Shaun Newman Podcast - Ep. 106 - Yukon Strong

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

DJ Sumanic a.k.a. Yukon Strong is originally from Whitehorse Yukon. He has grown up all his life around hunting & the outdoors. He is a professional hunting guide & runs his own podcast "Yukon Strong" where he has been talking with CPC candidates.   We dive into the current world of politics, gun ownership & the climate debate.  Let me know what you think     Text me! 587-217-8500

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Originally from Whitehorse, Yukon, he comes from a long line of hunters and trappers. Was raised on a trap line where they bred foxes for fur. He traveled parts of the world as a professional Thai boxer. Now he's a professional hunting guide. You can find him on social media as Yukon Strong where he's a hunting wildlife and firearms advocate. Has his own podcast, Yukon Strong, where he's interviewed CPC leader candidates such as Dr. Leslin Lewis and Derek Sloan. I'm talking about DJ

Sumenik. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I have DJ Sumanick. Lots of people follow him as Yukon Strong. Um, First off, I guess, appreciate you hopping on with me and thanks for joining me. Hey, glad to be here. Sean, how are you doing? Yeah, doing real good. You ask how I'm doing. I follow you on Twitter. I know you just had, what was it, triple bypass surgery?

Like, how are you doing? Well, you know, it's good. It was kind of a bit of shock. I've been having some heart troubles now for about, well, I guess a year. last year I had my I had what's called an end stemmy it's a heart attack basically and yeah I didn't know it any better I was out sheep hunting and I just like I wasn't performing like you know usually hiking up the mountain with the pack it's hard right and you're like huffing and puffing and you get up there right and whatever but I just like I was with

my uncle and he is like he's a machine in the matter He's like impossible to keep up how fast he is. And I got to the base camp, like we both sort of knew where we were going. So he just went on his own pace and I went on my own pace. I was about an hour and a half behind him, which I would say was, you know, slow, but not excessively slow. So he just came up. He's like, I heard you coming up, man. He's like, he's like, it's crazy how you don't complain.

He says, he's like, I know how hard you're hurting me. So when I said, well, yeah, it's just mind over matter. You know, you put one step in front of the other. And then I got up there. And the next day, I just kind of felt weak, you know. And then usually by the second or third day, you start getting stronger in the mountains, right? And then you guys, every day, you can go further and further and look for the sheep. And then, like, I just, like, I kind of felt sick.

and I kind of felt tired and then we, by the fourth day, we'd seen all the places there were no sheep there at the time. And we, so we decided to head back down. And on the way down, like, it was brutal, man. I could only walk, like, ten steps at a time. And then I was, like, pretty much on my butt. And it felt like a really tightness in my chest and my neck right here. and then it would just sort of like release and then I could read and everything was fine and then Eventually you know over the course of the day I managed to walk myself out but my uncle's like we got to take your hospital man

Something's wrong and sure enough they check me in and they're like you're getting medevaced So they sent me down to St. Paul's and Had what's called an angiogram they go in there with like a scope and and look for problems in the heart and they found a blockage. I was 90% blocked on. And walked down a bloody mountain. Yeah, that's what I said. Everybody was there.

It was like, where did this happen? Oh, it was sheep hunting? You're like, you're in the mountains. I'm like, yeah, you're so lucky. You could have been dead any minute. And I was like, well, I don't know. It was, it hurt. You know what I mean?

But I never lost consciousness. It's just like it felt like there was. like a thousand pounds on your back. He just couldn't even move. You know, and then so they put in a stent and literally about eight days later I was back in the bush again on another hunt and there's been working on a TV show in the background. There's videos and be literally running up the mountain like not even 10 days later. So last fall my heart was clear. They went in and there was no blockages, everything was fine. But they did notice that it's basically my problem.

It's not really a traditional problem. I have a genetic narrowing right where the main artery comes into my heart and basically stuff will collect there. So even though they put in the stem right above it, another one formed this year. And the last one took 40 years to form. This one formed in six months, so they said, we can't, we have to take drastic action, and they split me open, and they took some veins out of my chest wall and in my leg, and then now I have bypassed all the way around the genetic. It grew flat like a straw, I guess, is what you describe it as.

And now, supposedly it's supposed to feel great, but I'm kind of a hurting unit right now. it's, I feel really tired and, uh, but the doctor said everything's normal. My chest is healing. They put a titanium plate in my chest due now, so it should be stronger. Uh, how long ago is this? Uh, well, it'll be three weeks on Monday now is when this happened. So it'll be uh, uh, hopefully one more week as sort of pseudo, pseudo pain. And then after that'll be kind of up and at them again and getting back at it. And I hope I can. I was supposed to film two episodes for Wild TV this fall.

They still want me to come on one, but I don't know if I can yet, so I haven't promised them. But the first one, there's no way I'm going to be ready for it. I tell you what, sitting here, I'm amazed you're looking as good as you do for all that. Like, DJ, you're not an old guy,

like to have that many issues with your heart and to be i mean you look like a pretty damn fit guy as well well i am i i used to be a professional uh kickboxer i spent a few years out in thailand uh doing that stuff and um i am pretty fit you know i'm definitely not fit like i was back then but you know two years ago i spent according to my GPS when you did a hundred and twenty kilometers in the alpine uh sheep hunting every year I guide bear hunts down in BC and we my father and I are family we we do primarily alpine mountain hunting goat moose sheep and caribou so like we're deep in the bush on foot you know and it's just it's just a genetic thing they said there's nothing I can do like my cholesterol

all that stuff is really good it's just like when I went into the hospital hospital at first. They didn't believe me. I said, I think I might be having a heart attack or something. They're like, yeah, sure, buddy. Are you been taking any cocaine or you on steroids? I was like, no, man. I think I had heart attack. And then they test me that the doctor he came in. He was like, you know how many people come in here telling me they think they had a heart attack? I would have swore up and down and you were lying and said, but you're not going anywhere. We're sending you to Vancouver. And you're a walking dead man. He said, I'm not saying, well, is what it is. But my dad, he's, he's had bypass surgery now.

My grandpa, he passed away when he was 42. Same thing. So it is, it is genetic scent. Yeah, no way around it. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Like, basically now I have to, I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to have to do, but I've just been eating like lettuce and carrots, man. and you have to do some have to do some research on the things you're going to have to do

somewhat differently but i mean some of that is just man that sucks yeah this is what it is everybody's got their problems you know but like this is it's a it's a mechanical problem it's a curable problem so as long as they maintain my fitness and my diet and stuff i can still have a normal life you know other people weren't so lucky they get cancer they get uh you know others terrible diseases that aren't curable. And, you know, when you're spending time in the hospital, you see that. And it's just like, as bad as it is, I feel like I'm kind of a lucky one. You know, they do some pretty amazing stuff.

