Shaun Newman Podcast - #983 - E.M. Burlingame & LTC Steven Murray

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

EM Burlingame is an author, green beret, and currently is a Senior Research Fellow at the National Foundation for Integrative Medicine where he founded and leads the Jason Dawson and Stewart McGurk Brain Health Research Fellowship.LTC Steven Murray is a retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel who served as an Information Warfare Officer and Cyber Defense Battalion Commander. With extensive experience in cyber operations and intelligence, he commanded units supporting the United States Pacific Command, U.S. Army Pacific Forces, and the National Security Agency. He was deployed to Iraq during Operation Enduring Freedom, earning a Bronze Star, and has held roles such as Chief Information Security Officer for a large medical company. Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Prophet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] the code “SNP” on all ordersGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500EM Burlingame is an author, green beret, and currently is a Senior Research Fellow at the National Foundation for Integrative Medicine where he founded and leads the Jason Dawson and Stewart McGurk Brain Health Research Fellowship.

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Now, let's get on to that tale of the tape. Our first guest is an author, Green Beret, and currently is a Senior Research Fellow at the National Foundation for Integrative Medicine. The second guest, retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel who served as an information warfare officer and cyber defense battalion commander. I'm talking about EM Burlingame and LTC Stephen Murray. So buckle up. Here we go.

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by EM Burlingame and LTC Stephen Murray. Gentlemen, thanks for hopping on. Thanks for having. It's good to see you again. Well, I was saying before we started, LTC, you weren't here. But you finished number 15 in my top 25 episodes of 2025. and EM was number seven.

So if people hadn't checked out the full list, they can. It's pinned at the top of X. But I was like, I wonder what it would be like to have a couple of these guys just kind of intersect. So I know you guys have done podcasts before together. I just had Tom and Alex on last week. And, you know, like, I don't know, 2026 doesn't seem to be starting off slow, does it? And I'm just curious, you know, what's catching your guys' attention and we'll see where we get to? Oh, Steve?

Oh, you know, that's a loaded question. Let me just start there. And let me back up and say next year, this year I will strive to do better. I would endure and do better to be higher on the list so that I'm not, you know, below EM on the list. So we know. There's two things right now that I'm paying attention to. Again, you know, EM's looking at, I think, a more macro picture than I am. I'm looking at what I'm seeing as far as from the information space.

And what I see is a lot of narratives that are all incitement operations to try and get people into the streets to create some kind of kinetic activity here in the States. I'm not really paying attention to what's going on in the ground in Iran because I'm really waiting to see what our lines of operation are going to be there. Trump's already said that he's going to move into a certain direction if they decide to go against their own population. We'll see how much of that he really does. I'm watching Mexico pretty closely because of what's going on on the border

and I have people in the system that are telling me there's stuff going on down there. That's where my head's at. I'm not really paying attention to the Greenland stuff. To me, that's all pying this guy until the deal signed. I'm not paying attention to what's actually happening on the ground in Minnesota because it's just noise. They're trying to get another Floyd riot there.

They're trying to get more critical mass. And they're just not, I don't think they're going to get there. So I really am not paying attention to what's happening on the ground. I'm really watching what the narratives are coming out of all the different groups on the left that are trying to incite other cities. That's where my head's on. When you see the other narratives or the narratives coming out,

What do you, I guess what's sticking out to you? What do you, what are you seeing? They want another George Floyd riot. That's what this whole game's about. The media is doing the same thing. The Congress is doing the same thing. Everybody on the left is a line saying the same messaging. You see the same group of malcontents coming out with their little pins from, you know,

last night or whatever night. They did the Hollywood gala. It's all the same thing. And the thing that I'm really, you know, watching closely is the narratives that are popping up around, we need to pick up arms. We need to go after ice. We need to hang Christy Noem. I mean, that's open sedition. When you see police chiefs saying that we're going to mobilize the police to go after the National Guard or to go after the military and go after DHS, that's sedition.

That makes me wonder where our DOJ is at. Oh, that's right. They're not doing anything. So I'm watching I'm watching the rhetoric slowly getting stepped up. I'm watching the activism getting stepped up because all these people are paid actors, right? I don't believe all the media coverage of this because most of these people are being paid by somebody to go incite this. These aren't average people. These aren't just these aren't just energized activists.

The gal that they shot was a paid actor. I'd have shot that bitch too. Long before she ever hit the gas pedal. I'd have shot her. So, but again, I, you know, I'm looking at this from the perspective. I know most of these people are paid actors to cause problems and create some kind of an emotional incident so people react to it. They, they're hoping to pivot off of some kind of a more emotional deal.

And the fact that they shot two cartel members, I think it was in Portland that they shot them, you know, that's significant. And the other side of this is the thing that nobody's talking about that I'm paying attention to is if we start striking the cartels, we're going to have a hot war on our border all over the southwest. It's not just going to be in L.A. or wherever the friction is at. It's going to be everywhere because the cartels have infiltrated every part of this country. The Sinaloa cartel goes all the way up to Canada. You don't think they're going to sit on their hands. If we, you know, unlaunch, if we start launching Kinnak attacks into Mexico, do you honestly

think they're going to sit still? No, they're going to start going after local leaders, law enforcement. They're going to start creating chaos here. That's what they do. And they're good at it. So. EM, you can hop in any time, but I do want to ask LTC about the lady that was shot. You know, up here in Canada, we have the Freedom Convoy, you know, this peaceful protest where people didn't use violence, that type of thing. And so I started noticing a discussion start to kind of weave out between a whole bunch of people here in Canada, but whether or not shooting somebody when they're trying to run over a police. officer and then a whole bunch of different breakdowns of what actually went on and people were trying

to see, I think, you know, like, is it okay for cops to use force, you know, lethal force on someone? And I'm just, I'm just kind of curious, you know, I got you two sitting here. You know, Canada leans on the freedom convoy all the time and how no violence happened. In the United States, it's been a different story. I don't know. What would you say to Canadians? The trucker movement failed. The government took people's bank accounts and they won.

There was no force. Yes, you're right. You're all so peaceful up there. But you went three steps forward in tyranny because you didn't stand for yourself because you didn't want to go to force. So is that a win? How much more locked in tyrannical is your government? Because you were peaceful.

