Shaun Newman Podcast - #986 - Rod Giltaca

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

Rod Giltaca is a Canadian entrepreneur, firearms advocate, and media personality, serving as the CEO and Executive Director of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights (CCFR), Canada's leading gun rights organization. He hosts and produces CCFR Radio - On The Air on WildTV. We discuss that the Canadian federal government announced key next steps in its national Assault-Style Firearms Compensation Program (often referred to as the gun buyback program) on Saturday, January 17, 2026 and what this means for gun owners. Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Prophet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] the code “SNP” on all ordersGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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All right. Let's get on to that. of the tape. Today's guest is the CEO and executive director of the CCFR. I'm talking about Rod Giltaka. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Rodgilltaka.

Rod, thanks for hopping back on. Thanks for having me, Sean. Well, I mean, I was just, we just did the top 25, if I rewind the clock of 2025. And you and Chuck Prodnick together when you're, were here for, you know, shooting guns out at the range and you, you stopped into Profit Rivers Customer Appreciation Day. And that, that episode, you know, got a ton of people, a ton of traction, a ton of eyes on it. And, you know, I was just telling you, we were at the Mashpiel over the weekend and, and the shout out to everybody who, you know, we had people come from as far as Vancouver.

And then we had people drive from all across Saskatchewan to come curl and, uh, Rod, I'm not a curler. but it was a lot of fun. And, you know, while we're there, somebody shows me the post about the gun buyback program and I'm like, well, when I get out of this day and worrying about, you know,

which way I'm coming and going and trying to throw a rock straight and weight and all the things, and I probably butchered that some to the curlers, I was like, I got to reach out to Rod and let the people know what is going on. So Rod, I appreciate you coming back on.

you know, like answering a text and be like, yeah, I can make that work because this has been a short turnaround. But walk me through what is going on here in Canada. So the liberal government, I guess if we're going to pick up at this point in the story rather than tell the whole history, which could be a long story, the government has decided they're going to roll out this buyback nationally. And there's a number of reasons. Sorry, this is before, I should never interrupt. But this is off of them doing the Cape Britain thing where they were hoping they were going to get 200 guns. They only got 25.

You got Gary Ananda Sandegri coming out with the recorded audio. Everything. Everything is going on. They're like, you know what? It's time to roll it out officially across province. It's been such a miserable failure. Why not put that misery on all of Canada? Carry on.

Yeah. Well, that's exactly where I was going, right? They blow themselves up in Cape Breton. and just so people know the numbers behind that, because that's kind of interesting in itself, right? So in the jurisdiction of that buyback pilot project, were 3,100 licensed gun owners, and who even knows how many firearms

that were previously restricted and non-restricted that are now prohibited because of these bans, and they get 25 guns from 16 people. And they say it's 16 people, but interestingly enough, I spoke to a guy, and I think between him and his, wife, they handed in five or six. So I don't know if those are even, if the numbers are even as high as they actually were. So anyway, they, they completely fail. They like this government, it's like,

it's like talking to a psychopath, right? It's just a stream of nonstop lies and it never ends. So they're like, oh, we learned a bunch of lessons about how about the process by interacting with these 16 people. now we're going to roll it out to 2.4 million across the entire country of Canada, right? Like, I don't know how any private business would be like, yeah, we ran our pilot. We had eight people show up. We're good to go. You know, now we're going to administrate this three quarters of a billion dollar program now based on our experience over six weeks in Cape Breton. On half of Cape Breton, by the way.

So it's outrageous. It's absurd. But this is what we've come to, I guess, expect from these people that have commandeered, the Liberal Party for the last 11 years and it's just this is our new reality I guess. If I'm doing my math correct and please correct me, if only 16 people out of 3,100 gun owners participated, that is like 0.5 of a percent, correct? I can't do that math in my head, man. But yeah, it's a low number. How about that? We can agree on that. I mean, yeah, okay. So what can we expect from this, right?

Like, I mean, I look at that number and I go, isn't that what they're going to see across Canada? They're not going to see people flocking to do this. Like, I mean, Alberta's come out saying we won't enforce, I believe Saskatchewan said roughly the same thing. What does it mean for Canadians then? Well, that's an intricate story, right? This is the way that this program has come about is quite a twisted political tale, right? And even if you only go back a few months, we have Gary Anandesangery, who is currently the Minister of Public Safety. He was caught on leaked audio that the CCFR leaked to the mainstream media, and they ran with it.

We'll give them the benefit of the doubt. We'll give them some credit where credit is due, because that's only fair. They ran with it and it was in the new cycle for more than two weeks, which is actually quite remarkable. But he came out and he said when he thought no one was listening, don't ask me to explain the logic behind this program, basically saying it's ridiculous. It serves no actual purpose other than political. And number two, he said this is basic, and I'm paraphrasing him, this is for votes in Quebec. We promised it and the gun control is a big thing in Quebec and the electorate is expecting this. So as cynical as a political exercise as you would imagine this is, it is this in reality. And interestingly enough, I was just on the Evan Bray show. Evan Bray used to be the chief of police, I think, in Regina.

