Shaun Newman Podcast - #988 - Wayne Peters

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

Wayne Peters is an independent Canadian journalist, podcaster, and media founder best known as the host and creator of What's Up Canada?, an alternative news and podcast platform launched in 2019 that emphasizes authentic, uncensored journalism and focuses on sharing silenced stories, critiquing mainstream media narratives, and covering topics often overlooked or suppressed in conventional outlets. He gained recognition for his on-the-ground coverage of events like the 2019 Ottawa convoy, discussions on government policies, immigration, pandemic-related legislation such as Bill C-293, and building platforms like Looking Glass Media to support independent voices free from censorship or government influence. Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Tickets to the Mashspiel:https://www.showpass.com/mashspiel/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Prophet River Links:Website: store.prophetriver.com/Email: [e-mail] the code “SNP” on all ordersGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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But, uh, You put it out there, see what happens. Tucker Carlson, Sean Ryan, even Wes Huff. He's in Calgary coming up here in February. So I look at that and I'm like, that would be super cool. Can't seem to get a message through. So we'll keep trying.

You got any options? I'm all ears. Fire me a text. Now, let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is the host of What's Up Canada. I'm talking about Wayne Peters. So buckle up. Here we go.

Welcome to the Sean Numa podcast. Today I'm joined by Wayne Peters. Wayne, great to see you. Yeah, it's been a minute. Seems like we can do this every day and still feel like it's been a while. Well, you know, I was saying before we started, you know, beginning of a new year. You know, we're closing in on the end of January already. I don't know where the time goes.

And there's been a lot going on. But normally I reconvene with Wayne on just seeing where Wayne is at and what we're Wayne's following and tracking and everything else. And I got thinking, I'm like, man, I haven't a wayne on for a while. And we did get to see each other at the Prairie Rising Forum in Regina. So although it's been a while, maybe it hasn't been as long as I, but then again, that was a while back to regardless, Wayne, how's Wayne doing this morning? You know, I'd have to be bigger, richer, freer to be better.

So I mean, I'm pretty much in the same camp as most other Canadians, I think. So, you know, just living the dream just from day to day, just not sure if it's castros mouse stalin's uh you know jeez take your pick i feel like if you were to go clip folks every interview i've done with way he starts out the same way with the same line i it's safe i was thinking you know i just uh carney had his speech yesterday trump had his speech today everybody's at the world economic form and i was like how strange it is that it was you know when i I first started following Wayne, or maybe even if I go back to one of our first conversations, we were talking about the world economic forum. And I was like, what is that? You remember

those days? Like, that wasn't that long ago, was it? We're like, is it even real? And everyone's posting things like, this is a real thing, folks? Is it real? And I remember when Rebel went for, I believe the first time and running around trying to interview everybody. And, you know, it was like, this is a real place. I remember sitting in a meeting during the, you UCP leadership race where Daniel Smith eventually won and that question being asked to different candidates. And remember some candidates, but I don't even think I know what the wef is. I'm like, interesting. You don't know what it is by now? Wayne, I don't know. Maybe I'm just feeling nostalgic because like I'm like Trump literally

had a speech this morning. I watched most of it, watched his Q&A. Your thoughts on like, now every leader is going to the world economic forum. Well, you know, I think back to the time that I've been at this here now. And I got to be honest, Sean, it kind of gives me hope a little bit because I was talking about things like the World Economic Forum, the United Nations. Those were the things that once I discovered them in 2019, I was like, okay, I fired all of my clients and I had to do something. something about this. Those were the things that were setting me off. And for a number of years, I screamed from the mountaintops about these organizations,

these unelected entities that were, you know, literally controlling our government. Then came out the revelation of Klaus Schwab, we have penetrated the cabinet. And people started to wake up. And I'm kind of excited here now. I hate to say it as traumatic as it is. But Mark Carney's antics have kind of made all of those things that we were dismissed for being conspiracy theorists. He's made them all come true here now in recent times.

And now people that would have ordinarily been dismissing us for conspiracy theory are running around scrambling, trying to figure out what the actual conspiracy. accuracy is. And so I, you know, I have hope that there's more people that are interested in things that actually matter with it. And, and I'm sure we'll cover some of this stuff a little bit later on. But, you know, over the course of time, we evolve and doing this as we learn more. And we have to think different. Our lenses change, right? The tints of our lenses change. And this last year, 2025, was a big year for even myself where some of my, understandings and hopes and faiths were shattered. And we're living in a time where reality is being shattered for individuals every single day on a myriad of different points. But that's kind of where we're at. So I'm optimistic.

Over the years of research, I've discovered, and it's my opinion that almost every single metric of human suffering stems and originates from these same unelected foreign entities. And it's time for the world to figure this out if there's any hope for humanity moving forward or,

you know, in my opinion, we all end up kind of like the Borg. What, I'm curious, what in 2025 did you have shattered, Wayne? For me, and I think you've had these gentlemen on as well, but I had the chance with myself and Peter McKayor to interview Michelle Juno Katsui and Gary Clemente.