I just got to go basically through some pain and discomfort here. And then I'll be, in theory, I should have more blood going to my heart by the time this is done. Well, I'm glad you dealt with me harassing you now for the last two weeks with a smile. your face. You know, I know hunting runs, you know, and just listening to you talk there. I stumbled across your moitoy pro career and I was like, man, that's interesting. You know, and then you talk about in your first episode of your podcast and I was like, geez, you could probably spend a ton of time on that and maybe we will here at some point. But, you know, for the listeners who don't know

Yukon strong, don't know a whole lot about you, you grew up in the, you grew up in the Yukon, like you talk about being out back in the bush. I just feel like your definition of being out back in the bush hunting is just different from most of us. And maybe we could just talk a little bit about your upbringing and living up north, like truly up north. Okay. Well, I go okay. Well, I guess, you know, so for starters, I live in Whitehorse. Okay. Whitehorse is the biggest city up here in the Yukon and I would definitely not call that the bush okay like like folks from they that live up in Dawson it's a it's a beautiful little town quite a bit north of us they look down at people at white horse we're like the city people but the truth is is if we go a hundred miles that way out

my backyard there's nobody right okay the Yukon is still a very remote place um and um it is It is, we have had a bit of a population explosion. There's been a lot of government hires that have come up here in the last five years, particularly. And the population's growing a bit more. So it is like a little bit harder to get away now, like most of the places around town, all the people who move here, they want to come see what the wild is like or something. You know what I mean? Every time, I just went up for a drive yesterday to fish light.

excuse me, just to try and get some fresh air. I got asked like three different people. They're like, where do I go over this? Where are I go over that? They're like, lost. I'm thinking, oh my goodness. You know, times are changing around here. But, you know, I was born and raised on the Mayo Road.

It's basically it's the highway that heads north here. and we had a bit of a different upbringing. My father, he was a trapper, so I learned how to trap when I was a kid. And he also, he didn't just trap for fur. We did live trapping for Lynx and Martin and Fisher. So we bred them in captivity for zoos. And that was pretty wild. You know, the lakes are, they're crazy animals.

like you can't even come within, you know, 20 feet. And they're like, ma'am, freaking out, you know, trying to bite you and scratch you. You know, it was, we also, and we also had a fox farm too, that he bred for fur as well, too. But, you know, most of my life as a kid,

basically from the time I was, you know, old enough to walk, I was out hunting, you know, on the trap line, we would be fishing hunting almost every single day, you know, my entire life. And my dad was, he's quite the character. He still is quite the character. He would be, we had a Toyota land cruiser. I can't even tell you how many times we got that thing stuck like literally up to the windshield in a creek or whatever, you know, just going places where we, we hadn't yet to and cutting, you know, the trap line. and running supplies to the cabins, you know, just as a kid, you, you don't appreciate that stuff.

I don't think as much as I do now when I was an owl, you know, I think I got kind of sick with, like, I don't want to go hunting again. But that's why I probably, as I grew up as an adult, I wanted to get out more and see more of the world. but quickly, you know, after 10 or 12 years of traveling and getting around, I, the Yukon is, I think, the best place on the world on the earth. I would never, ever live anywhere else ever again. I'm so blessed to be here. The world is being destroyed in many respects, I think, from civilization and regulation and and all sorts of different factors. And up here, it's still impact. It's still what Canada should be across the country, I think.

And yeah, it's, I think, I think giving me a lot of perspective on a great deal of things. And it's, I think I, like, I have trouble sometimes with, with, when I interact with people, because I expect them to come from a perspective that I have. And most people don't have that perspective, you know, like, people, People will go when they travel, they'll go somewhere, and they'll go and they'll visit like a country, but they'll stay in like a resort or a hotel or something. I'll say, oh, it was nice there. But, you know, I spent quite a few years traveling, like living with people, you know, not living in that sort of isolated bubble of the tourist stuff. And it really changes your perspective on just how poor a lot of the rest of the world is, how lucky we are in Canada, how absolutely

disgusting many countries can be when it comes to civil rights and the environment, you know, as well. And, you know, I'm just, as I'm getting older here, I'm starting to see a lot of these things sort of creep into our country now through the government and I've had enough and that's what started to get me online and try and push back a little bit. I know, I know there's a lot of Canadians out there, at least in my circle, that feel this country is in serious jeopardy right now. And it's not just on a singular front, it's on multiple fronts. And somebody's got to say something. We're all polite Canadians.

We're all, you know, we don't like to get involved in politics and we don't like to, you know, disagree and argue and whatever. but there's people on the other side they are working 24-7 to pretty much eradicate the old Canadian way of life in my opinion and you don't have a choice anymore.

We're in an ideological war and it is starting to become violent as we've seen in 2020. So I hope things turn around here in the next election very soon. You know there's a lot there.

that was a lot um and i like to usually break things down i like to go back and and circle around of things um just on your your your final discussion there about their points about Canada and what's going on in Canada right now i just you know you're a big advocate for for gun owners and i just can't get over the fact like the first thing that ever that slapped me in the face I didn't follow. I'm younger than you. I'm only 34. So,

um, and I left, I left, um, uh, for about eight years and, and was in the states and, and,

and then Finland and kind of all over the place for a little bit. And then I came home. And the first election I ever paid attention to was when Trudeau first got in. And I went, oh, okay. Right. And then last time,

I just, I didn't. I, my brain still can't comprehend it. And I've struggled with that. I feel like a lot of people out west around us, around me, you know,

Lloyd Minster and rural communities have struggled with what's been going on. And I mean, every day on the news, just look at what's going on with all the scandals, the corruption, everything. I'm sitting here going like,

this guy should have already been just let out the door and been done with it. But then, you know, you talk to more and more and more people. And I don't know. I think, you know, 80-some percent, 81.4 percent, to be exact, live in cities. And when it comes to guns specifically, you know, I'll throw it your way. But when it comes specifically to guns and they use the word, you know, assault rifle, things like that, most people in cities have never been out past the park, DJ. And so, they just go yeah you don't need guns right and and and that just becomes another thing that just slowly slides away and if 81% of our population is already living in cities and not doing the

you know aren't living in the Yukon and seeing firsthand why you need such things is there is there a fighting chance that that doesn't just keep sliding well it's interesting to you that you bring bring that up or sorry interesting for me that you bring that up so um for starters I guess what okay so the first thing that we need to address there is this I I would agree a hundred percent that the urban rural divide it's it's not just with firearms it's on a whole myriad of issues right and we could go down that for a very long time. But the key

factors at play, I think here, are that Canadians as a whole are, we're generally good people. Like, I'm pretty right-wing by there, like, there's, I have family members who are NEP, right? And we can all sit down at the table and have

dinner and we, we discuss politics, absolutely. my step sister, she's, she's hyper-intelligent. She's a very, very smart person. And we do not agree on anything whatsoever, basically. Right? But me and her, we get into it sometimes, you know. And I look at it as an opportunity for myself when I engage with her to sharpen my own skills, to see what the other sides of arguments are because she's got answers, right?