And I think he was the past president of the Canadian Chiefs of Police Association, Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police. And we talked about it. And even he's just like, this is, this is craziness. Like, yeah, it really is. And he said, well, it's interesting that they did this on a Saturday. And I'm like, well, how it works in Ottawa is when you have news that is probably going to be unpopular, but you've got to come out with it anyway, you do it on a Friday or a Saturday because

the Friday, if you come out with it on a Friday, the news cycle is already full, you know, coming up to the end of the week. And if you do it on a Saturday, there's only a skeleton crew in the newsrooms. So usually if you want things to fly under the radar, do it on Friday or Saturday. So they're even ashamed of this program, but they're moving forward. I, yeah. Well, from where I sit, Rod, and the amount of time I've been staring at the news cycle, when it's really bad news, it's Friday afternoon because you're exactly right.

You're hoping the weekend. Everybody kind of forgets about it. As you pointed out, the news cycle is already full. And you know, think of the mashup, folks. We can't get to, like sometimes Tuesday is just ramming in things on a Friday because they're starting to draw. and they're hoping it just fades into the oblivion over the weekend. I'm trying to rack my brain the last time. And I know some people are going to text me now.

But I'm like, when was the last time you remember something dropping on a Saturday? That's almost unheard of. That is like the worst of the possible worst. They don't want anybody to see it. As Rod, you've pointed out. But I'm like, I didn't even know things dropped on Saturday if I'm being honest. Like, I'm like, this is new? We're all sitting around the Mashbill going,

what the heck is this? Is this, is this legit? Right? Then I'm watching yours and Tracy's feet and I'm like, this is legit. Oh my God. Okay. Um, well, gun. No, fire. Well, and actually there was two things going on there, Sean. Number one, you're trying to squeak out this program. And remember, right, this is a three-quarter of a billion dollar program that is wasteful, ineffective and wildly divisive. Right. Like, this is, this is a, I mean, this thing is a hand grenade with the pin pulled and everybody's tossing it around, right? It has been for six, six years. But it also comes right on the heels of the federal court of appeals, you know, reinforcing that the government improperly invoked the Emergencies Act and freeze bank accounts and put people in jail and did all that stuff. You know, the government appealed that decision from the lower court from the federal court.

And the appeals court, like they're a court of, you know, these judges, this is a tribunal for one, right, three judges. And these are the high achievers in the judicial system. And they're like, no, you did not have the justification to do this. This is the old war measures act, right? There was no war happening. And, and so what do they do when they get panicky when they got when they got bad news and they want a channel changer? They break the glass and they pull out gun control. That has happened so many times, Sean. Like, it's. It's dozens of times since I've been doing this for the last 10 and a half years. So that was another part of it too. Could you definitely I fully understand what you're saying about trying to, holy crap, we got a bad one here. Let's change the channel, break the glass. When you're sitting in your role and you say this has happened multiple times,

I don't mean to dig into your memory too far because I don't want to put you on the spot, but I guess I will. What other times have they pulled out gun control when they want to change the channel? Well, I can't quote you exactly because that is really reaching into the archives because, you know, I'm not really an exceptional person. So I can only handle so much information coming in and being able to regurgitate at any given time. But things were really active in the Trudeau era, right? So he had scandals, what, every three months for a decade. Probably every two weeks for a decade.

And there were so many times when we would do our TV show or the podcast or even just do videos, update videos that were like, here's the channel changer yet again. Right. So it's they do it often. And gun control, what it does is it's, I mean, I don't think I'm, I don't think I'm really saying anything too controversial. And I don't think I'm really alerting anyone to some, you know, some technique they're not aware of. But there are a certain, um, uh, profile of voter in Canada that all you need to do. to distract them is just kind of wave something shiny and they just look and they're just shiny look shiny and that's what gun control has always been and it's because it's a wedge issue right so when they're really scared especially in an election cycle if you remember i'll give you an example two election cycles ago one of the biggest um issues that the the liberals were pushing forward was and i'll give you the tagline that they kept repeating all the time they complain about pierre polyev in slogans, right? But they're like, conservatives want to weaken gun control. Liberals want to strengthen it. And Trudeau would stand in front of a podium with an outline of an AR-15 there

talking about assault weapons and all the rest of this stuff and death and kill as many people in the shortest amount of time and all this stuff. And you know, interestingly enough, we were involved in that election, of course. And if you looked at the election polling, there were numerous polling companies that were like what are the top issues the Canadians are concerned about and most of them did 10 to 13 issues not once did gun control appear it was like climate change the economy affordability you know crime you know all these things all the way down to some of the most trivial matters i mean for me as a voter and never did gun control come up there but they're like trudeau is polarizing

He's destroyed the country. He still wants to run. We can't get him out. We've got to run them. Bring out gun control. Scare them with the silhouette of the AR-15. So that was one example I can give you for sure. I guess then the only thing I want to draw back,

it's pulling it off gun control for a second. That is big news about the courts, right? We talked about that on the weekend. And as you bring that up, I'm like, that is big news, right? They lost the appeal, which, I mean, Kind of doesn't shock me because I've got my own thoughts on the on the courts and and some of the things that have gone on in there. But what was the word, Rod?