And through the course of that interview, listening to them articulate the exact time and place where our institutions of law enforcement intelligence were literally, you know, neutered intentionally by the political cartels of the day to see that, you know, progress to where, we're at here now with our nation in the state of our nation. This has been going on for 45 years, you know, that our top offices have been compromised due to foreign interference and of all

flavors of foreign interference. And so when I was listening to those gentlemen articulate, you know, the depth and the level of this, you know, re-engineering of our legal you know our lawful law enforcement systems and intelligence um i would have been building up to a question throughout that you know trying to to wrap my brain around it and when i finally got to my question sean i was like you know how you're always wondering how your guests are going to receive a question especially if it's you know in a in a matter that might be a little bit more sensitive so when i first started with the question, I was like, uh, they aren't going to answer it honestly. Anyway, these are,

you know, high ranking, former high ranking intelligence and police agents. They're not going to answer this if it's too sensitive. And then by the end, by the time I got through the question, I was kind of going, oh, crap, I hope they don't answer this because if they do, then everything that I think has to change. And, um, but I did finish the question. And, and, um, when they both affirmed, you know, with nodding heads and said, you know, that was very well articulated. That was when everything had to change for me, Sean. I could no longer have conversations in the same light. Once this kind of understanding had been achieved and confirmed, this wasn't just my thinking anymore. This had been now confirmed. So the question you're probably wondering that I

asked them was, you know, after listening to them articulate, the decimation of our, of our law enforcement and intelligence agencies, my question was, and this is basically verbatim, because I've asked myself this a thousand times before. So what they were telling me that I was understanding, and I wanted to be corrected if I was wrong, but my understanding was that the entire system, political, law enforcement, military,

our Canada's entire system exists for the sole purpose of providing the plausibility and the plausible deniability, necessary to maintain the continuity of the crime syndicates cartels posing as government for the last 45 years and they said absolutely correct right so you know when i put that into context you know if that is all that they do is serve the revolving door of crime syndicates posing as governance a.k.a. parties, we have no ability, if our intelligence agencies cannot work with law enforcement, because they may have to go into a courtroom, when you add that into, you know, like the little child case, where we have no effective ability to hold any elected official in this country to account, none whatsoever.

That was kind of disturbing to hear, you know, a former senior agent at CESA say, the whole thing exists to maintain the possibility that they need to maintain the cartels. Because we haven't had a free and fair country for way longer than people can actually admit to when you look back to. And most people have heard CESA saying that every one of our prime ministers going back to 1985 has been compromised. How can we consider ourselves a lawful nation with representative election. if that is the case. You see my conundrum. So then what has you hopeful in 2026?

Interesting question. So in having that earth-shattering realization, I've come to the conclusion that the only way for Canada to prevent in 1984 is to pull a 1776. And here we, by that, I mean seating a declaration of independence and sovereign statehoods amongst, you know, whatever this landmass, known as Canada, turns out to be, whether it's in countries or one country where the people can have the opportunity to decide, you know, their own future self-determination, that has me, you know,

inspired and hopeful moving forward in 2026. and you know it's it's not i'm not rooting for any problems to achieve their their sovereignty but i am rooting for the fact that can Canada will have to take a serious honest look in the mirror about what Canada is legitimately lawfully not just morally ethically and ideology those the facts of all of those things they don't align and uh you know i'm not calling for civil war or civil revolution or any of those things. And ultimately, my hope is that Canada could come together and maintain one, you know, super nation out of all of this.

But I don't know if I see that happening. And the reason for that is, you know, I understand completely, I'm in Alberta. You know, to my core, I'm an Albertan. And I understand and support every argument that Alberta is putting forth in its fight for for claiming its own sovereignty, but the thing that concerns me is if any of these provinces achieve this, if or when, then at best, they will only ever be, you know, a Chihuahua state of the United States. We will never have the opportunity to become a world leader, again, as independent, you know, independent, you know, proxy states of, you know, you're allowed to exist

because you do good business with America. And that doesn't mean I'm anti-American either. We would never be able to field an army, for example, that would make an impact on the world stage, right? Everything, you know, our great wealth, resources, people, skills, to assets, those would be split into 10 different, you know, commodities. And each little one will just be that ever, ever again. It's just a little one, a little contributor to the world stage,

where Canada's future opportunity won't be able to be recognized as 10 micro-states like it could be as one, you know, large, you know, large, large nation that we are. I don't like the word never. I guess when I hear never, I think, wait, wait, you know, it's hard to predict where the world would go in a world that we're, if you were to have 10 separate nations. states in Canada and then what would happen in the future. I mean, we know what the global powers would try and do, I think. But never, I don't know, I don't like that word, Wayne. That's the only thing at your thoughts that I picked out. You know, picked on maybe.

How much influence would say Alberta have if it was a state the sides of, you know, Georgia? Like, okay, you got money, but whatever. else you got to bring to the to the world's table like really you know uh you're gonna fill how much how much influences wayne peters had on the the the state of of alberta or canada over his tenure and how big is wayne way's pretty small these days sean i've been removed from x again so i'm down to like two two platforms that uh i i can to publish on anymore. Well, I just, I think some of the largest moves the planet makes in the beginning come

from very small places. I don't mean to say, you know, you don't want to have the size of Canada. Just, I think we over-emphasize the size of a country and the impact it can have. I look at, I look at what El Salvador is doing. And once again, I don't know if it's impacted the world or not. But I look at what Buceli's doing. And I'm like, that's interesting. That's a small country.