Right? With respect to this lady, she's a nut job. This is what she does for a living, right? They're arresting people, you know, rightfully arresting people for obstruction who've been at a hundred of these events and they've been paid every bit of the way. There are people whose entire careers, this is how they earn a living. They just travel around the country and they get paid by the, through the NGOs to do this. This is color revolution. This is, you know, this is constant picking the scab.

right so if you ever you know so there's always conflict there's always tension so if you ever need to you know get something driven towards violence you already have a momentum going because it's hard to get that going from zero so you constantly have this agitation this is on conventional warfare 101 and that's these people are i was late for to um i was literally waited for it and right it's it's literally textbook we we train this shit in the schoolhouse is what you do and here's the kicker in what and by the way we we were both going to say almost exactly the same thing at the exact same time because the the trucker convoy yeah it was all it was organized it was staged flawlessly but where it stopped short is when the government started taking bank accounts you guys didn't

go after politicians and politicians should have been it should have been open season at that point and you don't have to look you don't have to go after all of them but you just have to go after enough so the rest of them get the message that this is real and this is serious and this isn't going to be tolerated but you guys rolled over and we're just take a step back right let's take a step back okay so they take your bank account community needs to step forward and support the truckers truckers should it didn't need to go violent necessarily but they needed to stay see the regime learned from the way in which they they stopped the Occupy Wall Street stuff back in 2011, 2012. How did they do that? Because Occupy

Wall Street was gaining momentum and it was broadening out from there. And why? Because the people stayed occupying for over a year. Right. And so how did they, how did they, you know, shunt that off? Well, this is when all this wokeest stuff got fed into the main systems, into the mainstream, the over the top communist Marxist stuff got fed into the main, into the mainstream and all the channels and support and all this so that we all went we turned from the enemy which is you know the financialist and their pet owned states tyrannical states the mob state and we went after each other right the no hairs and the blonde hairs turned on the purple hairs and the and the gays and the straits and the trans were turned on everybody that's how they do it

that's what they did why because occupy wall street was working but how How does it work? Right? Because on their side, they have trillions of dollars that they've war chested over the last 40 years specifically to pay for these things. We don't do that on the responsible side. We have jobs. We have careers.

We have lives. We're not trying to wage war with everybody all of the time. So it's hard for us to sustain a thing. Like the farmers, you know, the farmers are doing things in France and Denmark, etc. But they can only do that till the spring because then they got to go plant, you know, Then they got to go do planting. They can't maintain that. Well, do you think the governments don't know that?

All they go do is weighted out. Right? So if you're going to do peaceful revolution, right? And this is what Kennedy said, right? JFK said, if you don't allow for peaceful revolution, you will have a violent revolution. But for a peaceful revolution to work, you have to sustain it over long periods of time.

And that means that other people need to materially support the people that are maintaining it, right? The ones that are standing the line. Wholeheartedly agree. Wholeheartedly. And, you know, the case of point here, if you look at all the fraud that's going on, that's covering, it's probably going to cover every state by the time they're done. Oh, yeah. It's going to be, it's literally going to involve every state involved in this.

And I don't call Somali child care centers anymore. It's just child care centers that they've used. And it's similar to the NGOs that they're using for the homeless, for all of these hotels, for all of the housing for the homeless. It's a self-looking ice cream cone. You notice how they're not talking about anybody at the highest levels. This goes, I can guarantee you this all the way it goes all the way to Congress. And you would think that the American people would be non-compliant,

compliant now with the IRS and say, we're done paying taxes until you sort this out. But instead, you don't hear anybody talking about it. And that's the revolution that should be going on right now, is the entire American public should be saying, we're not going to, we're not supporting the IRS. First of all, it's unconstitutional in the first place. Second of all, it's supposed to be voluntary, but they've, they've changed the rules on business. So it's not voluntary for most Americans. Why are people paying their taxes? I've called for tax revolt. This is the most English thing ever is tax revolt. Absolutely.

Goes all the way back to our beginning. Over a thousand years ago, the most powerful tool the English-speaking peoples have is tax revolt. And trust me, if we don't pay taxes. On mass. One year on mass, over 100 million people, the country goes bankrupt. Correct.

This isn't just true for U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, right? Tax revolt. Yeah, and I will say we're past the culmination point of protesting. We're at the noncompliance stage where it's peaceful noncompliance. And if they don't respond to the peaceful noncompliance across the country, then we pick up arms. And I can tell you that if Trump doesn't follow through with his promises and we don't start seeing arrests, he's going to be the most despised man in American history because the entire population wants to see justice. and accountability. That's what they put him in office for. Steve, I think that I had this conversation

with Tom and Alex and Tommy yesterday, I believe fundamentally if we don't see arrest of real people and real names, credible arrests that lead to not just arrest, right, indictments and arrests, but actual convictions and real jail served, we will see, we are watching in our own lifetime the end of liberal democracy. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because what liberal democracy means now everywhere that there is liberal democracy is straight up organized crime at the government level yeah the period of state problem i wrote about right yeah so i would just get a reference right so i suspect i mean this very genuinely gentlemen i suspect very much that if we do not see substantive arrest and convictions and impoverishment you know people's ill-gotten gains taken

from them and used to pay down debt, you know, the debts used to, you know, to offset some of the, you know, because that's where most of our debts are coming from is all this theft. A trillion. It's roughly probably just the US loans about two trillion dollars a year at every level of just pure through the government, government entities theft. Right. So I suspect very much if we do not see substantive arrest, substantive repatriation of funds to pay down debts, et cetera, we are watching in our life. lifetimes the end of liberal democracy. And I'll give you one more piece. The resentfuls, you know, the financialists and the resentfuls are actively seeking to collapse liberal democracy. Look at how Canada has been acting. Look at how the EU has been acting. Look at Stommer and his government.

Look at Kearney. Look at all of them. They're not, they're not acting as liberal Democrats. They're acting as national socialist, not Marxist, national socialist. They're intangels. They're intention is to collapse liberal democracy. That's the whole point and the whole concept and the whole idea of ending nation states. And what's worse is we're watching in a real time. Yeah. This is the other thing too is people need to get this mindset that there is a left and a right and there's an aisle. There's no such thing anymore. All these people on both sides of the aisle are a part of the grift. And here's a good example. So Elon Musk talked about how he doesn't want to go back to Doge because of the death threats. And it wasn't the death threats from the liberals.

It was the death threats from the Republicans because he was identifying all the money streams. When people go to Congress, especially the more, let's just say the more of a sociopath they are, the more likely they are to have revenue streams. They were using USA to funnel money into other countries back into their own pockets. Then they've been doing it for decades. And Elon Musk saw all of it. He figured out that they had fund sites set up that were paying people in perpetuity with absolutely no oversight whatsoever. They had NGOs that were being funded, and this is where George Zos came in. Soros came in. He'd build a NGO, put some seed money in, then he'd go lobby Congress to fund the NGO,

and all the money would go right back to him and all the congressmen that actually fund the NGO. And because of that, Musk is like, I'm not going to go back because of the death threats I got from the Republicans, not from the Democrats. They're all on the payroll, every single one of them. This is what, you know, Steve, to what you're saying, this infrastructure that's in place for this laundering of U.S. aid, U.S. monies, et cetera, was established after, you know, during and after World War II. And this goes back to Steve Cohn.

This goes back to Robert Maxwell. You know, what was Operation Maxwell Epstein? Really, it wasn't pedophilia. that was covered. What were they doing? Well, go look at Epstein. What was his early work that he did at Bear Stearns? I think it was Bear Stearns. Yeah. No, it was a, was it Lehman? Whichever firm he was with, right? But what did he do? He established, this is what Epstein's actual skill set was, is money laundering, is setting up these, you know, multiple entity, multiple nation, state flows so that this money all filters back to, you know, the bureaucrats and politicians.