Do you do you recall the word that the court came out saying, was it unjustified? Yeah, they weren't justified in invoking the act. And I haven't, I haven't, I've been busy with other news, right? Because I have responsibilities. But if you look at the timing, it's just like that just came out. I think, I don't know, Wednesday or something. So right away, they're like, cobble something together. We've got to launch this program.

Get people talking about gun control again. Because, you know, there's a couple of issues. And we're not here to talk about the Emergencies Act, right? But number one, the government did something illegal and it was atrocious. I think anybody that's maybe even wasn't sure what side of this issue they were on back then, probably understand it now. Right. And then the other thing is whether or not they're going to be held accountable.

Because I think most people in the political center, like, I'm a centerist, right? It's pretty funny because I just get called far right because that's the only label that people can throw on me to try to get people not to listen to common sense. But, you know, the people in the center or the right are going to be like, okay, well, what's going to happen? And that's an issue, right? Because the truth is, nothing. These people can literally invoke the War Measures Act, literally put people in jail for three, four, five months. on mischief charges while literal murderers that were caught at the scene make bail, freezing people's account, have some crazy fidgety jitterbug laughing about it in a press

conference like it's funny. Marco Mendocino at the time, the Minister of Public Safety, joking about bringing in tanks to deal with the convoy and no one is going to pay a price for it. Like that's a big issue, right? So it's not even so much the verdict. It's everything that's implied, I think, is what they're really concerned about. But I don't know. And you've been around, right, for the last 11 years, John. It's, it's, it's pretty common for people to get in the political class in Canada and the ruling class to get away with this level of malevolence. Yeah, the ethics violations, once you realize there's, there's no, even if it's criminal to us, right? If we were to do the same things in our everyday life, once you realize there's,

there's really nothing to that, there's no teeth, it's almost laughable. And then you, you just see it happening over and over again. And it starts to make sense of like, there's nothing going to come of this, which is, which is a really sad day, right? As a guy watching it, as an audience, you know, I'm sure members driving around today, listening to this, you start to understand the political class. There's not a whole, well, I shouldn't say there isn't anything that can be done. Like when it comes to what we're talking about here with the emergencies acts, like, is anything going to come to that? I mean, if you're looking for criminal jail time, loss of office, I don't know.

I'm just trying to think of like what you'd expect, like removal. Like I, you know, I mean, Christia Freeland is, you know, is gone. And, you know, do we assume they're going to round her up and lock her up? No. I mean, I think that, right, I got Rod laughing right now because we, We both know that's a no. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know what that would look like, but in a truly just society, there would be some kind of consequences to that and something meaningful to where other politicians and other parties would be like, I'm not doing that. Like at the end of the day, it's really that simple. There has to be some kind of consequence where politicians, when they're confronted with the opportunity or a juncture in their career where they have to be some kind of consequence where They have to make a decision on how to react to something, goes, here are all my options. And these two, I'm not doing those.

Look what happened to the liberals. You know, maybe their party gets dissolved. They lose official party, you know, they're banned from the parliament or somebody's held accountable with charges. I mean, I, you know, people get angry and they say all kinds of things. And it takes a, and I'm probably one of those people, but I put a lot of effort into not doing that, certainly not in public. But if I did allow myself a little bit of latitude, I would like to see people go to jail for that because people went to jail for mischief. I don't know that that had ever happened before in Canadian history. I don't know, but for mischief. So for invoking inappropriately invoking the War Measures Act now called the Emergencies Act, I would think a little jail time would be good.

Criminal record would be good. And a banning from political office anywhere in the country would be good. And I think that would actually be fair. You know, that's not overstepping either, I don't think. And it would be a shot across a bow. Yeah. All politicians of like, maybe think long and hard before you do something really stupid. Like really stupid folks. Instead, we'll wait and see.

Going back to the guns. Okay. If I'm sitting here in Alberta, Saskatchewan, BC, take your pick. I got, you know, I don't care. Any province. What can you expect in the coming weeks and months from this being rolled out on Saturday? Okay, so I'm going to rattle a bunch of things off. So, you know, if we want all the information.

