and sean and and the peanut gallery on twitter that message was to the russians the chinese and everybody else no different than what we saw the other night certain messages are being sent i need to like frame it that way so yes maduro was exfiltrated in order to be brought into protective custody so that he can then name names because as you pointed out Alex brilliantly i might add you can't get there by legal means. We've got a warrant for the guy's arrest. U.S. warrants, the U.S. military is,

and, you know, under U.S. law, can issue that, can, you know, serve that warrant. And we did so. Is it, you know, cheeky to put it out in those terms? Sure. What are you going to do about it? Venezuela can declare war right now against the United States if they wanted to. And everybody, everybody in the anti-U.S. imperial press, a lot of our friends, some of our you know fellow travelers are looking a little dumb this morning because there ain't no way venezuel is going to declare war in the united states and then what take their grievance to the freaking what to the hague even the russians just wrote a sternly worded letter from putin's mom i mean it wasn't even like you know what i mean like it was just the whole thing was so obvious that this needed to happen

so that we can start unwinding this whole thing, the whole underlayer and stop with the states are only allowed to act against other state actors and the non-state actors get to run around the world and kill and enslave billions of people. How about fuck all with that? How about we use the power, in this case, if we have to, we use the power of state action

to fix that problem and then back off because that's what has to happen at this point Because only a state actor, as powerful as the United States, can pull off an operation like that one, just like there's going to be a Chinese operation somewhere else. And there's Russian operations happening in Ukraine as we speak, right? That's the way I'm looking at it. And if that gets on everybody's, if that compromises everybody's, you know, I don't know, beefies, well, that's not the world we live in. because, you know, state actors, these are not wars being fought by state actors crossing arbitrary political borders. These are, this is a war, as Alex pointed out, that is carried out by non-state actors, ignoring geography other than the raw geography, not the political geography, but the actual geography, doing what they need to do to advance their agenda.

And now we have people in the world who are saying, you know what, nuts to that. That's why I never, I never faulted Putin for moving into Ukraine, even though, yeah, it's against the whole, you know, you know, might makes right. We were supposed to be passed all might makes right thing. And we can redraw political borders with military force. Well, I got news for you, you know, NATO was, did that in Yugoslavia. Did they not? Yeah, but, yeah, but wait, wait, wait, wait. Kaya Kala said that if, if the government has legit, where are you laughing?

She's brave. I know you're going to say something terribly dry and witty. She's stunning and brave, Tom. Come on. She said that if your government has legitimacy, then you can't take them out. But if it doesn't have legitimacy, then it's okay. Oh, okay. All right.

So there you go. Okay. Well, now that we've established the brilliance of Caya Callas, you know. Okay, excellent. So that's the rules-based order, Tom, is the rules-based order, you know, read up. Which is an arcatory. Catch on. Rules for the, but not for me. Hey, unless I make up different rules tomorrow. Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned people like Iran and Hezbollah and all of these other people because, you know, like everybody's going on like, oh, Hezbollah has, has, uh, has,

fells in Latin America and the Iranians do and blah blah blah I don't know what this is based on but there's a lot of Middle Eastern businessmen in South America a lot like whole whole communities one of them one of them was our late friend Edmond Safran remember him oh yeah a Lebanese banker of origin who set up banks in Brazil to launder Israeli money, right? And then he funded our other friend who's still around Bill Browder, right? Who was there pillaging and plundering Russia in the 1990s? It's all the same networks. And Edmund Safra has nothing to do with Hezbollah. But you know, like he's kind of, you know, he started his career in Lebanon.