That's what Epstein, you know, Maxwell Epstein was really doing, was putting in place this massive, massive theft infrastructure that goes back to bureaucrats and not just the ones we know, but even mid-level bureaucrats, judges, you know, anybody that has any influence over the control of our systems and not just in the U.S., but they're in the entire English-speaking world, in much of Europe, et cetera. That's what they were really doing. And it's a system now. It's not a, it's correct.

It's not just a one-off. It's a system that's- Well, what it is now, it's the infrastructure of liberal democracy now. It's the very emphasis. I would say, yeah, you're probably right. I hate to say it, but I know you're right. If we go back to,

I've written on this in the book, Financialist Kill Chain, right? If we go back to Venice, we can see the beginning of this because it was the Venetians who were promoting liberal democracy, as early as the 700s, along with their funding, et cetera. And then they were the model, right? The republic system, right? So liberal democracy from the beginning has been this threat, you know, this grift structure, right? This bureaucratic grift structure. Well, for that to work, they had to get rid of strong. princes and kings because they could put a stop to that. Well then you had to

teach you had to convince the people with down with the princes down with the kings. So this grift infrastructure is liberal democracy. Now can we you know clean it up? Can we remove this? Can we you know fix some of the you know checks and balances and still have self-rule because that's what liberal democracy was a Republican system or Democrat system you know I don't mean the political parties, but, you know, a republic or a democracy or whatever, that's all self-rule. Can we self-rule with a cleaned-up system, or is liberal democracy going to go away and is going away right in front of us because it is by its very nature, this grift infrastructure, right? This institutionalized,

validated drift infrastructure. Yeah, I believe it's crumbling under its own way to corruption, right? It's just, it's got to the point where, I mean, And you can make the case about the socialist, fascist regime in Nazi Germany, right? There was so much paranoia in the system that it couldn't sustain itself because it was a self-looking ice cream coma, paranoia and inherent distrust. And the same kind of deal now. You have a population that, again, I can't understand why we're not paying, what people are still talking about paying taxes,

that is paying into a system that's so corrupt that there's absolutely no representation whatsoever and no trust in any any of the institutions. I mean, if this fraud shows us anything, it's that every institution in our society is compromised by this liberal fascism. And it's to the point where everything is corrupted to the point of non-functioning.

And like I said, I'm surprised it hasn't gone kinetic already. I really am. Well, we are a, one of the things that I love about the English peoples is we are a forgiving people, we are an understanding people. And we will put up with much until we, you know, until there is no putting up with left. Right. And we will, we have this extraordinary civilization. We have this extraordinary common law. We are a constitutional people. we have all of the tools and resources we need to clean this up. But do we have the will? And do we have the will that we will sustain across the two, three generations necessary

to not only clean it up, but to keep it cleaned up, at least for the next couple hundred years until it gets corrupted again? I don't know. I think we will when people are uncomfortable enough, because they're not uncomfortable yet. I mean, as high as it is the cost of living now, because I mean, have you bought any meat lately? It's ridiculously expensive.

Any proteins expensive. They're just not uncomfortable enough. And it's going to boil down to the place where people are so uncomfortable, they have to do something different. Because human nature is you're going to stay as comfortable as you can, as long as you can, before you're forced to do something different. And we haven't been forced to do anything different. That's why everybody's still sitting on their hands.

And I think the other side of that, too, is I think, a good portion of the population's waiting for somebody else to fire the first round. Well, I was going to say, you know, I don't know, like when you talk about Will, will is something that I think has to be built or experiences form it. Maybe I'm wrong on that kind of direction. So when you go to the shooting of the lady in Minnesota, you go, they're looking for the next George Floyd. And I go, that's interesting because the population isn't the same that it was. when George Floyd happened, not even remotely close.

But you're talking about people who are running the show that are completely divorced from reality. Sure. They have no connection to the base or to people on the ground and they haven't for five years, right? They've lived in this bubble in D.C. So they still think the narratives that were playing in 2020 and 2021 are still viable today and they're not, right?

Everybody's moved past it. So. Yes, which gives me, I'm like, if they're that dumb, I mean, doesn't that give you just a little sense of hope that this is just like, you know, I mean, the only problem you got is the will. When does the will kick in? And the will usually has to have a face to it, doesn't it? Doesn't it have to have some charismatic leader come in?

No, not really. You know, it's a great question. I've written three documents. I'm not going to say what they are. People have got to go through a puzzle and some other things to kind of find them. But you're absolutely right. A will has to be created. It's a mass psychosis or a mass formation, not mass psychosis.

We have that already, but it's a mass formation. And that can happen rather suddenly. It doesn't necessarily need some major catalyst. This is the conversation I've been having with Jim Cuncelor and John Waters in Ireland, is that historically it was the writers, the orators. you know, the writers who said the things in the way that connected with people and then people shared that. And it wasn't always books, you know, it's pamphlets or flyers or, you know, now it's

tweets. But I'm not, you know, for the responsible side, I'm not seeing this kind of coming together around a message that can provide for, you know, a healthy mass formation. The resentfuls have it. They're doing it all the time. Like, you know, they're going to say. saint this, you know, the resentfuls are sainting this lady like they sainted George Floyd, right? That's one of their martyrs. Okay, well, that just feeds their mass formation. It does, you know, helps sustain their mass formation. It doesn't change anything on for anybody else. Right. It doesn't change the lines. Nobody's going to come join their side now. Nobody's going to leave their side. It's right. But for the responsible is very much we were saying, Sean,

we don't have those great orators. And we got to. a president right now who's a pub brawler you know he's he's not he's not a pub brawler he's not a drinker but i mean he acts like one yes he does that's a why way to say that too he's a because he understands the english speaking peoples we are pub brawlers by nature our civilization is a no joke pub brawler civilization it's what makes us great and so he's talking exactly as he has to as was a pub brawler, right? But you can't do a mass formation around, you know, the guy at the pub who's brawling.

You know, you can't a healthy mass formation. So I don't see the literary staff counselor and Waters and I are gonna talk again here that provides the kind of language. And now we gotta do it in tweets and you know, 140 characters or less and we gotta repeat it so that it gets in the information cycle. And we gotta figure out how to

beat the algorithms that are, you know, taking such types of content and, and making sure it doesn't get promoted around. But where we are, Sean, to your question is this can happen rather suddenly and it doesn't need a great leading figure, et cetera. But it does need those. It needs some literary works that give people a, you know, understanding what we really dealing with and what we have that's amazing, extraordinary and capable and how powerful we really are if we just use these kind of certain tools. I would, I would, I would tend to disagree with that because a good portion of the population doesn't read like we used to.