It's interesting, the same as if you look at Lithuania, it's interesting. You look at Estonia. It's interesting. Is it moving to dial on the world stage? I don't know. In a small fashion, it is. I don't know. But once again, I don't, I hear exactly what you're saying about the size of Canada and the possibility.

of being a world player. But I also think, I had this idea back in COVID, though. You know what, as quickly as bad ideas spread, I really believe good ideas can spread the same way. And I think of where you started, an impact you had on me. Full stop, I mean, I know that this is different than a country, but media is its own realm. Look at how big CBC is and what they try to be.

And I look at CBC and I go, look at the good they could do. Look at how impactful they could become. And instead, they've deteriorated. And do we want to lose the CBC? Well, I think there's a ton of us now. I're like defund the CBC. Like, full stop. Let's get that out of this.

But there is this nostalgia of what the CBC actually could be if they had independent journalists running around covering all the communities and showing how bad some of these things are getting. Instead, I just don't see that happening anytime soon. If the CBC were a nation, Trump would have coming and taken him in Maduro already. True. Right? And I mean, that's the that's the omnipresent cloud that would hang over every, you know, one of these micro states that would be next door to America, right?

At some point, if you get, you know, if you misbehave bad enough, what is Big Brother going to do? and what is Canada going to do about it? I mean, even at this point, if America wants to do something, can Canada stop America from doing anything? No, it's an illusion that because of our size, we'd be able to stop them. No.

Well, our size and mismanagement, if you go back to post-World War II in 1945, we had the third largest Navy in the world. We were a super intelligence agency, most of the special forces, the military, of the world players were coming to Canada for counsel and advice and support and maintenance without Canada. You know, the war would not have gone in the way that it did. So why, why 80 years

later could we not fight our way out of a wet paper bag and think that we can take on, you know, the big red, white, blue the way that our society is being led to? We don't have those capabilities anymore, right? So we're at this point, Canada's, you know, at this point, Alberta, you know, in this state would have more influence than the whole of Canada does on the world stage, potentially, yes. But as a nation state, if we were healthy, we wouldn't be so easy to be manipulated at any level. So, I know, there's all kinds of arguments about it, you know, there are discussions about it. But some of the discussions that I run into with people, they're not necessarily thinking it all through and out there.

And so this is what I hope to stimulate in people. You know, look in our mirror a little bit. You know, it's not all sunshine and lollipops with giving your own sovereignty either. There's going to be pitfalls that future generations may have to deal with. And, you know, what's it going to look like? I don't know, but I don't see, I, I don't see the individual territories of our, of our, what make up our country now. I don't see them having the capability of having the strength that we could as a nation state that we once were.

Yet. Yet. Okay. Well, I just, I don't know. I feel like there's, there's just, you know, like you go back to world war. What would, what were the military boys say? I want to say World War II and World War I we'll just lump them in together.

Jamie Sinclair always talks about the disproportionate men that came from the West. He talks about Saskatchewan specifically. And you go, okay, so there is the possibility of the West being strong. We just need some leadership, a vision of where you want to go. I think of like you go to ancient times like I mean the Persian Empire ran into Sparta right I mean it's not like Sparta was this country of the can the size of Canada it wasn't it was their nation adopted now do I want to go live in Sparta probably not but I mean they were a fighting force to be reckoned with and I think they proved that well people it took them another 10 years and it took them the of all of their provinces and territories coming back together, you know, within that 10 years to do so. So, you know, is, did the Spartans leave a mark on history? Absolutely.

But did they change their own destiny? No, they really didn't. They got, you know, they got slaughtered. They got beat. They got, you know, martyred. And it took, you know, 10 years. and the rest of the territories to come together to solve the problem. And so, you know, it's a beautiful thing about history, Sean, is no matter what point a person is trying to make,

they can always find a point in history that lends to their, to their, their, well, this is why I don't like the word never, because I'm just like, well, don't say never. I mean, I wear a Spartan helmet. Why? Because I fight in the state, right? That's why I literally brought it up. I'm looking at it. I'm like, you're literally wearing the Spartan helmet. If you're listening, you can't see it. But if you're watching, you can see it.

And I go, the size, okay, this is just grok. Now, rough estimates on the size of Sparta, it's saying roughly 8,000 to 10,000 square kilometers. Okay. Size of Alberta, roughly 661,000 square kilometers. Just for comparison. Just for comparison. right? I mean, uh, I just don't like the word never. I look at it and I go, I don't know. I don't want, like part of, there's always been a part of me, even as I entered into more of these conversations on Alberta independence where I'm like, man, no Canada. What would that world look like? And then, you know, the text line will fill up with people talking about, uh, you know, lots of different things. I don't know what, what comes after that. I actually don't know what comes later this year. I was curious to hear your thoughts. You know, like to me, me, I feel like you're going to have an Alberta petition that reaches the number.

That's what I think. I think the videos I've seen and everything else, everywhere I go, I just hear about it now. In fairness, folks, I live in a little bit of a echo chamber. People want to talk to me about it.

Even, you know, the electrician walked up to me and was questioning me about it yesterday. And he kind of laughed. He's like, I figured you'd be the guy to ask about this. And I kind of laughed. I'm like,

all right. So the conversation's coming to me. Fair enough. But it just seems like it is entered. the societal conversation right now in Alberta. And I feel like that's going to lend to the number being hit. I just feel like there's a bit of an energy around it. I don't know what you think, but that's what I see.