She's not like, well, because she'll put up a strong argument. And I think right now, like if we look at the gun issue specifically, the folks in the cities, they look at it as it's coming from a compassionate perspective, right? It's emotionally driven. So they say, oh, well, we see all these people getting shot in the United States. we see gang crime getting out of control. I don't really have a gun. I've never been around a gun. Guns frighten me.

And so no, nobody needs a gun. But the bigger issue at play there is that when a person says, okay, nobody needs a gun, well, that's different, right? Because that's not an issue of compassion. the person there is not actually, I don't think, really has the best interest of anyone but themselves in that moment. They're trying to say, how I think is best, you should be forced to consider that route. So, where does that come from? Okay, where does that mindset come from? And that is the real question.

I personally believe it's due to primarily our media, and I do believe it has Marxist, roots and I know people will say oh you can't call everyone a communist you can't call everyone Marxist you're sounding like a nutjohn well it's it's the bottom line is is if you look at Marxism it it centers around in many cases the assignment of class victimhood and class yield so it's it's right to say okay this person did something bad with the gun he shouldn't have done that we need to punish them but we when you start saying all gun owners are potentially bad people, or you try to say all of a certain class of people are victims, every time you identify a victim, well, there has to be

someone victimizing them. And that's where our division comes from. So at the end of the day, we have to get away from that. And where it's injected into good Canadians' minds, compassionate Canadians' minds, it comes from the media through identity politics. And that is Marxist and I think people they're embracing these ideas without knowing it and they're not thinking about the long-term consequences and ultimately what we're seeing with all these violent protests and stuff these days is eventually innocent people on both sides get hurt the the solution is to punish the bad actor not entire groups of people and it doesn't matter whether it issues firearms free speech whatever we have to remember that there are good people

and bad people on all sides of this country on all sides of political spectrums and by by just taking a broad sweeping brush and just saying you you people are all terrible well what does it does it does it just increases the division increases the possibility of violence and i think it ultimately harms our country and surely with someone like just and treading power it harms our civil liberties now we're seeing you know that Canada has worked well up to this point because our government's been nice. Those days are over. He's going to take advantage of anything and everything he can financially.

And I get what would you call it civil liberties-wise? He's trying to force others to be just like him. And he's using the media and I would argue legal technicalities to do it. So how do we push back against that as a group as gun owners? You know, there's a whole lot of ways that the best way I can take this is that we need more of us. If every single gun owner in this country gets one more person involved in shooting this year, our number is double and we are 10% of the population. That's too largely demographic to mess with in an election.

So if you just go out there and get one new shooter involved, if everybody does that, does that, the story quickly changes. And right now we're getting picked on because we don't have enough numbers compared to the urban population. And we're an easy target. They can use us to change the channel on their scandals. They can use us to quote unquote do something about the game crime. It's just like that. You know, I thought that was probably your best.

video, to be honest, was the one about gang crime. I thought the trend, you know, you bring up marks and you bring up, I think most people, including myself, don't think past their immediate, you know, circle, their bubble, right? So when it comes to guns and crime, if you live in a dangerous neighborhood, the idea seems really smart, or really simple and smart. We just remove the guns will remove the crime and the death and everything else that comes along with it. But what I found very interesting. The nine victims in Nova Scotia who were burned alive. So how that the people who were run over on the streets of Toronto.

You know, it's, it's the problem is the desire to commit murder, the homicidal intent. Until that is addressed, the person is just going to find another way. And that is the really sad truth about it. That is such a complex flag. I don't even know where to go on that one because what makes a person wake up one day and just says, I'm going to kill. Like think about that. Like take a minute and think about going out there and just randomly killing people. It's a horrible thought.

It's a horrible thought. And I suspect in many of the cases with these guys, they pull the trigger on the first one, And it is not like they thought it was going to be. You know, like as a hunter, I understand what it's like to go out and harvest an animal, watch it die. It affects me still. You know, I do it because it's a part of wildlife management. It's a part of, you know, the ecosystem.

This is how we maintain things. But to do it to a person is, it's people don't understand what they're getting into it. And then I'm sure at that point, it's like a psychological, break. Like you just need there's no way out they keep going and then probably wind up dead by the no it's just that is the problem that needs to be addressed. You have to look at what is driving people to do these things and until you resolve that it's not going to matter particularly with sharing the border on with the United States there's no stopping the guns like there is no stopping the guns

the genie is out of the bottle even if we were able to stop every single firearm from the USA people can 3D print you know and metal 3D printing is coming very soon year within the next 10 years it's going to be consumer accessible there's no putting

an end to a person finding a weapon whatever it may be and the people who subscribe to this thought, like you said, it's an easy thought to just, oh, well, if we ban the guns, we'll stop the shooting. Well, it's not going to, it's not going to be possible.

Like, how do you even approach a gun ban, you know, with criminals? Like, how? Like, what would be the first step you take? You're going to kick in their doors, search their house every day? Like, it's just, the solution is that we have. to take away the desire to kill, we have to take away the ability to get away with it. I think is another big one here. We have, you know, multiple, there's many cases where there's multiple offenders that keep coming back for more. They just get, you know, they'll have like

four firearms offenses and then they get let out on bail. You know, I mean, like, how is that even possible? You know, if I was caught with, say, a prohibited firearm in my safe, like, I'd be in serious trouble. Like licensed gun owners, they get the book thrown at them. Like, it's brutal. You know what I mean? But if you're a member of a gang in Toronto, it seems, like, you just have, it's not three strikes you're out. It's like five strikes you're out. And I'm sure the police, they're frustrated because they go through all the work to catch these guys and then the legal system just lets it up again. Like, it's crazy. It's just now we're going to say that, oh, okay, if we take my guns away in the Yukon, that's going to somehow solve the problem in downtown

from it. Like, I don't know. I understand that people have a concern. I understand that people are afraid of firearms because they don't know any better. I understand that they don't get my way of life and other people's way of life. I understand all those things. But at the end of the day, if we're talking about saving lives, nothing that the government it is doing or proposing will have any effect whatsoever right now.