Lebanon so yeah we can smear him with it but he does that but he doesn't because we already want to take out Hezbollah and the Iranians so you know like when some Lebanese gets into some shitty shady business then we can say like oh yeah he's He's Hezbollah look how bad they are he's right yeah no I mean but they have the whole Evan Taffir angle which I'm glad you really brought this up alice because it gets again it comes back to you know the reason why you and I became friends when they invited is on the now that episode of the podcast has been scrubbed from the internet i think i have to go find it and reupload it if i know yeah a speaker scrubbed it uh years ago actually um yeah

for everybody in the in the audience this is taking alex and i back to the day when i first asked him to come on my podcast did me my very first guest one because we were um we were in the orbit of lee strandahan he was like so you need to talk to alix kraner because i was doing we were both i think we were both doing fault lines at the time uh with him and garland and um And so that got taken care of that way. And that's how, you know. They'd never scrub anything of that. But this goes all the way back to.

They'd never do that. We'd never scrub an entire episode from the internet. Unless it was misinformation and disinformation. Oh, no. Yeah. To protect the public, you know. Protect the public, for sure. Got to protect them.

Absolutely. No good. But, you know, thinking about all that, you know, Edmundsafford down there. So again, like, what are we dealing with? dealing with, you know, the conspiracy to put Martin Armstrong in jail and Putin's rise to power and Bill Browder and, you know, Yucos and this and that and all of that stuff. Where does that all lead back to? City of Manchester? No, wait.

Oh, God, no, it's, um, um, Newcastle. No, no, no. Edinburgh. No, no. Um, fuck. Oh, shit. Yeah. Wales. It's absolutely going back to Wales. That's where it's going. All roads lead to whales. It's always the same thing. And it's been going on since when did they create this network of offshore centers like 1960s? Yeah. So it concurrent with the rise of the euro dollar system. And which, you know, I think Jeff Snyder, when he was first, when he was actually relevant back 10, 10, 11 years ago, talking. about all the euro dollar stuff when he's still working for a lot of partners um you know he said by about 1954 the united states had lost control of its monetary policy the euro dollar system had already eclipsed the domestic dollar markets and therefore they were in charge of that's well before like the london gold pole libor any of that stuff that was already at that point

you could trace the euro dollar system the size of it having dwarfed um uh the american system now I'd have to go back and read those posts from 12 years ago to see how Jeff was constructing those Eurodollar futures curves because there was no Eurodollar futures market at that point, but you understand what I'm getting it. Gentlemen, if, okay, Maduro, you bring him into protective custody so he can sing until all the dirty deeds and everything else. What do you expect to come out of that? at a minimum, the laundry list of people in the Senate and Congress who have been paid told me the other way. I have that list already.

Somebody published it. I don't know if it's... I don't know that that list is real or not real. I've seen the same list. I'm going to say, as of right now, there's the list that we've seen, and then there's the real list. Right. And I don't believe that the real list is a is not a super set of the list that we've seen let's just read that way

yeah yeah okay so it's gonna so okay so out of this is going to come for the united states all the people that have been taking money from foreign interests to go against the interest of america correct yeah yeah and that and then that ends the and that that that threat of that that at this point ends this whole fucking extended pretend bullshit that that's They're not going to pass any of Trump's agenda legislatively. They're not going to, you know, push any of his appointments through the Senate, got to, got, got to, got to. All that has to end, like right here, right now.

Like, that's what all the smurfing, that's what all the smurfing notices are all about. That's what Minnesota, somebody pointed out about Minnesota and the fraud is that, you know, when you go on to, it's just like when you want to roll up a drug king kingpin, you go after the, the guy who's got the least amount of assets in the world because he's the easy target to, to bring it to put legal pressure on because he can't defend himself in court because he don't have any freaking money. Well, Minnesota is the weakest of these states that are actually the center of the fraud. That's the easiest state to go after because, one, is so blatant.

And two, it's the one so the most dependent on the fraud continuing. And that's why we've already seen Tim Walts say he's not going to run for reelection and everything else and they can push it. Now you've established the pattern. Now you start rolling up to the next big. States now you start looking at Ohio and New York and Maine and Washington but the go real but the real targets are New York and California I had something on my mind to say and now it's gone I I bet it was great it was brilliant but it's lost

now oh god it happens to me all the time out oh my getting old sucks doesn't it like you know i mean like oh god um it'll come back to you but um the um not just that part of it right um there's so many other angles on this like what else could come from of maduro i mean maybe this will spark some other of spark that to come back to you um we also have the the precious metal straight right which is also aimed directly at the city of london so i think i got you um okay so here's what i was because sean asked what comes out of this? Well, remember the National Security Strategy document that just came out in December?