But after that, I mean, like, so if you get to a referendum, what happens? I have no idea. Do you get over 50%? I don't know. But I think that's going to shift how Canada looks at things. That's what I think. What does Wayne think? Wayne thinks that Alberta might have the most passion and energy right now,

but Wayne thinks that either Quebec or Saskatchewan might beat them to the finish line when it comes to the actual achieving of independence. Is it possible? Absolutely. I'm not saying it's not possible. But from the outside looking in, given as many years as I've looked into these kinds of things, I see differences in the different initiatives, right? Between Quebec and Saskatchewan and Alberta.

And one thing that I can't figure out about Alberta is, and this is not meant to be an insult. This is a genuine reflection based on my research is why Albertans continue to believe that they have to ask the pirates to leave the pirate ship, right, to put it very simplistically. And I think about this, I think about this a lot. What sets America apart from the world? They declared their independence and they, you know, they seat, you know, went through constitutional assemblies, had the founding fathers and seated a new government. Up until that point of the Declaration of the Independence, what was the difference between any person on the continent?

We were all recognized by the monarchy exactly the same way. So why, if we want to achieve that same result, why are we deviating from the process that is recognized in trying to shortcut the process or in some cases, or in other cases, why are we asking the prison guards if we can play a game in the prison? That's not how it's going to work. And I come to this conclusion by understanding that, unfortunately, I know lots of lawyers, some of them are great people, but they are sworn to a system that cannot hurt itself, right? So when we are taking the advice of lawyers who have sworn an oath to the prison guard, how can we expect them to understand know or stick to the process that exists outside of the prison

that is the path to the result that you want to achieve? So, I mean, this is, you know, again, not meant to be negative, but, you know, in a simplistic form, I see flaws in what Alberta is doing in their, you know, their approach to it. And they're going to have some learning curves to, you know, throughout this is my expectation, because they're going to run into some walls when they realize that, oh, maybe the lawyers can't, you know, don't fully understand what the other jurisdiction, the one that they need to be thinking and working in. If that jurisdiction doesn't align with the leadership of the movement, they're going to have some adjusting to do, some course corrections to do in their process,

which I think is where Saskatchewan might get the jump on Alberta in the process. And Quebec definitely has a much longer running head start and understanding in the process. They aren't asking anybody, right? Why do all Burtons feel they need to ask permission to dissolve a marriage that doesn't exist? I would, I don't know. A, I don't think it's negative what you just said, a full stop. Wayne, you're way too thoughtful and have been in this realm for way too long. For anyone to hear you and go, well, I don't know, some will probably hear you and go,

tell Wayne to shut out. But I'm like, that's laughable in my opinion. and I respect you way too much. I wonder if it isn't steps to get there. And what I mean by that is, there was a ton of people hanging in their hat that Pierre Pollyev was going to get on it. Right?

He was going to pull us out of this mess, and we had lots of conversations. I know everybody did about whether that was, you know, across the sport. But majority of the population believed he was going to get elected, things were going to start to turn the right way, And they didn't. He doesn't get elected.

Now the shade or the sunglasses are being pulled off, however you want to call it. And people are, uh-oh, okay. And then Carney's, you know, supposedly his popularity is going up. They're seeing Ma and others cross the floor. And I assume here in 26, we're going to have another one cross the floor. They're going to have a majority. And you're just like, you can see regular folks that don't sit and have these conversations

every do, starting to do a little bit of mental math. And the easiest way, and I don't know if I'm right or wrong on this, this is just throwing it at Wayne. The easiest way is to sign a petition and have a referendum because it's the next logical step. And when I look at Quebec and you go, actually, I'm curious on why you think Saskatchew might finish ahead of Alberta, but Quebec makes sense. They've been through this thing for now going on, what?

30 years, maybe a little less, maybe a bit more, wherever you want to position that. They've had their referendum. They know things and you're just watching them. They don't care what anyone thinks. Actually, when I first ran into that, when I first started doing these conversations, Wayne, it's like, these guys are odd.

What are they doing? Why are they even? And now I'm like, oh, this is interesting. They're just a further ahead on this walk than us. That's what I would position on why Albertans believe they have to ask permission first. It's the logical step for the masses that seems the most plausible. I don't know if that's right or not.

Curious of your thoughts. I think it's kind of human nature when you walk the same path to school for five years and all of a sudden you learn that there's a different road. Which roads do you take? You might take the new road for you once or twice, but you kind of go back to what you're comfortable and familiar with. And we have unfortunately, and this comes back to that, you know, reality, shattering understanding.

that I got. And I agree with you, there's these expectations that seem to just fall short, right? And I, instead, I'm asking myself different questions with different realizations. To me, if every single one of our nation's leaders for the past five decades has been compromised, what are we doing except for choosing a different middle management for the Crown's assets? right because you know it's the equivalent of going to to a king's competition and oh the blue team won the joists this this time around so they get to be the asset managers for the crown right so we keep playing this game and make no mistake they don't care they only care that we keep playing

the game right and and you know after having sat down with a federal MP and saying well they don't care they ruled through implied consent right so they don't care literally anything that we say really doesn't matter and it comes back to maintaining the continuity for the crime syndicates posing as government and we get to we continue to keep choosing the red cartel or the blue cartel and wondering why things don't ever change when the entire system is compromised right so for me this is what's so rough for me Sean honestly is because I can't really have a legitimate conversation about politics because the entire thing has been certifiably proven as a giant fraud.