It will not. And it's been proven. Like we had a gun ban made first. How many homicides have occurred since the gun ban? It did nothing. Absolutely nothing. So the solution ultimately is that we have to change, we have to change people's minds on this topic.

And we do that through exposed. them to what kind of people own guns and they're people like me, they're everyday average people who are their neighbors. Like nobody in this country lives on a street without somebody who doesn't want a firearm. Every single person in this country is within range of a firearm right now. And you know, I guess one of the best examples I could say to someone out there in the city who doesn't get it is like, think back to the first time you got your driver's license. You know, you're sitting behind the wheel, your hands would kind of shape you.

Oh, I don't want to hit the gas. I don't want to hit the brake. I don't want to hit the pedal. You know, you're worried about crashing. But with time, with experience, with training and certification, now you're able to whiz by a 4,000 pound piece of metal on the highway at 100 kilometers an hour. You don't even think about it, right? You're normalized to it because you're trained and you have the knowledge to understand

how to operate this piece of equipment safely and you know that the other people near you, they're also certified. They are also trained so you can trust me. And that's the exact same thing it is with gun owners in this country. We go through multiple certifications, we go through multiple tests both written and practical and we get a daily RCUP check. So, you know, there's 2.2 million of us right now, at least if 1% of us were a problem, you're talking 22,000 incidents a day. Where are all these incidents from legal gun owners? I think it was Senator Andre Pratt.

He commissioned stats pandering the C-71 hearings. He said that in total, I think it was 182 or 186, I can't remember. Suspects were legal, murder suspects were legal gun owners over the previous 11 years. So keep in mind that's suspects. That's not actual convictions. And how many? 186, I believe it was total, over 11 years. It was 180 something.

I don't have the exact number, but. A small, small, minute amount. Out of 2.2 million people. And then if you look at the number of homicides over the years, like there's, I think, over 400 homicides annually. Most of them are gang violence related. now. But you know, that's, you're talking less than 20 gun owners a year are suspected of homicide, not convicted, suspected. He didn't even, he didn't release the numbers of how many convictions

there were because I suspect it was so low that it would have been farcical. So how do you explain that kind of a ratio? 2.2 million people, you know, even if it was 500 gun owners, That's still an astronomically small number, right? Which means that our existing laws or existing training regime, it's working. And how do we justify, you know, a federal gun confiscation on that kind of, you know, track record? Like we're like 99.999, you know, all law by, how do you say that we're causing the crime in downtown Toronto? So then what is the nefarious plan they have with doing that? Well, I think the main reason, like, personally, this is my conspiracy theory.

But I don't really think it's that much for conspiracy. If you look at the track record of the Liberal Party candidate since 2015, like, let's take climate change. They go on and on about climate change. every opportunity can't. Like you'll ask them a random question about something else and we'll just start talking about climate change. It's like Trudeau has like a set answer for it. But what did the liberals do?

Well, they said we're going to put in the carbon tax. This is going to fix climate change, right? So they put in this progressive carbon tax. They've been saying this is a price on pollution. This is going to resolve everything. They've blocked pipelines. They've done all these things. But I ask any person out there watching

has climate change in this country been affected in any way, shape, or form? Are there more people on the road driving now or less people on the road driving? You know, we bring in several hundred thousand immigrants a year. Most of them wind up getting vehicles. I would say in order just to break even on our carbon footprint, that many people have to stop driving. If we're going to bring in 300,000 new drivers, we have to stop 300,000 existing drivers.

Otherwise, our footprint. goes on, right? The only thing on our end that stopped vehicles from being on the road was about the middle of April when coronavirus was at its height, there was nobody anywhere. Or when oil price went to negative dollars, nobody was moving anything, right? Exactly. But my point is, they haven't solved climate change. They've had five years, unlimited money.

unless they've had a majority and now is ruined basically, you know, with emergency powers, they haven't solved climate change. And the reason they haven't solved climate change is because if they do, they can't say, vote for us will save you, right? Like that's the idea behind climate change. If we don't do something, the end of the world is going to happen. That's really what it is. So if they solve that, well, now they can't campaign on it.

Same thing for, say, the coronavirus. If they fix the coronavirus, well, they can't campaign one, on vote for us will save you from the coronavirus. If they vote for, or if they, if they solve the gun violence in downtown Toronto, well, they can't say vote for us will save you from guns. That's really all it is. And the proof's kind of in the pudding. Since Trudeau got in power or power, both Ralph Goodale, the initial public safety minister, Bill Blair now, he's been promising. They've been promising $330 million for funding to the Canadian border security as well as police services to combat gang violence. None of it's been deliberate.

They just keep saying, oh, yeah, we're going to do this, we're going to do this, we're going to do this, we're going to do this. But now we're at the point in the middle of a pandemic where Trudeau has basically unlimited spending powers. He could give money to anything he wants now. There is no check or balance whatsoever. They have borrowed, I believe it's half a trillion dollars now during this from the Bank of Canada. And where's the money? He was able to find almost a billion dollars for this wee scandal crap. And he can't even, you know, find, you know, 10 million, 50 million for, you know, Toronto police services to help shut down the gangs.

Like, it's crazy. The only explanation at this point is that it is deliberate, that they want the problem to continue so that they can campaign on it and say, don't vote for the conservatives. They're going to let guns into your neighborhood. Don't vote for the conservatives. They're crazy gunmen. That's all they're trying to do. And once you sort of wake up to that and you start to see this pattern, you see it, it happens on almost every issue.