Well, that's what I'm saying though, Steve. That's, you know, you got to do it in characters, 140 characters or less. I'm saying, I'm saying video like TikTok, like Instagram, like Facebook that you know, 15 second sound. One, I might, I might even go a different avenue, which is what is, you know, who is the most powerful individual in the media sphere right now in Joe Rogan. He's completely transformed how we intake information. So while reading a pamphlet or some literary work back centuries ago was the way information

was carried. Consume, thank you. I think what E.M. is pointing to is you fast forward and we consume differently. Oh, I don't disagree with that at all. He's spot on, right? It's going to be. But literary. Literary works are now put through these forms.

Correct. So an amazing podcast happens. How many times does it hit your inbox through the underground network of people just talking to one another? Like when somebody hits it out of the park, it gets sent to me, I don't know, 10, 20 times. Like it's just like, ding, you got to check this out. And then stop. Yeah. So in the old days, we had to write in books because we didn't have this video format.

that. So we wrote things and we got those distributed as much as possible. But what is a writer, a real writer? I write every day. I'm having a conversation. Now I'm having a conversation with myself because I'm trying to get this out. I'm trying to figure out how to argue, how to discuss it, how to argue, make sure it's clean, it's concise, et cetera. And then I'm writing it down. So, you know, yes, we had to use books and pamphlets and other things in the past. And they still do have value because the written word still does mean a lot. And you still do, there's only so much we can do verbally in conversations with one another to really flesh out, even in five shows, right, that are on topic, a really complex idea. You could write a three-page essay that just nails that

complexity. Now, how do you get people to read it, right? How do you get them there? How do you prepare them so that when they do read it, they understand it. Right? And then how do you do that in the same? The biggest problem I think mostly that we have now is just the noise space. Yeah. We have so much noise, right? That it just, the noise just washes most of the thing out.

And unfortunately, even myself sometimes, I have to catch myself, put the phone down, stop away from the computer, right? We're all dopamine addicts. Yeah. The enemy's figured out. how to use that against us to fill the system with noise so we don't know what to pay attention to because you know one of the biggest things and by the way you are absolutely 100% spot on that you know little or i get stuff sent to me all day long right i could consume maybe a third

of what's sent to me every day and maybe a tenth of what's sent to me in video and even with that I'm still days behind current events trying to catch up. And that's in lieu of my full-time gig that I have to sustain myself on. And I want to go back to something you said earlier, this is why I love having conversations with you, man. It takes me three days to decompress all the shit that comes out of your house. So I know, you can figure out exactly what you're saying. But you know, you said, and it's true,

because the same is true with influencing operations. to sustain a revolution, you have to have people that are dedicated and believers that are invested in it full time and have financial support and background to be able to carry the fight and recruit new members. You know, all of us have a day job, right? And it's the same kind of the thing with these influencers. Like Joe Rogan has changed the landscape for information consumption. Absolutely agree.

But whose fucking side is he on? Is he an asset? Is he not an asset? That's the question everybody's asking, because the system's so full of assets and has been so infiltrated and is so controlled by algorithms, people are questioning everything now. And he's probably 100% legit. He's neutral. Yeah. But at the same time, you can see how he can't be that influencer because people are too suspect

because the system is so broken. There's nobody they can rally around to say, this guy's real. Because there's always, you know, the enemy literally launches an entire campus. to discredit somebody if they're over target. And it's highly effective. I mean, I watch these information campaigns. Just look at Candace Owens. I don't know if she's right or wrong. I don't know if she's factual or not.

But I do know that the moment she started coming out against Erica Kirk, they deployed every asset they could possibly deploy to discredit her. So if you're just Joe average person, who are you going to believe? And it's a highly effective system. It's not, this is not just a one-off. This is a system of censorship, a system of disruption, a system of interdiction that they've perfected over decades. So when his shift- The head of Romanian information operations, Lieutenant General, when he defected, right, this information, great book, Ian Pacheppa, right, Lieutenant General.

When the head of Romanian intelligence, you know, information operations, information warfare, which the Soviets head of information warfare were the Romanians, right? When he defected in, I think, 88, 89 and came over the highest ranking defector, he went and worked directly for the FBI until he passed away just a couple years ago. The FBI. What was the connections, you know, the Twitter gate stuff? What were all the connections between the FBI and Twitter? And now we, you know, of course, meta and, you know, Google, et cetera, et cetera.

wait a second how many people have left twitter have you have you seen elon must docks anybody or throw anybody out or say he fired anybody and it's not just the fbi you have you have former nsa you have former cia all still on the payroll why why are they still there yeah but why hasn't he docks them well this is the system this is what you do right you tell the sins of the father when the sins of the father no more matter no longer matter because you're on to new sins and you show yourself to be a righteous person because you're calling out your father's sins. What doesn't matter, your father's probably dead. And you're on to your own, your generation, your time's sins now. You're continuing the thing. Yep.

Sorry, what's the book, Ian Pacheca? Pachepa. Disinformation. It's got a red cover. I can already hear the audience texting me. I can already hear it coming like what what books he am talking about? I think these two guys agree on oh man yeah I read that book it's fantastic. No it's a brilliant book because it lays out exactly how they how the Soviets were doing this. Now I want to give you another mind better. I think the book itself is disinformation. What they're doing with the book is their reputation washing the Catholic Church

is role in World War II by stating that they did all of these things. this is how disinformation systems work, and this is how we discredited the Pope, right? The Nazi Pope, okay? I didn't pick it up while I was reading the book, but sometime later I was like, wait a second, are they using the same methodology they're telling us about to then tell us that the Catholic Church and the popes,

et cetera, and weren't involved with the Nazis? Right? It's like, how do you change the narrative? Right? Well, they'll tell you exactly how they're, doing it and they'll say well yes see we did this thing we did this malevolent thing to malign somebody why are they telling you that what you know what's the purpose of they're telling you that are they now reputation washing something right they can switch and shift the narratives

back and forth the whole time we don't we take us they're telling us exactly how they do it and then we don't take a step back and go well are you doing it right now with this very book trust societies that's how we work I just sent you that be a text Sean so you have it thank you sir appreciate it so there now if people are sitting there going what book was that you can text me and I'll just text you at LTC sent me yeah so this is this is the problem that we have the problem that we have is we are linguistic monkeys and linguistic monkeys get hijacked with words we to even turn we convert every every internal emotion psychological thing thing that's going on to

words to ourselves and we convert all that external inputs coming in to words well words are just symbols they have no actual real meaning it's like math right people like well the math was brilliant it's just a bunch of squiggles on a piece of paper math has no meaning whatsoever other than what you give it what's the same with words right okay do we think we think that ruling classes for thousands of years haven't figured out how to use words how to move how to shift how to adjust how to constantly you know get people into one mass formation keeping from shaping up into another one do you think that wouldn't be what you know a resentful's ruling class would be most skilled at across thousands of years and then add technology and and now put jp8 fuel on it and

right you know there's a i i before i say this let me qualify this the guy's a sociopath and he's a psychopath killed a lot of people but bill gates did write a book business at the speed of thought and people should read that book because it'll give you insight into how the guy thinks right one of the other disadvantages that we have because we're a trust-based society is we don't really do a lot of research into how our enemy thinks and how our enemy operates and how our enemy conducts operations or even how we think or operate well i wasn't going to go that far because we don't where logic applies we don't do that here so just stop that um but my point is is that we don't we don't really do the deep dive to figure out how the enemy operates right one of the

and i'll let the green bray talk in a second because he can do this a hell of a lot better than i can do it but we would spend hours I mean hours in intelligence preparation the battlefield and we would do all these bipartisan graphs to figure out all the connections and centers of gravity for our for our enemies and we did it at nauseam because we wanted to understand how our enemy was going to be arrayed during the fight right disposition of forces it's a big deal and we we as a as a population we don't do that kind of critical thinking and that's how they're able to get over on us over and over and over again because we don't pay attention to the scripts.