Sure. Okay. So as you know, there's somewhere shy of 3,000 models of firearms that were previously restricted, only a handful of them, and then all of the rest, previously non-restricted, that are now prohibited. So that's what the government can. considers machine guns, right? They're the, they're prohibits. Like if you had a, you know, M240 machine gun, you know, squad automatic weapon, that's what these firearms are classified as in the

eyes of the law, meaning that if you're caught with these without some kind of lawful excuse, you're probably going to jail. You'll be prosecuted for a criminal offense, a weapons charge, among other charges. And your life will pretty much be destroyed if you're a law-abiding citizen, right, somebody that needs to be bonded or needs to travel or needs to pass a background check to be the coach of your kids, you know, football or baseball team, right? Like criminal charges for good people are life destroying. For criminals, it's like add to the list, you know, this is, these are bragging rights. So that's how these firearms are classified. So the federal government, um, day before yesterday, rolls out this buyback program. Now everyone is protected from prosecution because of an amnesty. That, amnesty ends October 31st this year. So when that amnesty ends, if you have not deactivated your firearm, got paid for it or handed it in for free, we're going to get to those things because there's some important information there. If you get caught with that thing, you're going to jail. Like your life's over. Now, here's the background numbers. I'm going to try to make this as

organized so people can kind of load it into RAM the best they can. We think all of these newly prohibited firearms that were previously non-restricted, there's about over two million of them because we did our own little research project. I did it. So we think there's around two million or more of these things in circulation in Canada. The government told us directly in a technical briefing with public safety, they said, this is a $742 million program. This includes all the compensation for the firearms and all the admin costs. And you know what admin costs are. right? So for a $100,000 mobile app, it costs $70 million, right, when it comes to the government. So all the admin costs are included. And so I heard that because I was in this technical briefing and

we were allowed to ask questions. So when the questions came to me, I was the only troublemaker there for some reason. And I was like, okay, well, this doesn't make sense. How many guns are you guys planning to buy. And they said 152,000. Like there was a, you know, it wasn't a round number, but it was 152,000 approximately. And I went, that's a weird number. There's, there's 90,000 ARs, like 87,000 AR 15s in Canada, right? They're restricted firearms. So that's not even touching. They're non-restricted. And public safety, the guy's name is Talal Dackelbob, and a very, very intelligent individual, I will tell you. Diabolical. in fact. So I, he says, oh, I can tell you how many restricted firearms. There's 126,000 of them.

And I said, well, you're getting those back because those are registered. And I'm like 152 minus 126. I'm like, you're only budgeting for 26,000 previously non-restricted firearms that are now prohibited out of over two million in circulation. And he's like, yeah, we're pretty confident that number. I'm like, well, what basically, and I'm paraphrasing myself, right? But I'm like, well, what happens when you paid for the 26,000? It's like, it's a capped program. And no one's going to know whether they're in that little tiny group that's going to get paid until you actually tell the government what you have, until you disclose everything that you're,

you're wanting to get paid for. You know, it's all those firearms are going to be added to a registry. And I'm like, and I said to them, you know, I'm not saying it's you guys. you're doing what you're told to do, but that's diabolical. So, and they're like, no, that's, that's what the program is. So, and here's the question that all Canadians should be asking. And we'll talk about the media after, but we've been, you know, screaming from the rooftops for the media to be asking these questions. Number one, you guys promised to pay for all these guns for six years straight. I remember, like it was two days ago, when Bill Blair and Freeland and Trudeau and, and

and what's his name, Lightbound, Joel Lightbound, and there were some others. I think Lamedi might have been there. They're all like, okay, these guns are just too dangerous. They just can't be in our communities because people are dying left and right. They're guns designed for soldiers to kill other soldiers. But you guys, you gun owners, you didn't do anything to deserve this. You shouldn't have to pay out of your pockets for our policy choices. Again, I'm paraphrasing them.

So we are going to give you full and fair compensation at the first available opportunity. Fast forward over half a decade later, they're rushing to roll this program out to take the heat off themselves after a failed pilot, take the heat off themselves from this ruling of the Emergencies Act, and they're going to rip basically 99% of people. If everybody participated and disclosed their guns and said, I'm in line for compensation,

they're looking to basically rip everybody off. So here's the question. if this was truly such an urgent matter of public safety, if these guns are so dangerous, they just can't be in our communities, why wouldn't you just pay everybody? Why would you put on the website that you have to declare before you know you're getting paid

and compensation is not guaranteed? It would say flat out, you know, we are, we want everyone to participate in this program. Compensation is guaranteed at full value. That's what, they would do if this is really about public safety. But it's not. They go in this technical briefing. They tell Canada's gun lobby, which is the CCFR, we have an enormous social media platform.