use the same tactics to garner votes. They want to make people dependent on them for their safety and use emotion to drive Canadians politically, primarily using fear, sympathy, or anger. That seems to be the main tactic, I see. So after all that, and listen to all of it, I go, you know, I've fought with the idea in my brain of like it's just a group of men, women, whatever you want at the top, playing a game of chess

and just kind of moving a piece here and letting it play out and, you know, and like not really addressing the problems because if you did that and solved things, in my mind, I feel like then the world would be a better place and then Canada would be a better place. Instead, they just they keep throwing roadblocks every which way, or at least that's what it feels like. I can't speak for everyone. I can only speak for myself and what I, and what I, and what I, I see. And what I see is just growing and growing and growing frustration, but from both sides, both sides, there's just this divide between everybody, everybody hates everybody, but you've traveled an awful lot. You've been in a lot of places. Are people that ignorant on the other side

as we are over here? It certainly doesn't feel like it. I've talked to enough people, you know, you're in the Yukon. I'm sitting in Alberta, talk to guys in Saskatchewan. I've talked to guys out east. I've talked to guys on the other side of the world now. There's great. You're people all over the place yet here we sit Trudeau's doing what he's doing it feels like I don't know I don't know where we're going with all this and I don't I'm not 100% certain he gets voted out in the next one which is even more like hurts my brain so you're what's your question so you're you're saying do you think other places in the world are being treated how Canadians are right now or what do you exactly I don't quite understand what you're trying to

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't feel that all Canadians are painted with one brush Absolutely not but why why is it then that common sense what you're talking about your video about You know the different guns or even gang violence versus Why why the murder rate goes up right? Why can't that be broadcast out and put out to the public and just be like listen? this is what's going on. This is what the data shows. And if we do this, this and this,

we'll actually eliminate a bunch of the problems. Why wouldn't that be the road to go down? Wouldn't that get the liberals voted back in or the conservatives or whoever is running? Well, the problem is this. Okay. So let's take a perspective. Let's say I'm a hardcore true supporter. in downtown Toronto I've been you know voting liberal my whole life you know that I

believe in in the policies that you know the Liberal Party stands for let's pretend I'm that person and I'm just going along cheering cheering on doing my thing voting for what I can supporting these policies in my own life however I can and then one day I turn on the TV and then Justin Trueh those in blackface. Okay? How do you rationalize that as a liberal voter? You can't.

Okay? You cannot rationalize that. You can't be like, I support Black Lives Matter, but I voted for Justin Trudeau. Those two things are mutually exclusive. So what happens is it becomes easier for people to deny reality than confront the fact that their belief system may be an ideological sham, that they have been duped. But if Andrew Shear or whoever on the conservative side came out tomorrow in Blackface, I feel like I'd be like, well, that guy's a complete and utter idiot,

and I'm not going to vote for him. It doesn't mean I'm not a conservative, though. Because you and I run off logic. They run off emotion. Not always. I shouldn't generalize me. But I the majority of the people that I come across it in my political As political opponents they are emotionally driven. Okay, they feel that by standing up for

Whatever it may be climate change Whatever, it's their little chance to be a bit of a superhero and do good for the world Right now some of them take it too far. They they they get into virtual signal and where it's it's not even really about solving the problem they just want to get likes on their Facebook feed for standing climate initiative and things like that but we I don't even want to go down that road you know no at the end of the day um it's really about looking at what's actually happening happening looking at what you've supported and realizing that you may have made a mistake and

people don't like to admit that they made a mistake and And they supported Trudeau through Blackface, then they made a mistake, period. Like, I've been to many parties in my life, costume parties, how many parties? I've never seen any Canadian citizen in my life ever dressed up in makeup like that. Like, I just, the thought would never occur to me. I dressed up as the Hulk months they painted myself green. And I was thinking, Gene and somebody had paned themselves blue. Yeah, yeah, I seen somebody in a Smurf costume painted blue.

Oh, yeah, smurf, yeah. Right, but that, what he did, you know, it's not just mildly racist, it's overtly racist. He could have just, you know, it could have been an accident, it could have been whatever, but any other person on this planet, okay, like you think about if Donald Trump was caught in blackface. You know, it would be. But with Donald Trump There'd be rights. They'd probably would.

But Trump somehow Would it surprise you if Donald Trump was in blackface all of a sudden? Some of the comments he has and things he does. You know what? I mean, it would surprise me. But I mean, you know what I'm like what I'm saying is he's a guy who likes to live going over the edge lots. I don't know. I'm not a huge.

Like I follow him there. in politics a little bit, I guess, but right now I see far more danger and threat in Canada. I see all the things that Donald Trump's been accused of. Justin Trudeau has been convicted or found guilty of now, pretty much all of them, from from racism to sexual harassment to corruption, okay, to arguably, you know, illegal lobbyist activities interfering with the election in a way, you know. So whatever Donald Trump is to anyone, that's great. You can, you can hang on. At the end of the day, Justin Truro is up to the exact same

the truth he has, and there's proof of it. It's not accusations, it's proof. Well, no, it's been, it's been Shister move after Shister move now for, I don't know, when was SNC Lavelyn? How many, how long ago now is that? Yeah, that's the problem. There's so many scandals. Like I remember like, I think it was like three or four years and I just started a list.

I was like, holy, I can't even keep up with all this crap anymore. And, you know, I have to go back and look at my list now because it's like every day, this happens and this happens. So you forget about this and it's like, what is going on? You know, and I'll tell you what's going on, Sean, is the problem is the fundamental problem is that our country does not have a strong enough legal framework in its foundation. The charter is, it really is kind of a joke in many ways because, yeah, it lays out all these rights and freedoms, but the government has the power to infringe them.

You look at, say, Bill 21 and go back, okay, we're supposed to have a right to religious freedom. Well, the government just said, no, you don't. Okay, so what's going to happen? Now you can fight that in court, you can challenge it in court, and then you can appeal it and go all the way up to the Supreme Court and you can pay a lot of money and eventually maybe kind of Soria,

if one of these Supreme Court justices agrees with how they interpret the charter, you might win and it might establish a precedent. But that's the country we live in now. It's a seize and infringe first, let the court sort it out later situation. And gun owners across this country know that more than anyone else. And people will realize,

realize that until we change that dynamic, like we have to have some sort of a constitution or amendment to our existing charter or something that forces our government to uphold the rights of the citizens. Right now they don't. It's open to judicial interpretation and that means it's subject to the biases of those who read it. And that's why every government, everyone's worried, right it's like oh god the liberals got in okay well okay the liberals got in now what are they going to do they're going to try and ban guns and they're like oh the conservants got and what if they try and ban abortion what if you know everybody is worried about losing their own rights so they become comfortable with the idea of trampling on the rights of

others and that's not Canadian that's not the candidate that I grew up in and the only way to fix that is that we have to ensure everybody's way of life life is solid, that this is never going to happen, that Trudeau can't just write an OIC and screw over every gun owner in the country without a vote. It's absurd. It's absurd. It's absolutely absurd. I will agree that that is absolutely absurd when one guy can have the ability to do that. Yeah. So at the end of the day, particularly with guns, it's turning into a proper rights issue. It's not really a gun rights issue. If the government can seize, you know, firearms from Canadians, they can seize your bank account, they can seize your home, they can

seize your vehicle. And people say, oh, they would never do that, really, because I'm reading articles online right now about how trucks are mean and scary looking and they use too much gas and stuff. I guarantee you that the liberals are going to do some sort of crap like that, saying these types of trucks aren't allowed anymore. And they're going to say, do it under the guys of the environment and blah, blah, blah. And it's just like, meanwhile, trails flying around the country with two jets. You know, like, it's really that simple.