We don't pay attention to the themes and narratives. That's, you know, part of the reason why I pay attention to themes and narratives and I leave the historical side of it to EM is that my, you know, my sweet spot's always been in the information space. His sweet spot is both he's been on the operational side of it on the ground and he's done the historical deep dive. So between the two of us, if I'm seeing a trend, he's probably seeing it on a different side, right? Most Americans don't think that way.

We think this is what's real because I'm being told that this is what's real. And that's the depth of the thinking, right? It's one layer deep. This fight's going to require people to think six or seven layers deep and look at the second, third, fourth, and fifth order of effects before they figure out what's real and what's not real. And I think once that transition happens, it'll be very quickly. But it's going to be when people are uncomfortable.

It's not going to happen right now. And that's unfortunate part of it. This is what, Steve, no, I'm. I fundamentally grew there. This is why I wrote The Eternal War, working with Tucker Max, who kept me on track. The enemy is working on 13 different dimensions simultaneously always. And they told us this because Saul Erinski wrote him down the rules for radicals. He wrote down the 13 rules.

He wrote down the 13 doctrinal, you know, doctrines. and lines of effort that the resentfuls are constantly, they're working along all 13 vectors simultaneously. We know this because they told us, right? See, this is the one of the things about the enemy. They do like to brag, and they do like to convince, you know, they like to talk about how clever they are and how brilliant they are, and they tell you exactly what they're doing, right?

Why? Well, because one, it gets Normies out of the, out of the picture because that's too complex for Normies to, you know, engage with. It's two, you know, maybe the normies can, the smart ones can deal with three lines of effort, not 13. So, ah, we'll leave somebody else to handle that. For some people, it's, they're bragging because they're like, okay, you're my enemy. You're going to have to meet me again, you know, you're going to have to compete against me in all 13 lines of effort simultaneously. and I'm smarter than you, more clever than you, right? And they absolutely think that. And they absolutely think it, right?

They think because, you know, they think because they're, they understand Saul Olensky's theories and practices and lines of effort, and they live it, right, and Cloward Piven and all these others, right? But really, Soloninsky was the one that wrote them down and told us what they are. So when I wrote the Eternal War, I had written two pieces. prior, two or three pieces prior, called rules for counter radicals. Right? The 13 rules for counter radicals. And I wrote line by line, how do we counter Saul Olinsky's doctrine in lines of effort? And I carried that on in the book, The Eternal War.

I made it as simple as possible. But we have to think along 13 different threat vectors and everything that we're doing because the enemy, told us and they and it proves to be true again and again and again that that's how they operate we're not going to beat him by being you know as individuals or as a group by being way better than them at three or four they'll just beat us with three or four others or eight others so you know Saul olensky wrote down the rules for radicals i've written the counter rules for radicals and a whole book around it with very simple principles rules etc after decades of you know study and work and all kinds of fields etc we have to understand this we have to start being more

sophisticated complex peoples well we used to be before modern education right like some of the most truly sophisticated thinkers i've ever met in my life are very uneducated people right yeah because they're living right and they're living in the real world and they're reacting to the real world they didn't go somewhere and get programmed on this reduced complexity world some of the most brilliant people are like in afghanistan and a dirt village talking to a guy right in afghani no education went to school for maybe three years in afghanistan right but you talk to him about you know historical pieces and all that, you know, or physics or this or, but you have a conversation with him about the like the rules for, you know, countering the rules for radicals. That guy understood all 13

dimensions like that. Nobody had to explain it to him. Nobody had to sit down and write a lit, no, no, no, no, he's living real life. He's living in the real world. And he's having to deal with all of this, you know, all of this eternal war complexity that's going on all the time. But he's not, he wasn't one of his advantages, though, that we don't have. is he didn't have all the technology surrounding him making noise, right? That's true too. That's right. And also, he took a gun and go shoot somebody when something got too out of balance.

I think we should bring back dueling, legal dueling. We would get sophisticated thinkers real quick. Oh, yeah. Now, it's got to be legal and structured and, you know, like it was towards the end of dueling, right? You had to. And Texas, I think, is the one. of the few states i think there's three or four states the united states that still has dueling that's legal now whether you're going to get away with it or not and have a district return but i i mean this

very seriously people will get way more sophisticated real quick if dueling was made legal again i i hate to say it man but i think it's coming back regardless of whether it's legal or not just give it a matter of time it'll show up as gunfights first and then it'll get more civilized as more people get smoked hey this call spade is made right i mean look we're all we're all talking about the same thing we're all teetering on this edge of you know the fine line between violence and peaceful peaceful protests and where they're the enemy is trying very hard to push us over that edge because they benefit from a kinetic fight i mean think about it they benefit and they don't have critical mass yet but you just watch they'll

switch up the playbook and use three more lines of operation and they may get it in parts of the country but they won't get it across the country right because the one thing and you said this the best their arrogance will be their undoing because they've they've overplayed their hand already the reality is most of the country most of the planet is fatigued with conflict most of the planet is sick of it they're sick of the grift they're sick of the conflict they're sick of the resource hogging they're sick of the fact that all these other you know all of these let's just say a very small body of rich people have have a massive amount of influence and wealth and they're basically exploiting resources in all these poor countries people are sick of it they're seeing it and i hate to say it

but the catalyst for all of this was gaza Gaza was the the catalyst that woke the world up that hey there's really nobody coming to rescue you no matter what's going no matter who it is nobody's coming to rescue you we are in the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of modern, we're at the end of the modern equivalent of the 80 years war. The 80 years were going with that. It was the culmination of what happened due to the printing press, you know, putting so many ideas and concepts into so many people's heads. It changed everything. People had to rethink everything.

And it led to nonstop war for a couple centuries into the 1600s. And the 80 years war, there's the 30 years war, there's the third. 30 years and the 50 years and there's etc. But the 80 years war was a nonstop war for 80 years in Europe. Directly the result of the printing press and how it just all these ideas and concepts and all these things that people had to, you know, had to deal all these more words, right? All this new stuff you had to take it. Okay, well, we are at the culmination of the modern 80 years war.