And we continue to imply our consent by asking for permission for things. And we got no business asking for. So it's made me challenging to be relatable and deal with, you know, contemporaries in this space over the last year, particularly. Well, I am. Yes. I've had similar realizations along this path. And it's interesting because, like, obviously, Wayne, like,

people should know this, but if they've never heard of you, and this is the first time ever having heard us in a conversation, what people need to realize is when I first started interviewing doctors, I ran into this guy named Wayne Peters doing it. You were always six months ahead of me. And heck, you might be six years ahead of me now. I have no idea where you sit on the timeline of Sean's slow growth of like interviewing people. But I always admired your willingness to go into these difficult conversations and listen and talk and ask thoughtful questions.

And, you know, there's a lot there. And so one of the things I run into is people such as yourself, you're like, I know the way out. just nobody's ready for it and that frustrates me so what am i going to do like i mean honestly i'm going to watch them go through the growing pains hope they learn the lessons so that we can proceed to the next step the the fear is they go right back to the next generation starting all over again that would be you know when i talked to a ton of specifically alberta separatists who are a lot older than me or a lot older they've been ready for this for like 40 years and i'm like 40 years, really?

And they're like, yeah, we knew way back then. Nobody was ready for it. Nobody even wanted to talk about it. And then we got the reform party and everybody cheered on because here we go. And we saw tons of success and then all of a sudden it just kind of melded it back in and all of a sudden it disappeared. Now we had to wait another decade. And so here it is again.

There's another chance. There's his ability to maybe push it a little further. I don't know where we sit on the timeline of actually getting out of an abusive relationship. but when you bring up asking permission, I chuckle. You know, it's interesting, a few things that you've said there are you, about the timeline of things. And there was a time when I was really frustrated, you know, why don't people know this?

Why don't people get this? Right. And I did find that frustrating. But then I've also come to realize that it's not because of the will of the people. Their mental impact is what makes it so that people don't get it. all of this. And that's a long progression of environmental impacts. We're dealing with society now that is walking around exhibiting more symptoms of trauma than sanity. You know, we've got a society that is, you know, obsessed with survival rather than, you know, the future right now. And there's,

there's a lot of different things that compound that. So we've gotten to a point where we have a society that expects instant gratification. If you talk about something and your phone happens to be within a voice range, you're going to get 50 different options of solutions for anything that you might talk about is going to show up here on your phone. So we have this unrealistic expectation of gratification. Hit a button we're going to get gratified. We're desperate.

We're time poor, all of these things. We just want somebody to fix it, throw enough money at it, to get it fixed. to get it fixed and so we can worry about what we wants to worry about and so this is where we find ourselves in this uh doon loop of satanic lullaby trap that oh just vote harder hit that button harder and we'll fix this um because we're you know we don't have a society that's actually educated and this comes back to one of the other environmental uh factors which are the mercenaries and i use that word intentionally and accurately the mercenaries in what people would or otherwise called the mainstream media like these people are taking uh money from fascist and

unelected entities and the end result is death and mayhem for Canadians if that doesn't define mercenary hired assassins i don't know what does so we have uh you know not not just a society that is traumatized, not just one that is in survival mode, but we have one that has been, you know, completely being deceived for not just 90 years about the true state of the jurisdiction of our nation, not just about that, but down to every last micropoint of data, our country, our fellow people are being misled to extremes. And I'm not, it's not, it's gone to a point. where it's not just the mainstream mercenaries that are responsible for this, Sean. We have normalized the insanity to the point where, you know, we just talked about, you know,

from my perspective, I see this as, you know, there is no such thing as left right. They're all asset managers for the same crown. Yet we are seeing this push, the alternative media, pushing against the fake news, fake media. well, now we have an environment where the fake news and mercenaries, they wouldn't say poo if their mouth was full of it when it comes to the regime that signs their paychecks. And we have the alternative media that won't say poo if their mouth is full of it because the vote harder baby guy

might change things. You know, go harder baby, you know, vote conservatives. So I look around at who is approved in the avatar media space. And if you're not towing one of those party lines, don't believe your lying eyes. You're not allowed in the game. And so I'm not saying that's willful, but this is where we're at,

where both sides that are competing, neither one of them is getting it right. Again, not being critical, just rambling observations of a stubborn northern swamp donkey. You mentioned allowed in the game. I mean, your Twitter or your X, I guess, has been removed again is what you said right off the hop. I assume you're a firm believer, you're not allowed in the game. What else can I think?

I'm not allowed to use YouTube. I'm not allowed to stream to YouTube. I'm not allowed to use X. Facebook is beyond abhorrent to the. the abuse that I get on. How can I think that I'm allowed in the game? I'm not allowed at any of their games. This is where it comes down to. We can still call ourselves a free nation because I have freedom of speech. What I don't have is freedom of reach. They own every road that the information travels on and I'm not allowed on any of the information highways. Right. So I can speak in a cave all I want

and they can say, see, you still have freedom of speech. But you're not allowed to use any of the roads because they don't like the color of your vehicle, basically, for all intents and purposes, right? So, yeah, no, I genuinely believe that I'm not allowed in the game because I counter both of the approved narratives. And isn't that the point of these approving, you know, signing these QI will play by the rules of your drone game

when I say community community standards I do da da da da da da da da da I don't believe in changing my language or the information just so that I could play in the game or be on the field what did you get removed from X4

they didn't tell me do you know they just removed your channel I went to live on a stream a week before Christmas and they said, nope, can't stream to X. And I went and I looked on my X account. And all of my followers and everybody that I followed had been wiped.