Yeah, it's hypocritical. Exactly. It's rules for you, but not for me. And, you know, sure, the environment is an important thing. We all got to take care of this world. We all got to do our part. But none of the people I know pushing for these extreme environmental measures are living, by these rules in their real life.

Maybe some of them here and there, but most of them I see they drive to the protest. They're all wearing plastic fibers. They all got smartphones shipped here from China that are made with metal and glass that have been lined with heavy machinery and delivered and smelted using fossil fuels, period. So if all those people started, you know,

following what they believed, it would actually probably have an amount. environmental impact, but they don't. They want to just blame everyone else. It's about, like I said earlier, it's about weaponizing the issue rather than solving it. They want to create a vision and shut down their political opponents to maintain power rather than actually solve the issue. When I'm taking out of this entire conversation, I feel like most human beings are just simple folk. We want to go to work. We want to make some money. You, you know, you want to spend it on a truck, I want to spend it on a car, maybe I want to take the bus, maybe I'm going to do this.

But as a government, if we addressed, as a government, if we address some of the big issues, if climate change is truly, because I mean, that's, you know, it's been muddled so many times. It used to be global warming. Now it's climate change. Nobody seems to know one way or another if there's anything there or not. But if it truly was, they should be working on the solution, not just say we're going to stop everyone from driving and cut out oil. Because I, last time I checked I like living in a heated house where I live. I mean, we get nice cold winters for about eight months of the year. And that is a stretch, but you get the idea.

And if they're going to give us, if they're going to just say these things got to disappear, well, you've got to have a plan. And the problem I have with the government and the problem I have with leadership right now is I feel like there is no plan. And that is like probably more unnerving than anything is the fact that it doesn't feel like there's a plan unless it's a nefarious one. Well, well, if you want to talk, like if we look at climate, I think my opinions on climate would surprise a lot of people because, you know, I've been into Bush hunting my entire life. Okay.

And in the alpine, and specifically, once you get north of 60 here, you see the effects of climate change. Okay. Occurring, right? Period. So what are the effects? Yeah. I'd love to hear. Okay, so here's an example. So, all right, when I was in grade 10,

we went on a class school trip to, I believe it was Juneau. There's a glacier. It's called Mendenhall Glacier. And we all got in the school bus, and we all went out there and it was quite a drive. And me and my buddies, we were cooped up in the bus. So as soon as we got there, the glacier was there. We all ran out the thing.

We started climbing up on a glacier. Did you like, get down real night glitter. You know, I got in trouble, right? Because it's like right where it falls into the ocean, you know. And legitimately, probably dangerous. Excuse me. But, you know, it was right there. There was kind of just like a little turnaround.

He could go and look at me. Everybody used to go take pictures and stuff. I went there to visit my buddy. I guess it would have been four years ago now. and he's like he's one of these like hardcore prepper guys right like he's got his own biodiesel factory makes his own ammunition makes his own firearms like he's preparing for the end of the world this day he's a he's a really nice guy and he's a talk and um you know I'm like well why don't we go out and see the glacier it took me for a guy he's about one of those fast cars where it was

dodge uh challenger or charger or whatever so we went out for a rip to uh to uh see the glacier and we went there and I was like where's the glacier he's like we got to the end of the road and he he's like well it's down there and I was like you kidding me that's the glacier and it's like this huge flood lane there's like you know some sort of tiny little baby trees starting to grow like it's receded so far now you can't even see it without an auditors like I would show you know what I mean and the other thing is too it's like where where we'll shoot on you know places that we used to camp when we're kids like the Yukon it's actually considered a desert we get very little precipitation here you know you know compared to

to the mean so when you're in the mountains like finding waters everything you're always you're living off dehydrated foods you need water to make the meals and you're hiking you're sweating it's it's often very hot in summer and like literally water is there with If you run out of water, you're going to be hunts over. So we generally, you camp near a snow pack where there's snow still melting or a creek or whatever. And a lot of places that we used to go and set up and hunt you, you can't camp there anymore because the water is either completely gone or it's just, it's not consistent. It'll be a trickle water one day and then the next day there'll be nothing and then the next day it'll be kind of muddy. you know what I mean so what I can say to you is this is 100% there's been a

warming pattern in the north here absolutely since like when I was a kid you know minus 50 minus 40 was the norm every winter now not this last previous winter it was quite cold but other than that in the last 10 years it's been pretty mild and I'm sure there's a whole bunch of climate activists going up there. Yes, even he believes in it. But here's the thing. How do we tell now how this is being caused, right? Is it from carbon dioxide? I don't know. I'm not a scientist. You know, I know the mountain that overlooks Whitehorse here in the Yukon. It used to be a coral reef. You know what I mean? You could like the changes that used to happen, the entire Yukon, it used to be a

a tropical forest, right? They dig up the fossils and stuff here all the time. Like these patterns have happened for millions of years. I can't say 100% for sure if it's man-made. And people will say, well, just look at the data. Okay, I've done that. I go and I look at the data. And you know what I see when I go and I look at the data?

It's hyper biased, politically motivated, politically charged, emotional, bulk. you can fill it in the end of that. Bullshit? Yeah, exactly. And it's almost the exact same tactics and the exact same discussions and the exact same fights that happen around the gun debate. It's the same crap,

and it's the same manipulation. And if we go and we look at, again, the track record of Justin Trudeau and the Rivals on climate change. They're not solving this problem. All the people that believe in this stuff, that live in cities, they just look this up online. I'm out there in the mountains, guys,

I know what is actually happening. I'm seeing the permafrost melting and things change it. So I know what's real and not. You're just like reading about it online and engaging in political battles. But what are you doing in your real life? You're still driving to work.

You're still ordering crap off Amazon. Nobody's complaining about all the deliveries to the front. order during the COVID crisis right now. How convenient is that? The amount of fossil fuel is going to get expended to order their, I don't know, new iPhone case. You know what I mean? So then they come at you and they say, oh, you're a conservative, you're a science denier, you're a climate denier. We're going to vote for Justin Trudeau because he believes in science and he's going to save us from climate change. No, he's not.