They tell the CCFR telling me directly, we're going to rip everybody off, knowing full well, I'm going to run to the community. And that word is going to make it around to every corner of this country, that if you participate in this, you're going to get ripped off. So what happens? people don't participate. Why do they not want people to participate? I don't know. It's not that they don't have the money. They're printing money like crazy for, you know,

gender neutral farming in Nigeria. Like, I'm not even joking. That's an actual program or close to it, right? Like we've seen all these floating around, right? All these crazy amounts of money going everywhere. But why would they want no one to participate? And you saw it in real life in Cape Breton. Nobody participated.

And they won't even talk. they won't even talk about the guns that got turned in. What if they weren't even prohibits? Whatever, there's some old rusty double barrel shotguns from somebody's attic that were turned in. We don't know. So it's, you got to wonder, why wouldn't they just pay them? And I know I've been talking a while, but just let me add this.

If this was really about public safety, Ananda Sangri and Carney and the rest of these monsters would have come out and said, listen, we know this is at a time. when Canadians can least afford it. We know Canadians are having taxes extracted from them, excuse me, to the tune of $4.1 billion a month just to pay the interest on the national debt at this point. $55 billion a year in interest only. I know we can't afford it, but we got to, we got to do this. It's going to cost $5.5 billion. That's the bad news, everyone. Ripped the Band-Aid off. We got to get this done because this is going to cost Canadian's lives if we don't. And we're just going to pay these people because none of this is their fault.

They haven't done anything but comply 100% with the law. This is just the right thing to do. And I think if they had done that, their elbows up voters would have accepted it. Right? Because they're like, you can print money. There's no consequences at all. Right? And they would have accepted that.

But they didn't. And in fact, it's the last thing I'll say. I'm sorry for boring you, Sean. You're not boring me. If you should know this by now, you don't have to apologize for talking. It's a podcast. Keep going. Right. So then on Saturday, it's not 52, 152,000 guns anymore.

They lowered it to 138. They made it even worse, Sean. They're going to rip even more people off. They're making sure that they're telegraphing to all gun owners. Don't even bother even telling us what you have. You're not getting paid. And the media, it's started, we've probably sent out four or five, including two media advisories with full essays, you know, like citations, like where this information comes from.

We couldn't get any traction telling this story in particular, which is the biggest scandal. This should be one of the biggest scandals in the last 10 years and got no traction at all. But now this latest thing, I have been getting some traction. But yeah, this should be the biggest story in the country right now. Why wouldn't they just pay so that everybody participated? I don't know. Yeah, no, I, you're like, I'm talking too much. I'm sitting here stewing on this.

Because like when you said it was 26,000 out of 2 million, that's one point, I think it was 1.3% is what they're budgeting for. Now when you lower that, I'm like, okay, let's just do the numbers off. Cape Britain on how many people actually participated. And if you put the 0.5% of a percent on it, it's 10,000 guns. That's what they're expecting to pay back roughly. I mean, obviously that number could be a little higher, folks. I'm just doing rough math here as Rod's talking. They're expecting nobody to participate and therefore they're going to pay even, you know, they're not going to give any added incentive to participate. So they're expecting this law to go through or all these things to go through

and then create a bunch of possibilities of illegal gun violence. Yeah, it's really. You probably know the answer to this. But like, you know, in gun violence in Canada, how small of a percentage is it legal firearms owners? Well, it's very small. It's interesting because stat can says that they don't keep numbers on all that. But there have been numbers circulating. They don't keep numbers on that? No. And I testified to both the House committee for C71, C21, plus, you know, done a fair bit of lobbying as well. And I've asked for that. I've asked for a couple of things. I'm like, we're the stinking gun lobby man. And we want you. you to determine how many licensed gun owners are involved in criminal activity versus non,

non licensed gun owners. Like, I even want that information because if that information is crazy, like licensed gun owners are 70% yeah, no kidding. Yeah, right? It's a huge number. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, because I would just be like, I'm on the wrong side and I would switch sides because I don't want people hurt. But anyway, they, but they're for some reason, they'll, they'll gather all kinds of other numbers, but not those. Well, doesn't that tell you the entire story? It does tell you, Sean. And this is why I'm still running the gun lobby man, right? Because if I thought I was wrong, I wouldn't do it. I got kids. I want to say for Canada too, right? So it's just, you know. Safe for Canada and force the bloody loss. I mean, it's pretty simple. Yeah. I mean, all this stuff,

we, we try and do mental gymnastics to try and figure out what they're doing. If, if I'm just taking a 10,000 foot view, Rod, I go, okay, so why would you not pay everyone and make it so they don't hand in their firearms? Because you'll create illegal firearms owners. And as the country becomes more violent, which it is, and it's becoming more dangerous, which it is, there's the possibility that you will see something happen where once upon a time it's a legal firearm owner using a legal firearm, but now they can brand it as, oh, hope they had illegal firearms, more gun confiscation, even though they can't show the statistics, because if they were to do that right now, we'd all look at it and go, and why are we doing this? But I mean, isn't that what we saw

through COVID folks? Statistics didn't make any sense. This certainly makes less and less sense as you're talking, which, as I've known you, Rod, we've been having this chat. now for, I don't know how many years have been, two at least, if not three. And the longer it goes on, I mean, it doesn't make sense from a common sense standpoint. Because everything you said, well, if you really wanted people to, you just come on and say, we'll pay you. It's you're not your fault. But have we seen anything like that out of our government?