And people were getting this account is no longer accessible when they tried to go find my account. I can still see my account. But it's like in a bubble that nobody else can see. And I can't do anything. I can't post anything. I can't go to your account on X and see. what you're posting on X. It's just,

it's kind of weird to be honest with you. When I had my YouTube nuked, they didn't send me anything, but it was the time frame of Chris Barber. And I'm like, the Freedom Convoy, I'm like, it seems pretty self-explanatory to me. When you look back at your ex account,

there's nothing like that that sticks out. You're like, I was talking about whatever. Oh, I didn't say that. I've been very, very vocal and hard on the invasion level immigration and the standards and the impacts of our country, the incompatibility of these invasionary forces with our own ideology, the lack of assimilation. a lot of those kinds of things. I've also been very, very, very hard on the United Nations, the World Economic Forum, the laws and apology.

So at any subject matter, and I hit these subjects hard, Sean. I don't do just, you know, 15-minute puff pieces or dabbling on it. When I go into something, I might do a six-hour show on, you know, extolling the virtues of the religion of peace and its impact on our country. And for example, those are the kinds of things that they just don't approve. Because I'm not, you know, I'm not conjuring stuff up. I'm using readily available information.

I just assemble so much of it that they can't deal with it. And I'm not necessarily suggesting that it's Elon Musk that is doing it. He's doing it on orders of our own regime and our own. government and it's the it's the same same same with across all of all of the platforms and when when Elon Musk says i believe in free speech well that's for americans canadians don't have the expectation or the rights to those kinds of expectations what platforms have you had zero issues with uh what that's a real short list because even rumble has removed one of my videos, which I found interesting.

It was a Project Veritas type of video that had some incredibly damaging captures on the American Teamsters Union and their relations to Canada, Israel unions. I caught the head of the Teamsters Union admitting to crimes in Canada, basically. and that was removed from Rumble. But that's the only intervention that I've had from Rumble. That's about the only one that I have not had an intervention on. And this is why I built my own website with my own streaming capability in my own chat room on my own website because it was the only place that I could actually be sure

that I could publish my work. I should say I have to add in there. That's not entirely accurate. Wimkin has never censored me and neither has YourNews.com. But they're not really social. Wimkin is a social platform. Your News.com is just a publishing outlet, publishing hosts. Have you had issues on substack?

Because I feel like you're on substack as well. You're right. I haven't had anything removed from substack as of yet either. But I don't really, it's one of those kind of, I don't really think of it as a communications platform that's not what you use it for. For me, Substack is when I do a six-hour show, because I do everything live, right? I do all of my shows live. For the biggest reason why I do it live is AI cannot copy me doing lives when I'm doing live

engagements with my chat group and audience, right? So that's, you know, I'm not a fan of AI generated content. I'm live for, and that's one of the big reasons, and they can't duplicate that. So after I've done, you know, covered 25 or 30 different stories, used to be doing a live stream while everybody would be asking, oh, can you give me that link? Can you give me that link? Can you give me that link? No, I'm not interrupting my show of 4,500 times in six hours to give people link. someone in a place where I could provide all of the links.

So if I cover it in a show, it's available in the substack the next day. All of the links, whatever graphics, documents, PDFs I've used that gets published on substack. And they haven't removed anything either. But I don't really think of that as a broadcasting platform. To me, it's more of both distribution than broadcasting. When it comes to broadcasting, that's where I get shut down. I want to go back to a loud in the game because now, I'm curious what you see on my end because I'm, you know, I respect you, Wayne.

I think I've said that enough times today and every time you come on, but I, the allowed in the game thing is an interesting thought process for me because I get a lot of different feedback from a lot of different places. What are your thoughts when you look at the Sean Newman podcast? Am I allowed in the game? How many, do you stream regularly on YouTube? you're on X. If you're on all of those platforms and you're approved,

your content is approved. Obviously, there's a difference in either the content or the delivery, but that you're allowed to be on those platforms and I am not. So I don't think I'm an abusive individual. I'm not never calling for violence. I'm just, you know, I take a, you know, subject matter and look at it through different lenses and um you know i i i call out all sides right and that i think is is is is part of the problem is because i'm if i'm playing one side um then they know that there's a

set of rules to how you play that game from that side and it's the same from you know the other side even if the conservative there's things you do there's things you say and then there's there's stuff you don't And I don't play, I want to do that for, for any of them. And so that makes, I don't know, maybe that puts me in a different list. Is it the subject matter that I dig into? Maybe I dig too deep on some stuff. But at the end of the day, I can only assume that as many times as I've been removed, they do not want my platform out there.

And they will go to great lengths to do so. And that started with the doctor talks in essence. I mean, up until then, I mean, I'd had Antifa take runs, I mean, because they didn't like the covers because I showed their faces on an event where they were being, you know, retards or whatever the case might be. That kind of stuff was pretty normal. They didn't censor me for that. But they started removing my platforms wholesale after the doctor talks,

and that has never stopped, Sean. Well, as a guy who got to witness the doctor talks, they were fantastic. Like, I mean, full stop. I mean, you know, it's why I went, well, I mean, I was already going down that realm, but it lended of like, who the heck is this guy? Who are these people? I still remember texting Danny Hosack and randomly being like, do you know who Wayne Peters is? He was like, yeah, got his number right here.