He's weaponizing the issue and you don't even know it. You're being emotionally, manipulated into fighting for him while continuing to consume and pollute and destroy the planet. Meanwhile, I'm up here like, whatever, guys, it's all just a bunch of BS. Nothing is going to change until every single person in their own life makes it a priority. And is it, again, is it even manmade? Is it even caused by us? I don't know. I don't have the ability to definitively say that for sure.

And, you know, it's definitely, as far as wildlife, I can, there's been changes, you know, like, for instance, polar bears, they're starting to breed with brisly bears up north now. They're coming on to shores, but the polar bear numbers, they're going up. Like, my, my close, close friend, she's on the management board for, for, to monitor this stuff. Out in the, in Alaska, they're saying that the numbers are down, but here in Canada, the numbers are going up. the polar bears are doing quite well, surprisingly. A lot of the scientists are scratching their head at why, but that just tells me because they don't know. They don't know what they're talking about. They don't know.

It's all just a guess, right? They think that things should be the same forever, but they're not. That's the nature of the world, the nature of things. It changes, right? It's actually an interesting contrast, because if you look at conservatives, politically, socially, and economically, we don't want things to change. We want things

to be stable and good and strong and prosperous for everyone, whereas the other side, the political left, they want to try and always change. They're always trying to make things better. And like, guys, Canada is like 99% good. Making a change is, the odds are it's going to be a change for the worse. But then you look at the environment, while now the liberals, they're trying to make it so it's like frozen, like it's going to be just like this forever and never change. which is it's an impossible goal it's an impossible task and none of them are practicing what they preach so they lose me with that right there I have nothing I have no time or or ability to hear your argument about any of this stuff until you

stop driving your car like it's just really that simple like you you have to practice what you preach or you are just a hypocrite and nothing that comes out in your mouth is ever going to make any sense it's rules for me but not for you and you're not examining, you know, the destruction that you're doing in your own life. It's really interesting. That might have been the most interesting part of this entire sit down. And what I find fascinating about it is you're seeing it firsthand. But in my brain I went, I try and listen at all times, try and quiet the inner thought.

But my inner thought went, yeah, the farmers talk about it around here all the time. right like you go through life cycles or cycles in the the weather patterns and and things like that and dry spells and even as a kid i can remember how dry it got in the 90s and then it's come back different and now the water's back and and uh you know it to think one person out there just has the answer is probably telling all of ourselves a lie right and 99.9% of people are only worried about what's right around them and their comfortability in life. In Canada, like you say, is arguably the best place to live on the planet. But when things went rough, all the, you know, let's save the world, let's stop doing this,

let's get rid of XYZ, well then you're right, the Amazon truck started rolling by and everybody was happy about that. And then restaurants were closed, but you had skipped the dishes and everything came in plastic cases on top of plastic on top of plastic. And where does all that stuff come come? Ban straws, though. But ban straws. That's right.

So that's what I mean. It's ultimately, like, if you're not a person who's involved with any given subject directly, you know, all you can do is you go off by the media that you're fed through websites and mainstream media. And right now, those sources, they are. purely 100% 24-7 politically motivated. The CVC does not publish an article or a news segment that does not have some form of emotional manipulation attached to it. They want to make you feel something, right? They want to make you feel afraid. They want to make you feel sympathetic.

They want to make you feel outraged, angry, whatever. Word choice. I was laughing before I came on here because the government, I didn't know what it meant. And if I don't know what it means, there's probably a lot of people that don't know what it means. It was pro-rog. Pro-rog. Pro-ro-ro-ro-ro-Roe. And I went, what the hell is that, right?

If it had been a different government, they would have said they disbanded the, right? They would have used some term that emitted emotion right away instead of confusion, right? And so I get what you're saying. I think, you know, I don't, it's kind of my journey, talking all different people from different walks of life, a lot of sports on here, but a lot of different people from a lot of different walks of life. And the one thing I think that people all can do immediately that listen to this or listen to your podcast, everybody's got a smartphone.

You can look, just because they feed you some piece of information, doesn't mean you can't fact check, doesn't mean you can't go down the same rabbit holes you've talked about. If you're worried about the environment, go take a look. Maybe start seeing for your own eyes. Because just to read a tweet or see a little minute video isn't exactly always factual. And you don't know what the motivation is for a lot of it. Well, okay, a couple of things there. So first things that people out there want to see a prime example of this type of manipulation that I'm talking about.

As you can recall when Justin Trudeau took over, first took over party meeting back in 2015, late 2015. They said the conservators say, yeah, we finally got the budget under control. We left you a mild surplus. And they denied it, denied it said they were lying. There were national news articles saying that it was baloney and that this is not the case. But if you go, you can look it up on the Finance Canada website. there was in fact a 1.8 billion surplus left of them. And then, just to further nail that message home,

Bartis Chartered Liberal MP in one of her live debates during the run up to the last election, she admitted during the debate that there was in fact a surplus left to them. Okay, so they spent four years denying that. that the media helped try to deny that. And why did they do that? Because they want to, it's all about power over ethics. They want to maintain power.

They want to make it seem like they're the heroes. And that by supporting them, you're just a little miniature hero. And that you're on the side of the good and your political opponents are in, they're the enemy, right? It's just one more source of the division. But those facts are 100% verifiable. And if they lied about something so small, like, who cares if there was a $2 billion surplus? What does it matter? What, like in the scope of things, what does it matter whether the conservatives left Justin Trudeau or not?

If they're willing to lie and have people in the media go through that extent, just to cover up that tiny, insignificant detail, what else are they willing to do? And we're seeing now time and time again that the current government, okay, is, they're engaging in this 24-7, okay? And, you know, the reality is, well, I don't know. Like I went to University of Victoria. I took software engineering there. and excuse me, sorry, I'm starting around out of gas here.

You know, I can, I know what university was like when I was there. Okay? And, you know, we were taught not to inject bias into our essays. You know, if we put bias in our essays,

we got marks taken on, right? On our reports and stuff. And, And, you know, most of my classes that I took were math-based, of course, which is really just kind of cut and dry, it's right or wrong. But I think nowadays the opposite is happening. I think students are being encouraged to inject biased. They're being encouraged to develop narratives and encouraged to develop followings to have

a greater effect on change. And these people, they wind up seeking jobs in government and in media. And we're seeing the effects in real time. Like, that's why there's so much emotion injected into the news now. And probably there's also a financial aspect, right? Because controversy sells. And most of the mainstream, which they can't survive now without government funding. So they got to stir up the pot in order to get people to click and get the ad.

revenue coming and that's not always going to happen if you if you just tell the truth, you know, but I do think now more than ever there's a hunger from Canadians out there for the truth. I think if I was the leader of the Conservative Party, if I was formulating a strategy for the next next election, I would attack Justin Trudeau savagely on blackface, on groping. I would remind every Canadian exactly what this person is, exactly what. what he's done exactly, what he's lied about. And in debates, force him to answer, say, how do you think Rose Knight felt when you inappropriately touched her?