No. Full stop. No. Well, they really want compliance. Here's what you do. Because the thing is, the compensation that they have is actually all over the place. You have some guns that are worth, you know, 1,200. they're paying $600.

You have some guns that are worth $900, they're paying $1,100. Like, it's really weird. It's all over the place, right? But remember, when I bought a gun, like I'm out probably $30,000 because I used to own a training company and I'm whatever. Like, this was a big part of my life.

So I'm going to get ripped off for $30,000. But weight, it gets worse because you have magazines, you have attachments and grips and lights and all the rest of this stuff. Now, some of that stuff can go on to other guns. you know, some lever action or whatever that I would buy, right? But, but nonetheless, there's a lot of stuff that can't. And I'll give you an example. And this example was given to me from by Bob Freeberg. He's the commissioner of the Saskatchewan firearms office. He said, look at 50-Cal rifles. Number one, a 50-caliber rifle has never been used once in a criminal act in the history of Canada. But they are all

banned, right? Because these are assault weapons, like 26-pound assault weapons that you're running around on the street, you know, in gang activity apparently, you know. But anyway, nonetheless, of course, the whole thing's ridiculous. But 50 cow rounds, right? One piece of ammunition, they're like $15 each. And people that shoot 50 cows either invest, they buy bulk because it's so expensive. They can't afford to buy like a, you know, a box of 20 or box of five or whatever they come in. I don't have a 50 cal. But you could be sitting on $10,000 of ammunition. You're not getting paid for any of it. You can be sitting on, you can be sitting on, $150 magazines because this is specialized stuff.

You're not getting paid for any of that stuff. You're not getting paid the taxes on your $9,000 rifle that you bought, which is probably $1,500. So if you really wanted this to happen, you'd be like you'd go right back to what Trudeau said. We, you know, law-binding gun owners, you haven't done anything. We're going to make you whole.

So what we're going to do is come up with a receipt or we're going to find out exactly what this firearms worth. You're getting that money back. You're getting PST and GST back. And you're getting an allowance for the ammunition and magazines too. And so for each gun, we're going to give you $300. And people would be lining up, at least some portion of the community would be lining up going, I could, I've been laid off for, you know, coming up a year.

I could really use this, whatever, right, $4,000, $4,500 that I'm going to get. And that might be the difference between someone paying their mortgage or not. give them a reason to comply, but all they've done is create the most virulent reasons to not comply. And I just said this on the Evan Bray show just before we got on. The problem with that is you have a lot of people that are angry. A lot of guys that maybe don't think that far ahead. And they're going to be like, they're not getting nothing. And I get that.

Don't think that that's not running through my head all day long. But God forbid you get a break in. and somebody's coming in, they're breaking into your house, you're going to protect your family, you grab the first gun you got, and it's now a prohibit. And God forbid you shoot somebody with it. You are going to jail for the rest of your days, right? Because the government doesn't like self-defense, and now you did it with a machine gun, a prohibit, assault weapon. So you're really going to get it. What if you have a house fire? What if you have a break in? I think it gets worse than that. Maybe you can enlighten me, maybe I'm wrong on my,

my train of thinking. Somebody breaks into your house. You grab a legal firearm because you're thoughtful in this and you put away the ones that that aren't in that realm, right, but you haven't done the buyback program because you're in Alberta and Daniel Smith come out and say, we're not going to participate in this, whatever. And you do shoot somebody. There's going to be a full investigation and they're going to search your house from top to bottom because they're not just going to walk in and go, oh, that's it. Oh, we're not going to look anywhere. else and what are they going to find? A bunch of illegal firearms. I can read the headline. It types itself in this country. And you could find yourself in a realm of hurt just by protecting

yourself. And like, Ron, I guess, you know, I hate speculating too much, but heck, that's what I'm going to do this morning, folks, because I'm just trying to build myself a pitcher on this side. Is the country becoming more dangerous? I think we can all answer yes. So you go, Oh, I will never get my house broken into. I mean, we just had a guy at the Mash Spiel that had a shooting down from his house. I forget what the timeline was, Glenn. Apologies. Was it three weeks ago?