Like, of course you do. Shout out to Danny, by the way. Your thoughts on the Board of Peace. At this point, I only have, I don't have, you know, very deep thoughts. I've got, you know, my kind of, kind of my initial response, you know, things that make me go, hmm. But at this point, Trump's Board of Peace seems to me like an exercise in exposing people for the crime or criminals that they have. are the people that have been some of the people that have been appointed there is no way out for them there is no safe uh resolution or or statements that they can make because then they would

uh you know belie their actual positions of of things some of the people that have been uh in invited are also some of the creators or represent the creations of said uh you know issues so I mean, you invite Mark Carney, the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, who has arguably done more for funding those terrorist organizations and entities than anybody else. Tony Blair, same thing, right? that's that that's that's that's that's the things that make me go it's an intentional setup for these guys are they going to bite and you know drink the poison Kool-aid for going and taking Trump's appointment that's my are kind of some of my initial

thoughts on on the beginning of that it makes no sense on a surface the only thing that can come out of it is those people to expose themselves for being the heinous swamp creatures that there. And maybe for the audience, because I don't know if I've, you know, I was listening to Carney's speech and then the Q&A and he gets asked specifically about the Board of Peace. So just for the audience, the Board of Peace is a recently established international organization proposed and chaired by U.S. President Donald Trump. It was formally announced in mid-January, 2026, following its proposal in late 2025. Its stated mission, according to the charter, is to serve as international organization that seeks to promote stability, restore dependable and lawful

governance and secure enduring peace in areas affected or threatened by conflict, while initially focused on overseeing the post-seas fire phase in Gaza, including reconstruction, demilitarization, disarming Hamas, and transitional governance after the Israel-Hamas war. It has been described with broader, potentially global scope and recent documents and statements. Essentially, you can get a lifetime membership. If I'm, I think I read this somewhere. Oh yeah,

right here with a three year, he has exclusive authority. That's President Donald Trump over subsidy entities. Membership is by invitation by Trump. With three year renewable terms, a $1 billion contribution secures permanent status. So I think there's more to this than just the shiny wrapping. And I,

I, I kind of connect this back to Trump's speech at the United Nations last speech of the United Nations where he basically you know Cole's notes version of it

called them all hypocrites liars, scammers bullshitters, liars and thieves and said I'm going to build something new and different and you guys will have the opportunity to join me right in essence that was kind of Trump's message to the United Nations

is this Trump's version of rebirthing the international criminal courts? He is developing parallel organizations to every United Nations world, that economic form of forthright entity that's out there. He is rebuilding ally ships to counter all of them. That's what I see happening in the background. The Gulf of Mexico became the Gulf of America at the flip of America. a switch? Do the international courts suddenly become Trump's international courts? Is Davos going to be replaced with a Trumpos event next year? This is what I see happening

is these world leaders are being offered, you know, the other side of the coin, you know, for lack of a better analogy, Trump is kind of showing them the other side of the coin for the first time in the last 80 years and they're probably going to be some takers because, you know, there, some of them might just be, you know, beyond, well, who are we going to choose? China or America? We're making that choice very poorly right now, but other nations might not so much be making that same decision. So I think there's more to this.

I think Carney has said no already anyway. because I think he's realized that if he says yes, well, then there's a fatwa on him. And these are his values. He can't, he can't, he can't say no to them. I guess my final question for you today, Wayne, would be, what is Wayne digging into right now? I tend to be, you know, and it's, it's not something that I consciously thought of. It's just what I've come to realize over the last six, almost seven years now, Sean, going to be rolling up to my seventh anniversary of this year pretty quick.

I'm not a big fan of the I told yourselves, but I will say an awful lot. It's as projected. And so my thing is watching history repeat itself and digging into those kinds of things. And so right now I'm digging. a lot into 26, I think is going to be a pivotal year for humanity on a lot of different levels. Right now this week,

it's a lot of catch-up on Davos because at the end of the day, our mortal selves are paying the checks of the consequences that they dream up in the Avatar universe. We're paying those bills in the prime reality, which is the place where people live and die. And so we've got this confliction between the Avatar universe where you've got people like Kearney out there saying,

we will decide our reality. And there will be 42 genders and that kind of crap versus the reality of, you know, Canada is running the world's, you know, largest human butcher shop and proudly doing so because it will balance their budgets through organ donation and made programs. and yada yada yada yada yada so so so I spent a lot of time digging into this stuff that people don't want to it's too fantastical for them and realizing that it might be too soon for people but at some point down the road I might be the only one saying it now and that's what makes it scary but when more people are talking about it's less scary so if i got to be first so be it um i will take the the punches and i will spit up my chicklets get up and smile a red you know shining grin and say you it like a girl keep it coming um we need to have these conversations like it or not and um you know that's that's kind of where i'm at so it's a lot of davos connecting the dots while the while people are interested uh you know karnie said new world order how what uh you know uh okay well now that you're asking or since you asked

blah blah here you go you're not going to get worn fuzzy blankets you're going to get the kind of true stuff that's probably going to make your knees buckle and i i i have that effect on on people and i'm okay with it uh so right now it's a lot on davos the connections to the United Nations I firmly believe that the what we're seeing here now is the collapse of the second tower of Babel and I'm watching that happen in real time and we are getting a front row seat to it but what I trying to to I guess you get people to understand is this is what you wanted this is what it will set humanity free if you don't want to get crushed by one of the falling boulders of the Tower of Babel get out of the way this is you know how