How do you think she felt? How do you think, you know, a person feels when they see you in blackface? How do you think our country feels about you representing our people? wearing blackface, you know, ask them these questions repeatedly over and over. And people will get sick of it, but he'll, he'll be forced to confront his own BS. And that's the problem. The media is, they just let him, they get away with everything. He's, he's isolated 24-7. And that's what the people, like I said, in the cities, they just get fed this. All they can go off is by what they see.

And if they don't see that, they see, oh, how happy he is and how wonderful he is and how good he's doing and all the nice messages he's putting out there. But what he says and what he does is two different things. And, like, we're headed for serious trouble now with this money situation. Like, our dollar's going to tank here at some point when inflation hits. I'm personally predicting right now that by the time Trudeau leaves our deficit is going to be between $1.6 and $2 trillion. That's what I think.

I think that's a really high number compared to where we are right now. But, you know, if you look at what just happened with Mornow yesterday, he was, they were arguing about the spending. And you have to ask yourself, what kind of a number frightens a far-left socialist liberal finance minister? How big does that number have to be before he says, Whoa, whoa, whoa, guys. That's too much money and starts fighting with Justin Trudeau over it.

And, like, that is, that's really the frightening thing. Blacklock's reporter, I think, said that over the last 120 days, we've borrowed just over $500 billion now. Where's all that money gone? Do we have, you know, better roads, more hospitals? Now, most of its vast majority has gone into Serb, which, understand people needed some help and stuff, but, you know, we could have just shut down the border. Canada could have shut down the border completely, no one in or out, and said,

okay, if you want to come to Canada, you have to submit to a COVID test, and you have to stay at a facility. And you also have to pay for that COVID test, by the way. And if you're on, if you're unwilling to do that, then you don't get to come to our country. If we'd have done that right at the beginning, none of this would have happened. Their economy could have kept running, full steam ahead. We wouldn't have any shutdowns. We wouldn't have to borrow any money. We could have found where the virus got in, contained it.

It just needed some more aggressive measures taken. And what did Trinodo? He was worried about the racial, racial implications of things. Remember that? Oh, we can't stop flights from China. That would be racist. Well, no. It's a pandemic.

Like, it's a freaking virus. And then he quickly realized, I don't have a minority and everybody's arguing with me and I'm probably not going to get to do what I want. So why don't we just fan the flames of this situation a little further and then I can shut down Parliament and just rule via OIC from my couch. And that's what he's been doing ever since. And I suspect that the pandemic is going to drive on for at least another year. He's going to milk this for as long as humanly possible because the minute he lets it go, lets it go. Everyone in Parliament is going to jump on him.

It's going to be a minority government and the only way through it will be an election. And right now, I think, would be a good time for an election for the Conservatives, like in two or three months. I think we could probably win, but who knows what happens in eight months. The rumor is he's going to be pushing massive environmental initiatives. So I think he's going to really go after oil and try and completely end the oil economy in Canada and replace it with some sort of green, expensive BS. That's not going to work. That's not going to, it's going to cost billions of dollars and, you know, temporarily sustain the economy.

But it'll all be done through lending and not a long-term solution to our economic problems. We need to get our resource sector going. And until that happens, Canada is going to suffer. Well, I think that's what we'll leave it. You've given me more time than I thought you were going to give me. I think your heart's doing pretty good myself. Had nothing to do but sit here and think, man. It's rough.

Well, you've got my brain turning. And that probably means at some point I'm going to have to get you to sit down again. You know, when I invited you on, I really, really wanted to talk about a couple other things. I really wanted to talk about you hunting and parts of that. You know, you have different things you put on on social media that I find really. fascinating but this has been a an eye-opening hour for me and I hope people listening enjoyed it. I hope they got to learn a couple things. I hope they go do some research too. I mean, that's the next step for me is to go back and crack the books all over again and do some digging.

But I've really, and saying that, DJ, I've really enjoyed you coming on. I'm glad you accepted. I'm glad you came on and talked and I hope you feel better soon and are back out on the open trail soon enough. you will be. Yeah, you know, I suspect most people will just be tuning into Netflix after this, but that's the way of the world, right? Yeah, if you want to talk more about the hunting stuff and whatever we can, but I'm working on sort of my own little series in the background here that I'm going to share that world with everybody. And it's really unfortunate. This heart thing sort of happened at the time it did because we had major hunting plans stuff for this fall. They all just went out the window now because I just can't go, right?

Like it's going to be two months before I can think about it. We're going to maybe try for some late, excuse me, stuff here in October, depending on how I feel. But I had a whole season of Yukon Strong planned just hunting, being in the the wilderness, talking to different people about wildlife management and all sorts of stuff. I still want to complete it, but it's probably going to be a whole year delayed now because of this is going to have to wait for next hunting season now to get all the content. So, yeah, in the future, that whole story is definitely going to come out, and it's a family

story, and it's going to be a lot less political for sure than this. position. It's going to be. I always I always say I planned a little bit of this but I didn't plan you don't plan for the rabbit hole. The rabbit hole takes a hold of you on podcasts and when you when you get your your series up and running if nothing else you can come on to talk about it and discuss it and promote it and pull people that way too. Absolutely. It's great great to meet you Sean and I hope things out Saskatchewan are good. I went to,

did you say you were from Lloyd Minster? Yeah, correct. I had a long, long time ago, long time, but you said a girlfriend in Lloydminster. She was, she was a nice gal.

I went up there a couple of times. I was going to say probably one of the prettiest girls out west. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And you have another good buddy in Regina too. It's pretty funny.

We used to, we had a little contracting business way back in the day. calling if you're out there how's it going but I haven't seen me in a while but uh those are the days cool man well get get better feel better and we'll stay in touch and i do appreciate you coming on sure thanks man hey folks thanks again for joining us today if you just stumble on the show and like what you hear please click subscribe remember every monday and wednesday a new guest will be sitting down to share their story the sean newman podcast is available for

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