We have been at war since 1939. We've never not been at war for 80 years. Most people don't realize, think GWAT, they think Iraq and Afghanistan. No, we were in 125 countries in some form of conflict. And at one point at the height of the GWAT, the global war and terror, there was only 10 countries out of 195 that did not have some form of armed conflict going on. on. So to what Steve's saying, humanity is exhausted from war because we have been at war around the world. And that's not just kinetic wars. That's financial wars. That's, you know, ideological wars.

It's culture wars. You know, we've been at war for 80 years nonstop. We can't afford it anymore. We're exhausted. Nobody's enjoying it anymore. there's no more to steal, there's no more to take. Yep. Right? We've taken to fund this 80 years of war. We have stolen from the next five generations, three of which are not even born or two of which are not even born yet in the form of these debts.

What are these debts that we've racked up in 80 years of war? Hundreds of trillions of dollars of debt. That is future generations lives that are going to have to pay. those debts down unless somehow we just excuse them and wipe them out right so we are so far beyond exhausted it's not just the people alive there are people not even born yet that are already exhausted because we've already used up the productivity of their life to fight an 80 year war all over the world that's accomplished nothing absolutely nothing nothing changed nothing in fact it did change something It actually brought back to world powers and returned the world to the form it was before World War II.

In fact, it actually is resetting now as we go along as we, you know, we're probably not going to finish this 80 years war until the next decade. You know, finally wrapping it all up, winding it up, et cetera. But what's happening is we are going back to pre-World War I world posture. Now, will the Ottoman Empire come back? probably no will the Habsburg empire come back probably no but the Russians are back on the scene the Chinese are back on the scene Europe's breaking apart the United King you know the English speaking peoples you know we're the ones they're going to go through the worst of it because we've been the locus of all of this for the last 80

years and we've got the biggest mess by far and don't forget declining birth rates and you know all the statistics that go along with with that. Well, but the problem with the birth rate thing is that it is an issue and it's something we need to be aware of. But the problem that we have, the fundamental issue with the birth rate population decline is the fact that we worship GDP gross domestic product. And it's a measure of nothing that's real. It's like, was it 12 companies now that they measure? Seven. This is the top seven companies. And then, you know, they change, even if the numbers that went into the GDP, to valuing GDP were valid numbers, it still wouldn't measure anything because humanity is not

an economy. Humanity is humanity or civilization is not an economy. It can't be, you know, I was an analyst. I've read thousands of financials and thousands of, you know, transactions and companies, etc. Some of them ludicrously sophisticated, you know, 50,000 cells, et cetera. But you can't reduce a civilization, you know, a people to spreadsheets. It's impossible. You can't value it in dollars. So we have got to stop worshipping GDP as if it's something real or if it's something that we should all be seeking to achieve. It's not. It's not even real. We have to get back to civilization and society. Well, the only people who care, you know, dramatically and freak out about GDP or about population decline are people who need the populations to continue to continue.

to grow and expand so that GDP can continue to grow and expand. There is no other reason for us to stress the hell out of population decline. It happens in history and it'll balance out at a certain level and then it'll recover. But it won't for as long as we worship GDP because that's what's creating the imbalances so people can't focus on families early enough. I got nothing. We worship GDP like it's a god. Yeah, I got nothing. But you're right. I mean, that's our whole economy is driven by that you know the the uh i don't want to go down the rabbit hole but the war in the family is a part of that too right they they they fought a sustained war against

women and family for where the better part of 20 years now 30 years i so steve i wonder about that actually right i wonder if yes there's always a war on women from women that's just their natural genetic warfare it's been going on from the beginning of time it's going to go on forever It's taken off because more and more women are in the workplace, more and more women are supported through social welfare systems, more and more women don't have to figure out how to live with a man and succeed in the world. And until recently, until the last 10 years or so,

it was relatively safe, not to take away from women that have been harmed. Right. I don't necessarily believe that there is a concerted, in this great conspiracy against the family. I think it's a natural inevitable result of R in the 1970s when we went off the gold standard and went to Fiat and then when greed became good in the 1980s, I think with the destruction of families, the natural byproduct, if we stopped worshipping life and started worshiping GDP. I disagree with that because if you go back, I can go all the way back to the 60s and see that there's messaging, you know, the progressive left, the messaging for. Yeah, totally agree. And all of that, that's a direct attack on women.

That's not women after women. That's a direct attack on the nuclear family. And if you look at the value systems that have been pushed for the last 20 years, especially starting in the mid-80s until now that's gotten progressively more and more toxic, that's a concerted effort. I mean, that's been. I don't take away from that, but why has it succeeded when that's always there? That women against women, right?

Well, goes back to what you're saying, right? It goes back forever. But yes, why has it been successful now, though, in the way that it's been successful? It's because we used to be able to counter that persistent, you know, devouring mother, because that's what that is, right, and all the great belief systems. We were able to counter that through, you know, strong, healthy families. Well, how do you have strong, healthy families? Family comes first, not economy, not.

not the GDP of a nation, right? You know, you focus on the wealth of the family, being the family itself and the family's ability to sustain itself. Three kids, five kids, 10 kids. But we don't hold that as the value of our people anymore. The counter women stuff's been going on forever. Read stuff around the witch trials in the 1600s.

I'm not disagree with that. read around the Inquisition, it was women against women. It was women turning in women, women turning on women. Anytime there was a bright one who. I think that's a separate discussion because there's always, there's no way to say this politically correct. So screw it. I'm just going to say it.

Women are always the most insidious, right? You look at somebody who, in a cause who believes in the cause most, it's always a woman that's the most ardent believer and the most dangerous, right? The most radical. And to a certain extent, I completely agree with that because there's always going to, there's always going to be that friction, right? Just look at a group of 14-year-olds together and you can see how it's, how that whole psychosis forms.

But where I'm going is that I think there was a concerted effort. And I'm not going to say the intelligence agencies, but somewhere in the elite circles to go after women. Because this trans movement is a perfect example of how it's a direct attack on women. I mean, they're literally convinced. convincing women to castrate their kids and convince their kids that they want to be castrated. And that that's a life-changing event. I've written on this extensively, right?

I call on the estrogenics, right? This is when we started bringing women into the labor force because we wanted the tax base and we wanted the rapidly improved than the industrial base. And we weren't going to tell them after World War II, well, your husband's back or your son's back or whatever's back from the war. and so you don't have a job anymore. Go back to the kitchen, which is what we tried to do in the 50s, the late 40s and 50s with all of the appliances and everything else,

right, is to make the home a more attractive place for women and look at the TV programming and all that stuff that came out. But, you know, as more and more women were able to independently live, the natural conflict that's always going on between women became more and more and more of our society. Why? Because we as a nation stopped paying attention to ourselves as a civilizational people and stop trying to continue to expand and improve and build upon our civilization. We shifted everything to economics, as if the economy was the great task and great purpose of a people. Well, that disrupted everything because your civilization is the immune system against this constant, ever-present, resentful stuff, right? The eternal war. It's eternal for, reason it's always with us it's not that these things uh it's not that these things came out of the 60s necessarily because you know there was this great conspiracy to do this these things are always

there it's just they took off in the 1960s because of this transition from us as a civilizational people and that as our great purpose to we're in a big build the world's biggest gross domestic product economy it's interesting i just to bring in a little alberta here right now is we're going along. The petition for independence has begun. And if it gets enough signatures, then you're going to see a referendum on whether Alberta should remain in Canada. And the reason I point to this, as you're talking, one of the things that they highlight is the economy, what it could do if it wasn't a part of Canada, all the money. And then there's another train of thought, it's like, yeah, but it's more about than just money. Yes. There's like, what are the values of

of Albertans or Western Canadians. Yes. And that's where family and all the things that you guys are talking about really take center stage. It's, it's. And Ben Trudeau, not that either one of you has to know who that is was on, not related to Justin. And he was talking about, you know, being a part of the Quebec movement back in the 90s. And they have a real defined sense of who they are. And Alberta needs to define that real fast if it was to ever succeed because I don't, I don't know.