how to do that it comes back to you know remembering our humanity localism is the only 100% safe and effective cure for globalism find your people find your tribe the tower is coming apart and if you do not want to be stuck in a ubi cbdc digital ID future you are going to have to have to find, you know, places, people, communities, tribes that are not going to be dependent on that food stamp from Walmarts to go in feed your babies, right? So these are kinds of the things that I'm digging into all the time, just providing answers, knowing that people aren't ready, trying really hard not to say, I told you so, instead going, well, exactly as expected. And this is how and this is why and this is what you could do these these you know here's a good

community and i think that might be part of what they don't want uh me sharing out there as well you know because i'm not just about delivering you know reality shattering truths it's you know you have to be there with something for a direction for people to go to as well so i i kind of play both sides of that that coin um in in this little corner of the Avatar verse that I mean. So I don't know if that answers your question or not. Second collapse of the second tower of Babel. What do you mean by that?

Okay. We very loosely use terminologies like catchphrases and taglines that people don't necessarily understand. that. And people often I hear them describe this is this is a war of good versus evil or this is a spiritual war. And when I hear that, it rings incredibly hollow to me because we're slaughtering more babies than we're then then then we're producing. We're killing more of our own citizens as then you know, how can we do? these things, normalized full-term abortion, abortion in general or made in general, all of these, how can we tolerate these things? How can these things be normal, normalized, and we still consider

ourselves as good fighting evil when we're doing none of this, none of it? And to understand, you know to the comparison the whole new world order is exactly what the babylonians were trying to do they were trying to rule the world and they were going to become gods by building a tower up to up to where the gods live and that is in essence exactly what we're seeing duplicated by this new world order fourth rike and and and i say that not you know just to be hyperbolic uh there is no there's no British blood in the British royal family. They're Germans. They're no less Nazi than Hitler was. The Romans were Germans. We were seeing this multiplicity, this repeat of history where literally the Germanic people are trying to conquer the world and we're there again right now. And it ain't

going so well for them. And I think about Putin's address to the United Nations. when he said we would not be a part of the unipolar world. We wanted a multipolar world. Well, do we want many nations or one nation? That new world order, one nation, one world government, one world control. Well, that is the modern day equivalent of literally the Tower of Babel. But this time, you know, they're going to control every living organism on the planet. And I don't think anybody really wants that.

And I think back to when Putin started his first military operation, this is, by the way, none of this is an endorsement for anybody. This is just things that I identify. He said something that the rest of the world dismissed as easily as they say, you know, conspiracy theorist when he said that he wasn't fighting the Ukrainian people. He was fighting the saints and worshippers, the pedophiles and the Nazis. And everybody said, oh, he's just a lunatic. And those things don't even exist. when in fact they actually do exist and they have actually in fact captured our countries for the same you know with the same ideological zealotry so I asked people how many

how many bodies does it take you know a person that steals uh you know five dollars are they a thief or is the person that steals fifty dollars a thief they're both damn thieves well if we were running around, murdering are sick, our vulnerable, our pre-born, are we any different than the Nazis? How many bodies does it take to stack up before you get off the soapbox thinking that you're a righteous first world country?

And I don't see that this new world order system survives what's coming next. Even if Canada wants it, the rest of the world is rejecting it. In a big, big way, we are seeing some of these places that are having a mass reformation back to the Word of God. And why wouldn't they, you know, when you see the results of the fruit of what we're heading into versus, you know, you look at Iran where people are dying by the thousands in the streets to rebuke and reject what is captured. their country since 1979.

And here in Canada, this is what they're fighting to implement and bring in and literally threatened to throw me in jail for life for opposing, forbid me from communicating on the social platforms because sorry ladies, I don't want you wearing

hijabs and burqas and being subject to Sharia law. And sorry, I have an issue with jihad being in the teacher's curriculum as a right. just struggling kids must be taught this stuff now i'm the enemy in my country no no the world doesn't want this even if canadians think that this is the right way i don't believe it for a second um i think that we're we're we're we're kind of uh inside of the the collapsing tower of babble and we can't

see the other walls that are coming apart um around the world right now so that's kind of my you know some of my insights into why i refer to the tower of Baville. In essence, it's the same thing what we're seeing now with the New World Order. And I don't think it's going to be any more successful than the old Tower of Bavill was. And the question is, are we going to stand around and watch it until it lands in our head or, you know, make something better? I don't think the great reset is going to go as Klaus Schwab intended. Wayne, where can people find you now knowing they can't find you on X? They can't find you here.

They can't find you there. where would you direct them to? What's up Canada.org is ground zero. It's the only piece of digital real estate I actually own. Everything that I do or touch can be located through there. You can find me on substack through there, front and center, top of the page. A couple of companies that I work with, some folks that I work with. You find them all there on what's up Canada.org.

Wayne, as always, appreciate you hopping on. It's good to hear from you. Yeah, I'd like to do this, you know, more often these conversations. You know, it's becoming a rarer thing, Sean, for people to be openly okay with admitting that they don't know what they don't know. And just have a conversation about it. This is one, you know, what I, one of the things that I find frustrating. It's so tribal out there. You're either left or you're right or you're the enemy.

And in between there is this stick. middle that is just trying to be recognized for something and you know just finding a bazillion things to fight about instead of finding one thing to have a rational conversation and agree upon so yeah appreciate you well thanks again