So one of the things it said was that the United States is going to be dismantling the infrastructure of hostile powers in its hemisphere. Yes. And so, you know, everybody assumes that this is like, ah, right, so China, Iran, Russia, blah, blah, blah. What if it's this exactly, this infrastructure that we're talking about? offshore banking centers, the money laundering centers, the drugs, people, and weapons, uh, smuggling networks and all this, that's infrastructure. And, you know, uh, one of the things that Susan Kukinda said, well, she pointed it out because it's not, it's not controversial that in, in at least a few cabinet meetings of Trump administration,

Trump was referring to, you know, countries like Iran, Russia, China, as our supposed enemies and our so-called enemies, because he, I think that he regards certain other powers as the enemies of the United States. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I agree. like why do you think Trump's immediately moving to green line he's immediately pivoting the green line then as well is done

I mean I'm sure we have our guys on the ground and helping things out but there was a small aftershock of Maduro quote unquote loyalists that tried to you know you know take back the capital in Caracas and whatnot and that just ended and it's very quickly it's over and um Alex did you see the report

ports of the C-17's landing in the UK. I didn't see them. I don't know what that's about. What is that about? Is it like in Denmark or? I think it's two things. I think one, I think some of those guys are on their way to the Middle East. And two, I think some of those guys were made a trip to the Bank of England.

Oh, you think? Oh, yeah. Then as well as gold is in the Bank of England. Okay, I was wondering about that. Tom, because I was, okay, so here's back to Venezuela for a moment. So they take out Maduro, but they leave Delci Rodriguez in charge. They don't change anything about the government, the military is in charge. None of the institutions of the Venezuelan state have been altered, dismantled nothing.

Everything left in time, right? Bolton says, John Bolton says, follow victory. So if you're Delci Rodriguez, it makes sense to, go to elections as soon as possible and cement her victory because, you know, right now she would probably get an overwhelming vote. Now you have the president in Venezuela, let's say she wins. Now I have a president in Venezuela who is legitimate, right? And then they can say, give us back our gold or we want our gold transferred to New York not to we don't want our gold sitting in and what's what's what's the UK what's the Bank of England going to say

no you're still not legitimate we still don't regard you as legitimate what are they going to say that's hundred that's like what 140 tons that they they took right 140 tons that's that's about that's just shy of 20 billion dollars right that's right what are the brits going to say right I know so it's it's it's a good it's a good angle that's a good it's a very very good point Alex I really I like that that angle so yes and then you go through they create the legal quote unquote fiction or whatever you want to like live by the rules based order dies by the rules based order like yeah oh if you should only illegitimate, was the only

she's only legitimate as the president if we are okay with the, with the results? What are they going to do? I mean, the United States is going to be on the ground to monitor the elections and all of the, you know, and also we're not going to trust the United States word on this anymore, but we only

trust your word. No, you don't get to be in country anymore. And so at that point, then that's when we drop the snake eaters, as Blaine would put it, on the ground, into the UK and go, look, this is over because at this point and and then note yesterday stomani and surly went to ukraine and sign that stupid friggin document the three stooges

about you know how they're going to put troops in ukraine like i know that they want the united states to leave nato they're threatening us with you know liquidating their are their are their treasury reserves and they have thrown everything at us and now they're virtue signaling their old tits off if you invade greenland nato will be over like we have a we have a hostile power in nato called turkey with the largest army outside of the united states that has openly taken territory from another nato member greece in recent in living memory and everybody just stood around and let it happen while this asshole runs around claiming half the Mediterranean is his sovereign waters making which makes a mockery of uncloss the universal law of the sea right

like insane stuff and we and we allow all this to happen but NATO will dissolve over Greenland really a place that we could take over with a platoon of like deer hunters out pack of great pyrenees for fuck's sake we don't even need a tank like we just airdropped guys in with the dogs like i feel like you could do that on canada tom um um with with with a few minutes left because i don't talk alex has a hard on what other things i was going to say is up until this past week how many people did you hear talking about the monroe docker i would argue nobody other than the people that I talk to that know about it, right?