Curious your two thoughts, will people just be motivated, motivated by money alone? Certainly a chunk of them well. Will a group of people go out and go, we're not a part of this anymore just for money alone? Or does the identity of what you're trying to save matter more? I think you're seeing both right now. And, you know, EM can disagree with me on this one. But, you know, one of the things that I've been working on for the last couple of months on and off is trying to get a book put together talking about resilient communities because a thing

that's going to carry our society through is not going to be government it's going to be resilient communities that can operate autonomously outside of the government and sustain themselves and you're already seeing that right you're seeing a move for people you're seeing this movement's getting bigger believe or not where you're seeing people move into these communities where it's it's completely the outside of the government purview and they they live you know off the grid as much as possible i mean they're still on the grid a bit but i'm seeing more and more of that right and it's we're not there yet because you still have you still have a lot of convenience in the urban areas but once those urban areas become you know toxic wastelands people are going to have to have to adapt and there's

it's the more they make these smart cities the more i think people are going to move out of the city because you lose so much of your autonomy and so much of your freedoms just by being, you know, who wants to live in an environment that surveilled every, every, you know, 24-7, 365, every street corner, every building, every place you go, you're being surveilled. Who wants to live like that? And, you know, I think, Steve, I think that's all true. Sean, I think more to your question, when the economics becomes so serious, real, so financialized and so decoupled from anything fundamental with respect to productivity,

human productivity, human thriving, you know, when it becomes this completely fake, made-up economic financialist system, there's no room in it for people. So it's not so much that people decide to leave it. It left them. Disenfranchised, yeah. Right? We are in the United States, roughly 60% of people are on some form of assistance now. The poverty line in the United States, I can't remember who it was somebody here recently did the numbers. The poverty line in the United States now is $240,000. Then, you know, the average poverty line.

That's gone up from like 30,000, just 30 years ago. So when the system becomes so fake, the financial economic system, and becomes so fake and devoid of, you know, so devoid of anything resembling humans and humanity at all. And now they're calling for even more with robotics and AI and everything else. When you have seven companies in the U.S. stock exchanges that are holding up the entire thousands of companies on the stock markets, seven. And it's all a Ponzi. Right? The only reason these companies now don't even focus, you know, except for Tesla and what,

they're doing there. But like Apple makes more money off of its cash reserves and its investing portfolio than it does products anymore. It makes more money jiggering by stock buybacks and other mechanisms to joc their stock price up than it does on products. So it doesn't focus on product. So the point I'm getting at is this. When the economies become so devoid of any connection to human beings, to the land, to the soil, to life and living. It's not that the people leave them. It's that left humanity. And so then we're sitting here and going, okay, well, how, you know, very much to what you said, Sean, right? Then it's like, well, then what are we organizing ourselves around? What is our community? And I talk this with, I think, Halsey and Tommy this morning.

All of this started with the leverage buyout days with private equity. Private equity came in and destroyed all of these old family businesses, all these old companies, all these old corporations, banks, institutions, which is, you know, organic, healthy, human-oriented economic systems. Private equity just came in and just smashed all of that. And then that Steve's what led to, you know, you're talking about the destruction of the nuclear family, etc. Yeah, I agree with that. I was going a different direction with it, but you're, yeah, you're spot on. Right, because we used to, the economy used to actually matter to us because maybe my family had worked at the same company for three generations. And it was a lifetime employment. And we lived in the same community three houses away.

And there were other families and other people. And, you know, these relationships went back over a century. Private equity came in and destroyed all of that. only destroyed all of that, but then shifted the economy from productive labor, humans, to the financial markets. And they've done the same with healthcare now, too. And they're doing everything. So the whole system has left humanity behind. So why are we still worshiping the system? Why are we still trying to support this thing? Why do we think economic growth is going to somehow miraculously come back to where we are as human beings? It's already left us. us. It's been gone, you know, accelerating, running away from humans for 40 years.

They're, it's not just that's running away. They're architecting it out, actively architecting. Right. And openly calling for the dramatic population reduction. Why? Because they don't need us. They've created an artificial system. You know, the alchemist dream has succeeded. They didn't convert lead to gold. They were never able to do that. But through the magic of words, the alchemy of words, They've created derivatives and convinced us to believe that derivatives are real. And now that's all they need. Now they're trying to convince us that energy, you know, electricity, utilization is the basis of our economy. They're openly saying it.

As opposed to human labor and human reinvestment and human asset development. They're now telling us that the value of an asset is. how much electricity you use to mine a Bitcoin. How is that real? How does that have anything to do with humanity? How do we organize around that as a people? And again, this is because we have social, you know, sociopaths that are in charge of business,

banks, government. That's, that's, this is, this brings us back to the fact that they're completely divorced from reality to where they don't value human life. And because they don't value human life, the investment is in, the new technology and the automation. We're just slaves.

Yeah. You're just slaves. Yeah. You said that way better than I was going to say. I was going to go around that, but yeah, you can't write to the point. We're just slaves. So, you know, Sean, to your question, right? What is it?

You know, I grew up on the Canadian border, up in the mountains, right? Up in the Cascade Mountains. And in the Rockies, I used to ride my horse into British Columbia weekly. You know, what is an Albertan? See, we, first off, we're English. We're English, we're English civilizational people. So we have something that's over a thousand years old for us to fall back on as the base. And then how are we unique in that just the same as our ancestors are like,

well, yes, we're, we're the English speaking peoples, but I'm Scottish or I'm Irish or a mix in my case. So Albertans have a thing that's already a thousand years old, more than a thousand years old to fall back on. Because it's already there. It's in everything. And then okay, well then how uniquely, what kind of unique Irish or English, people are you, right? Economics is not going to do it. Economics left us in the 80s and it's never coming back to us. Their whole financialist system is so devoid and so disconnected from any of us and anything.

It's never going to reconnect. We're going to have to reorganize our own economic systems, you know, collaborative. There's a great book called In the Company of Strangers, right, about, you know, these economic systems and trust in them where people that don't even know each other from different parts of the world are doing something knowing that it's going to benefit somebody, not even them, and some other benefits going to come to them from something else, somebody else is doing somewhere. That's a real economy. And we're going to have to figure that out locally very much to what Steve's saying. And we're going to have to become self-sufficient.