Was it two months ago? Regardless. It's a shooting. And now some people say it's BC. Sure. Regardless. I just had a family member before Christmas have a break and enter in the middle of the day. And then they came back and shot at his truck.

That was just before Christmas. So that's now in Saskatchewan, okay? Just to give comparison, I would argue the country is becoming more dangerous. So then you go, okay, liberals, you're doing things that don't make sense. Let's try and make them make sense. Who are the gun owners? Conservative-minded folk, I would argue. I would say that I don't typically think a bunch of liberals are going and buying guns.

and so you go, okay, so they're going after conservatives. Where are they? I would argue there are a ton. Maybe Rod, you can steer me away from this thought. I would say there are a ton of rural folk. They vote conservative. And then right now they're upset with their government. I think that has been very clear.

I don't know where the percentages go with gun owners. Your, your two million, forgive me, I don't know if it's two million. How many law-abiding gun owners are there in Canada? Just over 2.4 million. And where does the majority of the 2.4 reside? There are a lot in Ontario and Quebec. But, you know, if you think there's over 40 million people in this country, we're a pretty drastic minority.

It just seems like it's setting the table for something bad to happen when bad things are already happening. So they can frame it a certain way. I don't know. That's me, maybe oversimplified. buying it, but it doesn't make any sense, right? You said 10 years ago they're going to pay everyone. Now they're like, well, they're going to rip everybody off and they know nobody's going to comply. What does that make us all? A bunch of illegal gun owners.

A bunch of criminals. As violence is on the rise. Yeah. And we're all seeing it. And so the probability of something happening sooner than later just goes up. Like it just, it annoys me immensely. It really does. And don't forget, law enforcement agencies across the country, including actual provinces, are begging the feds to not do this. Right? They're begging the feds. And it's funny because I appear in these committees on the hill.

And I have liberal politicians going like, don't you want us to law enforcement want this? Don't you want us to listen to law enforcement? I'm like, law enforcement are telling you not to do it. the odd law enforcement person that gets on their side, of course, they're going to give them publicity, right? Because there are, there are, law enforcement is just like any other industry. You have the majority of people are probably pretty good. Well, the majority of the people are in the middle. You have another group of people that are pretty good and you have people that have no business being in law enforcement. And those people will get pushed out front because they're like, yeah, whatever, whatever we can get as far as control over the population will take.

So overwhelmingly, law enforcement is against this program because there's not enough police resources as it is to deal with the crime that we're doing. And you know, you can say what you're doing is speculation, but you're just trying to make it make sense. And things line up, you know, they line up that way. And I've said on other interviews, I said, what the government is doing is they're putting gun owners in an untenable situation. they're like, give your stuff to us because we're playing politics with you. Because remember, Gary and Anders Sanger, he said in leaked audio when he thought no one was listening that this is entirely for votes in Quebec. Well, I shouldn't say entirely. He said it's for votes in Quebec.

Because you win Quebec, you run Canada. So that's what this exercise is over. And I will put a label on all those people you're talking about just now, which is people that are unlikely to vote liberal. that's who they're at war with. They don't care what happens to people who are unlikely to vote liberal, and those are gun owners. There's a handful of liberal gun owners out there for sure, who are,

I wouldn't want to be one of those people because they're highly conflicted right now. They're like, what do I do? But, you know, this is an assault on people that would naturally vote conservative. And so they don't care. We're not going to vote for them anyway. Like this is where politics is, not just on guns, but in all kinds of different areas of our society. right now. This is where politics, this is modern Canadian, modern global politics was what you're

seeing right now. You mentioned before we started having a strange relationship with the media, because the media should play a big role in this, right? Exposing it, just like literally lighten up every single politician of like, what is going on here? Why are you doing this? Because we have seen when the pressure mounts, things stop or get delayed or, you know, on and on. the media, Rod, your thoughts? Well, the situation with us as an organization, excuse me, is that the CCFR gets more mainstream media than any gun lobby organization ever has in Canadian history.

And I'm grateful for that. But the amount of media that we get is about, I don't know, 5% of what anti-gun groups get. it's still almost nothing in comparison. You know, when something big happens in guns, we'll get 20 interviews. But the anti-gun people, they're going all day, all night for three, four days.