I would say, now everybody's talking about it. And then Greenland comes up. And I'm like, am I the only Canadian sitting here going, what point do they say my North Roe Doctrine in Canada, right? And go, we got to fix what's going on to the North. Sean, I'm going to say next week, Alex. That's your answer. Next week.

And then they land the pack of hunters and guys on a dog slide and they just come up and everyone's like, yeah, sure, whatever. We got no R&A. College for the dog side. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, one thing that the United States is very good at because they're honed their skills for a few decades now is orchestrating color revolutions and overthrowing regimes.

And Trump did dismantle USAID, but he never dismantled the the National Endowment for democracies, for democracy. And I assume that they still have their, you know, colossal network of NGOs and whatnot, public-private partnerships everywhere and that they're capable of doing it. You know, they don't have to go to war. They can unleash the, they can unleash the color revolutions. And I wonder, you know, what we've seen. last month in Europe, you know, protests in Bulgaria and Germany, France, Belgium, Denmark,

all over the place. If this wasn't a taste of that. Yep. Just a quick question. What do you think the Delta Force people or whoever would do at the Bank of England if they went there they would go to get the venezuela's gold and possibly and i would also argue i think um was it 25 percent of italy's gold is that the cb i don't know yeah it's 25 percent of it is held in the mariner eccles building otherwise known as the federal reserve in new york um no yeah in new york um and 50 percent of is held in rome and then 25 percent of it i think is held at the ECB, but it may be held in Bank of England, Brian, now at this point. Yeah.

No, I think this is not part of the thing. I, look, I think, I think city of London is in serious, serious trouble. Like, the silver, like, it's interesting. So, and one of the things I want to, I want to talk to you about, Alex, I'll try and do this in two minutes. Remember when the silver market broke in April of 2011? Silver was spite of $50 an ounce? That's Sunday night. Okay, on that Friday, at close the business, the Comex announced a big margin requirement.

Actually, they did a three margin raises that week in order to flush the over levered longs out. But what was also announced at the same time when the silver market opened and started the fall. It was peaking literally into $49 during Shanghai, and then what was announced? Seal Team 6 had captured and killed Osama bin Laden that night. oh that's interesting and then we open up new york the next day down three or four bucks and then and then silver market doesn't recover for 15 years so i've been thinking about that as we come into this peak in the silver market over the last couple of weeks come up 80 bucks things are crazy we've got asian ai guy now running around we get all this

crap happening everybody's talking about silver the you know we have a concentration of bullish activity all throughout the zeitgeist and on sunday night after maduro had been captured saturday morning the silver opened down the gold opened down they were both up silver was up four or five bucks at from a close friday close of seventy one hit 76. Yesterday hit 80, 81. It's now trading back down about 79 today. Gold hit a new eye in the 4550 area. Same thing. The world is different. Back then, the United States, the UK were in cahoots to break the market. Our banks now, other than maybe like the, I would call the Devogian banks, which I think are, in this case, Bofa and Citigroup. So Bank of America,

I think they're still in that short silver, or at least they were, but the other ones are out of it. They're out of that trade. J.P. Morgan is the one playing the game in order to silver higher. My friend, our mutual friend Vince Launchy has got massive receipts on all of this. So if you haven't been following the story very closely, in that respect, I have. The world has changed. I think the city of London is being removed from the pricing of gold. silver, copper, all the major metals, and the big one is oil. I know you got to run. I got to run.

Sorry. Alex, Tom, appreciate you doing this. Great to catch up. Enjoy the chat until the next time. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely, Alex. Take care.