We cannot organize ourselves around greater economic growth because that's totally gone already. Alberta could be worth $30 trillion in 10 years, you know, have a $5 trillion economy in five years. And you'll have 40% more people and you do now living on some kind of aid and assistance. Because you follow, you went for GDP instead of, you know, human thriving. Yeah. They want us on UBI because it makes it easier for them to control us. I mean, that's part of the game plan. And I'm convinced that, you know, I'm convinced that a lot of this push for AI has nothing to do with, well, it has everything to do with two things.

It has everything to do with bringing production back to the U.S. And I think a lot of that's in prep for a war with China because they know that's inevitable. I mean, there's no war with China. There's a war is going to be with Europe. straight up i don't disagree i'm telling you what i'm here right because i'm seeing and the thing i'm seeing is

i think a lot of this push for ai is really they know they don't have the corporate knowledge here to restart a lot of these factories they just don't we we we basically exported all of it you know decades ago so all those guys that knew how to do move steel and bend metal those guys are all gone all the guys that knew how to build ships Those guys are gone. We don't produce any of the blue collar trades, electricians, plumbers. We don't produce enough of those anymore. And I think that they think they're going to replace a lot of this with AI and automation.

And some of this is not replaceable. Full stop. So I know that there's a lot of concern across the Navy right now with the deepwater Chinese fleet. I think they're a few years away from that at best. But yeah, I see a lot of moves right now. now that are based on what they think is going to happen. And I think that's part of the problem. I think that's why we all see this cloudy future is that nobody in the leadership,

nobody in the elite circles. They don't have a vision of what they want on the other side other than control. And that's not a vision for success. That's just a vision of this is what I want. And you can't build a society off that vision. You have to have a vision for how you want society to function and operate. And it's clear they don't have that. They just, they're too narrow-minded and they're too focused on their own, their own narcissism to see the bigger picture.

I mean, it goes back to what you said earlier. They are focused on their own personal gross domestic product. So GDP isn't just at the nation level. It's also at the individual level. It's at the state level. It's in the, right? And so it's not this problem is, is that we shifted from human, you know, valuing human thriving to value. Wealth portfolios, personal wealth, collective wealth, et cetera.

But wealth is a measure of nothing, nothing that's real. We made it all up. We made up the entire financial economic system. We didn't make up life. We didn't make up human connections. We didn't make up family bonds and all of that. We inherited that. That's millions of years old.

So why are we chasing the synthetic? Right? We need a restoration and what we need a restoration of. We don't need a reset. We need a restoration of our civilization because our English civilization is what values life. Right? Is the great work that we've inherited from our ancestors that we need to pass down to the next generations. We didn't inherit an economy and we're not trying to pass on an economy.

and we're not trying to pass on an economy, get the hell out of here with that. That's the most insane inhuman concept ever. We inherited us a brilliant civilization, and we need to pass it forward. I'm terribly sorry, Sean. No, no, no, don't apologize. I just like, I guess I'll combine,

well, I don't know, I'll probably do a poor job of it, but LTC you brought up like a dark future. And then you talk about, you know, basically, you know, Chase, gross domestic product isn't really a great future of what we're handing down our kids. And I'm like, I don't know. Maybe I'm just in my small little world. No, I don't, I don't think it's going to be a dark future, Sean. I think what I'm trying to say is that their vision of the future is not going to be

successful because they don't have a clear vision of one, right? And I think that's going to, that's going to err on the side of humanity in the first place. Plus, you know, one thing I learned in Iraq that I'll never forget is the more that these you know, imams and Iatollos would come down with Sharia law and the more they tried to enforce all these different rules, the more people just close their doors and stopped paying attention. At some point, the public's going to just stop complaining. And their system won't survive that, no matter how much tech they have, they won't survive that. And, you know, I'm hopeful for a lot of things.

I see, number one, I see more emphasis on family now and more emphasis on community than I ever have in my lifetime. I'm seeing a return to, you know, Christianity or belief system that is centered around the family. And to be honest with, you can't have a resilient community without that. You have to have a moral compass. And I'm seeing more and more people moving towards a moral compass, not, you know, not a left or right thing. That's just a moral compass to say, these are the things we believe in. Like you, you said it the best. What is an Alberta? Right. What is that? What does that look like? What's your, what's your value system? What is your what system does your community and does your you know province want to live by?

I guarantee you once you define that it will be it will be immutable. It will be completely But you they won't be able to corrupt it and it's because we've seen so much corruption is why people are migrating towards that and that's why I have a lot of hope I'm not I'm not I don't think they're going to be successful no matter what they do and EM have talked to me em and I've talked about this what three four times now they don't have the they don't have the power capacity to do what they want to do it's not feasible it's not technologically or thermodynamically possible yeah they can simulate it though and they can continue to invest heavily in the simulation of its success but sean you were going to say something you're going to bring this all together well i was just to me i

live in my own little world and lTC you touch on it's like i haven't seen this many people talking about family, family values, faith, just like things that actually matter my entire life. Now I live in a bubble in fairness, right? I have a wonderful community, and yet I see it happening all over the place. And as people find out what actually matters in life, it's funny where they start going and what they stand for,

and they start to understand, like, we're not interested in this. And so it's interesting, you know, like they say, I can just hear all the, I don't even listen to it anymore, but, you know, like in the middle of COVID, they had all these terms for you if you talked openly against the narrative, right? So right now, there's this petition going on and I can see all the things going on with Albertans and calling them everything, but there's so many Albertans that don't care. You can call us, whatever you want to call. We know where we're heading and we know what we want.

And then they say, oh, there's only going to be a few people. And then the videos from the weekend, there's thousands of people showing up. And you can imagine how cold. Well, I mean, I tell you what, today it is gorgeous outside. Even for you to living where you live, it was like plus six here, I think on the way here. Everything's melting. That'll last and then it'll be miserable. But like a couple nights ago, you know, it's cold.

People are sitting in the, you know, standing hours in line to sign something. That's where we're at. And I just go, yeah, I think there's a this, this turn from everything they're trying to push in the narratives. Nobody cares anymore. Well, they know what they want. They're going to try and push for it. Now, does it succeed? I can't give a, I have no idea.

Well, remember, they have to deploy all assets to tell you you're alone and you're isolated in your belief system and nobody else believes what you believe. So you might as well just give up and heaven forbid you question the narrative. Don't question the narrative. Don't critically think. My God, and whatever you do, don't stand up for your rights. Just sit back and let the government take care of you because they've done such a good job. That's the game, right?

And what you're seeing is people going, I've had enough of that. It's time to start throat punching bitches. Gentlemen, I'm going to leave it right there. It's time to start throw punching. EMLTC, thanks for doing this. And, well, I don't know, 2026. It's off to a lightning pace.

I don't see it slowing down anytime soon. Gentlemen, thanks for hopping on and doing this. Appreciate it, Sean.