And then the anti-gun people will get opportunities even when nothing's going on, right? Like this is because we do this for a living, right? I watch this stuff. So I am grateful for the access that we get, though it's a fraction of what the other side of this conversation gets. But I don't think I need a time. tell anybody that when the federal government is dealing with a business model that is collapsing,

which is mainstream media in Canada and in countries around the world because of the internet and social media and all kinds of other influences and their own bloated mismanagement, probably, right? I don't know that, but I can assume. When the government starts making sure that the only reason that these companies stay afloat, the only reason that these reporters or people in these companies have a job is only because of the federal subsidy. When the management of those companies say, what we're bringing in basically covers our cost. The only profit that we have are the subsidies. When you put media in a position like that, the idea that a conservative government would gain a minority or majority government in this country is an existential threat

to these workers and to these companies. Full stop. I allow the conservatives to get in. I'm out of a job. My career's over. That is the situation that the government has put the media in. And I see it because when all this happened, when we had that technical briefing that I mentioned,

I guess what is it? I don't know, three months ago now, for it the most. I just couldn't believe what I was hearing. I did an essay. I'm like, this should be the biggest story in the country. They want to use the criminal code to criminalize a million Canadians, steal their property, and they're doing it in the open. They're doing it overtly. Like, this should be a big story. I never had one media, mainstream media outlet come back to me going like, this is really interesting. Is this true? You know, you're the gun lobby. You're probably lying. I'd be like, no, here's the information. Not one.

We did it again, I don't know, six weeks later, not one. Not one. You'd imagine like go go look at the, get on X and look at your, your news feed. Look at all the stuff that the mainstream media are talking about. You know, like local dog gets hit by car. You know what I mean? Like the, and, but there's no room in the news cycle for something like this, like a multi-billion dollar rip off of good law-abiding, taxpaying, contributing Canadians.

So anyway, we're getting a little bit of play now because they just can't ignore it anymore because Gary went on. He even lowered the limit, right? But some of the experiences, one day I'm going to write a book of, you know, my time in the gun lobby in Canada. But some of the experiences I've had with mainstream media just would their mind bending that things like this actually happen. Which reminds me, if you don't have a membership with the CCFR, you really should. because I keep every time I talk to you I just think if there's 2 million gun owners

in Canada that's a big like don't get me wrong in the in the grand scheme of Canada 40 million fair enough it's a small number but in the world of politics 2 million motivated people

that is a big number and if you're sitting there listening this and you're a gun owner you should probably just pause and go to CCFR and buy a membership because numbers in politics matter. And when you're discombobulated, you're not all a unit.

Things like this are happening. And I don't know where it goes, Rod. I can sit and do mental math here this morning and see, I think, where it's heading, whether I'm right or wrong, you know, full stop. I'm just trying to see where the tea leaves are leading us. Doesn't look like anywhere good. And you just appreciate you hop it on and telling us about it. Because like, you know, on the weekend, it was big talking point.

You can imagine there were some gun owners at the Mashvale. Yeah. You know, someday when we, when all this is behind us, how about that, we'll talk about some of the experiences that I've had with the mainstream media. And the level of collusion between the media and the media. the Liberal Party of Canada will, yeah, your head will be spinning when you hear some of the stuff. It's, it's really wild, but that's, that's for another time. But I, I tell you what, what I want you to do then is I want you to write them down. I don't, not in full, just write down.

And then I want you to text me and be like, all right, I got like 15 or 10 or 5 or 2. It doesn't matter me. And we'll do this again. We'll do it real soon because I think I'd be interested to hear that. But I want to make sure I don't put you on the spot and you're like, well, there's like six or seven. I want you to go off and think about it and come back to me and be like, all right, I got your six or seven and I can hear the kids. I can't believe I just said that. Six, seven. Anyways, I can't believe I just did that, but my kids are beating it in my head. However many you got, let's sit down and let's do it. Because I think I'd be really interested, and I think there'd be a ton of the audience. I'd be really interested to hear it, Rod.

Yeah, for sure. It's I the the mainstream media in Canada is just it's it's it's it's a wild animal and I I I I mean they tell everyone else that they're spreading misinformation all the time and they you know people like you and I we can't they we cannot be taken seriously or listened to because of the misinformation and they are the biggest spreaders of misinformation that you can imagine and and in in in lockstep with the political system in Canada and it's a I think that would be a really interesting conversation. Yeah, you call. I call them a wild animal. I call them a healed animal or a trained animal, right? Like to me, they're just doing what they've done, right? Like we saw it here in the last, haven't we folks? Last five years, let alone the last 10 years. And I bet you there's some people driving around going last 10 years. This is the way it's been all my life. And there are some days way back when where you had some pretty incredible journalists. I just think of Byron Christopher, who's been on the show a couple times. And actually, actually he got brought up this weekend. And yes, folks, I'm working on getting them in the studio. But they're few and far between the old Byron's. But yeah, I would love to do that.

Honestly, we'll have you back, Rod. And we can really delve into that because I'd be really interested to hear some of the experiences and some of the thoughts you have on that. Yeah. But appreciate you coming on and doing this. And well, just keep doing what you're doing. I mean, anytime you're on, it seems like there's just stuff going on. And you got an excellent mind for it. So thanks again for hopping on. And I promise. If you

text me and are like, all right, I got it figured out. We'll put you on. That's awesome. I appreciate the opportunity, Sean.